The game is over, New York. You plate to win the game. He's got a Jet tousdown, can't. You're listening to the Official New York Jets podcast, A Jets three sixty production. What's up, everybody? Thanks for tuning into the Official Jets podcast. E A and I are back from the bye week Thanksgiving Alpis. It's almost like a like a double by in a way, because you have the bye week and then you have a couple of days off and a spotty schedule from Thanksgiving. It's kind of nice.
Are you getting some days off this week? I don't know yet. Well Thanksgiving I feel I figured we're all getting off. Yeah, but it's more of a relaxed time, and any time that there's less traffic on the road, it's like a day off for me. I totally understand that, being someone who used to commute back and forth from Long Island every day, but this league from to clarify, from Jersey to Long Island. Yeah, one know, from Long
Island to Jersey back. Yes, okay. So I would like to ask this question, is the players they came in on Thursday. I know there's no media availability that they probably have an early day on Thursday. Yeah, I believe that. I believe they do, because there's a pool reporter, okay, coming in and who is it? That would be New York Post Brian Costello. I was just gonna ask if it was. I feel like it's a yearly. It's an annual tradition for him coming in on Thanksgiving, the Turkey
Day tradition. Man, maybe maybe he doesn't wanna, Maybe he has some Turkey duties that he wants to get out of. I feel like Thanksgiving us earlier this year and the Jets by was late. So now you have back to back consecutive weeks that are a little bit atypical for the regular season. And are you in Jersey for Thanksgiving? How about you? You're gonna be in the city. No, I'm going to Westchester where my grandma is, Okay, and she's a Jets fan. She is a Jets fan, Yeah
she is. But what's been her take on the season or she just takes it on? She just takes it in every year every year she goes, We're going to the super Bowl. And I've heard that every every year since I've been alive, and every time baseball season comes around, Mets are going to the World Series. Yeah, well she she doesn't follow hockey. She's an internal optimist. We need more of those. Yeah, no doubt about it. She uh. Sometimes she asks me which which ones the Jets are
on the TV. But maybe Dino Babers could have asked her for a pep talk after Racuse played Notre Dame at Yankee Stadium. Yeah, Syracuse did not have a good New York weekend. No, that's okay, and it's unfortunate because they're Brandon New York's college team. I think St. John's New York's college. Yeah, you said that. I don't know, specially from a college basketball perspective. They can't get more city than I don't know where the term New York's
college team comes from. I'll tell you what happened. Some marketing think tank got in a room and said, let's spring us this way. That's how it usually works. Well, when you're driving up eighty one, you see it on on a billboard, and the first time I saw it was just kind of like, what the heck is that thing? Well, hey, listen, we know the Jets are New York team and New Jersey's team, and so are the Giants. You know a
lot of the Bills. Well yeah, well there's a lot of people, especially in Western New York, would say that the Bills are the only National Football League team in New York. But listen that that's not fair because this this Jets fan base, a lot of people is you well know Greens growing up in Manhattan. Um, it extends obviously into New York, and it made its base on Long Island at Awstra for decades before coming for here to Jersey full time, no doubt about it. And I
always got confused. I mean, I'm gonna bring this up because this weekend Jets Patriots Week twelve, both teams coming off of bye week. There's a lot of debate is which states fall to New England and where does the line of New England stop, because it seems to have bled a little larger ones the Patriots and the Celtics and started to win a little more. Yeah, they've been over the last two decades. If you're from the Boston area, you're pretty asthetic by what your sports seems have been doing.
But I would say New England is Massachusetts, Rhode Island in parts of Connecticut, not Vermont or New Hampshire. What about Maine, well that that yeah, yeah, you can throw all those states in there. But like New Hampshire, lived free or die, I don't think you're telling anybody in New Hampshire who the hell they're rooting for. Yeah to Claire five, that's uh, that's on their license plates. Yes it is. But that is their motto. That is the man.
That is something that I lived by. So I'm not telling yeah, all right, well, but yeah, don't don't get in don't get in their way. New England, the Patriots. This is a precedent and run a success. Um. Hopefully we'll never see anything like it again, unless it's for
a team like the Jets. But the Patriots right now with seven to three record, two game lead over the Miami Dolphins, and then FC East the Bills and the Jets three and seven records, and New England's beat Miami already this year once, they are well on their way to securing their tenth consecutive division championship and six out of eighteen years. And for a Jets fan, it makes
your skin crawl. So with all that being said, what do you think about this weekend's Matt jep Because these two teams every they see each other twice a year. They play each other tough, they know each other, and head coach child Bull said it a couple of weeks ago that a f C East games are typically blood baths. I think there are a lot of question marks surrounding the Jets because you don't know what you're gonna get
on Sunday afternoon. Because I think a lot of guys Greens and I would ask you the same question when we're in the locker room after a game. Last that happened to be in Week ten when they lost forty one a ten of the Bills at Mylife Stadium, and I was surprised, but a number of players in the room was said, we had a great week of practice. I think they were shell shocked by what happened out there. Yeah, I think that the Jets weren't shell shocked a little bit,
and they didn't have answers. Yeah, and they got in the whole early. And you've seen it that fast starts are imperative for the Jets. And you told me the other day after we looked it up that the Jets are thirty first in the NFL in first quarter point. Well, they only got twenty four points in the first quarter in the year. I think they scored against Detroit to even things up, but I know they scored ten points
against the Colts. Actually looking back, but during this four game losing streak, they have not scored any points in the first quarter. No. Actually, like Christine corrected, Chris Hernon had a touchdown against the Minnesota Vikings and that game that even things up in the first quarter. But the last three games, the Jets haven't been on the scoreboard.
I wrote just wrote about this right now. Actually, interesting that you just brought this up, is that I think they need something to happen good early and you tweeted it, and it's something we want back and forth about here throughout the week. Is that Ah, historically, in a very recent past, the Jets that played the Patriots tough at home. There's nothing to celebrate about that there. But the stats just tell you, strictly numbers will tell you that the
Jets traditionally played Patriots. They give him a battle. But I mean, you're not looking for uh, there's no moral victories here, and Jets got to find and win, win and win a football game last year in particular, just
to zero in on that game. It was seventeen final with the Jets are on top fourteen nothing, and I don't know, there's a very specific play, so I don't know if you remember it, but Buster Screen had an interception on a deep ball and then he almost had a second interception to where Brady was looking for Rob Gronkowski on the sideline and it went through Busters hands. But Buster could have been looking at another six right there.
And it's a very specific play. But I remember us thinking in the press box that left the door open a little bit. And sure enough, the Patriots came back and they do what they did. But this is New England. Simply just doesn't beat themselves. Yeah, they're the least pedalized team in the NFL. Right now, Here's what I will tell you. That's a great stat Here's what I'll tell you about the Patriots is that I don't see a team that is is dominant as they have been in
the past, especially offensively. When you're watching the Rams and the Chiefs and the Saints. As I got an opportunity to over the weekend, and I think most of America watch Monday night football, I would say those offenses are a high of a lot more explosive than the Patriots. The Patriots still get the job done. I think they're averaging eight points a game, and Brady is still a very good quarterback. But there are certainly kinks in this armor.
Rob Gronkowski is beat up from so many surgeries. He doesn't even have thirty receptions this year because he's been missing a lot of ball games. They think he's gonna be back in the lineup. Sony Michelle has been getting going on the ground. I think he's averaging a little bit over four yards to carry, and and their leading receiver is a guy by the name of James White, was a running back in his fifth year. He's got
sixty six receptions. The next closest guy on that at chart is I don'lman, who missed the first fourty games. Julian I don't want he's got forty receptions. This this is not a team that goes as much downfield as you've seen him in the past. Well, I'm glad you mentioned that, because when you watch the Chiefs and the Rams on Monday Night football, yes, you see the exotic
offenses and explosive offensive players whatever. But I think the Patriots are different in the fact that they're a little more surgical than the Chiefs and Rams, who seem to be continuously pushing the ball downfield. Until your point is, James White, the Patriots running back, leads to the team in receptions and yards, I believe touchdowns as well, and he's been a real, I think underrated threat for the Patriots. Yeah. I think people will lead on things underrated, but I
get what you're saying. It's not I don't think he gets a whole lot of credit when you're talking about a guy who's got six touchdowns receiving. Yeah, I mean, listen to the Patriots offense. So Chess has to tackle well this week. Number One is they got to take away the run, and that went away against the Buffalo Bills, and and all those guys were really annoyed about that. They got to get back defensively, got to get back
to taking away the run. You can't see Sony Michelle getting the edge this week, otherwise you're gonna be in trouble. Second part of this is you have to take care of the screen game because the Patriots are gonna try to throw the ball to the backs out of the backfield. Set those screens up um, left and right, and then it's the option routes. And option routes mean you have to tackle well in the secondary. I think the Jets will come up with a good game plan. Interesting stat too,
and again there are different people. There's no uh stat that we live by in terms of blitzes against quarterbacks and things like that. But people in New England have said this year that Brady has struggled mightily against the blitz and if the Jets can somehow win on early downs where you're putting Brady in third and six, unleash the dogs, unleash the hounds get after. I know the Jets did not beat the New England Patriots last year, but two of Tom Brady's three worst performances from a
completion percentage standpoint came against the Jets. One in Week six at MetLife Stadium, completed fifty four percent of his passes, and then Week seventeen, when the Jets lost in Foxborough, he only completed right and then in the total of those two games, Well, I mean that's a good number. Oh yeah, YOU'RENNA, You're you're gonna sign up for that every week, I would say that he did have four touchdowns in the two games, and just Um rob Brokowski
had two of those at MetLife. But then you gotta give Jamal Adams a lot of credit because he helped keep Gronk off the stat sheet in that six to six game at Gilette Stadium. Those were if you're looking for something where you saw improvement from a player last year in his rookie season, and we've seen him jump off in this year. Two was he came out after Grog really got the better of him at Motlife Stadium, and they did a great job on him and that
second game. But again, no moral victories. You wrote about it, I've written about it. Everybody's talking about morales high uh tod Bol said that Josh McCown echoed those sentiments and then both said we're gonna fight. Everybody on the team is going to fight, the players and the staff, and Jamal Adams said, fight, fight, fight. How about how about last time these two teams met, Jamal Adams was shirtless in Foxborough on perhaps ridiculous day. We talked to Bart
Scott about this too. Man, No, not about Jamal coming out against the Patriots, but Northwestern when they played Minnesota twenty two degrees in Minnesota last week and all every all the kids came out with their and I can call him kids now because I'm a lot older than they are. They all come out with their shirts off twenty two degrees weather. By the way, if it's twenty two degrees, I'm gonna have thirty layers on the makeup off as harsh. But do less, Northwestern? Do less? Why? Why?
It seemed a little try hard to me? Yeah, what what's the point? But did you do you take that same tone with the president of all last year? I it was an individual, I think it would be a little different, and the whole team thing struck me. Oh the team thing was a little bit over the top. Four you Yeah, yeah, it seemed a little a little more calculated that way, you know what I mean, like a little more thought into it where Jamal is probably
you know. Can I tell you that it took me like a couple of weeks when we came back from New Year's eive at Gillette Stadium in that game for my bones to actually heat up, because I got a feeled the old ice on my bones for days. Yeah, that was there was that the coldest game you've ever been to. I think that was the coldest game I've ever been to. Yeah, that's a period. I don't think the weather it's gonna be that bad this week. I really hope the Jets fans I get into this game.
Like I said, you gotta get them going early. Man, you know it better than anybody's that these people are starving for a win. They're frustrated right now, rightfully so. But I was encouraged by the locker room. I'm not saying it's going to transcend uh to the football field, but I do think that the guys had the proper mindset and probably even though everybody is you're continuing to learn here in Green's, everybody's always going to tell you
it's a great time for bye. But for the Jets, after what happened against the Bills and that shell lacking, they really had to get the hell out of here. I think it was good for him. I think it was good for him. Listen, No, I'm not ripping on anybody else. That happens. Sometimes you never want to see that happened. But I really think it was positive for everybody to say, Okay, let's get away and resent you know, I was thinking about this and it's non football related.
Sam Donald talked about a little bit about his commute on Thursday, trying to get into city. If we had worked that Thursday, I would have stayed out in Flora Park because there was no way I was going from here to Hoboken. I heard. I heard stories where it took what a fifteen minute drive was supposed to be ended up being three hours. Yeah. I heard a bunch
of horse stories. And the New Jersey Transit buses were letting passengers off at the top at the front of the GW Bridge on the top level so they could walk across into the city because there was no cars allowed on the top level of the GW. Yeah, but what did they do once they get to the city. They walked all the way home. No, you probably then catch a subway right there or where the subways running. Yeah, I believe so, I mean, if you're not a little
bit delayed. But I had. I was in the city when it started to snow and I had just gotten I had just got my haircut, and I had to walk like twenty blocks south to meet up with my friend before going to Syracuse, Yukon. At the garden, which you know when it ranged pores and that was the beginning of a bad weekend. But but the wh put it on you guys, Oh grain, this is gonna have a tough weekend. But the subway line was so long that it was it was much easier just to walk
and much faster. So the whole thing was a mess. So you can put in the weather in there. Well, fortunately the weather has been okay lately, so um, yeah, I think the weather will not be a factor Sunday. Uh at MetLife there's calling for I think temperatures in the fifties, is that right, Uh, it's supposed to be rather warm. I think okay, But well, you know, and the fans I know that. Like I said, you know, everybody,
they're overdue for a win. And I think the players, you know, there was a lot of professional pride, individual pride. And Jamal also put it eloquently, I thought when he said, you have a number of different motivations, including everybody has a different y um, but in it's you're the name on the back of your jersey, the name on the front of your jersey, and I think it matters to those guys. I think they will come out and have a much better offer than they did two weeks ago.
I want to know, with six games remaining, who are some players that you're excited to see their performance down the home stretch after the bye week, and not just against New England, but when you look in totality of these finals, six weeks of regular season. Well, I'll let you handle Donald. I'm not gonna take everything, so I'll take offensively, Eli McGuire, a guy's got a couple of games under his belt and he's he's proved continues to prove to be an elusive runner, and he's adopt out
of the backfield catching football. He's got the low pad level. I really like what I've seen on him. Chris Herndon continues to be an emerging tight on for this team. Trent and Cannon has been outstanding special teams player. What let's see if he can continues, UH, continue to get some subpackages offensively and use them in different ways like
they did against the Bills that use them on the underground. Uh. And then defensively, for me, it's the secondary um because Trumaine Johnson, this is in the year I'm sure that he envisioned after he came over from the Rams and signed the big deal in the off season. Unfortunately, that quad injury hampered him early and then he give up a big play to start the game against the Bills.
But he's still He's still a good cornerback Greens and at the end of the day, you're gonna be counting on Trewemaine Johnson and those two safeties for a long time, no matter what personnel changes around those guys. So I'm really looking at the secondary, and like I told you, I'm letting you handle Donald, but here's your quarterbacks. You're facing Tom Brady twice, Aaron Rodgers possibly wants well to
see what happens with Green Bay Deshaun Watson. A lot of people think he is one of the finer uh young quarterbacks in the game. Uh, Marcus Mariotta's a former top five pick. And then you're probably gonna see Josh Allen for the first time. So I'm gonna I'm gonna say the second year. Okay, you listing off those quarterbacks reminds me of last year when the Jets had Breeze,
Rivers and Brady to close out the year. I remember talking about that, but Donald particular if he plays right now, it's unknown as we record the podcast because he's has a strained right foot and he didn't practice Monday, but no injury report came out on Monday, because Wednesday's when
the injury report comes out. And I think what we talked about this before to Tony Romo said this to Olivia Landis at the Bears game, that fans should look to see maybe Donald perhaps turn a page towards the end of this season as he begins to learn more
and more and taking things more and more. And he really, like you mentioned and on our show Practice Today presented by Serious Sex, m that he really was referring to next year when Donald comes back and O t s and how things will really slow down for him then. But he made it seem he meaning Rome Mo, made it seemed like that some of that could still happen
towards the end of this season. And I'm really looking forward to seeing what may or may not happen, assuming he starts, And just branching off of that, I'm you mentioned Eli McGuire, I'm kind of excited to see what Zakrol can do because he's flashed no doubt against the lines in week one against the Broncos in Week five. But other than that, I think he he hasn't had a great season, and he's had great moments, but I'm
very interested to seeing what happens with him. And he was bothered with an ankle injury after Week five, and I think that kind of slowed him up a little bit. And I'm very excited to see what this offensive line can do because Spencer Long was hurt. James Carpenter didn't
practice Monday, so we'll see the status on him. But I wonder what how that unit in particular will spot, because you know, the Jets want to run the ball, and that's how they're going to have success the season, especially when you have a rookie back there when you can take some of the pressure off of him. So I'm very excited to see what what they're gonna do. And defensively, I'm I'm agreeing with you and Tremaine Johnson.
I don't think that the start of his first year as a Jet went the way he wanted it to. But you know, six games may not seem like a whole lot, but it is a There's a lot of ball left to be played, and I think that the NFL in general, whatever happens that week that moment, the world's on fire if you lose, and everything's fine when you win. But I'm I'm very excited to see what happens with a lot of players, but those guys in particular,
it's a week to week league. Um, don't tell the guys in the locker room that these games don't matter, because even if they have an expiring contract and they don't even think that, hey, maybe the Jets aren't gonna resign me. I'm putting this film out there for thirty one on their teams. Okay, don't say it doesn't matter to those guys and all. By the way, I know what the fans are looking at. I know I've been here, number four overall pick in the draft at the season
end of today. I get it. The players don't care about that. The coaching staff doesn't care about that. Your coaches in your college, I mean, you're a college scouts and your personnel department, they're gonna be scouting up everybody like that they have to. But that's an every day of the year kind of thing. So I know fans are I and add up and things like yeah, I love the tanking arguments. Oh do you think that people? How do you think that players are taking? No, they're
not tanking, like no team in the NFL. Thanks, It's just it's just not a thing. So no table the conversation. This isn't the n b A because I think they they've had it happened a couple of times, I think
in but this podcast not really for the MBA. But I would say that maybe the only year where you can be like, wow, they might really set themselves up here down the stretch that I really can remember is that the Indianapolis luckier when Manning was out, and I think they played they played hard, but I'm sure those last two or three games maybe everybody in the organization was gonna not the players, not the coaches, but I'm sure there a couple of a couple of people in
they're probably had a couple of crusted fingers and toes and things like that. Yeah, I mean, when you think about it, it couldn't have played out any better for the Colts than that aspect, going from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck who has had a phenomenal year well, and and just thinking about that a lot of people were
thinking that win was worth anything. The Jets beating the Colts and how much uh the rebuilding and they're struggling team and they don't have many pieces around Andrew, whoa, that look like a pretty good team right now, and the Jets hammered them. And yeah, I was the week Lee week to weekly. So you don't know, we might look back at that and say, well, Detroit was nice, but Indianapolis right now. So the Jets have three ones right now, so it's Detroit Indianapolis right now, you would
easily say it. I would. I would say Indianapolis is definitely the best team out of those three. Yeah, that's their offense is really cooking, but their defense is playing pretty well too. Yeah. You know, I'm actually coming into this season I don't think I don't think a lot of people did, but I definitely didn't think the Colts
were going to perform this way. But but the thing that I take away out of this Colts team, and I'm not trying to divert from the subject here because this is the official Jets podcast, but when you look at what the Colts did in the draft and drafting Quentin Nelson and Brandon Smith in particular those two guys to solidify an offensive line around Andrew Luck and then you draft someone like Naheim Hines and just add p
Is here and there. I mean, I think what the Colts did in the draft is paying off immediately for that team. And I think that frankly, moving forward, I think that the Jets. You could see the Jets follow a similar blueprint in the off season. But away, No, but I think it's fair. I think that's fair to say. And you know, if you're a fan, you just stop looking at Sunday. You can't. If you're a player and your coach, that's what you do. But if you're a fan,
you gotta look beyond. And yes, they do have financial flexibility. Uh they also have their first round pick this year, and they have two threes because they sent Teddy Bridgewater to New Orleans. No two's at this time, but yeah, building from the inside out and also getting some piece more pieces around Sam Donald, I'm sure that is part of the plan. There is a This offseason is obviously going to be a very important one because of what
I mentioned, the financial flexibility. You have the quarterback. Let's see what happens around building around so is this. So, Greens, let me put you on a spot here. So is this one of the last few times we will see Tom Brady at my Life stadium? It's forty one years old. Pel I know that you believe so I do, I do, I don't. I don't. I think Brady is hold on one of the final times or the final time, because the other day you said that you thought that this
was the final time. This is the ate hot take. No, no, again. I don't want people running with this. My my point is is said he's forty one. We all age believe me, Greens, we all age. He's had an outstanding career, five super Bowls, four time Super Bowl MVP, three time NFL MVP, perhaps the greatest who's ever played the game. And I do think Brady's body is not what it wants was. And oh yeah, I get it. This is either is Drew Brees, but I think Drew Brees got more pieces around him
in New Orleans. And I love Grenkowski as a player, not as a as a Jet employee. I'm saying as a player, he's a great player, but he's been ravaged by injuries over the years, and that offense is just not as is explosive. They're not going down the field as much. And listen, No, I don't think Brady is gonna be at month Life Stadium too many more times in the future. Here's a trivia question for you if you're listening to the Official Jets Podcast and comment with
your answers. And Sam Donald's twenty one by the way, and Josh Allens how however old he is, and uh Armando si Garros he doesn't think Ryan Dannehill is gonna be the guy in Miami. We don't know he's gonna be the guy in my So so here's a trivial question that you can comment your answers and leave, leave a review, leave a rating. Tom Brady said this, Tom Brady super Bowl MVP four out of five rings? Who is the fifth guy? Who is the guy that want
the VP? Not named Tom Brady? And before we close up here on the Official Jets Podcast, yea, what it's your favorite side dish for Thanksgiving? And your favorite dessert. I don't really have a favorite side dish. I used to be a big bread guy. When when I grew up, they didn't tell you her about hydras was awful for you. Now now we live in a world where it's proteins and vegetables all the time, things like that. So i'd say my favorite side dishes probably uh um, salad or
something like that. Is that plain Jane for you a little bit? You just said, like, no, first of all, no details all the salad. I love. Listen, I'm a big baked potato guy, but nobody grows some baked potatoes. I like baked potato. Yeah, like what I would do with baked potatoes. You put it on a lunar foil and you put it in the back of the grill. You have put butter on that, baby, you know, pull whatever fixings you want on that, and then you bake it. You put it on the grill, you grow it up,
and you have that grilled potato. You have that skin. Yeah that's blackened. Oh okay, yeah that's a good stuff now. Yeah, because the skin is very good for you. My mom taught me that early on. Because I'm not a big mashed potatoes. Fine, I'll eat them, but I like the skin on a potato. So um, I'm a big, big potato guy. You could twice baked potato if you want to. So, but I don't like cranberry one tranberry sauce. Get it away from me. I don't want it either. I like it,
but I don't love it. I don't love it. I'd rather have my baked potato. And I gotta be honest with you. Turkey. You know it's funny because I I totally agree, and I have this conversation every year. It is turkeys. Okay, how often outside of Thanksgiving do you eat thick cut turkey? Like not deli meat turkey, thick cut turkey never? Okay, so there you go, never for me. For for me, Thanksgiving is appetizers, like the little snacky thing.
I don't like cheese though you don't like cheese, Okay, Well that what happens is every year at Thanksgiving we serve. I'm not the host, but the host serves pigs in a blanket. So the pigs and a blanket are are are hot? Are like hot cakes? They're they're hot options. Yet so those go and then I usually fill up on appetizers, have a little bit of salad or turkey whatever, and then the host makes this beautiful ice cream cake
and I have a slice crew cake. So if you're going desserts, I mean I'm a pumpkin probably guy, I love it. Well, yeah, you like the pumpkin spice. Oh yeah, pumpkin spice. Love those. That's how weas starting my day. Little pumpkin spice in my coffee. But cheesecake I like it too, but uh, I like it a little pumpkin flavor. Maybe ice cream cake is good. All that stuff is good. I almost said a profanity here on the podcast. I'm sure you can, but I will like not to. All right,
all that stuff is good. And that's how we close out the Official Jet Podcast again, Jets Patriots this Sunday. Thanks for listening to everybody throughout the year. Throughout the year, Thanks for listening, Thanks for staying loyal. The podcast does not stop. It will not stop in the off season, so be sure to stay tuned and have a wonderful Thanksgiving.