The Ochelli Effect 9-26-2023 Regular Joe

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the business of the day. And by the way, I could use some help over here to Ocelli dot com, so please do consider hitting the donate button. And that's the last plug I'm giving you for tonight, though I might take a break depending on how much fun I'm having. Why my man, my friend regular Joe has returned and we picked a topic well as we connected tonight to go with. Now, I had a couple of ideas.

I definitely got tons of ideas, news, possibilities, philosophies, everything that are going to go into the Friday night show and a few other shows along the way. This week had to cancel Mica Dank's video appearance, which would have been done earlier in the day. I've got a few other guests lined up and a few other possibilities lined up. Tomorrow night we'll be talking to

country man Blind Joe and he'll be on video. Why not let's put the two blind guys on video and see what happens instead of three blind mice, how about two blind guys and two mics. Anyway, forget it, regular Joe. How's things down there in well? According to the video you sent me one of the poorest counties or the poorest county in the country, although Harlan disputed that on Friday when I brought it up, because you happen to

live in a little place called McCreary there, don't you do. McCreary County. It's very poorary, a very rural. It usually always makes the top five list of the chorest counties in Kentucky. And sorry about that big acorn just fell on my roof. Wow, that was an acorn. Yeah, they're really big this year. That sounded like a bowling ball hitting the ports Mad acorn of poem or que ball at least Jesus all right, I'm sorry

I was distracted by that. Anyway, back to it. McCreary, as you said, almost always makes the top five of the poorest counties in Kentucky, and by by way of that, since Kentucky itself is fairly poor, usually makes the top five of the poorest in the nation. This video I sent you that they're they're calling it v Porus, but it usually gets beat out by like Howsley County or something much slightly northeast of here. Excellent deserves around Hi. Applause, there you go go ahead. Yeah, but it's

just business as usual here. The new sheriff that came in the last election cycle, however long that's been, seems to be cracking down more than the previous one did. And there's not as many missing people popping up here as the ones where And let me tell you, folks, you go missing in the deep dark hills in McCoury County, you're gone. You gotta love how an improvement in your mind is, well, there's less missing people now. Yeah. And you know the guy who did that YouTube video, I decided

to explore his channel a little. And what he likes to do is go into the most dangerous hood you never heard of, hanging with the gangster disciples, even though I'm a white guy. He had a rapper on there that literally did a song or an album I forget which that he called the Black KKK. You know, stuff like that. And then he goes out in the woods with people, Hey, this is the place with the most guns in America. How how deep and white is Idaho? I think was one

of his videos. I don't know. It was crazy stuff, but he likes to go places where it's like, look, man, this is a real poor place. And make no mistake, I'm not making jokes here. McCreary's got some rough looking spots stuff I'm used to seeing in the Northeast. Like, you know, the motel that looks abandoned is actually still operating and apparently people live there. I like the one story you know, Oh that girl over there, Yeah she got pre rent because the roof fell in on

her house. Yeah, that's actually an old apartment complex that wasn't even a motel, that was just an old apartment complex. And the guy that owned and operated it for most of my life is dead and gone. I don't think his family continued any upkeep. Well, no, but somebody's got to collect a check. And I gotta say, it looks like an old motel instead of an apartment complex, and people are living in boxes there, man,

I mean little tiny, teeny places. And he goes, yeah, well, you know, I can rent a place here for three hundred dollars, which is great price wise, But when you look at the condition and the fact that people are breaking into each other's houses left and right, I don't know what they're looking to steal outside of the garbage that's laying in some

of the abandoned apartments. I guess we'll call them. But stuff like that, plus guys sitting there going, yeah, there's nothing, dude in the woods, but drink and shoot your guns, and hey, let's go ahead and just drift around with the car and do like, you know, sliding skids And I guess that's a tokyo drift or whatever. I mean, it wasn't that way in the nineties. This place has really declined since the two thousands, either since the turn of the millennium. The place just really declined.

The opioid epidemic hit in the nineties and it was really bad, and then it got the local doctor feel Good finally got busted for pumping out all of his unnecessary med's out of his clinic, which cut down on the opioids, which but just made meth and heroin explode. Well see that's the thing I mean. When I brought this up with Harlan, I said, clearly the opioid epidemic had done some damage there. But here's the reality in a

place like that. Yeah, what happens is the pills come through, then the pill mill gets popped, and yeah, all of a sudden heroin becomes available and whoops, that's cheaper and a little year to get your hands on. I mean, you don't even have a doctor questioning you there, right, So that but and I brought that up to Harlan and he said, well, it's really the math. Actually, the meth is what did it. Yeah, the meth did this place, and it really did, and

it's it's still it's still really bad. We're starting to have a fairly large homeless population. And these folks just set up in tents behind like Arby's and stuff like that, and you can't blame them. And then they're talking about, well, how about you guys go get a job, and yeah, we'll get seven fifteen hours for lucky and oh, by the way, I gotta go out of town to go get twelve bucks from the walmart because yeah, oh yeah, there's there's nothing here. There's like, there's like one

factory and the rest of it's just retail. I mean, there there are no opportunities here. I've lived here all my life and I've always had to travel to work. As a matter of fact, my wife is working in Tennessee. Recently, she's been in Nashville and Georgia, but she's she's about to be working in out in the city Tennessee. Well, if she came anywhere near Making, I'd tell her to stop buy, I'd say hi, and at least give her a cup of coffee. I can spare that and

she can say hi to the little puppies. Yeah. I think most of the works she's got is in Tennessee. They may travel a little further south in the inner time, but mostly everything she's done this year has been in Tennessee. The further south she's made it is Jackson and Chattanooga. Okay, well, look, at some point, I mean, I know you don't really want to leave your holler there, but but I'd love to love to

see you over here. And I even considered moving to McCreary at one point, telling the audience that not you, Joe, because you know it, but considered moving there because I don't have any friends here and Making really so I want to go move where my friends are, but I don't think I can afford Florida, where you know, our our mutual friend Captain Tripps is yeah, you know, and I don't know if I can afford anywhere anymore. The way it looks. But I mean, I could probably afford to

live somewhere in McCreary. But would I want to bring my family to the places I can afford? That's another question. I mean, the one guy who was living at a literal motel had said, and by the way, I want to get off of this topic in a minute, but I figured we'd mentioned it since it was mentioned already on Friday. But the thing is, you know, the one guy was living in a motel going yeah, I'm a recovering drug addict and I work from home. Because what was he

doing? Tech support for Apple products or something? And I was like, if people knew that the guy who was giving him tech support looked like this guy, like nobody would walk up to him at a kiosk in the mall and be like, hey, let me ask you a question about They'd look at him and go, yeah, never mind, I'm gonna find another Apple

guy. You know. Strangely enough, I don't know that guy, but on the video of the very last guy that he and I do have to mention this before we move on. The very last guy that he interviewed, the one with the red and black shirt on right, I know him. I've known him my entire life, and I don't want to say his name on air, but I know his first name, last name, everything. I've known him my entire life, and he is a registered sixth offender. Oh nice. Well, here's the thing, though, is that because of

the limited population in that town. I mean, it stands the reason that if this guy decided to interview ten or twenty people, you stand to know at least one of them just by living. Yeah, exactly, because I've been here all of my forty seven I'm in my forty eighth year, but I'm forty seven years old and I've lived here in this area my entire life. So yeah, if you're going to pop up on a video, I'm

probably gonna know who you are. True enough, true enough. So look, we could get into some news tonight, and I'm gonna give you an example of that. But guess what we used to do this thing called regular guy news, and what that led to was generally us going, you know, we could cover all this stuff, but never mind, screw it. And that's kind of what's gonna happen to night. So spoiler right there anyway, in my hopper, and what might come up on Friday and who knows

when else. But since his regular Joe time, I'm gonna do it his way. And I know he's not really following the news feeds lately, although when he does I love his analysis. Figure. I'll just blast you with some of the stuff you've been ignoring regular Joe. Sound good to you? Okay, yeah, sure, okay. So from let's see ZM science dot com, apparently China is facing an alarming m pox outbreak. You know,

monkey pox never went away. You and I were talking about this probably two years ago, about the possible coming of the monkey apocalypse pox or pox apocalypse, or however you want to put it right, monkeypox elips. Here we go. And how about this from undark dot org. All right, a

toxic legacy? What America left behind in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, I'm just reading headlines and maybe subheadlines, And the subheadline on this one is Afghans say the US military polluted their land, poison their water, and sicken their children. I mean, not to mention the fact that they occupied there for so very,

very long. And of course the disastrous exit strategy, which was no strategy, has come up an issue in the coming twenty twenty four selection pregame shows, which will be running all the rest of this year, I assure you, into the next On top of it, let's see what else we got? Good lord, what is the name of this website? I thought I had a handle on it. Let's see trending now from the Messenger, Okay, from the Messenger, and I think it's the messenger dot com.

Yes, indeed it is. Fox and Friends insist there is nothing in US constitution about freedom from religion. The conservative network Personalities naturally faced backlash on social media et cetera, et cetera. That was published on the twenty fifth Let's see now twenty five that was yesterday. Wow, interesting story running there? What else we box says there's no freedom from religion? That I hear that

correctly. Apparently that's what the headline says. You know. Oh and by the way, that on my front you know, yeah, well, I'm sure you want to put that on a metal sign and put it right out there with you know, trespassers may indeed be shot. I actually do have

that sign hanging on trespass at your own risk. Anyways, let's just go to the AP feed and get it over with as quickly and painlessly as we can, unlike different people's attempts to euthanize human beings with the death penalty or the fact that of course, yet again this week pretty alarming, a forty one year old woman was found in alligator's mouth. That's how her family discovered she was dead after being homeless for a while. That's a thing, but

of course, plarta. Anyway, back to the AP and this AP wire update. I get these, you know, I get emails from like probably fifty different news services every day because I'm signed up. I want to make sure I don't lose track of anything in the feed, because that's part of my job to inform you guys about what information is out there, so I do it. Anyway, before we totally dismissed the rest of the news, You're ready for this run, regular, Joe, Oh yeah, I'm ready.

Okay, so let's try not to laugh as we go through. Okay, although this is comical, but this isn't the Onion or anything, which, by the way, I saw headlines this week that were definitely Onion esque but happened to be real, including stuff about, you know, glowing the dark petunias coming soon from your friends, you know that do GMO work, and various pig transplant stories about people getting hearts and kidneys and stuff from GMO

pigs and they're working out fine, even though they transplanted a kidney into a brain dead guy and the guy lived for like two months. Well, just saying anyway, there is pig news out there. But let's go to maybe some more pig news through the AP. The Associated Press, of course, one of those trusted news services out there, which, by the way, reliably usually at least gets most of its facts fairly correct because they don't editorialize

so much on the AP. That's my opinion, maybe yours varies. So here's the headlines that I was sent. Let's see what time was it exactly. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys at the time. Oh, it sent to me three hours ago according to this. I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was that long ago. But anyway, most recent update, Judge

rules Donald Trump defrauded banks insurers as he built real estate empire. That is about a story in New York where indeed Trump and his businesses were again on the record as having been fraudulent, but pay no attention to that because it's all a witch hunt, right, and it's all politics, and it couldn't be possible that a guy like that does that, because that's not what happens

in real estate New York or no, not at all. I'm imagining stuff anyway, The Supreme Court will let Alabama's congressional map be redrawn to better represent black voters. JP Morgan will pay seventy five million dollars on claims that it enabled Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking operations. And I'll follow up on that headline. JP Morgan Chase has agreed to pay seventy five million to US Virgin Islands to settle claims that the bank enabled the sex trafficking acts of financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Most of the settlement will go toward local charities and assistants for victims. And the story continues more. Maybe I'll give you guys links in the show notes to this stuff. But this is a real story. It's happening. And oh, by the way, that is that lawsuit I kept talking about. This is one of the logical outcomes that accompanies that lawsuit. In the Virgin

Islands that I kept talking about that nobody had information on. Well, finally some movement and they're going to hold a bank responsible for seventy five million dollars. I guess to most people that would be like one hundred dollars parking tickets. Sort of inconvenient, but hey, it is what it is. Anyway, Moving along, what else we got? Canada's House speaker resigns over inviting

a man who fought for a Nazi unit to parliament. That happened. They had a guy there, they honored him, and yeah, let's see, let's read the subheadline. The speaker of Canada's House of Commons has resigned for inviting a man who fought for a Nazi military unit during World War Two the parliament to attend a speech by Ukrainian President Vladimir Zolinski. Vlodomir Zolinski. Funny

thing there. You know, I'm not all for the everything is justified, you know, because nazis Ukraine. But you know, if you're aware that that's a thing, I would be more careful about my guest list and really make sure that I'm quite a boot making the whole thing not happen. That way as that way, nobody stuck saying I'm sorry. Yeah, you don't have to say I'm sorry. Holzer, Okay, moving along, Biden urges striking auto workers to stick with it in picket line visit unparalleled in history,

you know, the United Auto Workers. Biden is there and they're making they're splashing the headline everywhere. He's joining a picket line. Does he know what a picket is? Does he know what a line is? Does he know what joint is? Does he know anything? At this point, not sure. Between the confused ramblings from him and his primary opponent on the other side.

That was interesting, by the way, somehow Jeb Bush got us into the Middle East or the Iraq War, depending on how you read it, you know, late his speech from Trump and some other weird stuff that he said. If you actually pay attention to what he said, you know, it might sound like he's a little confused, and he does this thing where he raises his shoulder and twitches when he talks. But pay no attention to that. Trump is totally healthy, even though he's just about as old as

old Joe over there. And I'm saying, why are we dealing with the oldest of men. Well, we might get into that in a minute with our real topic, but order on that fact that there's only like three or four years between Trump and Biden, you know, because she was complaining that Biden was too old. I agree. I agree, he's not very cognitive because very old, I said, But by your own standard, if Trump runs again in twenty twenty four, he'll be too old too. Yeah.

And here's the other thing. You know, Bernie Sanders, who is older than both of them, definitely comes across as a lot more coherent, just saying yeah, well, you know, all all one really has to do is observe your society objectively and you'll see why your leaders are morons. Well, of course, of course. And the other thing is if if you realize that, look, if he's on my side, his glitch is just a glitch to pay no attention, and if he's on the other side,

his glitch is disqualifying. I mean, that's just the reality of I don't know the twenty first century, but anyway, I can't. I still can't understand how people can align totally with one side or the other. It makes no sense. So back to the ap onion California governor signs law raising taxes on guns and ammunition to pay for school safety. Yes, real headline all right now, as climate change in high costs. This is a different headline

as climate change in high costs plague Alaska's fisheries. Fewer young people take up the trade anyway. Cassidy Hutchinson's The New Book says Mark Meadows suits smelled like a bonfire from burning papers. That was after the January sixth thing. And also Cassidy Hutchinson's made some other headlines in the past week claiming that Rudy Giuliani straight up stuck his hand under her dress just because he felt like it, you know, after watching him in that scene in bow Rat. What was

it last year? I don't know too, maybe three years ago now, I think two three years ago, the bull Rat sequel where he's got the teenage girl in there and he says he was adjusting his microphone in his pants when he was laying on a bit. Anyway, let's just get back to it. Taylor Swift is a fan of Travis Keis, and suddenly so is everyone else. I don't know who that is, what that is? Why do I care? What Taylor Swift is a fan of Not Sure, but

the AP published. Okay, so here's the funny thing about this ages thing. And I'm not not doing any more headlines. I'm done with the news because we are going to dispatch with it. Just there, Joe, let me just ask you about this observation. I have you and I are in the same generational bracket. I mean we can agree on that. I'm fifty one now, you said forty seven, right, yep, yes, that's great, seventy two respectively, right there you go, right, uh and

and and that's that's fair enough. But here's the thing about our generation which was interesting. They were saying when we were growing up, when we were very young people. You know, around this time when people are complaining about the whatever they call them Z generation, I don't even know what they are

anymore. But the latest generation, the just turning eighteen, going into their twenties, legal drinking age, maybe crowd, right, that's either the baby millennials or the elders ease something right anyway, It's like, oh, look

at them, they don't care about anything. There this and that. You know, it's funny because I remember our generation was supposedly so apathetic that they felt like, you know what, We're very worried that these people are going to be so lazy, so disconnected, so not caring, because they're gonna stare like zombies at the TV and that's all they're gonna do. They're gonna be beavis and butthead just growing up there getting bald and fat and diabetic while

they stare at the same TV for the next couple of decades. Were they far off? Yeah, quite a bit. But one thing you'll notice is why is everybody in a position of power? Why or most of the CEOs, Why are all the key politicians, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Why are they all baby boomer our parents and grandparents generations effectively? And I know from the South, I'm from the Northeast, but I'm from a trashy part of the Northeast, So could even ded be our great grandparents

depending on how fast we decided to push out them babies. Anyway, either way, that's the generation still holding the reins of power because our generation kind of didn't show up for that. We really had an odd emotional breakdown in the nineties. We did. It was it was almost and I've described this to my children many times. The nineties were almost like a miniat your sixties.

There weren't as many protests. There was no Vietnam, but and there weren't There wasn't quite as much free love, but there was quite a bit. So, yeah, that's something. It was like, you know, in the sixties, rebel without a cause. Right, it was, We're gonna have a rebellion because the establishment is trying to send us off to war. Man, they're all trying to make us, you know, the same

man. And the yippies turned into the hippies, who turned into of course, a lot of people claimed to be Hippie that were nowhere near you know, like the eight billion people that were allegedly at Woodstock. Now you know, everybody claims to have been there, even though there wasn't that many people there, et cetera, et cetera. Right, they had Woodstock, we

had live aid. They certainly had more revolutionary, colorful things, more innovation, because for the first time ever, certain things happened, the landing on the moon, if you believe it happened, Okay, okay, okay. The Cold War was definitely at its peak of turbulence there keeping people occupied, and sure they wanted to turn people into establishment, and people rebelled against it, and you had the law and order. Let's get back and make America

great again. People. Except they supported a guy named Nixon back then around the time you and I were born. Except well, wait a minute, by the time you were born, for its president already, because yeah, he's on four years between us Man's that's the oh aborted fetus cycle that we call the American political system, right, So seventy two was an election year, and so was seventy six, So there you have it. In seventy two when I'm born, Nixon is re selected and doesn't fill out his term

because Watergate. Ford was actually not elected, you know, No, Ford, there's the other thing. Ford had been appointed to be the vice president because he was a Speaker of the House, I believe, and whatever it

was. He was a congressman representative from Michigan. And then the next thing, you know, is he ends up being president because Spiro Agnew had to go because the tax of Asion, and then Nixon resigned because he didn't want to give up his tapes, and Watergate, the thing that would brand every political scandal there after whatever gate, Okay, even though that makes zero sense.

Okay, I mean today, if Watergate happened, you'd literally have to call it watergate gate because it would be to add a gate to it. And therefore it's now a high level of political scandal. But the country changed. So Carter is elected or selected in seventy six, but doesn't take office still seventy seven. H Nixon is re selected in seventy two and you know, begins second term seventy three, doesn't finish it. Ford finishes it out and pardons his ass on you know, Nixon's way out the door, first

official act. I think maybe if it wasn't the first, I mean, they might have had to get him to change. I don't know that the seat covers in the oval office or something. Something I'm sure came first, right, some decision first, highly publicized one, we'll put it that way, fair enough, the first deal there. And of course he was part of a deal too, because it was sort of like, okay, I mean, even though they said there was no deal, just like always,

no, we've made no pre arrangement. Of course, we didn't discuss this at all, Just so happens we had the paperwork sitting here in the drawer ready and it's almost all filled out. I just got a stamp it. Okay. Yeah, So our generation kind of took up the mantle that it's it's y'all screwed it and you expect us to fix it and it's not gonna happen. But there you go. We kind of said, you guys screwed this up, and we ain't gonna fix it. Matter of fact, we

are gonna sit here and be ride this out. We're gonna be Davis and butthead. We're gonna sit here, watch TV and comment. And we did, and we watched dumb things like MTV. Some of us if we could get cable, yea, and if we could a long time to get cable here. I was well in high school before cable reached where I lived. I remember even in New Jersey, it was coming to, coming to and showing up. I mean, by the time we got to the mid eighties, it was pretty much everywhere. But when I was a little kid,

like cable was like wow, do you have cable? Yeah, it was a big big deal, and some people had satellite dishes, but again, you had that money for that anyways, whatever it was, even if we were gonna, you know, play with the rabbit ears and put the tinfoil on the box and stare at the black and white and try, and you

know, play, can you make out what it is? If the wind doesn't blow, right, yeah, And hope that the wind doesn't blow or somebody doesn't touch it, or the dog doesn't bark too loud, because you'll lose your channel or you'll end up having a If you were in Jersey, we might end up having to switch to the Philly channels instead of New York because they'll come in better because the way the wind's blowing. Anyway. You know, I'm this whole gen X thing. I've got to tell you what

the strangest phenomenon that I've noticed about gen X is. Okay, tell me the younger generations don't know we exist. See, when I was out working in retail, my fellow crew members all called me because they were all, you know, in their mid twenties. Some of them may be in their late twenties, so you know, clearly millennials, and they called me a boomer constantly, And I'm like, what's wrong with your generation? Man?

You do not realize that my mom is a boomer. There is a whole generation after that called gen X. They're like, no, you're just a boomer because you're old. I'm like, no, you're misusing it, man. But there you go. They don't have to know the particulars because all they gotta do is ask Serie. She'll fill it out for him. The thing is, we can complain about them, and they can complain about us

and not even realize we exist. That's all fine and dandy, but there's a giant gap there in time, which, by the way, I argue with you even using the word millennial, because that changed, right, it was supposed to be Why now right? I mean X y Z. That doesn't sound very promising, does it? Well? Yeah, where do you go next? Right? Double z? Let's go back around to a generation A, and what will they? You know how I am about the reset?

But then if we're going to be doing anything, it's gonna be resetting and going back to generation A. Well, why not? Right? And why not just skip one and just say look, the first thing was you know, doesn't count mulligan? Okay, so B, let's start with B. Why not? The thing is, I don't even hardly care about it.

Except the funny thing is millennial has changed, right, because originally millennial is supposed to be people born around two thousand at the millennium, right, you know, the alleged millennium, which up to like eighty three eight four. Yes, yes, somehow their generation got a larger swath of time than ours did. I don't know how that happened. I don't need it.

And some of us kind have been teenage parents of some of these millennials, right, But we just birthing children later, or birthing fewer of them. I mean, has reproduction slowed and that typically happens in an over sixth society, which we certainly are and have been for since since I've been alive, well for the past almost decade, there have been nothing but the descending rates

of sperm and birth around the world, especially in western nations. As much as people also want to tell us about the overpopulation, the truth is, mathematically, you know, like in America, we shouldn't be worried about overpopulation unless you want to add immigration to the equation, because we're not having babies at that rate anymore, our replacement rate. I don't think it's even being met now, replacement rate means that there's two people that get together, they

make two babies, so they replace themselves in the equation. Right, that's not even happening now. For every two people, there's less than two people being born that were born here. So there's that. But I want to get back to the attitude and the interesting part, and how is it you

can ignore a generation, because you've got a great point there. We are ignored, and we're ignored by the younger generation, and even our parents generation kind of ignores us, like we don't count anymore, which is about me of the JP s Atilly catch line. I was raised by a pack of wild televisions. Well, but our generation was raised by network and cable TV. Yeah, but why because our parents couldn't be home. There was no

way to have one parent working and have the other parents stay home. And you had that that you know, leave it to beaver arrangement, knew. Good, Okay, I've broke that down before with the whole MAGA crowd that they're talking about what TV was when they were making TV about the fifties, not what real life in the fifties was. Yeah, well there's that, but indeed, mathematically you could send one person out to work and keep one person home. That is, indeed, if you could keep two people together,

which again didn't last very long outside of the fifties. And I guess people started to romanticize it because at least, you know, the Cleavers weren't getting divorced. The Brady bunch well, and we don't know what happened to the first Missus Brady exactly, but she and around no more. They blended a family and they weren't going nowhere, even though we now know that mister Brady was definitely not as interested in Missus Brady as he might have been in

some other individuals and such. But irrelevant, okay, not relevant to the discussion. The fantasy on TV is one thing, but the reality we didn't have two parent homes. It just wasn't that way for one reason or another, whether it was our dad was a Vietnam bat or you know, in my case, it's pretty extreme. My dad, you commit suicide. He's gone. So I have stepdads, but they don't stick around even all that

long. Things go on, brother, it is what it is, and we devolved, and people say, oh, the death of the family unit is the thing that's destroyed the country, and so on and so forth. But I will tell you that it was a bit of a problem for our generation because nobody knew how to cope with it. Now, we don't show up in these leadership positions. We didn't go to go join the establishment so quickly, most of us. I mean, indeed, we still have our

guys that wanted to join the military and be part of that culture. And we have other people that want to be part of this culture or that culture and became part of the tech culture, etc. But the truth is, then when it comes to leadership roles and taking on those mantles and actually being leaders, they kind of just said, nah, you know what the old

man's mind, Let him keep doing it. Right. However, our generation did participate strongly in what I consider to be the last good mass produced music. Ah See, now here is where the worm turns, so to speak, artistically, Right, what are we also slapped with? If indeed you recognized there was a generation X, A lot of people think of us as the grunge generation. I'll take that. I take it, but not necessarily

because of the music. I'll take the grunge thing based on the fact that a bunch of guys said, you know what this hole like, having your hair blown out and you know, looking having more makeup on your face than the average hooker, and wearing more weather pants so tight you can tell what you're PA's religion was. Yeah, you know, more glitter than is that an average seventies discotech. There's a word for you to look up, boys and girls, disco tech. That was the thing. More glitter, more

sequence on stuff and all that. It was getting ridiculous. Okay, the corporate rock scene had swallowed almost everything, including some of the better metal acts of the day. They were all glammy and ridiculous looking. I mean, I love Ozzy Osbourne, but if you look back at the ultimate Sin era where he's wearing stuff that looks like blouses with sequence and everything else he's trying to fit in with his hair teased out. You know, the giant cans

of aquinet than most women carried around in their purses back then. And I do mean women as in what was a woman to me, which was a teenage girl when I was a teenager, All of them had cans of aquinet in a bag. Yes, it was just a thing and it wasn't just big hair and jersey. It was a national obsession. Yes, it was everywhere. And the girls here in the late eighties early nineties had the gigantic

pooped up bangs, you know, right right. Well, not only did they have the gigantic pooped up bangs, but one thing I noticed about girls from the South, they definitely they knew when to say when about a lot of things, but not I make up a lot of them were just like, you know what, if an ounce of eyeshadow is good, three ounces gotta be better. And they would have ridiculous amounts of eyeliner, eyeshadow misties.

You know, people talk about smoky eyed looks and everything else. The women in the eighties and the girls in the eighties did obscene things to their eye sockets. You know what I mean. Mascara too, Oh yeah, the mascara, so much mascara that it would literally destroy their uh what do you call eyelashes? Okay, they would be like caked up pieces of it in between the lashes. Yeah, I mean. Previous to that, Lucile

Balld did weird things and you know, pluck. The women would pluck their eyebrows to such a degree, and all that crazy things started to happen, and to me, the beauty of deciding to take a razor to more than your legs and armpits came into vogue in the nineties two. I liked that, but that wasn't all the grunge girls now back to it. When you have that sort of thing coming out of the corporate world, what's supposed to be pretty, the fashion magazines, et cetera, et cetera. You know,

there's always going to be a revolt at a certain point. Older people, and I mean way older people that were still talking to me about the Great Depression back then, tell me things like, you know, one day there's gonna be a bunch of young people. And it came true recently.

There's gonna be a lot of young people that are going to be super conservative, and that's going to be their rebellion, like in other words, to go to more conservative, less wild sexually against abortion, against free love, against this and that again and swimming dressing wild blah blah blah blah bla bla blah blah blah. That is going to become a significant group of young people. And I said, I'll come on, what young person is gonna want

to embrace being straight laced. Well, they had me there, I gotta tell you, because we now have a bunch of young people who do come out and have decided that they are disciples of the conservatism that they think exists. I'm gonna leave that there for now, because again, I don't want to focus on the kids and what's wrong with them and all their wonderful slabs and fondle slabs of choice and applicable applications and what it is how they're doing

cyber dating and whatnot. I don't want to go there. But TikTok is corn. You remember when you put on paper man porn? Yeah, the kind of thing that you had to find under your stepdad's bed, and if you found a real Jackpott, it was one that he didn't want your mom to see, you know, And you could keep that one so long as you keep your mouth shut. Yeah, stuff like that, or you had

to surreptitiously obtain a videotape. Yeah. Crazy stuff. By these younger ones that I got to talk to when I was out working in the public. They were either asexual or gay. Not not conservative. I mean, they're they're quite liberal the ones that I have encountered. But asexual or gay, well, see, that's the other explorer. The hyper availability of pornography has

something to do with that. Well. But see, but that's the other extreme that emerges from the logical equation because again, even though we're talking about Generation X, it was not just a homogeneous group. Even when grunge became a thing, Let's get honest, I didn't like it at first. I

was against it. I thought it was killing rock and roll because all of a sudden, Yeah, there were guys coming out of nowhere wearing stuff that looked like I bought at the second hand store, because that's where they were going to shop. Literally. And not only that, but some of their music was so basic and really a lot of it crap. El soo,

you're talking about Nirvana and Pearl Jam right now, not even there. I'm talking about the precursors to them before the corporate world grabbed a hold of them, when runs just started to emerge. One of the main precursors was Soundgarden then, right, because they were around in the mid eighties, maybe even the early eighties. I think they just didn't take hold until after the Cobain

phenomenon. Yeah, this comes to what mud Honey, Blind Melon, and indeed Sound Garden might have come in there, but this is at a point in time in which these guys were like, you know what, you know those old uniform shirts that people wear gas stations. We're just gonna buy old ones of those. Even if it doesn't have my name on it, it's got a name patch beautiful. That is now my new cultural statement. Even though I don't work at the gas station, I'm gonna wear the gas pumper

shirt, whether it fits right or not. And why not a flannel shirt? Those are always cheap and readily available. I mean every kmart certainly had them, not a problem. So you looked that way, and a lot of the music, even the stuff now you're talking about recognizable names, but there were tons of them out there that were just coming and going that weren't taking hold, but they were creating something. Now, is that all of us? No, Because I was still a metal head and there were other

people that were definitely into the pop music of the time. God help us all in the late eighties, okay, and yeah, that's that's when even the hair metal they got so ridiculous. In the late eighties with their vocals, because it was like the vocalist had to be able to actually sound like

a woman. Yeah. Then it just got more ridiculous and more ridiculous with bands like Firehouse feal Heart that were just shameless knockoffs that can happen, happen to have a vocalist that could sing higher than the previous ones that looked just like a faster pussy cat. Oh terrible stuff. Man. Well here here Cinderella, Oh awful sin See. Now here's the funny thing. Tom Keeper

is actually a fairly talented guitarist, but you know his stuff. Sha man, I am doing a fair approximation of the book that was that was actually a fair cover right there, my friend. Now that's day. Is the thing about the hair bands though, even though they came up with the atrocious ballads and the terrible, high pitched squeals that were woman like, many of them did produce some pretty fantastically talented guitar players occasionally. And here's the other

thing that was happening at the time. All of a sudden, guns and roses was a phenomena. And now some people would say, oh, don't you start on guns and Roses. Sorry I got because remember Axel Rose was a weird guy. Definitely went all sorts of rock star right away. And you know, I know everybody loves Welcome to the Jungle, but you know,

okay, yeah, yeah, Now Axel's an acquired taste. And you've got to know the guy's a nutcase when his name's Bill Bailey, but he comes out with a name that if you rearrange the letters and spells oral sex, there you go. You know, he's a head case Bolts. There's there's never been any doubt event in my mind. Did they produce good music?

I think so. Were they overrated? Absolutely? You know. And then some people would say, well, this is also the era in which Kiss had no makeup on and yes, you're correct, this was payable with or without makeup. Let's just put that out there. See, I don't know Kiss to Me is okay as the makeup act, I mean, And they had a point which was pretty much sex, drugs, rock and roll and Gene Simmons is all good, all good. But I could never tell

if Paul Stanley was like gay or not. I always thought he looked like he could be Shares a little brother that's not bad that that that's a good one there. But meanwhile, all this is going on culturally, and of course, you know, you can look at television, you can look at the video games, you can look at the status of the state when it came to technology. We were more than one thing our generation though, and

I think people need to remember that. But before we go any further, I think we got to dip back into the pool of grunge and why it makes sense to call it grunge, and why it makes sense to continuously remember that this was the appropriate music to come out of that generation. N was like an MTV term though, right, Wasn't that just to make it marketable as something other than the glam rock hair middle Well, I'll tell you what.

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Second and final segment for this Tears Day Tuesday. I'm here with regular Joe and we're doing this ex temporaneously pretty much talking about the grunge generation Generation X and how we are the absentee landlords. Remember that line from what was it The Devil's advocate. He's an absentee landlord. The guy's not showing up. Come on, have sex with your sister there, Keanu, let's go all right. Anyway, that was a wild movie also made in the nineties.

I think I'm not sure that was a good movie though, man, I mean with Pacino and there. I mean, Charlie did pull frontal nudity in that movie and bliss her heart for it. There you go, my own resident mister Skin here. If you don't know who mister skin is looking up. Okay, anyway, a lot of things the other generations might have missed out on, but one of them that we're most attached to, apparently, is the grunge thing. We're the era of grunge. We're the era of

reality TV. We're the era in which Mike Tyson reigned supreme. You know. I mean, it's a weird, weird set of circumstances that brings us together culturally. So lad's kick it off with the best of the best and talk about before we get to a list, which, by the way, regular Joe said to me, and it's let's see on American Songwriter dot Com. And we'll get to that list, and I'll include the link with the show notes. Maybe I'll try and get it into the chat room at Ochelly

dot com. Well, I'm at it. But if you go back to the live chat room Atowchelly dot com, you can often see links in conversation. I don't think we've got a lot of conversation tonight, but it's okay. You'll see some links there later if you check the time of the show when it was airing. Blah blah blah. Anyways, Generation X, the grunge generation, Joe, I'll kick it to you, man, What do

you got to say about grunge in general? Well, first, first and foremost, it's a pigeonhole term that I think that the folks at MTV probably spit out to kill hair metal and bring in the changing of the guard. But if we're getting down to brass tacks, it was metal. You know, the music itself was was pretty heavy. Well it was punk too, it was it was punk and metals sort of blended together. Yep, that's that's actually a very good description. But let me just segue into a question

for you. What was the factor that brought you around to the genre. Well, initially, by the way, I was totally annoyed with Nirvana. I thought Smells Like Team Spirit was a completely silly and stupid song. It was highly repetitive. It reminded me of like, like I was never a huge Ramans fan as a kid. I found say the Ramans man I really was, So we're on the same page, yeah, I mean, and it just was like that belongs in the same band at the record store as

the Ramons, but I don't think it's as good as the Ramones. That's what I thought of when I heard smells Like Team Spirit. And I had heard earlier than that the Bleach album, which was not as popular. It wasn't the explosion, And I started to appreciate Nirvana stuff as it came out more and more, and by the time they got to Incesticide, I was definitely into it. But it didn't last that long because Cobain, I believe, killed himself in ninety four and was a senior in high school. That's

how that's how GNX I am the audience. I started high school the year that Nirvana hit MTV, and I graduated high school the year that Kurt Cobain killed himself. Yeah, and I'm trying to think I think it was like right after my twenty second birthday. I think because I had gone out from my birthday and had a bad night, and I was out with my band and my bandmates all hooked up with women, and I wound up just crashing

at somebody's house because I did not hook up. I was not into the you know, the band slut culture, so I didn't go home with any girls and all the rest of my band did. I wound up hanging out with a singer from another band and crashed at his place. Him and his girlfriend went to bed, and they threw a blanket over me in the living room. We wake up the next morning and there's a big breaking news announcement on MTV. Kurt Cobain has been found dead. And I think it was

right around my birthday. I'd probably have to double check, you know, what I should do there? It was in April, I think, yeah, I should double check that date. But I want to say I was out the night before on my birthday. Let me see here what date Kurt Cobain died. I swear I think it was April twentieth, nineteen ninety four. Well, I'm you know, what I might have had to wait a little bit to go out for my birthday then, because almost thinking that he

died right around then. Let me see here, Oh wow, look at this. He died April fifth. Yeah, but I think he wasn't discovered. Let's see on April. Yup, here it is on April eighth, nineteen eighty four, Kurt Cobain, elead singer and guitarist blah blah blah was found. That's what it was. Yes, he was found. See I knew there was something about my birthday here. He died on the fifth, but he laid there for three days. So it was not Nirvana that swayed

you and brought you around to the genre. Well, no, I was. I was just going to get into this. I actually got my first death threat off of this, this circumstance because I wrote a letter to the editor for something called the East Coast Rocker or the Aquarium, which is the music magazine for the Northeast. It's like a newsprint thing that you know, if your bands wanted singer available, this kind of thing is in the back along with the personal ads, and back then it used to be a lot

of sex phone lines and stuff like that. All the clubs in the Tri State area advertised in this thing. It was the local Scene music magazine, and I wrote a letter to the editor, which I'd written several before and they never printed any of them, but this one they printed and identified me.

And the next thing I knew is because I was identified as Chuck, the singer for this band, people were showing up at my gigs threatening to assault me and kill me, even over the fact that I said, I cannot believe the absolute bizarre mourning that I am watching so many people do for Kurt Cobain. And I used a phrase in there, like this guy decided to pull a trigger and put a rapid end to his enchanted rock star life. And now you people that are plagued by all sorts of personal problems and

dysfunction are crying over it as if you lost a part of yourselves. Get it together. And that's what I was saying, because in music circles, in those publications, in the culture, people were freaking out when Kurt Cobain died. Now, is this a part of what made grunge good or not? No, but it did legendarily make him a legend and memorialized him ever after, Right made him into the next member of the twenty seven club, et cetera, et cetera, and now he's eternally twenty seven. So it

was an interesting thing. It was a cultural phenomena that was much larger than I ever reckoned with. And I thought, for the most part, Nirvana was in a lot of ways very silly now when I were the thing. To me, Yeah, I was never a big Nirvana fan. But the very last song that they ever recorded that came out years after Kurt's death, that you know, You're right man, That is a really good song that

was better than any thing they'd ever done. Well, what's weird is they had performed that song live many times and it was just an unfinished studio track that they finished later for the box set blah blah blah. And I know that because I was a bootlegger and I released that song. They were calling it auto Pilot or something like that on the bootlegs because nobody knew the name of the song. Ye anyways, that's not even the point. The point

is that Nirvana was improving, that's for sure. And if you read into the lyrics and you examined it, and you were a bit cerebral about it. You could see that this guy was saying a lot of things that were significant, that were meaningful, that we're moving, And if you checked the way the music was written, you could tell that it wasn't the sloppy, lazy apathetic thing. Because remember there's a word I have forced myself not to

bring up until now. We were generation apathy. We were supposed to not care about anything. We didn't have a war to rally around. We were supposedly so privileged and coddled that we were, you know, just looking for reasons to complain. And we were like the spoiled generation. According to the baby boomer generation that came before us and the depression era generation before that,

we were absolutely spoiled, coddled, and overprivileged. So we were oversexed, overprivileged, oversaturated, over bashed, over the head with mass media, supposedly, and this is what made us into less than significant people. And I said, we didn't show up for a lot of things. And the grunge era to me, started with a lot of dirty clothes. That's why I thought it was grunge because it was dirty clothes. It was stuff that looked

dirty. Like I said, people were picking up old gas station uniforms that people had used and sold to the thrift stores, and they were wearing them which were stained with oil and blood and everything else. And oh look it's great, it's a worn shirt. He probably pick it up from the dead wheel. You know, yeah, I know what you mean. Kurt Cobain never wore anything that fit. Everything was always just hanging off of him, right, and not just because he was a dope addict. I mean it

was an intentional thing. And sure it came from Goodwill, but it changed. See, grunge started to become a business thing. Like you said, MTV picked it up. It was a trend. So all of a sudden, that's stuff that used to reside in the dollar bin at the Goodwill now was in stores where you paid a lot of money for it. You were paying twenty thirty dollars for that gas station shirt that somebody threw away two three years ago. All of a sudden, the garbage was made into gold and

I found that interesting. But still grunge is the thing that people tied to us now was Nirvana the key Well, they definitely are one of the first bands that's ever going to come up when you use the word grunge, but to me, the Seattle scene wasn't even to be taken seriously in the late eighties when it was actually emerging until I heard of this band that was also from Seattle and they were called Alice in Chains. Wasn't Facelift just a monster

album too? Still, even though I was already revolting against MTV and their over commercialization of all music entirely, even though they had Headbanger's Ball with Ricky Jerkolf Rackman and everything else, you know, the guy was literally the overprivileged, spoiled kid from La. Yeah. It's like, I mean, literally take a look at who his parents where. His parents like owned one of the most successful clubs in LA or his mom did I forget the whole thing,

just like PAULI Shore. You know who's his mother, Mitzi Shore? Right, she owned a comedy club. I wonder how it is he got his start in comedy anyway, that they're all legacies there, you know, yeah, all kinds of legacy stuff going on. You know, uh, what do you call that? Nepotism? On high demand MTV? And you know how we're going to try and look like we have integrity with Unplugged, which Nirvana didn't unplugged, and Alison Chains did a hell of it unplugged.

But Alison James wasn't really a grunge band. But they did come from metal, but they did come from Seattle. They got mixed in with that, and I said, at that point, you know what, if Seattle can create this, I don't mind that the Delia Brothers went out there to go form Stone Temple Pilots, because those guys are from Point Pleasant, New Jersey. But you know, it's just all of a sudden, it was like, maybe I need to take another look at this. Up to that point,

I saw it as a pop culture. I just saw it as you know, pop culture throwing up on me again, you know what I mean, as a metal head, and I couldn't stand it. But as time went on, I appreciated a lot of this stuff, et cetera, et cetera. So before we get to the list, what else do people need to know about the grunge generation from two grungey guys. Well, Alison Chains was the crowning achievement of it, and I think they got pigeonholed into the

genre just like you said. But then it also produced what I considered to be the second greatest vocalist in rock and roll history, which was Chris Cornell. Okay, well I'm not gonna argue with you about Chris Cornell. Definitely a talent, but I mean, you know who stole from who? Who did the wirbling thing first? Remember that, all right, Eddie Vetter?

Oh where they even accused Wiland of that. They accused the Stone Typle Pilots of being a knockoff Pearl Jam. And I never saw that because because Stone Typle Pilots bass player was so technical. But yeah, but see, at first STP was like it seemed like every song was like, let's imitate one of the Seattle bands. You know, that's the core album. Yeah, I mean that's the way it came off when they when they came out and got successful. It was like every song is Okay, that's their imitation of

Alison Change. Okay, that's their imitation of Sound Garden. Okay, that's their imitation of Pearl Jam. You know, I mean, hier my air my am, Now what do you think that was? I mean, come on, yeah, you know, yeah, I like STP though, man, I really did that and mainly because of the bass player. He's he's really really good. But Whyland was talented because he was versatile enough to pick

up on all those singing styles and he was pretty damn good. Although again, when it's sold to you in a big, giant pop package, you know, as a metal guy, you immediately sort of are you know, set in default setting is reject this And I kind of a thing with it with STP though, when they settled down in their second and third album, because their first three were folks for us to get down to brass tacks. I like STP, but their first three albums are the only ones worth listening

to. If you go past that, you went too far right. But they evolved this this second album became more mellow, and then the third album was almost a straight seventies I Am Rock retro album. Yes, And here's the thing about it. You know, once you get into Lady Picture Show and all that other weirds, it's it's pretty cool, but you can't argue with and I don't care even though it was in a pop package. It broke right through and I said, oh, I gotta gotta give STP another

list. And when I heard Dead and Bloated I hadn't Bloated as an awesome song man. I said, Man, you know that's a monster sound. That's a singer hitting it on key. That's got some groove, it's got some soul. And even though it's on a pop album, I gotta I gotta tip my hat. I mean, it's just core. Though. To me, the jewel of that entire album was Wicked Garden. I love the riff in that song, but it was just it was just dirty, you

know what I mean. It just had a dirty, fuzzy sound. I stand by Dead and Bloated, though, it is my favorite track right there in that era, because it's just it's it's like just undeniable as a track overall, even the weirdness of they've got him away from the mic and all mute it out, and you know, it sounds like he's on a radio somewhere, so it's like he's not using a mic but a bullhorn way off in the distance, right, And I can't argue with any of it,

the production value of the whole bit of it. It's it's well done. I don't want to admit it, just like I didn't want to admit when I went back and looked at never Mind. It was like, yeah, this is a pretty damn good album despite smells like team Spirit. Yes it was there. Let's see. That's what burns me about the grunge era twos people attached to one specific song that got the most airplay of any any specific

band. Like what really burns me is when I mentioned sound Garden and somebody says, oh, black Hole Sun, I'm like, ah, yeah, we're done talking. No, but a great song. But you know it's a great song though I think it is. It is, but it's not their their jewel. I mean, but see, not even from that album is that they're jewel and bad. Motor Finger was better than super Unknown to me, I got you. But you know, if they didn't overplay it so much, I bet you wouldn't resent it, you know what I mean,

That's exactly what it is. Because let me let me tell a little story about when I saw sound Garden in ninety six. Okay, but I do want to get to this list and close out pretty soon. So let's let's say control both abbreviated as a general admission show, Lalla Pelooza. We were in the middle of a big field, big storm, rolls in on us and I'm talking black inky clouds in the sky. The sound garden is

on the stage. At the time the band leaves the stage, Cornell comes out in the pouring rain and lightning and wind with all those clouds whipping over us and does black Hole Sun solo. And before he did it, he comes out and because it's super hot as in July, he comes out and he says, it's about time we could get some blank blank rain. He says, you can get wet, soa can ee and he just breaks into black Hole Sun solo. Okay, and that was that was super cool.

Okay. I can see that look and you can have an experience, you know, watching a bandon concert, which will change everything, you know what I mean as far as your viewpoint of it. I can tell you there's a few times I had no use for a band and then I saw him live and I went, oh, I gotta go check it out again. You know. Rage Against the Machine did that to me because I was somewhat

interested in Rage. But after I saw them live, I was like, man, these guys got it. They have they they really had it, like I and I will never stop being a fan of blow up the outside world either even either and that's that's my life's favorite sound Garden selection. One of mine is tighter and tighter, but again you can see there's a nuance and there's a resistance and all that. It wasn't necessarily part of my soundtrack at that time, you know, but some of it was, some of

it was, some of it wasn't. I mean, I hate to have to admit that I had to hear, you know, more human than human way too many times from Rob Zombie, even though I appreciate Rob Zombie's work. Oh that was Why Zombie. And I'm sorry to split hairs, but I always have to make that distinction because I'm so fond of Why Zombie and Rob solo stuff is Okay, Why Zombie, I'm very very fond of, no problem, but but he's in the band. Okay, Yes, indeed

that is White Zombies Astro Creep two thousand album. Excellent albums. Play it from start to finish, don't skip anything. That is fantastic and and I loved the fact that they all jumped into a giant bowl of pudding at the end of being on The David Letterman Show when they were out promoting that album and everything's it was great, and they did you know a thing where for some stupid reason, that guy Paul who I always Paul Shaper I was always

annoyed with. But he's actually doing part of the keyboard part, you know, always joining in, just like he played, you know, the harmonica on Training of cons Sequences when Megadeth went on there. I mean, you know, come on, oh, why does Paul Schaeffer I have to get involved this weird? I saw them live on the Risk tour in Knoxville, Tennessee in a bar. Fair enough, Look, the weenie dogs are getting

restless. So I want to get around to this list. And but I can appreciate the scene you said about that concert, So let's do that. I have the list in front of me. You don't have it in front of you, right, I don't, Okay, I didn't ruze it once before and I was like, yeah, we're really gonna have to cut that apart, right, So apologies for the damn weenie dogs barking up a storm.

Now, nothing I can do about it. Sorry, guys, But anyway, let's see, let's read from this the nine best grunge singers Again. This is from a song American Songwriter dot Com and again at the title to nine best uh yeah, the nine Best Grunge Singers, it says in the articles by a Jacob ut or ut Ti whatever that is sounds like a disease uti right, urinary tract infection. Okay, Anyways. In the late nineteen eighties and nineties, grunge music was at center of popular culture. Born

in the Pacific Northwest in the then outpost of Seattle, Washington. The rock subgenre, which included dreary emotional lyrics and muddy music bereft of guitar solos, became a phenomena that is about the most generic mess you're ever gonna get for a description, and it's kind of accurate, dreary like Seattle, filled with rain and stuff boof anyway, and also fits in with the whole apathy motif we were talking about for Generation X. As a result, bands like Nirvana

and Soundgarden ruled the airwaves, along with others from the city like Pearl Jam and Alison Chains. But who were the icons of the genre and the lead singer and songwriters we that we paved that we paving the way. There's a misprint we're paving the way. I'm sure they meant. Now. Funny thing I'll dispute here before I get to the list. Alison Chains was not burning up the airwaves throughout the country. I'm sorry, not at the time.

Nowadays they are part of the classic rock They are part of any grunge, retrospects, retrospective, Seattle, airplay, whatever. They are part of rock playlists now, but this came afterwards. Initially they were not driven by airplay. I don't care what anybody tells you. They were not on the radio in New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Florida at the time. See I wasn't in Kentucky. But you know it, even when I made my trip down here to see Bill Cooper. Okay, I went from Jersey to

Georgia, and I listened to radio stations all along the way. There was no way in hell I was getting hold of an Alice in Chains airplay anywhere they were played, not even Man in the Box, which is the same thing as black Hole sun. You say Alice and Chains, and if the person says, oh, in the Box, I'm like, yeah, we're

done. Yeah, Well, and there you go. And here's the thing that would have been a radio friendly thing with the exception of one bad word in it, but I mean, other than that, it was radio friendly. And still it was relegated to maybe maybe the overnight heavy metal show yep, exactly where it was played, you know, like in New York they had heavy Metal from Hell and they had that was on k Rock, and

then they had Metal Shop and stuff like that. Metal Shop was a nationally syndicated thing, but there were different things locally where they would have We're gonna play metal because it's after dark only on Saturdays and only at two in the morning, you know kind of shows, right, or college radio stations maybe.

But Alison Chains got no airplay love at the time, and Algarden didn't get alot either, but Alison Chains was overlooked and they were the greatest that came out of there, so you know, yeah, but you could get some Sound Garden and some Pearl Jams sometimes if not, you could get Temple of the Dog, which was the same thing. There you go, and you definitely got Nirvana even though most time, yes, and most of it was smells like teen Spirit, but still you got it. Anyways, who

do they got for number one year? Kurt Cobain. Now your thoughts show disputed. Let's move on disputed, Let's move on. Wow, that was pretty quick. How about Chris Cornell at number two should have been number one? Fair enough? I will say I don't necessarily agree, but let's keep going and see where else we could agree. Number three. I don't think this guy belongs here, Eddie Vetter, Nope, shouldn't be on there. No, because he's a poor imitation. Truthfully, he's a poor imitation.

He's he's like Fis Corneil's lower register, and that is all right, and he ain't going nowhere near Lean Staley nowhere ordinary cant trail for that man who happens to be number five on the list, Jerry can Trail, which is weird to me. But yeah, what do you think of that? I think he should have been higher, possibly three behind my top three. I would have rounded up Cornell, Staley and a Can Trail right there in the

top three. There it is, I look, and I wouldn't. I might argue with Cornell a little, but let's go further and see what happens on this list and see if I can put a different number three in there. But you're number one, and two. No dispute here anyway. Mark Lanagan is number six, Mark Lantagan. That's the Screaming Trees. Gut all right, let's see you passed away Twitter the Bud Honey guy. I always

confuse those two. I just want to make sure. Let's see former front Man for the Screaming Trees and Supergroup Man season really good laugh, he is very good live. I saw The Screaming Trees in ninety six. He's very tall. I think he's dead though he was very tall. Yeah, he passed away in twenty twenty two. Yeah, complications from COVID allegedly. But yeah, anyway, here is ridiculousness. Ready for number seven Courtney Love. Courtney Love doesn't belong on that list at all. She can she can barely

vocalize when she's speaking. She has no singing voice. She has no talent. The only song that Hole ever did that I halfway liked at all with celebrity scanning. That's because Billy Corgan wrote it. No, Hey, fair enough, I got you now. Now here's where we get weird again. And I think this is just a girl power entry. Tina Bell Oh, I don't even remember who she is, Okay, so I'll just read the

entry. A local nineteen eighties star and Seattle Tina Bell and her band Bam Bam never quite got their due during their lifetime, but more recently, music fans are discovering Bell thanks to her bandmates and interested journalists trying to find out the beginnings of the solemn rocks shub genre. So here we go. This is like the mud honey, where people who are in the know and in on it early knew about her. But that's it. And I think they

just added her to try and add a female. Seriously, that have girl power, man, I mean I tell people all the time the future is female. You might as well get used to it. Now. There you go. And one thing is they show a picture here of the Bam Bam House demo nineteen eighty four, so you know, at least you can say this is probably somebody who did assist in originating the genre. Okay, I wasn't familiar with her at all the band name either, Yeah, but the

vagueness that I remember hearing her, she's not that memorable to me. It just maybe it's just me. Anyway, how about this one, number nine, here's where somebody just fell asleep at the switch and then decided, we don't even have ten of these people to put on the list. Mark Arm, Mark Arm. That is the guy from mud Honey, right, and I think he did some guest vocals with Alison Chains on the song right Turn. I believe so, But they first credit him in the band Green River,

Right. I think they later became mud Honey. Let's see, one of the original grunge groups, and his next band, mud Honey, was one of its most popular arms see now Here we Go. Mud Honey was one of those bands that again was never was, never was. But if you were supposed to be cool and really into the underground scene of the grunge, then you knew mud Honey well. And that's just all there is to that. Mud Honey was not a bad band. They were pretty good.

But yeah, they were okay. I remember them in one of the it was a Chris Farley movie. I can't remember which one, but mud Honey was in it. It was it was a black sheet and mud Honey was in there, and they were putting on a pretty good show there in that movie. Fair enough, Although I gotta say the best cameo from a band ever was I think Cannibal Corpse and ashmanter Or a Pet Detective, which was a movie I never expected to succeed at all, just based on its ridiculous

name. But Jim Carrey became a star through that ludicrous movie. And again part of our generation. This is the cultural crap we had to work with. Oh yeah, in Living Color came from our generation. Man. Oh of course, because there's how you get Jim Carrey. I mean, he was one of the originals there right, Fire Marshall Bill, yep, Fire Marshall Bill. And what else did you do on there? He did? He did a bunch of stuff. I think he played Vanilla Ice on there,

too, didn't he? He may have the I think that we could probably round that out into a top four with the list that is, with the Cornell Staley, Cantrail, Arm and the Lannigan and the rest of them shouldn't even be mentioned to me because they're not really vocalists. Yeah. See, Now, if you go to top four and you add Arm in there, Okay, okay, I'll go with with Cornell as number four in my

mind. But okay, but there you have it. You and I can narrow this down to less than half of the crap they put out, and I think they just gave up without giving us the top ten. How about that there there weren't as many as the grunge folks as there were the hair bands. It's like I said, the hair bands just kept coming out of everywhere, and as long as you had big hair and a high voice, you got it. You're in. Yeah, But there were other guys they

could have at sea. They could have logically included. You know, notice Staley. You know where where is Staley on the list? Look at it? Yeah? They put him at three. Right, let's see, let's go take a look real fast. Okay, Cobain's one, Cornell's two. No vetter is three. By the way, Look, Staley they put at number four. He don't belong at four. He belongs higher. But Cantrell and Staley together belong as one and two. You know, you can swell.

I'll say two and three because I'm Cornells. I've been a singer, and I could cover Lane Staley, and I could cover Jerry Cantrell. I couldn't follow Cornell. He was just too rangy. See I understand that. But here's the thing. Even the guy that replaced Lane Staley in Alison Janes does a technically okay job, you know, live especially I saw them live

with the with the replacement. Okay, but you know something's missing, yes, you you just and there is an intangible quality which is not necessarily about a technical skill that I did mourn the death of Lane Staley two when he

died in two thousand and two. I didn't listen to any Alison Janes for like two or three years because the circumstances of his death were just so incredibly sad to me, and I just felt that it was even though I never knew him, it felt like a loss and the way that he went was just so terrible. Well, I met him, and it didn't hurt me because I met him. It just hurt me because it hurts. It hurts. I couldn't listen to Hellis and Chains for two or three years. I'm

glad I finally got out of that. And it was the album Facelift that that broke me out. Now, this is a good nineties story about our generation. I was riding around in the nineties and with my cassette deck in my car. If Facelift was in that cassette deck, you were riding with me and you pop that cassette out, I would pull over on the side of the road and be like, put that back in or get out fair enough. But look, we're going to close it out with this, because

here's the bottom line. Bad representation. I think our generation is not understood, not our music, not our culture. I'm not sure how much culture we had, but whatever it was, it's not being memorialized or represented properly. And forget about my musical taste versus yours or versus anybody's. It's not about anyway. There is so much missing because I think just we're forgotten. We're forgotten in the equation because we didn't step up and become the congressman.

We didn't step up and take the reins in a lot of places where we could have maybe some people would say should have, And it just feels like, you know what, we just decided we're not gonna join, Like we actually dropped out a bit. We actually did the sixties day they talked about it all the time like it was just a grand thing. But then gen X came along and we actually did. Yeah, we did, just dropped out less that this is your miss Now, did we do did we do

ourselves or anybody else any favors? I don't think so. I don't think so. But I think that I think that that mankind as a whole, no matter what generation it is, as a failure. Well see there you go. See the failure rate continues no matter what your level of participation might be. And I think that's the lesson to take away from this particular session with regular Joe on the Ocelli effects. So I'm gonna leave it at that guy's no matter who you are, where you are, when you are,

remember I'm merely o'celly. Regular Joe is regular Joe. All of you are the effect. Good Night,