The Ochelli Effect 9-8-2023 Open Mic

The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall Street Window dot Com and listeners like you, yeah, yeah, y wake me up when September comes right, It is the eighth day of September twenty twenty three, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar. This is the o'chelly effect. I don't know if you were looking for the show, but you sure ourself found it. Anyway, Friday night and we are live. It is just a little bit past the ten minute mark in the eight o'clock hour in the Eastern time zone of

what we used to call America as I go live. Of course, if you're hearing this podcast, you don't care. But if you're hearing it via podcast, by your final slab of choice, your applicable application, your podcast or to your guess what, you can't call in. But if you're hearing us live, you could, and you might want to, you might not want to. We'll see. I got a couple of topics in mind. They are somewhat diverse. Let's give the headline ahead of the time. Poor

no to politics, how about that? And it might not be exactly what you think anyway, stick around and you'll find out. And if you want to participate. The number two call is three one nine, five two seven, five zero one six three one nine five two seven five zero one six. You know I would I would love to just do this as an overnight

DJ somewhere, as an overnight talk show host. I would love to just sit in a radio station where I've only got so many watts of power and I only reach a little area and do that and then distribute a podcast about it afterwards. It would be great. It would be great. I would be happy to do that. That might be in the future, And if so, I hope I can take my cost along with me. B Pete

is with us, and you could talk to him as well. But he's gonna get a lot more space to talk tonight because my topics are going to open up the floor. I'm sure three one nine five two seven five zero one six. I can join you by a Skype, but I call you if you message me on Skype. I'm Charles dot Ocelly. Most people don't do that, but if you're hearing us internationally, you may want to see You don't have to pay the call in, But if you're somewhere in North

America, generally speaking, it's included free. You can dial in three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six and the Friday night open mic is live BP. How you doing tonight, man? I know you're tired because you had a rough couple of days at work, you were telling me before we went to air, But how you doing, man? I'm doing pretty good. Sitting here cruising some headlines and found a naked news nugget for you mother. Than that's doing pretty good. I'm just wiped out.

It's been a long week. It's been a short week since you know, the holiday on Monday, but even a four day work week. They tried to kill us, so they all was succeeded. But we're often enjoying the the calm atmosphere of being at home. Multifiney fives place will drive it crazy. There you have it, and look, the weirdness is still being developed. By the way, for September eleventh here on the Ochelli dot Com

radio stream. I'm not sure what's going to happen. I have people book that have nothing to do with September eleventh, but I have open invites four September eleventh focused speakers, and I'm not sure what we're going to get to that day, just so everybody knows. And I have switched the days of the show. We're now only going Tuesday through Friday with the o'chelly effect.

I have dropped Mondays why because Monday's just seems to suck no matter what I do with it, I either get bad guests, canceled guests, problems. I just, you know, what's something the universe told me? Drop Monday, So I am. So it's now four days a week instead of five. Not all the graphics have changed, although when I did that on X this week, b Pete, you know, I found out that if you change your banner on X, even if you have a blue check mark,

they take it away from you temporarily. If you change your background picture really yeah, I'm a background picture. Yeah, I said, what the hell is that? I didn't change my identity and they're like, you have to go back through a reconfirming process if you do that. So maybe that's just the way they're treating me. I'm not sure, but it's weird and people are getting weird also in the emails, which I'm gonna get to next, But is there anything on your mind you want to start out with? I

mean, you said you didn't really track before we went to air. You said you didn't really track much with the news this week, So maybe I'm going to give you some news you haven't heard yet. As I go through a couple of headlines, I have the latest AP digest pulled up, just to give a general taste of what is allegedly happening in the world and what they seem to think is important in one of the primary news feeds out there that seems to feed the other medias. So we'll look at that at some

point. And there are some relevant things in there of interest outside of the Trump indictments and what's happening there, although those are present there as well. Not part of my topics that I want to begin with, but anything on

your mind you want to speak to to get this show rolling. No, you know, I'm looking forward to Sunday in the start of the NFL way I take it back in the NFL has already started for the year with Thursday Night's game, But I'm exciting because I'm looking forward to some decent TV. For a while, sports has been kind of hurting here this past summer with

everything that's going on. But no other than that, if you got headlines and you got news, hit me with it, because, like I said, I have not paid attention at I've not even had time to look at the anything other than the local weather. Okay, well, last week fair enough, and local weather has been interesting. We had the remnants of a couple of storms. I don't know what hit you, but of course those things came through Georgia, so we had some interesting rain events and such.

Obviously not as hard hit as certain parts of Florida and whatnot, although we did have internet interruptions and various parts of Georgia. And for the most part this week I got kind of lucky, except for the day that I was supposed to do a talk show appearance with a guy in France who hasn't gotten back to me about the posting of the podcast yet, but it could be of interest, and I talked his head off for a couple hours. I broadcast part of that on Ocelli dot com as it was happening. But we'll

get to that soon and see what the French thought of me. I also mentioned the fact that I usually have this odd racial problem with the French to the guy to his face, directly you know, I don't hide that sotough. So I found it interesting that I was able to do that and ask him about, you know, how the Yellow Best thing is actually going and what that was like. And he said that was a staged event and government controllers came in and you know, it was controlled opposition. That's all it

was, according to him. And what am I going to do? I got to take it that way considering he's there. Not right, But let's look at the ap because what is the broadcast news focused on b Pete? Well, it's got a lot to do with the indictments, right. Is it a political situation? Is it just the Democrats attacking the Republicans? Well, you know, what I've come to is that they are certainly bound and determined to attack Trump. The prosecutor here in Georgia is definitely bounded determined to

do that. But is the prosecutor in Georgia actually targeting all Republicans? I guess where they one go, they all go. But no, I don't think so. And you know why, because the grand jury gave her opportunities to indict many headline makers, including Leffler, including you know the two losing senatorial candidates, right, still influential. Right, Leffler and Purdue both were indictable, were recommended for indictment. Was Lindsey Graham? Okay, and she

chose not to go after that. Now, Lindsey Graham could very easily be a strategic thing because one thing that's a guarantee is that you're dealing with plenty of resistance from Trump. There is no point strategically in going after Lindsey Graham because that'll be a whole other level of resistance as far as even you know, making court appearances happen, having people surrender, et cetera. Lindsey Graham will be able to resist that a lot better than Donald Trump. Okay.

So yeah, just a note on that, though, you know, she's doing this as a rico indictment against all these people, so she's got to tie She's got to take the individual actions of each of these people and show that it was part of the greater conspiracy. And I think it would hard be hard for her to do that with Graham because he was he was on the Judiciary Committee at the time, so couldn't did have some right or protection

in making calls for certain things. What she would have to do is prove that he was part of this grand Trump conspiracy, and I figured she might have thought it might be a little difficult to be able to do that. So we'll just let that one way. I'll let that sleeping dog lie well.

But it's interesting on the opposite, like you say, you know, it's not a Democrat Republican thing in that she has just used this Rico statute that she used against Trump to go after the cops city protesters, which I found amazing that she would take that same you know, it was kind of questionable that she used this Rico statue, the state Rico statue in the first place, which is a lot of different criticizing that, and remember it is

a little different than the one that you might be familiar with in a lot of other jurisdictions, because Georgia's has these weird little ins and outs that are not quite as particularly like the Rico statute the way they use it in Jersey. This would not pass muster in Jersey a lot of the stuff that she did, because you have to be even more specific about it in New Jersey

and New York. But in Georgia it does work. And you're right there, is definitely not seeming to be an only left or only right attack here. Number one. But here's the thing about Graham and something I learned a long time ago again talking to the lawyers up there. See, you know, like the Chris Christy type. And this comes from prosecutors, not from

the defense lawyers. You know what. They don't have to get a conviction or even a workable indictment in some cases when they want to make a point, even if they just went followed through with the indictment, they know the indictment's going to fall apart. That in and of itself is useful politically. So the fact that she wouldn't be able to execute this all the way doesn't matter, because he's under indictment. That's it, you know what I mean.

And some people can't, even as simple as this sounds, and as stupid as this sounds, can't even separate the idea from indictment or conviction. Like they have no idea. They've never been involved in this stuff, you know, they they've watched their their courtroom understanding goes to like you know, television drama. So indictment, Oh, that's just like being convicted. No,

it's not but it is useful as a political tool. So if the idea was to score political points, she definitely would have followed through on the Graham indictment, even if he got that vacated, even if he got that nullified because of constitutional concerns, because of literally the actions of his office being protected and oh, by the way, you definitely need to transfer that to the federal authorities, because that's what he's operating under, etc. It wouldn't

have mattered because it would have been a useful political weapon that could have been spun in the media perfectly. And apparently it's not just these couple of headline makers, like I said, Leffler and Perdue, who were the opponents for the Senate not too long ago, each of them with their own corruption scandals and their own you know, clearly they are the elitist people that it seemed to me like people in Georgia would reject. But they were narrowly rejected for

the two Democratic senators, and that made news. Remember, you know, George has been flipped as blue. No, it's not. It's just that the Republicans put up two entirely way too despicable candidates for the Senate. Is what they did, because these people have sway in the state, even though

they didn't win in the Senate and everything else. You know, these people were making calls directly to the governor still because they had access to the new governor after they lost their Senate races, et cetera, et cetera, they still had access directly to the governor to try and pressure him in the Trump case, which is part of what their indictments were supposed to be based on. And grand jury's vote on this differently, So let's go to the AP

headline real fast. Georgia's Special grand Jury recommended charges against thirty nine people, including Senator Lindsey Graham. So that means that of the twenty twenty one that they followed through on, right, they left almost half of them out after the recommendations of the grand jury. Now, all you've heard the expression,

well, they can get a ham sandwich indicted. True, and it can be useful as a political weapon and not necessarily lead to any sort of legal resolution where anybody's punished, pays a fine, anything, But it's still a useful weapon. I'm just saying half of the people they could have gone forward with indictments on the prosecutor said, never mind, is that all strategy?

I leave it for you to judge for yourself. But to me, it seems like maybe she wasn't that anxious to score all of the left wing points because I would think that it would make headlines at the very least, it would get lots of extra attention. You know, look, we're willing to indict all these people in the establishment. Uh, you know, would you have to take a consideration though, I think her initial her her going after

Trump after this securely political. There's no you know, you can say, okay, well, so he's going after some people on the left too, but that we look at a case by case. This case is nothing but political, and it's a race to see who can take about Trump first. See, I don't know, it's become Yeah, I don't know. If I made that clear at the top, I'm saying that I do think that it is politically motivated, the targeting of Trump here. It is is it

something that is reasonable and could be I don't know. I I'm very like, I'm not sure about this, because indeed there are some things here that I think are ethically challengeable, But I don't know if they're legally something that you could go after. So to me, going after Trump is political. But I don't think she altogether just said anything right wing we're gonna go after.

That doesn't seem to be the case here after tru politically there, I don't think she said, yeah, we're just if you know, if they're on that side, we're going after a lot. Yeah, I agree with you, but I think that's definitely the case. In her initial going after Trump was yeah, we're going to take the right side out of this and see if we get him off the ballot before these other people, and then I'll be the hero. Maybe I took down Trump. Maybe that's what has

become, you know it. Maybe that's what has becomes who can take him down first? Maybe? And here's the thing, you know, I think that what we're going to discover here, though, is that they waited too long altogether to be effective. I think it's gonna do nothing but bolster the support for the people that are funding him still, and we'll get to that maybe a little later. But let's go through some of these other hey AP headlines, because again, this is just like a wrap up delivered to me

just shortly before showtime and the associated press. I mean, I get a lot of these news updates, you know, from these different organizations. Here's what we put together based on this or that, and some of them are skewed to the right, to the left, allegedly to the center, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, and this ap one just wrapped it up nicely for me, So that's why I went to it. Also, I'm looking to see if they actually included some of the other interesting headlines,

like a lot of crazy stuff going on in Pennsylvania. This week you got the one escaped prisoner Cavalcanti, not de Cavalcanti, but a guy named Cavalcanti who got out of prison over there, escaped. They're looking for him. And also you got the surrender of the Philadelphia cop who opened fire on a guy in his car was claiming he was out of the car at first and maybe wielding a knife. Now, he didn't have a knife on him, apparently at this time, it looks like and maybe there were knives in the

car, but so did they see a knife? Did he? But within five seconds of engaging with a motorist on a traffic stop, they shot a sitting in his passenger seat, and he was still squirming around and moving for a little bit. But he's dead anyway. So that's going on in Pennsylvania. But let's get back to the AP headlines. I'm not sure if it's in here. I didn't read them all, so I read the Georgia's Special

Council one. But they also focus on Senator Lindsey Graham has denied any wrongdoing after a special grand jury and Georgia recommended indictments against thirty nine people, including Graham, over efforts to overturn twenty twenty election results in the state by Donald Trump and others. Nineteen people were ultimately charged by prosecutors. Okay. Next headline and subheadline bodycam shows prolific federal drug prosecutor offering cops business card in dui

crash arrest Okay. Body camera video obtained by AP shows one of the nation's most prolific drug prosecutors offering police's business card in an apparent attempt to blood fallout from a July four crash in which he was accused of being drunk and fleeing the scene. Next headline, the IRS plans to crack down on one six

hundred millionaires to collect millions of dollars in back taxes. Now, I want you to pay attention to this only because the PR war is going to go on for the next year and a half, leading up to and through the selection process in November, where there's going to be a wrestling match over the

IRS and who's going to weaponize it properly and improperly. That is something that's going to be part of the Potus campaign, I assure you, So stay on at the IRS plans crackdown on sixteen hundred millionaires to collect millions of dollars in back taxes. The IRS announced on Friday it is launching an effort to aggressively pursue sixteen hundred millionaires and seventy five large business partnerships that owe hundreds of

millions of dollars in past to taxes. And some people will try to celebrate that and think that that's going to provide you relief. But you know, it doesn't seem like my life ever changes no matter how much the IRS collector doesn't. So I'm guessing it's not going to change much. But it might make some people feel good if some of these millionaires actually pay their taxes, you know, unlike the guy who was out there literally running a piracy thing,

which I was just reading about. He came up with a methodology to turn around and you know pretty much take like Netflix and a whole bunch of movie services and put them all together through his own app and sell them to people for about twenty dollars a month, so that you could have like, you know, one hundred and fifty dollars worth of services for twenty bucks a

month. And it took the FEDS a couple of years to finally bust this guy, despite the fact that he became a YouTube star showing people, you know, his driveway full of like eighteen cars and his mansion and his uh gold chain probably weighing three pounds and everything else. Yeah, it took him a couple of years to bust them. And this guy keeps me making YouTube videos. I don't know, I might focus on that in his show coming up soon. Here's a guy running around going, look, I'm pretty much

a gangster. I'm a digital gangster. And nobody got on him for a while. And yet, you know what, a guy like me puts the wrong copywritten piece of material into a podcast and I get screwed. But anyway, I guess there is privilege still in the ambiguity, the ambiguous world of the Internet. So let's get to some other relevant stuff. In the next section of the ap release, Nancy Pelosi says she'll seek House re election in

twenty twenty four, dismissing talk of retirement at age eighty three. Former House Speaker n This is the subheadline. Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Friday announced she will seek re election to Congress in twenty twenty four as Democrats try to win back the majority, saying democracy is at stake and that's in quotes who vpte here. I'm gonna pause and let you speak on this because gee, this is a point that I was making earlier. And don't worry. We're

getting to the porno soon if you're waiting on it. But it's not going to involve Nancy Pelosi, I assure you. But anyway, what a damn that's a bizarre image. Anyways, BP, what do you think about Nancy Pelosi once again maybe seeking to be House Speaker? And uh, she's not too old or anything, is she? I know? Him being agist? Right? Got go ahead. What do you got to say. Well, I'm with I'm very agist. I think yeah, it's time for her to

go. And she'd think fine Stein and and miss McConnell and the rest of them. I mean, that's a true professional politician that at her age refuses to give up the ghost. You know, she makes money by being there.

God knows how much her husband makes by all the insider trading going on, and she can't give it up, Which makes me wonder if they're so You know, if these professional politicians there, their money is stretched so bad that they have to keep that income that they're getting rolling in just to be able to exist. You look at mister O'Connell. Apparently he's got extensive tized to China through his wife. She's Chinese. A lot of people don't know

that on that side of the aisle. You know, it's they're true professional politicians. And this is where the evidence is concrete that at that age they can't step down and Okay, you've had your fun, you've had your power. She was Speaker of the House. I don't think she thinks she's going to win it back. It's time for her to sit down and take a few people with her. And that's what I and that has been part of the problem for years, is reelecting these career politicians. Our government wasn't set

up for career politicians. It was the citizen politician that was going to help keep things straight. And now it's just you know, a good old boys and good old ladies network of lawyers and lobbyists and business interests, and it's been totally perverted from the bottom up. So absolutely, and see the people of California that have to make the head choice again, right, I mean, look, the system is ill, and it's not going to improve itself

by installing people that are barely functional. I know they still want access. I don't think it's about the paycheck, you know, because that paycheck pails in comparison to the amount of money they end up making. And whether it's Paul Pelosi's uh, you know, situations forgetting about his underwear video and getting bashed in the head with a hammer, forget about all that. I mean, you take a look at the amount of money he's been able to make

while his wife is there. What I mean by paycheck, it's the paycheck will pays the bills. That's what he'll pay their rent. The paycheck. Where they make the money is the insider trading that goes on, and that's what they can't let go off. They just can't exactly, it's too addictive to him. Well, and look, I'll skip around on a couple other things here in the AP, but I think it's relevant. Trump hosts one hundred thousand dollars per person fundraiser to help Juliani pay legal bills. I thought

that was funny. He didn't give him the money himself, but he was willing to host one hundred thousand dollars per person thing to raise money for Giuliani. And apparently the lawyer needs a lawyer anyways, that is what it is. Country Stars Zach Bryant says he was arrested in jailed briefly in northeastern Oklahoma.

I'm not sure where that story's going. But also there's something I'm going to click on here which is interesting because this is all from just my AP newsletter thing that came through, and I'm gonna click on this and see where it goes because this ought to be of interest and what is it called? Well, I love this not real news. A look at what didn't happen this week, is what the headline says from the AP. Okay, so I have not read this ahead of time. I want to take a look

at this and see what we got. A roundup of some of the most This is from the article and it was published by the Associated Press at eleven thirty am today alrighty eastern by the way eastern daylight time. A roundup of some of the most popular but completely untrue stories and visuals of the week. None of these are legit, even though they were shared widely on social media.

The Associated Press checked them out. Here are the facts according to the Associated Press, that is anyway, claim officials confirmed, and a bowla outbreak at the burning Man festival in Nevada, where a national emergency was declared. Okay, I missed the national emergency thing. I heard something about a bola at burning Man though, along with people get just getting trapped there and such.

But anyway, here's the facts according to the AP. And I'm not going to read the whole thing, but I'll give you a part of it. Federal health officials told the AP they have not received any reports of the bowler cases at the Nevada event. A screenshot of a supposed post from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirming such cases was fabricated and there is no record of a national emergency being declared. The claims emerged after summer storm left

muddy roads flood stranding tens of thousands of partygoers at the event. Organizers let organizers let traffic flow out of the main road Monday afternoon. So it was announced earlier that burning Man was declared a national emergency because it was flooded, and so they sent in FEMA, A woman claims in a TikTok video shared

on Instagram, suggesting the development was suspicious. The AP found no record, including on federal websites and in White House announcements, of a national emergency declaration, and FEMA confirmed that it was not involved in the situation. Okay, so there's that. You can't be saying that federal agencies are involved if they never bothered to announce it. I mean, as far as I know.

I mean, some people might disagree with me, I guess, but it seems to me like maybe the you know, the AP did some due diligence and let's see, that's my link. I just clicked on, but I don't know. It's awfully long. I put it in the o'chelly live chat room in case you want to follow along with me as I read through this not real news. Let's see what the next installment here. Arkansas isn't ditching voting machines for paper ballots, despite claims online. The claim is Arkansas is

switching to election ballots that are marked by hand rather than by machine. The facts, there's been no statewide change in how voters cast ballots. Election officials and voters rights groups in Arkansas say residents will still continue to use voting machines in nearly every county in the state. One rural county recently approved a plan to start using paper ballots. So what we have is people claiming that something is statewide and actually it's one county. There you go. This is how

misinformation spreads, and when it's popular, it's popular. Okay. Social media posts misconstrue the efficacy of vaccines for flu measles, MOMPS, and rubella. Oh god, here we go. Claims vaccines for flu measles, MOMPS, and rubella were developed decades ago, yet the diseases haven't been eradicated, proving that the immunizations don't work. Well, I don't care what it is they say here, because guess what, why do we still need a vaccination if

there is indeed no disease left? Just a quick question there for your own minds, just like, how is it that somebody was unvaccinated in dangers the vaccinated if the vaccination present prevent protects them. I always ask this question. I think it's an open question there anyway, That is the extent of their alleged news that didn't happen this week. So there you go. One thing at the end, though, you know, is an and on, because

you gotta definitely give the establishment their due. But a couple of things there are just honest misappropriations of people taking seriously TikTok videos and hyperbolic and anouncements about a state and what they're doing when only one rural county actually change things. Now, could these things become true in the future. Some of these things, well, the burning Man Festival is not going to be declared anything.

And if there's well, if there's no if there's no announcement of bibola, I don't know where they got that from, except that Ebola sufficiently scares people, and people like to grab stuff like that, and all you gotta do is have one person on TikTok say something, and if it sounds like a good deal, like oh, look at these scumbags at burning Man, Hey, I bet yeah, they're going to bring in new diseases. I mean,

why not just include super aids into it or something. I mean, hey, a new venereal disease has been created at burning Man just this weekend we discovered why not say stuff like that at least that could be plausible and take time to track down. If you're gonna say ebola was found and there's no ebola, and you're gonna say that a national emergency was declared, well you to have to back it up because a national emergency is qualified by certain

things. And yes, it would involve announcements being made by the federal government because they're the ones who declare that stuff. And if you're gonna say FEMA has been engaged, you better have proof of that too, because if FEMA has not been engaged, they haven't. It's pretty simple. But there's other going into arguments over efficacy and all that. These are not new news stories of any kind. These are old arguments, and people who know my show

know where I stand on it. But that's not even relevant. It's not a matter of news that needs to be debunked. So thanks so much, ap Or showing us that you are still part of the establishment and occasionally doing journalism. But it's a mixed bag. I'll find that that little the little headline there about what online post misleading when it comes to efficacy and all out

of vaccines. And I'm sure they're thinking, you know, we just went through a couple of years of the federal government suppressing all data of our vaccines. I don't, don't, I don't. Are no one that I know of argues the efficacy of vaccines that have gone through testing and have been used. Yes, the German measles vaccine has helped cheep down the amount of German

measles that we experience running through children in schools and daytaares. But they make a comment like that to bring in to tie in this latest COVID crap in with other vaccines, and where that's two totally different things. The majority of the majority of vaccines out there today have gone through testing to see if they are effective in preventing the spread, and for the most part, a lot of them are. However, yes, there are issues with vaccines on other

levels, I will give you that. But this COVID thing, they're trying to cover the COVID vaccincine. I mean, they have kept all data from us. I just posted a thing on Facebook the other day about they studied the military and their use of it and the amount of adverse reactions that they suppressed. The federal government was the FDA, and I think it was the CDC suppressed those figures during the whole time of the pandemic. And that's what

we're not hearing. You know, they talk about misinformation in posts. The government's been responsible for misinformation on all is for the past four years. See, because your viewpoints slightly differs from mine, I stepped aside here and wanted to see where you would go because there is logic here. Okay, there's some simple logic, and what they're doing is attaching this precisely. They're trying to get in on the whole. Now we laid this out about these other

vaccines, you know, those vaccine deniers. COVID is the next part of it. And I don't even got to read through the rest of the article. Guaranteed they spin too well, you know, and we had this problem with the COVID vaccine, and that's efficacy is no unchallenged as well, even though we don't we're not allowed to see all the data, and any of the data we do see, by the way, is inconclusive given what the

mainstream media was telling us. Remember, they kept saying, this is the only way to prevent it, this is the only way to stop the spread. And meanwhile, the people that manufactured the damn thing, in their own data said that's not true. Okay, exactly in their own in the creation of this thing, they said, look, it's not going to stop the

spread. It'll reduce hospitalization, it'll reduce fatality. But you know what, and that's the drug manufacturer saying it, which, by the way, I would tend to think they would give a more optimistic viewpoint of what it is they're trying to peddle for sure, except Johnson and Johnson has disappeared from the scene, you notice on this, even though they were part of the equation

to begin with. I still say keep that in mind. But yeah, I wanted you to go at it instead of you know, Oh, there goes Chuck on an anti vaccine ran because I'm against all this crap and I think it should be a personal decision. And oh absolutely, I agree with you one hundred percent on that. I think, I think what I think. We Yes, we do come at this from two different directions and to two different thought basis. But there's a lot on this we agree on the

government. The government has a responsibility to not inflict harm on its populace, right, plain, a simple And they totally blew it on this COVID thing. Well there, doctors are still yeah, doctors are still pushing these boosters, and from what I understand, this latest one that's coming out is no better than the ones before. Absolutely not. Well here's here's the thing. They'll be p quick though. The big problem I have here is that all

that stuff is being pushed and any question about it is being suppressed. Now, I just say that you have a right to question these things, and that gets me in enough trouble. Just fine, But you know what I wanted you to go at it to see if you see exactly the same thing, which is that the government is protecting the pharmaceutical companies and not the people. That's the way I come down on that all the way around. So there you go. We wanted you to go, what did they I saw

a number. I remember you asking while this was all going on, just out of curiosity, how much they were making. Was it like one hundred billion off the vaccines? I think was the total I read, and I may be wrong, it was something billion the billions. Yeah, Well, the profits that were made off of this, it became billions because they were charging something like between thirty and eighty dollars depending on what it was they were charging for each shot, right, even the you know, the so called

free shots. It was coming out of Medicare and this and that and the third thing. So by the time you total it up, yeah, you got you know, like, let's just call it ten billion dollars easily. I know it's more, but let's call it ten billion dollars. And that's not including the follow up boosters. All right, I'm talking about the initial roll out and then the second shot deal. Easily ten billion dollars is what they were dividing up in profit, not in gross profit, I'm telling you.

Okay, So that's where they were coming down with it, and even when they were calling stuff free, somebody's paying for it, I assure you, Just like when they were doing the whole roll out, Remember Federal Express and UPS and all that. We got refrigerated trucks and blah blah and all this stuff and we're tracking it. We have global tracking and Okay, you know they got paid for that, right. I mean, UPS didn't do this as an act of charity. Federal Express didn't do this as an act

of charity. They got paid and guests who paid them, the pharmaceutical companies, and guess how they could pay them. How did they get the money to be able to send out all those shots even when the shots got spoiled and ruined and everything else which you read about, Remember the different batches that were just had to be destroyed. Well, you know somebody paid for those two. I assure you it wasn't just oop. So well, we're going to write that off. No, nobody's going to turn around and write off

that much. I mean, if you're writing off ten million dollars, it's because you need to write off ten million dollars because you made billions and you need to take some of that tax liability away. That's the only purpose for that. But anyway, I just wanted to make sure that somebody else would come to that very same reality that I was coming to, which is very simple. They're doing this as an act of propaganda. It's attached to it.

And this is an example of the most regularly esteemed mainstream vanilla organizations and news being part of a propaganda operation. This is not about just reporting the facts, which AP does a lot of the time, but they do tie themselves to it. Now Reuters is more guilty of it. Reuters is more hyperbolic, often wring my hands over the strangeness of the details they like to go into. But either way, Reuters is more clearly part of the propaganda

stream. But I wanted to show that AP does it too, So that's why I did that, and that's why I handed it right over to you, so that you would turn it and look at it and go, you know what, I see the same thing that I was already seeing. So with that, I think we got a couple of calls. The citious part, though, is the government right, they're you know, they're they're given

a position on this. The federal government itself is trying to snowball COVID vACC scenes in with the rest of the vaccines that have been out there for years and years and years and have been proven effective in many cases. And that's the part it gets me. Now, they're going to take people who had faith in, i will say, the normal vaccines prior to COVID and and taint their thinking about vaccines because the debacle of rolling COVID in with the rest

of them to give it cover. You know, you've got you've got the skeptics of vaccinations. You're going to have those. But there's a lot of people who had faith in the vaccine process that now that faith in that's going to be a good question because of what they're doing with COVID and trying to cover them with this whole propaganda campaign. That's that's the insidious part of all right, that's the danger of trying to you know, through contact and convolution.

What you do is you take a little bit of what could be legitimacy and you kind of rub up against it, you know, sort of like certain people claiming to be part of the Dallas Historical Society, right, you know, turning around and trying to make that look a little more legitimate for their nonsense operations. You know that that just smells a little more like legitimacy. Let's rub up against that name and let's project ourselves and yeah, that's

that's a little easter egg. Anyway, the deal is, that's what they were doing. Let's run this new technology up against this idea of vaccination, which many people do accept as perfectly solid, you know, ground level reality. This is. You know, it's efficacy is unquestionable. Let's rub this against that and try and transfer some of that gravitas to it. Anyway, we got a couple of callers, be pete, So I want to get to them and at least begin giving them there five minutes, because you get

five minutes to start with. This is the new policy over here. Five minutes to start with unassailed. And if we do assail, you will interrupt you. We stop your timer and you get the rest of your time guaranteed. Then you get put on hold and you might get brought back, depending on how much time we have. So I want to get to some of those callers. Nobody's reached out on Skype yet, but I do have regular

callers, So are you ready for them? Yeah? But I just will you know, we're almost an hour into this and we still haven't gotten to the pourn yet. I'm just reminded you, Oh yeah, definitely, No, we'll get to the porno. Don't worry at them. We'll get there. We might get some naked news and I don't know, we'll see what time allows for. But I want to get to the callers and I want to encourage people. Three one nine, five two seven five zero one six.

I want to get to these first two that are on the line, because there's two callers on the line right now, and then we probably go to a break, and when we come back from that break, I think I'll have to wind up on the porno subject. But anyway, let's get to our callers. And whoops, all right, sorry, I'm moving things around here on my screen, and there we go. So caller number one, I'm pretty sure as Harlan. So Harlan. I can barely see my

screen from the angle I'm sitting at, but I think that's you. How you doing, man, I'm just trying to leave. How you out done? Doing the same? Boy? Am I trying to live? Uh? And and and they ain't making it easy, are they? Well? This line it was like a call. You know what I'm saying. Well, that's the key to everything lately, isn't it. Everything costs more no matter where you go. Grocery store, you want a soda, you want anything. Hey, look we got stuff on sale. Yeah, but it's actually

triple the cost it was last year. That's all right, it's on sale this week, Harland. So anyway, what's on your mind this week? Well, I just come in a little late. I don't know what to day or Torno Lejah been til fanboy. But I did hear a little while ago the Mexico's governor it's signed an emergency health order. Bannon, I'll open and concealed carry guns in the county around Albuquerque. You know, on the premise that she can do that for executive order because it's a health emergency.

I was think, guess the first time that's ever happened. But that's something that's stopped up today today heard of Okay, that's news to me. I hadn't seen it yet, but that sounds like a problem, and the courts are probably going to face a constitutional challenge over that. I'm thinking, but go go, go ahead. What else is going on? I mean, unless you got more on that. That's pretty much about island them though, you know, on this New Mexico. So you know, I'm not surprised.

I mean, you know me. Oh, Harlan, Harlan, your phone. Your phone's going a little shaky there. Sorry, we didn't understand that last part you said. The last thing that was clear was, Uh, you're not surprised because it's New Mexico. I'm a little surprised because I would think New Mexico would be a gun positive state, you know, similar to Georgia, but maybe not. Maybe I misunderstand New Mexico. Uh, but go ahead, let me see if your signals clear. If not,

I'll put you on hold. How about right mark, can you hear me? Oh? Yes, now you're clear. Sorry, go ahead, Yeah, No, New Mexico has been a you know, pretty much a completely blue state since two thousand flower best I remember. I mean, you know there's a large rural areas of lower populations, you know, as a different story, but you know, the ruling class, you know what miners,

you know, it's it's a left wing organization. But what we've seen in you know, several these so called rich state utopias, you know, gun control, it's becoming most sexy, you know all the time. Well, yeah, I mean there there are transitions happening in certain places, but I was not aware. Again, I'm, you know, book my misunderstanding of New Mexico because I know any people I know from there definitely seem to be

on the positive, you know, gun positive side of things. But as you're saying, look at the politicians that are ruling the roost, are not You're gonna have stuff like this, Yeah, oh, wasn't from New Mexico. Sorry me, people was at Yes, Yeah, I was gonna say Bill Richardson, who just passed away, he on, he was from New Mexico. He was, he was pretty left there. Okay, Yeah,

yeah, that's that's one. A lot of stuff you know starting you know, out there in New Mexico pretty much, because you know, I was coming through there and lots, you know, back in the day, I was kind of a little bit disappointed, you know, what I saw out of him even back in But but New Mexico later, they like it. They like that government money New Mexico even taxes ss I. I'm so scaredy.

But the very poor that can't even clickt so scaredy and they don't get me wrong, as far as you know, most of the stake, you know, it's nice looking. I wouldn't care, you know, one time to live there, but not anymore. You know, if I was going to venture into a blue state, it wouldn't be New Mexico. Far as you know, the which there's a lot of these so called you know, ch state utopias, you know, not really impressive to me. But I

picked Colorado right before I would New Mexico. Yeah, you know what, I like Colorado, you know, for a lot of the almost libertarian leanings that are there. I know a lot of people think of it as a very liberal place, but there's also a lot of very liberal libertarian sort of attitudes in law enforcement and stuff like that in Colorado. I'm certain that places like Denver are a little harsh and whatnot. But but but the thing is, yeah, but to live in the rest of that state seems kind of

nice to me. Colorado, I like it. But anyway, yeah, I'm I'm over you know, it's about to you know, about me anywhere point five to two thirds of it. But yeah, I would I would definitely pick Colorado over New Mexico, just because that's not a bit surprising to me what happened today. I mean, it's I'm really don't think surprising is why not just go ahead and just reach for the stars and just say the

whole states, you know what I mean. But you know here again, you know, we're supposed to be innocent and self proving guilty, and there's a lot of other legal stuff. It takes ten mastery, you know, really kind of put some ideas out there. But the whole deal was trumping a lot of this stuff. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be held responsible for a few things. If I think a lot. That's this Lilfire promotion in general, because like this deal with this woman here comes up and this

signs a executive order. So I just name anything so you could sign an executive order own and whence you come in contact with fly enforcement or you know or whatever. It's a rest first, you know, get a team of Philadelphia our ears and millions and hours later to get out of you know what I'm saying, that's not a right. You know, you've got privileges basically like a school. It's the thing that I've said for years that I noticed back, you know, younger in life, that you know you really don't

have any rights. Most of the time, it seems like for the average person, it's you've got fucking privileges, and just like you, you don't have any rights, or you didn't when I was there. You know, now you can go to school and you know the dress. However, you won't do whatever, act like a cat, you know what I've been told. But you know you don't have any rights. All you have as privileges that can be ended. They're amended or changed at any time in the story.

No, hey, look, I mean it's a shame that you've got prisoners that has more rights than the average you know, school child. From this one, I get, I've never been to prison, but I have been to school. You know, I ain't never even spend a night in the county jail. But it's also a shamed the people this baby sitting kids, hating the high fires, hating the hailf months out of the year. You know, we're generally making more generally held a lot more than those than

the ones that's so here babysitting criminals and your local jails. That's the same taxpayers are paying for her, and I'll just passed my time. I won't come back like there you go. And it was about the right amount of time there anyway. And uh, look, it's an interesting thing, especially because you know, the prison system is not the direct thing like the schools are anymore. I mean, the private school system is one thing, but

the private prison system is yet another. And she's look, there's a lot of problem in the prison system, and uh, it's not necessarily directly just about the taxpayers, although the taxpayers do pay for it. Uh, there there's other people making money on it. And there is no financial incentive educating kids, is there. Right? Well, I guess maybe there is in certain places in certain ways, but not like with the prison. I mean, you can monetize people directly in prison. Plus you can use them for

slave labor, which you can't do with the kids in the schools. Uh, you know because of the child labor laws. So you know, it's it's a mixed bag. So be pat interesting stuff from Harlan there, right, Oh, absolutely, and I agree with him. I have to agree to if I've lived in Colorado. We were in Colorado Springs for a while, and I'd rather if I had to pick between there and uh, New Mexico, I would certainly picked Colorado. But no, I agree with him.

You know, you think about it. Must say for long used to work simply to cover the cost to daycare. Yep, and she was making a good wage as a nurse. But that's how expensive daycare had gotten that to be able to work, it costs you the equivalent of rent, you know, to have somebody look after your kids. And when we got people working, you know, starting out at allows you thirty thousand dollars working in the correction system, having to deal with society's worst and people are getting rich

off sitting and babysitting kids of you know, the normal working class. It's amazing. Our priorities are just really flipped in the wrong direction. Yeah. Well look in nineteen ninety nine, I was literally paying just slightly more for my one daughter to be in daycare than I was for the rent on the apartment that my family lived in per month. Yeah, that's the way that worked. It was just a little more. It was something like, I'll

give you the honest numbers. I think I found a cheap apartment in Tom's Over, New Jersey at about eight hundred a month. This nineteen ninety nine, guys. So it's nowhere near that. Now. You go to Jersey and that part of Jersey, now it's like thirty five hundred for the same thing. But here's the thing. The daycare costs at that time was about nine hundred a month. And I knew that that's what I had to do.

And I had to do it because I had a wife at the time, I was putting through school, and I was already working twelve hours a day at one job and running a small business on the side. So you know, I was too busy. And well, it's not an easy thing to do for the average citizen to go out there, you know. But the American dream used to be you get married, you have kids, get a house, you know, to build some wealth. And we've made it so prohibitive on people just to be able to go out there and have a

decent life. You don't have to be making six figures a year to have a decent life, but you don't need the burden of government on top of you, taking money from you and just pissing it away on everything that our government pisses money away on. Well, I don't even get me started on that. Look, the city were just putting such a burden on fam especially

young families now, you know, wanting to get a start. With the way the housing market is, with the way that pay in equity is, It's just such a burden that we put on people, and I don't understand why our government is doing it. It's just wrong. Look like I said, when when I when I, you know, went into the adult world at the age of eighteen, when I could first sign a contract to actually

legally rent an apartment. Right when I was able to go do that in New Jersey, I could work a minimum wage job get about four dollars and fifty cents an hour. It would take me two weeks at full time wages to pay my rent, and then the other two weeks of a month that was the rest of my expenses. I had to make adam two weeks worth of paycheck. Well, if I was at minimum wage in Jersey right now, I'm not coming nowhere near any of that. There's no way for me

to learn on an apartment by myself. I can't even get close to that with the minimum wage job. Despite the fact that I think they're at about triple that in minimum wage. It's that Look my apartment, which again, like I said, in eight hundred dollars apartment back in my early adulthood, or a five hundred dollars a month apartment or six hundred dollars a month apartment.

You're looking at something that has gone up six times. So you have three times the increase in minimum wage, and you have six times the increase in minimum housing. That's how the math works. If you're paying less than if you're paying less than a thousand dollars a month for an apartment in most urban areas, you're falling behind. Yeah, well I wasn't even in an urban area. I'm talking about on the Jersey Sure, this is not in the city. Even we're you know, you could survive it, though no

longer is that the case. And like I said, Tom's River, it's not the greatest place in the world, but it's not the worst place in the world. If you look at it in Jersey, you take a look at its crime statistics and everything. It's you know, it's active, but it's not you know, it's not a horrible place. There's retirement communities there, there's a mix of population there. It's racially diverse all that, and

yet I'm telling you you can't survive there on anything. Like you know, you need two three minimum wage workers to pay for an apartment, So how do you do that? How do you do that with a family? How do you do that? Coming out of high school? If you go straight to work, what do you do? And even if you go to college, I mean, it's not helping you much. You get some training maybe I mean vocational schools. I think those things need to be stressed more.

But anyway, let's move on to the next caller. We got a few here, so let's see, and I think we may indeed have Jimmy James with us. Jimmy, how are you doing? Man? I'm sorry, I'll give you a minute. Jimmy here, I'll put you I'll put you on hold again. I'm gonna let you catch your breath because apparently I call you in the midst of a rip. I'm sorry, but I'll bring you back on. I just want you to catch your breath and stop coughing. Be pete. I mean, we got it. We we We can't be

starting a clock on him if he's coughing and choking. I mean, that's no good right, Wow, I don't know. So well, we'll give him. We'll give him the tuberculosis. Uh, curve now, well, we'll get We'll curve his time. I don't want to which TV on the guy. Look, come on, man, look, take to Jimmy James. Oh, I'm saying we'll get it. Will We will pro rate his time based on the fact that he's afflicted with an en ailment that you know,

causes you to have to catch your breath every Now. I think I think he just wasn't anticipating that I was going to call on him, and he probably just you know, he took a hit. He took took a hit off of sal he was smoking, which you know, Jimmy James smokes a couple of different herbs. I know that, and I don't know if he smokes cigarettes. I know you and I do, but I don't know if he does. Anyways, Jimmy, I'm gonna bring you back on. Sorry. Now have you caught your breath? Sir? Oh? Yes,

I'm doing much better now. Okay, Now you know I don't smoke cigarettes now, but I did in the past. Currently, I'm a tour Okay, I'm in the two crew got you all right? Fair enough, So I'll just begin your five minutes again and let you get out whatever it is you think. If you want to attach to the earlier subjects or you want to bring up something else, tall it to you. Uh, and after we get here from you, we might go to a break and change gears

and get into the porno to politics. We'll get into the porno section next. So good, good, it happens. Well, what's this song about? You said something about what you're getting email bombed or some crap. Yeah, that's gonna be in the next section. Don't worry about it. We'll we'll get there. I want to hear from you right now. Who are I'm I'm advising you to quit answering these things. If they're that aggravating, just make a new email address. I hear you, I hear you.

I got some emails from you this week too, But I don't I don't mind your emails. They're informative, they're interesting. You know, you send me cool stuff sometimes and and all that, so I don't mind yours. But I'm gonna have to talk about you know, some people need to stop emailing me. Uh. We're gonna get into that next. But now we've never scheduled our email reading show either, where we go over all the bitchet and moaning and complaining and you know, answering emails on air. We still

haven't done that one yet. Oh I know, I want some fresh creative ones. No, I want some fresh creative ones. See, that's what I'm hoping for. Jimmy is exactly that. Yeah, go ahead, good right on. I would say, yeah, you gotta she's that's fine, call us up. I Look, I always say every one of these email complaints. By the way, at the end of it, if I think you were being mean to me, I guarantee you at the end of it, it says on the email, why don't you call in on Friday night

and just say this? If if you want to say this, call in on Friday night, I'll let you say it, and I'll answer it that way, because he's sitting here and typing back to all these things is really way too time consuming. So I try to answer almost everybody, but even even the people that are, you know, just bitching at me. But I just you know, sometimes that's exactly how that email ends. Look, call in on Friday, say this, you know, say it speak for

Chuck. Once get Once I get my old lap top out of the old cross it and dust it off, I'll make you a Chuck bought. Thank you Chuck. About anyway, Jimmy, do you want to hang on and just we'll go into the next section after we take a quick break. Would you rather do that because it sounds to me like you don't have too much that you want to go over right this minute. You want to engage about this, this email situation and the pornography. Is that what you want to

hear about? Well, I'm always down for that. But uh, and also, what did you think of that document I sent you that I'm curious to hear what you would be pick of that last paragraph? Ah, well, you know, I don't think I sent it over to be Pete. It is. I'll do it during the break though. If I be Pete, you want to take a look at it's a JFK released document and uh, you know, Jimmy, go ahead and tell them what it's about and I'll send it over to him. I'll try and do it while you're talking.

Oh, it's a McCone document. Well, it's a memorandum and he's just basically talking about stuff he's been up to, I guess, and I'm actually a bit confused. And what was hoping that you could tell me, Chuck, I mean, as the president. He keeps referring to Eisenhower or LBJ. And then it's very weird because at the last paragraph he starts talking about how the president. And the reason I say that's because, well, it's only two pages. When we get back up break, maybe one of

us should just read the thing. Okay, well, look we'll consider doing that. I'll hand it over to be Pete and let let him see what he can see on it, you know. And but but quite frankly, I actually have an idea for something to do with this later that I didn't do it it yet, so we might visit. But the main thing, the main thing about the document that's weird to me is, of course we

all know that Truman and JFK didn't care for the CIA. Well, apparently another present, either LBJ or Eisenhower didn't care for him by the sounds of this less paragraph, because McCombs says the president and I'm not sure here if he's referring to Eisenhower. LBJ told me personally that I need to get out of this skull and duggery business and the company and put an end to this stuff, because it's every time he reads a news article, it's something about

them doing dirty tricks. Well, now, Eisenhower was not a fan of the intelligence agencies. I do know that, right, And you know, considering that the subject of the one part of the memorandum is a meeting with the press President on the twentieth of February nineteen sixty four, I would think

that he means he's meeting with Johnson. And later on he talks about General Eisenhower, Okay, not President Eisenhower, which is kind of odd because I always thought that once you have that title, you can always be called that. I thought, you know, just like general, even if you retire, you're still the general, right An attorney general can still be described as a general or attorney general ever after, even if they don't hold that position.

I thought. So it was a little weird. But given the date and he's supposed to be meeting with the president alone, I'm thinking that's got to be Johnson. Although he says early in the day General Eisenhower, if he thought this would be constructive if he wanted. General Eisenhower might feel he was being high pressured and that he intended merely to advise him of the Yeah,

it sounds to me like he's including Eisenhower in a possible meeting. But the meeting that he discusses having a loan seems to me like that has to be Johnson. Uh, let's see. And and also later on he mentions I told President Johnson. Yeah, yeah, there's and there's a protect where he says he gave Ice and Howard the OX card. Yeah. Yeah,

I'd love to hear any more. It is weird. Maybe maybe we'll read the whole document in the next segment after I cover the other thing, and uh, and and go over it because it is interesting and the fact is that there's tons of this stuff. I like the redaction there regarding you know, the one particular asset whoever, whatever that operation is, etc. I like that that has continued because I've seen this before, this memorandum. I

think it was even more redacted earlier on and I even sent it. I did send it over to Larry, and I said where did I first see this? And I Larry hasn't answered me yet. He's a little under the weather. But I was trying to recall where because I know I've seen this before. This is not even though it says it's part of the new releases, it's one of those. You know, they redacted some more of it, and I think released it again because I know I've seen this before.

Anyway, with all of that in mind, here's what I'm gonna do. Jimmy. I'm gonna put you on hold, but stick around because I guarantee we'll have to get back to you, especially if we go through this document. And I'm gonna consider that you didn't even use your first full five minutes actually because be Pete and I wound up both talking. So your set. Harlan is still there, I believe, and i'd love to bring him back

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can't call in. But if you're hearing us live you can. So Anyway, so far we've heard from Jimmy jameson Harlan and now, as promised, I'm going to get to the porno aspect, going from politics to porno, sort of like Pornos to Pyros of Pyros what was the name of that band? Porno to Pyros? Right? Anyway, politics to porno? How about that? What have I going on pros? What have I gotten recently? Well, tell you a little background story. I'm not a big pornography guy,

Okay, I'm really not. I'm willing to talk about Lastibia's things. I'm willing to talk about exotic things. I'm willing to talk about dirty things, even maybe in a semi clean fashion. I don't like to curse on my show, not too often. It's gotten a little more loose lately because no more AM and FM. But I'm not that kind of guy generally speaking in public now, I am a foul mouth s ob off air indeed, and to my friends, they will hear the F bomb constantly and et cetera,

et cetera. And I'll talk about, you know, uh, semi offensive things on occasion, indeed. But I'm not a porno guy, and I'll tell you why. And I'm not an online porno guy. Even though I'm marvel at what's available, I'm not one of those guys tell you why. In the early or no excuse me, the late nineties and the very early part of pre September eleven, two thousand era, right, I had

access to a lot of interesting things. I used to go on a lot of those file sharing services and I would go on LimeWire, and indeed, I got plenty of music, and I'd go on Napster and I'd go on all these different places where people were sharing their files. Well, not only did people share music, but sometimes they shared historical footage. Sometimes they shared interesting TV footage that wasn't available. Because this is pre YouTube era, this

is pre video platform era. People could share their files directly. Some people had amateur film things, some people had digital files and stuff they did at their own homes. Some people had news footage, some people had TV, some people had independent films, etc. And indeed there was pornography available two so early on there, and being in a miserable marriage that I was,

I indeed sought out some pornography on lime wire. But here was what the problem was, Okay, and here's what turned me off to the concept completely of going online and getting pornography of any kind. I don't want the crap in my computer that could come along with it. Now. Back then, they would tell you that, look, he got to be careful of these file sharing services because some people intentionally plant viruses and misleading stuff in there,

et cetera, et cetera. And of course, when people were sharing completely illegal material like you know, not copyright illegal, because who cared about that on the file sharing service, But I mean like snuff films, like what people refer to as CP which is all about the underage exploitation films sexually things. People would do that on those file sharing services as well. But you had to search things out and you would take all day to download stuff.

I mean, I literally would work a twelve hour shift. It would take me fourteen hours from the time I walked out of my door to come back home. And I could start a download process in nineteen ninety nine for various files and start that download process and come home fourteen hours later, and maybe I would have, you know, if I asked for ten things to be downloaded, I would have two of them that were successfully finished. And that could be a singular song, a film clip, a film, it could

be anything. But I would get file transfers this way, and I would obviously search LimeWire was my favorite, but I would search other things. There were others that were available, and I'm not going to tell you about them, because some of them still exist and some of them only exist on the dark web today. But there are plenty of file sharing services out there, okay, and nowadays it's a different landscape. But it would take all day

to get that stuff. So in fourteen hours, again, I might get twenty percent of what it is I sought to get, and I might have, you know, two songs, two new songs on my computer, yeah, m P three's. And I did seek out some porn of some specific things, you know, to my liking. Yes, indeed, I had specific ideas about what it is I wanted to see, not too strange or anything, not like, you know, anything that's completely embarrassing beyond belief.

But I'm not going to give you the details on it. You don't need them. Point is that anything from say, you know, bodily functions on one another, to you know, torture, porn of some sort whatever. Amateurs, you like, older women, you'll like the heavy women, you'll like Asian women, you'll like black women. Whatever it is, you request these things, And my understanding is that you still do that, but you can go to porn hub and you can have stuff downloaded ready to watch instantly,

mostly for free. But anyway, back in those days again with the file sharing, I sought out a couple of things and thought to myself, well, since I'm a either not having sex with my wife, or when I do, it's not very pleasurable, let me see something I actually want to see. Because I really was no longer interested in seeing her. I was in a miserable situation. And indeed, I can tell you that getting a woman pregnant, you know the old adage, it only takes once.

Yes, indeed, it does, because that's how my second child got here. But it is what it is. So I would get stuff like that, and here's the punchline. And the problem is that sometimes it would be mislabeled and people would take, you know, very run of the mill, and I'm telling you, tame stuff is what I would be in search of. Maybe, you know, some guys like the idea of a woman wearing high heels during sex acts. Some guys like it that she's particularly I don't

know of a certain skin tone. Maybe some of them like certain body types. Whatever. I might have entered information like that in and none of it would be recognizable to some of the files I got. Sometimes it was very strange files that I got. You know, I'm looking to see what happens when a woman of a certain age is by herself, say, and I would get something where that woman was certainly not by yourself and was not committing the act that I requested in my search. But that's the way the damn

file was labeled. A couple of times I saw some images that were horribly disturbing pop up when I opened the file. And I'm talking about stuff that should make any decent upright walking human being vomit immediately on my screen, and I said, Okay, enough of this. You can't trust what they're gonna send you. You can't trust what they're going to embed in there, at least if I'm only downloading audio. The worst thing I'm gonna get is some

audio that's not the song I asked for. The worst thing I'm gonna get is you know, some crappy thing mislabeled. Let's just say I wanted the Beatles White Album, and maybe I get you know, somebody's stupid cover versions of it. That's the worst thing I'm gonna get. The song's cut off. It sounds crappy, it's not really what it says. It's actually the wrong album because somebody doesn't know how to speak English. Okay, fine,

those are all acceptable miscus in the search engines. But when I'm getting something that looks like at the beginning of it I opened it up, I'm thinking that a girl who is way underage is standing in lingerie on a bed. I'm not going to look any further at these damn images. And I certainly didn't want to expose my computer back then to it, even though I had no idea what the FBI would track, etc. Etc. It wasn't about getting in trouble. It was about I didn't want to be anywhere in proximity

to this nastiness. Anyways, fast forward over the years, I don't watch Porto online. I just abstain from it. I don't want to see it. Even when people have sent me stuff trying to be funny, I don't want to see it. Matter of fact, when I created a fake Facebook account as a female character on Facebook in order to conduct an experiment online, what I got a constant barrage of was a whole bunch of funny thing.

But I mean, I'm talking it's Middle Eastern men sending me pornographic images and gifts and things I want to do this to you, stuff like this because I put up this woman's fake face and gave her a name and all this stuff, and I got that kind of stuff. I got more porno in that box real quick than I ever wanted anywhere. And I have since abandoned

that Facebook account. But anyway, I wanted to conduct an experiment to see what would happen and how many friends and how much exposure any woman could get with the most ridiculous stupid, seemingly shallow, not even super pretty, but semi semi sort of vaguely attractive woman on Facebook? What would happen? And I made her a fan of this show and a couple other little, you know, hints to make it look like she had a personality, you know,

something different. She liked me in Disney movies whatever and Chinese food I forget. But but anyway, it doesn't matter. Point is I like to avoid this? Now again, fast forwarding to today, I have now been hit with a whole bunch of crap. Now I've said on air that you go to X or Twitter or whatever the hell, I'm getting hit with a whole bunch of what I call online hookers, a bunch of women. Hey, look, baby, I love you. I want to send you special

pictures. You look attractive. Come to my webcam show. Why don't you pay for something? I mean, this range is anywhere from Hey, would you buy me airplane tickets and phone cards too? How about you just start depositing money into an account so that I'll perform sex acts for you on a webcam, On and on and on. These are things that are out there and on Skype. This is always a thing. Every so often, I get a hello, I saw you in the Skype directory. I'd like to

be your friend. I'm twenty four, and this is very typical, and I've just come from university some foreign country insert one, and I want to be your friend. I'm told that this is a constant thing that happens to certain guys if you're in the forty to sixty year old age range, and this is something that you'll be targeted for once they find you. So anyway, X. As soon as Elon Musk took it over, I got plenty

of those sort of the online prostitutes. Hey, I'll perform for you, I'll tell you I love you on a camera, and all you gotta do is buy me something, pay for something, or just pay by the minute, sort of like the old phone sex lines. So I've gotten inundated with that crap. But now in my emails, idiots want to send me things, and they're sending me freakish things. I don't know why. I think

I mentioned at some point that I don't know what. I mentioned something on air, and this is now triggered a handful of guys who want to share porno with another guy. I don't understand your mentality. I don't understand why you're sending it to me. I don't understand why you're mislabeling it. Please stop. I'm going to block your email addresses and disregard anything else that comes from you, and I'm gonna do that every single time, and I'm gonna

not allow stuff. I already am a little leery of taking downloads of anything, whether they're photographs or audio or whatever from a lot of people. Now I've openly asked for audio. That's true, and I do want your MP three's, by the way that promotion stands, I want to do that. I'm going to build a whole DJ show around all the music you send me, whether it's your music, independent music, pirate in music, it's legally downloaded, you bought it off iTunes, and you're sending me an MP three

transfer, I don't care. I'm going to build a DJ show out of that and start doing it on the live stream again under short attention span DJ theater. I'm going to use some of these other clips for other radio shows that are being developed and on this show, I'm gonna use all that, especially if you've got cool original material, your stuff. You want to read articles, you want to give me your thoughts, you want to give me your quote of the day, you want to send me clips from your favorite

movie. I'm gonna use all that stuff, but I am not gonna take video from you guys. Okay, I don't want the videos. I don't need this garbage. Please stop with the nonsense. You're wasting your time with me. You may enjoy sending and sharing pornography with other people. I don't know what that's about, but you know, knock yourselves out. And if you're doing illegal stuff, I urge you to stop because guaranteed somebody knows you're doing it. Whether they want to bust you or not is up to them.

But please leave me the hell out of this crap. I don't even want to be on your email list, all right. I don't care if you think you're sending me porno I would like. I don't need it. I don't want it. I don't want it open for the secondary crap the virus is. I just don't need it. Okay, So no, no more. I'm not interested in animals, I'm not interested in incess porn. I don't know where anybody's getting these ideas from I know we do naked news

on here. I'm interested in those, by the way, So you want to send me are rales about naked people committing crimes, I'll take those, but don't send me any more videos. I don't need the links to them. I don't need the files. None of this crap. All you're doing is clogging up my Google Drive and yours. And I'm hoping to hell that none of you are sending me any of the crap like I got off a

lime wire. I really am, because first of all, I'm so so sorry I've attracted a despicable piece of filth because that's what you would be if you were sharing some of that with me. I'm not looking at this crap, so I don't want to know about it no more. I don't even want the previews popping up, so knock at the hell off already. Enough

is enough. I don't need this stuff. I know, you know, you know, people want to send me stuff and claim it's some elicit sex tape with Hillary and whatever, and Okay, that's cute and everything, but that's not what's in your file when you send it to me. So I don't know what you're doing, and even trying to look at a glimpse of this thing and isolating it and trying to scan it for viruses and everything.

I got better things to do with my time. So please, by all means, send me your m P three's as I requested, send me music in audio form MP three preferable. Send me that, I mean, some links here and there. If I got to go record it myself, I might, But I don't need your porno. Okay, it's just not necessary. It's not what I'm about. I don't care what you do with your time or how it is your carpal tunnel syndrome gets developed. That's up to

you. But please end that nonsense. I don't need it, all right. So there is my total porno announcement, and I am giving you a useful story here, and there's plenty of it out there, and there's look you want the sick, evil twisted. I mean, I look, I grew up in an era where there was, indeed a very popular tape that

was advertised. I was looking at a documentary on Penthouse recently. I was starting to remember that, you know what, even in their classified ads, A glossy magazine like that that Who the hell knows how Bob GUCCIONI died broke with how he was selling that magazine. But anyway, a story for another day. I guess I was looking at a documentary on Penthouse Magazine and I recalled that indeed, they had stuff advertised in the back of that magazine that

you could not get away with today anywhere. Literally, you know, videotape you want to see women having sex with animals. It was in the back of the Penthouse magazine, which by the way, is cruel and bizarre. And a teenage met did watch one of those videos because they were everywhere.

It seemed like every dirty old man and every dirty step dad that was available had a copy of this dash somewhere in the early eighties, which, by the way, it meant that they paid a lot of money for that tape, because I think the damn things went for like a hundred bucks in the early eighties. The sick twisted, you know, literally a woman and sex

with a horse, a guy having sex with a chicken. Howard Stern even used to place some of the audio from one of them on his show, and it sounded very similar to Jackie Martling's weird, bizarre laugh when he would lose his breath, the chicken being raped by this guy. Now, is this true thing? I know it sounds crazy and I guess kind of funny. But there was a videotape that went around like that, and apparently, from my understanding is that it was actually common. There's a whole genre of

women having sex with dogs. Look, I never really witnessed all that, but I did see that crazy animal tape that came out of I forget was it Switzerland or Sweden or one of those very serious Nordic white people countries it came out of. I know that. And none of the dialogue was in English dialogue. I have monologue. I don't know what do you call it when when somebody's talking to an animal. Anyway, whatever, bizarre video,

grainy, nasty, that stuff existed. They sold that in penthouse. They sold all kinds of weird things in penthouse that, again, most people would not allow to be sold anywhere today. And I came from an eraware. Indeed, if you went to the flea market, a guy might have a whole bunch of video tapes out on his table, and then he had a creative videotapes under his table, because pornography can't be openly sold in a public

flea market in most places. I know. They have that rule in Jersey and they have it in Georgia. There's two good examples of states that have different ideas about what you should be allowed to sell openly. And guess what pornography unless you're in a specific store. And by the way, do porno stores exist anymore? I don't know if they do. Oh yeah, do

they definitely? Well, I don't have any of more making they've been uh well, yeah, a lot of them in New York and then uh, you know, they cleaned up Tom Square, which was nothing but at one time peak shows and bars and and you know all that's changed. But yeah, they still have they still have places for video enjoyment. So far through

between you see more of them in Europe than over here. Okay, because you know, those used to be very popular in many suburban places where you would find them, you know, in a sort of an unassuming, not very brightly lit part of a strip mall. You might see it there, much like the massage place that, magically, even though the business hours stopped, is still open later on at night, but you got to knock on

the door because it's locked. It's not open to the public. Really, you know, things like that happen in suburbia, in urban areas, et cetera, et cetera. Seems to me like it has definitely come down in its popularity, those brick and mortar places. But I guess because you have so much online now so well, like I said, Hub, now porn hub is probably the most popular thing. Everybody mentions it where I think you can go there for free and watch all kinds of stuff, So stuff that

people used to pay hundreds of dollars for it is now free? Why not? And you don't have to go out to a store and be seen walking into the Plus come all the newspapers and Penthouse. You know. There was one thing about Bob Lucille in his publishing business. There was another magazine he had out that was excellent, was called Omni Yes, and it covered tea, touristic and high tech. And I mean it was an amazing magazine and I hated to see it go. That was one I had a subscription to

believe it or not. If the two I had a choice, Penthouse and Omni I went ahead and got a subscription to Omni. It was such a good magazine. I hated to see that one go away between the ages of twelve and fifteen. I indeed, Omni Magazine is one of the subscriptions I had as well. I had subscriptions to Let's See Baseball Digest, Omni Magazine, This is True Story, Playboy, Circus Magazine, Hit Parader, Rolling

Stone. I never got a subscription too, but Omni was that my choice of science magazines that that had anything, you know, I did get. I would buy off the news stand an article, you know, an issue here and there of other things. I was big into magazines as a kid, and really I got Playboy. And I know this sounds really you know, typical bs, but I got Playboy because of the very cool articles. They had interviews with people that usually didn't do interviews mostly and they were interesting.

I'm not saying the girls weren't part of it, but they had stuff like that in Playboy, and that's why I like to play. And it was also very nice looking, glossy magazine and it was something that you had to play and I was. I was twelve when I got my first subscription to it. You know, no big deal. I didn't get the Penthouse one. Occasionally I would buy Penthouse, especially when again Howard Stern would do a full interview in there. I I think I got it. I bought

some other ones, especially when they had celebrities. I had the Madonna issue when when when they put out a photos spread with her uh van of White. I liked the celebrity ones too. They were kind of funny because it was like usually something they did when they were much younger, and then I would get their spread later. But but again I wasn't a big porno guy. I never had a big porno stashuh. So again, I got no need for any of this stuff. I don't use porn, hope. I

don't know how it works. I'm told it's free mostly, but then you can pay for stuff. And I know there's an endless array of on demand women on webcams. You can you know, if you if you tip them a certain amount, they do certain things. And some of them sit there and make a living just by going on their webcam a couple hours a day, and you know, acting as if or doing as if on a webcam. What can I say? I mean, I don't begrudge anybody for trying

to make a living. Uh you know it, would they say in the Godfather. It doesn't let it me o, man makes a living or a woman? How about that? Uh? So, you know, but I don't need any part of this crap. I don't know if people think it's funny or whatever, but it's not funny. I don't want to see it. I don't need to see it. And if you've got some twisted urges,

man work it out with somebody else. That's between you and whatever demonic thing is in your head and whatever you know, perversion you have developed in your life. And I've got a couple of mild ones myself, so I can sympathize a little, you know. I mean, like I prefer pale women things like this. I mean the whitest of white women. I love it. I mean one of the search terms. I guarantee you I entered into the old lime wire there was albino I wanted to see albino women on

my pornography when I saw it it out, Sure, why not? But not necessarily the weirdness that other people are doing, right, you know? So all right, I don't need any of that crap, and I don't search it out today and I haven't for many years. And I don't want to touch it even online. I don't want to be anywhere near it because again, the danger that somebody will implant other things in there, whether it be a virus or you know, or some of this you know, underage

stuff or whatever. I don't even want to take the risk of being in proximity to it. So I avoid it entirely. It's not worth the risk because I don't have a big interest. So you know, on occasion, I'll search out a nude photo when I hear some news story about a nude photo of celebrity or something odd or what, you know, I'll do that, you know. And I've more than happily collected a couple of bases of spades to make sure that they had Marilyn Monrose old nude pictures on the backs

of them, stuff like that. You know. I can appreciate the Female Forum for sure, but I don't need your your your porno videos. Okay, guys, really, whatever it is, whether it's funny or you're trying to implant something or really, I'm just gonna block your emails. I'm just gonna not open your crap. I don't want to see it, I don't need it. Please keep it to yourself. And I don't know why it's

started up. It only started up heavily this week. This week I started to get heavy amounts of this stuff, like a concerted effort between I don't know. I didn't actually count them up, but I'm sure there's more than ten guys, or at least more than ten email addresses that are sending me crap. So if it's one guy with ten email addresses or it's ten guys, stop it, will you. It's going to serve you no purpose. And I just don't want it anywhere near I don't even want to have to

delete it. Okay, I don't even want to have to relegate it to the spam folder. I don't want to have to so, you know, I want people to be able to send me MP three is not the crap here sending all right? Anyway, It's interesting though some of the you know, and oh, by the way, I have searched out a couple of things that are pornographic in nature that are connected to news stories that stuff I do once in a while, like supposedly there's a scandal because some celebrity grainy

video blah blah blah, you know stuff like that. Yeah, I have searched that kind of thing out, but only because I want to see what people are talking about. But it's never a thrill. I mean, even going back to Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson or whatever, I never found it all that interesting. I did have like a crazy tape from there was a guy, a man, I'm trying to think of who it was. It was the guy who owns Screw Magazine in New York, and he had was

his name al Al Oh crap, you know what I'm talking about. He like, clearly the second you saw this guy, you knew he was from New York too. But heyah, his name was al and I can't remember his name. But he had a TV show on what they called Channel JA in New York, which at a certain hour it became like all sex phone

ads and some sort of gold steam, that's it. And he porno stores and strip clubs and Screw magazine and he had these TV shows, right, and other people started doing stuff like there was a lady named Robin Bird who became kind of nationally known and She was like an old stripper that would conduct

interviews with people, and they were really good interviews. But that was on something they called Channel Jay, which became very adult oriented, like I think at ten o'clock at night till six in the morning in New York on Manhattan cable. I used to watch that because there were weird underground things that happened there. At one time, I bought a tape of the band The Go Goes being abusive and sexually assaulting a male groupie from Al Goldstein on his cable

show there, which was on Channel Jay in New York. But it was because it made news. It was that and I think part of the tape was the infamous Rob Everybody forgets about this now, but Rob low got busted, you know, the actor Rob lowp Oh, yeah, I was. You know, he was one of the first yeah, let's say, overcome his delians. He is exactly, you know, one of the first time

people would get canceled over crap like that. But Rob Lowe had some very successful comeback over something that put most people out of work, right it would end careers normally, you know, sort of like that guy Hugh Grant. He got busted with that prostitute one time, getting you know, a little bit of a oral and that was pretty much the end of Hugh Grant's career,

right, stuff like this is old school stuff. But Rob Lowe got busted on a on a sex tape, a grainy looking sex tape, and I think the girl might have been, you know, not quite the age of consent in New York at the time or whatever. And he was one of the biggest stars there was, and his career took a spill, but he came right back, like he rebuilt and rehabilitated himself and whatever pretty quickly. But for a little while, Al Goldstein sold a video tape that contained

that and the Go Gos, the band the Go Goes. You know, you've got the beat, They've got the beat. Yeah, you know that eighties ban Bull Indo Carlisle and all that being abusive and sexualizing a male groupie, which was again a piece of videos shock video, you know, the scandalous video that would that would get circulated. It would be some years later. I think the Pamela Anderson thing got out there with Tommy Lee. Well, if you think about it, that's how the Kardashians got started. And

that's where I was going, is it? You know? The sex tape is how what That's how Kim Kardashian became a name to begin with. I mean, you know, they dovetailed it along with the Kardashian that was part of the OJ situation, right, And then that's why anybody would be interested to see her on her sex tape, because Kardashian look and it's a pop culture piece of garbage that's out there, the Kardashians and all that I know.

But nonetheless, I'm just saying I would look at this stuff for the way the media treated it, and I wanted to see what people were talking about. Oh my god, it's outrageous that this person did that, you know, sort of like what happened with Oh god, what is that guy r Kelly? Right? The r Kelly tape? And Okay, so he's urinating on an underage girl and whatnot. These scandals come out and people make a lot of comments about him. So and I don't think I've ever actually

seen the r Kelly tape. No, I don't think I have, But sometimes if a scandal is tape is out there, Yeah, I've tried to see a sample of it or some of what people are talking about for myself to see if it actually what's on the tape is on the tape. I

remember Tanya Harding's honeymoon video. That was another big one thing, or even better, the Joey Buttafuco thing right where he was, you know, the whole Long Island Lolita who shot his wife in the head and everything, and then they had a big There was like different set tapes that allegedly came out and then eventually a porno company gave me chapay day to actually have sex on tape him and Amy Fisher. Right, so you remember that too, right, the whole Joey Butafuco. Oh yeah, okay, so yeah, I'm

just saying this is trash media stuff that. Yeah, I'd want to see what was on some of these tapes. Sometimes, I don't think I ever saw the Tanya Harding thing. I don't think I. And that was Tanya Harding was the girl who thumped Nancy Karragan or had had a guy thumped Nancy Karragan's knee, right, the whole Olympic skater thing, these scandals. Yeah, sometimes i'd want to see the tapes of this or that or the third thing. But yeah, but but but in all honesty, whatever it is

that somebody's motivated to share porno with other guys for I don't know. I don't know how it is. Question, Yeah, are they sending you porno of themselves or just run of the mill stock porno? I don't know, because I'm not gonna watch, Like, like, here's the thing. Some of it. Look. I know that a lot of old clips have been rehabilitated and are now part of the free sections of many porno sites. Like

there's clearly stuff that was I guarantee was made in the eighties. These women are probably, like you know, in a nursing home somewhere now, but they look pretty good at eighty three and it's clearly a VHS transfer on the digital. I've seen stuff like that, so I know that that's part of it. But some of it might be I could be amateur at some stage,

amateurs, I don't know. I don't really know exactly, but some of it is grainy and cheesy enough and crappy enough that it could be homemade stuff, which I don't know what that means either, But I don't know. We could start a new segment where nature Boy just does reviews like they used to do on The Old Man Show. When what's this name? Mom? Dug stand hopes mom with porn reviews? Wow, porno reviews? Well, all right, look, I really wanted to stop, but I guess.

I guess we'll figure out a way to repurpose it if it doesn't. But I please don't don't add to the play. I don't need this. I just now now, you know what. Never mind, we can do some other kind of review idea with nature Boy, but not that I don't I'm not interested. I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's a personal question. I think most people probably lie about it, and you and I have been definitely been alive in the day of somebody would have a porno stash

or their own, whether it's magazines or videos or whatever. But I mean, are you the kind of guy who checks out some of this stuff sometimes for yourself? I mean, most guys apparently do. But I avoid it like the plague because I got you know, really, I got made a gun shy over the fact that people would send me stuff misrepresented, So I didn't want any part of downloading the wrong thing. You know what, I mean, no, it's hard. The porn sites now are full of just

I mean, it's nothing but clickbait. But porn Hub has established themselves as the leader because they have not on they have some of the old classics still full length movies that you can watch. Okay with them is the studios have been suing them left and right and making them pull down content. Back when the cancel culture things started, a lot of people were complaining about porn Hub because they would host questionable videos of where someone may have been under age,

or someone may have been abused in a video or something like that. So they went through and cleaned the house here a couple of years ago and got rid of a lot of stuff. And they're constantly being bombarded by the studios producing the porn for copyright infringement on the newer stuff because if it's on porn Hub, they're not going to sell that twenty nine nine nine video when people can go find it online for free, so it's really cutting into their bottom

line. There's been a big battle between some of the studios and places like porn Hub, Red Tube, Tube, Eit other places like that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I surf and I hit them just to see what's when you hear. If you want to see a video that hits the news, that's usually the best place to go because you'll see the uncut versions of things. Now, there used to be another site that was called live leak. Yes, remember ogrish TV, And on ogrish you could post anything.

That's where a lot of like firing squad videos and violent videos, mass wreck videos, uncut footage. And Ogrish then became live Leak, and that's where we saw a lot of stuff from the Middle East and during the AFTERCA and and uh all right and uh Iraq War. Well there's events coming out of some of the things going on. So and it is still around, but they've toned down there, right, their ability to carry questionable stuff like

that. Well, and here's the thing. Back in that Lime Wire days, I was getting footage of like things that were purported to be uh you know, videotaped during the Afghanistan USSR conflict. And some of that footage was pretty brutal. There was you know, different things, and I don't know the you know, the providence of these things, but I mean I would look for historical footage sometimes and I would get end up with stuff like that

too. Uh. Some of the first you know, videos that I think were legitimate of executions and soccer stadiums and uh, you know, and and and stuff like real beheadings, not the fake one that we covered out. Yeah. Yeahs dot com. That's what they were known for. In fact, I think we're trying to I think of what the first video was I went there to see. I can't remember what it was. It might have

been. I got there. I was amazed at the amount of content that they had, right, I mean, like the nick Berg thing or whatever, right, you know where some people are claiming, oh, it's all fake or whatever. Maybe that was it. Wait, who was the one not Nick Berg? Who was the guy that was the writer? Was at the Wall Street Journal? It was it New York Times that went over there

was behind Daniel Was it Daniel Pearl? Yeah, there's another guy right right right, and and people had those videos mixed up and right right now that I think that's the first video I went there to see and uh and then found what all. And it wasn't long after that that Ogrish got bought and they made it in the Live League. Well, but there you go.

Now here's the thing is that some people would rip those videos and then put them into their own personal files and then they became parts of file sharing right. So I saw stuff like that again, and I I mean even the initial footage of the towers and things like that on nine to eleven. I

was able to get that footage. You know, people were running it on TV all the time, but some people had ripped it, put it into an MP four file and had different pieces of footage available of that, like within the week, and some of that stuff was popping up under the heading historical footage in my downloads, because literally I would go to work six days a week, twelve hours a day, and I would, you know, in the morning, I would say, okay, go get you know,

a bunch of videos. I'd click a bunch of boxes and videos and songs a lot, and I'd say, go get them from the file sharing services. And some of them would fail, and some of them would come through, and some of the historical footage, again mislabeled, would come up with that stuff. And I'm not saying I didn't watch it. I did, but today I don't even know where to look for it anymore, unless you

know, somebody gives me a hint. Generally speaking, I don't I don't know all the great sites to go for, but something, if it's a sex tape, I guess probably does hit the porn hubs and whatnot and become part of the clickbait right. Yeah. In fact, live leak, Yeah, I was gonna say, I just went to a bookmark for live leak and it has been completely changed into a site called item fixed. Okay, and there's a link there for you. It says for all you live leak

viewers, they're wondering how you got here. There's an explanation that says, I'm sure you're wondering what's going on right now, so it's only right and proper that you get a full explanation. Fifteen years ago, we felt the project we were working on it peat and it was time to move on. So live leak was born. Although it's an overused and ology. The last fifteen years have been insane, but basically they said, okay, we've we've

reached our limit on this, so we're just selling the whole thing. Well, and the availability of video platforms is definitely different than it was fifteen years ago. There were people putting stuff, crazy things, on YouTube that now the YouTube police would not even let be there for five minutes if they put

it up. And of course there's been plenty of controversies about where video has been stored on, like say Facebook, I mean the different shooters filming their own their own shooting events, you know, different things going on like that, or somebody making threats of violence and then following through on them. You know, there's been various cases of stalkers who are actually stalking somebody wind up doing them harm and then they have to pull that off of Facebook or YouTube

or wherever. I mean, Look, there's been a lot of things here where criminal activity, people are recording their own evidence against themselves. And still I guarantee there's a whole other world of been on the dark web that I have looked at a little bit but only skimmed. I mean it's not like I was taking downloads off to the dark web when I went on it, but I mean I only skimmed it because again, I'm too nervous to take

something in that's gonna get me busted. Is if you're in possession of things, even if you didn't intend to be in possession of them, you're still in possession of them, right, So I don't need to put myself in that position. So that's why I avoid all this stuff pretty much, except the very you know, the like the Newsmaker stuff. Okay, this is supposedly a controversial recording that's available somewhere, but it's been taken down. Well

sometimes you can go find it and I give it. But anyway, enough of all that. That's like years ago. You know, if you think about a years ago Tracy Laurds, who now is as a legitimate acting career, you know, she started out in porn and then they found out that a few years after she started a couple of the videos she did she was

still under age, and they had a mad scramble. It cost a lot of problems for a lot of hosting sites and also for a lot of video stores for being in possession of stuff like that because it was suddenly found to be illegal. Well, the same thing, a big problem for the studios trying to recall it stuff. Yeah, well decades earlier, at least two decades earlier. I think brook shields same problem right, where there was stuff of her film that she was definitely underage, and look, it exists.

I know that, and you know, even even people who have made claims about you know, there's a video of Hillary on the dark web, you know, supposedly like doing things to somebody underage, and then that person dies in the video and everything else. Some things are urban legend, some things are unclear because they're just muddy. Some things are crazy, and there's plenty

of video footage. And I'm telling you one thing that's for sure is that people are dangerous with these, with these, with the proliferation of the easily obtained video recording device. I remember years ago watching the documentary on HBO, and I loved it. And I'm gonna get back to the callers and let them get in some sentiments here about whatever whatever before we close out the whole

night, which is coming up soon. But I remember years ago watching a documentary that was run on HBO, and it was about the future of what was going to happen because and this is many years ago, because video cameras, and I mean the literal VHS video camera was becoming popular enough and was on its way to becoming cheap enough that people were going to begin to not be afraid of Big Brother, you know, Visa v nineteen eighty four.

But they were going to become Big Brother because they were going to start recording so much that they would become the surveillance grid themselves. And indeed, that in part happened not because of the VHS video camera, which was bulky and crappy and had a battery life shorter than you know, the biggest knockoff of anything electronic today. You can imagine, I mean literally at twenty minute batteries,

right, you know, with video cameras. At a certain point I had I had video cameras, and I would carry like four batteries with me just because they would die so fast and I wanted to be able to capture an hour or something. And that was me just today, recording my own band in practice or playing a gig or something. I would need four batteries for Christ's sake, and three backup videotapes because sometimes those things would screw up.

Anyways, they were saying that, you know, because of the proliferation of video cameras, this is gonna happen. And they even had a disposable you know how they have disposable cameras or they used to anyway where you could take the whole camera, use up the role of film, bring the whole camera to the shop and they'll develop it. Because it's a throwaway camera.

They made throw away video cameras even at a certain point. But anyway, I remember watching that and them talking about it and saying to myself, I think that's entirely accurate. But I think even then they had no idea what it would be like when people could carry these little things that are no bigger than somebody's wallet, that can now take you know, more than ten of those old video cameras worth a video anytime, any place, and you could

plug it into the wall very easily. And everything the world of today, with the video cameras and the grid of surveillance that exists in the commercial and also the governmental world, all of that coalescing together. To me, it's like you've got to assume that you're under surveillance at all times, whether it's by your neighbors, your friends, your lovers, the government or the freaking convenience store. Everybody's got you on camera. So that's how much has changed

over the years. They say, now that you can travel through London, the authorities contract you from the minute you hit the city limits until you leave. No matter where you go, there's so much surveillance. But London, London is one thing. But I'm telling you that those grids, in one way or another, basically exist anywhere in civilization. At this point. London's

easy to see because they started putting up all those clunky cameras everywhere. And make no mistake, there's plenty of cities that you might not be aware of, plenty of towns you might not be aware of. They got traffic poll cams and you know, and all of the private businesses that have you know, different services that interconnect them. And I used to install that stuff.

I was a security person that used to install that stuff. And years ago I saw the integrated activity and how law enforcement could use it and government could access it and corporate corporate corporations could access things that were under their preview. And I saw the way the interlocking grid was starting to work, even in just the private security business. And I said to myself, damn, there's gonna be no place for you to have privacy anywhere very soon. And I

feel satisfied that's exactly what happened. But anyway, let's get back around to the callers. If anybody else wants to join us, join us here at the tail end. You can not much time left. But I'm gonna go back to the guys who are on hold. Be pete if you don't mind. But I felt like I needed to give this out about this porno thing, and maybe it's a lesson of caution for some of you. I would be careful about what it is you choose to download, view or anything,

okay, because ethics are one thing, law enforcements another. But I just I don't know. I just don't want to have any of that stuff in proximity to me. That's of a certain nature, and I don't even want to define it exactly. There's a whole bunch of it that I don't want anywhere near me. I don't mind, listen, I'm not a prude. It's just my personal choice, So, you know, not necessary, not funny, not helpful. And I don't know what anybody thinks they're doing sending

me that crap, but I don't need it. I will take your music, I will take your original stuff. I will take your statements on audio. Yes, indeed, send them to me. I got a couple of clips of Harlan, who's on hold right now. Taken from other shows, stuff people have done publicly, whatever, send it to me. I want to make some shows out of it and add it to the rotation, and add it to my sound effects and add it to the DJ show. That's what I want to do. And who knows, maybe if somebody comes up

with some super cool stuff, it might turn into other things. We'll see and we'll run it on the online radio station. I'd like to make solid blocks of it if we can. But in the meantime, let's get to anybody who's on the phone, and and then the two guys that held on here all this time, to let them come back around and comment any which way they want, and then we'll be just about done. Be Pete,

what do you think christ sounds like a plan. Cool. We're at about two hours and seven minutes total on the showtime tonight so far, so we're going a little over two hours, but not too far. Do you go to work tomorrow? Oh? Yes, and no, I gotta do a bunch of stuff paperwork wise, but no, we can hang out as long as you need. All right, Well, let's let's let's see how it goes. But I'm thinking we might be done in another fifteen or twenty minutes

maybe at most. So let's get back around and we'll take them in order just as they were and go back to Harlan and uh, Harlan. Anything you want to comment on here comes another five minutes for you. So you're there, and who knows, maybe we'll loosen up here and let you say what you gotta say. Go ahead, man, what's on your mind.

I'm just glad, you know, miss day and time. Everything is love is love, and saying is seeing, because if not, I'd have a whole lot of praying, and because lord knows, I've seen plenty of horn. But says a few kinds that I'm not saying. You know, the sea pay or whatever code we're talking here to keep from getting flagged. I've never see you're saying anything. But you younger people out there, you should appreciate that. You know, you've got anything you want to see right there

touching the fingers. So let me tells them. They're back in the eighties and nineties, you'd get some seventies water stained mail, dude, dirty magazine, you know, wherever gal in there, you know, look like a damn whirlwolf or something between their legs, and you had to you had to work for it. In time, it got up into the nineties, you

know. Hell, it became a covert operation. You know, send the money, you know, the fucking addresses in the back of least twenty year old buck and you know you might get something back, you might not, you know, walking the mail box, making sure you know, mommy and Daddy wasn't gonna catch you. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't lay her on the floorboard, you know, in the living room floor. You know, talking about you know, naked pictures, whether these kids do now, Hell,

nobody to put a foot in your ass. If you'd want to talking that ship front of Nope, you you you had to go get hey, listen, if you wanted to make naked pictures of your girlfriend or whatever, you had to go get a polaroid camera because you couldn't bring it to CBS to develop or something. You had to go get a polaroid camera. And then you could do that maybe, and and again, if you were a little more sphisticated and you had about a grand in your pocket, you could

go buy a video camera and get real fancy. If you want to make stuff at home. But now these guys got their phones and these girls got their phones. They're doing all kinds of things. Uh, they don't realize what access they have to make their own or to find whatever it is they want to see. They can find it pretty easily. And yeah, it was a covert operation. You're right, Carlin, I want to Pete,

I got it. It's awfully easy. But how's it right? Hey, Look, I'm not going to take away from your time on this, b Pete. I wonder if you want to comment on the covert operation that it used to be. And indeed, when I was a teenager, I would actively seek out stuff. But the mildew I mean he was invoking all kinds of memories to me about you know, sometimes you would find us dash in the woods occasionally and it was like pirate's treasure, right, and it might

be stuff okay, from in the eighties. I mean, be Pete, tell me, tell me you can identify with this as well. It's kind of funny the way Harlan put it though. Right, Oh yeah, but I mean you know I'm old enough. We go back to the old date millimeter films, Oh yeah, sixteen millimeter films. So you know, back then, if you wanted to watch porn, you had to set up a screen to get the projector out. It was a little rough, hey,

and those things still existed in the eighties because we were taking anything. It didn't matter how old it was. I mean, you know, there was black and white films, the women that were probably older than Grandma from the twenties and thirties that you could find, and those things would be on the projector. I mean, you know, if you didn't have a screen, you find a good wall and you could project it. Now sheet worked too, Yeah, that's true, that's true. Anyway, I wanted to just

make sure that BP could chime in there real quick. But Harlan, go ahead, and anything else you want to add, and you got all your time still pretty much because we cut in there. I wanted to get some commentary on it, but go ahead. They should appreciate how easy it is nowadays. You're right, And then you know the satellite's come along, you know, the six foot still satellites. Thank god, there's some of these boomers. That was two of them ties to go by two hundred dollars,

gimmick, you know where it's spending around. I came across to one that you know, for nothing, and then you had access to everything, and then there was a lot of things that you know, you just didn't want to see. I mean, I'll never forget first time I was slipping through one of them d s grammlar gimmicks because it's old gal danks and around she flips around there and it looks like she's got a radiator hose hang an ouf over look like three hundred six. So ward, hey, I could get

a hard you know that? Dammy, you know that happened to me. You know what that happened to me on that channel j I was talking about. In New York when I lived there, I was watching they used to have this show where they would let strippers come on for five minutes and strip, and then they would come on, you know, sit down and talk on the microphone and advertise, I'm gonna be at the whatever club coming up

live, you know here or there. I'm gonna go strip. Some of them stripped in video stores, in pornographic video stores, and they would show it on this channel on Manhattan cable and it was only in New York. And one time there was this woman who looked you know a little bit, I don't know, just extremely toned, extremely tanned and whatever, and turned around and had the hand and you know, over the over the main the main show. Usually right had the handover, but she took off the bottom

of the bikini. She had taken off the top already stripped the rest of the clothes off, turned around and then pulled away the hand And the next thing I knew is yeah, a radiator host from something was definitely a hanging and I went whoa, And yeah, it was about a week that that I was bothered by that. I would say, uh, because that was

I was not expecting that. I mean, all the other stripper women on the show who were women, this one had both so uh yeah, having having a couple of transit Uh was it a couple of trans issues there? Well, but no, this wasn't a this was the way this one was born. Apparently just had the extra piece. Uh yeah, or piece says, I'm not sure because I didn't focus hard, but I did get the idea what was happening, and uh yeah, it was about a week I

was like not really interested in checking out the strippers no more. For about a week on my Manhattan cable box. That was the end of that for a good week. And yeah, I can identify with I have to tell you years ago, I was in the third grade or so. We lived in New Orleans and Marty Grawl was coming up. So we had family members come and we had gone down for some of the parades in the French Quarter

that day, and then all the adults were getting dressed up. They were going to go out half dinner, go to al Her Club, hit a couple other places, and they came back and my aunt was amazed. We had seen a sign there's a bar just it was like three or four doors down from now Her Club, and they advertised a four hundred pounds stripper, and my aunt wanted to go see the four hundred pounds stripper because she was amazed that somebody that big could make money stripping. While they were discussing at

my uncle, he was in an engineering field. Eat this cause I want to see the bar that they made to hold up a four hundred pounds stripper. Yes, so well they go and watch the show. They're all out in the audience. My uncle eases around and get kind of kind of scooches down but below the end of the bar. He says, I was just checking out to the trusses underneath that thing because I was expected it to fail.

Well, it was hilarious. I can tell you this, okay, that the stripper polls in Jersey seemed to be consistently able to handle stuff like that, because I'll tell you a funny thing. You remember the wrestler Bam Bam Bigelow. I told you I've drank with him a few times. He's dead now. Well, one night at a one of these it's like they

used to have. They have juice bars in Jersey, and then they have places where there's supposed to be a bar in between you and the woman and they generally just dress in bikinis and flashing a little you know, strip joints. Well, one of those places that serves alcohol. You know, I'm

sitting there drinking a couple of beers with him. He actually somehow convinced them to let him go up on the stage and go screwing around with the pole and with the girls on stage, he turned around and spun on that pole. Now, Bam Bam was heavy. That poll didn't budge, I gotta say. And from my understanding, they made those polls so that you know, in Jersey there was specific specs on that where indeed it could handle probably

three of those lightweight young ladies without an issue. You know, it's sort of like an elevator that's got a two thousand or three thousand pound limit. You know, you can barely imagine putting that much humanity into the little box on the elevator, or you can barely imagine the amount of of weight that you'd have to put on that pole to make it, you know, a problem. And bam bam could spin on that pole. Now I'm not saying

the pole didn't move at all, but it was sturdy. And my understanding as it, you know, was given to me by others, and I can't speak firsthand, but I did see that. I am aware that multiple girls could spin and climb on those poles at once in Jersey. I don't know about every state. Your experiences may indeed vary depending on your location, But in Jersey, the stripper poles are capable of handling the four hundred pound

stripper BP. I know that. Now I don't know about New Orleans, but I will say the amount of glitter you go through to cover a four hundred pounds stripper. Oh, I don't know a couple of pounds works. I don't know. That's another thing too, as you come out of that place smelling like everybody's you know, whatever it is they're spraying on themselves and usually covered in glitter that you don't notice once you until you go outside. Uh, until you get home and your girlfriends notice, is it on your

shoulder? Where'd you go today? Yeah? Well again, Jersey, it didn't just end up on your shoulder. It was all over you. And I don't even know how that worked. Even in places where you weren't getting lap dancewers, you ended up with a glitter all over you. I don't know. That's got to be an expensive process. I mean, it's glitter cheap. Does anybody know, Harlan? Do you know he's glads glitter cheap? Harlan Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I just glitter worries,

you know, I mean black. When when the glitter gimmicks it was running, I was lack. I was out of circulation. Oh no, you you'd say, these women here in a lad have it like scattered all over their chest, and uh, I had an ex girlfriends say something everybody wants said, I don't want that ship ribbon all over by, you know, I got I really, I mean, I've never been into a strip farm it. But a couple of quick things here, you know, before go

sure that universe you was talking about earlier, I'm not. I'm not close enough to that son. You know, I'm I'm be able to you know, send a lorder, you know, send the capsule information capsule that way. But I'm not that close in that universe. No, fair enough. I just figured no, I only I said that to you off air, so that you know, in case you were you could. But yeah, don't worry about that. That's cool. If I came and a couple of

other things. You know, this is uh, we're getting close to September, Levis, It's it's this Funday and you know, Billy ray Violent Time and Tony Hardburn, Don Jefferies and some other folks are gonna have to be having an event small there in New York City. You can find that information. It's free world got in last see. I believe if you could find Billy Ray over on Twitter, I'm sure where you should go down this page and find the information there want people you know to come home down if they're

in the area for sure. And also, Harlan, real quick, if you go on my website and you look for free World or Billy Ray Valentine to his appearance with me not too long ago, I think you'll find a link to the event page right there. And I'm pretty sure when I had Don Jefferies on last time, I talked about it as well. So if you look for that event, you can click right on the event page from my site if you're already there, guys, or yeah, seek out Billy

Ray on Twitter to forget what his Twitter handle actually is. But I think if you just look for Billy Ray Valentine on Twitter, he's got east Said Morales as his profile picture. Last I look, and yeah, so go ahead and check there. They do have that event coming up, and that is uh, what are they starting it on Monday? Harland? Is that when they're they're doing it's one day right now? It's now it's tomorrow.

I think it starts about I looked on the website and I'm embarrassed I can remember the exact website, okay, but it stalked about ten to eleven o'clock in the morning, you know, trying to keep it out there, keep everybody you know talking about it, you know nine to eleven that you know. To me, I'll commented on the Dawn Show today. Since about twenty fifteen, it seems like it's been pushed more and more to the side.

As I remember back when you know, Trump was running for president, it seemed like that year it hit, there was just a lot less coverage mainstream. I made a YouTube you know that I could dis nose that, and it seems like it's pretty much nosed I have ever since then, regardless folks, what you think happened or you know, whatever else. I mean, even if you believe everything that you know the mainstream media is toji, I mean, it shouldn't just go away. No, absolutely, Look I agree

with you. I'm right now. I'm trying to get up the exact information so I can get a hold of it and give it to you guys before I'm done here. So I will find the event and maybe I'll drop it in the chat room too, as soon as I can find it, Yeah, so that people can go and check that out because they are holding that event and Charlie Robinson is speaking. John Jefferies is speaking Tony Arderburn. I forget who else they have have the old Richard Gauge, Richard Richard Gauge.

Yeah, I do remember that he was going to be there, right, Wyne McCrory, f. Giorg. You pretty much name most of the wrist of them, right. I'm trying to you know, I'm trying to get them all there. Did you happen to tweet about might be though? Did you happen to tweet about it? It would have been weeks ago? Weeks ago? Okay, Well, I'll take a look and see if I can find somewhere. Well, I we'll be on the Tom Cooper's show tomorrow, you know, he's they're going to do one, Oh very good all dight

o'clock. There you go, and uh yeah, so they'll be available with that on Rumble Live. Right, yeah, nine o'clock, mister Cooper. There you go. Conspiring with mister Cooper. Uh so, there you go. And that's part of the TNPA universe of stuff. I'm looking for this right now. And I'm also looking for Billy Ray's thing. Uh, just to get it nice and accurate. Let's see nine conspiring mister Cooper. Bill Cooper continued, that's an old from September or second. Sorry, Yeah,

I'm looking through here. I'm gonna find it, but yeah, definitely, definitely. Okay, so let's see, Uh, that's somebody tweeting about my nine to eleven thing. That's John Gold's interview. I'm looking through here just to see if I can find I'll get it. I'll get it before we're done here, Harlan. But indeed, I would encourage people to continue to talk about it. I would encourage people to continue to look into it.

It has died off tremendously. Uh, you know, in the mainstream, in the alt media, in the world of YouTube, it's gone to crap. It used to be that it was very prominent. There was a lot of it there, right, you could get ahold of all kinds of stuff. Let's see inside job. Here's a Richard Gauge thing. Okay, I'm still looking for it, but I'll see if I can get ahold of it before we're all done. I know I had the page bookmark, though, and I can't seem to find it right away, which is kind of pain

in the neck. But that was one of one of the biggest downfalls of when all the platforms started purging craft here a couple of years ago, as you lost a lot of videos that may have had some questionable stuff in it, but there was a lot of good research out there where guys will you know, they did some solid research and to back up their positions good and it's all gone. Now it's all gone. We've lost it. Yeah, that's for sure hard to find. I've got I've got some videos saved.

It's not been taken off, thank you. It's about nine irish were filed together. But I have to go like way deep. I mean, I'm talking about way background. I mean it's something that I saved from those three or four years ago. It lines out and a lot of parts of it

has been used in other tables video. It's like a deal. Were guys just sitting there TALC and then he talks about the phones and they layouts you know how impossible it would be, And that was one of the first things that you know, kind of got my attention on the first time I got on a airplane and I can still see on the ground and there's no phone signal and we probably wouldn't go and well have her fast to twin prop plane can go to get you off the ground. You know the Maine hundred miles

an hour or something other. I understand that was in two thousand second, two thousand and one, so how you know it he'd been going three hundred and fifty to five hundred miles there. And that's the numbers you know that we've heard over the years, and keep cell phones sing. Right now, I am putting in the chatroom at ocelli dot com the link to the even

Bright the event Bright dot com Freeworld NYC tickets connection there. The link is available in the ocelli dot com chat room, so I've definitely put it there and it tells you about the event, And you were right, Harlan. It starts on Saturday and yesh Saturday, September ninth, and the speaker list, according to this is Charlie Robinson, Richard Gage, Donald Jeffries, Wayne McCrory who I forgot Wayne mccroy who I forgot, Tony Arterburn, John Bryce

Bryson who I forgot, Guards Goldsmith. Sorry yeah, yeah, I'm risol And they also want more thing U How I figured you're free? Now? What do you said this week? Well they're going to say, okay, well got you. Well I'm just saying that they're that what I heard him say today, You though I was trying to listen to the show and the three other things at the same time. Right, And it's hosted by Billy Ray Valentine, sponsored by Wise Wolf, Gold and Silver and Freeworld FM.

So all those uh sites notations exactly where it is, what time it is. The conference will begin at eleven thirty am Eastern times of Subjects a Change event will take place in the heart of NYC. Five forty East seventy sixth Street is the exact address. So there you go. That's according to the event page that Billy Ray put up himself. So there it is, all right, guys. So I definitely gave a solid plug for that, and indeed that is starting tomorrow in New York City. So there it is,

and that's where we're gonna leave that. I think, oh yeah, okay, we still have Jimmy James on the line. So Harlan, if that's everything, I know, I went over five minutes, but I want to make sure I got the thing that you were looking for me to get here and the details we wanted to get him right, So I got him and there it is and I'll tell we'll catch you guys next quick. Hey, can I get own here, have a good weekend and I'll spread the words

you know everybody said and never forget it. Well it's time that you know not to forget absolutely, and thanks Carlan for calling in. I want to remind the people also that we do have shows on Sunday here that are live, and I did say shows, So there's gonna be one starting at nine pm on Sunday this week live and that's a new one and you'll have to find out by tuning in if you want to hear it first. And then as far as I know, Aaron Fronzigo live at ten pm with the Age

of Transitions eleven pm Uncle the broadcast and there you go. So three things happening on Sunday Panocelly dot com. But that's the way that will be this weekend. No more Monday Ocelly effect. However, I am available for stuff on Monday and Tuesday this week and we're gonna have to see what happens. As far as the anniversary date for nine to eleven, I have some open invitations and I'm unclear as Dud's showing up, so maybe nobody, maybe way

too many people. We'll see. Anyways, it's all still up in the air. And up in the air as well is the other caller who was on hold, and want to give him a chance to say whatever he wants to say before we're done here, and that after we let Jimmy James speak and I'll probably just let BP close it out and we'll be all done for this week on o'chelly dot com and restarting again on Sunday. How about that, uh, Jimmy James, anything you want to add comment on? It's

all you sell me too. How about p P I t up turning into President Biden. I'm private chased. No, you speak much more clearly than that, Jimmy James. Come on, come on, man, come on, I'll tell you man. I'll take you out by the woodshed there along with okay, honey, weirdness. My father calls me sweetie for some reason, and I guy just all about old man there, everything, everything, anything, anything's done, he's done better, the Maui fire, everyone's dad,

fifteen hundred people. Well, you know silver, there's good Marry kitchen Brook lost man, Chad, maybe somebody get Grandpa's sandwich. That's all I gotta say. All right, anyway, Jimmy James, I'm sure you don't want to mumble through it. What else you got? Well, it's true, it doesn't He talked to the Naval Academy and then for some reason I said, oh what good winter, Oh good, an appointment from as soon as you're just if you look to you, ah bologny. He had like

six differments and pretty much was another draft dodger. Oh yeah, but nowadays I guarantee doesn't remember it, and he talks to his socks without even putting him on his hands to make puppets out of him. So there it is, go ahead, yeah, yeah, all right, Well, how's this an idea for I don't know something, Chuck sure, which I mostly unwanted

history, unwanted history. I like that. This is my yeah, and I like I wanted like the theme music to be like like cat Toy Cassio keyboard, but like a mockery version of unsoft mysteries, like with that huge booming banging noise and then like the d and then like the nuclear bomb bo Yeah. I love this Jimmy James. I am writing a little. I'm writing this down. I mean, you're giving me this idea to run with, right, Yeah, absolutely, Jimmy James. There's all kinds of unwanted

history that deserves to be looked at. Yeah, unwanted. I like it. I like the idea. I think people are starting to overuse the word unwanted, but this would be a good use of it. And yeah, I like it. I definitely like it. What do you think, be Pete? Unwanted history? Is that not a title for something that could be turned around? Maybe? What do you think? Yeah, well, I was gonna ask, is it is it the same thing as in convenient history?

In many cases it could be depends on who I guess is observing it, right, it could be inconvenient. Yeah, Jimmy James, what do you think why is there a show called that? I don't know about a show called that. No, no at all. It's just because now, well, as soon as as soon as Jimmy said unwanted history, I thought, inconvenient history? Is it? You know, is it necessarily the same thing just because it's inconvenient? May not be unwanted, but if it is

inconvenient. It could be unwanted because it is inconvenient. Well, it's likely if it's unwanted, it has to be inconvenient to somebody, because that's usually why it's unwanted. Now yeah, okay, well he very much interchangeable. Maybe maybe maybe during Unwanted History we get into the Inconvenient File. There's a segment right there. See, I like the total Inconvenient History. It just sounds too stereotypical of this of this community. It sounds like a show that

might have already existed. That's why I said, why do they got that? Yeah, well, either that or it's reminiscent Yeah, either that or it's reminiscent of Al Gore's freaking documentary, right, an Inconvenient Truth. Right? Oh yeah, I mean that Maybe that was in the back of my head said nah, no, that's no good. Yeah, that's that's where I went immediately when he said inconvenient, except I'm thinking to myself, well,

inconvenient you could have the Inconvenient File as part of unwanted History. That makes sense, right, yeah, yeah, Ultimately I could, and he could go unwanted history, unwanted mysteries, or unwanted histories, Right, I like it, Jimmy James. Anything else does you want to throw in or that's I mean, that's a great one though, great piece there, spitball and I love it. What anything else you got when we're Oh, we never got to the damn document. I'm gonna have to get to that with

now. Wit ever did get to the JFK dec But it's okay. We'll definitely discussed that next week. Yeah, I say, we definitely reserve because I want to do a JFK Focus night on here one night, so you know, soon in between now and Dallas for sure. Maybe we'll do it next week with this document as the jump off point. I think that would be good. Jimmy James, what do you think? Yeah, And there's another piece of unmonitored histories that ah, it's just fucking me and you'll appreciate

this, Chuck. It involves basically, there's a guy in a black panther that's in prison doing life and I don't think he's supposed to be there. That could be a destment show that I would like to see explored. Well, you know, I have attempted to reach out to many people that are part of the historical projects connected to the Black Panthers. I would love to talk with them about what I see as the absolute intentional murders of black panthers,

the imprisonment of black panthers. You know, Larry Pinkney used to be on this show. I don't know what his problem with me was exactly, but all of a sudden he just stopped returning my calls. And I'm not sure what happened there. I think it's because he kind of went Trump support for a minute and didn't like where I was on it, maybe, But other than that, I don't know why. I would love to talk about that history a whole lot more, and I may just have to do it

on my own without any of these guys as guests or helpers. But I would love to because, I mean, I got the details of something real specific that happened. My memory says Oklahoma City and his stuff. It was on a podcast about a missing girl, right, but her circumstances is just so weird. The one thing, she's twelve years old and yet she's listed as a witness by the DA for one thing. This is one of the

weird things about her disappearance. And another guy was mentioning what he knew he was like her brother, and he says, oh, well, what I know is at the time is they keep talking about Black Panthers. But now I was around at that time, and they need to talk to those Umbrella Underground Weather group. He says, do you really think the Black Panthers would send a bomb in a Gucci suitcase? And he was talking about an incident to happen back then that I guess killed a cop maybe or something they put

There's a step that needs to be looked at these as well. There's a whole lot of it that needs to be looked at because the intent to literally in quotes neutralize various individuals that were part of the Black Panther Party proper was something that the federal government participated in at one point. And like I said, Larry Pinckney was one of those guys. I mean, he went before the UN with it and they declared him, you know, a political prisoner

when they put him in prison in Canada. You know, just saying legitimate you want to talk about inconvenient history, there it is. And I've always marveled at the fact that pro gun people are not on the side of the Black Panthers when the inciting in that makes everybody think of them as extremely violent and everything else was not breaking the law, but by walking into the California Capitol Building armed, which was not technically an illegal thing to do at the

time, that's the thing that garnered that reputation to begin with. Well, that and also they would observe police when they were arresting people a lot and make public comments about what was going on there. They didn't like that. And if you want to tell me that the California, especially the Los Angeles Police Department, has a serious history of being fair to everyone at all times.

I want to know what dope you smoke, because you are clearly damaged from it, and I want them because I want to see a world that way. But anyway, I leave it alone at that, and good stuff, Jimmy James. I appreciate you for calling in the great spitballing, the great ideas, all of that stuff, and I'd love to do some more stuff. The Black Panthers actually on my show on my regular show, so anyway, be pete. This is not the regular show because this is our

call in thing. But I had fun this week again and we definitely did it in a way that nobody else would or what the hell, let's do it. What do you got to say in closing this week? Well, yeah, we can definitely get into this document next week now and I've got it, can read through it. It's been another great week. I'm just grateful to be a part of it and looking forward to next week. I'd like to remind people to go to Chelly dot com and hit the donate button.

Every little bit helps supports your local food things. They help a lot as well. So other than that, just looking forward to us doing this again next Friday. You know me too, and I'll tell you something else. This does not apply to Jimmy James, because Jimmy might come to Dallas and see us there, and if he does, I've already got a T

shirt for him. But I'm actually printing. I'm trying to get together the money to print some T shirts that will be specific just to the Lancer event, which will feature a couple of interesting logos, a cooperative effort hopefully here between myself, the Lone Gunman podcast, and the Dallas Action so it'll have all of our logos on it and the event information kind of like as if

you were getting a concert shirt for the Lancer event. Okay, but I don't really have the money to print a lot of these, So if you'll want one of those, you're gonna have to ship in and help me get him printed. If not, screw it. I guess you don't want a T shirt because I can't afford to print too many of these. I'm definitely gonna get one for me. I want to get one for b Pete. Jimmy James has already taken care of his end on that as far as I'm

concerned, and he's also owed a few things already. So if you're planning on going to Dallas and you want to make sure that you got a T shirt that goes along with that event, I'm gonna make him. But I'm only gonna make a very limited number right now. My target is only maybe to make four of them, and I can't even afford to do that at the moment. So if you want to kick in on that, send me an email, let me know and kick in on it. Whatever you can

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Friday show the normal call in, but we might broadcast from Dallas. We're looking into that right now, and it's not arranged in stone just yet, but we're working on it, and we're going to continue to work on stuff here on the Ocelli Effect. Take your calls on a Friday, and continue to do my thing Tuesday through Friday here on the network along with Aaron Franz Uncle, a new show starting on Sunday, and who knows what else the future might hold, But until then, I am merely o'ceelly all of you,

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