Jackie Warner

what we do. We think things that hold us back and dampen our spirit. But it's not just about thinking. Our actions matter. It takes conscious, consistent, and creative effort to make a life worth living. This podcast is about how other people keep themselves moving in the right direction, how they feed their good will. Thanks for joining us. Our guest today is Jackie Warner, best known as the

star of Bravo Network shows Workout and Thinner Mentioned. Jackie is also the author of two New York Times best selling books, including the latest one, This Is Why You're Sick and Tired and How to Look and Feel Amazing. She has started five best selling DVDs and is one of the country's most popular fitness trainers. Here's the interview. Hi Jackie, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to do here. Yeah, I'm excited to have

you on the show. Your new book is all about having more energy, which is a topic I'm always interested in. And um, you know, you've also gone on quite a journey in your life and we always like to explore that on the show. So thanks for taking the time. So our podcast is called The One You Fee, and it's based on the parable of two Wolves, where there's a grandfather who's talking with his grandson and he says, in life, there are two wolves inside of us that

are always at battle. One is a good wolf, which represents things like kindness and bravery and love, and the other is a bad wolf, which represents things like greed and hatred and fear. And the grandson stops and he thinks about it for a second. He looks up at his grandfather and he says, well, grandfather, which one wins? And the grandfather says, the one you feed. So I'd like to start off by asking you what that parable means to you. In your life and in the work

that you do. There are so many levels that I could talk to you about with that terrible because if you break it down, I study metaphysics, and I've studied metaphysics actually since I was very young. And for me, it's about energy. It is really really the energy that you put forth, the energy that you carry yourself with out there in society or even in your own home. The energy starting with your sink of yourself and therefore

it translates to how you feel about others. UM is very powerful and so for me, I always think of it. Do I have a good energy, Meaning when I walk into a room or get around other human beings, does my energy uplift and right in that room? Or does my energy bring that room down? And I think I have a power to do that, either turn a room down or turn a room up, as we all do,

especially if we work on honing that energy. So to me, it's not such a dark you know, an ugly side or good side, because we now know that ugliness and feelings of lots of hope and things can be a chemical um issue. You know, I study chemistry like saratonin, do community or ethnefrin many, many, many people that are not diagnosed properly are suffering from slight mood instability which

can make us feel ugly and angry and dark. Um and yeah, and so my whole teaching is to how do we kind of improve that serotonin that buies' mean and that no epienefference so we can have a more balanced and more pleasing feeling about ourselves and others. And you can do that largely through food and certainly through some intense exercise. Um. And that's been my entire goal. I healed my own depression when I was in my early twenties. I healed it completely three diet and exercise.

And my whole life mission is to be working with others to try to heal that within themselves through diet and through nutrition and exercise. So do you see how that leaps back around? Ye? Absolutely. Your new book is called This Is Why You're Sick and Tired? So why are we sick and tired? Well, there's three factors, and

I break it down in the book. One is that we have toxic sells, and that's largely from our overprocessed diet and some fantastic shows and things and medias are starting to really talk about how cancerous and how toxics are processed food industry is. So that's number one is toxic cells UM which finds them blank it down the

three aspects of the cell. The mitochondria, which is the battery or the energy of the cell, the nucleus which is the DNA, which is responsible for fighting disease or getting disease, And in the outer portion of the cell, which is responsible for communication. And if that's throwing whole wire, then your moods are going to be unstable because you're not communicating well from your brain to your body. So

I break it down the three aspects of that. And then of course the adrenal burnout is a big um you know, is a big problem in this country because we rely a lot on quick fixes such as um multiple top coffee, captinge drinks and things like that for a quick energy boost. And then largely is sleep. You know, most of us are about probably about three hours of sound sleep at night and the rest is talking and turning, and a sleep deprivation where you're just not completely rested,

so you're not getting full seven cycles sleep. So what I do is I address all three of those aspects of what's making us thickn tire through a really really strong kind of cookbook or foods that um you can make it about sin minutes, and an exercise program that works each week. It changes, So each week your food changes and each week your workouts changed, um, and it

progressively get harder and it progressively get more intended. What you talked about resetting our adrenal glands in the book, what what causes that adrenal burnout and what are some of the remedies for it? Well, the biggest cause is too much coffee. So we should never be having more than two cups of coffee a day. UM. That's that's number one. So UM, you know, coffee and power drinks and caffinated drinks and even green tea extracts and things like that, um, are are just not good for if

it's taken too much. And then number one cause of adrenal burnout is stressed. So anxiety and stress. So maybe a stressful job, maybe a household that isn't running as commutely as you like it. Maybe your relationship, your marriage or partnership. UM, maybe you're working up the ladder after college and you've got a big you know, uh, college bill, and you're trying to start at a lower income job.

I mean, these are all really very strong stressors. Um. With the economy, a lot of people have had a tremendous adrenal breakdown because of the stress of the economy. After the two thousand and eight crash, people just didn't recover as well. And I know it's a huge difference in my clientele and how they were handling anxiety after that crash, a huge difference. Um. You can do things such as the eat adrenal cleansing snacks that are super

charged and really seen that energy. And that's like garbanzo beans, a ver a veggie salad or avocado sandwich with sprout, um, oatmeal with mixed berry on it, carrots and hummus, apple and walnuts, seller in any kind of nut butter. So these are all adrenal planting foods. Um. Yeah. So I am in the first couple of days of attempting to scale back my caffeine intake a great deal and uh it's uh, I think my adrenal glance might be kind

of burned out, but I'm I'm getting through it. But by this time of the day, I'm I usually re up with some some coffee or energy drink. Okay, yeah, let me please give you a little tips. Um. And it's a surprising and simple tip. Um. I'm cold water. Get yourself like a good leader of water. Um, either in a refillable bottle with b p A, you know, not having toxic plastics. Um, and take that and get yourself as a leader and keep it in the fridge ice cold water, and then add a tablespoon of linen

to that. It's a tremendous energy booster if it's ice cold. And yeah, so instead of your afternoon coffee, instead of your asternion energy drink, try that and drink the entire leader. So it's not for enjoyment purposes. And it's not to quench your thirst. It's literally too quickly. Um, kind of clean your liver and quickly give you an energy booth to drink it quickly and drink the entire thing. Um,

And that really really helps. I was addicted to coffee and where I had to have tea cups every morning, and I was even human, like, there's no way I could conceive of walking out of my house without two cups of coffee in the morning for years. Um, and I started saying, you know, I'm just feeling like I'm having tea cups in the morning and then I'm having

a cup in the afternoon because I enjoy coffee. Um, and I started saying, Okay, I'm gonna have one cup in the morning and I'm gonna drink a leader of ice cold water with women. Then in the afternoon, I'm like, well that really works. I feel good on one cup of day. And then in the afternoons they started doing that because you really shouldn't be drinking coffee task me, um, because it can mess with your three cycles and most people drink it at what to to the four o'clock

for an energy boost. So, UM, just try that and see if that helps. I'm not saying it's going to be as effected as caffeine, but it will definitely pick your stuff up. UM. And like I said, your liver is the um. It's the origin responsible for metabolizing everything, toxins, alcohol, fat, weed, everything. So the cleaner your liver is running, the better and more energy and the better you're feeling, and the more

energy you'll have. I will give that a try A drink a lot of water but I will try the ice cold one leader in a fell swoop with lemon. So you say that our health crisis runs deeper than our weight, What do you mean by that? Well, you know, like I referred to the nuclear for the d n A of the cell when I that's the disease control, and so or is responsible to disease control. Okay. So the issue is is with our process diet. So every

our food has changed greatly since ilis young. So in the seventies and the eighties, for instance, we didn't have nearly as many chemicals and nearly as much processed food and process soy and process porn and everything in our diet. It just was not um is prevalent. So we didn't have the kind of issues that we're having, especially with children and fertility issues that we're having today. Um. So, the issue is if you can't do anything for yourself,

at least go with your meat and your dairy. So anything that comes from an animals go to free range. So if you can do any good choice for yourself, go to a free range. I'm telling you I've put people on just an organic diet and not changed what they ate. But I put them on an organic, free range diet and they lost and dropped weight naturally just going from a process diet to an organic diet. And

the reason is because UM. In terms of disease, I write an entire chapter about disease and particular foods that we're eating UM. But the issue is UM, you know, cancers and things like this. Now the FDA is really really looking very clearly because of all the studies UM with the correlation of cancer and UM, you know, particular processes of food. So just really, really really organic as

a way to go. And if you can spend your last time not poisoning yourself, that is a wise, wise choice and you will feel much better on an organic diet much And I think you're gonna keep yourself off the surgery table, the surgery table and out of the doctor's office longer for sure. In your book, the first part of the diet is UM. I'm interested in in why it's, why it's that way, and then how it changes.

Is an entirely vegan diet, which is something that I spent I've eaten mostly vegan for about the last I don't know year year in a couple of months. I'm curious why that's the first part of your diet. What

benefits you see from that? Because I wanted people to feel such a drafted change and their energy and then there the way they felt, UM that I had to really really give them the cleanest diet possible, which is why I really carefully chose certain fruits and vegetables and combination with certain proteins and gave them a diet that I thought was tasty, because that's my number one issue is it's got a taste cut so tasty, but also

it's going to make a shock of a difference. So for instance, if you do a vegan cleanse or my vegan cleans after about two days, you're gonna feel like a different person. You're gonna notice your skin text or changes. You're gonna notice your eyes change a little bit. You're gonna notice that your energy levels are up. UM. And that's what I wanted to do is really shock the system from a processed diet to a vegan diet. And

then we introduce free range meat as we go. UM. And it also is um paired up with a particular type of workout each week as you go. So first is the vegan Okay, the shock the system and to really claim to the cells and give you a kind of energy so that you'll want to mentally want to move forward. You know, I always call it tricking the brain. You know, you as human beings, we want to sabotage. It's human nature. We want a sabotage and we want

to go, many of us to the easiest route. Um, So the issue is you've got to kind of trick that brain. And if you can be varying your diet and kind of be progressive with your diet and make changes each week or so, didn't intrigues you, it interest you, It challenges you. And so I know that about human nature, so I kind of tried to really really address that in this book. So we go from vegan and then the next phase is the fully thirty, which is the zone which we still know is the best way to eat.

And in the next phase, as we get into ladder train, which is a little bit more intrinse style of free weight training, we get into a higher protein and neal tiny recommends. And here's Eric with the rest of the interview. You mentioned that you used to have depression. You talk about how you largely healed that in yourself. You know, listeners know I've depression of something I've battled on and off.

I think a lot of the people on the show do, and and I think that you and I would probably both agree that exercises one of the very best antidepressants that there is. Give give some thought, um, maybe on how people who are stuck right now not exercising, Because when you're not exercising at all and you're in that depressed state, getting going can be so hard. So what are some tips for people who aren't gonna, aren't going to um, you know, hire a train or what are

some ways to at least get the ball rolling for them? Well, I think you have to make very easy goals for yourselves. So for instance, it started from me just by walking. Um. My college, it so happened, was about forty one blocks total from my dormant boy. So instead of taking the bus when I was eighteen, I started walking. I got up you know a little earlier, and I started walking. And I walked the entire way there, the entire way back. And I noticed a big change in just a couple

of weeks. Not only am I ways, um, but because I I gained weight my first year my freshman year. So not only did my weights fail back, um, but I noticed that I was feeling more alert in class. I was feeling brighter, I was feeling um less shy, more eye contact as people. These are the benefits of

exercise that come with that. UM. It's it's I always says, the way you carry yourself when you've moved your body and made a good choice with your body, an explosion of chemistry happened during a little, even atween minute bout of exercise. An explosion of chemistry happens, and connections between brain and body are are made and um and in that explosion there's a feeling of well being, being in balance that you that you would have to take like

a proxact or will low to get to you. UM. And so you know, that's what we get from exercise and what we have to remember. And like I said, even starting with a ten minute walk, even golden, just around your same block in fifteen times is enough. Then you start timing and say okay, I'm gonna run and then to run around this block once and then I'm the walk it. And then then so you make a

little set a little gold to yourself. UM. And uh I, I always love you know, UM classes, I have to tell you, after what twenty four years of training myself, just myself, six days a week, almost you know, my entire adult ice. UM I enjoy classes. I like the energy to support system. I like the healthy minded people are all there for the same reason that we're respecting and love in our body and UM I get a

lot of pick up from that. So UM classes are more affordable, especially in other parts of the Yeah, parts of the country the kind of expliment l a but in other parts of the country they're more affordable. All you have to do is google your town, google the same you like, and I guarantee you will find it. There are classes all around you. If you like hip hop dance, that's the workout. If you like plots, that's

the workout. If you like yoga, that's the workout. And do the thing that you've always wanted to do are kind of are excited about. If you wanted to learn how to rollerblade, I mean that's kind of dating me. But if you wanted to learn how to do anything, UM, you can incorporate that to do the things that you think you want to do and that are fun for you don't keep the things just because you think you should. So, for instance, I know free weight training is the best

out of training. It's going to get your body and your mind in the quickest way possible to the best place possible is free weight functional training. Now, a lot of women don't like that solid training. So do I try to force my method of training down this road? No, I don't. I say, well, let's find something that you enjoy doing, then let's do it three times a week. You know what I'm saying. So, I think that's the key. Exercise is so important. Like I said, it changed my life.

I've changed. I've trained thousands of clients with two gyms to medical clinics, and I'm telling you, in a week's time, I've got a client now. Actually, our fourth session in, I already noticed a big difference of his body. So does he and he feels amazing. He feels amazing. Fourth session in. So that's four hours of training. Four hours. That's it. It does make a huge difference. It's kind of the the number one thing that, at least with myself,

if I'm like, why am I feeling so loud? I can usually look and go, oh, well, I didn't exercise in the last three days or whatever. It's it's almost it's it's very clear for me. It's funny to me that something that's that good, that makes me feel that good still sometimes can be that challenging to do. I don't quite understand what the why it works that way. You think something as good as exercise would just be

right at the top of the list. And maybe it seems like for some people they cross over into that where they just love it all the time. Well, I think people that cross over and love it all the time are definitely people that UM are taking and stay a negative pratch pct is maybe UM drugs, alcohol, UM and certain like shaberry foods negative foods UM, and they are have triggered it for a positive pretch which is

what we all try to teach in my industry. Okay, you know the things you're doing that your body doesn't like. There are the things you're doing that you're braining we're really that's the right. There are the things that are making your energy just kind of yuck. And and why you're not opening doors while you're not getting promoted, why you're not getting along with your partner. These are the things and then how, and then what are the positive

stuff that we can bring in? And a couple of things that I don't just deal with a client by training them. I also talk about what can we do. UM is a creative outlet really defined you define you UM, because you're not just your job. Most people don't enjoy

their jobs so much. So to those people that don't enjoy their job and don't have passion for their job, they need something that they feel that they're good at and if they are created, So we try to find things like peeping, or writing or poetry or any kind of you know, music. I mean, there's so many things that you can do now that can make you feel great about yourself. So I direct all those issues, which if you've gone to my website, you see that there's

it's a very net a website. There's a lot of creativity on it, yep. And so let's maybe transition into that a little bit. On your website, you say that when you turned forty you kind of fell into a crisis. Can you describe maybe what led up to that crisis and what that crisis was like for you? Well, I think that UM, to be honest, I was working on I don't love filming television, and my life at that time was TV, and I did love the process of reality TV. UM, the TV I was doing, I wasn't

really um, you know, super positive about UM. And that was my job. And I've just never been a person that, you know, UM, could just do a job. Say, you know, you shoot the teen hours a day, six or seven days a week, it's pretty intant. And so I was impersont to just do that and not feel a repercussion from that, like maybe I'm doing something that I didn't love doing and that I wasn't a hundred percent out of. And and so I think I kind of you know, went down the path that I was not living to

my potential quite frankly. And so you know, it's seeming seemingly I had the whole world. Um, you know, I had a new book deal, I had do do do deals, I had contracts, I had a TV show and all of that, but it just wasn't exactly what I loved doing. I stopped training people at that time because I got

too busy with the brands. You know, the brands can completely encompass you and take your life over, and so I stopped doing the thing that really gave me a satisfaction of personal satisfaction, which is one on one training. And I think that was a big mistake. I sold my dam at that time, big mistake because I no longer then I started working out of my house or traveling lot as opposed to going in and inspiring on a daily basis and working with other people that were inspiring.

So I would say a lot of change occurred in my life, um as a business owner and as a personal trainer, and then it's a TV personality and it just wasn't It wasn't working for me at the time. So what did that crisis look like for you when when you kind of went into it. I know myself so well. I work on myself. Every day is a chance for me to grow, you know, one of those where I love just that goal to myself on a daily basis. I love to achieve them at the end

of the night. I assess it. Um. I know myself very very well. I'm very in touch. So you what, maybe somebody else's idea of completely um having a spiral is never my idea. I still went to the gym every day. I still eight well every day. I still was a loving daughter and family member, a loving friends, a loving partner, so all of those things. So but I wasn't happy. I knew that I wasn't happy, and it's something felt a little false to me. And and and that's what was kind of under my skin and

bothering me. But in terms of like doing anythings, you know, like, uh, destructive, No, I'm just not a self destructive person. Um, And that comes from years of gaining respect for yourself. You know, they're self destructive because you you're you have don't have enough respects for yourself and you constantly make bad decisions. Um, So that's not gonna happen with me. You're never gonna like,

look at T and Z and see that. I went on it an alcoholic dinge where I was driving drums down msry you're doing so you're never gonna see it out and you never will. But um, it just was a feeling of just like I'm just not happy for a couple of years, the last a couple of years, and then I did some growth and now I'm I'm I feel very very well adjusted. What do you think is the lesson that has taken you the longest to learn in your life. The lesson for me personally is

is be kinder to yourself. Don't be so perfection like, be a perfectionist with yourself. It's funny. I'm not a perfectionist with others at all, but I'm a perfectionist with my body, myself, what I've achieved, what I gained, my money, things like God, I'm very very hard on myself, on my biggest critic and on my biggest stand but on my biggest credit. And sometimes I can just say, oh my gosh, your expectation of yourself is so off the charts.

You're never going to be satisfied. And that's that's pretty so. Um. I think my my biggest learning lesson is is just be kind to yourself, you know, be be nicer with that internal voice that steeps key throughout the day and night. Um. And and the way you would treat a client they time, you should be treating yourself. I would never say things to a client that I say sometimes internally or have in the past to myself, you know. Um. So I just to be as loving to yourself as you are

with the ones around you. Yeah, I think that's an interesting way to think about self talk. I was talking with someone about that the other day and and exactly like you, like you just said, I was like, well, if you were trying to help a friend do this, you would never talk to them that way. You wouldn't let him completely off the hook either, Right, if it was a friend who you cared about, you would you would be you would tell the truth, but you would

tell it in a kind way. Yeah, it was tough love. So I in fact, I just met with the fund for lunch today and there was a little tough love in that conversation. So you know, but that tough love starts with thanks. My friends. Listen, you are beautiful, you're an intelligent, you've you, you have so much going for you.

You're this, you're that, you're this, you're dad. So you know, let's think of why you might be engaging in this sort of the hinder right now and what that could be coming from, you know, and um, where this lack of confidence is coming from. Well, you know, that's a that's a loving way. It's a tough love, but it's a loving way to discuss where's this lack of confidence coming from at this moment? What's it tied to I to myself back in in the day would be like,

oh my dust, shut up, snap to it. You've got this, you know, I would be so neat. And I think a lot of a lot of us have that internal clock like Okay, you're fat, you're ugly, you look at

yourself in the mirror. I mean, I know a lot of my past clients that are overweight or obese, which it doesn't take much to be obese, but um, they wake up and the first thought and I mean the first thought that comes into their head in her awaken state is one of disgust and of also negativity about their body image, and that it nearly makes me want to cry for them because I have the blessing in

my life and I say this to them. I wake up in the morning feeling strong, feeling powerful, excited, um and feeling my end, loving my body, and I want that opportunity for you because it's the greatest feeling in the world to wake up feeling that way. And I

want that for you so bad. But so let's work on that together where we can get And it's just amazing how you have to start right with that negative reframing and change that the way you speak to yourself and and uh, mainly, and I think that's so true, that being so hard on ourselves and hateful to ourselves. Although it seems like on one level that would be motivational, it's usually so exhausting that it ends up not being motivational.

Whereas that approach that you said more of, I want to do this out of a sense of caring about myself versus I'm bad, it seems to just produces much better results. It does. It produces their actual studies about this, by the way, and it produces long term results. So in the short term, screaming at yourself inside of your brain and telling yourself how disgusting and what a kid you are, and if Matt gets the genitor, short term

that work. It does. It works port term, Um, taking a picture of yourself in a bikini that you don't like and then flattering and putting that on that fridge. Yeah, that works short term. It does not work long term. We know this now. Um. Long term is simply saying, oh, gosh, you know, I'm at work and this kid and birthday taking stuff down. Do I want that or what? I rather just go and have my snack it's in the fridge that I've prepared for myself or boiled egg, like

do you know what's the best decision and why? So it's just you know, realizing did my body want that? What does my body wants there? And I love my body, so let's get it this thing that wants you know, that kind of talk is good. Like I wake up every morning, I don't want to work out, to be honest, not as I'm like, because I look out so intensely for myself that um, sometimes I don't want to put

that effort out and so um. But I said, wait a second, I always so much dower after I work out, and at so much point energy after I work out, and I sleep better that night after I work out. Okay, let's go. You see. So it wasn't that I was like, Oh, you're gonna get overweight, or you're gonna not look good in miss photoshooting, you're gonna look disgusting, or you're not gonna feel good about yourself, and never do that because

it's not effective. You've got a quote I'm not sure where I saw it of yours that says, never think of a health program is depriving yourself think of it as giving yourself the most loving gift of all. And that's true. It is giving yourself the most loving gift and it comes from self esteem. How do you build self esteem? It starts when more children, we've got a goal for our alls many meaning maybe grades at school, that test, we study for that test, we get an

ad on that test, we feel good about ourselves. As the self esteem the same thing as adult. Um. We set a small goal, not large, but a small, doable goal that's realistic in our actual lifestyle, not in my lifestyle, but your lifestyle, your individual lifestyle, and say, Okay, it's not realistic to me to cut off process without but it is realistic for me to add some spinach and um an apple a day. So I can I can do that. I can add you spinach at an apple

a day. So just adding that to existing bad diet is something that your body craves and loves and that you will feel a different from. So adding good foods to the bad so and then at the end of the day you're like, I did my body from nutrients really crazy. They're good for it and it helps fight disease and automne disorders. Great. I did a good job to and you feel good about yourself. So it's a doable goals. And again, you know it comes from self esteem.

If you think you're worth it, then you start making changes. If you think you're worth it things with hope. If you have hope, you will always being sort of an excitable and state in life. If you lose hope, which many people do, then that's when big problems come, big problems, and that's when we start relying on on our negative crushes. So there has to be like, you know, hope for yourself, hope for you know, changing your UM, your level of sickness,

your level of energy and um. Then just making that very attainable goal. Right. Yeah, we always say on the show, start small and then connect the dots, you know, if you can, if you can just make you know, a little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing, which is where a lot of us find ourselves. Yeah. I don't like vegetables. I I just don't like vegetables, if you can believe that. But works like to be

eating for stories of vegetable today. So what I do if I sneak it in to things, you know, like my pro team shakes For instance, I love fruit, but I don't like vegetables. So it's it's spinach in there, because spinach is a vegetable that's not too strong and you can't even taste it. So I put some spinach in there. And then and after me some time, Um, I will take and I will microL wave microL wave a big like two cups of broccoli for like a minute and a half in the microwaves, and I gulp

it down with a fork. Is that the best way to make it? No, But it's the only way I'll make it. It's the only I'm gonna say. But I'm not going to sit there and get a steamer out at four o'clock or five o'clock in the afternoon and steam myself some broccoli that I don't even like and eat it. But I will get to the cup frozen broccoli, I'll microwave it and I'll gulp it down like a vitamin. So this is what I'm talking about, and I feel

good about myself. Oh I got I got two vegetables today. Great, Yeah, I did it. So we're near the end of her time. I'd like to ask you one last question and eat you know, people who are you're you've been You've been very successful, You're very ambitious. Um. I'm always curious about how people balance this in their life, which is the you know, the paradox of being ambitious and striving to be better with also with also being able to accept where we are in life and enjoying it in the moment.

How do you how do you handle that paradox if you don't already have it? You have to change your view of failure. Okay, So for instance, um, I've had things in the last couple of years that have not gone my way. I could look at that as a monumental failure and fust be negative about it. But I could say, Okay, that road was not the road that I should have gone down. Let me try this road. Let's see if I can get to my goal but

in a different way. Or let's say change my goal and make it more realistic, to set myself up to have more positive results. So that's kind of what psychologically we need to do instead of if you don't get what you want, Listen, you write a business plan, you put you save all your money, you get an investor, you start a business. It's like having a child and the business doesn't go well. I see it every day. I see restaurants that come and go in six months time.

It's always part of writing to me because I know what that business owner who's invested into that business. But what do you do with that? You say, well, I'm a failure. I'm not going to open a restaurant again, or I'm not gonna, you know, try to do anything again. No you don't. You say, Okay, now, what what's next? You always have to kind of intrigue and excite yourself because you are the most important person. If you're not right, the people around you aren't right. And that means exids too.

If you're not right mom and dad, the kids aren't right. So it's most important that you invest in yourself and be the best that you can be. And part of that is the way you look at your life. Um about failures and in essence, I don't believe I've had one failure in my life because I refused to look at it that way. But I've had many notes and I've had disappointment. Excellent, Well, Jackie, thanks so much for taking the time to be on the show. I've really

enjoyed the conversation. Thank too. I really did too, Thanks so much, Have a great evening. Okay, As many of you know, Eric has been doing some one on one coaching sessions and we figured instead of us telling you about it, we would just let up participant in the program share what they thought. And here's what one client

had to say about working with Eric. I really enjoyed his approach to coaching because I like one thing he said is that, you know, I call it coaching for kind of lack of a better word, because a lot of the times in the past I would be a bit turned off by kind of personal coaching and like, you know that kind of thing, you know, when people use those sorts of terms, i'd be a bit disengaged.

When I listened to his podcast, though, he seemed like very genuine, you know what I mean, and he's just sort of thought a lot about, you know, just being a better person. It's not it's not all about personal effectiveness, even though that's a which part of it. It's just about trying to be a better person and trying to give as much as you can give. So yeah, I really liked his his genuineness. For those of you interested in someone on one coaching with Eric. Be sure an

email him at Eric at one you Feed dot Net. Thanks. You can learn more about Jackie Warner and this podcast at one you Feed dot Net slash Jackie