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throughout time. Great thinkers have recognized the importance of the thoughts we have quotes like garbage in, garbage out, or you are what you think ring true. And yet for many of us, our thoughts don't strengthen or empower us. We tend toward negativity, self pity, jealousy, or fear. We see what we don't have. Instead, of what we do. We think things that hold us back and dampen our spirit.

But it's not just about thinking. Our actions matter. It takes conscious, consistent and creative effort to make a life worth living. This podcast is about how other people keep themselves moving in the right direction, how they feed their good wolf. Thanks for joining us. Our guest on this episode is whim Hoff, a touch extreme athlete noted for

his ability to withstand freezing temperatures. Whim has set world records for swimming under ice and prolonged full body contact with ice, and still holds the record for a barefoot half marathon on ice and snow. He attributes these feeds to the technique outlined in his book, The whim Hoff Method. Hi whim Welcome to the show. Thank you, Thank you for having me. It is a pleasure to have you on. We're going to discuss your book called the whim Hoff Method,

Activate your full human potential. But we will do that in a moment after we start, Like we always do, we'll start with the parable. There's a grandfather who's talking with his grandson. He says, in life, there are two wolves in side of us that are always at battle. One is a good wolf, which represents things like kindness and bravery and love, and the other is a bad wolf,

which represents things like greed and hatred and fear. And the grandson stops and he thinks about it for a second, and he looks up at his grandfather and he says, well, grandfather, which one wins? And the grandfather says, the one you feed. So I'd like to start off by asking you what that parable means to you in your life and in the work that you do. The one you feed is

gonna grow. That is amazing. That is amazing. So right now I'm doing a research with the top researchers on the d n A how to tap into our gene expressions into that what fundamentally makes us being alive, being healthy, being happy, being strong. That's what we all want. We all want love. That's not boy, but because of our genetical past, the genetics, and of the circumstances in the world like survival and having to work every day getting it into the stress, we feed without intention into the

bad wolf. We all want the good wolf. We all want to we all are friends from our childhood with the wolf of love given and feed it by our mother, our father, our family. We all wanted. But then we are also influenced by the genetical past and our circumstances right here, right now, And there are some mysterious forces in the world which are feeding into the bad Wolf, which are not thing necessarily into the happiness, into the strength and the health of the people, but into greet

into money making schemes, into power. And that has no sensitivity because if you love others, you equal the power, you equal the energy, you equal the money. You divide it and you share. So the bad Wolf is not necessarily a think within us. It's more the reality where we live in and our genetical past. And there I've been looking to it because when I was twelve years I got into that. I got into that a what I see in the world. They abuse, the wars, they're cruelty,

two animals. The way the people treat each other, that is not good. And I'm not gonna submit my life to that reality. I'm going to do something against it. So it was the bad wolf that woke up the good wolf consciously, consciously I began to work on it. And now forty eight years later, no fifty years later, I am changing the signs as a drop out of school, I'm changing science. I went into nature. I had the hardships of life. I lost my first wife in a suicide,

which was also not elected by choice. It overcame it's a terror, but nobody could do something against it. Then I said to myself again, I will go on until I win of depression, of disease, of helplessness, and feel the freedom and power within us. And once we have a way to tap into our potential, we are able to choose happiness, strength, health, and nobody will not do that. Nobody will not choose that if he has only the control over his mind and body. And I'm into that.

So that's my answer to this parable is yes, they are both there, but the good all wolf is gone away. And this time we do it consciously and we bring on the love and we make it accessible like this podcast does. Too many more people showing them through the science, starting out with a choice inside who do you want to win? The good or the bad wolf, the love or the hatreds? Who do you want to win? If you take on that consciously, you are going to win. The love is going to win. And that's the way

I see it. I love it. That is a great way for us to start off. And I love that idea that the bad wolf woke the good wolf up and inspired him. The bad wolf inspires the good wolf. Nobody's quite put it that way before. And I love that idea because I've been thinking about this a lot lately, because a lot of people are looking out at the world and we're seeing so much bad, and that's all that we are focused on. And I just think it's so important to say, well, what is the bad? Tell

me about what I value? I see these things as bad? Why? Oh, because it tells me that I value love, I value goodness, I value justice, I value fairness. So then how do I bring more of that into the world? Exactly? And because of this me telling long time ago already, because I got acquainted by finding answers in feeling, not in books, but in nature. I went into the cold. I sacrificed so much of my body and my mind to go and endure cold that I overcame the bad wolf the cold.

I overcame the cold within myself, bringing heat while being in the cold, While being in in the cold, feeling comfortable, being able to bring love and understanding and deep connection within myself while being in distressful negativity. The freezing cold, and the freezing cold taught me. It taught me. It's my teacher, like bad wolf is my teacher. If you overcome the cold, you overcome stress. If you go overcome stress, then you overcome what is coursed by the bad wolf

that he wants to stress you. It stresses you, and you have to teach by it. To be taught by it and not flee from it. You have to go to it. You got a power from your good wolf to overcome the bad wolf. The bad wolf is not even necessarily a bad wolf. It's a teacher, and the teacher is merciless. The teacher is a righteous It shows you how to be and who and what you are. Say not what you think, but what you are for real, and that reality you can overcome. That reality exists in

all the world. We see its happening every day. But do you see and feel what is happening within you and overcoming it? Because every day you have the chance to overcome it. I wake up every day, I'm gonna away. I'm away a man, I'm gonna feel great. I'm gonna send so much love to the world, to my trees, to the garden, to everybody who passes by, and how I'm doing science. I'm doing science right now to show beyond speculation, that we have a connection within at will,

able to control and to make happen. That what we thought of, what's not possible because the bad move. The teachers say, yeah, it's not possible. It's not possible. Only this is possible. You have to learn about this. No, that's the illusion, and the illusion and us isn't battle

to be overcome. Let's take our of the illusion being overcome by the clarity of your being, and that is feeling, that feeling of love, that is freed of thoughts and doubts, that is self confident, that stands like a rock, that radiates like the sun. That is the way I stand up every day, rise out of my bad. Now. Question about you. When you were younger, you're obviously very fired up, You're full of life, You're gonna win. Did you always have that indomitable spirit or did you develop that as

part of your method? Did you always have this sort of natural fire? No, I did not have that always. But when I decided to take on the bad wolf, to do the teaching, to do the think that is being taught within me, my life's lessons, my ship. When that aim to me and knocked on my door, saying, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna follow me like a sheep? Or are you the good wolf that is able to overcome the bad wolf? And I said, amen, I'm leading the flock inside myself. I am the leader.

I am the shepherd. I take care, I make a sure protection is there, and I wander through the fields of life. I will make the change happening. And it began when I was twelve years and from there something starts from within. If first it is little, but it becomes stronger. Neurologically it becomes stronger, and then it is able to be connected with your will, and then you are able to decide what is happening every day with the contemporary energies, the way it influenced upon you, and

that I found the cold. The cold became the bad wolf, the negativity, the freezing cold. Instead of comfort, I chose discomfort. I chose to battle the wolf through intuition and instinct, directly I face to face, and I found this is the way. The doorway to my inner power to be controlled at will. And this is like forty four years ago, and now I tell you I'm changing the signs fundamentally

through every research I am doing. I'm a drop out of school, but I know how the wolf, the bad wolf, causes disease, causes depression instead of us being able at will to cause happiness, strength and health to happen every day. I found it. I tamed the bad wolf. Now I got two good wolves. It's a pack. It's a pack of wolves, and we bring unjustice to its knees because

they are face within one man. We are able to make the chains happening because the bad wolf, the bad hemisphere, the bad things that are happening right now, they should be stopped. Somebody needs to break the chain, and that's what we do. Okay. I want to get into the whim Hoff method what it actually is in a moment, but before I do that, I want to set the stage. You've set some of it for us, But in essence, a big part of your work is about using stress

stressors on our system to make us stronger. I was actually watching a little bit of a webinar that you participated in with Melissa Apple out of University of California. She's been on our show before, and the webinar was about using the right amount of stress, hormatic stress, hormetic stress to help us grow. So your method, and you say early in your book, you say that in the absence of environmental stress, the things we have built to

make our lives easier have actually made us weaker. But what if we could reawaken the dormant physiological processes that made our ancestors so strong. So your method at its heart is about bringing stressors into our lives, being less comfortable so that we awaken this indomitable strength and resilience that you're talking about. Yes, absolutely, the difference between us and our ancestors is that we have a lot more neurology going inside of our skull. Had the brain. It's

a lot more now. That is because the human brain has evolved is logical, and we make iPhones and the fifty years ago the capacity of the iPhone now it's like ten times more in capacity than the Apollo project altogether, the Commanders Center, the u Ston, the Cape Canaveral, the rocket itself, the people communicating from space to each other.

That now is ten times more in our iPhones. Our iPhones is the fruit of our mind, and it reflects what is going on in our mind at least ten times more in neurology than what happened in the prehistorics in the brain of our ancestors. But then that's great, that's technology. I think, wow, technology amazing, a miracle of

the human mind. Amazing. We should use it. Well. What happened is the blood flow in the human brain is more than in the rest of the brain than in the mammalian brain, the limbic system and the reptilian brain. The brain stamp and thus it's more un a stamped by those parts of the brain. That part of the brain. The healing happens that part of the brain dangerous being confronted with through adrenaline, through dopamine, serotonin and orphans, cannabinoids, opioid.

Now we have a society with the opioid crisis, with depression, without immune diseases, with cancer, and we don't know what to do with it. While we have all the answers and the capacity to battle that only if we bring the blood flow into the olympic system, into the brain stem. And I'm showing that in science. In two thousand fourteen, I showed in science, together with a group of people being taught in four days how to defy a bacteria injected, which was not being able to be shown by people

to be done in university hospital settings. In research injected with the bacteria, all the sixteen thousand people became sick with the same experimental model they began with me. I did not become sick. And then I said, yeah, I'm not special, light a special I will show you give me a group of people. And then I showed a group of people within a couple of days being able to defy the bacteria injected. The bacteria the virus only came when we began to flock together when sanity was

not good. When we are anated from nature is when all these diseases, plagues, pandemics, etc. They all came, and we alienated while going into cities and all from our natural harmonious interaction with nature, with the wind, with the rain, with the cold, with the heat, with the danger. And then the blood flow went more into trading, thinking overthinking, and then those areas of the brain built up a deficit. They were more on standby than flourishing than developing neurologically.

So right now what I'm showing is technology, great human brain, marvelous, it's miraculous what there is achieved. But stand still where we came from. Stand still where we came from, because it's all inside our brain, in in our reptilian brain, into the feeling of the limbic system, which is feeling pure feeling emotion. And then the brain stamp is survival. When you are sick, the brain stamps able. Because I'm showing this insigns is able to interact on the batter

on inflammation. Inflammation is the cause and effect of any disease. And we have great mechanisms inside our brain connected to the immune cells to invigorate the immune cells to do the right thing what it needs to happen. But because it isn't standby tiercent less blood flow because of our human brain swallowing up all the blood flow, the neurology, the neurological traffic isn't thinking thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, and not into survival. This danger or is gone. We

live in comfort zone behavior. Thus we got alienated and done. When something is understands still, it is like water understand still bacteria are able to grow, Viruses are able to grow back salts, depressions, inflammation is able to grow. It's all logic. Let me tell you, we have all the innate capacity to deal with whatever disease there is going on.

And this sounds all great, And that's why I go to science and then with Elissa Epel, who is a professor into the DNA, into the genes, we go to the building blocks of life and we show that true hormatic stressful exercising, which everybody is able to do, we are able to bring back our innate capacities to our conscious will. There we are. Let's talk a little bit about the method itself, because the method itself is very simple.

What you're describing is very profound, right. I found something in a paper that was written recently that said, our results provide compelling evidence for the primacy of the brain, the central nervous system, rather than the body in mediating the iceman that's you, responses to cold exposure. They suggest the compelling possibility that the whim Hall method might allow practitioners to develop higher levels of control over key components

of the autonomic system, with implications for lifestyle interventions. That might ameliorate multiple clinical syndromes. So it's very profound, right, But let's talk about the method itself. It consists of three main things. One is exposure to cold, the other is conscious breathing, and then the last is the power of the mind. So I thought, what we could do with our remaining time is just walk through those three elements somewhat quickly, give people a basic idea of them.

So let's first talk about cold exposure. Maybe tell us about how you discovered cold exposure. And then, more practically, for those of us who are not going to be submersing ourselves under frozen lakes, what do we do? Where do we start with? This? Guy say, always a cold shower a day keeps the doctor away. And even the doctor is doing it because now it has been shown that the cold is very effective in training the vascular

system the cardiovascular system. And the cardiovascular system contains millions of little muscles. It's about seventy thousand miles long in each and every one of us. But we always dressed in clothes. We are destimulating all the tonus of those little muscles, primitive muscles around the arteries, the veins, and the capillaries seventy thousand miles millions of little muscles. If you take a cold shower, then those little muscles are stimulated.

Then they help the blood flow a lot better through the system to reach the cells. With that nutrients, vitamins and oxygen, the vital energy gets better to our cells. We get a lot more energy, that is just because of the cold shower. And then the heart rate goes down with beats a minute because all those little muscles help the blood flow, so the pumping is a lot less. That means stress is out of the body. Accelerated heart

rate is equal to stress. It's dangerous and it shows because a killer number one in our society is still cardiovascular related diseases. And it is not only about the death rate of that annually, but it's also about the quality of life because a lot of people live in a lot of stress and less energy. Now, if you take the cold shower, you bring the vascular system to its natural condition and then you get a lot more

energy out of it and a lot less stress. I say a cold shower a day keeps the doctor away. And when I began to do this when I was seventeen forty four, years ago, I felt attracted after being debating philosophy and kepting into esoteric disciplines and philosophies and religions and all the chatter box was really are trying to find the meaning of life. And then one day I saw the cold water, thin layer eyes. I went in just by feeling God feeling, and I felt the

meaning of life. The meaning of life is deep connection within ourselves, and it's there. It's not out there religious books, it's not out there in big travels and all. It's right here right now. Take the damned good old cold shower and you will find life instantly. And then, because do we that going into the cold gave me such a rush inside like natural drugs, I found out after doing it regularly that I could make a chance of my chemistry, of my strength inside the cold, icy cold water,

which is not talking. It is an experience that talks to you. And then you feel, hey, if I breathe deep actually, and then I'm making myself stronger against the aggressive impact of the stressful, cold, icy cold water. And that's what I did. I began to do deep breathing. And it's also the first thing you do when you're going to the cold water. Naturally you go into deep breathing, and we became shallow breeders all in the world. While the breathing, deep breathing is able to change the deep

chemistry of ours, our biochemistry, the adrenaline. And then I began to separate that deep breathing and doing it at home, and then I saw all the beautiful things in my mind. I could stay for minutes without breathing, And now I'm teaching that how to trick or to trick the brainstand, how to trick the olympic system, how to alter your mood, how to activate your immune system just by breathing. Part of the quantum physics now show that we are able

to go from matter into anti matter and back. That's entanglement, and we can do that with our mind. But it's future sides. Okay. I got into the breathing, and that breathing showed in two thousand fourteen thing techniques being able to define bacteria that means activate the immune system, and which is the topic right now. How to suppress the innate immune system, the overactive immune system. Covid A virus

does that. We showed how to bring it down and it should be investigated better because we got the scientific evidence for that. They should take that on. It's not me, it's science. There's no speculation about it. We are able to bring down the damaging factor of COVID ninety or any other virus and bacteria. We showed that in two thousand forty scientific papers, in the Proceedings of National Academy of Science, the Best of Papers, and in Nature. So

it's there. It's not mine anymore. It's in the university books. It changed fundamentally what we are able through just breathing techniques. We are able to tap into the autonomic nervous system. Thought of impossible, now it's possible. It's there. We did it. We did our all work, We did the signs. We are just showing it to the people, and through this it gets out. I want to go back to cold showers for a second. Then I want to come back and hit the breathing a little bit, so cold showers.

I've been taking like a thirty second cold shower at the end of my showers for years now. Um, and I am not quite superhuman yet, so is my issue. I need to be doing it longer, build up to longer and longer times. Is that really where the power comes from? And what point do you want to get to? How long? And then my other question is it seems like in a lot of parts of the US, particularly in the summer months, the cold shower isn't that cold. It seems like the groundwater gets kind of I mean,

it's not warm, but it's not icy. Yeah yeah, And uh so it is not icy here as well in the summer, absolutely not. And I did that for say thirty years, just because I had no money to buy ice cubes all the time, so I just did when the winter was coming slowly but surely the temperature of the water goes down to freezing temperatures. That move is enough to be followed and have a great cardiovascular fitness

workout every year. This is what I learned once I had to do a world record in September, and that was preceded by the months August, July, June, and May, which is not freezing at all. It's very hot and very warm. So I was concerned, can I do that world record without any training possible? And I found out in September, front of television and millions of people. I did that. It was a great record because I used the power of my mind which I had learned over

the years being in distressful situations. You learned to deal with the stress neurologically. Because you consciously go to the cold water every day in the winter, you developed neurology that is connected to the stress mechanisms inside the brain. It's only logic, and that in the summer you're able to do something which you only do in the winter. No, you are confronted by the stress and you make use of the neurological connection with your stress mechanisms learned by

going into the cold before. It was a great record. It was flawlessly done. It was amazing. I was so flabbercast at myself. This is the way I found out what is the power of the mind. Then it only started and then with the psychiatrists professors in Detroit in Michigan, in brain scans, I showed cold water coming to my skin and just because I was thinking I don't want my skin temperature going down, the stress mechanisms then made an answer and this and the cold water was not

making my skin temperature going down. The model of it all is it's not only about the cold it is about connecting with the stress mechanisms to deal with stress in any shape. That's the way we are naturally built. And now we are able with our neurology modern neurology insight to make the connections with the deep brainstand with the limbic system from the side of the developed human brain. We forgot about these parts and now we can go back and I found the way, and this is the

way to successfully battle depression and inflammation. It's amazing and amazingly simple. I appreciate what you just said there, which was basically, if you trained during the winter months, you'll retain that capability in the months where the showers not as cold. How long would somebody who's doing this want to get up to as an average daily cold shower two minutes? Three minutes? Do you have a recommendation you go naturally begin with thirty seconds, and then naturally you

built up the condition of your vescular system. That means that you feel without force, that you are able to go longer. And then if you are able to go for two three minutes, then you're ready for anything. Okay, wonderful. Now let's talk about breathing, because breathing sounds like it should be pretty complicated if we're gonna make these amazing things happen, But your breathing is not complicated. Describe what

the breathing protocol is in the whim Off method. First of all, very simple and very strong, effective and very accessible. So here and that that's for the person who thinks are but I cannot do it? Anybody can do this. Anybody. You can stop right now or after this podcast when you when you see bit just do this. And we have a free up on our website which will guide you and provide you with everything you need to know

to get it done. Excellent. We'll put links in the show notes to that good that the following deep breathing. What is deep breathing? Use your belly, use your chest because the lungs are connected to the belly muscles and and the chest. The diet fragon and you feel belly up fully, the chest and letting go fully in letting go. So it doesn't have to be slow. It just has to be deep, yes, because you're not taking a long,

slow breath. You're taking a relatively quick deep breath there, yes, Jeff, And if you want to take it slow, it's all all right. The thing is do thirty times. There is no real protocol, but go deep, take your full lungs in, and then let it go fully in, letting go, not fully out, but fool in. And there you let go fully in, letting go, fooling in, letting go, And that we do thirty times. Forty times you feel tingling, you

can't feel lightheadedness. It's all all right, it's all described in the free app And then the last one you do fully in, you let go and you stop. You stop after the excelation. Amazing, amazing how long you can stay without breathing and without force after the excelation number one one minute or one a half minute without air in the lungs, I mean, with little air in the lungs after the letting go stop retention one minute, one a half minute. Now, that is because we alkhalized the body.

We blew off the carbon dioxide. Yeah, that what makes us acidic is being blown off. Then the alkalinity of arises, pH rises, and then you are able after the excelation, with a little bit of air in your lungs stop. You're able to stay one one a half minute easy, without force, without breathing. Now, your pH is just right on nice, great, but your oxygen after a minute goes dramad tcklee down in the system while you not feel any urge to breathe. And then the brainstamp, the danger

of survival suddenly is fully on. The adrenal access activated and you feel kind of i it's an amazing way to trick the deepest part of your brain to awaken to be activated robustly. Then the circus begins. Then the lights begin and it's great. You feel light, you feel high on your own supply, and you are dealing with the brain stamp, with the Olympic system, with the reptilian, the survival. And then when you feel the urge to

breathe again, you take a breath fully in. You all that and you squeeze to your head five seconds to bring the cerebral spinal do it to the head, and that means that there's a lot of oxygen coming in, a lot of our clinity. With the cerebral spinal fluid goes into the deepest part of the brain. Then it becomes more alive and it connects all to your will, and it's amazing. It's so simple and it's sensational when you experience it by yourself. That's why I always say

feeling is understanding. So a couple of rounds and you will find out. You will do it one a half minute, two minutes, two and a half minutes, three minutes without air in the lock. Can you imagine that is directly aromatic stress in the deepest. If there is any stress, the strongest, it is the breath. If we cannot breathe anymore,

it is the strongest. And our reptilian brain now has been activated through manipulating the biochemistry, and with that the survival of our being, that is breathing in and breathing out. And we are able to alter the biochemistry consciously with the human brain, then stop it because the pH levels are just right, and then hold it in a position where no animal does this because they don't know how to do because they have no human brain. That's only us.

And we are able to stop this reptilian mode of survival. We are able to trigger it through the breathing by

stopping it, changing the biochemistry and manipulating it. And then suddenly the limbic system and the brain stem are going to start beginning at our will and when do you need it when you have inflammation, when do you need it where you have depression, And we are then able to bring in the healing powers of those areas, the cannabinoids, that dopomins, the serotonants, the adrenaline, their opioids, they are

all there. And it's amazing how simple it is. And this should be told to the general public because nobody is stupid, but we are stupefied. And now it's time to awaken to our true power, the way we're born with, and that is with the ability to control our brain, not sixteen, but hundred. And we have shown this in brain scans how to do that. We have shown in Germany in brain scans, how to activate consciously hundred percent of the neural activity in the brain. And this is

all new, of course, and quite incredible. But this is more logical than having a lump of meat that is our brain with eighty four without our control. So it's time that we wake up to our deeper potential and learn to deal with inflammation, depression, be happy, be strong, and be healthy and pass it on to our kids

and to ourselves. Excellent. So I have a quick question about in essence we're saying by triggering this response in the limbic and brain stem that we wake those parts of the brain up and we bring them back online. My question is one of the things that we know that people who deal with a lot of emotional stress anxiety, right, is that their limbic system seems to be over activated.

So describe me the difference between what you're doing and what what we would consider a psychological stressor why is one we work it in it alivens us and the other causes us problems. Yeah. Yeah, this is the innate immune system at work. Depression in general creates over activity in our brain. That's inflammation. That is the innate immune system.

And in two thousand fourteen we have shown how to quiet to suppress the innate immune system, to suppress the over active immune system, which is the course of depression, which is the course of rematriit arthritis, of Crown's disease, of all the outer immune diseases. That is, when stress deregulates our immune system, then the immune system doesn't know what is going on and begins to give us fever over activity, and we did not know how to bring

that down. That was the general paradigm in science medical science. We cannot because it's part of the autonomic servous system. We cannot bring that down. And that in two thousand fourteen we clearly have shown to bring down that over activity that causes the immune system decidok in storm the inflammation.

How to bring it down in a quarter of our all of them after sixteen people who could not subtly twelve people quote both there is and that it sounds incredible, but it is incredible what we have in our potential. And it's incredible how accessible it is, and it's incredible how simple it is, and it's incredible how powerful it is. I will potential and this is what I want to bring to the people, the self confidence back in people that they are able to regulate their own mood and

their own disease, making it at ease again. Excellent, Well, wim, thank you so much for taking the time to come on. I really enjoyed reading your book, and I really enjoyed this conversation. And I am looking forward to uh increasing my cold showers from my standard thirty seconds a day to three minutes over time. It's good, it's good, it's really good. Yeah, Well, thank you so much. I really do appreciate your time. Right on, Eric, great time, good work,

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