We're presented by win Bet. Benny is a team sport bet together at win Bett. Eric Allen here at one Jets Drive and the upstairs studios, joined by offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett. This has been a family business for the Hackets because your dad, Paul Hackett, the Jets offensive coordinator from two thousand and one to two thousand and four. How surreal has this been so far?
Oh, it's been amazing. I mean I still remember going to visit my father now was in a hostra which was a little bit different than this facility, which is absolutely amazing. But no, those were some great years. I mean Kevin Maway, Curtis Martin, Chad Pennington, Gerald Soul, I mean Santana Moss, Anthony beckt all those guys that Dave Zott,
who's in the building with us right now. But I just remember watching those games and watching my dad and all the success that that was going on during that time, and to be part of it and in the building is absolutely a pleasure and I'm so grateful.
So I tweeted about this the other night. The last time the Jets had a home playoff game was following the two thousand and two season when we were just talking about it. That's the last time the Jets won the division. Jets shut out Peyton Manning in the Indianapolis Colts forty one.
To know if I had a nickel for every time my dad talks to me about that game? Does he really all the time? Still? When I think when I got the job here, he's, hey, you remember that playoff game we beat the Colts and shut him out? I was like, yes, Dad, I've seen it, seen it numerous times. I was not there, but I remember watching it. I was I was coaching at the time. I believe it's Stanford during then, or maybe I was. I think I was actually still in college, and I remember he sent
me the tape. It was one of his funnest games that he's ever ever coached.
What are you doing here right now? Because, as Robert Sala said, your feet could be in the sand, you could be on a beach somewhere, but you decided, hey, listen, this opportunity is too good for me to pass up.
Well, oh yeah, I mean, I think there's so many differ factors that went into it. I think family was the most important thing for me. I was able to spend some time with my family, and I've got kids that are that are a little older now, and we knew at some point we were gonna have to move and we wanted to be sure that we were able to get them through high school. So we knew we were going to do something. We didn't know exactly what.
But when this opportunity came up to be able to work with a guy like Robert Sala, a bunch of the coaches that are on this staff that I've worked with in the past and I know and I believe in, and I trust, and Rudy and Cotton, and Ron Middleton and obviously Robert mentioned before, but those guys mean so much to me that I knew that it was a good thing being with Scar in the past, just a lot of familiarity, and then it being the Jets place that my dad had been, being close to New York
and New Jersey. I mean, there were just so many positive things about it that as a family, we decided we wanted to hop right back on it and get going.
When Robert gave you the call, what was your initial reaction.
I thought we were just going to talk and find out about Lifelove and the pursuit and happiness, and then all of a sudden was it was about, you know, seriously, you know, becoming part of the staff. And he was great throughout the whole process. It was obviously an emotional year last year and just working with him. And he's a friend that I've talked to. I talked to last
year while I was at Green Bay. We've always kept in touch and I've had so much respect for him that he was wonderful through the whole thing, and it just seemed like it was the right thing to do.
Why did you guys bond back to your days in Jacksonville when he was a linebackers coach here the quarterbacks coach.
Yeah, you know, we hit it off real early. I remember we had a fantasy baseball team and with some of his friends, and you know, we just had a lot of things that were in common, and I loved his coaching style. He was very energetic like I was. So we just kind of hit it off, and we, like I said, we had kept in touch since then.
Who was a better fantasy baseball player?
He definitely was. I did not do as good as I thought. I just drafted one couple particular teams instead of going for probably what was the right decision to do.
He's an ultra competitive dude.
He is. I have not gotten on there with him, but anything that goes on. We've had a couple of competitions between the two of us a lot, and it's always fun to compete. I'm not gonna say who won those competitions me, but it's a lot of fun to compete with.
All right. So did you see had coaching in his future back in the day when you were a Jackson.
I think there's so many coaches that you see things like that. You see their energy, their passion, their love for the game, and I think Robert had all those things. And when he had that opportunity, I became the coordinator of the Jaguars and he became the coordinator of the Niners. I mean, I knew it was going to be only so much time before he would get that opportunity. I mean, just his passion for the game, and like I said, the love for the players and everything is it's pretty phenomenal.
You are your old man, But how are you similar as a play caller? Is Paul Hackett? How are you different as a play caller than Paul Hackett.
Oh wow, I'll tell you the game has changed so much since my dad called called football games. He talks to me all the time about how his whole career he never got in the gun one time. Every single play he called was from under center, which is amazing. So there's so many different things that we do and so many things that we face. I think that we're always going to have the mentality of trying to be aggressive with efficiency. I think we always want to try
to get those those explosive plays. That's something that we're always hunting, but understanding when to capitalize on that and still get an easy check down or follow through your progression. We very much coach the same way that way, but I would I would say were we both were always pretty aggressive.
You're dead was a disciple of Bill Walsh. Of course, when you hear the term West Coast offense, what's the first thing you think of?
Probably Bill Walsh, that might be the first thing that pops to my head, But the West Coast and a lot of people talk about that, They say, oh, it's West Coast and this and that, and you know, everybody runs a lot of the same plays. I think the West Coast is based on how you coach the quarterback and how you talk to them about their footwork, their eyes, their progression, the different mechanics from the center back into
the pocket or in the gun. And I think that's what I'd like to feel as though I'm a true West Coast guy from the standpoint of learning from my father, learning from Alex van Pelt, whom my dad actually coached them, just kind of learning through him and seeing the positives of it and the rhythm and the timing of it. And it's a fun different way to coach the quarterback. Today.
We're going to talk about your quarterback here in a moment, but can you talk about the successes that you had with different guys along the way. Kyle Whorton had a career year with you in Buffalo. You talk about Blake Bortles, You guys advanced NFC Championship Game. If memory serves me correctly, you had a lead on New England in that second half. Can you talk about those experiences.
I think one of the most fun that I've had throughout my career is being able to help different guys all become successful, and every guy's different. Every single guy I've ever coached every guy I've called a play for they're also completely different. And the challenge for every coach is to be able to fit your system within them and what they can do and how they can do
it efficiently. And as a coach, you might love one play, but if a guy can't do it, you have to kind of put your ego aside and do something that that guy is going to be able to be successful at. And I'll tell Kyle Orton was such a pleasure to work with when we were at Buffalo that year and he came in there and we did some really good things, and it was about him. It was what can he do, what is he comfortable with, what are his favorite plays? And then we try to fit it around him. And
the same thing with Blake. Working with Blake, I had been with him for two years, had a great feel for him, and you try to pick those things that would make him the most successful. And I think that he really believed in all that stuff. And I mean that year was absolutely incredible. I mean, just the offense in general was much better than some even remember Yea and Blake did such a great job in the playoffs
and we had a chance. We have a chance, and sometimes, you know, you get up to New England and things don't go your way. But I'll tell you it was a heck of a season that year.
Did you tinker with the blocking system up front? Because we always talk about the zone blocking, but then you had this straight ahead, big power back in leanner of four not. Can you talk about maybe adapting to your personnel.
Yeah. When I first started, I was primarily inside zone and gap schemes, so it was all downhill. That was kind of the runs that I had learned the most. I think kind of the last chapter for me to learn. I've been in so many different systems, created some of my own, and I really wanted to learn the outside
zone world. I always saw some amazing explosive plays, some really great play pass actions, and I never really knew those until I got to Green Bay and Matt Lafloor opened my eyes to another world of you know, we had the inside zone, we had the gap schemes, we had all those things, and we were very good at those.
But then all of a sudden, here's this outside zone world that I mean, it's just mind blowing on the space you can get for the running backs, the redistribution of the linebackers in the play pass to be able to throw the ball down the field. So I think that was kind of the last thing that I heard which really made the system that we've got now really all encompassing, so that you have the ability to change
your system for the personnel that you have too. If you can attack with outside zone, you can get after it, if you need to go more downhill, We've got expertise in that now, So I think that was kind of the culmination of everything. So it's great to have a little bit of everything to change it for the players.
When you go to Green Bay, how do you establish that connection with Aaron Rodgers. Obviously, you guys are a new staff there. They had just finished with Mike McCarthy this long run. You as a guy who's going to be in a quarterback's ear every day, who's going to be in the meeting room with him every day, how do you establish a connection.
With Aaron and I I think we both got really lucky. I mean, I think we both have a lot of the same personality. We're both very inquisitive. We both like to know a lot of different answers for everything, and I think we just kind of hit it off from that, and also having the background of the West Coast system.
Mike McCarthy, who's somebody that I have so much respect for and care for so much, had trained Aaron and he had come my dad actually had been with him for eight years, so Mike kind of learned from him. So the same things that I learned growing up was the same stuff that Aaron was trained in early in his career. So we had a connection with kind of the old school West Coast world, the true West Coast world.
We also had a lot of that, as I said, inquisitive mindset, and we just in the end have a lot of the same personality, just our humor and everything, and we just hit it off. And it's one of those things. It's our relationship is strong now and I'm very grateful for it.
Did you know that right away, like early on in your tenure with the Packers, that hey, listen, not only do I have a special player, this is a future Hall of Famer, one of the best who's ever thrown the football, but also that we have a lot of parallels and that our communication is really strong.
I think it's you slowly got to learn it as our relationship developed, as we spent more and more time. I mean, the amount of time that quarterbacks and the coaches spend together is extensive, and just over time, we kept just getting to know each other more and more and respecting each other more and more. And I think for me, you know, you know who Aaron Rodgers is a player, but I think until you get to know him as a person, I think that's even more astounding.
I mean, how great of a guy he is, how much he cares about the team and all those things. I mean, I just I can't say enough good things about him and my experience that I've had with him.
How does he raise the standard of everybody in.
The building just by walking in. He walks in and you feel that rror that surrounds him. I mean, he's a man that has a chip on his shoulder all the time and wants to be great at everything he does. He's an unbelievably ultra competitive human being. It doesn't matter what you're playing or competing against him. He wants to do every single thing he can to win, and he doesn't care who you are. And I think it's all those things coming together, and he cares it's not just
I'm a football player. I'm a football player, but it's also he cares about the people around him and wants to get to know them.
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Obviously last year year in Denver, about what we're twenty and twenty one like for you in that position, Because I think when people think about Aaron, they're automatically just looking back at last year when he dealt with a number of injuries and still would have posted some of the best numbers a Jets passer has ever had, and this franchise has been around since nineteen sixty, but the numbers in twenty and twenty one, when he's back to
back MVPs of this league, we're not far removed from that.
Yeah, those years were absolutely remarkable. I remember it was the COVID year and we had just come off the twenty nineteen season. I don't think a lot of people expected us to do what we did that year, and the reality of it is, we weren't a very good offense that first year. We started picking up steam as the season went on. I think it was the Raider game that was a big, big kind of push forward when we played them. I think Aaron had one of his perfect games in that one, and then we started
getting a role. But I would say going that second year, that COVID year, we all sat down and really created a system for who we were. We kind of took all the different things from the West Coast system, the quick game, the dropback world, paired it up with the play pass, and I think we just made this beautiful playbook. It was kind of like the one from Waterboy. You know that you hide the playbook and I think it was perfect for Aaron and the team that we had
at that time, and it showed on the field. I mean it was magic. I mean it was unbelievable. I mean we were getting people open all over the field and Aaron was making amazing throws and Davante was on another level. Alan Lazarre was playing lights out. Bobby Tonyan I think had ten touchdowns. I think Aaron threw for like forty eight touchdowns. I mean, it was really a special year, especially when we got into the old red zone we called the gold zone a little bit, but
it was great. And then twenty one was a lot of the same. It wasn't as dramatic as that twenty twenty, but Aaron was playing lights out and I think he just knew what we were trying to accomplish all the time. I thought Matt did a great job game planning with all of us and getting the right plan for the guys. And those were two amazing years. I wish they would have ended with the trophy.
Well, maybe get one here is that the all impressive stat above the rust that he's posted throughout his career, the touchdown interception ratio number one in NFL history.
I mean, it's unbelievable. I mean, I think that year it was forty eight touchdowns. I think it might have been five interceptions or something like that. It was in the single digits.
And be able to do that though. You think about him, and I think about a guy who's not afraid of making any throw. Of course, and he can make any throw.
No, that's true. And I think the beauty of Aaron is his ability to see the defense and understanding why we're attacking, how we're attacking something. And like we said, we want to be aggressive with efficiency. I think he is that to a t. He's unbelievably aggressive, but he's smart in his decisions. He knows when to take a
risk and when not to take a risk. He knows what he sees, so he knows when he can trust his feet to progress and move along the progression instead of potentially forcing something that it might have worked, but there's just too much risk. So I think that's what he His assessment of that throughout the game and in real time is pretty spectacular.
Have you ever had a week in the National Football League like the week we just lived through. On Tuesday, the trade really became official as far as dott and I's crossing the tes, Adam Schefter reported on Monday. But then you go through a draft where the team adds seven players.
No, I mean it's it was. It was a long week last week. There's been a lot going on and it's funny. The excitement is definitely in the air, but there's still so much work to be done. I mean, just with Aaron getting to know the players, the players getting to know him, you know, we're far off, but we're going in the right direction, which is all the matters.
What do you cents from him walking into the building.
Excitement, He's got a smile on his face. I think he's enjoying himself. And I think that when you can have any player come into the building and be excited to walk in the building, you know they're going to make strides as a player. I think that's so important. If they walk into a building and don't want to be in there, or there's any kind of adversity, especially in the off season, you're just not going to get as much out of him, out of the players in general.
And so I think for him, he's got a smile on his face. Like I said, he's I mean, heck, he's been going to all these New York functions and enjoying the scene and everything, So I think that's so important, especially taking it.
No, he hasn't come on, Oh you're not trying to get in.
No, No, he gets to go enjoy all that stuff.
All right. What do you think about the draft pickups? You get a center in the second round with the nice mullet, Joe Tipman from a mullet, Carter Warren, Yeah, left tackle from Pittsburgh. I wanted to ask you about him. Is he in the fifth round? A local kid running back? Explosive and then interesting flyer in the seventh round from old Dominion in six to eight and can run like the win.
Yes, No, there's definitely guys we're excited to work with. For me and my experience, you're always excited about rookies on the outside because of all those different things that you say, those those stats and all that. But the game changes so much in the NFL, So I'm very excited about to work with them, and we'll see how fast they can pick it up and adjust to the speed of the game.
How much is can a guy like Rogers help Tipman as he makes this transition.
Uh, Tipman is gonna have a unique experience with Aaron. Aaron is very particular in a lot of things, just like everybody on the field in that huddle, we'll see, he's a guy that knows how he wants it, what it looks like, and he's going to do everything he can to get it to that place.
How much can these other guys with familiarity with your offense be of help to you, not just what they do physically, but when you're talking about a guy like Alan Wizard or a Billy Turner who's gonna be added to the mix, the offensive lineman, you know, Tim Boyle in that quarterbacks room. How much can they help you with your messaging?
I mean it's huge. I mean, one, they know me, they understand me and how I kind of go about my business. But I think it's great for me because there are certain things. There's so many details in one football play. In one thing, when you get up in front of the group, you explain it, you teach it.
We try to go through all the intricacies. We're kind of crunched on time because you want to do so much and you might skip over things and I mean, Allan's already got raised his hand and corrected me a couple of times, which I appreciate so much because it's
about all of us being on the same page. So when you have more people that have been around the system, understand the system, they're going to catch those little things and maybe there's that little tidbit that might be the difference between a good play or a great play or a bad play. And I think that's so important to have guys like that. And Alan's done a great job, Aaron's done it already, Billy will do it. I mean, it's so critical to have people like that.
Lazard said, Nathaniel Hack is the best teacher I've ever had, whether that's football or elsewhere. Alan Blizzard, he've been around. I mean not saying that he's old by football terms, but I mean this is the guy north of twenty five, so he's had a lot of teachers over the years. What do you think, what kind of response I have that to that? When you hear a guy like Lazar's speak in that manner about.
You, I love you, Alan, thank you, I appreciate it. You know, It's it's one of those things I've seen so many people coach. I've seen been with so many different teachers myself, and you look back when you were a kid, whether it be you know, youth or high school or college or whenever that time was, and you think about your favorite subject, and the funny thing is a lot of the time your favorite subject was because
of the that was the best teacher. He was a teacher that taught with passion, excitement, and it might be something that's very trivial, but they made it exciting. And I think that for me when I started doing this, that's what I wanted to do. I remember watching my dad install and there's this these lines up on the paper and it was just a basic corner route or
a scene round or just something very very simple. And you talk to Santana or Lavernius Coles or Wayne or Patten, Hey, this is you and you're gonna do this, and I mean, I'm just like wow, Like you could see it come alive. And back then it was just the overheads, you know, the clear things there and he's got his markers and he's drawn all up, and it just I saw things
come alive. And I look back to, you know, the teachers that I've had in my past, throughout throughout learning, and you know, you just realize you got to bring that passion every day and you can't just install one play every single day and be monotonous and just say this is what we're doing. I mean, you got to bring some juice to it. You got to try to spice it up. You got to let them see themselves dominating and doing what they want to do out on
the field. And I think that's something that I like to bring every day. I like to do for those guys because I want it to be fun. I want them to be excited, not know what's going to happen when we're in the meeting room. So that like we talked about, so that when they walk in the building, they're excited, they don't know what's going to happen, because then they'll get better if they want to learn and want to grow.
Yeah, specifically, how do you keep it fun now? Because the guys talk about games you have and challenges inside that room.
Oh, we're NonStop. I mean we'll utilize all kinds of things. You know. I have somebody that we brought here, a guy named John Viea that was he was actually a high school teacher for a lot of years, and he was showing me things that he was using when he was teaching ap bio in high school and how he was making it creative because it's the same thing for teachers across the board, like they have to do the same thing. How do we make this information interesting each week?
And you know, seeing the different things that he utilized opened up my eyes to a whole new world of making it fun. Having We've got all kinds of different things like cahoots and and we have different interactive playbooks and stuff. So they watch it and it's a YouTube tutorial, I mean, just anything you can spice things up so they want to look at it, because otherwise people aren't gonna want to look at it, and they still might not look at it. I don't know. They they tell me
they do. But you know, just just as many games, as many things that they can test themselves and enjoy themselves, and you make it very competitive.
Where did that relationship to help you? And John who if you go to the Jets website, he is the team's instructional designer.
Yes, we've known each other for quite a while. We were together in college at one point. It's funny look.
You see Davis.
You see Davis was so John and I lived together along with the Jero Evere who's now the defensive coordinator at the Carolina Panthers. So it's a pretty good house, some good football minds there. But so we had known each other. John and I majored in neurobiology together, so I was working with John for school and then I would go with e Jerro for football. So those were kind of my two best friends in the world that
I was always with and I've always kept in contact. Obviously, Jeri and I were lucky enough to be with each other last year, and John came with us, so it was all three of us, and John was the one that was able to communicate to us and show us that crossover of taking the different world of football and putting it into this gaming slash learning environment that is kind of what's going on in today's world. I mean,
people have their phones, iPads, all those things. So you have to as a coach, you have to adjust, you have to adapt, and anyway we can have the guys learn things faster, understand what they're supposed to do better. You're going to try to do that and get that advantage.
You're a unique dude for a number of reasons. But you see Davis neural biology major. Yeah, what were you thinking?
Yeah, there was a time I wanted to be a doctor.
Yeah.
I mean I always tell people if I could have done surgery on the fifty yard line with eighty thousand people watching it, I probably would have wanted to do that. But instead now I'm a coach. It's both very hard but but but no, it was. It was the hardest, one of the harder majors in Davis. And absolutely loved it.
It was.
It was a great experience.
That's amazing because again, talk to a number of coaches over the years. I don't think anybody was normal.
There's a couple that have some good Oh yeah, there's a couple.
Yeah, I mean they got interesting background, some engineering guys. Yeah, but I'm not neural biology.
Ye know, it was fun. It would have been fun to be a Just imagine me walking in doing surgery on you. You probably go the other way, all right.
The run game. You talked about your red zone successes in Green Bay. This is a passing league, but how much emphasis do you put on the run as far as attacking defenses?
Quite a bit. I mean you have to be balanced. It's funny looking back at that year that Aaron threw all the touchdowns, a lot of those things were on run alerts. We had a run called and there was an advantageous look, so it was able to take the easy completion and guys were in space and able to make big plays. So, you know, I think that you have to be balanced in this league. You can't just do one thing because you never want a defense to
be able to just shut one thing down. And I think even when you have a guy like Aaron Rodgers that you want to go back there and throw the ball every single play, you have to make them on of the run because if they honor the run, it's going to make it better for Aaron. So I think as long as everything's playing against each other and they don't know exactly what they're gonna see, I think that's the most important thing. So there's a place for both.
You didn't know one hundred percent if Rogers was gonna come here when you took this job. It's like I'm gonna be Jets offensive coordinator. What did you like about the personnel when you entered and when you see the guys as far as wide receivers, the backs, and then obviously the offensive line. What did you like about this unit?
Yeah, there were so many great things. I mean, it's a young team, a young group, and they did an amazing job drafting last year. And I think that every team you walk into you're always excited about what you've seen on tape, but we'll really never know until we're out on the field in the meeting rooms and continually talking and conversing and getting to know each other. So I think there's definitely a ton of young talent here, a lot of good football players, and I'm excited to work with them.
How can Lazard help? And you talked about it before, but specifically Garrett Wilson who had eleven hundred yards receiving last year and the Jets played four different quarterbacks, and then Nicole Hartman Junior, a multi dimensional threat who comes on board after playing the last few years with the Chiefs.
All those guys. The good thing about those guys is they're all specific in things that they can do, but they all do a little bit of everything, so it's not that we have to just pigeonhole one guy into one thing. So I think it's going to be really fun to be able to move those guys around, have them line up all over the place so people can't track them and motion them and hand them the ball or or throw them the ball, or have them throw I don't know. I don't know, there's enough time. It's
going to be so exciting. But no, they're all great, great men, and I'm enjoying getting to know them. And as we get to know them better, we'll we'll know where to put them.
And what advice do you give to the receivers who are playing with Rogers for the first time.
You never know what's going to happen, and everybody's always live. I think that's something. And whenever you put a play up there, there's we put a one on the number one receiver, a two on the two receiver, three, and then there's other things across. But in the end, you know, any but he can get the ball at any time.
How cool is that? As a play caller though, knowing that you essentially have an extension of yourself out there on the field.
It's gonna be it's gonna be fun. It's it's just great to be with him and knowing the man he is and how he operates every day. I'm lucky to be with him and know that we're always going to have a chance.
What's the off season now, like for you guys, what we've entered phase two? What do you have to do here before you guys depart for a couple of weeks because you're coming back to camp early this year. You got the Hall of Fame game. But what do you got to get done before the end of Beetrim Mini Camp.
Yeah, I mean you start from ground zero when you have a new system. So I mean just how we set the huddle, how we work through the cadences, the different audibles, the checks, everything to just the basic formations, the motions, the shifts. I mean, there's so many things that you have to go over as a first year a group in staff and our coaches, you know, for our staff have done a great job because they've had
to learn it too. You know, we've ron I have been with, but we've got so many other guys that are kind of trying to pick it up, and they've done a great job picking it up. And now it's just getting into that information of the players and finding out how much they can retain how much they can learn. We want to try to give it to them numerous times from now until the season starts, so they don't hear the first install just one time. They hear it in Phase one, they get it in the Phase three world,
and they get it in training camp. So you're just continually teaching the system because you want them to be able to go out there and play and not have to think about what they're doing. So it's about their learning progression here until that first game.
How much can this defense help you guys? You know, as you look ahead to training camp and stuff like this, because this is the top five unit across the board most metrics last year. The one step that they want to take this year is takeaways. Of course, but when you look at the personnel at all three levels, if you can have success on the practice field, I got to imagine you're going to have success on Sundays and beyond.
Oh no doubt, defense wins championships. I mean that's something that's been said for a long time. Offense scores points and gets people all fired up, but you have to have in the end, you got to have a good defense. It's going to be able to stop the opponent, and you know, to have this kind of a defense on
the other side is very exciting. And the fact that we get to go against them every single day and get tested by a defense at the of this caliber, and I mean they have some very good football players. Went against them last year while I was at Denver, and I mean it was a challenge. I didn't sleep well knowing the different guys that we were going to have to block, and we gave him run for their money. Came down to the end there. But I'll tell you, it's great to have a complimentary defense.
Your enthusiasm is authentic. How pumped are you for the opportunity ahead? I mean this is old hat for you being in the National Football League, But as far as this experience, this chance that you.
Guys have, I mean, it's anytime you have a chance to be a football coach in the NFL grateful, and it's you know how hard it is to get one of these opportunities, and and you're just so thankful. And to be in New Jersey aka New York City is just unbelievable. I mean, it's the biggest city, you know, in the world, and it's everybody looks to it. And I mean, now we've got to put the work in, and we got to put the work in to be able to live up to those standards that we all want.
And then we've all said we have and but there's a lot of work to be done.
Nathaniel, appreciate your time today, and you got to let us know when a Pops comes to town.
Will do Yes, he's come by once, Uh, but he'll be he'll be driving down here pretty soon.