Dr. Tererai Trent on Incredible Perseverance

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for joining us. Our guest on this episode is Dr terror I Trent, one of the most internationally acclaimed voices for women's empowerment and quality education, held by Oprah Winfrey as her all time favorite guest. Dr Trent is an inspiring and dynamic scholar, educator, humanitarian, motivational speaker, author, and the founder of terror I International. Her book is The Awakened Woman, Remembering and Reigniting Our Sacred Dreams. Hi, terror Hi,

welcome to the show. Thank you for having me, Eric, Thank you. I'm really excited to talk with you. Your book is called The Awakened woman remembering and reigniting our sacred dreams. And it's a wonderful book. I've heard you speak so many times, and so this is going to be a great episode. Let's start like we normally do with the parable. There's a grandmother who's talking with her granddaughter and she says, in life, there are two wolves

inside of us that are always at battle. One is a good wolf, which represents things like kindness and bravery and love, and the other is a bad wolf, which represents things like greed and hatred and fear. And the granddaughter stops and she thinks about it for a second, and she looks up at her grandmother. She says, well, grandma, which one wins? And the grandmother says, the one you feed. So I'd like to start off by asking you what that parable means to you in your life and in

the work that you do. It though it's a different partable, but it is the same meaning, because you know, when I was growing up, I would find myself sitting with my grandmother, my mother, and the elders of the village around and open fire and listen to these great stories. And there was one story that struck so deep within me the story of the hunger, and my grandmother would always talk about the two hungers in our life. There is the little hunger and there is the great hunger,

and should always say which hunger are you feeding? The little hunger is all about immediate gratification. The little hunger as they leave us craving for instant gratification, constant praise, material position, and other things that create that falls sense of self and leave us always feeling anxious, competitive, and ungrateful. But then there is the greatest of all hungers, which

is hunger for a meaningful life. My grandmother would always say, ultimately we become bitta when we lead a life without meaning, because the great hunger drives us towards meaning in life, finding peoples in life, knowing that it's not the little hunger that's going to lead our life, but we find meaning when we tap into that great energy that comes deep within us. That's the great hunger. So when I listen to your parable, I see the great hunger being

the one we need to feed more than the little hunger. Yeah, that's a beautiful interpretation, and I love that story. The thing that I think is so interesting sometimes at least this is for me is that sometimes the great hunger and the little hunger are very close together. Listeners of the show have heard me talk about this before. There are times that I approach what I'm doing here from a deep sense of love and service and all of that.

And then there are times that I start worrying about downloads, you know, I start working, and so I find that like I have to watch because it's like I can look at almost the same thing either from the great hunger or the little hunger point of view, and the little hunger, for me, if not manage well, sucks the joy out of the great hunger. Stuff. Oh yeah, because what the little hunger does is it creates that tape recording ourselves that says we are not good enough, that

says I want that, I want this. But when we dig deep within ourselves and find that great hunger, we begin to ask ourselves what is it that our soul ends? What is it that we truly need? And I always say to the audience and to the women that I coach, ask yourself what breaks my heart? Because it is in those moments of our brokenness. It is in those moments

when we feel overwhelmed. Those are the moments when we listen very carefully, those are the moments we begin to understand who we are, to understand what is its stake, to understand what needs to be done. We begin to

find solutions within us, which is equally as prestigious. I think as Oprah, No, that's very true, because if I had not gone through the challenges that I had gone through in my life, and if I had not hold on to the belief that my dreams are achievable, I doubt very much I'll be here with you, in your platform, in your presence. So I started way back. I was born in Rhodesia. My country is known as Zimbabwe, but I was gone during a colonial regime that never respected

the black people and never respected women. So I always say I come from a long line of generations of women who were married when they were very young, before they could define their own trips. My great grandmother was married off when she was very young. My grandmother would follow the same pathway as my mother, and it's myself. And so by the time I was eighteen, I was already a mother of four children. Unfortunately, one of the babies died as an infant because I failed to produce

enough milk to feed the child. I was a child myself, but all I wanted was in education. And when I look at all these generations of women before me, there were smart women, intelligent women, but because of the agenda, they were denied the right to education. I always talk about my grandmother. My grandmother was this wise woman, the psychologist of the community. I grew up in a poor rural community with no running water, no electricity, nothing, nothing

at all. I lived in these hearts that were built out of poles and dagger in the flaws were made out of cowdown. That's where I grew up, and we were very poor. But my grandmother what was interesting was every evening they would come, the community members and people from foul would come not get her door, to ask you to go and deliver babies. And should we end up delivering so many babies in the community and far and an interesting story that I I always share, but

I don't have shared it on podcasting. My grandmother, as she was getting old, she would always um shake her hands and she would shake in it in a way that she could not control her hands, and she would lose and her eyes were failing as well, and so my grandmother would always say, baby Gail, baby Guil, do you know why my hands shake? And I would say no. She said, look at the ends, look at this in the wisdom Visians bring thecans. They've delivered so many babies,

and these eyes they are failing me. But look at these eyes. These eyes they're failing me. They're getting blind because these eyes they have seen so many vaginas. No longer, no wonder why I am blind. And I would laugh. And Auntie, in that moment of your vulnerability, in trying to tell you a story, she was telling me that she was not defined by her poverty, she was not defined by illiteracy, but she was defined by her wisdom. And she wanted me to have that wisdom. So I

never had an opportunity to go to kindergarten. I started my school when I was already late and got married. Uh, I guess when I was about fourteen years of age. And as I said, I was. I had four babies when I was eighteen, and I realized I was following the same pathway that generations of women before me had followed. And then we gained independence. All of a sudden, they ware these Americans Australians coming into the community, and there

was this particular woman. She came and found me sitting in a circle with other women and asked me one fundamental question, what I your dreams. I had never heard anyone asked me that question. And I am looking at this foreign woman and thinking, me, black woman, marginalized, I'm supposed to dream. You must be kidding me. And I'm thinking to myself, and I kept quiet. The other women talked about their dreams of educating their children, of making

sure that there was food within their household. I kept quiet. I I knew I had dreams, but somehow I couldn't bring my voice to articulate those dreams to this tepe recorder that was sending me from sharing my dreams. So I kept quiet. The woman looked at me and she said, young woman, you've been quiet, Tell me what are your dreams? Maybe it was the way she looked at me, Maybe it was the way she kept on nudging at me. When I opened my mouth, I became a charter box

and I said, I want to go to America. I want driven undergraduate a master's in the PhD. There was silence. The other women looked at me. And I could feel their eyes on me, saying, how dare you say that you don't even have a high school education? You even talk of America? What about the abusive husband that you have? How are you going to go to America? How are

you going to leave your children behind? And the stranger I didn't know her name, but she introduced her name, but by then I didn't even record what a name was. But she looked at me and right into my eyes. I remember that moment, and she said, terrorized. If you believe in your dreams and you work hard, they are achievable. I couldn't believe it. I've never heard anyone. I've never heard anyone say to me my dreams are achievable. Here

I was an abused to women, marginalized and silence. How can somebody, a stranger from some other place say that I can achieve my dreams? Can say I can go to America? And she said to me, I I think she's so doubt in my eyes, and she began to tell me about her organization and how she has seen women like me achieving their own dreams. I believed it. That's all I wanted as a poor mother is an African poor mother. I wanted to hear that. I She used the word tino bona, which means it is achievable.

I ran to my mother and I said to my mother, I met someone who really believed that I can achieve my dreams. And my mother said, something, Terry, if you believe in what this stranger is safe to you. And remember, we're just getting our independence. And we had never seen so many white people, and especially white women coming into our neighbors because we lived in an apatheid regime where there was a separation between white and black. So I've

never been in contact with white people. And to give this woman sitting right there next to me and touch me and look right into my eyes and say yes, that's all I needed. So my mother said, if you believe in what this stranger has said, and you work hard and you achieve your dreams, not only are you going to define who you are as a woman, you're also going to define every line that comes out of

your womb and generations to come. And I realized in that moment that my mother was handing me an inheritance. She realized I wanted to break this cycle of povert, this vicious cycle of poverty that runs so deep in my community. So I told my mother, here are my dreams that I just shared with this stranger to go to America undergraduate masters and PhD. And my mother said, right down your dreams and bury them the same way

we bury the humbilical court, the bath court. In my culture, I come from a place where when a child is born, the elders of the village, the ones that I call the wisdom whisperers, my grandmother's they would take that infant umbilical code, cut it off, and take the mother's dress, a piece of the mother's dress which they cut and tie the umbilical cord, and bury that umbilical code deep down under the ground, with the belief that when this

child grows, wherever they go, whatever happens in their life, the umbilical code will always remind them of the importance of their birthplace. So my mother said, bury your dreams. Your dreams will always remind you of their importance, that you need to break this cycle of poverty. And my grandmother would always remind me of this rest that I

always talk about, the rest of the baton. I would always visualize my great grandmother because that's the last woman that I know of in my and when she was born out always think she was born in this rest, the really rass holding this baton, and she's running so fast with this baton. She runs to hand over this paton to my grandmother. And this baton I call it the baton of poverty, the baton of ir literacy, the

baton of early marriage, the baton of abuse. But also my grandmother would always tell me that it wasn't only the ugly baton that is being passed as she runs this rest, there's also the baton of wisdom. So she runs so fast with this baton of early marriage, literary, she passed it on to my grandmother. My grandmother grapes that baton. She runs so fast, she passed it on to my mother. My mother grapped that baton of poverty, the paton of i literancy. She ran so fast with

that baton. She runs so fast, and she hands it over to me. Something happened. I never wanted that baton. I never wanted that rest. It wasn't part of my rest. I wanted to receive only the wisdom that was part of that baton. And fortunate enough, that's when Joela came in, and so my mother said to me, terror, I, even though you have received and taken on this paton, but you can change this paton, redefine this paton, and never

pass it on to your own girls. So when I grapped that baton, I knew I needed to change that baton. So when my mother said, right down your dreams, I wrote four dreams at first to go to America undergraduate, master's and PhD. And when my mother asked me to read back those dreams, she said, I only see you having four dreams, your personal dreams. But let me remind you this. Your goals in life will be more achievable

when they are connected to the greater good. I had no idea what my mother was talking about, and I looked at my mother. My mother saw the confusion in my face because I was an overwhelmed woman. I was poor, I lived in an abusive marriage. I wanted to change my life, and my mother said, your dreams will have greater meaning when they are tied to the betterment of your community. I would end up writing my fifty dream. When I'm done, I want to come back and improve

the lives of women and girls. So the girls. They don't have to go through what I had gone through. These women that I talk about, my great grandmother, my grandmother, my mother, and myself, we were all exchanged for a cow is part of marriage, and I didn't want my own girls to be exchanged for a freaking cow. I know they say it's part of culture, but I am refusing. Culture is beautiful, Culture brings value, Culture build us. But

I think it's just customs. You know, when we build our own homes in America, we do a custom built house. So somehow, some where men decided we need to pay a cow to get a woman. So it's a custom. It's not culture. That I got that very clearly, so I didn't want my girls to go through that. So it took me eight years after I buried my dreams to get my high school education. Eight years of failing,

but eight years of never giving up. When you say that you buried your dreams, sometimes in America, if we hear that bury your dreams means like bury them and give up on them. You're talking about burying them like a seed in the soil. In my language, the word to bury in plant and the same and my grandma that when you when she says very She says, you bury from the weather so the termites won't get to your dreams. You are planting your dreams so you could

see them grow and grow. And my mother would always say that and should say, go to that place where you buried your dreams so that you can invoke them. You can manifest them, so you could see them grow and grow. So I'll spend hours and hours sitting in that place where I had buried my dreams and make those mental images what my life would be if I achieve those dreams. And she would further ask me to say, feel as though you're already living in those dreams. So

I'll visualize myself getting into that aeroplane. And remember, I've never seen an aeroplane in my life. The only aeroplane that I knew were the helicopters, the war helicopters. I was born and bred during the war the world that liberated my country, so there would be these helicopters that

would come and drop bombs into my community. So I would always visualize those helicopters is a roplanes taking me to this place called America, and I would visualize myself seeing these to buildings beautiful buildings, and I would see myself on campus when a university, carrying books, walking into a classroom, and that helped me because it was fantasy, but it really helped me to believe and to ground myself in these dreams. And so after eight years, I

gained my high school diploma. You know, it was a long process because maybe I wasn't smart, but we we didn't have enough money to pay for all my correspondence because I couldn't go to a classroom. I wasn't I was an adult and I couldn't fit into a classroom.

So I would do correspondence and we were still under the British system of education, where I would do my paperwork and send and go to this Row post office and send these papers to this place somewhere in Britain called Cambridge, and I would wait three six months for the results to come, and they will always come in a brown envelope. And open that brown envelope. I remember the first of the the time I opened that brown envelope and I see I have a you, and then F

you and graded F failure. And how I relied on My mother was a subsistence farmer. She would collect every penny. She would sell members and any produce. I needed twenty two about thirty five dollars by subject, and I needed five subjects and I would only take two or three, depending on my mother's income from whatever she sells. And and I'll go back to my mother and I would

say I failed. My mother would say, okay, let me sell these ground mats, let me sell the peannuts and the members, and see she would be held me and at the forty dollars, I would go and and roll and write and wait another six months and that paper comes again, that brown name develope comes and I opened it and there's a you, and there's a and f U graded failure. And I'll go back to my mother. And I was so emotional about it. Even when I

talk about it, I am. I become so emotional because my mother was My mother was very poor, but she wanted me to change my life and should sell the last grain and give me the forty dollars that I

needed and out going right. And after eight years, and I'll find myself opening that brown envelope and realized, after eight years, I have a B and I have an eight And I applied at Oklahoma State university and got accepted and I and I remember getting into that aeroplane and oh gosh, there was this feeling that I've been there before, just sitting in that aeroplane, that aero plane taking me to this place called America. I arrived in America, it was wintertime, and I began to take my classes,

and there was this joy in me. Finally I am here. Finally I have achieved in the first dream of going to America. It was the hardest of all because I didn't have much money to find that trip. And I remember I used to do community development work and I was shot six hundred forty dollars for my air fair. I didn't have any scholarship, nothing, And I went to my mother and I said, I don't think I can go. I can't pay I can't pay my air fair. I

am short six hundred forty dollars. My mother looked at me, and I could see tears in her eyes because she knew I had gone through eight years of trying to get my g e D and failing, and then finally I passed. And then I can't get six hundred forty dollars to come to America. My mother without me knowing she would go to the headman, the village, head of the village, and she tells the story that you're not here at Ibery, dear dreams, and she has worked so hard.

I she just don't know how to console her. She won't work up, she won't eat, and he had men say, don't you worry, I'll do something about it. My mother comes back. She never told me what had happened. And one morning my mother woke me up. She said come, come, and I said, no, I'm well. I I didn't want

to even to go to to the kitchen. He said, no, no, come, and I went and I saw the d man sitting in my mother's kitchen and he had pennies and dollars and and discounting, and my mother is validating every penny and say yes, yes, yes. And the headman looked at me and they said the whole village came together and sold everything that they had. Some they sold the goats, some old members and is six dollars for you, you can go to America. And that's how he came to America. Wow,

that is so amazing. What is so staggering to me is that, you know, we talk about achieving our dreams. And it's so easy to get frustrated so quickly, and it took you eight years for the first one. I think because my grandmother would always ask, which hunger are you feeding right now? Is it that voice that says you're worthless, that voice that says you can't go, that voice that says you live in an abusive relationship you

can't do. Or you listen and feed that voice that is deep within you, the great hunger that is within you, that is saying I am seeking for meaning in my life. That's the voice that you feed. That's the hunger that you feel. And so I kept on feed him on that hanger and I and I truly believe that when we feed that hanger, that great hanger, we tapped deep into it. The universe is a way to honor us

because we have remained loyal to our dreams. And I guess that's what happened in my life because when I came to the US, I came with my children. It was tough time. But despite the toughness the challenges, I managed to go through all my classes and graduated my my my undergraduate in agriculture, in my master's in plant pathology. And I went on to work and I worked for Here for International. And I remember applying for this job and I had no idea um what I was going for.

And when I got that job, one day, I am working in this room and this white woman looked at me and she says, I know you. I think I know you. And I am thinking to myself, no, I don't. I've met so many American women I don't. And she said, seriously, I think I know. I think you're from Zimbabwe. And then I looked at it and I realized, oh my gosh, that was the very movement, the woman that I had met some forteen years in my village, the woman who had inspired me to believe in my dreams, the woman

who never saw the marginalized, the woman in me. Maybe she's saw a champion. Maybe she saw something that I wasn't seeing in myself. And now and then is Joel and she is the CEO and president of her for International, and they just employed me as deputy director for Monitoring and Evaluation. And sure enough, my first trip back home with my job, I went back to the place where I had buried my dreams, the place where I had spent hours and hours meditating and visualizing the life I wanted,

and now I am living that life. And I dug my dreams and check going to America, check undergraduate, check my master's, and reburied those dreams. And I came back and I enrolled myself at Western Michigan University, where I achieved my PhD in Monitoring and Evaluation, which is a lot of statistics and measurement for an old woman like me.

I have always been the oldest student in every class that I took, and sometimes older than the professor herself in the professor himself, But I didn't care because I hunger, great hunger that I needed to feed. That I knew Ah who was going to be my passport to achieve in my dreams. So I remember the day that I walked that podium where they were now giving me that paper that now says I'm a PhD holder. I truly

felt like a lawyer. We addressed a cast to yourself as well as to the world, to say that if we give opportunities two women and girls, and especially to those who are torn down and marginalized by the social ills of our times, they can also achieve their dreams.

And I also realizing in that moment when I was working that podium that to be where I am today, to be able to say now I am a PhD holder, it is because I stand, or I stood on the shoulders of others, of many who gave me that opportunity, of many who in their own lives decided to feed on their great hunger, and to be able to see the great hunger in others and inspire that great hunger. I've been inspired by many in my life. Before you

got your PhD, though you are, most gave up. Tell us about that many times I wanted to give up. You know when when when when people see successful people, they always think that, oh my gosh, they never gave up. It was all easy for them, or they're so determined. But let me say that, oh gosh, there were so many moments that I gave up. I remember when my children came to the US three months down the road.

They were brushing their teeth and I could see the guns were bleeding as they were brushing their teeth, and they would call me, Mom, Mom, we're bleeding. And at first I thought, well, maybe because you know, we never brushed our teeth we didn't. We grew up in the village. We never a tooth brush and took best. Maybe that could be it. But then I realized, oh no, when I came to America. Before coming to a Rica, infect my kids used to eat fruits, vegetables and cornmeal. It's

all food that we grew in the village. And all of a sudden, I'm in America. You can't afford fruits and vegetables. They're very expensive. So what do I result to French fries and beggars Because I used to work at these places called McDonald's and whatever. You on campus and out oout bring leftovers, French fries and whatever and fed the kids because many nights we slept hungry and that was the source of food. And if they were

pizzas or what about just gather everything. Even when people live their pizzas, I would say, put them in beg I will take them moment and feed my children, because I didn't want my kids to go und dream. And I guess in many ways it was new food to my kids and it was affecting them. And I I ended up going to the university and there was this guy Dr. Ronder, who was the vice president of student Affairs, and I said, you know, it's one thing to have

a dream. I have a dream and I've worked so hard, but it's another to see my own children going hungry. And he said, well, don't worry about that, as long as you don't mind if we go to the local stores, because there are some stores that can give you left over fruits and vegetables that they would normally throw away because they are getting begged. And I said, no, I

don't mind. How eat them? So we went to the shore and this guy he says, no, we can't do that in case you eat these and if anything happens to your kids, you might end up suing us. And I and I'm so emotional, and I said, no I won't, so you please just give me the fruits and vegetable

so I can feed my kids. And he said, yes, what we're going to do instead of me, rather than me ending you these fruits and vegetables, why don't I put them in a cardboard box and make sure that four o'clock you come here, and I will make sure that the cardboard box is placed the outside near the trash can, and you can piece take your cardboard books

and go home and feed the kids. So because I used to work three three jobs, because I didn't have any scholarship, and I used to take sixt into eighteen hours of course work because in my mind, I thought, if I take more cost work, I'll be able to get out of the university system and find some work. But that proved to be very difficult. Three jobs eighteen hours of coursework and I can care of five kids. That was tough, and I think the toughest time in

my life. And I would always be that trash can late.

I was late, and I would find the cardboard books is already drawn into the trash can, some of the fruits and vegetables are already have already is pelled into the trash can, and I would collect everything, wash and feed my children and ask myself, who am I to even complain that my own children I eating from trash can or from fruits and vegetables that are collected from trash can when I know there are millions of homeless children in Sub Saharan Africa who are eating from trashcans

that I never washed, at least the American trash and someone is washing it. And who am I even to complain that I live in a trailer house in Oklahoma with no air condition, with nothing is delabridated. When it rains, I find myself in a corner with my children and praying that, oh gosh, I walked, the tornado is not going to come to Who am I to complain? When I know in America and in many Western countries, women and men, they are homeless. They live on the streets

where they have no shelter. You know, when I began to think of that, I knew I had an advantage. I was privileged to be in this beautiful country, even to attend classes, even to have food to feed my children, because I could see homeless people, people who had fought in the world, displaying this plot as that they were womeless, they have no shelter. People. We have done great things for America, and we am I to complain? And those

thoughts grounded me. And even though I wanted to give up, but I always think, Gee, if I give up, now, am I saying my little girl who was now ten years old? Am I saying she was going to get married? As I had been? There are the three little girls, though they were younger. If I go and give up. Am I saying they're going to follow the same pathway that my greatgrandmother, my grandmother, and my grandmother and my mother had followed. No, No, there's something beautiful about adversity.

And I tell the stories not to say because you know, I was a victim, because many of your listener may probably think, oh, porter right, she must have been a victim to be married dealty have gone through all that. But let me just say, no, I am not a victim. I am part of the solution. This great handle within me gives me the solution as long as I can tap into it. I am the mistress and master of

my own destiny. That's beautiful. And tell listeners about your kids. Now, my you know, I talk about this paton that had been passed on two from my grandmother to my great grandmother, to my grandmother to my mother. I wanted to redefine that paton. I have a girl that came here when she was hardly nine years old. She graduated with mechanical engineering degree from Oklahoma State University. She's now in Oklahoma. And I have another little girl she came to when

she was hardly four years old. She's now graduating this summer with biomedical degree from Western Michigan University. And I have another little girl, my last born. She's uh at a college in Sacramento, and she has been accepted at one of the universities in in San Francisco. And I can tell you this, my grandkids, even my great grandkids,

are now going to receive this redefined baton. I can visualize my girls running with a different baton, running in this race, and I call that the rest of engineers, the rest of artists, musician, the rest of whatever goodness you can think of. They're passing it on to my grandkids. And my grandkids are going to hold that atton, this paton that had been redefined in passing it on to their own kids. That's what opportunities does. When we are

given that opportunity, we can redefine our lives. And that's the reason why I am doing the work that I am doing, because others have given me that opportunity, opportunities. Others have allowed me to stand on their shoulders. And I want the girls in my community and every way to redefine and run with a different baton. So when I finished my page, Dave, and I am thinking, dear mother, Why did you make me write down that fifth dream to give back? I have no money. How am I

going to accomplish that dream? And that's when I decided to come up with my own titiutes because that strange that woman or like it's said Tina Goona, it is achievable. So I said, I'm going to redesign my T shirts have uh Tino Gona on my T shirts. It is achievable, and I'm going to sell my T shirts go back

home like a champion, build schools. My goodness, I only sold the trend T shirts and mainly to my American friends, and I realized I didn't have a marketing degree, and I was devastated, overwhelmed, and I kept from thinking how an earth was I going to fulfill that fifty dream. I've done everything that I know if I've designed T shirts, have tried to sell them. And then I got a phone call from operah win Free and she donated one point five million dollars US dollars towards that fifth dream.

And today we have build in schools and I just got new numbers from our schools. We have impacted eight thousand kids that have gone through our schools nineteen pouss and our Girls, which was ournhead of to see a large number of girls sitting in classrooms with boys and competing and doing very well. And I just came back from Zimbabwe and worked seven girls into universities and colleges ahead of the school that I'm talking about. All these

schools that we have rebuilt. One of the schools is sixty years old because it was built during the colonial system, colonial era, and that school never had a child going to university. Never And now we have a child. We have a kid we're doing medical um medicine at University of Jury. Another child graduated from the University of Zimbabwe. And now we have seven girls. It was never heard of seven girls into colleges enrolled. That's amazing. It is

truly wonderful. Yeah, well, thank you so much for coming on. We're at the end of our time here. Although I could listen to you talk about this for hours and hours, I know that you are offering listeners some free lessons and so I thought i'd give you a chance to talk about that. Yeah. So, um, you know, I wrote this book, The Awakened Women. Um it it helps women really to understand what silences them. It also helps them to gain the tools to their own awakening. And it's

it is exercises and tools. So what I decided to do is to come up with an online over online classes where individual was who are interested to learn more about how they can also achieve their dreams. The rituals that I also used, uh, the science that I also used in achieving my dreams, it's all packaged in these lessons.

So if you are interested to get a free meditational or audio or one of my lessons, you can go to You can text on your phone fall fall four nine nine nine, so three falls and three nine, and then you wait and then you input feed F E E D and then you get access to the lesson. That's our own special code there feed. Yeah, it is. It is a special code. Because I believe some of your of your listeners, if they're interested, they can you know,

get some of my of my lessons. You know, I I teach about finding your great hanger by asking yourself what breaks my heart? And I think in those moments of our brokenness, that's when we really find a yearning to yield ourselves and also to find solutions to our own problems. I also talk about um dealing from our soul wounds. When I talk about the paton, we all are coming from a place where we have been hindered

some kind of paton. It could be a baton of privilege, It could be a baton of poverty, it could be whatever baton, but that lesson would really help you to dig deep and find ways to get out of that paton in person, in different paton, and I will make sure we link to that in the show notes. I will also make sure there's a link to your foundation also in our show notes. That would be great. That

would be great. Thank you, Thank you so much. This has been a wonderful conversation and I really appreciate you sticking around an extra day in the US to talk to me. That was very kind. Thank you, Thank you. Now I can start packing myself time to go home. Yeah, thank you very much. Eric, I appreciate, thank you. Thank you. If what you just heard was helpful to you, please consider making a donation to the One You Feed podcast. Head over to one you Feed dot net slash support.

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