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Oh yeah, he's really high on the Jets defense. Also, I know a lot of people out there high on the Jets podcasts, So subscribe, rate and review not only where you're getting your podcast audio wise, but also subscribe on YouTube or bang that like button. Okay, fellas Jets Bills. This weekend kind of feels like a desperation game or an elimination game in terms of the postseason.
I mean, you look at the field is wide open now.
Even the Raiders have to feel like they have life and opportunity to actually, you know, make a run for one of these last spots in a wildcard. So with that being said, nobody's going to down. Everybody believes they have a real chance, and you have to start winning. November December is when you make the dash for the cash.
Is when the crane rides to the top. And a lot of these teams that are fighting are going to start playing each other and it's going to be who can make those moments and have these small victories, win these battles so they can hopefully win the war to be able to get in the tournament.
Both these teams are scuffling when you're talking about the Bills and the Jets right now, especially on the offensive side of the ball. For the Jets. Where you look at the Bills, I mean, they're dealing with a lot of things on all three levels, but they made a change at the offensive coordinator position. No more can dor Sy Joe Brady steps in.
You know, winning cures everything. There's nothing like winning, so all the noise goes away as soon as you win a game. If you win two games, it's like you never heard it. And it's just the seasons, the season every year, the teams that were good at the beginning, like or the teams that were bad at the beginning, like Denver was bad in the beginning, horrible, right, Minnesota was bad at the beginning. Look at these teams right now. They're all a sending so you never know when it's
going to turn and what turns it. It could be a play, it could be a game, It could be a moment, but things can turn and so you always have to stay positive. There's always opportunities to win these games. It was last week against the Raiders. There's opportunities to win. You get the ball at the two yard line, you gotta score. Like it's just that simple. It doesn't matter who the coordinator is, who the offensive line is, the balls at the two yard line, you gotta score a touchdown.
And so teams are struggling when you can't do that, or when you're turning it over the way Buffalo's turning it over. Somebody's got to be the fall guy. That's what Sean McDermott did. He's like, we can't allow this to go any further, so we're gonna make this drastic change. We're gonna elevate this guy and we'll see, we'll see, like they got their fingers crossed, if the mistakes can go away.
Right now, this is a nightmare matchup for the Bills because the Jets have always matched up well with them from a defensive angle, and now you got a sputtering offense and the first game up for the new coordinator is against the Jets.
Yeah, well, the crazy thing is right, you know, Buff and Josh Allen has always been a turnover machine.
The issue was the defense was.
Always there to bail them out and create opportunities and get turnovers. Remember a couple of years ago, this was the number one defense in the league right and didn't give up big plays. And they look what they did early on against a team like Miami. But it's about over attrition. When you think about the NFL season, it's a marathon, not a sprint, and you know people are going to get hurt, and some injuries have greater impact
than others. I think Milano who was playing at an all pro you know, before Quincy Williams came out and started doing this thing. Milano was playing the best linebacker maybe in the AFC by himself. He gets hurt, to Davis White gets hurt, and then it's a trickle down effect and then you have to try and play differently.
You can't call your place where you were built.
Von Miller hasn't come back and been the player today thought and so like now they're spuntally.
So now if you're the Jets, if you.
Continue to generate turnovers and get the ball and short fields and make big plays and get off the field. They don't have that defense where maybe the offense can play in the field position get some big plays because there are opportunities to get had. You just have to identify the matchups that you have and you have to exploit them every time.
Right, Robert Salaz said, it's gonna be changes on the offensive side of the ball. It's not gonna be the quarterback position. It's not gonna be the guy calling the signals. We saw early this week the Jets released Michael Carter, veteran running back who took on a third down role
for this team. Do you think we're gonna see? Is is he Abana Kanda not only active but getting some opportunities with the ball because you got you got a big dog in that backfield with Breest Hall already and Dalvin Cook showed some ju.
You got to put your playmakers on the field. And we believe what we saw from Izzy in the preseason that this guy and then you just watch him at Pitt you got to put the ball in his hands and give him a chance. Well you'll never know what he ken or cannot do until he carries the ball. And so I think there's gonna be opportunities. They have run the ball well against Buffalo, they did last year when they beat them.
Yep, Like they gotta lean on that.
But any way that you can get Breessee, is he like the ball in space or just touches, we might see that explosiveness. They score from fifty yards away a lot better than they score from two yards away sometimes, and a lot of teams do. So let's see what he can do. You know something about a rookie, they don't know what, they don't know like, but he's fast. He's fast, and he knows how to finish. So I'd like to see him.
He's an awesome system fit.
I love this, you know because when you think about it, listen, if I'm the Jets, we got seventy players.
In the game.
Forty are going to be runs, and they're going to be explosive runs, but their body blows.
Right.
Remember what this team, you know in the two thousand and nine and twenty ten were right. They're a team that breaks you down, right, you're talking about it. You're going against a defense that has a lot of injured players. The last thing they want to do is to be in car wrecks over and over and over again, and
that levee usually breaks in the second half. And I love the fact that you can bring a young guy much like when we brought Sean Green when remember Thomas Jones was leading the league in rushing, but who who was the finisher and who was the spark in the postseason. It was Sean Green because he had fresh legs. Not only do you have Izzy who has fresh legs, you also have Dalvin Cook who has fresh legs, who looked like he was, you know, popping out of his skin
last week. So continue, right, So continue to get those because those one and two yard runs in the first quarter becomes you know, two to three in the second quarter, they become four to five or big plays or we've seen big plays from Breeze early on. If guys aren't stretched out, listen, it's gonna be cold. And if you can get guys to have to put them hamstrings to the test early on they're not stretched out, you know, it's opportunities to beat guys as they're not warmed up yet.
And you got these young backs and you just throwing them at him, throwing them at it's like not getting a break and having double doubles, right, when you look at what the Raiders did. They said we're going to get movement. We're not gonna guys get penetration. I think about going against a guy like Ed Oliver. I love ed Oliver. I thought they should have drafted him. I was a big fan of his when he came out.
He's a one guy penetrator. He's a light player. I will trap him and wham block him to death because he's gonna get up the field. I will trap and block him and run the ball downhill at these inexperienced linebackers and where they ass down.
Yeah, Linvil Joseph, he can't play fifty snaps.
He just came in off.
You get a guy like Lynnville Joseph and you're playing this up tempo.
See.
The problem is the Jets never get to the line of scrimmage where they can figure out the answers to the test. They're usually getting out the huddle at fourteen and get to the line of scrimmage, and then it's if I'm a defender, I'm looking at the clock and I'm like, okay, no matter what. If I get a caden and it's within three seconds, I know it has to be on this Caden, So I'm getting out. When you look at what other teams do, they get their
muddle huddles. They get there and they may not have the play yet, but you can talk to the quarterback up to fifteen seconds. Get these guys to the line of scrimmage, smoke these guys out with dummy plays. Now, that takes discipline, but that's gonna let you see where the blitz is coming from. And then it also allows your coordinator to talk to you and say, hey, check to this. That's the game within the game. You see justin Herbert do it all the time. You see some
of the better quarterbacks all the time. They get to shoes the player with It's not it's not a hurry up. But if you get to the line of scrimmage, oh, you have more time to read the boxes. Are we gonna run this run?
And then you got defenders. I mean, listen, Peyton's doing to this all the time.
You got guys fat, Yeah, three hundred and twenty pounds plus they're sitting in a stands. It's like doing a wall. Sit for sixteen to seventeen seconds. If that dry and if that drive goes eight plays, guys of thigves are burning.
What kind of pass rush you think you got?
If you sitting there, you see guys they've being a three point then they finally taking me a look up, like the hell, what's going on? Then they come back down right motion shifts. But as a lineman and you're in the two points saying you're chilling, you're good with that.
I was watching Buffalo's game in the loss to Denver and Limbo Joseph is out there. So he's the biggest guy on the field right now. You know, he like, I don't know what kind of shape lin ball's in. He's always been a big guy, but you gotta test it like he's the one. Look, he's there to stop the run. He's gonna sit on the zero technique and be right on top of Joe Tipman. He just wondering
like if you run almost like what part's saying. If you go up tempo and you're having some success running the ball and you keep him on the field like that, Gus is going out of that tank pretty fast, like you gotta.
Get so now.
So now you you burpned the baby right, just think all you have to do is get one first down, like great pass rushers. They got about four good pass rushers before, like they done, and a guy like lim Vill Joe, So now you're basically playing against three instead of four, right, because now you can man him up like we guys used to do that all the time.
You try and get like Chris Jenkins, you try and get Vince Wilford, you want to know, huddle o Temple and get them stuck where they can't run out to try and change, and you know what their connor is going to be lobster, right, But you only get lobster so many times somebody's gonna think an injury. But that's how you know you got it. Somebody gonna go down, Oh my arm, oh my leg, you know what I'm saying. And they're gonna try and do it early, but then you can't keep doing that. You get one or two
times to do lobster. So I'll catch it. I'll catch his other a game. Yup, Yeah, fat boy, We're gonna chut your cardio today.
Speaking of the guys in the middle, you like what you've seen here from Joe Tipman, not only back as far as the whole portfolio, going back to early in the season, but you think he's been playing very well at center.
He's such a good player man, and like to be that tall.
Like guys think they can just run through him, but they don't realize that weight comes with height. But also, like you, I forgot the great philosopher to say, give me a lever big enough when I moved the world off his axis because he plays.
With yeah, yeah, so he played.
He plays with such leverage that when those feet are anchored, he's able to hold bigger guys off and he sticks to him because of at height, and he knows how to use his height with the right angle. Now sometimes he may get ahead of his ski sometimes, but when he got you and he's able to bend, you might get him back one two. But after that those feet are stuck in the ground.
It's his natural position. Yeah, I mean he was drafted to be a center. I mean he was forced into play the right guard because of the situation. But this is what they drafted him to be the long term answer at center. Whether it's you know, that's what Nick Mangold was. You know, you go back in the history. Yeah, they've had Kevin, like they've had great centers here. Like I think he could be in that tradition of guys that have come through here and played a long time and at a high level.
What are you making back then? After nine games now a lot of people were wondering, Hey, could he make it through nine snaps?
Now?
I thought he was awesome against the Chargers, like he's going up against Bosa Mack. He eliminated him. He didn't have really a bad set. I thought last week he had some plays where he like to have him back. Yeah, I think he just frustrated, Like I think they should run behind him. Okay, you know that's what he does best. He moves people. So I mean I build my offense around running behind him.
That whole side him and Langdon Town it just worked. There were pulling Tipman front side, like.
Just be a left handed team. Like, to me, that's that should be a strength of this team right now, lean on it.
Yeah.
My point of Beck then is that nobody gave him a shot before the beginning of the season. They said, no, this guy is never going to do it. Always her football league. You got to give him a ton of credit for what he did body wise, and then also just coming out here, the Jets continue to shuffle in personnel left and right along the offensive line.
On the right, and the one constant has been and it's crazy right.
But you know what's crazy right? Everybody knows that.
People listening may or may not know, but you know, I come here, we shoot, you know today, and then I go into that little room right there and I shoot my radio show.
But as a New.
York that's one of the three.
So as I'm shooting my radio show, the indoor facility is right behind me, and I'm looking out the window.
And about two o'clock.
Every time i'm here, I look out and I see Beck then out there with the coach doing individual work. I see it every week now, this week nine, I've seen it every week. So it's what you do in the dark comes to the light. So the fact that he's putting that work in nobody else sees that. I see it, the coaches see it, Nobody else in the league sees it he because it's not like he's there and it's like some other guys with him. It's him and a coach and he's working on sets and he's
working on his technique. That's how you become a professional. You got to continue to sharpen the knife, and you know, that's why he's able to stay healthy. That's why he's able to play at a high level. Does he struggle at times with certain types of rushers, Yes, right, But you know he's been playing superstent and this is a guy that we thought, oh man, this guy's always hurt.
He's in camp one practice, he's out the next. I think he's confident in his knee, and I think he feels confidence because he always believed that, you know, that injury will be protected if he played left tackle. Well, he's proven us Rome improving himself right.
Bart Watson tempo offensively. Zach Wilson last week against the Raiders became the sixth player in the National Football League this season half two hundred fifty yards passing and fifty yards rushing in the same game. It's not like the Jets weren't moving the football against the Raiders. It was the missed opportunities in the first half.
Baldi opportunities. You know, in a game where it's basically, you score a touchdown, you're gonna win a game. I mean, it's really just that simple, just one touchdown, and that's what it's been like against a lot of teams like Buffalo. The first game against the Eagles, all they needed was a touchdown. They got a touchdown. So, you know, kicking field goals can can be good. But I thought they moved the ball well enough to be able to finish these drives, and so I think there's almost a mental
block you do. Yeah, and they've got you know, I think once they break the dam and they get through it and they score, I think they can score more frequently. It's just some kind of a block that you know, the holding call on Breee Hall's touchdown, you know, just unfortunate things that do happen. But penalties happen because you're not in position. That's generally why penalties happen, especially holding calls. Your feet aren't in the right place, your your body
is not in the right place. So you know, it comes down to detailing your business, you know. I mean every single play can be that play with when you have Garrett Wilson and you have Breese Hall, you never know when one of those guys touching the ball can finish you know, a long ways away.
And what was disappointing about that is that those penalties came from veterans and you know, you have to start holding your teammates accountable and understand that. You know, we brought you here to elevate our young quarterback and you're hurting the team. And you have to understand when you get a holding penalty down on the one yard line, not all penanties are created equally, right, You've got less feel to work with.
You're on the one yard line.
Even if you miss your block, breech Hall is good enough to make you right, so or brische Hall. Even if you do that and it's early in the down, it's first in goal. Even if it's a tackle for a one yard game, you should have three opportunities. But everything changes as far as play calling. If you get a holding penalty on the one yard line, it goes from because it's no first down to get. It's either a touchdown or nothing, and it's field goal or nothing.
So you have to be smarter in situations. And I think that's where it's frustrating that they're getting they're getting into the red zone, but they're having concentration gaps and understand it. I can't get it here, I can't hold here. If he beats me, he beats me. I just got to stay connected to his body and know that I got a two hundred and twenty pounds back that can
run through a nard tackle. So even if the guy's beating me, if I'm still on his left ard, he only has his right arm free, that's not enough to bring breeze. Now, So that's what you're talking about. You talking about the football acumen and being a veteran team that doesn't beat yourself. Are you gonna lose at times? Yes, you have to understand when you know, taking the l can still be a w if you don't, you know, make the Cardinals stand by giving us fifteen.
Don't try to do too much bout of mine. So what about this little stretch here? Jets Bills Sunday. Then you had a couple of days and you're back, first Black Friday game Friday nine and file history against the Dolphins. I mean, this thing can swing in a hurt.
Division games. Look, these division games count almost two. Because we've talked about this, you know already, like if Buffalo loses this game, they're reeling five and six, they lose two in a row at home, the fans are turning on them like this. This team had high expectations. All right, So you go in there and you beat Buffalo, you know, and we'll see what happens Miami this weekend against the This doesn't really matter. We know that that that offense
can be defended against good defenses. Kansas City has done it, Buffalo has done it, Philadelphia has done it. We've seen good defenses have slowed that offense down. So there's the question of can you get into some kind of rhythm for your offense. And that's really what the season is about right now. And I believe this. If the offense comes out, let's just say they take the opening drive and score, okay, and you kind of get rid of
this block that I'm talking about. You know what that's gonna do to the defense, Like they're already playing hard, but they're just gonna play that much harder. Like we got an offense, say we got points like we don't. It's hard to win games if you're not scoring points.
It's just hard.
I don't care how good your defense is. So but if you can score and you do that against Buffalo and win, it's gonna the confidence in this building is gonna change.
Yeah, when you think about you know, getting the score the team the defense can say they're gonna put on themselves, say you know what, if we don't give up a score, we win because we're going to also play the field position game. And understand what that does to Buffalo in the fan base. Quiets the crowd, allows you to hear, but also it deflates them, like, oh here we go again. Because listen, when you fire your coordinator, you're looking for
somebody to blame. But if you get the same result and the just defense play up to their capabilities, then they run out of people to blame. So then now reality sets in because they play their card. Yeah, yeah, it's not the coordinator, it's us. We're not that good. In the realization that that window that opened three years ago when they had that tremendous game playoff game against Kent's City and they thought they were right there, they have to come to the realization that we got old.
And yes, windows open and closed in this league when you have a great franchise quarterback like Josh Allen, but this version of the Buffalo Bills is closed. Gabe Davis could be going next year. Diggs is a problem. They're stuck with him. He could become a malcatate. He becomes somebody that becomes a distraction. They really can't run the football. You know, you got Dion Dawkins. You know you got guys that are getting older. Spencer Brown is not a good player, right.
You gotta wear him out. You gotta wear him out, right, tackle he got to be the fish you got. You gotta like this should be lined up wanting to go against him every time.
In one jet who probably doesn't get enough credit because what those young dudes have been doing is John Franklin Meyer. John Franklin My historically has been a big issue for Spencer Brown because he bullies them.
Yeah, so well, you could bully him, or you can speed rush him. You can get your way with him. You know, he's a They like him. He's a tough guy. He's a pretty decent run blocker, but he's a liability in protection. And so that's really like when they lose to Cincinnati. They lose the Cincinnati because they get beat up front and Josh Allen is trying to play hero ball. He's trying to do too much because he has to in order, and that's when he's guilty making some turnovers.
It's just a fascinating matchup on so many levels. But it's interesting that the Bills did this move prior to playing the Jets defense as opposed to prior to playing with the Broncles.
Well, they couldn't wait, they couldn't waste any more time.
Yeah, they had like.
Yeah, when you look at their schedule, when was a good day game to say? Okay against the Cowboys. I think they still have the Eagles next week. Yeah, they have the toughest schedule remaining.
But if you're a Jets fan, aren't you excited about? Okay? Yeah, the offense eight touchdowns and nine games. We know, we know about the problems as far as the penalties, but they moved the ball. They still got Breest Hall, It's still got Garrett Wilson. You're gonna see more young guys. You can see more young guys.
Juice. They need juice.
I'm excited to see what the shake cups going to be because they need more juice.
So what do you anticipate? So we talked about Izzie a little bit. Okay, let's out and here before Friss.
Can I see Bromley?
Okay?
I mean, hey, Alan, if you're not healthy, we gotta sit you down, and we gotta get somebody else's opportunity. They need somebody to step up opposite Garrett Wilson. You can't because if I'm playing the Jets, I'm saying, listen, load the box, double Garrett Wilson, single up, Alan Lazard. I got a extra man in the box. I should better dominate. Somebody has to make somebody pay the same way. DJ Reed had to say, not on my watch, because
people are going away from Salt. We need somebody opposite. Say, oh, you're gonna disrespect me and man block me with your second best corner, or in the slot, you're gonna put your third best corner on me. You think I'm not gonna win because you're you're putting extra resources to stop Garrett Wilson and the extra guy to stop Breeze Hall.
Okay, all right, I'm gonna make you pay. Play me honest. So I lied.
I got one more for you. Ball things got his. He got his numbers in week one because they moved him around because they knew, okay, playing the Jazz, they don't travel. Yeah, so we got to make sure that we move him around. He got his what's the counter this week? On both sides because you know, Josh Allen's going to try to keep Digs engaged because if they don't get gone.
So Bart's touch on him. But here's the problem, and it's with all these you know, number one wide receivers. If you say, okay, we got to make them happy, the quarterback shop is to get it to the open receiver. If you take Digs out, whether you bang them at the line of scrimmage and you cloud them over the top, however you want to do it, and you eliminate him as a number one, and they got to go to Shakiir or they got to go to Gabe Davis and he's sulking. That's not that's not Josh's fault.
Chats can do that.
You could do that.
So like you hope that that happens. But you know, they made all this effort to get the ball to DeVante to start the game, which is fine. He's catching balls for four yards, big deal. He got his catches. He wasn't hurting him. Then he's not beating them over the top. You know, Diggs hurts you when he beats you over the top or he catches you know, one of these dig routes and you know, and he and he goes along ways, he catches it on the run.
Can we throw some roses to the Jets entire defense as far as what they're doing coverage wise, because you guys did a beautiful job Jets game Dave Robert Salad, CBS seven thirty or YouTube New York Jets dot com. You check that out. As far as just looking what they were doing in his own coverage, you think the communication has been tremendous.
Right communication is seeing the route the same. But because a lot of times you have to have non verbal communication when you consider, you know, sometimes you can't hear and you're talking about the left corner, you know, understanding seeing what the right corner is doing and being on a string, and they're on the string right now. But you know, to go back what you were saying before, how I would defend Diggs if he's on the outside,
I'm fine. But if they hie him in the slide against Mike Carter, even though I love Michael Carter, the double will be on, and the double will be on either by the backside safety. The backside safety will have an opportunity that if he runs in those dig routes, that you come down what we call radar. You come down and you take it, because a quarterback will never
see it because he's reading left to right. He'll never see the right safety if he's running a dick coming down from here and and it's going to look like Michael Carter's beat because he's going to have to stay on the backside of him. In case he ever runs at yoyo rout and comes back, he's always in good position knowing that front side he has your front side safety coming down. If he's on the outside, it's fine. I got tremendous belief that Reed and Sauce can get
her done. But if he's in a slot, I'm going to double him because he's in a slot for a reason. So when he goes in the slot, I'm going to double him because I got a great belief that.
The ball is going to go to him and now I can put to him. Tip balls change games.
So Stefan Diggs is a router. So if he's on the outside against you know, Sauce or DJ like, he's a great route runner, but routes take time. So if you can disrupt the timing by just getting moving, Josh or getting a hand on or anything that takes his eyes off for a second. Diggs who's working his double, move his stuttering, go whatever it is.
Like.
He's excellent at changing directions and changing speeds. But the way that you counter that is as.
You rush, massive game for both teams. A great job from you, fellas, as always, see you soon.
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The Official Jets Podcast is presented by win Bet. Betty's a team sport but together at win Bett Eric Allen here in the Audi Performance Studio, joined by Chris Long. Chris, thank you so much for taking some time out to talk to us about the Jets. What's ahead for the Green and White. First off, what's your takeaway and the Jets season to date?
My big takeaway is, obviously it's a challenge because you have Aaron Rodgers signed up. Obviously, the injury happens right away. I really had high hopes for the team. I still do, you know, I had picked him to go to the super Bowl with with with with Aaron on the on the roster healthy, but that all changed. I think the big thing that I think it's obvious to some people,
but the team is built for Aaron. You know, it's built with the coordinator that Aaron brings in, Nathaniel Hackett, who's a good coaching zone, right, But that that relationship was important. A lot of the concepts out of the gate or designed more for Aaron, and and when you have to make that change, it is a big adjustment. But I think I've seen some exciting moments from this team where they figure out how to win games. You know, Zach's figured out at times how to string together you know,
these improbable heroic drives. I think the team at different points, like you could tell the Buffalo game. You talk to Jets fans, they're like, Oh, in the past, we don't have that big play on special teams. You know, we go to overtime and maybe something goes wrong and so you can send us a little bit of magic. But now they're kind of getting tested a little bit, and I think got defense just got to hang in there. You know, I've been on defenses where the offense is trying to work things out.
It can be stressful for the entire group.
But I think Salah is a great leader, and I think they got veterans in that locker room that'll keep them together through this rough stretch.
Speaking of rough stretches, your podcast, the green Light Podcast, talks about what the Buffalo Bills are going through right now. What do you think about what's on the horizon for both of these teams who are looking to halt a two game losing streak against each other there which, frankly, a lot of people are looking at this game. Chris is it's an elimination game or a bit don't survival.
Yeah, it's a back against the wall game. For sure for both teams. You know, I think for the Bills with the expectations they had, I think once Aaron got hurt, people looked at the Jets as you know, like this could be a great story. You know, these guys having an opportunity to do something nobody believes in them doing. And I still think those things are out there for them. But for the Bills, with Super Bowl aspirations, with that quarterback under center, this is supposed to be a big
year for them. And I think the Miami game going up winning forty eight twenty at their place, You're thinking this is like I remember, for two weeks we're like this is a super Bowl favorite. But that's the ebb and flow of the NFL season, and I think it is a back against the wall game. But it's also a game that's exciting for the Bills because you know, you do have that. It sucks to lose a coordinator, to fire a coordinator, nobody likes to do that. That's
a stressful time in a facility. But Joe Brady's seen some ball. You know, that run at LSU was amazing. And then I think in Carolina, I wouldn't get I would I would grade him incomplete because the Matt rule thing didn't really work out.
I don't think he had the same.
Type of weapons at his disposals. So I think for Buffalo they're going to want to say, hey, we can restart right here, you know. And for the Jets, every week is back against the wall implicitly when you are rolling with the number two option at quarterback. And I know it's been a long time, but every week it feels like back against the wall, and that's exciting and stressful, but you want to get some breathing rooms so you can kind of you want to pick this one up if you can.
In today's modern age of football. How unique is this Jets defense in terms of what they're bringing at you at all three levels?
Yeah, I just I think when you have young corner corners, like you know, it gets a lot of attention.
He should.
That guy's awesome, But there's other guys back there who can really play. And I'm a big fan of linebacking corps.
You know. Again, it's like.
Last year, we're paying a lot of attention to Williams upfront, but then he's got a brother that can really play. And sometimes I can't take my eyes off off him, and I can't take my eyes off the defensive line.
Like I could name them all.
But I don't want to give anybody more credit than the others because I've been on groups like this where you just roll bodies like Bryce Huff for instance, not a guy that gets a lot of credit, one of my favorite players in the league to watch. You talk about his pressure percentage, things that go un noticed sometimes by fans, win rate. That stuff's legit, you know, it's he should be proud of those those metrics because this guy doesn't get a lot of attention, but he's one
of my favorite rushers in the league. Talk about John franklin Iris versatility, Germaine's coming on. They just have guys that come at you in waves, and I think that's that's a familiar feeling for me being in a group
like that, so it's exciting to watch. But they have playmakers at every level of defense, and like I said, they do a lot in some disadvantageous situations, which I think, like sometimes when you're weighing the best defenses in ball, look at how good the complimentary football is for say the Ravens most weeks. If they're not turning the ball over or the Chiefs most weeks, some of these defenses
that get talked talked about in that light. The Jets are often in situations that you don't want to be in, and they make other quarterbacks look bad despite it, and they keep the points down despite it. So I really just respect the group and I love that they have playmakers at every level of defense.
Something you get.
You did this at such a high level. You want a couple of rings. You mentioned you said he's one of your favorite guys in the entire league to watch. Is a guy who played on the outside. What do you like most about his game?
He's unique, you know, his his leverage is incredible, Like when he runs the hoop, he can get on under somebody's arm and he's run that tight hoop. He's got that really good low center of gravity and the ability to turn his hips quickly and win at the top. So I also think he's just got a good feel, Like the guy's got a lot of tools in his toolbox. I like seeing rushers that can you know that kind
of they don't guess. You know, he's feeling the down, you know, as he goes and and I know that he probably saves up a home runner too, and he's pre premeditated a move or two. But I just feel like he's the type of guy that comes out there and lets it rip and has a bunch of tools
and toolbox and understands leverage and timing and power. You know, like he's just fun to watch that way where he's not prototypically gifted, but he's gifted in a really you know, under the radar way that some fan might not pick up on.
I just love watching him play. Wins a lot of rushes.
You don't see him just getting blocked, and that's one of my favor things. Guys who are active, guys who who have high batting percentages.
So to speak out there on the.
Edge, what do you think about Jermaine in the way he's taken advantage of those opportunities here in year two. And also when you watch him, we know he's not a finished product. Jermaine Johnson a former first round pick. But what's next for him?
I think what's next for him is just continued growth
and you know, steady that build of confidence. You know, I think it's a challenge to be a first round pick, but it's also a challenge to be a first round pick and walk into a defense that's got a bunch of guys that are going to eat and you know, there's there's a positive to it, which I'm sure he sounds like great guy, you know, talking to Joe Douglas and all that stuff, where he's not selfish and you know, but the but the the pressure on you is pick
to produce in a room where there's only so many buckets to go around is tough because people might look up and say, hey, you're not a ten sad guy.
Well, there's a lot of mouths to feed in that D line room.
And I think he's done a good job of progressing as his career has gone on. But also like he started to, I think feel a knack for when to make a big play. You know, It's just that's a thing that comes with confidence and it comes with experience. And I think he's a rep guy. You can tell he's a worker. So the more reps he's going to get, the more his game's going to elevate.
I'm excited to watch Jfum.
How much do you appreciate his versatility because he can beat you on the outside. They can shift him inside, you can take advantage of that guard.
That's my favorite thing about him.
I don't think enough teams and I had mentioned this early in the season, because you know, you guys are really evenly distributed in skill, as in, hey, there's no one guy on the outside. Although I'm a big Bryce Health fan, but there's no like von Miller in his prime guy that people are like, hey, we got to
pay all this attention to him. And sometimes when you have an advantage out there or when the when the the moment's right, and that's based on a lot of factors in a game and in a in a situation. But like I like putting a big guy outside that can dent the pocket, that can get that like when when they'll put a Fletcher Cox sometimes outside in Philly, Chris Jones is somebody who famously, uh will will go outside and tackles are like, the hell's this?
I don't want to deal with this.
I think it's the same thing with the John Franklin Myers when you move him around. And I like power rushers, I like guys, but he's also got some really good wiggle on the edge and he's got good hands. Yeah, he's one of my favorite guys to watch as well. They really do have a good, versatile, unselfish group.
Quinnin doesn't have the sacked numbers, but everybody inside the building and anybody who watches the tape says, this guy is just eruptive? Is ever? Can you talk about Quinnin and the challenge I guess for you guys as professionals, as somebody battled in between the white lines, is that
those sac numbers are coming. But you know, you are helping your team win because you're getting double team or you're getting triple team, and you're freeing guys up and creating those one on ones and you will, oh, by the way, are still creating pressure yourself.
I think it's really important for people to to realize that that sack number is not everything. I mean, it's definitely something that's an indicator, but a lot of times
we don't know what is indicating. I mean, you know, some of the best games I played in I had you know, half sack or no sacks and six seven pressures, four hits, you know, maybe causing interceptions like that's the stuff that we pride ourselves on that maybe fans walking into the stadium looking at the box score and say, hey, that guy was a tearor today, one of my least favorite things to hear somebody say or re online or that sort of thing is haven't heard his name called
all day long. Well, there might be a couple of reasons. Number one, maybe he's affecting other people being able to make plays. Maybe they're actively trying to take him out of the ball game. Maybe the quarterbacks speeding the clock up. Time to throw is variable every week, every matchup, and oftentimes it works against you when you're a good player
and you've got a good group up front. And also maybe you're not watching close enough because most people, myself included, when I sit down to watch a game, I'm watching the ball and then I'll get on the replay, watch the All twenty two and that sort of thing. Most
people aren't diving into that tape. And so I think, if I'm honest, until I get into my All twenty two during the week, I don't know if you just said, hey, how did kalay Is Campbell play this week, Well, I've watched the Arizona offense, I've watched the Atlanta defense, I've watched the All twenty two. But then there's another layer of going back and watching each player, and most people aren't doing that. So I trust the people in the building, and I also trust my eyes when I see a
guy who's still a wrecking ball out there. And so as a player, the only thing that matters is, honestly, the perception of your teammates. When you turn that film on on Mondays and if you're doing your job, they're going to see that and they appreciate it already that guy can play. I think sometimes the production can spike on a guy in a single year and it's not representative of maybe where he's going to be every year.
But I think if you're paying attention to him, you know, the difference between him last year and this year is not some astronomical thing.
It's just things aren't sometimes breaking right.
And you know, sack is the funniest damn stat in football because it's so dependent on everything else.
CJ.
Moseley, he just reached a thousand tackles. Talk about something that flies under the radar. He hit fourteen tackles against the Raiders. That's the sixth time in his career he's reached that number. But he doesn't seem to have any drop off. When you're talking about a linebacker in his early thirties, how much do you appreciate what he still is at this point in his career.
I mean, I really appreciate, because I know how hard it is to be thirty in the NFL and play that physical. He's playing really physical, making a ton of stops tackles every week.
He's done that his whole career. Also, the pressure of.
Being a guy that you know, you guys are asking a lot of I think, you know, from a financial standpoint, he's been rewarded up there, and with that comes pressure, and you know, I think he's dealt with the pressure nicely. And he seems to be a guy that teammates love. He seems to be a guy that just busts his butt every day. And anytime you watch the football, it's him and Williams around the ball. I mean, it's it's it's high energy.
It's like.
These guys for teams that have these offensive lulls where the offense isn't playing great and the mood might get down on the sideline, it's like another three and out are a pick. And by the way, I think the offense is doing a nice job picking up Zach. I've seen a lot of indications that those guys are even in his worst moments, Like I have a picture of Lazard coming over to console him after he fumbled that ball.
It's a mistake you don't want to make, but you can see that nobody wants to make that mistake.
Zach doesn't want to make that mistake.
The move can still get down sometimes, and I think having defensive players that are not only great players, but high energy. They're like tone setters, you know, celebrate big plays no matter what the score is, no matter how the game's going, hype each other up, finish on the football. That's kind of what I see when I watch suggests defense on the second level.
So I know this is something you're gonna appreciate. Sala always talks about the back end and the front end being connected, and that quarterback, if he has to hitch one more time, that's going to give us an opportunity to get there up front. With that being said, those three cornerbacks when you're throwing out Sauce Gardner, DJ Reid and then Michael Carter the second at the nickel spot, how much do they complete this unit.
Well, it's big because you know, like I said earlier, everybody's talking about saw Us, nobody talks about Reid.
Really.
You know, having those guys on the back end and having a nickel who can play at a high level is a huge It's almost a necessity.
It's not a luxury anymore.
Like if you want to go anywhere, you've got to have a ton of cover guys back there. I'll give you an example, like San Francisco when they struggle with Cincinnati a couple of weeks ago.
You can kind of see that coming.
Now they've made some changes in the back end at San Francisco working I think it was Ambry Thomas in a little bit more and you put Leonora inside like so shuffling a pieces. But when you play Cincinnati and Higgins is healthy, you got three really great receivers or good receivers right that you're going to have to contend with. If you don't have that third guy that can cover, you're in trouble in today's NFL because when you see the best teams, they have three options, most of them
that they can. Now Kansas City is different this year, and that sort of thing.
But year in and year out.
If you want to go somewhere, you got to have at least three guys back there that can cover at a high level, and especially the nickel position because the game's changed where that's a necessity, as I said, and not a luxury. So for lineman, I'd love to play for the Jets, you know, like the fractions of time.
That's what we used to talk about. You alluded to it, the.
Difference between Quinn and Williams being the thing everybody talks about on a Monday morning versus the you know, hey, I didn't hear his name. Is one more pat you know where it's schematically playing more aggressively on the back end, or it's a re route. It's all this little stuff that goes into team defense. And so I think having that back ends like a defensive line's best friend.
Well, offensively, what do you think is next for the Jets to play in a Bills unit that's been Deine made it by injuries here, but the Jets we know about their offensive struggles as far as getting the ball in the end zone. I think it's eight offensive touchdowns in nine games. With that being said, Chris, there are a lot of encouraging aspects of that game against the Raiders. But this team just has to find a way to finish they do.
They have to find a way to finish drives, man, And that's the hard thing when you're not really that explosive.
I mean, Garrett's awesome.
They found a way to get him some chunk plays at times and only had a couple of the other night.
But like you know, the longer driver, Zach has to be patient.
You know, it's the same thing we're talking about with with with Josh. You know, it's like, hey, just extend the length of these drives. Eventually these guys might get impatient.
I know.
That's that's what made Zac great at Byu, is his aggressiveness and all that stuff. But I think it's the staying on the details throughout the course of the entire drive, whether it's a choice route, which way am I going? Where am I supposed to sit down here? Because sometimes it's on the receivers, not the quarterback. And for Zach it's like, do I need to drop the arm angle here? You know, maybe I just need to stick to my fundamentals in this situation. But I think more Nathan, you
play in Buffalo. You have not played Buffalo since they look this way defensively, and I mean, like Ken Dorris is getting a lot of attention right now. The Bills offense, what's going on with that? But the defense, although they've hung in there, they're down some guys. I mean Matt Mlano, one of my favorite players in the league. That guy is a nightmare. And when you talk about having your best player in the backfield, there one of them in Bresse Hall. You know the second level of defense is
going to look different than it used to. I mean the first time you played the Bills, they're down a stud up front inside. So can the run game get going?
I think it's just all about patience with these guys and then cashing in when you get in the red zone, when you get in plus territory, taking care of the football because teams are going to naturally make you drive the football and expect Zach to make a mistake, and I think that's on him to just eliminate that stuff and lean into getting your best players of the ball as easily as you can. Easy touches for these guys. That's the best thing you got going for you, right
Those two guys. I mentioned Garrett Wilson, Breis Hall, Studs offensive line banged up a little bit, not playing so well. Get these guys the ball quickly in space, Nathaniel Hacketts got to find a way to do that.
You started out here talking about Aaron Rodgers. You've competed against him. What do you make about the way he's attacked his recovery, and also what are your expectations for him? Not necessarily twenty twenty three, but whenever he returns to the field.
I think he's still going to be really good when he comes back. I mean, it's the reason I believed in the Jets this year, still do because that defense. But I just thought Aaron might be the icing on the cake that could get you guys to the next level. Obviously you probably have to wait till next year for that. I don't know, he might be superhuman. I don't know
he come back. I mean, it hats off, but I just you know, especially the way it's kind of been behind under center, you know, from a protection standpoint and that sort of thing, like if he's gonna come back this year, it'd be a miracle first off, and then on top of that, you'd have to go really navigate
the pocket well with whatever you're dealing with. So I just think it's one of those things, whether it's Zach or whether at some point you're mixing somebody else in, you got to ride with what you got and you got to think about next year. But he can't creep into people's heads.
You know.
It's like, that's gonna be awesome when he does come back. But right now, we got to win with this group, you know, and those two things could be true. You can make a run with this group, and then when Aaron walks back in the door man in, it's go time, because I think he's still got it. A lot of people are down on his play at the end of the road there in Green Bay. But I see the ball come off his hands. I mean it looks a
lot different than I watched every game every Sunday. I don't see the ball coming off a lot of guy's hands like I like, even with Aaron, and even at the end of his running Green Bay. So I'm excited to see him get back if that's if that's what he's going to do, whether it's uh, you know, Super Bowl or next year.
I want to speak to you quickly about Joe Douglas. He's the guy that you have a relationship with personally from a professional perspective, what do you think about the way he's attacked this roster, and also give us some insight what it was like for you as a player working with Joe behind the scenes.
Well, first off, I owed Joe a whole lot.
I absolutely love the dude.
He when I was done in New England and I, you know, like, I decided I want to walk and be a free agent, which most people when you walk out of New England, they're like, something's wrong with you?
And no, I wasn't that.
I just wanted to play finish my career in a system that was more suited to do what I was doing. Because I was trying to come back from two years of ir getting cut in Saint Louis. You know, I wanted to I wanted to finish my my career looking like me at some point.
You know, that was just an uphill battle for a couple of years.
And and to come off of New England, I'm playing in a three technique, I'm playing right end up there.
It just was awkward.
I wasn't proud of that tape as as much as honestly I was with my Philly tape and and I and I and I really appreciate Joe for giving me the opportunity to put that on tape, you know, and Howie.
Howie and I talked and stuff, But it.
Was Joe that that like kind of cleared that deal. Because Ian Cunningham was in Chicago right now, was one of my teammates in college.
He's up there with Bryan Poles.
But I called Ian actually and I was like, hey, you guys, think you'd have room for like an older guy, And he was like, let me running up the flagpole with Joe. And Joe was like, hell yeah, that'd be awesome, and they made it happen. So I really appreciate Joe. It's not for Joe. My life's totally different right now.
And I think, you know, when it comes to how he operates in the building, he's not one of those guys that when you see him walking down the hall, you're like, oh, Joe's here, you know, the GM's here, or the guy from upstairs is here. Like he's a football player, you know, he played ball. He could still probably play ball. I see him I see him out there.
I mean he looks like he could. He could probably pancake me, you know, get up on the second level and get the safety Joseph Beast, so we identify with him. He treats us like, you know, we're equals. You know, it's a tough business. He's got to cut guys. He used to be the grim Reaper in Baltimore when they first had hard knocks back. There was guy's playbooks before they were coming to get iPads. But Joe is like
he does it with grace. I mean, he really is a class act and cares about all the players that he drafts, that he acquires and the ones that he has to cut and trade. And I think that's why guys love Joe, and I obviously likes the big guys, likes the lineman. I think the Philly year, he had a lot to do with that, bringing in Lagarrett, him
and Howie working Magic, Legarrett, Patrick Robinson. I think he values Vets, you know myself, Tory Smith and investing in that D line because that literally was how we won that Super Bowl. Well, the offense is pretty darn good. It's not like we did. We held Tom Brady down it was forty one thirty three, but there were a lot of games we won because we were deep up
front on both sides of the ball. And I think he wants to build a team the same way, and you can see it coming to fruition with the D line. Now we just got to get the other side of the ball going.
Hey, Chris, really appreciate your time today. Know you're busy being a dad. Also the green Light podcast. I know you've done tremendous things with water Boys throughout the year. I mean over the years, I mean just incredible as far as using your platform to help other people. So man, keep it up because I don't know how you have that kind of time in your day, but you've always done a great job.
I'm trying, man. You know I don't sleep a lot, so I'm up watching. I'm up watching the Cardinals at two am last night. What am I doing? I'm addicted to football. You guys. Good luck the rest of the way.