Johnette Napolitano

have instead of what we do. We think things that hold us back and dampen our spirit. But it's not just about thinking. Our actions matter. It takes conscious, consistent, and creative effort to make a life worth living. This podcast is about how other people keep themselves moving in the right direction, how they feed their good wolf. Thanks for joining us. Our guest this week is Johnette Napolitano, an American musician best known as the lead vocalist and

songwriter and bassist for the band Concrete Blonde. Johnette is currently a resident of Joshua Tree, California. She composes music for films and works as a gallery artist, specializing and discarded and reclaimed materials. She also takes care of rescue horses. Her latest record is called Naked and her book is called Rough Mix. And here's the interview. Hi Janette, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Yeah,

I'm I am really excited to have you on. Every once in a while we get a guest that has figured prominently in my mental landscape for a long time, and you are one of those. You flatter me. Your your music has been a source of consolation and in comfort to me for well longer than i'd like to admit, back since your first records came out. So it's it's exciting for me to get to talk with you. Well,

then I've done my job. Thank you. So our podcast is called The One You Feed, and it's based on the parable of Two Wolves, where there's a grandfather who's talking with his grandson. He says, in life, there are two wolves inside of us that are always at battle. One is a good wolf, which represents things like kindness and bravery and love, and the other is a bad wolf,

which represents things like greed and hatred and fear. And the grandson stops and he thinks about it for a second, and he looks up at his grandfather and he says, well, grandfather, which one wins? And the grandfather says, the one you feed. So I'd like to start off by asking you what that parable means to you in your life and in the work that you do. Well, Um, that's a good one. I understand that, and I do I do agree with it to a point, um, But I don't think it's

a human being you can be consistent all time. And I also would say that while you have let's say, somebody doesn't speak the same language you do and you have to speak their language to make your point, um, And that and that language is not necessarily kindness and love and poetry all the time. Some things need to be fought for and you have to fight sometimes. I mean the country, this country wouldn't be here if it

hadn't been fought for. Um. On the on the other hand, as a human being, uh, I want to be and we all should want to be kind and generous and all that and and feel love all the time. It just doesn't happen. It's not gonna happen. And so it's really like surfing, you know. Um, I have a friend um whose wife is a psychiatrist, and we have we discussed this and we call them wobbles. I call them wobbles. It's like, you know, you are not going to be

consistent all the time. There are a lot of factors behind that, life factors, even astrology, you know, and which I which I do believe it, you know, and if if if it's strong enough to pull the tides and your body is mostly water, then it's strong enough to pull you. So I do keep tabs on on on that stuff, but not in order to rule me. I

find it consistent with the way I feel. But I've learned as a mature human being or trying to get there, uh that that I'm in control of that and if it's if it's if I'm not feeling all the love today, I'm fortunate enough that I can pull back and not socialized, not be around people. I can control that, and that that I think is the ultimate. It's it's all about balance, um.

Balance is basically what it's all about. And if i feel like I'm not in the most loving mood, I've learned how to control that, or I'm very close to it, you know, I do have a lot of Italian blood in me. So you know, I have learned that, and not all people deserve my love. I'm sorry. It's you know, if somebody's kicking a dog, I'm sorry, I'm not going to feel love and peace and feed that. I'm gonna kick your ass, you know. So, I I really think that it's not that simple. You know, I wish it were,

but it's not. Yeah, I mean I think that that what I like about that that parable. I mean there's a lot of things. I think the main thing I like is it just becomes I think it just speaks to the fact that we have a choice in any moment to think about how we want to act and how we want to react. What you were just saying made me think of something, and I thought I'd be

interested in getting your take on. So one of the things on the show that that comes up a lot is there seems to be a couple of responses to emotions that people have. I mean, on one side, there's the indulgence of the emotion, whether that be lashing out in anger or you know, drinking ourselves into despair or you know, watching t channeling it into channeling and into art, right, and so then there's the other end, which is repressing it, which is all I don't feel that or all those

different things. I think there's a middle ground. And it sounds like to you that middle ground is channeling in art. What are other ways that you try and find that balance between repression and indulgence in emotion? Well, a lot of it depends on what is the root of that. A lot of it is chemical, um if and that

I'm not talking about alcohol or drugs. I'm talking about what you eat, the world we live in, of the excess stimulation um and and now when you see what all these these kids are going crazy because they're over medicated, they're shooting up places and and that, you know, I just had an email from somebody in Australia the other day who was really hypercritical about the gun control thing and everything else, which of course is a mess. But there's always a route to that. It's a route to

dysfunctional behavior. And whether the alcoholism, whether it be shooting up at school, whether it be anything, what is the root of it? You know? And you have to look at that, you know, um And it's a difficult question. Uh And and a kid doesn't know how to how to process these emotions or channel them in any way. You know. Um, that's why I think they draft eighteen year olds because eighteen year olds are full of angst.

You know, you either wanna fuck or fight, and basically and when you get them at that age, you're gonna get him at that age, you know. So um, it's it's really a very complicated question. Or But to me also, you know, I've been studying dance for many, many years flamenco and that seems to tap into something in me, which is, you know, whatever anger there is or rage or upset, dance is very important. But we've taken all that out. I think especially kids need to be physically

active to work out that adrenaline. I learned a lot about adrenaline from a friend of mine who is a neurologist, and that can old up for years and explode when you least expect it. And as human beings in a physiological sense, the changes that you go through, especially women, Um, you know your body for the first trimester of your life, the second trimester is different, and then you have a whole different thing that happens you know, after a certain period.

So it's it's no pun intended, but it's a good one. Um. So there's there's so many factors. It's it's just not that simple, you know, it's not that simple. And you have to have some kind of awareness, and that's difficult because there's if you have no guidance, you don't have that awareness. And we don't have that awareness because as long as we're processed into machines and taking our drugs and and uh and I walking in line and staying in line, that's all that's expected of us. And it's

not humanly possible. It's not who we are. And if you like to deny the spiritual part of us and not feed that, getting back to the parable, what are we feeding? You know, are we going to feed the art, the art side of us, the spiritual side of us, the creative side of us. We're not nobody's feeding that. We're cutting that back all the time. And what does what what is left a whole side of our brain that we're discouraged from using that is natural? Uh and

and and that's just creating a monster. And it is creating monsters. Yeah, you mentioned a little bit about about shooting and as I was going back through your your catalog. I listened to God as a bullet, which that's painfully, painfully relevant right now. Painfully I know. I was really just this is almost more relevant now than it was when you wrote it that decade on the back of the sea. There is not a moment those forever. I

had a lot of great plans. The man so bred my gone crazy because the baby get down my phone days time, say why it was the wrong, wrong, wrong? My god Frey? Hi, yeah, say I had Frank kill your lady. Lad yourself and know God is a fool that have my say honest every world. I actually had thought of that the other day in my exchange with with someone in Australia. I was just like, you know what, it's not that simple. You know, it's not that simple. It's not just a matter of taking guns away. I

know many gun owners. Hell, if you come onto my property, I'll blow you away myself. But that doesn't mean is that's not the reason, you know what I mean, it's not the reason that once again, get back to the root of it. Why is someone going going on and shooting up a school as a kid. I know people out here with guns that have never had to use them. You know, but I live in a rural area, you know, And and that's that's very, very different, And it's just

not a blanket. It's not an easy solution. But taking away everybody's guns, I have to say, And having written that song, it surprises me to hear myself say that. But since I've lived out here, I know many people with guns, carry guns, always have guns, and have never shot them. So, you know, what is that? And in the Swiss Army, by the way, uh, never mind a knife? They they are they have to meet weekly I think

once a year. They keep their guns in their homes after they're out of the army at which is mandatory service. The Swiss don't go shooting up each other, you know, with guns anyway. But but what is why? Why? Why not? Yeah? I think it's definitely a very nuanced debate. It's not as simple. There's no easy answers to any of these things. Speaking of where you live, I saw you, uh in your Twitter feed sometime over the last week mentioned something

about um the Desert Land Trust. Could you tell me a little bit about what that is and what role your what role you're playing there? Well, I've willed my property to the doest the Mojabi Desert Land Trust. Because I've lived here a while. The desert is isn't a delicate ecosystem. It's not the waste land people think it is. It's always alive. Um. I've pulled four tortoises off the road since I've lived here. Um never mind. Um, but but I anyway, the trend out here is because it's

Joshua trees. Trending now is to do air b and bes and Um. I was out here all by myself for a long time and now I have people on either side of me. Everybody thought it was cool to come out and flip property. Well it's not. It's not that simple either. But people don't know how to be in the desert and it's ruining, ruining the ecology of the desert. And uh, never mind the carnage that I've seen on the road, human and animal of people that don't know how to be, how to drive, They come

out here and get their party on. You know, I just got on somebody's case and about them not living here and coming up and selling L S D at the music festival. That's not cool at all. People die from that. Those kids are young You're not gonna blow into my neighborhood and sell LSD at the music festival and then blow out. It's not gonna happen. And boy I got ripped a new one for that, but I don't care. I'll stand up for that. That's not right.

These kids are too young. You shouldn't be taking stuff like that at that age anyway, or any age for that matter. I've seen it do damage that that it does. And the desert at its best is a very volatile environment. It's a harsh environment if you don't know how to be here, whether you're on drugs or not. It's easy to get lost within five ft of your car, you know, And it's and I know people that have done it, who know the desert. You know, you get a dust

storm in here, you're screwed. You know, you can't find it. And it's just really a harsh environment. It doesn't take long to get sunstroke and die um and wander off because it all looks the same. If you're not from here, you don't know where you are. And I know a search and rescue, I know what they go through. I know people who train the Black Rock Rangers, you know who go to burning man to to to look after

people and the emergency stuff there. You just got to be careful and people don't know how to do that, and um, it's a it's a very So anyway, I thought the best thing to do, and I've been talking about it a long time. But since I'm not twenty one anymore. And when my dad passed, God bless him, and he's never far from me. Um didn't leave a will, and and it was a bit of a mess. And I decided nobody likes it to think about making a will,

because none of us want to think about dying. But you know what, I've seen enough out here in a split second. You know, people go down, people die, It happens all the time. And and I want my stuff straight. And I'm probably I think I'm the first one in my family to really ever have done that. And the Mojave Desert Land Trust has acquired great tracts of land, a lot of land, and the single reason it's preservation. And I thought, what better could I do with my

five acres? I only have one acre fenced off, but the four acres that I have need to be left alone. And that is what I want. That is was my intention when I bought my place, and that is my intention when I leave, and that's what's going to happen. And I was just proud to do that. I was really nervous because, like I said, nobody wants to make a will this is you know, and um no, but I do go on too, or I do get on plane. I do have less and less confidence about that the

whole thing. You know, Am I gonna land? Am I going to make it? You know? I mean I kissed the ground whenever I come home, even just going to the store, because I've seen I've seen such horrible ship on the highway, you know. So I really was proud to do that, and I'm I'm I'm pleased that they were glad about it, you know, and I'll probably be I'll probably be playing a show in the building before the end of the year. So I'm really, I was really it really made me feel good to do that.

I felt like I was doing something definitely worth while. Well, that's that's wonderful. One of the songs, if I had to say, it was one of your very early songs, and yet I think it it speaks for you kind of who you've been and who you've remained for so long is true? That's my horse's name. Okay, Well, so clearly tat duode on my left hand tru w to

when I play guitar, you get to see that. Yeah, yeah, And you've you've written you know, there's the original True, which is one of my favorite songs of all time. Then there's you've got the instrumental version, and then you did uh true. Three reason that I need to interject that the music was written by Jim Manky. He gave me if he gave me a cassette of music um that included about as a Bullet, which he wrote the music for and included True. And he hated it. He

hated it. He didn't like it. And I said, this is so good. I'm not only going to put it on the record once I'm putting it on twice he hated that. So it was a good check and balance system. But that the credit for that song definitely goes to him. But you put the lyrics to it, yes, And then they talked you love and then they come down and down. That's the reason seems a very farrow way breath in the day. Yea, we have been rejected by everyone, uh

in except Miles Copeland. In the early days, um that song was that what we submitted it to everybody. We had started making the record, and I actually had one record executive who is, well, the record business isn't what it used to be and this is this is why, because the dude was I mean hugely important VP who actually told me that I couldn't write songs and Jimmaka couldn't play guitar and he couldn't write songs either, and you know, there's not much I know in the world.

But I just looked at him and went, what the hell are you doing in this job? And turned around and slapped him in and I walked away from a major, major record deal. And at the time I was I was I think I was thirty two or thirty three. And then what went around town was that I was getting old, and that's uh yeah, I think about that now. It corrects me up, but it wasn't funny then. But I stuck up for it. And I'm glad that you

appreciate that song as much as I do. And that was the reason for the lyrics of that song, is because we had been rejected by everybody, and I had, you know, it was a lot of soul searching, and I just said, if I can't, if I can't make the music that is in my heart that comes to me is that I just don't want to do it at all. I'd I'd rather you know, work, you know, anywhere else. I'd rather go back to waitressing, you know. Yep. So a lot of times on the show we talk

a lot about you know, life is paradoxical. What paradox or contradiction in your life have you had to learn to accept or embrace? Let's see which one? All of it? All of it? Yeah, all of it. I'm pretty much. You know, the Chinese have a great saying you have to learn to dance on a moving carpet. And there's you know, to bring in more cliches. But I'll tell you what cliches and cliches for a reason. Um, you

have to you know. A recent paradox is you know, I've all I've wondered living out here for for as long as I have and taking myself out of Hollywood, the city I was born in. Um and my missing out on anything. Uh, the answer is no, I'm not missing it on anything, but a very strange thing happened recently as I was listening to Brian Eno Radio and uh,

I heard this beautiful piece of piano music. And for the first time in my life that I can remember, I went who is this and went over and wrote it down and it was Harold Bud and I said wow. And I posted something on my Facebook and said, I'm listening to Harold bug music. Well, I got an email two days later from his son Terrence, that said, you know, we're doing a retrospective on my dad's work and they're

one of the first names that came up. And I was amazed because not only has Harold Budd worked with Eno, Fripp, all kinds of people, but he's at a house up the up and near the National Park for the last ten years. He lived here forever. And I'm like, how did I not know you were here? And Harold and I are working on a on a beautiful book, and and he came out and recorded at my house and we have gorgeous music. And I'm just thinking, now, that's

one of the strangest things that's ever happened. So I don't think it matters, especially in this day and age where a lot of people can get really especially my age, can get really down on the Internet and on the Facebook and all that sort of stuff. But the role of that social media has played, I mean politically, socially, just I mean just on every It's a tool and you can use it the way you want, you know.

But that was the strangest thing to happen to me for a long time, because Harold and I should have known each other for years and he's just like, oh my god, we're just soul mates and um and he's and he's just wonderful. So that is one of the paradoxes. It's like the further you get away, the closer you are. Yeah, I find that. I found that amazing. I found that absolutely amazing. So uh and and and I think that's

that's an example. You know, it's just life is like you say, you know, life is full of them, and there's just that's the mystery, you know, the mystery is what makes life with living really you know, we're not going to know it, you know. But that was a great example of like, am I missing something? Not only was I not missing anything, but here is a man who was a professor at cal Arts, and I was I always felt bad that I never got to go

to college because my parents divorced. He's not only a professor, he's a professor one of the best art schools in the world. And and he's my best friend. And here we are collaborating, and and I just can't get over that. I still can't get over that. I was going to ask you about that. There's some really lovely pictures of the two you guys out there at your place recording. It looks like it's so much fun. Will Will Will the rest of us get to hear that music at

any point? Yes? Absolutely. I'm actually in Chicago. I'm I'm having a meeting with um, with the gentleman who is in charge of taking care of Harold's business and and Aarons, And I mean, I'm in touch with with him every day, and we're gonna sit down and figure out how to do this because, uh, you know, I went to Pasadena, where HAIRB spent most of his time. He had a fall, so his son isn't crazy about him driving around by himself like a madman, although he does anyway, I can't

keep up with him. And he's gonna be eighty years old. I love that so yeah, oh no, it's just amazing. Um. But yes we will, but we'll figure out how to do it, how to do it right. We'd want to do a live performance out here in the desert, and I would love to do it at the Hobby Desert Land Trust, and I talked to the parents about and so we're talking about quite a few things to do this fall. Absolutely excellent. Well, you've got a new three song EP out. One of the songs on it is

called here. Yes, I know I'm complicating, comes out bad, dispose be a mess, but a lot of love and hard Sometimes I just can't start. Sometimes I just can't start. Well, I never had a man, I never had a plan. All I have is back too, And why I think I am and I am a little less and you are a little more. And I've never really seen my life and quite this light before. But if you ever coming, no, I will be here. And if you ever want me, no, I will be here. And if you ever need me,

you know I will be here. I know what you need and no you need from me in to be quite place. Can you tell me about that song? I really like it. Yes, it's that's that's the paradox is that Um, you know, there was a relationship I would I would have really loved to maintain, but I couldn't live in l A anymore for many, many reasons, and creatively financially. You know, my father Um passed away and

he helped build a lot of Hollywood. I mean, he put neon signs on the top of the Hollywood Rosevelt Hotel and several landmarks, and it's it's kind of I've got to get over really being there, but I don't want to live there anymore. It's it looks more like New York than Hollywood now. And moving out of the city was a drag because I had to forfeit some time with somebody I really wanted to spend time with UM. And the only message that I can say is that

you know, whenever you want, I'll be here. That's all. I'll just be here. And I've never felt like that about a relationship in my life. It's a very unconditional thing. And I guess that means that maybe finally I'm maybe maturing, although I never maturing and growing up or two different things, but that was that was what I meant. And I mean, it's like you know if you ever want me, I'll be here. And I'm no conditions, no rubles, no nothing. But if you ever need me, I will never be

away from you. And I've that's more than uh most married people say each other, you know, or even do. So I was pretty happy making that statement. You know, I'm not happy, but I mean just satisfied, you know, fulfilled making that statement, just being able to say that, no matter what you do on your own time, I just don't care. But if ever you need me, I will be here. That's a beautiful sentiment. So what do you do? You know, we were talking earlier about emotions.

You know, we all get down or feel sad. What are the things that you do to find comfort when when you're feeling that way? Pick up my gets a yea, yep, that's what I do. And and uh and that's it. That's everybody perceives me. Is this sad tragic person? And I'm not. But if because if the weather is good, I'm gonna be out playing with my horse, I'm gonna be out painting. I'm gonna be out you know, pounding

tin or or you know, sculpting or something. Um and and it's a drag too, because the water is almost always great here, but it's not. But if the first thing, if I if I'm sad about anything, and and that is a very human thing, it's normal. I Um, I picked my guitar and I write a song because that's that's soothing and and it's it's it's it's channeling in a productive way, you know. I just I've been talking about it for years, but I finally wrote a Christmas

song and I posted it for my dad. Um and uh, I was really happy to do that, you know, because because it's I've never done it. I've always wanted to do it, always wanted to do a Christmas song and find we did that. So it's just it's just a therapy. That's why music therapy so essential. Music and dance therapy is absolutely essential, and it's therapeutic for me, you know, it really is. But I'm not sad all the time. It's just that's where that's when I need to make music.

That's when I need to play. And it's been difficult because in the Concrete Blond days, especially when we did the blood Letting album, Oh my God, to go out and play that every night, I'm a bit of a method actor when it comes to performance. I don't believe in faking it um and I can't just sit there and strum away, you know. It's it's tough for me. Touring is tough for me. It's always been tough. But to go out and play that record for a year, Jesus,

I was suicidal. I mean it was just tough, you know, to relive all that stuff every night was really difficult. It was it was just I was just crying all the time, you know. But I can't fake it. I just can't. I either have to feel at all. And people know the difference, you know, they know the difference. You know. If I go out and clock it in,

I'll be called on it and uh and rightfully. So you know, if I can't get out there and give a d everything, you know, it's not you know, they said something about Marlon Brando that when he wasn't acting, you should have been kept in a cage um and that's and that's probably that probably applies to me as well, a desert cage at this point. Yeah, but it's it's

it's all right. So you were just talking about blood letting, and there's a you know the song that you're probably best known for his Joey on that on that record, and I've always related with that song. I've related to it as a recovering drug addict and alcoholics as I related to it as the Joey in that song. Yeah, there's been a lot of speculation about who that song was about, and you can feel free to defer this question.

In my book, Mark, I read it Mark Morland, and then I went along to read that he you know, he passed When you wrote Joey, was it before or after he passed? Okay, so that song is even more tragic. What a great time we had or something like that was the was the final line something to that extent, looking back on your time together? Yeah, so does that song? Is that song gotten harder for you to play after

he passed? Much easier? Okay? What is the lesson in your life that you think is taking you the longest to learn? That it could end any minute. I just lost a very dear friend, Octavio Hernandez Diaz, who was a major, major, major journalist in Mexico music journalists, but more than that, he was a very dear friend and passionate about life and a brilliant writer and his wife was also a very dear friend of mine. And how this um came very strange. What happened is a rastaba.

She's a brilliant jeweler. It just doesn't have a bad bone in her body. The woman is a saint and she was struck by paralysis and nobody knows why. And so Octavio was putting on all these amazing gigs in Tijuana with all these major major bands, and he had he had written me saying, UM, can you send this can you help out case? She said? And I said, of course, of course, And I drove around and finally found a Western Union and sent some money down to San Cathedral Um where I needed to for him. And

I wonder why you didn't pick it up? And it just it didn't picked up and get picked up. And you know, Octavio just stopped breathing and died out of nowhere one day, and it just ripped all of us apart. And uh Rosalba is a typical thing, apologized that he didn't pick the money up. My god, you know, that's the typical of her, you know, but that came out of nowhere, and the carnage I've seen on this highway. Highways sixty two got to be one of the most

dangerous highways in the world. And um, what I've seen on this highway is that somebody went to work one day got slammed off his motorcycle. I I just don't want to get too deep into that because I'm not That's that's where the control comes in. I don't want to upset myself. I've seen it. I was there. It's cool. It just happens all the time, every day, all the time out here. And um, and you know, gone through people's stuff when they've passed away, when there were no

provisions made. I mean, you know, I've done it two or three times with different people, and that every minute is your last minute and if you don't appreciate it and treat it right, you don't deserve it. Yeah, that's such a powerful statement and so hard for so many or it's so hard to to know that intellectually, or it's easy to know that intellectually, and it's a lot harder to really take that in and learn to appreciate

every moment. I know that I wrestle with that. Yes, well, it's easy to you know, you would let the past be the past. The only thing is the present. I mean even on a physics level, you know, the only thing is the present. You know, there is no future, there is no past. There's only now, and all these little moments make our lives, and every little moment is important,

and that's it is. It is difficult to digest, and I think that calls for a certain amount of experience or a certain amount of There are people who know that, you know, people who send their sons and husband's away and wives a way to war know that, um, And the things that you remember always the little things. You know, if you're laying or dying, you can remember the little things, not the big things that they call accomplishments in in in this time that we live in and what we're

encouraged to do. I was talking to somebody who really got sick um the other day. And he's going and you know, just got a promotion and has a huge job and and just a huge responsibility and certain just all of a sudden is sick. And uh, you know, I was joking around. And when you're joking around, I'm like, Who's who's racing faster to death? You were me let's go, let's go, let's the compet accomplish. Just make more money. Let's make more money. Let's go, let's go, let's go.

Who's gonna die first? It's a race? And uh and that's pretty much what it is, you know. And and and to slow down literally means to slow down time. You know. Um, the thing that the thing that has struck me because I like to be out for a week out of the month, but you have to work when you're touring, you have to work three months in advance. I mean, I think, I'm I know what I'm doing in February, and I used to get tremendous anxiety over that, like, oh my God, say, oh chee, February. What am I

gonna do? Who am I going to get to watch the horse? Where am I gonna do? And then I'm just like whatever, you know, I'm not gonna worry about February if I don't know if I'm gonna make it through today, and it's up to God whether I make it through today, not me. So I've learned to manage that anxiety. But I see that whether people are planning weddings, whether they're planning vacations, but they're planning, planning, planning, And I think John Lennon ripped off the Dali Lama when

he said life is what happens when you're making other plans. Well, it is, you know. And uh And I've learned to just kick back and just go today. We'll take care of itself. And I'm just going to enjoy half an hour. I mean, I can wake up in a hotel and and check out time is eleven, and if I have twenty minutes to sit there by myself, I'm like, this is going to be the best twenty minutes ever, my favorite piece of time. And it is, you know, I can.

I can get more in five minutes. I can get more out of it than a lot of people can. And that's one of the reasons I did move out. As a matter of fact, the reason I did move out of l A was because I found most of my quality time sitting in traffic. And I and I realized that God did not invent me to sit in traffic all day, you know, And this is just not right.

This isn't this isn't good, this isn't real life. If I'm gonna if I'm going to point A and point B. I want to get from point A to point B. I don't want to have to sit there in the in the twilight zone of whatever. And and it just it just wasn't normal to me. It wasn't right, it wasn't holistic. And I have to leave, and to leave one's hometown, it depends on where you're from. But I do love Hollywood very much, and so it's not that far away, but it's not the same, and it's still

too much traffic. You know. I just can't deal with it. I just feel like I'm sitting here waste of my time. I mean, you're supposed to spend a thirty of your life sleep in any way, you know, And I'm grateful if I can do that, because leaping is pretty much A friend of mine said back in the nineties, sleep will be the new sex of the new millennium. You'll be lucky if you get any that's awesome. Yeah, I know he was right, And uh, and I got to say, that's just the priority. You know. I'm up at five,

and I try to be in bed by ten. If I wake up at three, that's cool, which I usually do. And if I want to go back to sleep for an hour. That's cool. But I feel like I'm fortunate enough to pay attention to my body's rhythms, and I don't think that we have that luxury anymore in this we're in the culture that we're in. A lot of people do not, that is for sure. I don't certainly at points. Yeah, yeah, Well, Jeannette, thanks so much for

taking the time. I've really enjoyed this conversation. Like I said, I I have a big fan of your music, So thank you for all that. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much, and good luck with everything. Thanks, take care, bye bye. Yeah. You can learn more about Johnette Napolitano and this podcast and find links to the songs that are featured in this episode at one you feed dot net slash John Nett