The Ochelli Effect 9-5-2023 Pearse Redmond

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who you are, where you are, when you are. I have an old friend with me tonight, as as I have a few times recently, and I think it's been about a month, but that's okay. We don't have a regular schedule with this guy anymore, but we used to have a couple of regular schedules with them, and in fact I might ask a question of them to get this whole conversation started before we get into the meat of

the discussion, as it were. And I hope you guys are ready for this one, because yeah, we're gonna wind up talking a little bit about

some of the stuff that might be tied to the Ukraine War. And I always get myself in trouble when I bring that up, especially because now there's even more talk about neo Nazis and who's who and everything else over there, and lots of people are repeating all sorts of Russian talking points out there and not really knowing what's going on, and others that just want to blindly support it because after all, Bidenomics is working for them. Right anyway, I

don't know who they are. I don't know who in America is doing well at the moment. I hope my friend Pierce Redmond Porkin's policy review. You

might have heard of that before. You should have. Anyway, I'm gonna take us all the way back to the beginning of when I actually met Pierce at some point during this conversation, and then we're gonna jump to today and talk about our friend, our friend, not our friend, not really our friend at all, this interesting character we've been confronted with the chef himself who was running the Wagoner group, because even though he's supposedly dead, there might

be more to it. Anyways, Pierce Redmond, First off, man, how you doing tonight? I'm doing I'm doing well, Chuck, excuse me a little tired, mainly because of the heat wave that I assume you're also experiencing. It was about ninety five ninety six degrees today, So if I sound a little I sent a little uh sort of sun kiss, that is why. But I do. I have a beer next to me, So hopefully we'll be able to talk about the Wagner group and whether or not for

Goosen is alive tucked away somewhere fair enough. Look, ninety five degrees in Georgia, Pierce, I hate to tell you, that's like a normal occurrence. It's like spring weather here, man, what's wrong with you? Ninety five? You're complaining about heat? And I know you know No, I've been confronted recently one hundred and fifteen degree heat indexes here in the one and it ain't a dry heat like in Arizona, where I think they had one

hundred and twenty five or some kind of record breaking nonsense recently. Gee, I wonder if things are getting hotter. They appear to be anyway, breaking records ever since they've been keeping those records. But I don't know if the climate is changing. But I do know the damn well the weather is. Yeah, I know, I feel like we've talked about it before, but it's like, yeah, whatever you believe, it's like you have to understand, like you can't sort of disbelieve that it is just getting way hotter,

that something is going on. There's something wrong, whether you know, without getting into the science of it. Yeah, it's disturbing. It also just sucks. Like even if you are you know, just hardcore, you know, right wing, I'm gonna drive a giant SUV. I don't care, nothing matters. Your summer is sort of screwed by the cheat, but there's something there's something fun to do anymore. Yeah, all you have to and also your electric bill. It's just I don't know. I it's like just

like those sort of like the kind of like basic level. I just don't know why anyone would would be like, I'm not gonna do anything about this. Even if you're old enough and white enough to remember fond this is not fun to do. Okays, just say that was a thing in the Northeast. I don't know if that was everywhere, but there was like literally fond due that used to be a thing. I always think of that, especially because of that South Park episode with the cat urine where they go. They

call it cheesing because it's fun to do. I was like, wow, that's hilarious, and it sounds like every other drug craze they bring out that usually doesn't turn into a drug craze. You ever notice they roll out drug crazes and it's never the big headline ones they tell you and your kids are doing this. They might be for a minute, but it goes away pretty quick. The thing that actually poisons the entirety of the society is usually not

spoken about on TV. Oh, actually it is, but it's actually advertised to you directly because it's legal, you know, like we have the newest pain killer. Yes we do. Uh. And they did just you know, drink more bud light or that or you know what. Now we're putting drugs in your drinks of some kind, whether it comes from a bull urine or whatever. That was another weird thing. What is that tetrazine or uh

something. It was in the energy drinks for a bit and they were like, I don't know it comes from or something whatever it was, Hey, look drink this. Uh. Anyway, we've gotten strange real quick. I want to go into a little personal thing about you and me real fast, because I was thinking about this the other day because somebody was telling me what a terrible human being I am after I produced their show for a little while, and I just I thought back to who didn't leave the network like pissed

off at me? And you did. You left the network, and you were not angry at me, as I remember. You just decided, look, I don't have time to dedicate myself to the once a week show,

so I'm not going to do it anymore. But you came on here after you had a show with American Freedom Radio, and you had been doing a podcast previous to any of that, but you stopped doing your live shows on a regular schedule, and nowadays I don't think you actually are putting out regular porkins policy podcasts either, right, because life has sort of gotten in the

way. Am I correct about that? That is correct? Yeah? This is This is the normal podcast is the infrequent conversations that we have right now. Like basically, you don't even do yours anymore, but once in a while you show up with me and we have a little chat. And that's where you stand. Because your your life has taken different directions. You're a little younger than me, and you just got married recently. I mean as recently as within a few months, right December second, So we're kind of

coming up on the anniversary. Yeah, we'll get there. After I go to Dallas. You'll be having your one year anniversary. But anyway, this thing is all of this coming up. I was just thinking to myself, you had left the network and you didn't. It wasn't because I was a big jerk or anything. It was just that you had other things to do.

And uh and and previous to that, I had actually a sort of gotten you started over at Afar when pretty much Danny Romero was grabbing anybody who had been a guest on my show that sounded like they could talk, and seeing if they wanted a podcast, which was an interesting thing that went on over there. Some people were doing podcasts, some people were not. And then he was like, hey, you want to do live radio, and

he did that to everybody. Ed Opperman got on over there, You got on over there, a whole bunch of different people that had been guests on my show, Terry Joyce, whatever, Right, Okay, So I was thinking about that and thinking to myself, you know, if Pierce ever one an event about how hard it is for me to work with me. I figured i'd let you right now, So tell people the terrible things about me. Go ahead. Oh I don't, I don't know. It's just it's

just a setup. Or say to somebody say something. No, it's not a setup for you. It's a set. But but here's the thing. It's a setup because I just I wanted to give you a free reign. If you wanted to say anything negative about me, go ahead, I can take it. You're my friend. Oh no, no, I mean, I would say. I mean, I wouldn't. Really, I had no negative experiences, even Afar, which was a little wacky at times, I wouldn't even you know, that wasn't even a bad experience. It was right.

See. The whole thing is you and I met because and this I don't want I don't want to hit any sore nerves here. But you were working with a lady that was trying to build a media organization. Uh, if you want to mention her, I don't know, that's up to you. Sabell Edmunds. I didn't hit everybody knows, Okay, no problem, Sabell Edmunds. And you know Sabelle was trying to recruit me at one point to do some stuff, and I don't know, at some point drastically changed

her mind and hid decided not to. But she had made a couple of appearances, and she brought you along onto my show one day because you were part of her putting together what was that thing called news news Bud news Bud, that's it news But you know, yeah, at the time, we were all working for Boiling France Post, right, which was her first website, right, And that was like you and Corbett and her and just a bunch of people that I would talk to on a regular but you got introduced

to me that way. And I had never you know, no offense to you, but I had never heard of Porkins. I'd never heard of your podcast or anything. It was sort of like, well, Samelle's bringing this person with her. I was okay, fine, uh, And you and I just kind of formed this this odd friendship at a distance, which is really funny because I was living in North Carolina at that time and you're you're still in New York. And I was like, oh, guy from New

York. Cool. Uh, And it turned out that you were, you know, really more from Brooklyn, and I had lived in Manhattan, and I had lived in Jersey and stuff like that. So I mean I lived in places that you like to go visit on vacation. It was just there were and that's funny. Yeah, you go every once in a while to

a little place called Bradley Beach. Don't anybody stalk him down there? Ye, But you go to Bradley Beach, which is right next to what I consider my hometown, a place called Neptune, right which is in the Asbury I always mentioned Asbury Park, but really my hometown area was like Neptune, Neptune City, Asbury Park. It was like that whole area which is connected to Bradley Beaches right there. Uh it's it's just a chunk of the Jersey

shore. Anyways, I just found it interesting. I was thinking you and I had formed this friendship. And I don't think you and I have ever had like a fight of falling out. Each of us has been through different issues in our personal lives. I've moved around you. You went from I mean, I think you piece did you did you have in your life when you met me? Or did she come a little later or I don't remember. I think I think that Mede was after because but we met in like

twenty fifteen. Yea, it would have been after that, right, Okay, So I mean like, but but you and I have been through different things personally, and somehow I've always maintained a friendship and have never gotten even if some of the people we were working with or whatever went in their different

directions or had different ideas about each of us. Right, there were there were some people that for a little while, uh, we're kind of turned on you in this weird sort of way because I forget what it was you were chilling for something they were saying. I don't even remember the idiocy of it, and I'm going, well, look he's my friend. I know

who he is, and I don't really give a friend. But no, it was there was some weird thing with news Bud, But there was also just this weird thing that went on in the ault media world with you, where I guess you had sided you know, I learned the hard way right after that, how that works when you take the wrong side of an issue and then people turn on you and start calling you a fed and everything else.

But because remember I came out of that patriot radio kind of thing for a minute there, and they all decided that I was, you know, an anti American, non patriot commy or whatever. But for a little while, you know, I mean, I had live reports from the Bundy Ranch and everything. I mean I was. I was definitely in that mix and you were coming from a different mix. But at a certain point, your your alleged colleagues do turn on you for one reason or another. Sometimes it's

personal, sometimes it's just you took the wrong side of an issue. And I remember you took the wrong side of an issue that I don't remember what issue it was, but you took some side that was just like, oh, you're not really alternative media, now, are you. And I just remember casting it off and just going, yeah, but I know this guy, I know he's not you're saying, you know, he's some kind of

plant. Oh you know, And I'm sure you've heard about me over the years, even when we went over the Wiki Spooks article, which, by the way, Wiki Spooks, I'm still pissed off at you. You have me reference there. I'm just a reference on Pierce's uh well, I don't even know who wrote the I mean, actually I do know one of the people, this lunatic. Sorry to throw this guy into the bus. I doubt he's listening right now, who was like editing that page of mine and

I had asked him multiple times to take things down. He got information wrong. He I mean, I feel like, if I go to it now, it's still sort of like super incorrect about you know, people, people I've have had on the show, people I'm associated with. But yeah, that's all just some random guy. Yeah, it's so funny because I'm on

that list operamans on that list, I think, you know. But but they got my stuff, they have me there and I'm like a clickable link and it goes nowhere and they don't give me an entry, and I'm like, screw you guys at LEAs gonna be a crap entry. You know. Anyways, all right, But I'm just saying, it's so funny the way the world turns, and some people are your friends and some people are not. It's just that simple. I mean, it's just and you will learn

the hard way if you don't want to learn an easy way. Eventually,

that's how it works. Anyways. Look, this is not the point of tonight's discussion, but I did want to spring it on you because this recent thing happened where again, you know, somebody who was claiming to be my friend kind of went on a Twitter a fit about me in a weird way, and I kept saying, well, why don't you tell people what it is I actually did to you that was so awful, And they really don't have anything to say, because I don't give people a hard time when I'm

trying to work with them. I just don't. But anyways, I just wanted to point that out because I thought it was funny. I thought back to you, and I'm going, there's a guy who's been around me for you know, like here think seven eight, nine years, you know,

and I've only been doing this for about ten. So this is a guy who came around me like early on by happenstance because he just you know, again, no offense, but you were just sort of the the attachment to Sabel Edmonds one day, yeah, and you and I became friends and there hasn't been a problem ever since. And at a certain point we were on

the same network and then and then I was producing you briefly. Uh, Aaron Franz, did your your artwork for your your little show template, which was really helpful, you know, based on what you wanted him to do. And Aaron has done a lot of the little show template or artwork pieces, not mine, but like pretty much everybody else's has been on the network. Unless it's a really crappy, blocky looking thing, then probably I did it. But other than that, and I did Pierce's original piece too,

and then he got a better one from Aaron. So remember that I had one that was like gray and red and oh yeah, and I was like just trying to you know, put your and I always loved the little piece of artwork that is still your icon on Skype, your little like po Yeah, that's one Drew which is the original logo. I love that, and I wanted to incorporate that and use that, and of course that's still like

your thing and and I and I love it. But but the thing is that I was just thinking back, like, you know, there's a guy who like you know, came and was here for a while and left and doesn't hate my gods, which is nice anyways, well you know what, I to that end, I feel like that's that's uh. As someone who has sort of like left the you know, for lack of a better word,

like cult of alternative media. It's very easy to like fall. I feel like, looking on it now as sort of an outsider, it you you really start to see like how stark everything is and how stark your own thinking is, and and uh, you know you you I don't know, I mean not so much now, but you know, back when, I think, you know, both of us were more sort of like involved in that world, and you know, and it's like, oh, we're you

know, we're awake. You know, it's like all of this. You know, Now, I guess like woke has sort of taken on a different we wos a different thing now, right, yeah, yeah, but but you know, but that was but that was a thing. Are you awake? Is he awake? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? And and there were there was a yeah before woke meant whatever it means now it that's like sensibly what it was just another way of saying awake, you know, and and uh, but I think, yeah, you're oh yeah, are you awake?

Are you you know, are you're part of the sheeple? But yeah, you're you know what it is. It's the same mechanism, but hang on, it's the same mechanism, okay, but it's through a different worldview. It means are you aware of the real problems or not? I mean that's ultimately what the universal definition is there. Whether you're woke, you're awake, you're enlightened. Uh, you you've been. There was the whole thing about have you been uh you know, given the knowledge all of this stuff,

have you been initiated? I mean they were using stuff that you know, was like very much borrowed from the Freemasons and all that at a certain point, and then we got more more terms as time went on. Now we're dealing with the NPCs and all this. I'm okay, but see I was unceremoniously invited out. You just sort of walked away from different people and then suddenly found yourself on the outside, but you willfully walked away. I

was kind of trying to stay in there. I'm really glad I didn't remain in that stark reality, and I was like, you know what, I would a whole lot happier and more comfortable just going, oh, I don't

have to care whether I insulted this sacred cow. That was another thing too, is there were certain sacred cows, you know, not not just comparing Sabel Edmunds to a cow because she's female or anything, but she was like a sacred cow in the all media, and so so ish and Jordan Maxwell, who I have a lot of respect had a lot of respect for he's passed away, but he was a sacred cow. And David Ike was a sacred cow amongst certain people, and even God help us all, Alex Jones

was a sacred count. Oh yeah, completely, I mean so yeah, but there were people like this and and this is and this is the thing that I'm so glad I'm invited out of. Is that that cult like mentality where there are some segments of this it's like, oh, no, be yourself, but don't do that. You know, you can't. You can't

question Alex Jones, what's wrong with you? You know. It's like I found that it was and I've noticed this like recently, like uh, certainly with like the Twitter, Like I'm just I have like almost no patience for it. And if you go to my Twitter feed, it's like nothing. And then I'll occasionally post when I'm coming on to do your show, but you know, it's like it's also like you can't you they're the secret counts,

right, you can't go against them. But at the same time, it's like you have to basically accept everything as ludac Christ as it is. You can't ever be And I find myself now completely out of that. I'm sometimes I look at something and I'm like, is there a conspiracy here, you know? Or is this just like this is just how it is,

or or it is exactly what it looks like. I mean, point in case we were you know, we're gonna touch on you have getting prosen oh you know, the Russian boss of the Wagner group, and and there are certainly you know, you were sending me some articles about these uh you know, people believing that he's still alive. This is all you know, it's you. You can't ever I found more and more that like you could not look at reality right, and if you accepted it, you were somehow like

you know, you had taken the blue pill. You were part of the matrix. You know, all of those all the stupid buzzwords and imagery and you know and pejoratives that I have taken on you know this other meaning you're completely part of that world. Then again to accept reality, you know, like as if that's somehow, no, that can't be the truth. There's gonna be more to it. And then I don't know, this is maybe getting out there, but I've been fascinated by these uh you know, the

the UFOs stuff that's been in the news lately. I don't know how much you've paid attention to it or anything, but you know, I have. You know what, Let let me let me tie this back a little bit, because the reason why I brought up all that other stuff, everybody thinks it's probably some loose thing because I just have this personal need to bring it

up. No, no, no, I was going to bring it back around to this, the issue even of discussing, okay, Russia and Ukraine and what's happening in Vladimir Putin. This is a seriously divisive issue that, of course, is a bullet you've dodged entirely because you haven't been associated with anybody in alt media lately. And I'm not part of that anymore. I mean, I still have a couple of loose associations with a couple of people

in the old alt media world, but very few. And here's the bottom line, do you know how divisive this has become in the indie media world at this point in time? I mean, are you aware of it? Well, my impression and again this is someone that has like completely sort of

separated himself from it. But my impression is that you know, when when I first started out, well, first of when I started out, and certainly you and if you look at other people like Aaron, James Corbett, you know you could we all did it basically just like on our own right, there was no you know, like I for me personally, I listened to an episode that James did on how to make a podcast, and then I went out and I bought I'm using the exact same microphone that he recommended

all those years ago, and you know, and I and I made it, and I made an episode and I actually emailed it two James and then he, uh, we became friends and he started including all my podcasts and his old subscriber newsletter and and that's how I met a lot of other people that, like, you know, Aaron and you know, other Germa Jimenez, who I used to do a lot of work with, and so you know, I met all these people, you know, and that's how you did it, right, But when this was going on, was that like

two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine and there, Yeah, this would have been well, this would have been when the Boston bombing happened. That was the very first episode I ever did, Okay, so yeah, so it was a little bit later than yeah, yeah, but yeah, well you know when when you know, because that's why it's me and a microphone, right, yeah, that's right when I got rolling exactly then,

so you and I actually rolled at about the same time. But again, there was no way of us like coming together because everybody was very disconnected. There really weren't communities, which was odd. All there was was some groups of listeners that might have met each other in a chat room or something like. You know, if you were a listener to Jack Bloods, you might have heard him depending on which network he hoped to because they had chat rooms.

And that was it, like like you would run into somebody there, you get to know him there a little bit, and then somebody might say, well, I've got a podcast too, you know, or I've got a YouTube channel or whatever, and this was it. This was the way. Now, James was very much liked I y do it yourself be the media. Him and Clyde and even Jack at that time, we're pretty much

the three voices. And I was privately emailing these guys, pretty much yelling at them about their JFK stuff, and they just simultaneously all kind of said back to me, Look, why don't you just make your own and then you can do this your way? And you know, like, how about you shut up and do it yourself? Kid? You know, whether I was older than them or younger than them, it didn't really matter. And

I am a little bit older than you. But you and I rolled at about the same time in twenty thirteen then, which is interesting again because I mean James was so far back that he was taking like documentaries and playing the audio of a documentary on his show and then commenting on it. That was one of his designs, remember that. I think it was like Sundays he did that and it was really cool, and I'm sure it's still all there

if you go to Corbett Report dot com. Shot don't have to James Corbett still, you know, because even though he may be on a different side of an issue or two or whatever, I can't argue with the voluminous and really intensely good work he's done on so many different issues. But what's weird here is that we've now entered another time, you know, sort of like back in about seven years ago, six seven years ago, you were either on the Trump train or you weren't okay, and that that was an odd

divide and you were there for that. I'm telling you this Russian thing is deep, just like it and why because when we were coming into this community, if you notice, there was this infiltration and this pr campaign to make Russia today, which, by the way, if you guys hear like weird like block party noise, I can't help it. I got neighbors that are super super freaking loud, and I don't have enough installation to block out their their their craps. So hopefully you guys can't hear that, but if you

do, sorry, it's just very loud at the moment. Anyway. Yeah, So what I'm trying to say is though that there was this divide about you know, either you're with Trump or you're against Trump, because he's the outsider coming in, you know, when he was running okay Russia. Now based on the campaign seven eight years ago, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,

twenty sixteen. During that time, there were a lot of all media people I'm holding up air quotes, guys, all media people that were going to RT and going that's where real information is coming from and why because it was being sold to us that way, And you and I both personally worked with the new people and new people that were related to people bull of course, I'm specifically calling you out there because you've been friends with Robbie Martin quite a

while, and Abby Martin of course kind of made you made made viral video out of her interaction with certain agencies. Okay, I'm not going to get deep into that story because I don't want to derail too much where where we're going to go in the meat of the discussion once again. But it's interesting because at that time I was noting to you, even privately, that look, man, this is very weird. Okay, this is Russian government media.

It's run and yes they're letting some of US Americans say some things on there and their English services, but quite frankly, this is a Russian government media outlet. Why is it that nobody is making that calculus ensure They're allowing the convenient parts of the truth to come out that serve their geopolitical interests as far as spheres of influence go throughout the world, to be served in English

by guess what, people that are already oriented to being American dissonance. Why get Russian people and try and prop them up and teach them to speak English. When you have a ready made set of individuals you can recruit for fairly cheap, okay or nothing sometimes to come on and be on these outlets. Now I'm not trying it. Now, I'm getting dangerously close to insulting maybe Pierce, because Pierce had made many appearances on stuff like Sputnik and things like

that. Yeah, I was on fault Lines numerous times, and and and those were probably back when oh god, what's his name? Lee Stranahan was still on and people Lee Stranahan was like one of the original guys that were for Breitbart, And he's kind of a nut, but I sort of like love I love his energy. I don't know what he's up there now, but I found LYE Camp really interesting. And it used to be on my show all the time Lee Camp, and it was like, Wow, he's

a famous big comedian. I'm like, he's not that big, but he is funny. I like him, and okay, he's on OURT whatever. I don't think Lee Camp thinks he knows exactly what purpose he's serving. And I even brought it up to him on this show. I think he got a little unhappy with me about it. But I was trying to say all along that this is a giant pr campaign and what was underneath it. Well, at the time Obama was in office, and I know you remember this

stuff. I'm gonna be ticking all kinds of memory boxes here for you, and trust me, guys, we are going to get back to the meat of the discussion. Okay, I'm just off roading for a minute here. The thing is that you know, Michelle Obama is a man. That video was out there Barack Obama instead of you. Before Q, we had the various conspiracy theories that would circulate among people like myself, like Pierce, like all of our little friendlies that we were starting to get to know, and

universally it would get delivered. Now, this stuff was not done through our t but it was being done online by allegedly independent operators who were showing us you know videos Michelle Obama as a man. How did they do it? They were doing measurements on her hands and showing pictures. Yeah, here's your ears, here's the dimensions of a man versus a woman. Oh, here's a dress. And oh, by the way, doesn't that look like, you know, a three piece set there and you know, coming sticking through

a dress, et cetera, et cetera. It's actually Michael Obama. Blah blah blah. Why because it was to you know, sort of in a way cast rate Barack Obama. Okay, it was in a way to emasculate him. It was in a way to make him lesser. Why because he was supposed to be the weak comy liberal, wishy washy. He's he's so weak and all that he's a woman. I mean, that's really what it

comes down to. And then what was going on simultaneously, peers, can you tell me on the other side of things, on the above boards and in the silent propaganda world? What was going on? And by silent propaganda, I mean these people that do all of a sudden have lots of money and time and resources all of a sudden out of nowhere to be able to go ahead and make lots of films and things like this and produce stuff that

like I never have the money to make because I don't make money. You know, people that have support and access to all kinds of people, why do they have that so they can go and talk about what a manly man and a great and strong leader Vladimir Putin is. And they were doing this back then, and it led to people with independent shows. Some of them, you know, might have gotten ten listeners, some of them might have

gotten ten thousand listeners. But all the way from the popular to the guy doing it in his basement who probably his mom was listening to it and he was trying to get girls he meant to listen to it. Kind of podcasters out there, we're all saying things like, gee, I almost wish Vladimir Putin was like the leader of the United States, because at least we'd have a real man in charge. Well, they tried to do this with Donald Trump too, which is one of the biggest sissies on the planet. But

he's he's you know, he's got big hands, you know. And you said, I mean, I don't know if you saw this, Like I can't remember what the sort of like Toady that is sort of like essentially replaced Hannity and Tucker Carlson on Fox News at the moment. You know, he's he's on air live like how you know, it's like you can imagine him almost like having an erection talking about how sexy Donald Trump looks in his mug shot. And I'm a man, but that's a that's a damn fine looking

picture of him. It's it's it's like the level two winch. And you know, it took as you were talking about all this with the you know, the rush of stuff and the Obama and you know, going after Michelle Obama, which is for no other reason than she's a black woman. But that is, oh no, I have to emasculate Barack Obama. It's not just because she's a black wall yeah, or exactly to emasculate a guy who is like who I'm sorry, is objectively a handsome looking person and certainly is

in shape. Is you know, it's like the opposite of any of these

other politicians that we have there. But what I found I found really interesting and I was gonna say, is like, you know, when we first got into this, the sort of the creeping weird like Russian and it wasn't just Russia, but it was me, you know, because there's also like press TV for a while, the Iranian State Broadcaster, which is even kind of wackier at times in terms of like the kind of conspiracy a media stuff that they would they would put on their shows, but you know, that

was sort of in the background, and now it seems to have just kind of like it's almost like flooded into such a degree that I don't even know if they are like funding all of these people now. But what I've found interesting is it's so it's sort of like they kind of flooded the market with it, or they absorbed all these other people, like come work for Sputnik,

Come work for RT you know whatever. Come here's a million dollars, start some media company that's gonna fail, but whatever, you can pull in all these other people and you know, uh, spread whatever right wing talking points and you know whatever. But now I don't know if you saw this, but like full full circle, Tucker Carlson, who does he have on

X his Twitter show? I don't know anyone watches that guy Larry Sinclair, who we is this guy who like, way back in the day, claimed that he like smoked crack with Obama and had sex with him and performed oral sex on him. This is who like Chucker Carlson has on like this is his big guest. He's like, you know, and and so he's got Larry Sinclair right on one side, which is like, talk about irrelevant after

that happened. But it's rum bud that listen. That X thing is doing well for Tucker Carlson, though he's probably got better reach on X than he had on Fox. You know that right way. I mean, I feel like he s demographics. Look, look, Pierce, I'm sorry to cut you off, but I'm gonna bring us back to the back to the core of this real quick. But before I do, it's actually a huge upgrade for Tucker Carlson. I accepted probably the paycheck. The paycheck was better through

Rupert Murdoch. Okay, but here's the thing, He's got a better reach and his demographics. It's not a bunch of old people watching Fox News anymore. Okay. It's not just those people that are so dedicated to the right

wing talking points that they're paying for Fox Nation. Oh no, this is now open, and I guarantee you the demographic shift that has gone on there is a huge improvement for Tucker Carlson, who probably and not probably I know has enough money doesn't actually need the paycheck because he's a part of the Swanson TV Dinners inheritance I think, or whatever it was, some company like that. I forget somebody looking up. But the point is he's got money built

in. He made plenty of money as a star on the Fox Network for a long time before they dismissed him. And here's the thing. Eventually he's gonna be able to cash in big on this. There is gonna be a big back end cash in for him, Okay, and he's absolutely being supported by Elon Musk, who is also Yeah, I mean Elon Musk has made an extra fortune outside of his family's pre existing family fortune, which you know as self made man. Yeah, I'm sure all of us have plenty of

gems in our closets. We can go cash in to be able to start up and get enough money to go buy into PayPal. Yeah, of course we can all do that anyway. You know, I can sit down with Peter Teel anytime I want. All I gotta do is cash out anyhow. The thing is he's in a perfect and privileged position. He's gonna do just fine. And it's wild to see that he's got everybody from Donald Trump to that guy well and just quickly because it just made me think of that the

going after Obama. It's like Tucker Carlson is still following that script. You know, It's like, oh, Obama's is gay and he smoked crap. I mean, he's hasn't even been in office and how long. This is so irrelevant. But the other, the other big uh guess I saw that he had on is the the Prime Minister of Hungary, Victor Orbon right,

it's very close with Russia. And and how does Sucker Carlson, you know, he what is how was he he's talking about with Victor orbon It's it's the threat of the US in the Ukraine now, which again yeah, sure fine, like yes we are there, we are certainly if I was Victor Orbanner, if I was Russia, I would feel that's a threat. But it's it's fascinating to me that that's the I mean, it feels like it's it's happening all over again, Like what you were describing happening to us all

those years back. It's like it's happening again, only now it's like it's Tucker on X. You know, it's like this is the and I mean, I know that we've we've talked about this before this, this notion of Tucker Carlson sort of you know, reinventing himself as some sort of like all media personality and he kind of dips into you know, different. I mean,

it's a beautiful thing. He did it even before his departure from Fox and was starting to hint at it where a whole bunch of these allegedly all media people were starting to go, hey, Tucker Crosson just admitted that the CIA was behind JFK's assassination. I mean, people brought that to me, you know, seconds after it aired. Yeah, you know, and Tucker Crosson talked about the aliens nobody else is talking about, but oh my god, and I went, yeah, of course, you know what he's doing.

He's preparing. He's preparing for a shift here guys, watch asn't And you know, you and I talked about this and he made that transition. Now, by the way, Pierce, I don't know if you're aware of this, but I mean you could right now if you felt, I could go to your Twitter app and set up a Twitter space and create something that's like a live broadcast podcast and then all you got to do is figure out how to record it. I don't know that end of it, but you

can do it with Twitter spaces. Now, Musk, the only thing he's done positive for the platform is made a whole bunch of tools available. Uh, you know that that could have been available. And believe it or not, X is going to become something a lot larger here in the very near future. We already know. It's a large media platform that people get to interact on. It's one of the more popular social media blah blah blah blah

blah. But I'm telling you right now that not only is he starting to make more money off of it, which he lost a bunch to begin with, because that's what Musk is best at, is losing lots of money. I mean, all he's now got to do is figure out how he can get the government to subsidize it and he'll have himself another tesla that he can pump and dump stock for. But anyway, okay, because you know that's all that is. That's you know, your your tax dollars people, all

those wonderful government repays. And trust me, he was getting uh whatever you call those relief checks for a long long time. You want to talk about the true welfare queen, there is a corporate government welfare queen that is living off of it, and supposedly everybody takes him as the most independent you know Maverick businessman. Ever, I don't give a crap. Uh, look at the reality of the situation. You know, the guy says, I'm a self bi You always got to look at it and and start to look in

the opposite direct. He is he is now. I mean, it makes you wonder. I know, I was just talking about like oceans, he conspiracies everywhere, But it makes you wonder, is he just the new sort of cipher for whatever Russian or or or or you know, it's like he is now It's like, okay, you used to be Russia, right, yea. That was like where he had to draw the line. Now it's it's Elon Musk. Are you with Elon Musk? Are you against him? Well? Do you think he's gonna defeat you know, the liberals and free

up the internet. Well, he is the free speech, don't you know that? He is for speech. Yeah, he's for free speech so much that a whole bunch of people who got themselves banned under the old regime have still not been restored. The majority of them have not been restored. But also, come on, this guy's for free speech. He's for free speech when it's convenient for him. See, it's the same thing as getting that job at RT or getting that job at Sputnik, which a lot of people

did. And I don't blame a man earn your money if that's you know, if you can live with what it is you're being positioned to say, go right ahead. I mean, I you know, sort of like to loosely paraphrase a mob movie. Makes no difference to me how man earns a living. Okay, but I'm just saying I think I'm going a little Godfather Part one there. But look, the thing is this, you know, but the whole process is still the same. Now it's a different platform.

There's expansive stuff. Everybody and their mother's got a podcast anymore because they think they're interesting. Even if they're not. They have no delivery, no essence, and yeah, they can do it in fifteen minutes, and they bring on twenty other people to sit there and discuss things. I don't blame them because it seems to have been a successful pattern. But here's the funny part. To me, Russia is now a different issue. They keep switching it

around. It's a different issue. You do realize that because if you have to take a side on the conflict in Ukraine, and it must be definitive, because here's the thing. If you are on the side of Vladimir Putin's a good guy, he's doing the right thing. He's defending his people. If you're on that side, okay, you are against the other side,

which is well, Ukraine is being picked on by a larger nation. This is unfair and it's a fabricated reason for this conflict, etc. Nobody cares about all the people that are getting killed in the crossfire, who never entered into this conversation. We're not neo Nazis, we're not Russian speakers. Although quite frankly, throughout Ukraine, the way that I've been informed, people spoke

Russian sometimes and some of them spoke Ukraine Ukrainian. It's not a relevant thing that there were just these Russian ethno Russian people that were being picked on and all that. And we were even misled about crimea way back when when that was annexed, and quite frankly, everybody sort of said, well, look,

those people want to kind of join Russia. Leave it alone. I feel as though I inaccurately reported that now, because that's not the way it actually looks on the ground, but the propaganda made it such, through urt, through everything else, that that was the alternative way to look at it.

Now. The typical you know, lamestream, the corporate American media was telling you, oh, this is absolutely terrible because what Russia is terrible pretty much, and they were leaning back into the old Cold War kind of idealism.

Look judged them just like you did the Soviet Union. There's still a boogeyman, matter of fact, instead of Lenin or you know, or Breznev, or of god, who was the other guy there, doesn't matter whoever the great leader was of the Communist Block, any of those guys who were leaders during the communist Soviet days. Just look at put in the same way. That's it. That is stupid and ignorant, but it is also stupid and ignorant to sit there and assume that Vladimir Putin's telling you the truth.

Look, I had to go in there and defend these people that are being attacked by Ukrainians who have Neo Nazis all over the place. There was this unit that's true, that did exist blah blah, but didn't run the government. No. Well see now we got another guy. You know, look at these people. They elected a guy who was just a reality TV idiot,

and the irony of that one. I mean, granted Trump never attempted to play a piano with his penis, but I think he wouldn't have been able to hit a note if he did, because those hands are small. Regardless of what people say anyways, the thing is that it's it's it's almost irrelevant. It is a clown show. But unfortunately the reality and the thing that I good by and allowed people to come on my network and talk about

and everything else when I'm in charge of the content. Now, not every show host I had agreed with this, but I was saying, why should people be getting killed? This place is not a big place. I don't think it has you know, eight thousand freaking chemical weapons labs. I don't think it has every neo Nazi on the planet going through it, although I am quite aware of the one place where they did used to use it.

As you know, one of the multiple rat lines that actually took care of some of the Nazis post World War two was right there, and it was under Soviet control at the time. Okay, it was in the land area that was Ukraine, and Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. But I don't judge in for any of that. I think they should be left alone and allowed to determine their own destinies. I mean, and I think it's

a horrible crime what Putin has done. Now, does that mean that I'm standing entirely on the same side as the MSMO was like, you know, just that's all it's about. No, this is a complex issue. But here's the thing. It's a dividing line me saying what I just said and showing any sympathy for the Ukrainian people. Okay, uh doesn't fall in line with people like God. I'm trying to think of this guy's name. He used to be a big name in the alt media of Jack Blood had him

on his show not long ago. Regarding this, and and I was producing Jack Show, and I was completely aggravated with it. But but the thing was, he was one of those very popular at one time on Info war situation guys, and quite frankly, had ended up getting himself busted soliciting, uh, you know, an FBI agent who was posing as an underage girl. I thought it was a man at first, but I got corrected on that it was a girl. But anyway, he got busted and sentenced.

His name is Scott something. Anyway, I think you know who I'm talking about. I'm trying to think. I'm not sure it's out of my head, but I'll look back on it i write it. But I'm just saying. The thing is that there are people out there that are trying to say, all right, that you know, pretty much what's going on over there is justified. Vladimir Putin is in the right, this kind of thing, okay about all of this, and that is a hugely popular thing in all

media. And in that way, they've hijacked even the anti war people and said, look, you're against war, you gotta be against you know, us sending money to Ukraine. But they're really only against us sending money to Ukraine, you can support the war on the Russian side, so it's not really an anti war thing. It's just don't support Ukraine. And indeed, it's perfectly timed. It makes the most sense because frankly, again, in times of economic trouble here, what is one of the first things most people

turn to as far as trying to cut it. Okay, and I'm speaking very bluntly about this today because I'm here with my friends, so I can and it makes it a whole lot easier. And even if I'm going to say something that he finds offensive or whatever, we're gonna deal with it. So anyways, all this is going on, that is a huge dividing line,

this Russian thing. Honestly, the people that call themselves you know, part of the and everybody rejects the term now and now it's even more popular to sort of bash Alex Jones than it ever was, and all that the sacred cows have definitely some of them sort of spoiled on the shelf. Okay, it's happened, but there's certain things that are a standard right now, and unless you're on the side of Ukraine, is the only bad actor here and they are meant to be opposed, and you kind of got to be

on the side of Russia. Telling you right now, I've lost money directly. I lost a good radio job with a network that was like, we're all about free speech. But they didn't appreciate me bringing on a guy in Ukraine in the early days of the conflict talking about the actual damage that's being done to civilians. They didn't want that because all they wanted was the side of the story that these neo Nazis are being opposed, and they're being opposed

by Vladimi. They're very positive spin there. And look, they were willing to pay me twelve hundred dollars a week, okay to host a radio show, but not if I was going to say stuff that went against that part of the agenda. I had to go now. They claimed that I was unprofessional and that my performance on radio was not you know, high quality good radio. So I wasn't a very good talk radio host, according to them,

that's the reason they stripped me away. And now even when their hosts have unknowingly attempted to book me as a guest, they are told, no, you cannot have this man on. You had a previous association with the network. We do not want to put him on air. I can't even be a guest on this radio station in Australia that again was willing to pay me at one point. I can't be a guest on any show over there, and they've sort of told other people not to have me on their platforms

and things too, which is real cute. They had lots of money, they built a physical place and all that stuff, and magically somebody's put a good amount of money into there and they're still getting people that I'm even friendly to to come on over there do shows. Some of them paid, some

of them as guests. Aaron Franz recently did an interview with one of their people over there, and I'm sure that he won't be invited back because he mentioned o'celli, he mentioned the network, he mentioned that he broadcasts from me. I'm pretty sure he just got himself added to the Australian Blacklist, Okay, but Aaron knew he was going to do that before he went over there,

and he's fine with it. He's happy. And isn't that interesting because Aaron's been with me now for well, geez, I'm thinking seven years. Yeah, uh, steadily the only guy who steadily remained Again. Pierce was here for a bit too. I think about a year were you on the

more I might be off. I don't know. I don't know anyway, Look, I'm gonna shut up now, but I just want you to recognize that this is a huge dividing line, very much like that whole Either you're with Trump because he's the outsider chance at a freedom based candidate, which you remember that was a straight faced argument in twenty still is for some people.

But in twenty fourteen and in twenty fifteen, well yeah, twenty fifteen legitimately, But in twenty fifteen and to sixteen, that was the freedom candidate. That was the guy who was interested in supporting and being on the side of liberty and free speech, and he was going to do everything from challenge vaccines to get the truth out about nine to eleven too. Oh, don't worry. The JFK documents are going to come out because Trump will be there and

he's going to take care of everything. Plus he's gonna get the Clinton's locked up. Remember, so well, this is a new dividing line. You have to be on the side of putin because Zewinsky's a New World Order puppet and he's getting money from the US and he's just a grifter and and that's all there is to it. There is no other dimension to it. So you got to take a side and Pierce, You're you're not even aware of

this right now, are you? No? I'm I mean, i'm I'm I am vaguely aware of Sorry, I mean, it will, It's it will. That's what it was. You know again, the just when you were talking there seeing how even if you do sort of remove yourself from it, right and you kind of were like, oh, I don't want to be you know, part of this. Nothing has really changed. It's just a reshuffling. So you know again, it's like it used to be kind of like r T right, that was like what everyone and sputting, That's

what everybody was like wanted to be on. Now it's sort of like they've diversified more, like you said him and they're funding all sorts of little outlets. But now it's sort of like it's it's X and it's Tucker and he's got all of these like talking points that you know, uh like written for like like he would fit in at sputneck right now talking about stuff the way he is. I mean, there's like the and and again that is going sort of like unnoticed, and just as you were talking there, I just

couldn't help. And I'm gonna try to kind of like shoehorn this in and and because I know I mentioned UFOs earlier, and and I'm sure some people in the audience their eyes are sort of like glazing over. But for me, that was this interesting moment where and I will relate this to what we

were talking about. But with that, it seems more and more now like there is this like concrete evidence that there is something now what they are who knows, right, But it does seem like there are more and more people saying like, no, there is something here, we just don't understand what it is. And all I saw in the alternative media on this was if you even entertain it, if you even think about it, if you talk about it, if you you know, mention anything related to this, you

are some sort of PSI up. You are. You are controlled opposition. This is all a ploy to distract us from you know, four hundred other things that are going on. You are a tool of the government of the state. You know, you are some sort of CIA puppet for even just

being like, oh this, this is sort of interesting. I wonder, you know, maybe there is something you know, just even thinking about it right yet at the same time, and that's that's the sort of thing where it's like you could literally see with your own eyes the reality of a UFO landing in your backyard, and you are now completely programmed to that's not happening.

That's not real. What is real is you know, Elon Musk is going to you know, a fight against you know, the powers that be while he is essentially running the war in U Crane through the use of Starlink satellites which he has launched into space on his own with you know, and it's completely sort of privatize the space industry, and is you know, America the Department of Defense is essentially a client of his when it comes to the war in Ukraine. And don't forget he gave it to the Ukrainians at first

for free kind of supporting them and then shut him off. Hold on a second, Pierce, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna get this all back on track and close it out with a hell of a fury on the Tuesday Night Ocelli Effect. We're gonna go slightly over the hour of Pierce can stick it out. Stick around you, guys, We'll be right back. Story the stock market, Wall Street, Window dot Com. Perhaps you're invested deeply, perhaps you're not in deep enough.

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I don't know if there's a Patreon still, but well, there is a Patreon still, but I don't know if you're actually giving people material there. I gotta say I'm happy to have you along, and in fact, if you ever want to investigate or expand into the Twitter spaces and try going the Tucker Carlson route, I'm here for you, brother. But anyway, you know, and you would be great competition for Tucker Carlson in my playlist, but I don't know how it would work out for you. It might be

interesting, though, because you don't have to schedule it nothing. You just kind of pop on there and say, hey, come on over and listen. And I might even turn on your microphone so you can talk, which

most people want to hear themselves talk more than anything. So and that is an interesting thing because, as I have noted recently, the majority of people, and I've had to learn this the hard way with all the hate mail I get, people want to hear their prescribed and prejudiced points of view projected back at them one way or another, whether it's in an audio podcast a television show. What they want is re affirmation. What they want is to

be acknowledged, to be affirmed again. I have to use that word, to be legitimized by having somebody tell them the opinion they already had in their mind, tell them the point of view they already had in their brain. And indeed, you brought up the Aliens just before we went to break. You brought up this whole thing, which has been fascinating to me. But of course I'm an idiot, because you know that's all just meant to be a distraction. It's just there to throw, you know, red meat to

the dumb dogs because they'll eat it up. And that's all it is, because it's not the real stuff. If you want the real stuff, we'll give you the real stuff. We know who it is. But it was fascinating to see somebody say during a congressional hearing that, hey, you know what, I'm not going to give you any prooper anything, but I know stuff, and there's alien bodies and there's alien technologies being reversed, engineered, etc. I don't think that's ever been said in public on Capitol Hill.

But then again, take a look at the source, sort of like the Tucker Carlson thing where he goes, hey, look, JFK was probably killed as a result of something having to do with the CIA. Good Night America. No proof, no backing it up, even though he had some cool guests on not too long before that, even one of them my friend and uh and and people that I'm not sure how I stand with them, but

I know them who are legitimate seekers of truth. On that case, he didn't give you anything to work with except his broad based statement, as silly as that is. I might have just lost Pierce on skype. Let's see if Pierce is back. Oh not sure. I will double check on that. And if I have to call Pierce back or maybe take another break, I'm gonna do it. But anyway, let's let's see what happens. Good God, Pierce, are you're back? No, you're not. I can't

hear you. If you can hear me, I can't hear you. Guys, I may take a quick break here us to uh yeah, I think I'm gonna take a quick break here, just to try and pull Pierce back onto the sky because that's just the way live radio goes. So stick around. I'll be right back. He was expressed by caller schools there anyone else who happens again on the air, It's gonna be dot com. Do not necessarily reply, he used at jelly dot com or Jelly and we are not

responsible. We're getting stupidity, which might be soothe. Thank you. So you got treated to a little little touch of this and that. Well, I took a break and re established communication with Porkins. Okay, so if you're familiar with Star Wars, I'm sure pretty sure Porkins is in formation with me once again. So We're going to continue on, as I said,

and I'm not going to torture you guys with the reintroduction here. But as I was saying the alien thing, I found it fascinating that people were saying these things on Capitol Hill, et cetera, et cetera. Sure, and I find it interesting the entire topic. Now, is it just a weapon of mass distraction at this point? Is it just, you know, a little more of the significant signifying of the method to keep you busy? Maybe? But is it the divisive issue? I didn't see it as a divisive

issue, the Russian thing. It is indeed a divisive issue. People have decided not to sponsor me, people have decided to turn against me. And even in one weird case, despite the fact that I had a couple of Ukrainian contacts, and I say had because one of them is I'm not sure where the young man who apparently gave away positions of Russian forces to Ukrainian forces, who was a guest on this show, was twenty years old. That

gentleman, I'm not sure where he is. Ruslyn. There was a guy named Ilia who was there, who was also contact of mine in Ukraine. He has died and was killed as a result of something going on, and I am unclear about how he was killed. His family has assured me that he is certainly dead and gone, but they're not willing to talk about anything

right now. And yet a third contact, a guy you guys heard from on this show a bunch of times who told you about the suffering and the misery of people on the ground, who is not technically a Ukrainian, not ethnically, but grew up there, didn't grow up there, excuse me, didn't grow up there, married a woman there, made his life there,

has had his home taken from several times by Russians acquiring his home. This guy who was on this show has now decided that I am not enough on the side of Ukraine, and I am a bad guy because I also allowed other hosts to be on my network who were clearly on the Putin side of

the agenda. And unfortunately, I mean I just I'm no longer going to take emails from him or anything, because even though when I thought him and his family were in trouble and needed a place to go, I told him that if he could find his way to the US, I would put him up in my own house. But I'm a bad guy. As per usual, say a little to the bad guy. But anyway, Emir, I'm

sorry you hate me. I don't hate you. I feel bad for what's going on for you over there, and I feel terrible about what's happening to a whole bunch of innocent Ukrainian people. Is everyone in Ukraine innocent? No? Is everyone in America innocent? No? And in fact, we got our own neo Nazi problems here, and who knows how much of that was later funded by people here, and who knows how much of that was being you know, picked up on and used by people here or from here allegedly.

Anyway, it's a complex issue, and there are many complex issues contained in there. But the fact that, Pierce, you're still with me. I haven't put you asleep yet, right, I'm here, Okay, So we're gonna go a few more minutes. I want to let you get to all of your thoughts on this, because we were talking Aliens, we were talking Russia. But isn't it interesting how you got to land on either the Trump train again or not? Excuse me, I brought that up again,

didn't I? You know you gotta be on que or not. Yes, recognize the pun. You gotta be big as Joe Biggs or not. Who just got convicted by the way, you know, they they're not really harping on the fact that he was part of the Info Wars team, but he was an independent broadcaster according to Wikipedia. Anyway, that and Tario also got sentenced. And isn't it interesting how eventually people that are used as informants get abandoned by those agencies that use them as in performance, you know, both

keepers, you know, stuff like that. Isn't it interesting that that all goes on? And I'm on the wrong side of that issue as well. I'm on the wrong side of a lot of stuff. So I'm gonna try not to take this personally. And I didn't hear any static about the alien thing, perhaps because I landed on the side that me avoids that static somehow, I don't know, Maybe because I guess I wasn't definitive about it.

I found it fascinating, I found it interesting. But I find this whole use of a war where people are going to get killed, where there's going to be many justifications, whether they are accurate or not, whether they are factual or not, whether Saddam was going for yellow cake uranium or not,

whether babies were actually thrown out of incubators or not. There's still gonna be war, and there's still a long term conflict that's gone on in a special military operation, according to the Russian government, according to Vladimir Putin, according

to his support is in the Russian Orthodox Church. This is the way it is, and you're supposed to come down on one side or another, right, Piers, Yeah, I mean apparently, I uh, you know, I I mean, maybe it was just who I particularly, you know, who the people I follow when I went on Twitter regarding the Aliens stuff.

But I certainly found and I think by and large, you know, we both I think, as we were saying earlier, you know, operated in all media environment where if you were into UFOs and you were in Aliens, you were kind of like, you know, okay, you you were you know, it was a different crowd. You know. It was certainly like that was more like you know, coast to coast late night. Uh this

that you know, that was very different. And now you know, I think we see it finally shifting into the mainstream, and it is crazy that we're having a congressional hearing where who and I will say that this guy, Girsh I think is his name, this whistleblower is talking about reverse engineering. I genuinely I watched all three hours of the congressional hearing. I tended to

believe that that guy was in fact some sort of plant. You know, he was saying everything that a lot of like you, you know you follow you, people want to cheer because that is what they believe. Well, since you, well, Pierce, let me ask you this this real quick, just for context. Since you follow more UAP and UFO people, I mean, you know, depending on what terminology, what the nomenclature is at

the moment, I'm not sure. But either way, since you follow more of those people, did they not get happy for like the instant that that started to happen. I mean, didn't they take that as a positive sign and then maybe go back and say whoa wait a minute, or was it immediately I know he's a plant? I mean, which way did that?

Oh? No? I think? Well, this is the thing. I mean, I'm wanting to ask you for yours your dolan for instance, if you think, yeah, this guy is telling the truth and there are other people like Leslie Keene, who is a she's a journalist who wrote a lot of these very you know, prominent articles in The New York Times which were cited in these congressional hearings. And she seems to be like an actual kind of like authority and is someone that's like the New York Times is publishing stories

she's writing about UFOs. She's not like someone that's like on like late night you know, AM radio. She seems to believe this guy so and I

don't know what that means yet. Now the other two individuals, Fraver, who's a naval commander and Ryan Graves, who I think was an Air Force pilot, they actually seem really credible and a lot of what they were saying is like is either based on like they were also two people that had actually seen UFOs, right, you know, Grush has never seen anything, and he admitted that, you know, but he's that has all the answers about

we're reverse engineering, maybe we're doing time travel, like you know, all this sort of out there stuff. But now all the same you know what again, what that's like kind of the complete kind of like encapsulation of all of this well, you to be aware. We'll hang on a secondcause you might not be aware that there are some legitimate efforts going on right now that parallel this, where there's academic research going on studying the reactions of the national

security state once again to these sorts of anomalies. Larry Hancock, who you know is a regular guy who's been around with me longer than you you know and a friend, is actually part of a coalition group of scholars going over this stuff all the way up to nineteen seventy five. They just submitted a report, They did a conference all that and talked about the way that, like say, our military and our intelligence groups are reacting to these things.

And he also did a book called UNIDENTI Find. But it's interesting to me that a lot of serious study was being brought together about the the brass tacks of this right around the time that this is happening. And of course there's more interest because of these, you know, random video drops that you and

I have seen all together over the years. So all of this is happening all at once, and it seems like the thing that I thought almost anybody was an avid listener coast to coast or a you know or whatever, any of those guys, like I'm thinking Clyde Lewis's listeners would be thrilled with this.

I'm thinking Coast to coast listeners got to be thrilled with this. The old art bell crowd that are some of them older than me by a shot, would all be thrilled like, oh my, we're actually getting progress here in disclosure. This is happening. There's serious studies. It's not just you know, the UFO convention. What do you what do you make of that? I think they are. I think they do believe that. I don't know that they would like necessarily like go so far as to say this is

like full on disclosure. But I mean, if you think about it, it's it's a long way. You're having a congressional hearing talking about this.

You have like even like people like you know, as varied politically as Matt gets and AOC agreeing on this, and you know, asking like actual hard hitting questions about this phenomenon, and yet as it's happening, right, and you've got two real people like if you physically, if you're looking at the video right, you had Graves on the left, favor on the right, and then in the middle is this guy who seems a little bit too good to be true. But again you have two real people who have actually seen

these things, who are credible. I mean, in the in this case of favor, I mean, no one in the military has said he's a kuk. They all believe him. They believe this naval commander is telling the truth that he saw UFOs from not from Earth. You know, there's no way these are from Earth, you know, and you know. But while that's happening, you also have this person in the middle who seems to be kind of spinning this crazy story. So again it's it is and this is

I think very much. This is something that Robbie Graham, who is a fantastic author who unfortunately I believe is no longer with us, but he wrote about this in a book called Solar Screen Saucers. But this is a sense of hyper reality. As it is happening. We are seeing this. This is real, right, yet at the exact simultaneous time it is unreal because you have this guy who seems again too good to be true, and I

just found it. It was. It's so fascinating. You you look at that right and again it becomes down this draw down, this line in the all media. If you believe any of this, you are you know,

you're a shill. You're you're working, you know, you're you You've fallen prey to dis info all this stuff while without having any or without having any like foresight to you know, the historical roots of this, of the conspiracy community which many of us claim allegiance to, would not exist without people back in the forties, late forties and fifties who were into ufology, right, you know, I mean that is the roots of all of this, is

before JFK, before any of these other uh you know topics that we all seem to glaumanto. It all it was together, you know, Yeah, it all came together at a crossroads. We like to call Bill Cooper, for God's sake, because he was into the UFO thing and also about patriotism and also about JFK. And so think about that. That's the first real concoction. That's the first cocktail, if you will, of it all together.

May Brussel and uh and and Bill Cooper from two opposite sides of the spectrum, which, by the way, as we're speaking, one of the popular Twitter spaces because I went over to look and repost your Twitter stuff, but I just happened to pop up because I'm keeping track of this now.

One of the most popular things is this debate on the Ukraine War, which is really interesting that that's happening like right now as we speak, and it's picking up steam and got hundreds of listeners over there, which is pretty interesting on a Twitter space. But anyway, I just wanted to point that out. I don't want you guys to tune out to it. I'm sure it'll be available somewhere because these people think they're more than fascinating. So does everybody

with a microphone anymore. And spoiler alert, not everybody knows how to operate a microphone all that well. Anyway, the thing is this is really interesting in that it's yet another dividing line. It's yet another one of these Look, you got to pick a side, you know, And I've tried to say that people are boiling this down to good and evil, which is the most dangerous thing because if you are on the side of buying into this, not only you know, are you either a willing or unwilling useful idiot,

but you're on the side of evil. And that's the most weird part of this. It used to be a debate and opinion. Here's some facts I have, here's some facts you have, and it was of interest, it was a point of interest, or it was not. Nowadays, though, it's become a defining characteristic of who you are, where you stand, and what you are about as a human being, which is really strange to me. And I get it. I get it, but I don't want to

get it. This is the way things are going. But what's fascinating here is believe it or not. It is the same type of reactionary thinking that is being utilized when it comes to discussing the war in Ukraine. Well, yeah, that's I mean, so you know, we're again we're we're saying, uh, you know, we are not believing what we are seeing. You could have a UFO landing in your backyard. This is all. This

is all a PSI op. Right, This is like the government is after me because I listened to Chuck Ocelly online, right, so you know, I'm part of the system now. And when it comes to the war and again, it's like as I was mentioning before the break, you know, Oh, Elon Musk, he's going to save us, all right, and and he's fighting, you know, the globalists while he is running the war in Ukraine. Every drone strike carried out by the United States government is coordinated

through his Starlink satellites. And in fact, sometimes when Elon Musk doesn't like a particular target which the Pentagon has to give him the information we want to bomb this place with a drone, he will shut off the Starlink satellites and then he'll turn them back on when he decided, Oh, you know, this is a target that I like, this is a private citizen conducting, you know, of foreign policy through the use of a private company, you know, with America as a sort of number two to this, right,

the Pentagon number two to this, So you know, so that that's you know, again, Elon Musk, He's going to save us all It is happening in real time, and we are not believing what we are seeing in the same way that he was we were mentioning before earlier. Oh Putin and you know and his cohorts they're fighting the Nazis. Well, you know who was the one of the major groups. I don't think anyone is denying this

that was fighting, uh you know in Ukraine is the Wagner Group. This is a group named after Richard Wagner's if you know, it's essentially the name Wagner comes from this guy, Dmitri Utkin, who was like the number two sort of guy at the Wagner Group and he was a co founder along with Purgozen. Well, his call sign when when he was in the gru allegedly was Wagner, not just because he loved Richard Wagner's music, but because Richard

Wagner was an anti Semite. This is a guy who you know, there are photos of him online where with Nazi tattoos, hes SS tattoos tattooed onto his like chest where the like lapels would have been in if he was wearing an SS at you know, uniform. He supposedly like would say hile to people, you know, he would you would address in a very mocked uh cap. So this and this guy is going to fight, he's fighting the Nazis. When you can see with your own eyes that he is in fact

a Nazi. This is the person that is, you know. So it's like I find all of these things to be like intimately really intimately related, and I don't think that it's it's and that's why I find so sort of I don't know, disappointing maybe with people in the alternative media is it's like, oh, the UFOs, No, that's that's all just a side show to you know, to cover us to the fact that you know, we're we're using Nazis in Ukraine and all, you know, and it's it's not.

It's all every you know, it's all the same thing we and and and and in fact, and I think that you would, you know, this used to be like more. I think I feel like you would used to hear this more in the idea maybe before you know, prior to the sort of infiltration of foreign uh you know, countries into it, where if you really just take a minute and you look, they're not hiding very much from us at all. You can clearly see exactly who is fighting in Ukraine

and Russia. They're both Nazis and they're both not Nazis. You know, you can see exactly what is happening. They are actually pretty upfront about all of this. You know, no one is like I don't believe that Pergosan or Ken, we're ever sort of hiding you know why it was named the Wagner Group. I don't think they were hiding their allegiances, you know, in the same way, uh that you know, again you can look at like the congressional inherents with the UFO stuff. I mean, they're not they're

not really hiding this from us. It's actually out in the open. See. That's the other thing. That's the other thing that's really blatantly interesting to me is that, you know, you talked about the use of of Musk turning things off and on. He also was offering the use of that so that, you know, civilians had internet use so they could make contact with

the outside world. He was allowing Ukraine to use some of his technology in these stations and all this other stuff to give them relief, right at a certain point. And he was doing it for free. Now. I know a lot of his you know, people that that that believe that he's such a great fighter for free speech and everything, would not be pleased that he was assisting Ukraine, understand, And that's the thing. Musk is not hiding this. He is not like there's no obstuscation going on here. He's very

upfront about exactly what he's doing. You know, he is running the drone war in Ukraine. I don't know quite for whom. I mean again you talk about free speech. He Taiwan at one point wanted to utilize star Link, but the Taiwanese government became extremely nervous about switching over their internet service to Starlink because elon Musk again, the you know, he's fighting you know,

all the globalists in the New World Order. He is so close with China that Taiwan was terrified that if they made a deal with this and suddenly China you know, put you know, and Musk wants to build more you know, batteries in China and mine you know, lithium from Afghanistan and other places. Well, China would say, well, you know what, maybe you should shut off star Link in Taiwan, and Musk would just do it because it's all you know, again, this is all up front, there's nothing,

she's not hiding anything. All this is like right there. For yet so many people seem to have been I don't know, indoctrinated into not seeing reality or to see what is real, and to come with the complete opposite, you know, there are no aliens as the UFOs are landing in your backyard. Prutent is fighting the Nazis while he is employing literal neo Nazis and employing a group named after Uh, you know who chose their name not just

because of his music, but because that Richard Wagner was anti Semitic. Uh. It's right there in front of us. Uh. And in the same thing, you know, I mean I found that, you know, to link it back to you know, Tucker Carlson and his show as well. You know, he in the Trump interview, he go Tucker goes on and on about like, well, what about Bill barr On and Epstein? You know what I mean, do you really think Epstein? You know, I

think there's something there. I don't think he I don't think he killed himself. He's talking to the guy who probably ordered it. You know, He's he's asking, well, you know, I think Bill barr Is is up to something, and he's lying about all this stuff. Well, Bill barr

was only lying because Trump probably asked him too. This is the one guy that had the most to gain from him, you know, dying, and he's sitting across from this person and then he even he just lets it completely slip by where Trump is like, yeah, I mean, you know, it could have been something, but no, I think he just killed himself. It took her cars, and just oh, okay, all right on the next Oh, you want to what do you want to talk about?

The Panama Canal and the mosquitoes and you know how many you know, the Seven Wonders of the world. All this is like complete utter nonsense. And then again, you know, Trump will ramble on about in the Panama Canal and you know, all this stuff, and it just we just accepted, Yeah, that's it. That's real. Him talking about, you know, the Seven Wonders of the world and bringing in the Panama Canal and and talking about you know, well he made it, you know, seven wonders and

all this stuff. And I don't know who this magical heat that he's referring to that we'll all just say, yeah, that's completely true. But when he is obviously lying about probably, if not ordering the murder, certainly sanctioning the murder of a person that was clearly you know, I mean, if he was killed in that manner, it's because they were afraid of him talking.

This is not you know, and then again the same This is the same person who's wishing Gillane well, but he's fighting the you know the And it's funny because I even it even seems like Tucker Carlson is falling prey to this. You know, Tucker Carlson is asking Donald Trump why his own attorney general was like lying and doing all this stuff. So, you know, best case scenario, Trump has no control over the people in his own cabinet and apparently Bill Barr is able to just order hits. At worst, Trump

is involved in it. But to Tucker Carlson, Daddy can't have done that. I'm not gonna believe what I'm seeing in front of me. I'm not going to believe that I'm sitting across from the guy who had a lot to gain from this person being silist. So you know, again it is the UFO is landing in Tucker Carlson's lap, and he's no, that's not happening, that's not real. You know, I'm not I'm not gonna believe it.

And yeah, it just it just seems like it's it is now happening at such a degree, and it's so funny to again, as I say, you log on and you see all these people in the all media, people that I like and I and I you know, have supported and stuff to be so dismissive of, Like, well, no, I mean, if you believe in UFOs, you're you're either you know, you're a willing fool or or you know, worst case, you're actually you're in on it.

You're part of that. You're a disinfo agent. You're infiltrating as you're trying to to to distract us from all the you know, from the Nazis and this and that, and it's it's it just it boggles my mind. Well, eventually all of that which you just discussed gets turned into well, you must be siding with the pedophiles, you know that. It's like, yeah, exactly, you're exactly you're on the side of the pedophiles because you

disagree. Like that's where it goes. Ultimately. I know there's a few steps I skipped there, but I'm sure I'm telling you it doesn't take ultimate yeah exactly, because there's no yeah it will, and because it just completely shuts it down. No one wants to be like, you know, pro pro pedo, right, Like, no one's gonna be like well, no,

no, I mean that's not quite it. You know, who in their right mind is gonna come I mean, look, listen, I mean you, you and I. You and I have a little disagreement about O. J. Simpson, Okay, But the thing is, I'm pretty sure he's guilty. And by the way, I found it hysterical what happened with one of the guys who was talking about the different footprints and everything else recently

being taken to court. I think you and I talked about it. Maybe not there too ago anyway, Henry Lee, right, it's it's very interesting, and you and I can disagree about that case. But here's the funny part. You could find people that will say, wow, I think Oja was innocent. You can find people that will say I think Oja was guilty

as hell. But tell me somebody, anybody that you're gonna find unless you know you're you're, you're, you're trading, I don't know, KP with them, all right, what the hell, And tell me somebody you're gonna find He's like, no, I think Epstein was probably a good guy. He was probably innocent. Find me somebody who does that. You won't. But but the weird thing is they will use that weapon. They'll use all

the weapons. And even in the culture wars, right, it's like if you don't show absolute fealty to the ideals of the circumstance, if you're not all the way on one side. I mean, I've even had people come at me about you know, they assumed for some reason that I was absolutely on the pro life agenda. I don't know where they got that from, but I'm not. I'm not comfortable with abortion and things like this. But again, I'm not on the pro life side where you know, I'm agreeing

with the heartbeat bills and all this. All right, never been there, never ever been there, But somehow people expect that. Here's the thing, though, is they'll turn that opinion that stands into you're with the new world order. They'll turn that. And that's the oddity of this, of this circumstance. Now, this is the way it is. You go like, literally, I think of the old expression you're in for a penny, you're in for a pound. You know, It's like that's all there is to

it. They have created a sifting mechanism that has It's not organic. I'm certain somebody designed it and I don't think any of us saw it coming to where you have to wind up being eventually sorted into one of two categories. And depending on who it is you're dealing with, you could be seen as the great evil or as part of the great good. But there's no in between. There's no ambiguity at all. There's no Well, maybe you have a mixture of us, maybe you don't quite fit in one of these two

boxes. Oh hell no. You are either on the side of the pedophile New World Order completely wanting to control you communists, that's the negative connotation on the one side, Or you're over here with these wacko liberals that want to destroy humanity and everything else because they are just as anti humanist as anything that's ever been on the planet, and they've always been here too. So either you're a lizard people or you're the other lizard people. There's nothing else.

Unless you're on their side, then you're okay. And again, just swap the labels around. It works. That's all there is to it anymore,

is good and evil. So when you see extreme actions, when you see violence committed, I have sympathy for some of those people committing those violent acts and you know why, because if they are thoroughly convinced that they're fighting the devil, fighting the Satan, fighting the darkness, fighting the unspeakable, fighting chronos in the underworld, whatever, if they're fighting the ultimate darkness, how can you have expectations that they won't use any means necessary if that's truly what

they believe. Now, whether it makes any sense or not, and whether it's more than just an emotional plea, and whether it's just well, I have to put Vladimir Putin on the side of good because he's out there speaking about proper morals. Then that has been pointed to me. Whether you have to put it on the other side that well, you know, this guy, regardless of whether he was a reality TV star, comedian, played a piano with his penis, he is a freedom fighter. And that's all there

is to it. Uh, you don't side one way or the other depending on who you're talking to. You have just wandered into the pedo evil, New World Order, globalist controller or Nazi controller, depending on who it is. And a lot of these people don't even would have no idea why Wagner has always been connected to what would be very, very totalitarian thinking. It was always a favorite thing. It makes perfect sense that that's what you would call it. It makes perfect sense. Oh, by the way, Wagoner

kind of sounds like that too. And we never got back to the chef and the fact that, well, you know, maybe he's dead. Maybe he's not. Now that's a new thing. Even though the plane crashed and oh, don't be suspect to Putin or anything. He's probably not even dead. See that's where even that it's right, it's like this is this is your guy, right Putin? Is that you know you don't cross him because look what's gonna happen, right, Yeah, but you can't pain him that

way. He's blowing up is Percosan's jet just a you know, spitting distance from one of Putin's, you know, Dasha's. But at the same time, it's no, it couldn't be. There's one one final thing, and this might be maybe I'm opening up a big can of worms, and I'm sure it might offend some people, but we're gonna close. We're gonna close on your big can of worms, just to say that, to meet just all of what we were talking about here. And again, maybe I'm I'm

stretching it. But to me, it's like, you look at that, and then what are we getting politically? This this cycle, that's a big thing. Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who is simultaneously seems to be the most ardent, hardcore supporter of Israel, so much so that I mean he genuinely some of his statements. It's like there is literally like Israel could be you know, they could be going you know, house by house murder during Palestinians and he would still be like, well, they're the only democracy in

the Middle East. While at the same time he clearly appears, whether he's fully aware of it or not, it seems to be dog whistling to neo Nazis, like giving like direct, like weird references, like you know, more so than even like Trump with the weird qan on tweets. And yet you again, you have people on both sides of that argument seeing only what they want to see and believing that no, this is this is the guy,

this is our guy. Here's here's a weird thing. Dude. I feel really good about him, except I do know that there's some strange things here, like some of the people that have gone into his organizations, environmental views, and guess what the thing you're talking about the support of Israel, which I didn't even get into on my show. Yet these things bother me about him. But other than that, I gotta say, I don't feel like anybody's out a leash on him. I think this is his his concoction.

I think so too, And I mean, to me, that's what I find that almost more terrifying that sometimes I think he is so deep into this sort of world that we've been talking about now for nearly two hours, that he is both a supporter of Israel but also is like, you know, thinks that COVID is only targeting Jews, and I think that to him, he sees no difference between them in much the same way that people are like, no, no, Putin is fighting the Nazis while he's employing the

Nazis. You know. It's it's like, and I think for a lot of people, it's like I think I think that, you know, the more rational of them, it just comes down to like, well, I don't care, they're my Nazis. You know. It's okay, That's that's not how I come down. But I'm just saying that I think he's actually not unlike everybody else that's being presented out there. He's not just an agent working on somebody else's behalf. That's the only that is the only definitive,

clear thing I can say. And I feel good about him, I really do. I almost one of that freaks me out a bit, is like the Roger Stone stuff with him, you know, because it's like it just it feels very much like and I just don't know how much. Again, I don't know if he is fully aware, but I think that there are a lot of people that are trying to cozy update him in a weird way. And I mean, full disclosure, I don't really like rfk JR.

I think he's a bit I think again, I find he embodies too much of this like Messiah complex with people in the art media, you know. But but anyway, to me, I just feel like it's just another example of that where it can you know, and he is linking people on both sides of that particular argument, and that to me is just it just it feels very kind of reminiscent of what we're talking about here, where again, you will see what you want to see, and that's generally not what is

the reality of it. Well, I'm actually hoping to interview him at some point and ask him a couple of questions that I think will be really interesting. And I know some other people have gotten interview him. I was a little surprised by it, but I'm just telling you that. You see, here's the thing, though, you and I can still be friends and maybe even disagree on something like this, which is weird. And look, I'm not saying that you're entirely wrong either, because it's not like I haven't been

broadsided in the past by something deceiving me. We all have. Anybody you know who claims to always see everything coming is lying to you if they've been alive the past twenty years. I doubt anybody has clocked it all all the way way ahead of time. It has never been that way. Okay, we've all gotten deceived because it's a very deceptive world. Pierce. I mean, would you agree to that? Oh yeah, entirely. I mean, yeah, exactly. I think that that's you know, that's again, that's

what we've been talking about exactly. So I mean, this is how easy it is, exactly. So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna let you go because I've already kept you for way long enough. But I hope that you and I will get together again in the very near future and discuss some more of this. And we didn't even get to progrosion as much as I wanted to. Maybe if we get you back in a week or two,

we could go over at some more. I'm sure there's gonna be more claims that he's still alive by then, and who knows where else the rest of that story is gonna go. Because there's something very valuable that needs to be broken down here and I haven't been able to get to it with anybody yet, but I think I might be able to with Porkins because he's really good at analyzing these things. And again, I think we'll have an interesting

discussion next time around. But what do you think? Is there anything you want to add here? Or I mean, I know you're not doing any projects outside of popping up with me once in a while, and this was longer than the hour we planned, but what the hell here we are? Any thoughts? Oh? Yeah, just said you know, I really enjoyed this, Chuck, and it's been a lot of the stuff that I talked

about tonight with stuff that's been kind of brewing in my head. So it's great to have an outlet such as the Achilli Effect UH, to to discuss these sort of things and to bring them up and to not be afraid again to to disagree, because there is not nearly enough disagreement when it comes to UH, you know, all media and UH and and and the freedom to like express stuff that doesn't fall completely into well you have to check this box or that box, and if you don't check this box, you're against me.

So yeah, I just that and then yeah, and just so I would just say, if you know, next time, maybe keep an eye out. There's a there was a coup recently in Gabon in Africa, and

there just seems to be more and more of these cups. And I don't think they're all necessarily related to Progozan, but it just is interesting to me the amount of cous going on, the fact that many of these like leaders are are aligning themselves with Russia. Whether that's because they like Wagner or they like Putin, I'm not sure, but I think that it's something that we're

going to see in the next couple of weeks more developments on that. Yeah, there was a lot of independent service going on there through Progojians group, right, And the fact is that he was definitely well involved with a bunch of the I guess you could call it jeez, what what should you call it? But look the independent operators that went in there and ran security for various things. It just so happens they're they're in good proximity to a whole

bunch of unrest regarding these different governments. And you wonder what the design is because as per usual on the global stage, no matter if it's corporate or independent, nobody's covering Africa properly. So we don't know entirely everything that's happening there. And I gotta say it is key. It is going to be

about the resources, and it is going to be about the future. And I still say that at some point if we are going to see a serious launch at World War three, unless there is you know, serious like all of a sudden unexpected nuclear exchanges, which people have teased at over this Ukrainians many times. Unless it's something like that, I do believe it'll still get lit off straight from the continent. Of Africa. I stand by that.

I've said that for many years, but who knows who's gonna stumble into that, and with are currently inept and seemingly next to be an ept administration gonna come in as far as the US goes, all I can say is stay tuned on that. Anyway, we'll have Porkin's back real soon, guys, and hopefully you enjoyed this. So no matter who you are, where you are, when you are, remember I'm merely o'celly, all of you are indeed the effect. Pierce Redman was my guest tonight, and I hope you

guys had some food for thought. Take care. I started as a salesman, Mr Beile. I sold sewing machines and automobile pots, hair brushes and electronic equipment. They say I can sell anything. Like to try to so something to you. All hell must to Bill. Please sit out. You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, mister Treo, and I won't have it. It's a clear to think you merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case. The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of

this country, and Dolly must put it back. It is head and flow, don't gravity. It is ecological balance. You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are nations, there are no peoples. There are no resims, there are no Arabs, There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and the main, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multi national dominion of dollars, petrol dollars, electro dollars, multi dollars, right

marks, rings, rubles, bounds, and shecklers. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this penet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atonic and sub atomic and galactic structs your own things today. And you have meddled with the primal forces of nature. And you we are a tone. Am I getting through? So it must to be you get up on your little twenty one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no

democracy. There is only IBM and it T, an AT and T and DuPont, dow, Union, Carbide and Excel. Those are the nations of the world today. What would I do revelation through conversation in a radio show slash podcast. You want the good news, listen to the o'chelli effect.