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Creed Bratton on the Office. It's so amazing. It's so amazing. None of those have been funny before. Hello everyone, this is the Office Deep Dive and I am your host, Brian bond Gartner. Today I am pleased to present to you America's favorite weirdo, Creed Bratton. I know the Dozeks guy thinks that he is, but Creed tr rerually maybe the most interesting man on earth. Seriously, if you don't

know Creed story, buckle up, folks. Creed was a professional musician before the Office, like a legit toward with the doors musician, and of course he is still a musician to this day, though as far as I know, he's no longer doing cocaine with Jim Morrison put more on that shortly. Needless to say, every time I get to

see Creed is a is a total delight. In fact, the night before this interview you're about to hear, Creed invited myself, Angela Kinzie, Rain Wilson and others to participate in a benefit concert that he was giving for the wildfires that were ravaging Australia at the time. And let me tell you, I'm sure I was terrible, but Creed was awesome. It was so amazing. I felt transported back in time as he is playing to an absolute packed house on the Sunset Strip at the Roxy. It was

so fun. Anyway, uh, sitting down with Creed for this conversation was strange and wonderful, and I hope that it will be for you as well, both strange and wonderful. And be sure to stay tuned at the end of this episode because I brought Creed back in for a second interview the first time that's happened, because I wanted to talk to him about his song Bubble and Squeak and why we chose it to be our theme song, the song you're about to hear. So please welcome to

your ears, Mr creep brotton Bubble and Squeak. I love it, Bubble and Squeak on Bubble and Squeaker, Cookie every moment left over from the night before. Hey, what's happening? Hot stuff? My voice? Is that done? You know? Yeah? You guys rocked rock. Thank you man for coming. It was a good guy that the people loved it. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah, here we go. Yeah, I do the guy on your list is your volume? Hi? Thank you, sir? Do do do do one to want to Hello? Hello? Hello, he's

gonna start singing you guys. Uh, there we are. Hi, Hello, Brian, buddy, how are you good? I'm good? Yeah, that was very fun last night. It was great. Thank you so much for coming. Yes, well, you know anything for the animals or for you indeed, and for your right back at you via V. Yeah. So it's been so amazingly fun just talking to people. Um, you had for four hours, you said I had Greg for four hours. But it has come to our attention that he talks really slow.

So I think it's more like an hour and forty five minutes each where there's a train passing through. Yeah. Well he's smarter than all of us, without a doubt, without a doubt. Okay, so I want to I want to take you back back, okay back you started in music, you started where you want to go back back to you. I want to go back. I want to know, I want to hear a little bit. I want to all the uterous kind of Yeah, all back there, um, okay um born in Los Angeles. Yes, at the age of two.

If you really want to go back to this, William Charles Schneider, William Charles Schneider. Just like it said on the thing when I had the passport thing, it's all true. All this stuff is true. All this stuff about killing people. I'm sorry to say. Is there a statute of limitations? I think that's the only thing. Maybe I shouldn't discuss. I don't discuss that. Probably Wait, um, do you go by William Charles Schneider at all? My passport says it doesn't. Really, Yeah,

my passport says it. Yeah, because you've never officially changed your name. Well, it's my My lawyers and everybody says, it's just a house. You have to go to court and do it. I've been trying to do it, but say just it's say, it's really a lot of hassle. So my passport says William Charles, I fly over to Europe under that in the name. What about your license here it's Creed Bratton. Yeah, and then he goes, he goes back and forth. You know, I have them running

from the law for years. You know, that's not jokes. Not surprised, you know exactly. Um okay, so was your was your first big year? I mean, was your first band the grassroots? No? My goodness, gracious, okay, So my my I was born in l A. My father died in the war, moved up to cour School, California. By the age of thirteen, I started playing guitar. I mean I had played trumpet for years, and I was first chaired all the way through grammar school and high school

and stuff like that. And I read music. And then my grandfather, Charles, he played guitar in a country and Western band and my grandmother played drums called the Happy Timers. Then I had a band called the tour Case. We played seventeen. I was working professionally with this band, playing lead guitar, playing all songs from the fifties and stuff. Yeah, up in bass Lake, California. And then I had a

band called the Leanders, which means Greek Lovers. I was in college and I and I always played to make money, you know, time I got through school to play guitar and that was a drama major at Sacramona State and I had another band there. But right at the end of college I went off to Europe and then I got joined a group called the Young Californians and that was the band. I traveled around for almost two and a half years in Europe, North Africa, the Red Curtain countries, Israel.

We worked on a castigat Shadow movie there with Frank Sinatra. Yeah, I did. I I still remember Frank Sinatra coming to me. I was just like a early twenties kids, you know, working on the set and I had my hand on this board which I didn't know it was going to be exploded with with the squibs and stuff. It comes up and said, hey kid, and he's smoke in a cigarette and he said, a kid, you can blow your hand up, put your hand on the thing. I said what. He just moved me away. It was my only Frank

Sinatra movement. Movement. That's true. He saved your life. He saved my hand. That's what this is what your Frank Sinatra says. You're you're right, You're you're you're good at this promo thing. So then, uh, then I got act to Europe while later and I had a band called the Umte Floor not to be confused with the Austin Man the thirteenth Floor Elevator, which was a big band. It would have confused me, well confused to most people.

And we were playing at the London Fog right next to the Whiskey Go Go, and we've been playing all over a year and we had a chance to become the grassroots first song, Live for Today goes right up the charts and they were off that was your first song. That was the first song was Live for Today, and I was I played guitar and worn that and they played guitar on that. My friend Bobby Ray played bass,

and the Great Session Drumber hal Blaine played drums on it. Wow. Yeah, the Wrecking Crew and I used to play with the Wrecking to a lot. You know, they'd be hard, they had hope kind of things. They bring in different people and we play with them. That's one of the reasons I left the band is because we came back from tour about the third album and they had cut some tracks without me, you know, and I went and they said, well, this is the way they do it. I said, well, no,

I don't. I don't like this at all because I play, so I didn't like. Yeah, that was the deal. Interesting And so you were with the Grassroots for how long? Four albums from sixty seven, sixty sixty six to seventy Okay, yeah, so you you were the biggest star on the set of the Office before the Office, you were kind of the only stuff. Well, I would say that about the time arrived there with Steve Carrell on the fourty year Old Virgin. He was started after we started. I think

you were the biggest star. Well, I I like you like the thing about you know me? Yes, I like the way you put you putting this are you did you? Well? No, but it's true. I mean it might be technically true as far as pop culture. Yeah, you had I mean you had lived a rock star life for yeah years, yeah,

for years? Like you to be alive, my friend, I remember in a very Creed Broughton way, meaning you and your character on the show John Krasinski and I talked about this all the time, you walking in and beginning to tell a story and truly going that story is so outlandish it can't possibly be true. But maybe it is, and I think you did both. I think you told stories that I might have embellished a movement, Brian, you know, but I know I don't have to be bembell much.

You don't. But my son parted with Jim Morrison of course. Yeah, the Doors by John Densmore, the drummer with my best man at my wedding. I hung out with that band all the time we toured together. Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's all real. I mean, that's that's all real. Yeah, it's all real. So you you become an actor and you um studied with the method. Charles Conrad, I did a bunch of stuff before the office. People just think

that that was my first thing. But if you look at IMDb, I've done a bunch of stuff twinci'es and eight is Enough, and a bunch of TV recent things. You know. John Crosby, that there Will, the famous agent saw me at the Odyssey Theater. I've done a play with bow Bridges, you know, and I had my hair, you know, it's kind of kind of attractive, you know, and very very confident. So he signed up and I didn't have to go out on anything. He just said,

you got a job. Over here back in those days that we just said, you got a job over here, and I was just working for a couple of years wow with him. And then immediately prior to the Office you were working with Ken Kappas And I met Ken on Bernie Matt Show. He came on the show and he was a big Grassroot fans. So he sent out to Ambre Records for me to sign some albums for him, and I found he was like an encyclopedia of pop knowledge. Ken knows all that stuff he does, he does and

I healed it off. He's such a sweetheart. We know we love Kim. So I heard from Joe that he was directing uh the Office in American Workplace, and I went, I loved the Rickey Gerbis things. So I did something I've never ever done. Moore Brian I called. He gave me his number. I called the director up and he was he wasn't that starting? Oh? I said, look, I just heard you were doing the show. I love the

Ricky Gervais show so much. I said, is there any way I could come and read for something over there? And he went, you know what? He said, where can let me talk to Greg? He calls me back. He said, I told him we were a very interesting guy, and he said I think I think, he said, he said, well, if he's that interesting, let's see if we can work him into the mix. His words were work him in the mix. So there, I mean, you know, in the background at the desk the first season, and I read

right away. I felt very comfortable with everybody, you know. So when I saw what I had to do, I wrote a scene. I wrote a bunch of talking heads and shot about hours where the stuff AD left a bunch of stuff, wrote all this crazy stuff and cut it down to about five or seven seven minutes or so, gave it to Greg. You did this yourself? Yeah, yeah, I did it all myself, did all myself. Okay, no, wait, all right, wait, hold on. So you're in your in

the back, in the background. You're in the background season one, right, but you're like, I want to people, I want to play with you. I want to play with these people exactly. So you when when we're done with those first six episodes, you put together essentially a reel for yourself. I did, yeah, and submittedive. Now, the thing is what what gave me the impetus was on diversity day. I don't can you remember the name of our first assistant director, the woman

she was with us that first season? Remember her? I can't remember her name. So we're in diversity day. She comes up to me and Phillis and we have the name tags on our foreheads and stuff, and she says, okay, now you guys just start ad living as Phillis goes, oh wait, he's I said, that's okay, and she looks at me and I just give her the eyes and she said, all right, fine, your your funeral, you know.

So we started talking and stuff, and later on they come back and we said, you were talking and and they asked her and says, well, I just thought he was part of the group, you know. That's because that's the way I was react acting. And they said they said no. So they paid me off the side, but they wouldn't give anything after. I also did the voice for the elevator the thing. Yes, I did the voice

and that went over really well. The coal but the coal of the coalmat yeah, And so they saw that I could that I could do the funny stuff, you know. And so I had two things happening already, kind of like doing some little level, little fulk room, as it were, to kind of give me a segue me into this thing. And then you're right, I wrote, I wrote all this

stuff down. He creed was psychic. I had a scene where I said, Krazynski comes up behind me and I'm in acquisitions, and I just flip a step over my shoulder. I already know what he wants. I think it scared the cast, scared the crew. I liked the scaring people, he said, and this is the guy, you know. And then of course they took it. They took it far beyond I could ever I could ever think it would

how crazy he would be. But they still incorporated a lot of the weird stuff that because I would tell him about rock and roll stories, you know, and the crazy stuff I've done. Yes, so you submit this tape to give it to Greg Big Daniels and and I think I gave it to maybe it was it was greg Or Ken Ken Siborne. And before I know it, they throw a six snap page scene on my desk and say, Okay, here's your big chance with Steve Carrell. Make it to break it the Halloween episode. Halloween episode,

and then that was it. Man, I told the story before. When they came in, I met had this thing memorized backwards and boards, absolutely memorized, and I could in the middle of and I could go, but I kept that back in my head anywhere I wanted, I could go in on that on that scene and know it right away natural, you know, it goes bro. They come and say, okay, well we've changed the thing around. It's gonna be in this order here, and we've changed that some new stuff.

And Steve goes, yeah, fine, I'll just plant it over flop sweat. I go outside. I'm shaking. I've absolutely shaken, and I said, okay, look I've come this far. I'm just gonna wing it. You know. So a lot of that stuff that that that that that stuff, a lot of that stuff is improv too. You know. It just worked, just work. I was I was fighting for my life. Wou That is amazing. That is amazing. And and from

then on I am a guest star. But right away I heard Todd when I talked to Greg, he said, once he heard me do which one pam and someone making soup, he knew, he said, he knew at that time that was it. And then that just you know, it was off and running and lucky es ye, lucky me to get to play with you guys. And you said you were a fan of the British first, Yes, so you'd watch I'd watched them all and I thought

it was the best. I remember the first time on that old place where we were shooting there over in Las Area City in studio and Greg said, look, we're gonna try to do this thing. We're gonna have a laugh track, We're gonna have a lot of uncomfortable pauses, you know. And I looked around everybody and everyone's nodding, you know, sage like like we all knew it was cool. We didn't know if it's gonna work or not. Yeah,

and it did. It's interesting now that I'm thinking about it, because, you know, I don't think I was aware until today, like how actively you were trying to get in. I knew, and I didn't know obviously, I couldn't know the show was going to be that show. I just knew that was my little voice was saying this feels right, this is what you want to be a part of. And besides, I was very comfortable with everywhere, you know, we all laughed, We enjoyed each other's company. I mean, I certainly did

I know that I'd get feedback from everybody. So I said, you know what, I think I could just be very very happy here. So I did everything I could. I worked hard. I don't think I've ever ever shot a thing like that and submitted it before, you know, And if I had told anybody, they are tried to talk me out of it, you know, damn well, right, because you just don't do stuff like you don't do that. No, no, but I wasn't gonna let anybody know my my macav alien clad. It's a hard time for hiring, so you

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I didn't have a clue and I knew, well, right for the first we know we were gonna thought the possibly would be going to be canceled. We thought we were going to be canceled. There and then he called us back. Um, I guess I think it's one day driving in there to work and it's seen Steve's four year old virgin right there on Woodman right therefore before SADIKOI and I saw the post and I went, okay, wow, this is this is kind of interesting. And uh, I think if we'd been on a lot, it would have

been different. Been being off in that little uh micro caused him that we were we which was great to be by ourselves like that. You know, we didn't we didn't really we were in a bubble. We didn't really see it. I I think it probably took two took me maybe to the end of the second season or the third season, realized wait a second, you know, this looks like this could be something serious, you know, right, yeah, but you but you said before, like in terms of

not necessarily becoming hit, but that we were doing something cool. Yeah, we're doing good work. And I know I laughed because I watched shows all the time, and most stuff doesn't make me laugh. But I see and I knew what these shows were, and I would still laugh. So I'd say, well, if I'm laughing and I already know what's happening, there's got to be pretty good. That's that's the criteria. Yeah, right, what do you think that it did for the show? Right?

So the office comes out of you know, for lack of a better phrase, like the Friends era. You know, people were expected to look a certain way on television. Um, what do you think that that did for us? That that Alison Jones and Ken and Greg, that that they cast people who didn't necessarily look like primetime TV stars.

I think that was the genius of it. I think it was the beauty of it because people the average joke and could could relate to it, you know, and I mean the average Joe, not an accept deprecating way at all, just your basic person on the street. They're not glamorousses, you know, not everybody was a glamorous you know, these are average people. And as you know, a lot of people thought it was a documentary and they really didn't know it was a show for a while, which

which is that's brilliant if that happens. That It's really not about the way the characters looked, but it was the specific way that the characters were written, the specific traits that they had. Um, that I think made people respond to it, right. I think everybody is trying to find lightning in a bottle and they're they're trying to to say, how did how did this happen? How did

this thing become? Or the zeitgeist? But well, it's the synergy between us as as a cast, the writers, the directors, the crew, and when you throw it all together, you're you're trying to go, Okay, where is this little spark that makes it work. It's it's up in the It's up in the air. You know. It's like treads now blowing with these fingers, this professed I don't know what it is thing, but we'll know, but it's it's it is. It was magic. It was a little bit of magic. Yeah.

And I I think the writing was so brilliant. You know, I don't know about you, but I get scripts all the time sent to me to you know, to try to do that cree character again, and I look at it. It's not not anywhere near those ring. The writers we had come on. The writers are so important, so we just had to be ourselves and in character and then say I say the lines without adding anything to it.

And it worked. They saw the big picture. Yeah, there was something about the construction of the writing staff and the actors and the crew and really everyone involved that everybody cared. Yes, Yes, that was it that we cared. Yeah, that that there wasn't It wasn't about so often it's about self promotion or about you know, well, off I do this, then this will get me to this other show, or you know, I want people to see that I

can do this or that or whatever. But I felt like, really, at its core, the people on this show, we're just trying to make a really good show. Yes, I totally agree. When we were there on the set in those days, it was all about just that was the office and everybody there was part of the office, the crew and

the cast and the writers. And I think we've all mentioned before having the writers in the in the cast and having them take their ear on the street and then going back to the writer's room, and then that's that parlayed into that brilliance too. Yeah. Well you talked before about you telling stories. Yes, and they here and they come around and pick my brains sometimes, you know. Um, I think I told the story about Live for Today

with the grass Foot Hits. There was one of the lines in Live for Today was baby, I need to feel you inside of me. I need to feel you deep inside of me. Build Or magazine came out with an article and said, regarding the band The Grassroots and the hit song Live for the Day, we assumed that The Grassroots are a heterosexual band, and we went what we were freaking out because we're all from you know, uh. Warren and I had been the rhythm guitar and I

had been to Europe and college. The other two had never been out of California, I don't think, so they were freaking down. I'm saying, chill, chill, It's okay, relax, and I said, but I had this seriously after that article.

For a year, I had this reoccurring dream and I'd wake up in the middle of the night and all my ex girlfriends were coming at me in a circle, angry, naked with strap on, and I'd wake up in a cold sweat, a cold sweat and a little titillated to I gotta say, but but I told that story to the thing, and then of course they did the the the gay witch hud story. This is what I'm talking about. I don't know how much of that is true. I don't know how much of that you don't know either.

The one I always true though, that's true? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I remember, I remember just I mean, I think this is when you used a lot. But the one that I always tell was us in the conference room one day. This is really early on, and um, I don't even know if we can use this or not, but I'm gonna at least tell you now I remember you something happened and you go, yeah, yeah, that reminds me snorting cocaine off of Hooker's ass at the Playboy

Mansion with Jim Morrison's and looking around. What did he just say so many words together? It sounds wrong? Yeah, And we'll never know. Now, we'll never know that is don't know anymore as I am. So, what combination is the character Creed Bratton? How much of the character of

Creed Broton is you? Well, you've known me long enough to know that that I am not actually and used and we used to play him up to I wrote him as because I did write the character at the beginning, so he was Um, think of myself as a as

a crack tuning fork. It's a it's a it's filibrating and it's all mated to break and this it's and I wrote the physical comedy is from Jacques Tati and the way he physically walks, the facial expressions are Jack, Benny, George Gobel, Bob new Heart, and it's it's in a juxtaposition of all those characters that I loved. And that's that's how my comedy came around. And then I then

I so I tried to write a character. My original premise was that Creed rock Star had an over overdose st out on a Greyhound bus, ended up in a dumpster in Scratton, and Ed Truck brought him in and gave him a job as in the stores, a salesman in the in the under Mifflin, where he was horrible at and then they were frightened of him and stuck him over that that was the premise basically, and so he was just Yeah, he's an extension obviously extension of

this rock and roll guy. But I mean, I would be worn out if I had to be him all the time because because he's he's operating out that higher he's what that kind of he he's hyped up. You know, was there something physically you did in terms of getting to that character, like what what was It was almost like getting myself a hiccup, the physical hiccup. It's just

almost a nervous twitch to be him. Yeah, and even and I had I they thought he was joking some notes like wait a minute, I'm not I'm not ready, I'm not ready. Well, what do you mean you're I'm not. I'm I'm a I'm a rock guy. I'm a musician. You know. I write these soulful songs and that's that's who I am. You know, I'm more much more serious and thoughtful than that character. But when I'm in the behind the desk, I'm the chicanery involved. There's escaping from

the law. There's there's always been one step somebody in my eyes and just thinking they're gonna find me out. That was always my backstory. Are they going to find me out? So that's when every time we look at anybody, the thing in the back of my mind was going to see that I'm just faking it here and I'm cheating them and stealing from them. We were there so much that after a while just it becomes ingrained in your behavior and you keep it. Sometimes in between when

say when Creed is leaving the office. Sorry, that's been a murder. I'm in it here. Oh I'm Steve. I go well, I'll be right back. And you see my body, my body, head out. That's that's very Jacques Tati. You know, when I was in Europe, I watched a lot of this, that his comedy, and I just loved his physical movement, you know, so I would emulate emulate this and that's very cool. Yeah, yeah, because it's funny. It's it's half Charlie Chaplin and of Jacques Toti. Yeah. What was your

job in the office? Uh? Quality ashlets quality, quality, quality assurance, which he never did. He never did, was there any but the one time he didn't he game He came in one time in a year and missed up on something. That's when the car too characters rabbing sex on the yeah, and then and he frames Debbie Brown. He finds she's the only one not at work that day, and so he blames on her. Then he collects money at the end and pockets and himself. He's such a scump, scummy guy.

What what exactly is the job of quality? Oh, I don't know, that's the thing. I didn't want to be found out because they didn't do any work. Push papers, literally pushed papers round on the desk. Yeah, I'm not sure Kevin did either. He invented the Clevin. He did invent the Cleven did that. So that's you have that to live with. UM, so you talked about season two, you know, the end of season two, Um, we win the Emmy Casino Night, the last one we had in

the Casino Night. Such a fun episode we had gotten, you know, shortly before that, after like getting six episodes and two and four and one and three, and in season two, you know, we get a full season pick up first season three and we win the Emmy after season two, K, what do you remember about those I've never I always i'm I'm almost mystoic philosophy, Gu'm ryan, and I just I live in the moment. I don't

predict that anything's gonna happen. I just do the work as a day comes, and so I didn't look too far ahead. I just, you know, I just tried to be there and be there now. As they say when we go to the red carpet events in the Limos. That was the first time that I felt a little like and it felt like back in the Grassroot days, kind of something you and going to a big show or something like that, going okay, I kind of remember this this energy, it's a rush. It's kind of great. Yeah.

When did you start getting recognized as being creed brought in from the office. I think about the third season. I was in Trader Joe's and walking along and a woman pulled her child away from me and I and I was alarmed, but I was kind of pleased that my character did that to someone, you know, And then she looked apologetic, and I did say to her, said, I'm just an actress, said, I said, I'm not. I did,

I'm not that guy. And she's like, she just sugar, and she just pulled ahead child's eyes away, and I took it as a compliment. I remember my U. I did this movie years ago, a Peter mcdonaldi's film called Mask with Eric Stoltz and Samuel and Share. I was the ticket taker in that in that movie, and my daughter was studying at the Performing Academy in Manhattan, and she went with her friends to see the movie and the she didn't tell him that I was in it.

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is unexplainable. It is Why do you think that the show connects so well with young people? You know, like it's a show about I actually looked this up. I mean, this is a side story last night because we did the thing for your birthday that But then, by the way, thank you guys so much. Just blew my mind. I didn't see it coming. Yeah, I didn't. By the way, everyone it's tomorrow, it's his birthday, because I looked it up because I was like, is it actually today? And

nobody knew, so I looked it up. And this is a very weird story that I'm saying this because I'm I'm pretty sure you're the oldest, but I was looking at it and going, other than John and Jenna and b J, I'm the youngest likely yeah, like all those guys and so, but even I, you know, when the show started, I was thirty one. Oh my god, I thought you were older. There. Yea, that's what you're such,

you're a kid, sut there Yeah, well anymore a long time. Um. But my point is it was that, you know, we were still like, you know, early middle age to upper middle aged group of people who worked in an office. And I always thought, oh, well this, you know, if every one works in an office or everybody goes to work, like thinking, those are the people that it would really appeal to. Not and not that it doesn't, but it has such a young audience base. Why do you think that, man, Brian.

I I used to think it was because of the sweetness of the show and and there was a heart that the show has a heart without a doubt, it's undeniable. And how how does that happen? I don't know. But I also think now that in retrospect um, there's so much anguish, there's only so much vampire's blowing up and and threats of all this stuff, and the angst, the

existential angst of whatever we're experiencing. Own to my god, there's a cartoon there a day where guys looking at his dog, he says, I'm so glad you don't have to know what's going on right now. It's kind of that thing. Our show didn't really torture people with the immediency of our demise as and so it relaxed. It relaxes people. I think it's one of those shows that relax with people and they go to it to make

themselves feel happy. And I think we also came in at a time where it doesn't look that dated for an office. You know, there were cell phones, there were computers. You know, if you go back a little board, you don't see that stuff so kind of dates. We just came in at that sweet spot, I think too. And it's and it's it's definitely funny and people can relate to it, not even if you're an office or not.

The interpersonal relationship all these people and who do it so well, you know, yeah, well it's I have to give credit because I'm not the smart. But I was speaking to um, this woman who's a television critic, and she was talking about some of the you know, political economic things that are going on in our world. And you know, it was a show about a small paper

company in Scranton, Pennsylvania. But what what she was talking to me about is those businesses now they don't exist now, and there's in this nostalgia in a way, like like who would have thought that would actually be a good job right now? If you're in that industry, you work at Staples or office Max or Target or Walmart, you know, like you're working for Superstore like that television show. Now, like if that's the progression from the office, it's a

big box store in person, humanity or heart. I think that's a very interesting idea. I agree. And if you wanted to work with people and make relationship, you'd want to be at dunder Mifflin, not an impersonal Staples, you know, because you get lost and you might might happen and people want to kind of where we need that stuff in in our lives. We're losing a lot of it unfortunately. Yeah, like the concept of the show, the conceit, right, is like, oh, here's a boring here's a boring office job in a

paper company. Right, But if you look at the alternative, it's slinging paper at target, Like that's not no, no, this is much better. Yeah, we're a little we're a little biased too, though. Well yeah, I know certainly. Um, when Greg left to go start Parks and Rack, Mike and Greg laugh and Jon Salotta and Paul were there, did you notice any any change really because Greg was

still around. Yeah, he's around for a while. I think I think it it took me a while to to feel that there was more of a I don't know, a hodgepodgy hodgepodgy feeling after he left for a while. I don't know. I couldn't I couldn't even actually put my finger on if there was a cohesive thread that there was missing. But I think there was to some degree.

And maybe it's just my hindsight that I know that now so that I can, you know, superimposed those feelings over it, but I I kind of felt, I did feel for sure when he came back, that the ship

was righted to it at some degree. Yeah. I have to say that I'm a big Greg fan obviously, you know, we all are, but you know, well, because he just seemed to always support he had my back, you know, and he he allowed me to play music, allowed me to play music in the show, which is a huge thing, you know, And he gave me I remember one time I was did some ad lib stuff and I thought maybe I was right in the beginning, and I thought

maybe I was usurpre my position somewhat. I came to him and said, do you think I should have thrown that thing? And they said, no, no, no, I don't want you to center yourself every creek, just just say it out there. Patted me on the back, and I went, Okay, this is He gave me the carte blanche to continue on being my insane self sweetness. Yeah, and he's so damn smart it's ridiculous. Yeah. Um, Steve basically becomes a

giant movie star. Yes, in season two, talk to me a little bit about either any recollections, not even recolle actions. How was he like to work with You know, you started that first scene in Halloween. It was six and a half pages with him, right. Well, he was very giving and gracious, you know, and uh he he allowed me the space to to jump up and just do do stuff, you know, and uh and and we just kept going, which a professional just kept going. It was a long day. We were in that office for a

long time. But I had so much respect for him. And later on, I think it was season two, he was doing some scenes and oh it was at the end of is that wonderful, wonderful scene where the children come up at the end of Halloween and you see what heart this guy has, you know, and remember some other scene you could see it. And I came up to him one day and I told him, I said,

you are really really good dramatic actor, Steve. And I think it was a little embarrassed and taking because he's shy in a way, you know he is, And I said, no, really needs to. I think I embarrassed him just a little bit because I had such great respect for the guy.

And also, you know, you know how hard it is not to laugh when he's doing when he comes to this prison Mica or in the big overweight suit, you know the thing it's so hard on collapse, Michael closing, so so brilliant, you know, just great to watch it. I learned a lot from watching him too. I learned a lot from everybody that came on, just you know, uh Spader. When I watch Spader work, I was picking

his nuances and stuff like crazy. I pay very close attention to that stuff people that I respect, and I watched and file it away for characters for later. Yeah, when did you find out that he was leaving? I basically that scene in there when I say see you tomorrow, boss, I thought he was still staying. No, No, we all knew, and uh, that was hard. That was hard. I wasn't sure, you know. I think I probably voiced it with a

few people. I said, you know, when I think it might be time to just stop, you know, I really felt that. I thought, you know, without him, how can this, how can it possibly go on? How can I go on? And I would have understood, you know, really, I'm glad. Obviously we got to go on, And obviously the finale redeemed us in a way. I believe that finale just kind of like pulled the thing together. There were some great moments too, but I don't think they ever came

up to his stuff with Steve. I just don't think so do you. I am tremendously proud, quite frankly, of the entire ninth season. I feel like it's a little underappreciated in a way. I think that we were continuing to try to find the right formula in terms of who was the boss, but I think the show just started functioning differently. I feel like not a whole lot of shows gets to end on their own terms and and tell the end of a story that they wanted to tell, and the idea of you know, Greg wanting

to finish the story in that way. I felt like he was able to do it and and and I thought did it very effective? Well? That was like I said that that finale was so But did you feel at the time that when when Steve left that you would have been happy saying okay, let's just call it no no now you wouldn't to continue on. Personally, I think the show could still be on right now. It would have turned into like E R and people would have laughed and new people coming in dead. My character

would be dead. You know, although I don't think Greg would ever let anybody die. Who was there, I don't know, but maybe maybe. Um before the finale, did you have a conversation with Greg? Yes, yes, he he called me, and you know, he'd asked everybody. He said, I want to know what your your feedback is, how do you think the character Creed should leave? And I told him I thought it well, And I said, I think this is this song of mine. All the faces. I could

be at poor Richards playing my guitar. You guys, the cast all walks in and I'm singing all the faces and the camera comes in on each of you. He said, I like that idea. That's the last I heard of it until the table read. And then I saw at that time and almost cried. I literally, Brian, I went, oh my god. Looked around. There was my guitar. I didn't know I was going to sing that song until the table read. That's the first time I heard about it. They kept they kept it, They kept it just as

a surprise. It was emotional. Wait, they they had your guitar. Now. The p A went and got my guitar and had it there. And I looked around like this and I went and I seen reading the scripting. But oh my god, I'm gonna sing this song. And what there is Gregs letting me sing my song? And look around they're they're all they're standing bick they're smiling, and they got my guitar. They planned this, you know, we play. Will you play

a little bit for me? All right? Okay, I gotta tear my phone on just for second, guys to uh tune up this acts. This is the guitar I used actually on the on the show. This this old Martin and John think it's a good story. John, we couldn't get the microphone on the think and then the shot so Krasinski said he'd hold the shotgun. He had it under his arm when we were recording. You couldn't hide him, mind,

I couldn't hide the mic for the guitar itself. And then John said, well, I'll just hold the shotgun mic under my arm because he was the closest. He was the closest to me and since he was sitting there talking to looking over the pammit all the time, he's holding them right there on the sound hole. He's a team player, like boy, we know that all right? For you I saw a friend today. It had been a while, and we forgot each other's name, but it didn't matter,

because deep inside, feeling still remains. We talked of knowing one before you've met, how you feel more than you see, and other worlds that lie spaces in between angels. We can see. All the faces that I know have that same familiar glue. I think I must have known them somewhere once. Beefful. All the faces that I know, and all the faces were seeking air every day. When we

get home at night, there's one face me. And when my mind's absorbed on my private little screen and I'm walking, climbing through a sea of unknown men, I hear a voice reminded they're across the street, walks an old forgotten friends.

We don't have to say a word. It's really better left unsaid, just light through as that recognize all the faces, all the faces I know, and while the faces we see each in air day when we get home at night, there's one face week, all the faces I see each chin every day when I get home at night, face I knee. When I get home at night, You're the only face I need. So great there we go, so

great dude, yeah it Um that gets me every time. Um, we're six years since you sang that song in the finale, right, do you feel like the show is bigger now than it was then? Without a doubt, without a doubt. And I can tell because I'm always out on the road, play in front of people. And I started out on the show with two people, and now it's eight hundreds of thousand coming to see my show, and they come up to me and they're younger, and the kids that

watched the show then are grown up. They turned their younger symbolis onto it. Their children. Oh my god, there's young people who were born by that time who've already have seen the show and and know the show. It dones, it dones. It's crazy, right it is. And I don't know how long how long this thing will last, but it seems to me that just keeps growing. You know,

went away. Why do you think I think all this stuff we talked about before the Heart the Heart, I just think we should just enjoy it, and you just tryed to try to figure out why. I mean, if somebody can figure it out, sure that would be great, But I don't think you can. Our ticket exactly where where the magic occurs and how it occurs. Yeah, just accept it and be grateful. What are you most thankful for waking up in the mornings from your experience from

the off? Um, Oh my gosh, so many things, Brian, So many things, you know, just to to find that you can actually get together with a bunch of people in a community effort and and make make a wonderful thing, you know, and get like, like you said, without the backbiting, without the egos and stuff like that. For everybody pulling together for a purpose. It's that it's that sixties thing and we grew up. We thought we could change something, you know, and we did with that show as a

game changer. And to find that you can work and in a harmonious environment is pretty rewarding stuff. We all got to laugh every day, so it wasn't like work to get to be And that's the thing for me. I get to go to do something I just enjoy. It's never like we're it's a it's a blessing. It's an absolute blessing. Yeah, it's too bad a head end. But if they have good things have to all good things. We got a song all good things come to an end.

It's true, you know, Creed, we were a family without I think we still are anyways, you know we still are. Can't take that away. It's it's ingrained in us now. UM. I love you. I love you man, and thanks for coming in and talking. Come on, it was my pleasure offering well not just your song, but you're your your sense of humor and thoughtfulness. So thank you, thank you, thank you. Is this now? Are you recording right now from your home studio? I'm going to turn the recording

on right now. Thank you for me. There we go. I'm recording from my home studio. Yeah. Us, indeed, you're recording from your home studio. It's so good to talk to you. Um. So when I was putting together this podcast, we started talking about, oh what music, and I was like, whoa, what if we go to Creed, Like, let's let's look at some of Creed's music, some of his new stuff. And I hear your song Bubble and Squeak, and I just fall in love with it, Like I just it

was like the perfect vibe for me. So where did Bubble and Squeak come from? Where did the inspiration for that come from? Bubble and squeak. I um a year last year or the year for I. It's been so long which we have been held held up, you know, held for ransom in these in our homes. Um. I went to Romanian shot this movie called The Sisters Brothers, and UH came back and I was spent spending some time in London, staying at a hotel. They're just kind of cruising around and I this is my fun to

third third or fourth time there. And I went to have dinner or lunch or something, and they're on the menu, had said bubble and squeak. And all these years that I've been there, I never had it. I never I was always curious. So I finally asked the wait I said, what does this mean? They said, oh, it's when you take a bunch of stuff, you know, and you just from from lunch or dinner the day before, and next morning you throw it all in a pan. And you had some eggs. So I said, well, I do that

all the time, and I do. I I keep my dinner leftovers and a lot of people do just toss me with eggs. It's a great way to have a breakfast that way. So UM, it's kind of like your show, and I commented, I think this is just kind of like your show because you're taking all these bits and pieces and stuff and you're not really sure what's gonna you hope it's going to turn out great, and you throw you throw it in the pan and you see

what's what's gonna happen. Yes, we're taking what everybody said, whatever is left, and we're gonna put it in a pan and cook it up and try to deliver something fun and good. Well, Creed, thank you so much for coming back on and talking about this song. Thanks for letting us you bub and sweet, Thank you for you, thank you for using it. I do appreciate my friend now absolutely. I cannot wait for people to hear the rest of Mr Creed Broughton. So thanks so much, man,

I really appreciate you. Love you too. Alright. Well, folks, I don't know about you, but something about that guy just I don't know, it just tugs at my old heart strings. He is truly one of a kind and I am a better person for knowing him. So thank you so much Creed for joining me in the studio and again for letting me use your fantastic song that works so perfectly for this podcast. You rock and thanks to all of you for listening. You rock as well.

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