Rich Roll and Julie Piatt

or fear. We see what we don't have instead of what we do. We think things that hold us back and dampen our spirit. But it's not just about thinking. Our actions matter. It takes conscious, consistent, and creative effort to make a life worth living. This podcast is about how other people keep themselves moving in the right direction, how they feed their good Wolfe thanks for joining us. Our guest or shall I say guests today are Rich

Role and Julie Piatt. This episode is a landmark for The One You Feed because it's not only the first time a guest has appeared on the podcast for a second time, but also the first time that we have interviewed two guests at once. If you don't already know Rich role from his books, podcast or his career as a vegan altar endurance athlete, you might remember him from his appearance on The One You Feed episode number seventeen.

Joining Rich on this episode is Julie Piatt. Julie is an artist, musician, chef, and co writer of the beautiful new book The Plant Power Way. Here's the interview. Hi, Rich, High, Julie, Welcome to the show. Hey Eric, thanks for having us. Yeah, thanks so much for having us. Great to talk to you again. You are our first time second guest, Rich, so you are the first one who's ever made it back. Oh I'm I'm touched and deeply honored. Thank you. And we have your wife Julie with us this time also,

which is great. And we're going to talk about your new book here shortly. But first let's start off like we always do with the parable, and uh, this time I'm gonna let Julie give her interpretation of it. So there is an old parable of the two Wolves where there's a grandfather who's talking with his grandson and he says, in life, there are two wolves inside of us that

are always at battle. One is a good wolf, which represents things like kindness and bravery and love, and the other is a bad wolf, which represents things like greed and hatred and fear. And the grandson stops, he thinks about it for a second. He looks up at his grandfather and he says, well, grandfather, which one wins? And the grandfather says, the one you feed. So I'd like to start off by asking you, Julie, what that parable means to you in your life and in the work

that you do. Well, wow, that's beautiful. Um. What the parable means to me is that what you put your attention on is what grows uh and what informs your experience. Um. And even more than that is that as co creators and as um you know divine beings that came into a body. I believe that we are spiritual beings having a human experience, that we in fact even have the power to shape our experience through the lens or perspective

that we choose to adopt around any dark or light experience. Excellent, And maybe you guys could spend a minute. I know you've got a new book either depending on exactly when we release this will either just be about to come out or we'll have just been released. Why don't this is a book that you guys wrote together. It's a beautiful, beautiful book. I got a copy of it and it looks great. Maybe give the listeners just a brief overview of what the book is about and what your goals

were with it. Yeah. Absolutely. So. About three years ago I wrote my first book, which was called Finding Ultra, and that was kind of my my memoir. It was an inspirational kind of story, and interlaced in that was all kinds of nutritional information that's been kind of transformational for me. And what happened was a lot of people read that book and they were inspired and said, you know, I want to I want to do something like you. I'm ready to go, but what do I eat? Right?

And So although I provided all this nutritional information, I didn't give specific guidance um as to you know, recipes, etcetera. So it was kind of an obvious next book to put together, a cookbook. Um But it's been an interesting process and trying to put together something that that I

feel like had never been done before. Because when Julie and I kind of perused what was available and looked at all the books, you know, all the vegan cookbooks, plant based cookbooks, healthy eating, paleo cookbooks that you will find at your local bar As and Nobles. There's certainly

no shortage of amazing, beautiful and informative books. Um, And I thought, well, I don't want to just do a book because it seems like it's the next thing we're supposed to do unless we can really figure out a way to contribute to the conversation in a meaningful way.

And what I noticed was that there didn't really seem to be anything out there that was providing guidance for just the typical modern American family who's just looking to eat healthier, be better and help their kids more importantly or as importantly, you know, learn healthier lifestyle tools to

make better choices. And so this book kind of was born out of the idea of trying to create a welcome mat um and a mouthpiece to really kind of invite people in who you know, are not necessarily vegan or don't even necessarily know that that's what they want to do into, you know, the world in which we live, which is healthy, vibrating, you know, plant based foods close to their natural state. And so the book is, um,

you know, it's very much a cookbook. It's got a hundred and twenty plus delicious, easy to prepare plant based recipes that you know will fuel my athletic pursuits and and basically seated the desires of our children and the more carnivorous of our friends. But at the same time, I would say about half of it is lifestyle guide.

You know, it's packed with tools and resources and and opinion pieces, basically everything that you need to know to kind of transition into a healthier, more sustainable way of living and being excellent. Well, it has been a little over a year since we had you on the show

the first time, Rich and Um. At that time, I made a commitment to eat plant powered for thirty days how to go Well, I did it for thirty days, and then I continued, and I have to say that it's a little over a year later, I don't eat a hundred sent plant based, but I bet it's ninety five plus. Um. I've not gone back to eating any meat. UM. I have the occasional dairy or butter is pretty much I would say the extent of it beyond that, it's pretty much been all all whole food based, or at

least all plant based. I have a weakness towards like kind energy bars or that sort of thing, which I know were not great, but boy they're convenient and easy. Yeah it's it could be worse. Um, that's impressive. Yeah, that's I didn't realize that that you were so on board. That's really amazing. Yeah, it's been. Um, it's been pretty pretty transformational in just overall health. It certainly makes it easier to make good decisions for me when there's pretty clear,

laid out, laid out rules. I just did again recently, I did another thirty days where I was a percent committed to only whole plant based foods, and and I do well on that plane in because I do good without ambiguity. Um, when I'm like, well, i'll probably eat mostly better, I tend to, uh only mostly improve. Because you're trying to feed two wolves. That's exactly right, and that that that bad wolf is a hungry character sometimes, So what is your experience bad? You know, I certainly

lost some weight. I mean I don't I'm not certainly wasn't really overweight, but I lost weight and I think the biggest experience is that when I eat, I just don't feel bad after I eat. I never really have the experience of unless I you know, I've I think I've had pizza like twice in that that time period. Afterwards I was like, oh man, after I got done eating. So I think that's been the biggest for me, is that I just I don't have that after eating sense

of tiredness or feeling too full or feeling lousy. Um, that's been a big one. UM. I think it's hard for me to know. Energy wise, I tend to be I'm kind of on the go a lot. I do a lot, so my energy level tends to be pretty consistently high. UM. But it certainly has um it seems to have leveled out those periods where it's not so much. So I've obviously I'm still doing it, so I really like it. Yeah that's great. Yeah, so thank you for

the inspiration to try it. Chris has been vegetarian longer than that, and I remember when he became vegetarian, I was like, I don't know about that, um. And so when I started this, I was like, well, I'm just

gonna do it. But it was you know, one of the things that I did as part of that thirty days was I was like, well, I should probably learn more about food and where it comes from and all that is a way to support me, which absolutely did that because it pretty much, um changed my relationship to food forever. Watching things like Food Inc. And some of those different things really made me see the world totally different.

And then you a lot of the stuff that that you've continued to do has been very important in supporting me on that on that eating plan. Too super cool to hear. So you guys wrote a book together, and so what I'm interested in is how that experience has been. You guys working together on creating a book, and I'm

curious about, um, how it goes in general. But I'm also curious if you guys are willing to be a little bit more open about There's got to be challenges that come up in that process and how do you guys handle those? Yeah, I mean I think it's it's been a it's been a very interesting journey, uh, and it's been cool. I mean when I wrote Finding Ultra, I just you know, locked myself up and uh in a closet and kind of banged it out. You know, I worked with an editor, but it was very much

kind of a singular, solo experience. And this book is very different. Um. You know, whereas my my book was my story, this book is our family story. And so our our whole family has participated in in the creation of this book. And and you know, there's a lot

of cooks in the kitchen. We have photographers and graphic artists, and I was collaborating with my wife, and so it was a team approach and you know it's been, uh, it's been I think that that has raised the bar on the quality of what we're able to put out

because we have so much talent. That's that that this book is infused with, um, you know, and for me, it was it was an evolution of learning to looting, learning to let go, trying not to be a control freak about certain things, and you know, to let everybody excel at what they're most talented. And you know, I certainly wasn't going to be in the kitchen telling Julie, you know, how to create these amazing uh you know, artistic recipes and dishes that she has conceived. I mean,

that's her, that's her thing. You know, so we we divided up the work and then we would meet and get together try to figure out, you know, always pushing the envelope on how we could make it better and better and better. Yeah. I mean for me, it's like, you know, uh, really the creation of the book was just a natural, authentic extension of how we live our lives.

And it really came about when Rich was training for the beginning Ultraman races, and he was doing these insane amount of hours, you know, training out for you know, eight hour bike rides and you know, running forty miles you know as a training run in this these type of things. And uh, what I realized is that I didn't really understand what he was doing because as his wife and his partner, he would just leave, go out the door, and the door would shut, and then eight

hours later he would come back through that door. But I had no context for what he had done in those eight hours. And you know, I usually would hand him a child and I'd say, okay, your turn. I'm out, Like I'm going to go, you know, play some music

or go practice sugar. It's my turn now, right, And one day he said to me, you know, do you you you understand, I just ran a marathon, like he said it to me, as I was handing him a child, and and I stopped for a minute, and I realized I had no idea that that's what he had done. And I thought, you know, this guy is really committed to this, and and I could really support him. I could really be supportive to him if I really tried to feed him. And so I then embarked on this

kind of creative process. I'm an artist, musician, you know. I I use whatever medium is in front of me to express myself creatively. And so I turned to the kitchen and I started just creating these recipes with the intention of nourishing him, replenishing his you know, reserve, so that he could get up and go out and train the following day. So, after you know, a period of time, I had a collection of recipes which ended up being you know, an online book that we did originally called

Gi Seed, which is forty four recipes. But then eventually, you know, we wanted to do a full coffee table book. Um. And so I'm very very um, you know, I feel very blessed that every single recipe in this book is one of my recipes. It's a recipe that I developed in the kitchen with my family, and they are recipes that we eat on a rotating basis. So it's very authentic in its presentation, and um, that is uh. I think that's a very very uh, you know, powerful and

transformational place to come from. Yeah, it seems very authentic in that way. And I have to say that my plant powered eating life would be far improved by having you in my life making these delicious look at things that are in here. That's why that is for sure. Well, what I hope is that you'll cook out of the book and you'll you know, get some techniques because the other thing that is really amazing about my recipes is that they are incredibly simple and easy to prepare. I

am a very busy person. I'm a mom of four. I'm also an artist. I'm you know, recording music and painting and eating. And I don't have you know, hours and hours and hours, you know, I'm not. I'm not, you know, spending my entire Sunday planning my weekly meal plans. So I think you'll find if you flip through this book, with the exception of some you know, a few recipes, that are in there. Most of the recipes can be prepared in under thirty minutes, and they're extremely tasty and easy.

And I really believe that anyone, even if you're not a chef or you're not a cook, you could, uh you could master a lot of these recipes and really have a transformation in your life. Yeah, they look like they would be within my my reach of cooking ability for sure. I'm sure they are certain that they are. Yes. So early in the book, at one point you talk about that you guys embarked on this this transformational journey. Um, I think it sounds like, Julie, you've been involved in

in thinking about transformation. Maybe a little bit longer, but as a as a group you really started in and it said, it's been about eight years, and you say that during that time you had some unimaginable highs matched by countless low lows. And I would be curious what are some of the lows that you guys have found as you've gone through this process? Oh wow, Well, I

mean where to even begin with that? You know, I think people that are familiar on a surface level, you know, with my story and parts of our story as a family, Uh, there's a tendency to kind of project, you know, this idea that well he could go out and do all that training because he was a lawyer, and he had money saved in the bank, and they live in a

nice house and all this sort of stuff. And the truth is is that, you know, our journey has been extremely hard fought, and it has been marked by you know, more more come to Jesus moments and and dark knights of the soul than I care to, you know, recall, and you know specifically, we've had days where we had to send the kids to school without lunch. We almost lost our house. We went and lived in yurts on Hawaii, wondering whether we would able ever be able to come

back to our house. You know, like we've we have fought very very hard to craft this life that we have, and we risked everything for it. You know, we put everything on the line and walked away from a very different life to embrace this heart, heart based, faith based lifestyle so that we could pursue what we love and share a message with the world that is helpful, you know,

hopefully helpful to other people. But you know, it has been very much a warrior's path and we have we know, we've bled for it, and it's very It makes it all the more gratifying now when everything is congealed and the pieces are coming together and it all makes sense, and you know, people can look at it and say, well, wow, what they're doing is so amazing. They don't see, you know, how hard we had to fight to get to this

place where that we're at right now. Yeah. I think that's so important to share that with people, because there is a perception with anybody who's been successful a lot of times that they just came that way or it was easy for them, and I think that that can hold a lot of people back from trying to do

things that they want to do. I think hearing the journey that people go through, the struggles they go through, even particularly when it's people that a lot of people look up to or who are in the public eye,

that's so powerful. Yeah, it really is. I mean, you know, life, you know, life doesn't discriminate, and if you're a human being, you're going to be given a certain you know, set of events you know that are laid out across your lifetime and to you know, portray the illusion that it's all you know, a cake walk is just irresponsible and

just not true. It's it's just not true. And you know, as human beings, we have an opportunity to transform through these you know, we we change and we become who we are much more through the adversarial moments then we do through easy times. Not to say that, I you know, I still am calling in lots of easy times for us. You know, I've I've you know, we we've really we

really had our share. So I'm extremely grateful. But the other part of it is that you know, we don't take any of any of what is happening for granted, for even one moment. I mean, you know, the other Rich sent me a text, you know, just last week and he was like, remember when we couldn't eat? You know, remember when you know our cars got repossessed, Like remember when we thought we were losing the house. And you know, this one on for many, many years. So it wasn't

just a small three month period. It was a step into the unknown and a commitment to walk the path. And uh and because we did that with pure heart, courage, and surrender, you know, creation or the divine force has delivered us much more than we ever imagined. Uh In in some aspects, some things that have happened to us are just like, you know, crazy, amazing, um. But yeah, every every human being gets that opportunity to have that experience.

And for people to think that the human lie, if you know, is all easy for someone it's just I think it's untrue. When you guys talk about a lot of the challenges here you're talking about financial Was this really in making the transition rich from you being a lawyer to pursuing um, what you guys do now, which is you know, encouraging others in changing their lifestyle. Was Was this really where the the challenge was in making that transition out of sort of a paid job to

a career that's that's focused on what you do now. Well, I would say that's true in a macro sense, but I think that the you know, the finer points of it are a lot more there's a lot more great dation to it, because it's not like I had a high paying job and then I just quit and walked out and did something different the next day. I mean, it was more gradual than that, because you know the first step that I did was leave a leave a

large corporate law firm. And then and then I was practicing law with a couple other friends and we had our own small, little law firm. So that was a move, you know, kind of away from what I was doing. That gave me a little bit more freedom because suddenly I didn't have a boss. And then it was a move kind of away from that while still doing that, stepping into the ultra endurance world, while still like having one ft. You know, I was feeding two wolves. I

was practicing. I was still trying to hold onto my law practice on some level, but I was trying to step into this other world. So as a result of trying to do both of those things, my law practice was suffering. The income was starting to decline, and meanwhile I was, you know, gaining success in the ultra endurance world, but not making any money. And that's when it's sort of okay, well what are we doing out And then I got the book deal, and I got a nice advance.

You know, for a first time writer who had never written a book, it was it was really cool to get like this nice advance. But you know, with four kids and those checks kind of you know, divide it up into you know, you get thirty you know, thirty percent here or thirty percent there or whatever doesn't end up being enough to really support my family and not enough to like sort of in a in a fiscally

responsible way, say I'm going to walk away from my career. Um. But when the book you know, finally came out in May of two thousand twelve, I understood implicitly that I was being gifted with an opportunity, um, with this book, to be able to step into, you know, a new

way of navigating the world professionally. But that was only going to happen, um, if I was willing to put in, you know, go the extra mile and put in all the work that was going to be required to really push the book out there and get it in front of people. Because I wasn't. I wasn't like a famous athlete or anybody that anybody knew. I didn't have a podcast.

I mean, it was not. You know, it's a very different time, and you know, people write books all the time, and they come out and a couple of weeks later they're gone and they're a blip on the radar and nobody knows anything about that. And I knew that if I didn't really commit that, you know, that that that was most likely going to be the trajectory of my book. And so I said, now is the time I'm gonna I'm shuttering the law down completely and I'm just gonna

step into this. And I didn't have a business plan. I didn't know how it was going to look or where the money was going to come from. I just trusted that this was the right path for me, and that's somehow we were going to figure it out. And you know, it's sort of that adage of uh, you know, when you have faith in the universe, it will it will conspire to support you. But you know, I was looking for the safety net and Julie and I were falling, and you know, we bounced off the pavement a couple

of times before that net appeared. It was not a linear, you know, graceful landing. It's been you know, it's been, it's been bumpy. But ultimately the outage has proved true, just not in It just didn't unfold in the way that you know, would have would have provided us a little bit more comfort and ease. And the timing is always, you know, kind of an issue too, because you know,

divine timing and our timing are two different things. So I think we expected that net to appear long before it did, and you know, we kept the faith, but there were moments where you know, we were questioning all of our decisions, and you know, we were at this moment where I told Rich, I go, we're either going to be we're on the precipice of complete annihilation or realizing everything we've ever dreamed together. And it could be either, but it wasn't going to be in the middle. It

wasn't going to be in the middle. Well, it's congratulations on getting to the other side of it. Uh, you know, at least for now, there's always another challenge waiting. UM A question I'd be interested in asking you guys about because it's one that comes up on the show a lot, and and that I think about is there's a paradox of striving and being ambitious and wanting more out of life, which you guys clearly clearly do and you go for

the things that you want. There's that paradox with accepting where we are being content with what we have, And I'm curious how you work with that that paradox in your lives. Well, the really key part of this whole um, this whole journey, which we call it dismantling, is that

through the dismantle. You know, Rich and I had a lot of these dreams when we first met and got together, you know, I don't know, fourteen or fifteen years ago, and we had an idea for kind of a lifestyle company, and it had a different name, it was called GI Lifestyle. But we sort of had a lot of these ideas, um and uh. We thought that they were very altruistic, kind of nice ideas, but in hindsight, we still had

some alchemy to go through. We had a lot of personal ambition that was still wrapped up in those ideas, you know. And so in order to be able to really serve really as true healers and as examples, you know, you can't read about, you know, going through hardship in a book and then speak to it. You have to go through it so that you can share with someone that's a little bit you know, maybe behind you on

the path. So, you know, one of the key things of this whole experience of the dismantle is it rendered us on our knees in a very um horrible horrific and also divine way. So we had nothing to cling to. No external um source was seeming to feed us, was seeming to be there for us, and so we had to offer our life over in devotion to a force outside of ourselves and for you know me, that's divine Mother. So it was basically like you offer at the feet

of this force. I live my life for you. I all these successes and all the failures, you know, all the car repossessions and all the book deals, it's all yours and I am simply yours to use. So direct me, lead me, guide me, and show me the way. So that then takes all the all the ambition out of it. So you're we're taking action from a very different place. You know, Rich worked until three in the morning last night. But we're so grounded in service that we we aren't

working out personal ambitious ideals or ego trips or you know. Um, it comes from a different place and so um that's how we balance it is when we're doing, when we're working, or when we're sharing. We're rooted in that, in that beautiful experience of alchemy that uh sort of rubbed off all of the all of the mud from us and revealed that which we are at the core. How about from your perspective, rich Well, I mean that was a mouthful. Know. I think that that Julie hit it, hit it right on.

I mean, I think that that it's all about trying to get objective with yourself about that balance between ego and service, right. I think that Julie and I have fought very hard to be in a place now where you know, we're very blessed and privilege and grateful to have a platform and an audience of people who are interested in what we're doing. And I think it's very

easy to get tripped up. And I think this kind of plays into, you know, the parable of you know, in the dichotomy of the good and the bad wolf, in the sense that you know, it's very it's very easy to tip into this is all about me, and it's coming from my ego and how can I you know,

sort of advanced this to make me look good? And that's a dangerous place to go because this was all born again, not out of any kind of you know, business plan or intellectualized design, but because it was meant to be, and because Julie and I took this risk and allowed ourselves to kind of thrust ourselves into the unknown and and had a willingness to accept whatever, you know,

whatever would happen. And here we are in this place, and it's about remembering about how we got here and honoring that, and the way that we do that is by giving back. And when we're in that true, honest place of service UM, not because you know, we think service is the best way to get ahead, but because that's truly what this is all about. That I know

that we will be taken care of. And the way in which we get taken care of, UM will not be how I imagine it, and it won't come when I want it or in the form that I would prefer it most likely, but I know that that we will be taken care of because that has been my

experience over and over and over again. And so it's about arresting the ego, and it's about trying to get out of yourself and into the best possible way to be of benefit to the people who are devoting precious time out of their day to tune into our podcast or read something that I put online, or you know, pick up a book that we wrote, like that's a huge responsibility. And you know, when you put a book out, it's infused with energy. What is that energy, that potential energy?

You know, is it deriving from the bad wolf? Is it deriving from the good wolf? And and you know what is it? You know what what is the causal effect of putting something like that out into the world. And That's something that I think a lot about and I'm always trying to, you know, improve We're human beings, were fallible, We're not perfect, you know, So it's it is that gray area of of it coming from both places. It's about tipping the scale and the proper balance. Yeah,

I've been thinking. I mean, I agree with everything you guys said, and I think that it's one of those things that I think we have to keep working on, at least for me. Right It's like I I make progress with it and then I slide backwards and I

make progress. And I've actually I was recorded in many episode for well who knows when it will come out, but I was talking about this idea of I think when it comes to spiritual growth and emotional growth, there's a thought that we will hit a point, something will happen, We'll have an experience, while have an epiphany, will have meditated long enough whatever that thing is where now it's

all easy sailing. And the analogy I made is is a physical one, which is that there's no exercise you can do that then we'll make you in shape the rest of your life. There's no food you can eat that you'll get the nutritional benefits of the rest of your life. All this stuff, at least for me, and I'm realizing it more and more, is the consistent application of that effort, the consistent feeding of the right wolf, not once in a while, but going back to it

over and over. Yeah, And I mean and the beauty of that is that the powers in the moment, right, it's in the now moment. So every every new moment you have a chance, you know, uh, really at a form of rebirth. So let's say that you that you chose the bad wolf. Well, in the next moment, you can change that, and you can you can change the reality. So it's a it's a process, and it happens over and over and over again. And you know, I think creation is always evolving, whether you're in a body or

you you've left your body. It's it's it goes on and on and on and on. So it's no, it's not static, it's always changing. There's various points in the book, Julie where you write about I like that word you use their alchemy a little bit earlier, where you you kind of point to this idea that, like you just said, it's always then now we can always start over. We can always look at what happened and reframe it, set in a different light, try and transform these things that

are in our lives in a positive way. Yeah, And I mean I I really believe that, and I believe that there is an need or a space that really can serve us in a very highway, and that is to expand our compassion and our non judgment around food.

So you know, people have so many emotions tied up in their food, you know, and they're you know, medicating themselves for many different reasons, and it makes it such a hot button, like you can't even talk about, you know, if you like asparagus and somebody doesn't like them, or you you know, you're not an eat meat eater or your paleo or your vegan or whatever. And I just feel like these labels are confining and they're not doing

a service. And you know, uh, individuals are very unique, and people are at different places in their evolution in their own life path, and no one person is more valued in the eyes of consciousness than another. You know, it's not h the sun that is shining isn't discriminating on the gardener versus the lawyer versus the act or you know. So I just feel like we need to bring a lot of compassion into our food and into our homes and into our kitchen, and we need to

allow people their own process and their own evolution. And you know, rich and I always say that, you know, in in yoga contra. You know, if you ask, you know, well, is uh is this good for someone? The answer is for whom? And when you know, it depends where who is the person, where are they living, what stage of life are they in, because you know, it might not be the right thing for someone to go all raw, it might not be the best thing for, you know,

someone to eat a certain kind of diet um. You know, at the same time, it's individual. I'm going to ask each of you guys this question. I'd be interested in your answer. What is the lesson that's taken you the longest to learn, or that you're still working hard to learn right now. I suppose, oh man, where to even begin with that? There's so many for me. I got a whole bag of them. But I think for me I've traditionally always struggled with and I'm always trying to

work on, is balance. You know. I'm I'm prone to extremes. My pendulum swings, you know, pretty deep, and I can vacillate from you know, all kinds of you know, extreme behaviors, good and bad. Um. But what what what eludes me is that ability to gracefully navigate life kind of in

the middle in the macro. I think when you look down on my life, it looks balanced, but it's a it's it kind of vacillates between one extreme to the next, whether it's work or training, or family or relationship or travel. You know, I always tend to um, you know, it's always a struggle for me to kind of get the pieces to to come together in a in a more even handed way. And I'm getting better at it, you know. But I think that's my biggest lesson is in trying

to embrace that way of living more than I traditionally have. Yeah, I think that's that's a challenge. And I like what you said though, if you look at it in a macro way, because there just seemed to be periods of life. You know, for everything, there's a season, right, And for me, I've had to get a little bit more comfortable with like this is the short period of life where this is really an intense focus and then it goes back over there and but on the whole over time. Am

I am? I balancing my priorities in a in a good way, but I get stressed up by the same thing. How about you, Julie, Well, I'm a little bit different. I am. I tend to learn my lessons that I'm given pretty well, so I don't repeat them, but I'm always getting new levels of lessons. Um, So wouldn't say

that mine is a repetitive one. I think the one that I am working with right now that I'm being shown and uh, and I don't really I'm not really through it as I'm being shown what it means to be uh, a feminine energy in this world where the feminine has been so dishonored, um and so objectified and so um. You know, Uh, really just um, you know, there's been huge violence that's been perpetrated against women on this planet for many, many many years, and um, in

my earlier days, I wasn't really focused on that. I think I've been very sort of engineered to assist with the healing of the masculine. So I've been, you know, working with my boys and working with rich and and also the masculine withinside of me, inside of myself, you know, because we both have both energies inside of ourselves. But I think right now I'm on an exploration of what does it mean to be a fully embodied woman and what are the paradigms that I want to break around

certain limitations and ideas that exists for women on the planet. Excellent, So I've got one more question for each of you, and then I think maybe you can tell us a little bit about where to find the book and different things that you guys have coming up, and then we'll wrap up. But I would be interested in one of the things that I often think is the bad wolf personified,

is the negative self talk. Those those voices that go on in our heads that are that are perpetual, habitual, and and often can be negative and I would like to ask you guys, how you handle negative self talk in your own life. Yeah, that's a great one. Uh. You know, negative self talks has accompanied me, you know,

my whole life. And I think the way that I have learned to deal with it, UM boils down to UH meditation and mindfulness practices that really UM help you understand that the idle chatter of your mind, which you know is not always your friend, UM, but is also not your higher consciousness. That there is a distinction between

your thinking brain and your higher self. And the more that you kind of delve into meditation and mindfulness practices, the more you're able to identify that distinction and understand that there are tools available for controlling the idle chatter of your mind. In other words, just because your brain is telling you X, y and Z doesn't mean that you have to take that to heart or you know,

entertain that or take it seriously. And it's about mastering the mind rather than allowing the mind to control you and UM, and I think, you know, the more that we can be aware of that, and the more that we can incorporate practices to better master UH that idea, I think that UM, that is probably the most powerful tool that I can think of to get a handle on that kind of you know, that kind of thing that I think a lot of people suffer from. Yeah,

I think so too. And in regards to mindfulness and meditation. Great job with your interview with Andy from Headspace. That was a great one. I just listened to it today and thank you. We've we've got him coming up in the fall. But really I love that one, so great work. Thanks. How about you, Julie. Negative self talk so again again I have I don't really experience negative self talk. Um,

it's not in my vernacular, doesn't occur for me. But I would say maybe my counterpart to that would be, um, some intense emotions um that are imbalance, that are coming from the little child aspect of myself. UM. So when those kind of things appear in my field, the way that I work with them is I do yoga breathing, so prani yama breathing UM, and it's a you know, a skull shining or a breath of fire, different kinds

of prani yama. And I'll find that if I even if I'm in a very intense, you know, moment, and it's very it's very overwhelming. If I do this breathing for forty five minutes, the feeling is completely transformed from my body. It doesn't even exist anymore. So that that's an extremely powerful tool to transform emotional residue that comes up. Can you give us a minute or two uh starter course on that type of breathing, sir. The first thing that you could do is you could just do um

alternate nostril breathing. So what you would do is you would take your ring finger and your thumb um take your two your index finger in your middle finger first actually and put it on your third eye center, and then you're going to plug um beginning with the We're going to breathe with the left nostril first, so you'll use your thumb gently plug your right nostril, and you're going to take a deep inhale in from the left nostril.

You're gonna hold at the top and plug with the ring finger now the the left nostril, and then release the right thumb and exhale out the right nostril. And then you would inhale from the right nostril, hold at the top and then exhale through the left nostril, and so you would just continue this alternate breathing, long, deep fluid breaths. Try to make the breath as long as

you can. And let's say you would inhale. Let's say you inhale for eight on the left, hold for four, and then exhale for eight on the right, and then you inhale for eight on the right, hold at the top, and then exhale for eight on the left and continue this kind of breathing and it balances your left and right sides out and it's extremely powerful just as a daily practice. Excellent. Well, Chris, and I just gave that

a whirl. And for you left handers out there, those fingers will be reversed because I'm a left hander and I just noticed that as you were giving me the instruction. No, no, it's fine, Um, thank you for that. So yeah, I'm always looking for, um, you know, small things that that we can start to incorporate into our lives to help us get more in touch with physical things versus just

being in the mind all the time. Yeah. Well, the breath is you know, extremely transformational, and it's available available to all of us, and you know, the it's a very very powerful force, so it works well. Guys, thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show. The book is available now and attest to the fact that it's beautiful with lots of great recipes as well as I would say a lot of um inspiration about about the ability to change our lives and

make them better. Yeah, thanks so much, Eric, great talking to you, and we really appreciate the opportunity to to connect with you. Yes, right back at you. And there'll be links to the books and richest site on the show notes, and you can also go is it What is the best site to find you guys at best site is rich role dot com. That's where everything that that I'm doing is and you can learn about the book and my podcast and our products and everything there.

If you're interested in Julie Uh, Julie's point of view and her music and her writings, you can go to her website which is Shrimati dot com. S R I M A t I dot com. UH. And the Plant Power Away is available everywhere online. And you know, we always try to encourage people to try to purchase it from your local independent bookstore because I think it's good to support our independent booksellers, so maybe that's something to

bear in mind. Well, thanks so much guys, best to luck with the new book and we'll talk again soon. Thank you so much for having us on. It was lovely to spend the time with you. Great talk. Okay, thanks, take care, bye bye. You can learn more about this podcast and Rich Roll and Julie piet at one you feed dot net slash plant power