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A Conversation with Jets DL Coach Aaron Whitecotton (7/19)

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Host Eric Allen is joined in studio by Jets defensive line coach Aaron Whitecotton. They review what was different in the second year of spring workouts (0:20), what changes for young players in moving from college to NFL (3:00), and the additions the team has made on the defensive line this offseason (4:05). Coach Whitecotton looks back at draft night and the picks of Jermaine Johnson and Michael Clemons (6:00). They also discuss what makes Carl Lawson so unique as a pass rusher (10:45), the defensive line mentality and rotations (13:50), and the versatility of John Franklin-Myers (16:05). Lastly, they delve into Quinnen Williams’s next step in his career (17:20), Coach Whitecotton's favorite Lou Holtz story from his playing days at South Carolina, and his journey from offensive lineman to coaching the defensive side of the ball (21:55).

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We were presented by went Beat Betty as a team sport, but together it went beat. Eric Allen here in the studio at one Jets Dride, joined by Jets the puntil line coach Aaron White Cotton. You're two for you and the coaching staff. What's different out there this brain Um, we'll starting with a bass now, you know. For the most part, We've got some new faces here and there, But for the most part, guys, I'm using vocabulary, I'm using terms, I'm using techniques, and guys, it clicks quicker.

It's like, this is what he means. And then there's some carry over to Eric, like the guys who've been there can put their arm around the guys who are brand new to like, hey, this is what he means, you know, or like, hey, don't listen to the tone, this is what he means, you know. So it's it's been really nice to kind of feel like, um, you're not starting over some scratch, You're not um beginning a

whole new scheme again. It's it's now we're able to build on that kind of stuff and get a little bit more to the next level, the three oh one to five O one level. How difficult? Is it for the big guys, the guys that you're coaching up here during the spring, when you're out there without pads and you're not doing any team run activities. I'm sure to a certain extent they like that because they're not getting

beat up. UM. So what what we've tried to really do, Eric is make it make it um like a positive and that we get so much extra work on our own that we can get farther ahead, that we have even more time to drill work and be like really really detailed with the stuff that maybe gets lost in translation when you're watching thirty team plays, that you know the guys at all levels of the roster are able to get really really detailed individual coaching. I think that's

really is what's gonna help. And and the positive side of it too is I got a group of guys that works really hard and gets after it. So we do some conditioning on our own, like real live UM play type conditioning, and they take to it. They're not they're not shying away from it. Um. We have really good attendance and it's been it's been really fun to

watch Moork. What are you stressing? What do you emphasizing in terms of technique here out break, the same thing that will stress whenever we get to game one of the preseason, Game two of the preseason. Violence and effort. Just those two things will never ever ever change for us.

Violence and effort. Violence and effort. Now, the technique part of it, like this, this hand placement here, this step, this footwork, that stuff that that stuff is all nuanced things that you add into the game that you're talking about, But at when you're down in those in that area and the trenches down there, some of that stuff kind of goes out the window, especially if you play with violence and effort. What changes for young guys when they

step onto an NFL field. I've heard from multiple coaches when you're talking about pass rush that yes, you can beat guys in college maybe with one move, but it really doesn't begin in the NFL until you develop those owners. Yeah, I think the biggest thing, Eric is um one conversation I have with all new guys that are coming from colleges, Like, you were probably the man at basketball at your school

and baseball and track and football. You were all state and you were five star, and you were this, and you were that. But guess what everybody else in here was too, and so was that offensive tackle. You're going again, So you ain't playing some bum who's going to work at Bank of America next week, like you're playing a real dude who does this for a living, trying to feed his family. So you better have your a game, you know. And it's not like I'm the best guy.

Just show up and beat everybody. And that's what gets a lot of young guys in trouble. And and luckily the two young young men that we've added through the draft, they've taken right to that and they understand, like, this is not a game. Like like I said, that's another grown man across from you who's got a wife and kids, and if you beat him, they don't eat. That's that's real. That's that's real competition. Should we start with some of

the free agent editions? Solomon Thomas, Were you with fran Francisco? Right with him? It's a former top five pick? What do you know about so I know that, Um, there is not another guy that you can talk about with effort. This He elevates everybody around him because the way he plays the game, his intellect, he knows the game very well.

The guy plays ument about violence and effort. He plays with violence and effort, and and that shows throughout, Like you see that Solomon is not a like really huge guy. He's not a three plus pound guy. But he plays down in there in the A and the B gap with those guys because of the way he attacks, in the way that he plays the game, and on top of all that is at all those things and the other his talent, what he brings to the room, and

the way that he approaches and plays the game. There's not another guy that you could say, like I'd like for this guy to take my daughter to the prom, like that's the kind of man that he is. So having that, like Sally is just like the complete package for us, this scheme familiarity, how he is that awesome.

That's awesome. We're watching stuff right now. Eric, we'll we'll go in there and watch some tape and Sally's on it from two thousand, nineteen or two thousand twenties, some stuff that I pulled from nineteen, stuff I pulled from twenty whatever, stuff I pull from him in Vegas because he knows what's expected and he's been a part of it, and he knows and now for him and really Eric is just getting back into that vocabulary and some of the slight changes in techniques that he was that was

different for him last year and and he's really hit the ground running with It's been awesome. What do you guys like about Jacob Martin. He's coming off a career year in Houston, UM, obviously coming to a new system right now. The explosion off that he flashes that, Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing is like we're attack, will always be attacked. Oh to Jim Washburn and Christka Surk, we will always be attacked. We will get off the rock.

And I think like when you look at Jake, that's really what he does, that's he does a great job of that. So why not, Like it's a way for him to flourish. And I think he's really add about being here and we're excited to have him because those those explosive traits, like explosions the number one thing we're looking for and Jake's got it. Jermaine Johnson, what was

Draft weekend like for you guys? You get Garrett Wilson at ten and before that was Sauce Gardner of course, and you might be sitting there as defensive line coach, but like, hey, Robert, Joe, Jermaine still on a board. What was draft night like? For it? Every year? It's stressful because in my opinion, we should take seven d linen every year. So I don't care about any other position I'm trying to. I have such conviction about a certain you know, one to three, four, five guys. We

gotta have this guy. We gotta have this guy. Go get him, Go get him, go get him. And there you know those guys. That's why they're big picture of you, and I'm just very small picture of you because I'm miserable the whole time if we don't get every single guy that I love. And luckily, man, we came out

with two that I absolutely love. And Um, I think for the organization, they're going to see why, you know, the fans, especially the organization, those who followed Jets football, why we really love these guys, Robert Salis said, in terms of fit, what you guys run wide nine and also just being um the most pro ready pass rusher. He was the top for you guys, the top of the board. Yeah, we just felt like Eric that Jermaine Um Jermaine has good pass rush instincts and pass rush hands,

something that can be developed. But when when he shows that, he demonstrates out on his college tape before he gets there, it feels like you don't have as far to go. You know. Where you go, you find a guy who is strictly just winning off speed around the edge, versus versus um God bless him, tackles that aren't going to be NFL players. Well, then now you have to work at them and just really really fine tune those guys and teach them how to use their hands and teach

them how to tie their hands and feet together. That's a whole different ball game, and that sets you back, not in a negative way, it's just takes more time. Whereas Germaine, we felt like, man, this guy already knows how to use his hands and pass rush. He already knows like his hands and feet are already kind of tied together. It makes it makes it easier for him to acclimate to the pass rush in the NFL, which is still hard. It's still really hard and still gonna

be tough for him. It's to be tough for everybody who's a rookie this year to rush the pastor at an effective rate. But he's got a chance to make strides quicker. So he's got the physical skill set. UM, and you'll like what you saw on tape. He was dominant in Florida State. He did some good things that Georgia. He just wanted more of an opportunity and everything checked out. But with all that being said, what was so important? What was clicking on that visit? He made a pro

day visit here, He visited thirty teams. He said this by far was his best visit. I don't know, you just have to ask him. I thought it. I thought it went good. You know, we um. I'm a straight shooter, you know. And it's just like, hey, Germaine, this is what we're gonna do. This is how we're gonna roll all. We think you fit perfectly in this. Can you do this, this, this, and this? He set yup and it was good and we're good and we got along and there was good,

good communication and good um, a good vibe. I think I spoke the language that that he is down for the way we like to play, UM. And if I was coming out, I would want to play on our front too. But that's just me personally, um, and I'm biased, So I think between all that stuff, I think it just it was a good visit. And and add into like all the support staff, how they make everything so smooth for those guys, the operations staff, everyone, and travel.

Then that he goes and meets with coach Um, then he meets with Brick, and then he meets with you know, and so all those things. I think if you have two or three bad experiences out of some of that, then it don't matter what what I have to do. Plus, you don't really get a choice anyways. If we want him, he's coming here. But all that being said, him having good vibes about us and us having good vibes about

him made it made an easy choice. How about Michael Clemens, He really flourished that past year a Texas his final year. Violent dude, big dude, what do you like about violent? That's it? Man, Like, that's my kind of guy. Um, Mike. Mike goes in there every every down, and like there's times in walk Through it's like, hey, do you gotta chill out? You know, like walk through And that's I love that. It's better to pull him back, you know,

than have to tell him to get you up. So, Um, the violence that he plays with, the mentality that he plays with, matches perfectly to our front and our scheme. That that's what really drew me to Mike. On top of his physical abilities, Um, his intensity to learn the game, all that stuff is is there. But the violence that I'm all about, that what makes Carl Losson unique. I tell everybody who was I wanted to know anything about the Jets last year out of your training camp, he

by far the best player on the field. But from your perspective, a guy who's teaching him in the room, he even for a professional, he seems to me like he got a unique approach. Oh yeah, for sure, I would say the number one thing. He is so internally driven to get the most out of his body, his skill set, whatever God has blessed him with. He is so internally driven to get all that. It's constant information grab. He's looking all over the league trying to find something.

Then when he gets on the field he demonstrates it. And and Carl is so unique in that way of just his drive and his passion for the game, his passion to grow and and still be processed oriented with it like if Carl doesn't get something right away, it's not like he just throws in the trash and moves on. Like he keeps working and keeps working and keeps working at it. But he keeps working at it a hundred miles an hour, which, gosh, you can't ask for another

guy like that. You know. I'll get text from him randomly about stuff like hey, what do you think about this? And he's just he's the wheels are always turning, and he's always thinking about ball and and it's a it's a dream come true for me. How can you change the dynamic upfront? Who Carl um? I? I think so when the number one thing is I think you could feel the last year in training camp, Carl elevates people on the field around him because of the way that

he practices, in the way that he plays. I think, you know, we have a group that plays like that, and then we adding more pieces to it and more pieces to it, like Carl coming back that guys see like, oh my gosh, like this is the way to approach it. I think it's only gonna like it's gonna it's gonna force guys to grow with that. It's gonna force guys to match that intensity or they get left behind. And

that's really what this. You know, when coach Wash started this years ago, it started on that competitive, nasty mentality where everybody's pushing one another towards the common goal of Super Bowl. And Carl is like the perfect example of that of a guy. And let's be honest, Eric like coming out fourth round pick. People still doubt him to this day and all he does is keep process oriented drive,

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the older president of New Jersey. If you're someone you know has a gambling problem called one seven zero seven one one seven, how much do you guys stress coming at people in waves, because Robert's been asked a number of times of how many reps or how many snaps they quinning and having this game or a few other guys, and it will automakele say that, Hey, listen, we want guys when they're in there to go a hundred miles.

Yeah that you can play fifty five plays a game in this front, but you can't run to the ball, sprint to the ball. I'm not two run. I'm telling about sprint wide open. You saying bolt, get your butt down the field and go touch the ball carrier. You can't do that fifty times in a game. After Now,

let's let's rewind this. I'm talking about running fifty yards to the ball and touch the ball carrier down tackle, come in there with a nasty finish after you just set an edge on a three pound man fifty times in the game. You you're you're We've done studies of this over and over and over. It's like diminishing returns. So what we try to do Eric is we just try to keep throwing guys at waves, throwing them in waves,

throwing them in waves, throwing them waves. And the reason for that is when we get to the critical moments of the game, it's third and eight from the eight and we gotta get a stop in the red zone, Quinnin should be fresh. So I'm like, go Quinnin, it's your time to shine. You know, we have to have him ready for that moment because if we give if we give up four yards on first down at the

minus twenty, all right, we'll be okay with that. But if we don't have third and eight from the eight are best rushers in there to go finish the game, then then we're kidding ourselves. So we need to have that a little bit of um rotational value. And and that's where I said, like, we gotta have eight starters, And that's where I'm going with I think we should draft seven d lineman every every year. We gotta have

eight starters. So I'm counting on guys when when we draft a guy John Marshall in the sixth round, we drafted guy Michael Comes in the fourth Like I'm looking at this guy, like this guy's playing in games a significant amount. He's not the third string quarterback. This dude is playing, so he has to meet these expectations. And he's got a rise to that, to that occasion when he gets that opportunity to play, because he's gonna get significant staffs and if those significant snap stink ain't gonna

be around very long. So it's a way for us to keep keep everybody fresh, keep everybody at their best. But also to that requires good players that we have on our team to be able to do that. Yeah, one of those good players I think that we've probably overlooked here this offseason, not you guys here internally is John Franklin. How big is his versatility and with the additions that you guys have made this offseason, how maybe even more effective can he be? You know what, He's

got to be more effective? All right, There's just there's no two ways about it. And he would tell you the same thing. He's got to be more effective. Thought a good solid year last year, did some good things, but he's got he's got even more. We've gotta get more out of him, and I think um having more parts and pieces around him. I'll give you an example, there was a game where we had COVID issues, we had injuries, we had some stuff going on, and John

played like fifties fifty four plays or fifty five plays. Well, there was a stretch of about seven eight nine plays in there. He was absolutely gassed, had played too much and he wasn't as effective. Well, shoot, that's on me to rotate better. That's on us to take care of the stuff that we got to take care of off the field. And then so that when he's in there in those forty plays, those thirty five plays, whatever it is,

that we're getting more out of him. So now he can put him inside to rush, he can play outside on first and second. Now we can do some different things with John because of that versatility. I think it's gonna be great and and and he has respond to that all offseason. His attitude is fantastic. Um, and I'm excited to see how he grows. What's Quinn and Williams next step. One of the most talented young defensive interior players in the National Football League, But what is next

for him? Um? You know, Eric, I'm not the one to put numbers on people or put He's got to do this to be this Quinny just has to be the best version of himself and um and I think we're we're starting to see more and more of that every day. He is. Definitely his internal motivation continues to grow. He's always been internally motivated, and we're seeing that from him. We're seeing a little bit more step up from him

vocally in the room, all that sort of stuff. And it's year four now, Okay, now it's starting to come together even more. He's healthy, which has been able to kick start him in this offseason. He's got he's got to grow and he's got to get better. It's my job to help him, and he's embraced every opportunity to get better this offseason. How much you can it reinforce back in and help you guys up front because you got those additions at the cornerback positions. Safety said a

makeover as well. And I always talk about, hey, not only front line players, are you guys getting better, but the depth is getting better at all these spots. Yeah, you know, I'll let those coaches and Brick and Slid talk about each individual piece. I just see some really good football players that have got added to this group. And hey, they buy us an extra hitch. It's our

responsibility to get there. And that's what those guys can do because they're good football players being coached by good coaches, and they get that quarterback to hitch and hitch and hitch. Now we got to do our job and put him down. You played college football at South Carolina right back in two thousands. No, this is Lou Holtz. Is what's your favorite story? Oh my gosh. Um, probably the best one,

Eric is, Uh, we were playing Tennessee. I want to say it was my red shirt freshman year and like this is Tennessee, like Albert haines Worth, John Henderson, like dudes, Okay, and then and I I want to say, shoot, four or five years in a row, Carolina had not beaten Tennessee, all right, and it had been very one sided. This was phil former years. They were still they were still rolling,

they were Blue Bluff. Yeah. So we're playing Tennessee and we and and this is like, you know, my first year was the year that we were able to go to the Outback Bowl and do some things where coach really started turning the program around. And we had gotten some momentum going into that game, and uh, felt good about like the places that we were going. So the day before the game, we're in the team meeting room and everybody's just kind of sits there in the team

meeting when coach. You know, we're we're waiting on coach because he's like like Coach was like a celebrity. You know, he was our our coach, but he's also our celebrity too. It's like, um, he could pretend like he knows who I am, but I know he don't know who I am, you know, because he's like he was like he was the CEO celebrity of the team. So we're all just sitting there, but when you heard that kind of door click,

you knew he was about to come in. He kind of waited till everybody got sat down set and everybody just kind of like got up in their chair and it gets like super silent. Well, this dude walks in in a full Tennessee uniform, helmet, jersey, shoulder pads, everything, and minds you, coach is not that big, but he's full decked out Tennessee uniform and everybody is just kind of shocked, and like there's some snickers or some laughs, like why is he doing this, he's running another team's colors,

and he's like, it's been five years. I don't want to do an impression of him, but he's like, it's been five years. What's so scary about this? Is anybody? Can anybody tell me why this is so scary? So scary Tennessee? Like this color, this hat, this ain't scary. You know. It kind of goes off onto like what what is? What is? Like? You see me and he's not an imposing guy, and I'm wearing this jersey. That doesn't make him any scarier. It was kind of his

point to it. And once he started his stick and doing all that, everybody's dying laughing. It was a good, like serious icebreaker to the lead up to the game. Fast forward, you take care of it. We got these dudes beat. They called a fake punt and excuse me, a fake field goal. I believe it was a fake field goal. The snapper takes the ball, he rolls out, dude is wide open game. When he touchdown, he starts, he gets a little bit of pressure, he short arms

the ball. It bounces a yard in front of the guy. We've lost the game. Oh my god, we would have won the game. Hey, did they do sandstorm at the time? No, that was a little after So so what's the story. First off, how do you get to the defensive side of the ball? I know it's lying play, but you played. Yeah. So right after college I kind of messed around a little bit, messed around, like not not doing good enough

in school. So it took me a little bit. All right, I finished college and you finished it Charlotte, right, yes, right. I went back home to Charlotte cause I'm from Charlotte. So I finished at Charlotte, and I'm trying to figure out what I want to do. Um, I worked for my dad for a while, our families in construction, so I'm doing that. UM kind of messing around trying to figure out what I want to do. And then I

just decided I just missed ball. I really missed it bad, and I had to figure out a way to get back in. So I went back to my old high school and talked to the UM. A D at the time was the same A D when I was in school. So I just said, hey, coach cluis anything I can do in the football program, just let me know, Like I just I gotta be around football somehow, some way. So he goes and talks to the head coach. Head coach calls me and he's like, hey, you want to

come over and just talk and hang out? Like sure, So I go over there and uh, we're we're sitting there talking. He's like, look like I got an oline coach. I feel really good about um that I think is good, but um, we don't really have a D line coach. What's your experience? And I was like, well, my red shirt freshman year, I was a block and dummy for D line the whole day and I heard and I heard, and our D line coach at the time was Charlie Strong.

So I heard every single coaching point that this guy made and I lashed onto it. I remembered everything kind of you know, and Coach Strong was really good to me when I was there, so he said, well, are you down? Ca'm down? So I started coaching D line that year and stay there for four or five years, kind of moving up the ranks, doing like doing some different jobs on defense. But that's how it started. And ever since, I've never coached offense in my life except

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And gave me a part of the New York Jets office up to the change. In terms of conditions that went bet dot com must be twenty one the older at president of New Jersey. If you're someone you know has a gambling problem called one seven zero seven one one seven, that's fascinating. But then you jumped to college right for one year? I went to New Mexico State, So what was what brought you to New Mexico State?

So here there's a jet centric story. So, oh, by the way, we gotta get to you one of your son's names, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's the man um Is. I got to a point in high school ball Eric where I was like I think, I think I want to do this, Like I think I think this. I want this to be my life. And um, so, the big thing in college football is this coaching convention. The a f C a coaching convention every year goes to different cities and coaches from all over high school college.

I think some pro guys go there at times if the season is not done yet. I can't remember how it works out now, but that's like it's like the Mecca and all these guys are speaking. It's like Urban Myers up there speaking and this guy's up there speaking. This is like at the height of their coaching careers. UM, Kevin Sumlin. I'm trying to think of us. I see I pulled up one year and Nick Saban comes up in his limo and gets out with security details. But

it's like all the heavy hitters come and speak. But so you paid for your way out. So I paid for my way out there. And I'm just like anybody I can meet. UM, let's let's go, and I say, hey, listen, here's my name, here's my contact information, and if you I'll do anything, just let me know. I'll do anything. So I meet these just randomly. I'm watching the UM I'm watching the National Championship game. And I meet these two guys who are junior college coaches in California, and

it's basically like, hey, are you sitting here? And now the seats open if you want to sit next to us, So I sit down, have a beer. I just start talking to these guys whatever. And they're like, hey, we're about to go meet this guy that we know that coaches college. He comes and recruits our area. Like all right, He's like, do you want to come? These guys are good guys, We're getting along. I'm sure I ain't got

nothing else to do. So we go over there. The dude they went to meet with Rudy, Mike Ruenberg, Mike Grutenberg, just so we we talked and I throw the same thing out and we talked for me and said, hey, look, I don't know what you guys got going on out there in New Mexico State. I'll do whatever. I don't care. And I probably hit him with a hundred emails, a hundred text messages all you know, anybody, I wrote a letter to every coach in the in college football, I'll

do whatever. At at some point he probably felt back for me. At some point, Rudy passed my name on to the head coach and the coordinator. They asked me if I could come out there. It's like, yes, I'm fired up. Let's go. Like all right, well, let us know when you can make it. Like, what do you mean we can't pay for you to come out here. So I found a way, like saved up some money and went out there, had a two day interview, and I got a job as a g A. That's something else.

That was it. And they do that, but you do that for one year? Did it for one year and then you break into the NFL. Uh, God's grace only Eric Like, there's this this story can't this can only be explained by that. So the head coach was Dwayne Walker, all right. Dwayne Walker was the one agreed to take me on, A great man who was a mentor to Rudy, And like I said, Rudy, Rudy helped me get connected to him, got out there. We worked together that year.

Well after that season, I think I don't know exactly what his motivation was, but I think coach needed something different and he got a call to be the dB coach for the Jaguars, so he took it. So now I'm there and waiting to see who the head coach is going to be. I'm a g A. I ain't making squad, but I was all right, you know, I was. I was. I was alive, I was. I was still eating and drinking, right, so um. Then word comes quick Rudy is going to be his assistant. Great deserved, like

they've been together for a really long time. I get it. Well. Then like two weeks later, three weeks later, out of the blue, take that back. Two months later, out of the blue, I get a call from the defensive coordinator in Jacksonville. Between Rudy and d Walk, they gave me enough recommendation that he calls and says, hey, we have this defensive assistant position open if you want to come interview. Like, heck, yeah, I want to come interview. Went out there on the interview.

The third day I was there, Coach Gus Bradley offered me the job and that was it. So what was Robert Sala like at Jacksonville in San Francisco compared to now, because obviously he's holding different positions and and I know you are who you are, but but what what was it like for you to be watching him while you're developing, and he was developing as well. Obviously, I think the biggest thing Eric was going from from knowing him in Jacksonville like as a peer, you know, and just and

he did a great job. Like we had we had a good defense. He did a great job as the linebackers coach, but he wasn't daily up in front of the team. It wasn't daily up in front of the defense. So I get to San Fran and now coaches in this like leadership position. Where I walked in the first day like hey, what's up, what's going on? But then you see him in a different light of he's leading the whole side of the ball, He's making decisions, he's got you know. That was like I saw from the

moment that we part of ways. I went to Buffalo and he went to San Fran. I saw, I saw so much growth in him to where I showed up in San Fran and it was u such a more like such more of a leadership role that he was in that I had not seen him in before because I was never in his room and and it was just cool to see like wow, like he's doing a great job. This is amazing. You know, he's leading this

whole side of the ball. We're good on defense, and and he's the guy running the ship and coaching everybody up in the meeting every day, leading the staff meetings and all that stuff. I had not seen him in that light, and it was cool to see. So from here it was more just like even more global picture of what I saw when I first got to San France. How much do you, as somebody on his coaching staff, enjoy the way he relates to the players and the

way he gets his messages out in those meetings. Um, yeah, I love it. I think I think it's um it was. It was like a really a blessing for me to be to work for coach Gus Bradley, because I think coach so learned a lot of that from him, but also to like coaches put his own spin on it. So to see those two styles kind of merge. Coach put his spin on it and Gus have his style, and seeing like, oh, like that's Gus, but that's that's new,

that's that's all solid, like he made that up. That kind of stuff is cool for me to see, like how that interaction happens, how the leadership happens, how he um interacts with the guys differently, like Gus was always very interactive with the guys, but Sali interacts with him

differently in a positive way. And I thought just seeing that, like again, that that evolution and that growth and coach from when we were you know, down the hall in the office too, when he's in a big office and to an even bigger office, it was it was really cool. And speaking of really cool, how much are you looking

forward to after you get a little break? Get? You have the veteran minicamp right now we're taping this in the middle of voluntary O t A S. But you get a little bit of break, get a chance to walk away. And by the way, we didn't cover this, but you do have how many kids you have? And one of them is named yet we have four. Our our oldest boy, his name is Jack's are second boy who was born in Buffalo just Jet fans, so you know, and we named him Jet while we were in Buffalo.

And then our little girl, Lila and art training camp. One baby Lorela. What do your plan? Just hang out with them? Yeah, yeah, we'll go to the beach. Um, My kids love the beach. We'll just go hang out with them and just spend as much time as with you know, my wife, who's my best friend, and the four kids. That's that's my whole plan. Look at you, and how exciting is this in terms of the roster editions that you guys have made, the scheme, familiarity, where

you guys are as his staff, the ascent. Something is building here. Um. The first thing I sent is being really thankful, Eric, just to have the opportunity that Coach gave me to be here. UM, that all the things that God has blessed us with this opportunity is is amazing.

So I'm thankful for that and wake up every day thankful. UM. And then just that, like you said, that familiarity, UM, I get to do Eric, I get to do something with this front every day that I believe in, Like I'll go to my grave believing that this is the way to do it. I clearly, clearly, clearly understand that there's other ways to do it that are successful and then are good and that are different, and I respect

those ways. But what what we do. I just when I first kind of like learned about it, when I first watched that tape of them doing it, I fell in love with it, and it's exciting to be able to pour into that every single day because I believe it in my core. There will be no read and reacting for any of a like GOTTFF that's alignment in two thousand twenty two or at any point after that. Thanks for coming back and put me in the grave before that.

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