The Ochelli Effect 9-7-2023 Regular Joe

The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall Street Window dot Com and listeners like yeah now y September seven, twenty three. Allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar and guess what, this is a show you might have been looking forward ce Chilly Effect Thursday night now most Thor's days Thursdays, that is, to most of you. I normally have Larry Hancock or Mike sponson with me. Now. Funny thing is, Mike is a bit worn out, wants

to take a break from doing stuff. Larry doesn't feel well, and I had an intent to bring on well, not somebody new unless you're new to the show, but somebody who we haven't heard from in a while. Wanted to bring him back anyway, So I took this opportunity to do it Thursday. And this will not be an intense info show necessarily, although for some people maybe it is. I don't think it's gonna stress you out. Like

the news. I don't think it's gonna bother you because we used to do this thing called regular Guy News on here, and Regular Guy News would quickly devolve into hell with the news. Who cares, didn't matter how many headlines I threw it my friend here. It was like, oh so what okay, here's a sentence on that. That's it. We would throw away the news, we'd throw away politics, and just wind up having a chat. And we called that Regular Guy News. Why was it called regular Guy News?

A couple of reasons, but primarily because I had my friend regular Joe with me. Now here's the funny part. There's another guy out there named regular Joe. I didn't know this, but he's out there and he's a media guy and he does other stuff. It's not that regular Joe. It's my friend from Kentucky. Anyway, that's the way that is. And I just started calling him regular Joe because really he's got a regular name. He's a regular guy. He's just sort of a you know, exactly what you

would think of from somebody named Joe. I gotta tell you anyway, funny story I got about a drawing I did about him, a few other things. Who knows what we'll get into, but yeah, this is gonna be more of a fun night. And if you're hearing me on the live stream, you know I went to air Elite. But what else is old? So this is the way it is lately. What are you gonna do. But podcasts, a bunch of those are gonna get dropped in a little while,

so get ready for that as well. And by the time you hear this, if you only listen to podcasts, you'd be like, hey, you just put all that stuff out, I know. But if you're hearing the live stream, you haven't gotten stuff this week. But I got a few to release, so I will get him out shortly. Matter of fact, tonight when I'm done talking to my friend here anyway, regular Joe, how are you doing? Man? Long time no talk? Yeah, no,

man, I've missed you. Guys. I've kind of ducked out of everything media, you know, due to the ah stress it put on me. It just kept me angry, So I'll let it go. Was it really can you angry? I always thought you just sort of looked at it and thought, Okay, here's the stupidity of this and that, and that's that. You know, You're right, the news in and of itself that was my reaction. It's it's the way people react to it that would just

keep me angry all the time. So when somebody brings up a news story and I don't know what they're talking about really shortens that conversation for me. Well, and you were working with the public quite a bit for a bit there, and I know every day some people had to say things to you that we're probably annoying the hell out of you because it was like, uh, you know, look that they were coming to you so that you would repeat back to them what they wanted to hear, which is what I've discovered

as the key to the universe at this point. People really just want to hear their own thoughts repeated back at them. They want what do they used to call that affirmation something like that, right, Yeah, that's all they want. Give me my opinion back to me. Otherwise you're stupid. Uh, That's that's what our entire society and culture has devolved into. You know, agree with everything I say, or you're the bad guy. Yeah,

definitely, definitely. I mean, and I keep discovering that and rediscovering that. By the way, if you don't say exactly what people expect you to say, you're no good. It's weird to me though, because I don't know. When I was younger, certainly and even nowadays, I always like to look for what the other guy is thinking. I always want to see Okay, tell me your side of it. Maybe I'll come over there. If you make a good argument, you know, tell me how you see

that. I always like to hear the opposition, the different, the other. That's the only way I think you progress learn. Allow some other information to come in, even if it's crap information. Sometimes you can learn something from an idiot, even and there are many an idiot out there, so there are plenty of opportunities to learn from idiots. I'm not saying you learn a lot, but you might learn one key point from a guy who is just, you know, otherwise pretty much stupid. So I mean, I'm

just saying it's one of those things. And yet I find that our culture has now devolved into no I want. You know, as much as people complain about their algorithms feeding them stuff, they want those algorithms to limit it to what they already believe. They only want support of their own opinions. They only want support of their own political idealism, their own religious idealism, their own whatever it is, and not even necessarily what it is they do.

I mean, the guy that's eaten you know, Ramen noodles and McDonald's every day and is wondering why he's getting fat. He might watch cooking shows, indeed, but he only wants to see cooking shows. Therefore that's all he's gonna go for. And that's fine. And he can look at gourmet stuff all day long and then pull his hot pockets out and eat them. I don't care. That's out to him. And that's what they do politically. You know, I've got these high ideals. I believe in the Constitution.

I believe in and then meanwhile, I like Donald Trump. Okay, I want a peaceful world where things are functional and rational. And meanwhile, I want the old man running the White House that's there right now because I'm a Democrat. Oh what the hell is wrong with people? I don't know. Yeah, where's the middle of the road? Now, you know? Where is it? That's the other thing is how do you have Okay, you look at a highway. If you imagine that there were only the shoulders

to work with on the highway and there's no roads in the middle. That is also the landscape of the career. There is no road, just the two shoulders. Yeah, well, you know what they said. And back to the future where we're doing we don't need roads. Of course you don't, because you look, I get it, and maybe you don't. And maybe it's my limited way of thinking. And I should only accept things that

I already believe I mean, and I should only let you know. The Siri and the bots and the artificial intelligence feed me only the things that are properly hashtagged and designed from my point of view, whatever the hell that is, I can't figure it out. And it all has to be politically correct. You can't. You can't make the left shoulder angry. It has to be politically correct. No, no, no, no, that's not true,

Joe. See, here's the thing. If I don't want political correctness, then you better damn well not give me some political correctness, even if it is polite. You know, like, why can't I use the N word in public? And yeah, I just did a politically correct thing because I believe that that is a little overly offensive to simply use that word coming out of my mouth. It sounds harsh. Oh yeah, that's that's not coming out of my mouth. You can. It's not about political correctness.

It's just to me, it sounds bad. It's a bad idea for me to use that word. But I don't want to dance around and try and figure out the new names of the new genders and all that. Forget it. I ain't doing it well, okay, man, I don't you know what I better not. I don't think I can say what I was about to say on air, you, no matter how biologically true it may be. I don't think I'm allowed to say what I was about to say on airs by that one. No, no, no, let's not. I'll

tell you why, dude. Listen. I okay, I'm not on a M and FM anymore, so I don't curse on my show. I don't encourage it. But you know what you do, what you want, you'd be you. It's fine if you got something to say that's messed up. Listen. I also was happy to have Blind Joe on, which you probably didn't hear, because oh you did hear Blind Joe? No, no,

I didn't, Okay. Blind Joe has been on several times, but one of the times he was on more recently, he had a show excuse me a song U called the Truth and no, and he got kicked off a TikTok for hate speech and stuff for a song called the truth. And I'll just give you the quick synopsis. I mean, if you were born with the penis, you're a boy, and if you could have a baby,

you're a girl. And you know what, if you don't recognize this and this is country music, by the way, and if you don't recognize this is true, then you're one of the dumbest people in the world. And given that he said that, and that I'm paraphrasing his lyrics, he did it better. But you can look it up if you want country song. And he was on here talking about it. Yeah, they they hit him for hate speech, encouraging violence against LGBTQ people, whatever that, and I

went, wow, okay, well, I don't hear hate speech. I don't hear encouragement of violence. And we actually talked about, you know, how how it is people actually use fairly hateful and violent speech against vulnerable individuals, considering the fact that, look, he's blinder than I am. And we talked about how people are abusive to blind people and you know, telling this stuff like we should have never been born, or parents should have abhorted

us, you know, things like that. That sounds pretty hateful to me. And to be honest with you, it sounds a lot more hateful than telling people looking if he got a penis, you're a boy and you okay, Yeah, well you said pretty much what I was going to say. You know, you know, I had this conversation with a fella, that really nice fell, a very smart individual, which I don't encounter much in that generation around here. I'm not going to throw off on the entire generation.

I'm just saying what I see here locally, that generation I don't have intelligent conversations with very frequently, but you could with this particular fellow, very very smart young man, and he said that he never really identified himself as a male, okay. And I was like, well, if you mean by way of machismo, then you know, you man beating your chest and you know I don't eat it. I was like, but I do know

what I was born with attached to me, therefore male. You know, you know, I may not agree with the sulcial and cultural macheesemo image of what a man is supposed to be, and never have, but I am a man and I was born a man, and I have the parts to prove it. So well, you can call yourself whatever you want. I don't care. That's none of my business. I'm not gonna hate you for that. I'm not even gonna make fun of you for that. Right, it's not about business. No, look like I got no problem with any

of what you're saying. And here's the thing, I feel free to embrace part of what they call toxic masculinity anymore, right because, like I was just saying to somebody the other day, I said, you know, in the old days, I appreciated the idea that I had friends who who you

know what. Every once in a while, we'd get a little angry at each other, punch each other in the face and have it out, maybe break a couple of things, toss each other around a bit, you know, so long as not some real serious damage was done that might steal be my friend a couple of days later or a day later whatever. And we used to do that, and I think that was part of the process of growing up as a man. I think that is part of what made us man. And yeah, you're on, yeah a little bit. I think

the testing ground was fair. I think us hitting each other with rocks and sticks, and we were too poor to buy toys. Yep, I think that was part of it. I think we were supposed to go out and eat some dirt. I think we were supposed to go out and get into pointless fistfights with each other when we were little boys. I think that was something we were supposed to do. So I don't abandon all of the you know, chest beating male stuff. But can we be more civilized as adults?

I think so? Can we reserve that for when it's really really needed, which is what I've always tried to do because I'm kind of You wouldn't believe it by listening to me talk. But I'm kind of a hot tempered guy. I know. I always was, and I was raised with a younger sister, and it was I was always tasked by my parents protect your little sister, right, you know? So I still have that in me.

If if I see, if I see like a girl getting yelled at by a man, then oh boy, it is just my it's just my nature to jump in there and say, hey, what do you think you're doing? Well? But but but how dare you that that that girl can take care of herself? Joe, Well, it's wrong with you there, I can't help it. It's how I was raised. It's like I'm wired that way. You know. You talk on the show about external input with another another guest to Greek, Yeah, about external input. That was my

external input. No, absolutely, Look, and I don't fault that part of the culture for anything that went wrong here. Matter of fact, I think it is part of the character building exercise. Look, I'm not saying that gender roles are absolutely clear. I'm not saying that every man is defined in exactly the same way. We're not. But physically, I think the physiology is pretty clear. And I find it ridiculous that this sort of like

doesn't matter what my physiology is. I can decide anything. Okay, that's great in the weird fantasy world. And yes, indeed, some people want to play the girl characters on the video games, I guess, even if they're not girls, and some girls want to play the guy characters, even if they're not. I like using the girl characters, so they're drawn very well, some of them are. And I'll tell you Chun Lee on Street Fighter used to be my favorite to use because she was just the most versatile

fighter and speed was of the essence. But but that's the thing is I like the speed. Plus she had enough strength that she wasn't weak. You know, she didn't have any of the weird you know, like supernatural abilities so much. I mean later on she did, but initially when the introduced her in The Street Fighter, realm not so much, you know. And she was pretty good martial artist all that. Okay. But here's the thing.

I think that that's a separate issue. I'm not concerned with political correctness necessarily, But there is such a thing as simply not being an a hole. Uh. And I don't think you have to scream, you know, arbitrarily for no reason, a whole bunch of offensive terms, just to be offensive. If you have to make a point, you make a point. But but that is so far removed from this idea of political correctness. I mean, if that was what political correctness was, I'd be on board with

it. There's no reason for us to be abrasive with one another at all times. The world is going to rub us the wrong way all the time constantly. We don't have to help out and arbitrarily do it with our words. I think we should be a lot more intentional about the words we use.

But look, I want to go back to having fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll talk to tell you about something on this subject that somebody musical brought up lately, and I think he's become a victim of cancel culture because of it, mister Alice Cooper, Okay, by the way,

by the way, really quickly, just a note the listeners. If you're not familiar with regular Joe and he was talking about his hot temper, I urge you to go back in the archive and maybe see if you can find or go back on the whatever feed you're using, see if you can find the show where he talked about his neighbor, uh and how he had to handle that situation, and you'll find out that indeed, Joe can be hot

tempered. Uh. I was laughing my head off. You were telling me about this guy getting near your fence or scrap, and I can't even remember the whole story, but I just remember picturing you confronting this neighbor in a very like sort of obscure. You're you're not in a major city. You're you're you're in a very actually very very rural, very rural area which I almost moved to a couple of years ago. I was getting ready to move there. Uh, and uh. It just didn't work out because of issues

with the dwelling. But but I was looking to move there just because it was peaceful, it was nice, and there wasn't gonna be too many people around. But I was gonna have Joe as a neighbor, and I thought that was huge plus. And I still wouldn't mind that, but you know, we'd have to work something else out because I need to find an affordable place to be and I don't know where the hell that is anywhere anymore. Okay, so let's get to it and go ahead and tell me about this

Alice Cooper you bring up. Now. I saw something about it, but I didn't delve into it. And I used to be into Alice Cooper. I kinda listened to him for a little bit when he went and did his radio shows, and I think he still tours once in a while. But I'm not really up on the latest Alice Cooper. I mean, since the nineties, I don't think I've really paid a lot of attention to Alice Cooper, except again, when I used to catch him on the overnight radio shows

he had, Jeez, what was the name of that show? Nights with Alice Cooper or something. I think it was just called nationally syndicated radio show. And he's been a character and an interesting guy long time. Very theatrical on stage. I mean I used to love the stuff that I used to see in the early days when we couldn't see every musician in the world instantly on a video platform, right, I used to love the theatrics. I mean, this is a guy who hung himself, beheaded himself, you know,

with special effects on stage. Very uh campy sort of you know, horror shock rock kind of stuff that people like Marilyn Manson would take much further, et cetera, et cetera. Weird note, I do remember one of

the biggest weirdest stories from before I was with full memory capabilities. I guess my father once dressed up for Halloween as Alice Cooper, which I felt were rather strange and you know, but apparently he I mean, my dad was more of a motown guy, but clearly he was aware of the you know, the guy was the king of shock rock and that was Alice Cooper. So what is the controversy? Can you give us an explanation about what it

is he did wrong? And uh yeah, tell us about that, because honestly, I saw it go by and I kind of went, Alice Cooper not really being politically correct, oh boy, you know, and I just passed it by. So but tell me the details on it if you have. Well, I got the details from my daughter because she's a big rocker.

Now. She's fourteen and she's way into the classic rock. She read an article from I can't remember where, but Alice Cooper was speaking about transgender children and how he thought that they weren't old enough to choose and that shouldn't be done. You know, he said, because if he said, and his reasoning was, if you give a child a choice to be a boy, a girl, or a tree, some of them will ultimately choose to be a tree. This is true. So he said, he didn't care

about the adult thing. You know, whatever, do what you want to do. Well, children will intelligently and correctly and also, as part of their growing process, choose to be a great many things. I mean, in the days when we didn't have so much you know, media that we could access, we had to use this thing called our imaginations. Well, yeah, I would have been a dragon, right, Maybe you would have

been a dragon. Maybe you would have been a cop. Maybe you would have been a sports star, maybe you would have been a rock star, maybe you would have been a character from a TV show you saw. You would pretend to be a great many things, and these things were intense, real happy places you could go to. And indeed, you know, some people's imaginary worlds get even more intense when they have, you know, poor childhoods, and when they have issues in their childhood, they have unhappy homes.

They might want to spend a lot of time in their own headspace imagining that they're not only not in that home, but a creature that wouldn't even possibly live in that home because they want to remove themselves from something. Now, that doesn't mean that that's wrong or bad or anything. You do always have to sit down and explain to children and that there is a difference between

your you know, pretend life and your real life. That always has to come up, because you know, if you let them get so out of control with the pretend. You know, some of them might become avant god or avant garde artists, that's true, but the majority of them will be dysfunctional as people if they stay stuck in their day dreams. But that's it. That's the thing that is a mind that is not prepared to make final decisions. I mean, I I've very much seen. Look, body alteration,

it's pretty simple. You've gotta be of a certain age to get a tattoo. Why because it has permanent consequences. So do these things. So wouldn't it make sense that you would use the same logic here. Let's assume that all of the other you know, well, this is perfectly natural. They should be allowed to Okay, look if I argue with none of that and just stand by the idea that an adult has freedom to do whatever they

want so long as they're not harming others as far as I'm concerned. I mean, Joe, if you want to sit there and burn yourself with branding irons because you like the effect of the scar on your skin, I have no right to tell you not to do it. I don't. For the record, I'm pulling a crazy example. No, you don't, of course not. You're a regular Joe. You're not. You're not freaky BDSM Joe. You you you are regular Joe. You know BDSM Joe will be on

the show next week. But I'm kidding, although I have had Lady Maga the Donald Trump supporting drag queen on here. But anyways, back to it, Yeah, that's the thing. Anyways, back to it, Yeah, I mean, but if you chose that, I got no right to tell you not to. I mean, that's up to you. You're you're a grown man. I can't be like whoa for his own protection, We're gonna stop him. Bro. No, you want to scar yourself, you want to alter your body. You want to uh, you know add implants,

which men add implants too. I mean, women do the breast implants. We know about all that, but I mean apparently they make pectoral implants for men. And some men want their butts to be shaped differently. They get these, you know, butt implants. There are penile implants, uh, in order to enhance that part of you. I have no right to tell you not to implant things, alter things on your body. You want to get to you know, and I don't know what do we call that?

An extra? I can't even say it's straight. What I was thinking of is and you want to go get circumcised a second time, it's up to you. I mean, you want to just add a whole second penis or you listen, you want to do that. I mean, look, that's between you, the doctor and your wife and how much money you got as far as i'm and I mean, look, you want to have you know, artificial foreskin added. I mean, dude, it's all up to you

as far as I'm concerned. You know what I mean. You you know you want to get a pair of breasts for your wife's back, and she's all for it. Go do? I mean, what can I You want to get four wheels surgically attached to yourself and call yourself a wagon? Great? Let me suggest where the handle should go. Of course, there's great places for the handle to go. Uh, you know, and the piercings too, like you know, the bull ring through the nose. I mean,

please enjoy tattoo your face. Have fun. You're an adult. It's your body, all right, not my business. I don't care, but I don't at least I don't care at all. Yeah, but I do find it strange that permanent decisions, because these will become permanent when they start adding these you know, blockers and all that thing. So you know what I think. I agree with Alice Cooper and in fact, I would take it further, like, use the same standard you would for a tattoo.

Simple right, right, Yeah, And I can't say that I disagree with him. There you go. So, but he's in trouble for this now because they're calling it what hate speech? He's anti LGBTQ. Ye all that? Yep, you nailed it. Okay, Well what can I say? I mean, wait, did you learn anything else about this? How has he responded except probably in typical Alice Cooper fashion to say, look, this was an intelligent statement I made. In hell with it. It is what

it is, because that's pretty much Alice Cooper. Yeah, okay, pretty much. He's not sorry. There's no apology coming. No. He might have said, look, I didn't mean to hurt anybody, but I'm not going to apologize for the truth. I mean something like that, I imagine. Yeah, you know, because he's not despite the strange and raucous and you know, dark imagery and weird stuff he does on stage and whatnot, he's not a you know, a violent person. He's not somebody who encourages

problems. He's not a hateful you know, he doesn't do songs or performances that are meant to inspire violence against anybody. Oh, I don't think he has any assault charges either. Another interesting factoid about mister Cooper there. I can't remember his real name, but I used to know, but I can't remember anymore. But his mother's family is from the same county in Tennessee where my wife is from. No kidding. Yeah, it's a very small place

to very small, very rule. I'm hearing a scraping noise there. Wasn't sure what was going on there. Okay, yeah, no, Alice Cooper, he is from the same he's from Tennessee. Huh his mother's family, yeah, sure enough. I didn't know his mother herself lived there. I think he may have as a small child. Huh. Well, I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna check in with it and see see exactly, because you know what, I used to know his name off the top of my head, and when I see it, I'm gonna be you know, upset.

Yeah, me too, because that's just you know, the way it is. It's one of those things like, ah, I used to know that off the top of my head all the time, but nowadays not so much. He was born ready, this is actually no, this doesn't pop off into right at me as it should to be honest. He was born Vincent Damon Furnier. Yep, that's right, okay, all right, Well that one didn't jump right off of my like I know that Ozzy Osbourne is John

Michael Osborne. That that's an immediate one I always have. But you know me, uh, you know, not not unusual early life. Let's see. He was born on February four, February four, nineteen forty eight, according to Wikipedia, now in Detroit, Michigan. Moved there the way I understand it, he may have been born there, but his mother his mother was is from Scott County, Tennessee. Well Maroni Moroney of Furnier and his

wife Ella May let's see, was named after his uncle, Vincent. Okay, a short story about Damon Runyan was the other name that yo said. That's where they got the middle name. His father was an evangelist in the Church of Jesus Christ. What's he informally known as black Wait a minute, as a big big bicker tonights. Okay, I don't know that that's a weird one anyway. Paternal grandmother, Blah blah blah, was an Apostle from nineteen seventeen, but Cooper wasn't active in his church. At the ages of

eleven and twelve. Following a series of childhood illnesses, he moved with his family to Phoenix, Arizona, where he attended courtest High School. I don't know, maybe there's something in his early life that Wikipedia doesn't have. Big shock there if Wikipedia's information is incorrect, but possibly do you have to follow his mother? I think he said her name was Elama, Is that right?

Yeah? That definitely that sounds like I was gonna say, that definitely sounds like a Tennessee or Kentucky or Westbridge, yeah, or you know, Elma is definitely like you know that that could have easily been Charles Manson's mother's sister's name there and Scott County actually borders Kentucky, so ah, there you go. So that makes a bit of sense. But anyway, in northeastern Tennessee, the general legend I know is that he's from Detroit. That's for

sure, all right. Anyways, whatever it is, it is, I mean, huge, long career from the seventies, actually from the late sixties, right, I think. So let's see early let's go to his career real fast Okay, the Spiders and Naz in nineteen sixty four, Okay, sixteen years old, let's see in sixty six Spiders sixty seven, the band had begun to make regular name changed to Alice Cooper. In nineteen sixty eight.

The band learned that Todd Rundgren, who was also in the band, also had a band called Naz and found themselves and need him another stage name. Believe in the group of they chose the name Alice Cooper largely because it sounded innocuous and wholesome. Okay. In his two thousand and seven book Alice Cooper Golf Monster, Cooper stated that his look was inspired in part by films. One of the band's all time bands movies was Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?

Okay, starring Betty Davis. Well, that explains the crazy Messcarren stuff right, Okay, let's see the class Galice Cooper group lineup consisted of blah blah blah. Okay, I'm just going I'm just like skimming through taking a look at this scene. If there's something Let's see. Cooper's debut studio album, Uh Pretties for You as nineteen sixty nine. Okay, so I was

right. The Alice Cooper thing really starts in sixty nine with that first album, although the band's name was changed previous to that, et cetera, et cetera. And then in the seventies, I mean he takes off and we get you know, Schools Out and all that stuff. Let's see, we got dates here in seventy two. Seventy one featured a stage show including mock fights and gothic torture models. That was in seventy one, already follow up

album Killer in seventy two or seventy three. The summer of seventy two, solo released of the single Schools Out Okay, there's our schools out Comes in that reached number two in the US charts. Blah blow okay. Billion Dollar Babies was in seventy three. Okay. That was right after with a string of successful concept albums No no, no, okay. Muscle of Love, which is pretty funny, released end of seventy three, so he released two albums that year. Teenage Lament was in seventy four. Okay, he was

really like putting out an album constantly. Let's see return to the solo art Okay. He returned as a solo artist and Welcome to My Nightmare in seventy five see love song. Yeah, and that is a freaky iconic sort of a song, right, yea, Yeah. I was in a band one time. We were playing this little gig uh call called the New Amsterdam in Knoxville, Tenners Knoxville, Tennessee, and we were doing a benefit for the Hard Knocks Roller Girls, the roller Derby, right, and one of them

was dressed as Alice Cooper from Welcome to My Nightmare. I'll never forget that costume because she was so almost spot on nice. Yeah, that was a really cool costume. I had had a little Derby hat and all you know, m let's see from the inside. I'm going through a whole bunch of this stuff because now now I'm taking a look at the rest of Oh god. He was a villain in the in the film Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Arts Club Band, which is wow awful movie. Oh wow, I about that.

Let's see nineteen eighties. Let's see he's in Zipper Catches Roy Thomas Bigger eighty three. Now I'm waiting for when I think it's eighty five or eighty six, he gets to do the Friday thirteen soundtrack. Right, let's see about eighty six Friday the thirteenth, part six, Jason lives and I'm pretty sure yeah, man behind the mask okay? Cool? Uh? And that coincided with his album Constrictor, which I remember buying brand new from the record stores

and stuff I was fourteen. I had of course, I had copies of Schools Out and I even went to the trouble to get me the one that was actually a pop out desk. It was a record and it was a pop out desk that you could actually put the little legs from the desk down and you could open the top of the record and it was like one of those old wooden desks. That is cool. I always love the album art like that, like physical graffiti, how you could spin it and the big

different people in the windows. Yeah, yeah, you know what. The concepts were great with some of the album art with lifted riffs. That's true. Anyways, you know, you know, I'm a big ladhead. That's that's where you and uh, that's where where our paths diverge. We definitely we diverge on there, Okay, but it is it is a thing. Let's see shocking spectrals other than a kind of controversy in Europe. Anyway, I'm just taking a look through here. Oh of course, there was the

time he went to WrestleMania in eighty seven. Oh wow, I forgot about that. I remember Ozzie was cool. If we wouldn't have been cool, if we could have seen Donald Trump and Alice Cooper in a fight, that would have been hilarious. Although Ozzie Osbourne was there, I believe also at that same WrestleMania. Maybe, oh maybe Rozzie was at WrestleMania two and Cooper was at WrestleMania three. Three was the big deal because it was whole Covid

versus Andre the Giant. But anyways, okay, ninety one, he releases his nineteen studio album Hey Stupid, which I always thought it was a funny song, not like the best of his best work, but very catchy, very useful song. Was feeding my Frankenstein on that same one. You know, I was just looking for that because I'm looking for let's see, he's on Freddy's Dead, the Final Nightmare, Nightmare and now I'm straight. So he did both of those. Let's see last Temptation album Hollywood Records A Fist

Full of Alice in Saint Clown Posse's The Great Malenko. Wait a minute, what is this uh? In nineteen Okay Fist Full of Alice was released, and in nineteen ninety seven he lent his voice to the intro track of in Saint Cloud's Posse's The Great Malenko. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Wow, but i CP always makes me laugh. Yeah no, and I you know I like them as well. Let's see Okay Dungeons, Dragon seventy Nights and Nights Okay Cooper's radio show Nights with Alice Cooper, Dirty

Timonds. I'm not seeing that that that here. I know it's it's somewhere though, because that's when he was in the movie Wayne's World. That's gotta be. Okay, Let's let's roll it back a little bit, because that's gotta be like eighty eighty nine. I don't think I was in high school, which would have put a post ninety Let's see Diamond Child produced a Grammy nominative of rena Tour. Where is it did he showed I know he showed up in that movie though, because they do the whole thing. We're not

worthy and they're bowing to him and all that. Okay, Garden Freddy's taed like Mary holm Street. Use your Illusion. Uh, let's see guessed it on records by the most guy he was on Use your Illusion one. Oh wow, he guessed it on there. I didn't know that. Okay, well here it is. Oh, you're gonna you're gonna love this. Cooper made a cameo appearance in the nineteen ninety two comedy film Wayne's World, Yes ninety two, Okay, and that is he does feed my Frankenstein in there.

Let's see the band to discussed it. Yeah, that is pretty funny where he starts discussing, you know, where Milwaukee comes from and everything, like, yeah, it's like an intellectual the guy you know, and he is actually kind of intellectual, Like you listen to that radio show and he starts to like, you know, do little runs, little rambles. He actually can talk and hold your attention and tell you stories. You know.

You know, always thought that he and Howard Stern look alike. Yeah, in a way like if you combine almost if Joey Ramone and Alice Cooper had a baby. That's what Howard Stern would look like, you know, I like, you know, that's pretty good analogy there. You know, I actually saw the Ramones in nineteen ninety six. Yeah, I had seen them a couple of times. But you know, the Ramones are an interesting we're an interesting cultural phenomena onto themselves. Well, you know, I didn't buy

Ramon's tickets. You know, I'm not that guy. They were at Lollapalooza that year. So enough, fair enough. So anyway, look, we were gonna talk actually about music, and we stumbled into Alice Cooper because of the controversy for you guys listening out there. But I'll tell you what I think. What we're gonna do here is take just a quick little break and I'm gonna come back with maybe about another twenty minutes with regular Joe on the

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back to playing that once in a while. Anyway. It is what it is. Second segment of the Ocelli Effect here on a Thursday, and regular Joe is with me. So we went out on that last segment talking about Alice Cooper, which we didn't plan. I just pulled up the Wikipedia and started skimming through it. What the hell? This is the way these shows might go and we might have some musical discussions now and then. I think that's gonna happen. Maybe I'll pick some unusual pieces of things to talk about.

But who knows. We did a discussion about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremonies. I think we played some clips or took a look at something anyway during the one show. I mean, what the hell, we'll do that. We'll take a look at just what our opinions are. Wait a minute. Two of us might have been musicians at certain points in our lives. So that means we don't have opinions, right, No, No, Mucussons aren't opinionated. Check. Musicians are not opinionated or judgmental at

all, are they. No, They're just always right. Yeah, that's what it is. We're always right. Even even when people are dead wrong, they think they're right. Okay, so yeah, that happens. We might do that. We might have clashes over things. Matter of fact, I'm going to bring up something that we might clash over right now, and I'm not going to give you a hint as to what I think or why. But here's the thing. People got really upset Jimmy Buffett died. Jimmy

Buffett. Yeah, so did you know that? Yeah, my mom told me she was really bummed out about it. Yeah, Jimmy Buffett. You know he's an old guy, right, He's been around a long time. Oh yeah, yeah, he's been around a long time. I was surprised to learn that he had put together about a billion dollars getting paid off of his music through constant touring. He created a restaurant, he created the whole beach bum lifestyle kind of thing. Whatever they call all that. I don't

know. Uh, you know they in Mugarydog, That's all I remember. And then it was like an AM radio staple when I was a kid. But other than that, it was kind of like, Wow, I can't believe this guy came up with a billion dollars off of what I consider to be mediocre music at best. And it's like, there's no all you need. And I'm not going to disagree with that at all. I'm not a

big Jimmy Buffett fan. Okay. See, now, I wasn't sure how you might fall on that because you and I have disagreements over certain people and and it's it's pretty intense to disagree. It's as as I mentioned in the first hour, I had mentioned lifted rips, and then Joe replies, well, I'm a lead ahead. What are we talking about? Led Zeppelin? Oh ye, so to me, to me, to me, and and I hope we have many conversations like this. Actually, and to me,

it's the greatest rock band ever. See now that that, to me is depends, okay, on on how you want to look at it. My favorite is not necessarily the greatest band ever. My greatest band ever is actually Alison Chains. Oh, greatest of the nineties, greatest of their era. Absolutely no argument from me, Lane Staley and Jerry Cantrail as a combo was oh man, that was that was nineties perfection. Yeah. So, I mean everybody everybody wants to talk about Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Why Alison Chains

and Sound Garden were twice the acts those guys were. That's all you need is Alison Chains and the story. I mean, that's it. And even when they made personnel changes up until up until Lane and Jerry are both gone, Okay, then then you got problems. I mean, look, the new guy, he doesn't adequate job. But there's just there's not that soul in it. That soul is gone, you know, and that's all there is to it. But Alison Chains, to me is the best band band

that I ever saw. My favorite band is Black Sabbath, you know that. And I can't stand led Zeppelin because they ripped off a lot of other artists in my opinion, which they did, absolutely they did. I mean I just asked Muddy Waters, right, well, you know Muddy Waters, all these other people weird freaky stuff that you can find online. There's a whole bit. I know. I set you all those videos of like here's the comparisons and all that. It's true. And I knew about that years

ago because there were controversies. There were estates suing them. There were you know, claims of like Page Plant wrote this, you know, and it's like, no, they didn't, because it pre existed, this record here in the seventies when somebody you know, burned it onto an ascetate in the forties and the sixties and the fifties. Oh whoops. But I didn't like. And it's really funny because Bill Burr, who did the f is for

Family series, which is hilarious and unfortunately has ended cartoon series. You know, he represented a led Zeppelin type band and they were called Lifted Riffs. Its very befitting too, because you know, give the devil his due right, which they did not. So but here's the interesting spin on that.

It turns out that Bill Burr is a led Zeppelin fan and he's a drummer and talks about John Bonham like a lot on his podcast see and to me, I know, John Bonham has always been one of these venerated drummers. You know, I'm not saying, and I don't go, well, Bill Ward's better. These guys were products of their time. I don't see Bonham as all that impressive. He's solid, he's solid, But really the most impressive musician technically in that band was John Paul Jones. John Paul Jones,

oh, one hundred percent all the way. He's He's the unsung hero of led Zeppelin. Because what makes Bonham Bonham is that he's distinctive. He's distinctive, Okay, fair, he's distinctive. See and Jimmy Page is sloppy as hell, Oh worry. I mean it didn't matter if he was an old man, young man, sober, high, drunk, it didn't matter it's just slop slopfest, that's what he is. And Robert Plant is at one timing quite inconsistent. It's because he had no timing, and you can see

it even now the stuff he does with Alison Krause. I love her. I think that her voice is just angelic, you know, and she's in a genre that I despise. But at the same time, I love Allison Krause. Her voice makes all the hair stand up on the back of my neck when I hear it. But when you see Plant on stage with her, he's he has no rhythm at all. Well, look at you. You may not be a fan of Whitney Houston's pop music, but you got to admit skills when you hear skills. Okay, it's just that simple.

I don't want like Marshall Mathers, but he's the goat. Listen. You gotta give it to him for that, for that particular style that he cultivated and does quite well. And I mean alliteration. He's certainly a poetic h Whatever it is you want to say about the content of that poetry, it's up to you. But you know, again, these are genres where you can consider that. Look there there's people that master things, and Page was good in a studio. He can make a lot of things sound good in

a studio. I give him that, but to me, it's like, not that impressive, and you stole a lot of your music. I don't like him for this reason, so I'll be one of those guys forever. Which, by the way, I argue with missus oh about this. Uh so I argue a bit, yeah, and I argue with everybody about this. It's like, oh, you know, what's one of your favorite class If you ask anybody and they have an awareness of, you know, music

in the seventies at all, let Zeppelin comes up. Oh yeah, so you know, I mean, isn't that the big three of the seventies? It is for me. Sabbath has grown in to that position, but for a long time they were not one of the recognized bands. You know. And you know, if you were a heavy metal guy, yes you knew them. If you were a hard rock guy, yes you knew them. But you know, pretty much like ACDC does not change very much. They continue to release the same thing over and over again. But it is the

ACDC thing, you know what I mean. It's okay, but it's not expansive, it's not particularly technical. Some of that stuff is very cool, very seriously gritty, blues oriented and original. The way Angus Young did stuff, I don't know. You know, look, some of the ways that Zeppelin did things are semi original, but it's difficult to take them seriously as an innovator, regardless of popularity, considering all the stuff they ripped off.

So I mean, it's just there's where my problem is. But look, let's get away from the Zeppelin thing, because we could talk about a lot of other stuff. And we did talk about Jimmy Buffett for a second. Who's dead. And I know I'm pissing some people at the over dude, So Jimmy Bubba, And look, I can't begrudge he made a billion dollars off of that stuff, according to reports, and he was a good marketer.

It didn't make him a good musician, no, But you know what adequate enough though that I still remember his tunes, right, Yeah, Well, of course, I mean, because the inundated pop culture. It's been in commercials, it's been in movies, it's been in TV shows, it's it's it's on T shirts, it's Dave Grohl parody parody. I can't say that he did a parody of it. Yes, true. But here's the thing, you know, even if you ask people about okay, so who

are the great guitarists? I mean, and they might say, oh, well, how about Ingray Mallenstein now, or there's the name you haven't heard in a while, how about Joe Satriani? How about yeah? Okay, now, name me three other songs. You can't, but you can name Buffett stuff because it's stuck, you know what I'm saying now, you know, and to me, some of the more technical and underrated still underrated, even though they've got a lot more do is people like Randy Rhodes and stuff

like that. Over the years, at a certain point that was relegated to a subculture. It wasn't even part of something you would imagine would end up in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or on regular radio. And that was a different animal at that time. Now it's a whole lot more mainstream, it's a whole lot more acceptable. Of course, Randy Rhodes was always

seemed as a great guitarist. No, he wasn't. First of all, he wasn't seen as a great guitarist when he was doing Quiet Riot albums that were only released in Japan, those albums kind of suck actually, And you know, and when he did the azzy stuff, he had to deal with the azzy baggage, so that was a problem for Randy Rhodes. And also he was only on the scene legitimately about three years on the world scene.

So no matter how much he innovated, no matter what he recorded, no matter the oddness of his live tonal playing and everything else, and a lot of interesting mixes he did between classical and very standard hard rock stuff, complex rhythms, the way he noodled over Black Sabbath riffs almost with a grudge against them when he played them, and yet still figured out a way to make

them sound very cool and different. Were even playing iron Man, which is not an easy thing to play in a recognizable way and also take it in another direction at the same time. Many people have tried and they usually fail. But you listen to Rhodes play that, or you listen to him play Children as the Grave, or you listen to him play anything that was a Black Sabbath song, and you know what, all of a sudden, it

sounds better. And if you want to hear what a guitarist of that time using similar equipment got to do with it, just listen to Brad Gillis, who was, you know, the guitarist from Night Ranger and stepped in after a couple of shows with a guy named Bernie Tormey with Ozzie, and all of a sudden you got Brad Gillis in there, who did an adequate job, but certainly wasn't Randy Rhodes could not come anywhere near the guy's proficiency,

the guy's you know, way of playing that was due to his classical abilities. Randy Rhodes, yea, even though he's known for playing metal, he was a classical guitarist, right right, yeah, And if you can master

that, I'm pretty sure that's the pinnacle of musical creation from humans. Well maybe, but you know what, if you take a good listen to the very blues oriented and very very heavy stuff that has come out of again, one of Ozzie's guitarists Zach Wilde, And of course I love him because he's from Jersey, but oh man, I like Zach Wilde because of the way he makes that guitarist wheel. You always know it Zach Wilde. If I've never heard the track before and it starts out with a heavy guitar and I

hear that squeal, I'd say that's Zach. You see. That's the thing. Those false harmonics which were utilized by by hard rock people here and there, Zach made them into something else, and he grew from his time with Ozzie and all that into some thing completely different in over time. He's the only guitarist oss He ever had that could actually pull off Randy's RIfS too. That was the other thing. He got pretty close, man, he was just right there. He quiet there. But jak Lee is worth mint jake

Elee's worth mentioning. But when he tried to play Randy stuff, oh rough. I mean, if you, if you take a listen to you can find this online right now on YouTube. Ten different versions of it, The US Festival. The US Festival right where Ozzie comes out as a dressed as a like a like a kind of like a voodoo priest with a big old

crazy mask on, like he's in a Scooby Doo movie. It comes out dressed like that right at this thing they used to call the US or US festival, which was a big deal for a couple of years in the eighties, and jak Lee's the guitarist, and they opened with I Think over the Mountain. Yeah, you hear that, you hear the deficients and Jakie Lee versus Randy Rhodes right away. Well, Randy Rhodes was kind of a master that. Another thing that I thought was interesting about Randy Rhodes is he he

always took lessons and talk and talk guitar. So he was constantly taking lessons and teaching. Yes, so I mean he was just always getting better. Apparently he did that on the road, even when he was getting highly paid with with Ozzie's Band, or not highly paid, highly paid but paid well. Now here's an interesting thing I learned about a much different kind of guitarist. It's not even in the same class with Randy Rhodes, but the way

he learned guitar amazed me. And hats off to you for it. Dave Grohl, Okay, the role learned guitar when he was touring playing drums and Nirvana. He was touring with Nirvana and playing drums, there was only one guitar there available to him to learn on. It was Kurt's guitar right. Kurt was left handed. My friend Dave girl was right handed. M hm. He learned to play guitar upside down, yes, indeed. And you know, hats off to you, man, that's amazing. What kind of

genius mind do you have to have to do that. What's funny is I'll tell you about a guy whose name you're never gonna hear. And I can't even remember his last name now unless somebody told it to me. But there was this guy I knew named Tyrone who looked like an overgrown Gary Coleman. I kid, you not uh like you know, he's this black kid that I knew in in Asbury Park. He was actually from Long Branch, New Jersey, and he played uh left handed, but he didn't have a left

handed guitar when he learned. So what did he do. He flipped over a right handed guitar and that's the way he played right, oh wow. And it just that's the way he was. And he played every kind of metal and rock possible, like within I don't know, less than a year he was doing that. And he was, you know, establishing bands and stuff like this, like at the age of sixteen. He just went, let me try and figure that out and did okay. And I watched this

kid. This kid was cool. He unfortunately passed away a few years ago. Otherwise I would love to see what he's doing now. He never got out of the local scene or anything, but I assure you had some talent. He could hold his own with guys that were playing for ten fifteen years, no problem. I mean the guys that we used to know that would you know, wind up in their garage or basement or whatever and be playing for ten years before they came out with a band. Right, this kind

of thing, Uh yeah. He did that in like less than a year and just did it. And I was like, wow. He was playing like all sorts of complicated death metal riffs, every kind of like I said, every kind of rock, every kind of hard rock, metal, whatever. He could play it, and he could mostly play it by year. Didn't know how to read a damn thing on music, and he's playing it with an upside down right handed guitar. Left handed were the weirdest thing I

ever saw. And he looked like, I swear to God, a giant Gary Coleman. He looked exactly like Gary Coleman like and even at one point had that box cut you know that that like later eighties, early nineties box cut black guys would have almost like Craig Robinson man something like that. And it was the wildest thing. I always thought Tyrone was going to be huge, and he didn't. He didn't get big. He played, you know, local clubs and was in a variety of bands and was incredibly talented.

Wound up doing studio work with some interesting guys in the hip hop community on the East Coast at a certain point. But I don't know enough about that history to give it to you. But he was. He was just a great guy and everything. And the sad part is, a couple of years ago, he was trying to get a hold of me, and by the time I got back to him, the away oh yeah, And I didn't know about it because it was like hidden in a weird spot on my Facebook

messages and I didn't know about it. And then I finally got back to him. I I sent messages to him, and then I heard from a mutual friend a few months later like, oh you know, I said, hey, I tried to message Tyrone. He was around, and he goes, well, he ain't gonna answer that. Oh it sounds like your dog. Yeah, yeah, there must be a raccoon on the porch again,

fair enough. But but but here's the thing about it. There there are a wild array of characters, some you'll never hear from, and you know, a lot of a lot of never never like like we always hear about has beens, But there's plenty of never wases that are hella interesting, that are really great people that you might only see in a couple of shows. Locally, I feel like that culture is almost gone too, you know where. Oh yeah, music's dead. I mean it sucks, it does it's

it's dead. It's everything's digital and there's there's nothing really vocal to speak of. There's there's no substance and lyrics. I mean, I love the days. We would actually convince a guy who owned a pizza's shop to let us take over the place for a little while, and we'd have to scoot all the tables and chairs out of the way and put on a little show in the back of a pizza joint, you know, for fifteen twenty people to come in, and as long as we promised the owner that they could sell

you know, fifteen pizzas that night. They would let us take over their back room. You know, I used to do stuff like that, and it was the greatest time. You saw some of the worst music ever and you saw some really cool people trying to create stuff. And some of them would go on to do serious things, and some of them never would. That would be the only gig they would ever play. But it was just so great. You had such a diversity there. But you had to go

there in person. Nowadays you just turn on YouTube. See see what somebody decided to upload, right, check out their instagram. I mean, I don't know. I feel like you don't have that experience where you can go and physically be there anymore. See, this could be another topic of discussion in the shows. I'm gonna do it with regular Joe. We could talk about music as it was and as it is. We could talk about our ratings and rankings. As you can see, we can go back and forth

about just well, who's our good guitarist or not? And this is the David Gilmour well and that was the thing you wanted to get to. And here's the thing again. Here we go with Chuck and his oppositional thinking. Not a big Pink Floyd fan over here. Okay, I am not happy with them. I gotta tell you. They put me to sleep most of the time. The only album of Theirs I like is always a surprise to

people. I like the Wall, I like you know that song. I like that one, okay, but I'm not a big fan of the whole like you know, Oh, mother, tell it to your therapist. I got no time for you. Okay. However, however, the Final with their early early stuff, like the album Metal, It's okay, it's okay, but look these things they don't fascinate. The only album the Pink Floyds that ever really fascinated me is the Final Cut. Now, I know that sounds weird, but that was the one right after the Wall. Yeah,

yeah, I think so. And it's the one, you know, like it was. I don't know I was able to take that one in personally. I don't have a mother complex. I don't need you know, I'm not, I really, I don't know. I didn't. I didn't get into I like the way the song flowed. You know, we don't need uh. I like that, but only because of the flow. I didn't

really care about the you know. I mean I remember there were kids like, you know, the the burnout kids in my eighth grade class thought that, you know, playing the wall was such a rebellious thing to do. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not really not really thrilled by this. Uh you know again, I've been a focused Black Sabbath guy like my whole life. But Hole in the Sky. Every time, every time somebody says black Sabbath, that's the first thing that comes to mind for me. This

Hole in the Sky that was on Sabotage. Yeah, that's and of course that is my favorite album, followed up very closely by thirteen believe it or not. I like that album that later one. It's it goes on a little long, but it contains all the elements that go along with Sabbath. But anyway, yeah, yeah, Hole in the Sky is uh, let's see. I think it is the first track after there's like some noise on there and then boom, yeah, you go into Hole in the Sky.

I think it's the first track on the original Sabotage set up. I think so too, And I've actually I'm about to start learning that songs. It's interesting you brought up an old musical friend. I ended up rebuilding a Fender Telecaster player plus Nashville with a guy I played guitar with for twenty years ago, Nice I was in a band with him and he was my guitar player. And I got together with him and we completely rebuilt Fender Telecaster and it's

fantastic right now. Hey, look those things when they're when they're done well. And I've seen these kits, and i've seen these you know, you can buy the parts and build them yourself. And I've seen all kinds of you know, refurbished this and that. Matter of fact, I got I have a guitar here that needs work and I can actually do it. I mean I've never done it before. And I had listened to you and the Greek talking about working on cars and pretty much it's simple technology, just jump

in and do it. Well, yeah, you know what it is. That's what inspired me to just go ahead and build that guitar, because when I found it, it was just it was stripped completely. There was nothing left except for the switch plate and the and the pots. Okay, the next the body that was it, and I bought all the parts. This is this guitar retails for like twelve hundred dollars, and I spent like five to rebuild it nice. I have one of the cheaper less pauls uh that

that needs to be rebuilt. It's it's fairly nice, but it doesn't I don't have the plate. Uh. And one of the machine heads is literally snapped right off, so you know gone. Uh. One of the excuse one of the tuning, you know, it's gone. It's snapped off. So I've got five of them that are intact, but they are definitely the cheaper ones. I don't know what the pickups are. It looks like somebody has screwed around with the pickups. At a certain point. I got it

used. It's it's in working condition, but it needs a bunch of things, UH need. It needs some love. And so that's what I have at the moment for a six drink. Uh. And I've got my acoustic base. I've shown you that before, I think, but I know how to play that pretty well. The sixth string I only ever screwed with in order to try and write things. But I never ever tried to be the guy who played because I didn't have the skill level. I was never confident

with it. I could play the bass a little bit, I could play the drums a little bit. The only thing I was really confident about is give me a microphone. Yeah that was me. That was me. I was always the singer. The guitar has only been like the last three three and a half years. Yeah, you've just sort of been teaching yourself. But it's it's definitely given you a different perspective on this stuff. And you know what, we could discuss the process of rebuilding that guitar. We could

talk about guitars, we could talk music. We could talk about other stuff too. You and I will occasionally converge on certain media. In fact, you know I mentioned f Is for Family earlier. I know you watched that a bit. Yeah, that was I watched it all. I've actually seen

the entire series two three times. Okay. See now I wasn't aware of that because the last time you and I spoke, I think it was still two seasons were left in it or so, because I think we left off around the time that the Vietnamese woman kills her husband somewhere and there, and that is it sounds dark and it well, it is dark, but it's hilarious. So I love that next scene with her when she's in prison and

they're doing the Scared Straight with the kids and the cops. Oh yeah, Then she tells that kid, you can help me re enact the last episode of COJ the strange mystery of the disappearing lollipop. When lollipop go, it goes in your ass, It goes in your ass. And she is the most frightening. There's all these big, tough convicts and there's this like ninety pound Vietnamese woman and everybody's freaked out by the Vietnamese woman. Oh you don't

want to play no problem. You end up like husband, I poisoned his soupy dead as kid. You could ask him, but he dead. And I'm like, wow, okay, yeah no, that that is a great scene. It definitely speaks to my level of humor. Bill Burr as funny as hell he is. He's uh, I think he's to me second funniest guy to Dave Chappelle out there right now at the moment. At the moment, I mean, but we could we could talk about some classic comedians.

We could talk about comedy in general. Apparently you will watch some cartoons on occasion, so we can talk about some of those. I've been watching Batman the animated series all day, really the old one or a new one. Yeah, the one that was like from the nineties, I think, oh nice, right, that was like the big controversial one where all of a sudden Batman is dark in the cartoons and I was like, that's not that

dark. It's a little it was. It was a W B Man, you know, Warner Brothers, who was on the daytime television after school cartoons. So I don't know what its controversial about it. No, Batman beyond there was some of the violence, okay, but some of the islands in it and everything was pushing the envelope for the nineties on TV, on broadcast TV for a cartoon. Yeah. But but outside of that, I always remembered it and went, I don't know, it just seems pretty tame to

me. I mean, it's not the killing joke, you know, and it's not a death in the family. No, not at all. Right, So, I mean, you know, anyway we could get into animated stuff, we could get into other media. Every once in a while, we might touch on some news. We'll probably try to stick with just pop culture. Nonsense, you know, just make a you know, nonsensical fun show. You know, you gotta unwind from what you cover all the time. Anyway, I could be your outlet for that. Well, see,

I'm starting to do that more and more best I can. I even with the Friday Night call and Show. I am so sick and tired of the same arguments. I am not doing it no more. Uh, And I'm just you know, coming on with different things. Sometimes we wind up doing naked news. That's another thing. It's just you know, what, what what criminal acts somebody tried to commit while naked has been an interesting theme for

the past I don't know, two years on the Friday Night Show. And that's the funny thing is, I think it's been about two years since you were a regular guest regular Joe. Uh yeah. That was back in the workforce and kind of be a sporadic scheduling when you're in retail. So what you had was just too hard to run me down, you know, Yeah, no, no problem, no issue, It's just that it was.

I liked bringing you in every once in a while, though, because I guaranteed myself to be able to decompress from whatever the hell was going on, you know, And you're another guy I wish could make it to Dallas, because I'm going to Dallas, Texas again this year, you know, and I'm going on a road trip with b Pete, which is gonna be fun.

We're gonna be there for the conference, and there's gonna be a celebration of the ten years of the o'celli effect, kind of as a sub event along with the JFK Lancer Conference. So we're gonna do that in Dallas. And I kind of wishing these hills. So that's the thing is, even if I could afford to bring you along, I probably couldn't get you to leave. So I'm still taking care of a squirrel man, you know. Oh that's right. And there's another thing we could talk about. You actually

brought a squirrel into your house. Yep. And I know Ed our listener, Ed would appreciate that. He loves to tell me about the squirrels in his area. He shows his pictures. Matter of fact, when I asked for pictures of people wearing the Ocelli hats a few years ago, he said to us one with a squirrel with the hat, you know, just saying he loves them. Squirrels. But you brought one into your home for a

bit, and he's still here. I'm looking at him right now. He hears me talking, so he came out of his hammock to see what I'm doing. Nice, he's still. I thought he was getting ready to leave. I thought it was like, yeah, I did too, But he became so baby fied that I felt like I would be doing him a disservice to turn him into the I have to rock this squirrel to sleep every night. I rocked him the sleep before the show. There's that toxic masculinity for

you. You. I'll rock a squirrel to sleep every night. That's full disclosure, Oh, chilly fans. I mean yeah, an Eastern gray, full grown male squirrel, and he comes to me every night at seven thirty and curls into my arm and I rock him to sleep. There you go, and look you haven't you? And you were on Twitter for a while. You actually left Twitter and stayed off of Twitter. It's now, you

know, Twitter or x or whatever they want to call it. Since he Alon lost guys it, I'm still on there, but but you're not. I went and looked for you. No, no, if I'm still not doing the social media thing. To hear what is on the very small community that I'm in, to hear what's on their minds at large is too much. And I'm a hermit. I almost never talked to people, so to see them what they think loosing out all over social media all the time, I don't need that. So for your own mental health, no, no,

go on that. And I appreciate it. Man, Uh you know, look, you do your thing your way, but I was looking for you on there, just to let you know because you have gone. You went on there, and then you went away and you didn't play with it for a bit. Then you went back and you said, you know what I'm getting off of this. And he actually stayed off, which is weird because most people threatened to get off on Twitter, and then they played a whole game of no, man, don't leave, stay on Twitter. I

want you to be here. I'm your buddy from Alaska or whatever the hell you know, And it drives you nuts and and and really it's just there to keep you in a constant state of you know, anxiety. That's the way. That's that's what I got from it too. And if you remember what my trigger was to leave Twitter. Is it gave me a notification you've been on Twitter for a year. I was like, oh, no, that's too long. Yeah, I didn't think I had to pull that kind

of time you did. You know, I've been there for many years, but only because I do the radio show and I'm resistant all the time. People get on this new social media, get more more of these things. I need, no, no enough or anything. We need to learn to interact with each other on a face to face basis again people, because this entire species has forgotten. And listen, I just said that sounded really hopeful. But here's the thing. You're not going to do it no matter.

That's the best part is listen. I could give you and I've said this before during radio interviews all the time, where they go, look, you're telling us about all the problems in the world. What's your solution? And I say to them, you know what, you want me to be blunt about this. If I gave you the secret to the universe right now, if I told you how to fix the entire world right now in less than

a paragraph, guess what Nobody would do it anyway. That's right. No though that you wouldn't do it. It's too hard, that'll never work. You know that you need to be pessimistic or lazy. So there you go. I mean, and that's really the only two gears. I mean, there are some of us. I mean, and I still am working at this with this idea that we can change things, and we could. It is theoretically possible. Well, at any moment we could reverse course on a

hundred different things on this planet. But as for whether it is possible, Look, it's possible, but is it probable? Can it be done? Yes? Will it be done? I am very doubtful. Now we're we're we're we're heading for the wall, and we're all pressed test dummies, you know. There you go, So regular Joe will be back with us more often. I'm gonna try and get you in like once a week if we can arrange it. How does that sound? Just sounds great to me,

man, I'm ready. There you go. The Ocelli effect is done for tonight. So remember this. No matter who you are, where you are, when you are, I am Ocelli. You are the effects. Good Night,