The Ochelli Effect 9-1-2023 Callers

We told them we're running Sorry about that, folks, We are running late, but yeah, it's Friar's Day, so we'll go to a quarter after or something, depending on what happens on the live show. So uh yeah, smoke him if you've got him. The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall Street Window dot Com and listeners like yeah, yeah, Shelly, isn't this fun? Friar's Day night? Oh Chelly Effect? And we are live if you're hearing us at about a quarter after eight pm Eastern time in what we

used to call America. Guess what, We're live, and that means you can join if you like. You can call in three one nine five two seven five zero one six. I'm not gonna keep announcing the number too much during this first segment, because uh yeah, you guys can call in, hang out and listen for a minute. But I got a little bit of a presentation to give at a certain point here, and it's probably gonna take me about fifteen minutes. So yeah, if you want to start calling in

at about eight thirty, that's probably the best time. But apparently I got a few things I gotta address, so I'm gonna address him, and before I go there or do anything else, or we get into the news, and what is news at this point? Is there any news? Did anybody interesting die lately? I know they did. You know a guy got shot at the place where I buy my cigarettes the other day. I can't remember which day was. Anyway, that guy was killed in the afternoon over here

a broad daylight apparently talked to the wrong guy's girlfriend or something. It was a personal issue. Anyway, It's what happens here in the hood, all right. So you might have tuned into some different things. I have not put out the podcast from Wednesday, Sour's Day. I ended up not getting Carmine Sabastanawan, although I was gonna He's gonna return in the coming weeks at a certain point. We got a couple other interesting broadcasts that should hit and

we're gonna get there. So anyway, it is what it is. But I did speak with Andrew Tregliatt on Wednesday about the movie Jones Plantation, so that is coming out real, real soon and the podcast will hit through the links. Oh, I changed the website up a bit. You might have noticed that. There's gonna be other changes coming up. What else happened? Oh, We did remove the get Mad stuff from the website, but more

on that later. And yeah, so there we are. But I changed the spreaker feed and put that at the top of the site, which is a little more efficient, should be a little less of a problem for people having problems downloading some of the episodes, etcetera, etcetera. And it's gonna make it a lot smoother for re releases and uh well, new stuff that's gonna come up. Also, all previously pending shows that were in development are

all canceled. What do you call it? Cult Priestis decided that I did not communicate well, so she felt that she didn't want to join the network at this time, which is her prerogative, and quite frankly, I think she was doing just fine all by herself. Didn't need it anyway, but is what it is. And yeah, she's not joining and two other projects.

I'm just clamping down and saying no. Aaron Fronze is sticking with me as he has for the past six seven years, I don't know how long now, but you know, I seem to be able to produce his two shows with no problem, and I'm going to continue to do. So we are going to expand some stuff. We got plans for Dallas, We got all kinds of things going on. But anyway, forget about all those other

updates. How many minutes did I waste on this? Already? Almost four and a half damn Friday, the first of September twenty twenty three, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and I've already wasted five minutes of your time. I'm sorry, but if you're listening to this on a podcast, you don't care, and you'll skip around anyway. So let me just ask my coast how he's doing. Be Pete, what's up? Uh? Good? Doing good. We've had a very hectic week down here in

the South with the passing of the hurricane and then tropical storm. So yeah, I've been jumping through hoops all week long. But all that's done. And hey, it's Labor Day weekend. Got a long weekend coming up. Everybody, have a happy Labor Day. If he needs a barbecue tips, send me an email, got plenty of them for you. But other than that, looking forward to a nice long weekend. You one of those barbecue guys. Seriously, you're one of those guys who tells me about the technique

and everything. No, I got a webber kettle grill. I can tell you how to cook on it, how to keep your temperature right. Other than that, should you do what you want? Well, i'll tell you what you need to teach some people how to do. It's clean the damn thing, because man, I have seen some horror shows. Good brush ladies. If anybody's listening, if you've got a guy the grills and you're looking for a good gift, a good grill brush goes is way beyond what's necessary,

so you know, always keep that in mind. Makes good stocking stuff. Or Christmas is coming, it's only what four months away? Well, wait a minute, let's see it's September, so I guess technically you got to get through September, then October, then November and most of December. Yeah, four months we can call it that. Sure, christ Mass, they're twenty fifth of December, right, that's the date of it. I think, well, yeah, and it makes a good Hanaka gift. Or

if you celebrate kwanza you know to wrap it up they got paper. I've never known anybody that celebrated Kwanza as. I've got to tell you that I've lived in some neighborhoods where you know, I was certainly the minority, and people that might celebrate Kwanza might be the majority in the neighborhood quite often. I mean, even where I live right now, I would say it's it's well mixed, if not primarily a black neighborhood. And you know what,

I don't see the Kwanza stuf anywhere. I gotta tell you, I don't know anybody that well. I guess Quanza is more low key than the commercialization of Christmas. And you know it, Honka has been around since dirt was created, so you know, yeah, it's fair enough. But I mean, you know, you go to the local stores and stuff. By the way, still, you know about now, they're probably already dropping their their Christmas stuff beginning to right, isn't that? Well, No, we got

to get through Halloween. What they're gonna do probably in the next week you'll see the Halloween stuff start coming out and in a couple of weeks start going on sale. Then they'll really cut it, like three days before Halloween. Then they'll start lining the shelves with turkeys and crap and Christmas, Thanksgiving I'll get a little sliver on the corner, but the rest of it will be Christmas balls to the wall. Cool, all right, So let's see what

else we got going on. I mean, is there anything in the news that stands out to you? I mean something you want to kick around? Because I had some audio stuff, but but quite frankly, it was so buffering I just ditched it. Well, there's this Columbus, Ohio I just referred today, and I've not really kept up. I've kept up with the

weather all week, but I really haven't heard the news that much. And apparently they took out a pregnant lady who was suspected of shoplifting and she went to pull her She was just easing her car ahead towards one of the cops. He pulls out a gun and shoot her once in the chest. Did wow, Yeah, I didn't even see that one. I've heard about it today. Columbus. That's amazing. Yeah, Columbus, Ohio. And you know it's all on bodycam footage. The family saw it the other day,

so you know they're calling for the arrest of the cop. But then again, she was moving a car at him. I don't know why they didn't pull one of the cop cars in front to keep her from pulling off. I mean, you would think that'd be a strategic thing, you'd think so. But now, well, yeah, she's in a parking lot at a grocery store. Okay. Well, you know, it's been an odd thing

lately, like shoplifting is becoming a very confrontational sport at this point. There was a couple other instances where people were accused of showplifting and people were beating them. I forget which city that was. I think it was somewhere in

Pennsylvania. I gotta tell you, it's all a blur to me. Every time I turn stuff on, it's just, uh, you know, you're either getting slammed to death with you know, Trump's indictments or well, depending on what channel you're on, maybe maybe you're listening to, uh the continuous coverage of Hunter Biden and corruption there. Either way you get that, and

then the horror stories. Uh, and they're all bent too. Uh. And the horror stories usually lately, it seems anyway you're involving shoplifting and shooting. So it's you know, it's definitely a running gun society we got right now. I don't know. No no good fast food stories lately. I guess right, no, no what special chicken sandwiches. Anybody's got to like fight over what? No celebrities. Some kid got read last week some kid

got stabbed over some kind of dipping sauce at McDonald's. Oh where was that at dipping sauce? Altercation over I think, yeah, over dipping sauce. I mean, man, anything, it's anybody who says somebody off. Nowadays, some people up. Some people are easily set off. Like I said, the guy down the street here, you know, shot this dude talking to his girlfriend. Just that's apparently the story. Thirty seven year old guy shot him right dead right at the circle, kay, And uh yeah,

you know the people working there were a little freaked out. And the course they swapped out the guys that were working at the time for some people that were clearly unhappy that they were called in. But what are you gonna do? This was in DC yeah girl, because they ordered her to be held. I think she was trying to get out on bond. Let's see,

girl charged in dipping sauce fight that led to murder in DC Hill. They ordered an evaluation of her judge said Friday that the sixteen year old girl accused of stabbing another girl to death as they fought over sweet and sour dipping sauce. It's always the sweet and sour, not the part of a c I should tell you something. Yeah, she will remain in custody. Excellent. So I'm just taking a quick look at the chat. I guess, uh, phase is digging the idea of to us talking about grilling. I don't

know if I'm gonna do any grilling this year. It's you know, meat is expensive, man, It's it's rough. I you know, somebody said they're gonna grill drumsticks. I think there was a sale on wings somewhere recently caused the stampede at one of the stores locally, actually, But outside of that, I mean, I don't even know what the hell I would grill at this point. The hamburger. Meat is too expensive, especially if you're

going over to somebody else's house and you're bringing something. You know, because that used to be a kindness people would do, uh, you know, where you you bring something to the barbecue, But here we go, you know you're gonna bring hamburger, especially if somebody's got a dirty grill, needs that brush beat Pete was talking about. I don't want to I don't want to waste you know, twenty dollars worth the hamburger to have somebody, uh just put it on their dirty, dirty grill. I mean, some dirty

grills might add for well, but they don't look like it usually. Yeah, dirty grills, you know, you can. You can cure a dirty grill just by you know, getting you a good flame going and cook that crap off of there. If that's the only method you got. But yeah, you gotta have a clean grill. People need to take care of the grills. I always thought that the simple wire brush was the best methodology.

I mean, just just the wire brush would have use, you know, something broad enough that you can use your whole hand and not you know, cramp up on it because you're gripping on a small handle and that's it. You know. Oh, I've got one that's shaped. I mean it's not accid an average size handle, but it's it's got a triangle coming from the handle, and the wire brush is in the shape of the triangle, so in turn the sideways and get between stuff. Otherwise you lay it flat,

you know. You're covering a good four and a half five inches as you go, so it's quick, it's easy, does great job, and a lot of people don't think before you grill. Just go get a can of the cheap cooking the spread and get your grill with it, and half that crap just comes right off. Yeah, but there's almost no such thing as cheap cook and spray anymore. You know, everything's so damn expensive. Is not bad. You know, a couple of books. I can't get along

grills out of Canada. I used to see it at two bucks, you know, but I don't see uh pan spray or whatever. You know, what do they used to cause a pan? Yeah, they caught a pan like like a woman's name, right. Yeah. I get the food line brand and it's like two forty nine or something. Yeah. Well, then then again, I'm in the hood, so you know, the piggy wiggly gotta rip everybody off because there there ain't you know, not too many grocery stores you can walk to. Well, missus over how much junk a lard

and wipe it down? Yeah, that'll help to missus. Oh, how much do they charged for a damn cannon? That's spray stuff. You know that you spray. Damn. Well, if you go to Piggy Wiggly, it's like Clive sixty nine or something like that, and see six almost six bucks. But if you go to Kroger or Walmart, it's like, I don't know, three dollars, there's still three bucks over there. Yeah, because I know what the Piggley Wiggly price is, like six dollars, I'm

like, you know what, I'll just spin on it. I can't. Wiggly has gotten expensive on some stuff lately. I've noticed it. Yeah, well, because well that's because we keep a bottle of Bottive oil around. Anyway, I just wanted to stop you since you were walking in handing me a drink, which I really appreciate because I even though I tried to bring a drink in, I didn't bring a big enough drink, So thank you. Anyways, But yeah, six dollars almost huh oh yeah, well,

you know all right, I'll talk to you a little bit anyway. Let me get back to the radio show. I'm being rude to the to the radio audience. I'm gonna move to have fun. BP you wouldn't move to have fun. Yeah, after this work week. It's been. I mean, really, we had some issues we had to deal with. But other than that, did y'all get much from the store? Uh? Yeah, a little bit? You know, it was a little little disruptive. We had some like you know, power flickering issues, this kind of thing.

And it definitely got hot, which is another thing. I don't know. Seems like my personal air condition is not working too good and I can't figure out why. Actually, you know what you did? Well? Can you can you fix that? Please? I'm again talking over my shoulder. I'm sorry about that guy. But we're gonna we're gonna have some fun tonight. I got a story to tell and I think it's gonna be educational, So I'm gonna get into that in a little bit, but I definitely want to

clear away all the other news and other thoughts. The grill, of course, Uh, best way to go. And again, a little dash of olive oil does a lot for a lot of things, right, So it's always always good to have that around. But you know, some people don't keep that in their kitchens. So what are you gonna do anyway, be Pete, anything else you got in mind there? I mean, outside of this what do we got a shooting for a pregnant lady where they thought he

was shoplifting. Uh, I mean, I don't know what the hell else is going on, but it's all well, I mean, other than our our commander in chief showing more signs of Alzheimer's, are there different stages of Alzheimer's or so you just have it or not? No? No, no, no no no, you deteriorate slowly. I mean like Mitch McConnell's now freezing up more often too. He saw that this week, right, Well, well, yeah, but he is. I mean, he had an

actual he had a pretty serious concussion, so I can see that. But I didn't know if there's like actual specific stages in Alzheimer's, because I think, you know, it's pretty clear, Biden, is you know something? But there's plenty of scientific research that shows the concussions of all sorts lead to

way longer lasting issues. And as somebody who's sick, couple, definitely, And but mcconnell'sfinately, did you see McConnell freeze up at that press conference though he was totally out of it, I mean completely, yeah, you know, and that's not the yeah, I mean it's well, will you look at you look at him, you look at all right, Diane Feinstein, she comes back after what did they say? She had pneumonia or something, but she was out or some kind of lung infection or chest us. Anyway,

she was out for months. You know. She thinks she never went anywhere. She's been at work the whole time. Yeah, he's had issues from his stroke, and there's more of them. I bet Nadler and a few others are starting to show some signs. We just haven't seen them in front of a microphone experience in it. I mean, we've got a lot of old people in the House and the Senate well exactly, I mean getting

rid of grastly. I don't understand what he's saying part of the time, okay, And I don't know if it's just that he forgets to take a drink, but his throat sounds so dry it makes my throat uncomfortable listening to him talk, you know, And he didn't always sound like that. Not all these guys are always completely broken down. Let's see Biden's way gone.

It seems McConnell's been gone forever. Two. Yeah, both I think they're comparable to the problem that we see, except that you know, Biden mumbles a bit, and I think part of that is due to his stuttering thing. But but of course there's more going on there. And then McConnell, Yeah, sure, he had a concussion, but I mean, you know, if he's not recovered, he's not recovered. And if he's you know, look, man, well here's a question. Here's you brought up,

Biden, and I gotta ask and get your opinion on. But here's a question we kick around later if we got nothing to talk about. The Biden here lately heat down. Over the course of his career, he has told some whoppers. I mean, he's really made some statements that when they were actually checked just you know, there's no way in hell that could have happened. He's come up with some good ones here lately, and I'm just wondering why is the media giving him such a pass on these things that he says

that are blatantly not true. I mean, like this past week at twenty one, he's supposedly talk Strong Thurman into voting for the Civil Rights Act. Well, Strong Thurman didn't vote for the Civil Rights Act. I back in sixty five. There was one in what eighty seven or something when they were changing rules about notifying for changes in voting districts or something like that that he voted for. But I mean, to come up and make statements like this,

it's just when is it? When is somebody gonna finally call him out on this crap? I don't know, because I'll tell you that's a funny one because if he indeed was able to talk Strong Thurman into voting for the Civil Rights Act in sixty five, I'd be impressed. I mean, that would be an impressive feat. Unfortunately, history don't match, right, you

know, and this is the example. But this is the problem. Look, they went through a time period where they had Trump up there, and Trump would say stuff that was probably wrong and false, and you know, anything from and I mean, I could just go with the silly stuff like you know, the airplanes during you know, George Washington's time and whatnot, stuff like that, Right, we could go with the silliness there, but

also Trump kept goating them and he was good for ratings. If they start picking on Joe, this is the only logic I've got for it, because even Fox doesn't beat up on him. For it, right, It probably doesn't engage with the viewers, right. I mean, there's a certain segment that are going to be like, you know what, you could just say

the most awful things. They don't have to be true, and you can just say, you know, you can just go crazy time and there's gonna be certain people that love it. But I think that Joe is so non combative with the media usually that it'll just look like they're just picking on him. It's not a fight, you know what I mean, It's just picking on the old man. And I think they don't want to come off like

that because at the end of the day, it's a business. You get good traction out of the call and respe wants with Trump because you can pretend that you're against him and yet keep him on your screen twenty four seven. You know what I mean. You can cover every single one of his moves. Here's his motor kid, here's this, here's the place he's gonna be

staying at. What's the jail cell? I mean, I had to hear for a week and a half more than I ever heard living in the state of Georgia for I don't know, five six years now about Fulton County's jail. Because it's Trump, right, They'll cover where he's going, they'll cover who he could possibly be talking to. He is an endless supply of love him or hate him material for them to engage with. Is Biden as interesting No, so picking on him might just come off as they're just picking on

the old man. It might derive sympathy for him. I mean, it's much like the stupidity of you know, let's let's try and make Trump look as bad as possible over complex things that most people don't even understand and things that are contentious among the public. Let's do that. What they've done, at the end of the day, really is increased his levels of support, increased his ability to fundraise. That's the real result from what they've done to

prey on Biden, though might in some way, I don't know. I don't know what the result of that would be. Like, I can see the equation with Trump. I can see the equation with some of these other

people. I can see that Chris Christy, notice how unlikable he has no matter what he does, told you, you know, I can see those equations, But I don't know what would happen if the big bad wolf of the news media started picking on him really, which is why I don't even think Fox wants to sit there and really bang on him for everything he says. I mean, lots of his stories wind up not making sense if if you can sit through him and not fall asleep yourself. You know, yeah,

my dad told me he looks sweetie. I don't know anybody who's a male that their dad was calling him sweetie. By the way, that's always as are creepy sounding thing coming out of his mouth. I don't know if anybody's ever commented on that, but you ever noticed that every time his dad is talking to him sweetie honey? What dad do you know? Especially you know, I mean, look, I guess if your dad was like, I don't know, big fan of Rue Paul's drag race or something, maybe

maybe you'd be calling everybody sweetie, honey, dear. Maybe. But if you're like just the regular dude and you're calling your son sweetie, I've never seen that in my whole life. I've been in many parts of the country, many parts of the world, and I'll tell you I don't I don't know if you know that's weird. You might call your daughters sweet families to mention, but I mean just saying that you don't you want to get into

what you don't want to get it. I'd really like to know what he calls his daughter, be curious to know what took place her in a few showers that were mentioned in her diary. No, I don't want to know. Yeah, that's just a's a weird family man. You can't from the daughter, I mean all of them. There's just something wrong there. Yeah, right, But again, it's not like we haven't seen this elsewhere too. Anyway. I don't want to keep going back and forth about it all

that, but it's just creepy time to me. Just begins and ends with you're calling your son sweetie honey, and you're telling me that your dad calls you honey and sweetie. And it's like, are you a wearing a dress during this scenario? This is odd anyway. I mean, I you know, it's just like in the South, right, what a dude? Look?

In the South, you go to stores, you deal with clerks, right, probably if you go out to stores every day, probably three out of every seven days, if you deal with a female clerk, she's gonna call you Shug, Right, that's gonna happen. But now, if you walked into a store and I was your clerk and uh, and I said what can I get for you, Shug, and you didn't look at me and find me having you know, a bunch of nail polish and some fake eyelashes on and crap. Right, you'd be like, oh, what is

going on with this guy? You'd be taken aback by me saying it there are I don't know, I'd probably laugh picturing you saying that, as opposed to you know, somebody else, but you don't think about it. You got some guy you know's got a death Metal T shirt on, his hair pulled back. You know it could use a shave, maybe because it's three days since he last shaved. You was gonna get you anything? She'll yeah, i'd probably laugh that mess Usually me. I mean, I wouldn't go

to work like that if I was working with the public. I mean, you know, I'd at least shave. The rest of it could be true. You could be you know, you could be working at the place where your guy got shot. Oh, that brings up another one. We had a shooting at the University of North Carolina. Yes, you did know,

No guns own Haven. Chinese doctorate assistant or something got shot by one of his students, and it took them a while to lock that guy down because I saw there were constant live alerts and they were trying to shut down the whole area around the campus. There was a bit of a bit of a

minute there where I wasn't sure they were going to capture them. Yeah, so, well they knew they I thought eventually they would because several of the people they called in gave the guy's name when they called in nine one one because they saw it happen and it was in some lab. They've shut down the lab till further or noticed. School was shut down all this week. Classes were canceled, so they'll probably get back big guns on Tuesday after the

holiday. Fair enough. So anyways, I mean, you got you got some more news you want to get into or did anybody else have a possible mk ultra stroke moment on TV you want to cover or should we move on to other things? No, we can move on. That's just like I said, I haven't watched much news this week at all, solve in the weather stuff. Yeah, well, there was a lot of the weather bombardment too, and then of course some discussions about Maui here and there. But

I think that's going to disappear from the news feeds really quick. Of course, that's not going to disappear from the debris in front of people that are actually there. I will say, Maria Heller gave me a different way to look at it. I didn't realize that that was actually like the poor section that really burnt up bad there. But would that be? I mean, because it's hard for me to picture a poor section in Hawaii. Uh.

You know. An odd example of that is, you know there's two states in the Union where you have full service gas, right and where gas attendants have to pump it for you. And in Hawaii, almost all of the gas stations there are also full service, simply because the population there demands it. It's very expensive to live in Hawaii, you know. It's sort of like being poor in New York City means that you still got about triple the

income I've got and can't afford to live there. You know, remember back in the day when they used to run like Dominoes or pizza hut commercials, and they would always have in type on the screen prices higher in Alaska and Hawaii. Yep. And they don't see that anymore in a lot of ads, but just be on all the advertising. Yeah yeah, yeah, but see that was true also. But I think, you know, we've gotten a lot more global about shipping and stuff, and it used to be difficult.

You had to ship supplies to Alaska and Hawaii, which was you know, immensely more difficult than sending it to one of the contiguous fifty I mean forty eight. Excuse me. But the thing is, I mean it's easier to send it to Lower Canada than it is to send it to Alaska. It's just a further trip. So as per usual, anything with more transportation is going to add to the cost. But no, and that's the other

thing is you'll see coupons. These coupons are you know, usable in every state except right a couple of places, like like gasoline coupons are illegal in New Jersey. See, I know a lot of stuff about gas stations because I ran gas stations and convenience stores. But anyways, I guess, I guess we got a couple of other network updates to get to so I'm gonna get to those. Maybe we'll take a break before we get to those, talk about what's going on with the network, a couple of changes that are

taking place, a couple of things coming up. I mean, I'm getting more and more happy about the idea that we're going to Dallas. Got to say, I'm looking forward to that because this is where we're going to turn things around. There's going to be a special sub event along with the Lancer

Conference for the tenth anniversary of the o'chelli effect. So you know, we got a few people that are going to be there that are attached to the network in one way or another, especially myself and b Pete because we're going on the road trip together to get there in the first place. I'm told that nature Boy is going to join us there. We shall see who else.

Mike Swanson, Larry Hancock should be there, barring any problems, of course, and there's a possibility of a couple of surprise guests that are gonna show. Plus a couple of people from Texas have said they're just gonna come down there to hang out with us for the day or something, have lunch or a beer or something. I don't know how that's gonna work out. Maybe we'll figure it out, get you in on the student price at the conference or something so you can get in, or maybe I can add you

as my Seeing I person. You know, I'm legally allowed one of those at any public event, right like in every state. I mean, you know, I don't like to call attention to my handicap, but what the hell. If I can get a free admission for somebody, or a free bus ticket or something, I do it, or you know, reduced price, so what the hell. But yeah, so we're gonna have to get to all that stuff. I did it, Like I said, I had some audio stuff set up, but I listened to it myself and decided it

was not worthy of the discussion. Quite Frankly, I'm going to do a solo show at some point discussing how it is we've been programmed to be connected to a piece of land and an identifying marker and a spot on a map, and it's not something by choice, even though we embrace it. I mean, it's sort of like, why are you a Mets fan, Chuck Well? Because I grew up in New Jersey and I was close to that major League team. H Well, why would you stay attached to that?

The guys have changed. Everything else has changed, the uniforms that even changed a bunch. I mean, why are you so attached to that? Well, maybe I have an answer to some of that stuff. Why it is that we own and I do it all the time. I always own Jersey. I love the fact that I'm from Jersey, and it is a defining piece of my character because there's an endocrine system that gets developed psychologically when you're

from a certain area, you're exposed to similar things. But I gotta tell you, I don't think that's as big of an identifier as a lot of people want to make it out to be, especially not now. We're very disconnected from our neighborhoods and stuff. But I think there's actually a more insidious piece of the plan that gets you tied to things that really aren't even your concern where all of a sudden, I mean, you know, as kids, stupidly, you defend your block, you defend your neighborhood, and this

kind of thing. Maybe maybe it's just the Jersey thing, and I don't know it's so I'm going to discuss it publicly on a solo show at some point, but that was part of what I was going to do tonight, and I decided this is too boring. I got other things I could cover, and I'm making changes with the network, and some of them were not my choice, but they happened, and I'm gonna have to cover those and a couple of things, you know what, with a little bit of reevaluation,

a little bit of reorganization. I got to thank people that turned around and decided to bail on the network and such, because you've actually done me a great favor and I didn't know it, didn't know it at the time, but a lot of things have happened this week. I didn't have a lot of shows. I've got a couple of jobs I got to do. But we're gonna roll back into things in a little different way coming up.

Aaron Franz still sticking with me, so, you know, somehow or other, I've managed not to engage in a fight with him, but apparently I got to answer a couple of questions about maybe why some things happen. So I'm gonna do that in the next segment, but be pete before we go there, and again ask for calls which I'm not going to ask for him again until I tell you guys a little story and I think it'll be educational

and hopefully entertaining in the next segment. But before we go there on any of that, be Pete, is there anything we gotta get to here on this Friday as far as you're concerned? We In fact, if you wanted to go ahead and take that break, I'll go put on some coffee, all right, how about you do that? Be Pete's gonna go put on some coffee again if you go outside to smoke, smoke them while you got

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Revelation through Conversation segment number two of the Live Friday night open mic on Ocelli dot Com The Ocelli Effect. So here we are anyway, I barely did any shows this week, I gotta tell you, and I spend a little time working on a couple of different things changed up, some stuff changed, some plans, and uh, you know, finalized a couple of things that needed to be finalized. So I took care of that this week, and next week we're gonna have a lot more going on. Shally, you'll

be with us now. He was actually kept off due to the weather, So you're gonna hear from Andrew Shalli, the guy who used to host Cold Reality News all that good stuff. Regular Joe will be returning. I'm gonna try and get Carmine Sabastano in. There's a couple of other people that want to record at me during the day or earlier where I used to have timeslots that were filled and are no longer filled. So I'm gonna be able to do some earlier in the day recordings that I wasn't able to do before,

So that's gonna happen. Also, might hear from a couple of publishers. I got a few things in the works. There regarding some audio stuff that I'm supposed to do and hopefully that pays off. Now I do know that I've got one little piece of contract work that I now no longer know who to give it to, Which was funny because I got this in the midst of a little weird online feuding thing that was kind of going on on Twitter, and I could I could use somebody that knows how to work with a

script for documentaries. I don't mind giving them some technical advice on a couple of things, but I'm not a script guy. I understand theatrical blocking for plays and stuff. I don't know how you write scripts for TV shows anyway. There there's some subcontractor that works for Discovery somehow or the Discovery Network.

I know that there. Their checks don't bounce, they don't pay a lot, their checks don't bounce, and currently they're not able to use regular writers that they would use that are in the union or whatever at the moment. But so they don't need somebody to write, but they need some kind of help, and uh, yeah, I don't know how to do it. I'm not a writer. So anyways, I got that going on, but

it is what it is. And uh, so I guess we'll we'll get to the not the elephant in the room, but the the the oddity. A couple of people ask me what happened? Why is it that get Mad is no longer on, etc. So I guess I'll explain that real fast, but I got to kind of go the long way around it because quite frankly, I'm a little confused. But anyway, let's see now two fridays ago. Yeah, two fridays ago is where I think this started, which, by the way, be pete before I get into this. Is there

anything else you want to cover real quick? Or should we just move on with this? Okay, go ahead and jump right in. And I also have no callers, so anyway, the number is three one nine five two seven five zero one six if you want to join three one nine five two seven five zero one six. If not, I've got material to cover, and I do have some audio stuff if I want to play it. But I don't want to do the clip thing right at the moment because it's just

the concept I had didn't come together right. So I can do better just by talking to you. So anyway, I'm gonna ask a couple of questions of your b Pete, So you know, stick around, don't don't totally walk away from your mic. Okay, sure, but mostly I'm gonna tell this story. So, like two weeks ago, two Fridays ago, that was towards the end of the of this show, this call in show on a Friday, there was this dispute between Chris and b Pete a bit,

which is set off a couple of things. Now, First of all, everybody wanted to tune in the next week and hear this debate between the two of them regarding Building seven, which quite frankly, I sort of stand on the side that Chris is on, but I entertain people that oppose me.

So I'm sitting there going, well, yeah, you gotta make a reasonable argument about things like building seven or demolition or you know, why is it that we have problems with what people witness versus what the official story is. And anybody that tells me they buy the official story of nine to eleven, I say, Okay, that's cool, and I want to know who ties your shoes, because I don't think you're really thinking if you buy the entire

story. I don't think you're thinking. I don't think you studied it, I don't think you understand what went on there. I don't think it's plausible that the entirety of the official story is true. Stand with the idea and believe that even an objective person who wants to believe the official stories would have to agree with the basic statement that John Gold makes about well, we were lied to about nine to eleven. One way or another. You'd have to

buy that. Why do I say it? Because after all, even if you go for the aftermath, and when they told people it was safe to go back in there, and Christy Todd Whitman, for the former governor of New Jersey, was telling people as head of the EPA, it's all good. She was lying to you. Clearly. That's why people have exotic lung diseases today. I mean, even if you go with the minimalist idea what happened here, something is strange and a lot of legend has been built.

I mean, I just saw the other day that on some TV station they were rerunning Flight ninety three, the movie. A whole lot of stuff in there that they had to fabricate, because even if the absolute official story is true, they had to fabricate a lot of filler there. I mean, you know, they didn't have eyewitness testimony, they didn't have physical evidence to back up a ton of things that they represent in that movie and the comic book that the government put out, you know, because they put out a

comics version of the nine eleven Commission report. All that's true, But if you're going to attack that, you gotta stand on a certain ground and you gotta come back with a certain amount of evidence. So I wanted Chris to have that opportunity to do it. He got fed up and said something to be Pete like, okay, never mind, you win, to which B Pete got pissed off. And you know what this is. I've had these incidents with B Pete a few times myself. One time, be Pete hung

up on this show. Didn't come back because of something I said, and it was probably a flippant remark, and he doesn't take well to us. But anyway, after the show, and I'm now going to reveal something that was off air, B Pete though, I mean, unless you really want to stop me, I'm gonna tell him what happened after that show. You cool with us? Well, yeah, I'm fine. I just you know, I'd like, you know, to throw my two cents in there at

this point. You know, I've talked to Chuck Off flying about I told him, I said, you know, anything that was part of that discussion, they've crossed any hate and discontent I've apologized for. But yeah, he made a flippant remark and I felt like he was just, I don't know, kind of dismissing the fact that, oh, I just didn't want to you know, I want the argument because I didn't want to do it. No, that's really not what was behind it. But you know, Okay,

well that's fine. I'm sorry, you know, if it caused any heartburn, but well I'm only gonna deal with so much heartburn from an individual. Well, this is where my supposition comes in, because I'm not sure if this is what started the actual problem, but feels right. So this is this is some of my extrapolation from events. I think this is what started part of a problem. But but you you didn't cause this, so

no need to apologize. But here's the thing, both of you, my estimation, neither one of you acted properly or correctly here or in the smoothest way. There was definitely contention there, and you have a tendency to pop off at people when you get mad. I know this very well. Okay, it happened to me. I don't blame you for it, but it's

not always the best listen, okay. And I've told you that before, and I've said this to you for that, and it's not really the best thing to hear when you know, like when you and Glenn were yelling at each other the one night, kind of stuck to hear it because the two of you're talking over each other suck. Now. That happened to be the main focus of what BP got mad about that night, not really Chris,

although Chris pissed him off. He was kind of mad at the fact that we've had a problem for a while with too many people jumping over each other on phone calls where I leave everybody on the line, and that's a little weird. He shouldn't always leave everybody on the line. Regular radio shows, you know, you usually got a rush to get your points out because you're gonna get just went dead. So I just went dead. You just went dead. It cut out. That's all to you. Now you're back,

okay. Well, I was saying on a regularly. And also Jimmy meant Jimmy said it in the room too. So that's why when you win side and I figured you win sidling on a couple of people because he was oh said it was breaking up. Okay, so continue, no, no problem, I'm gonna I'm going to continue. But here's what I'm doing is I'm making sure to restart the encoder so that we're definitely broadcasting, because I don't

want I don't want this cut off anyway. As I was saying, Bpete actually got more mad at a consistent problem we were having on the show, and that consistent problem was that I leave people on the lines a long time. And we've done this on all the shows on the network, where we take a call or we leave them there, mostly unless the host, which, by the way, the host is always in control of their show. Nowadays that's only really Aaron at this point and uncle. But that's where we're

getting to on this story eventually. But quite honestly, the host determines they want to have somebody on, keep them on whatever, and everybody's kind of gone along with this methodology that I used, which has let everybody be on there and if we are all you know, common, respectable and take our turns, then it all works out. But because we're all communicating at a distance through these certain facilities that don't allow two micro phones to mix in at

the same time, we're really only allowed one speaker at a time. And that's just the technical issue. And Beepete was very angry at the fact that it felt like he's always getting cut off, and he was he was actually correct, But I've been frustrated with it and not really sure how to deal with it. I like the idea that we have the open discussion. I wanted to try and do it that way, but clearly I can't, not with the existing technology. So until I upgrade to a system that allows us

a full mix where everybody's mic is equally powerful. Except the course, I have the god switch, I have the kill switch, unless we get to that point, because I do have the kill switch for everybody. But you know, here we go. If if I have everybody open, I either have to cut him off or they have to restrain themselves, and they also have to restrain their noise because your noises could bleed over somebody trying to speak,

and you're gone. Anyway, Beepete made a lot of good points, but he was pretty angry, and I think he took about twenty minutes venting about this. To me, would that be about accurate to you your memory? Yeah, maybe twenty five. It was close to thirty probably I was gonna say that, but I was trying to be I'm always trying to be conservative on these estimates. Keep that in mind as I go through with this story. Yeah, so twenty to thirty minutes, and you ranted, And

what did I say? Basically, you know what'd be Pete, You're right, I've got to get more control over this there. It's been too sloppy. I've had people say I would call in, but you know what the problem is, I won't get a word in edgewise. And that's the other impression that's not allowing us to attract new callers because not the fault of the caller, mind you, it's my fault because I'm not taking control of this situation. So I said, you know what, I got to think about

this. I got to come up with a new way to take control of the situation. Now. In the meantime, I'm thinking that also the following week, I'll be able to return to this situation with Chris and be Pete put them both on, let them have a debate, and that wasn't gonna happen. Chris pretty much said to me, I'll paraphrase, I'm feeling sick. I don't want to bother with this, and I don't want to argue with somebody who talks to me like that. Blah blah, okay, fare

no point, no problem there. Okay, we're gonna skip over that. But I didn't say anything. I just said, Okay, great, that's fine. We don't have to do that anyway. I'll come up with something else because I need to change the whole program anyway. Didn't me a favor there. I said, all right, I don't have to now try and figure out how to host the nine to eleven debate, because really what I

need to do is revamp the Friday call in show. And I would do this for four hours on Fridays. I would do this for five hours on a Friday if it was not exhausting, and if it was not problematic, and if we had more phone callers. So I simultaneously want to figure out a way to bring in more callers I want to bring on more variety. I want to move things along better. And I came up with this idea of five or fifteen minutes of fame. You get on for five minutes,

you can make your points. We'll try and not molest your time as best we can. And you know, maybe you get brought back three times, but maybe not. Now that's a better deal than you get on most terrestrial radio stations. Usually on a terrestrial radio station, you got to try and get it out there. And oh, by the way, if you run up against the commercial break, you're very lucky if that host doesn't just cut you off after thirty seconds of speaking until you try again tomorrow or the next

week, and you just only got thirty seconds of time. Some of them will keep you over. I'll hold you over to the commercial. You're like thanking them for that after that, because nobody puts up with anybody talking on as long as I do. Now. Granted I was also keeping people on hold a long time, but that was only a recent problem. Anyway, this is almost not relevant to the changes that come up, except then I think this put a bad taste in Chris's mouth. Now, apparently he had

some other negativity toward me, which he decided to vent on me. And I'll keep that to myself because he shared that privately, and even though I'm a horrible human being according to what he said to me, and obviously way more toxic than I ever thought I was. I mean, I always said I must be toxic and that he's a more likable guy than me, and

I said those things to him privately and he turned them on me. But outside of that, I would say, you know what, Yeah, fine, you're right, you know what, I'm just one of these guys that I mean, I do not have a big opinion to myself anyway. I

got a very negative ego about myself anyway. I don't think much of myself, So fair enough whatever, I'll even give you all those points, whatever it is you got to say there anyways, So I think he got a negative something matter that and was in a bad mood and was also telling me he couldn't breathe he was sick, and he's been sick like that a punch as of late, and I think a bunch of times anyway, details of his problems, I'm not going to give you those, that's up to him.

I'm sure there'll be some response to this somewhere, so he'll say what he's got to say, and he'll turn it any which way he's got to turn it. But anyway, he had recently done some movie shows and he wanted me to play a bunch of clips, eight nine clips whatever. Some

of them were long, some of them were unnecessary. Some of them make it hard for me to be able to monetize if I ever turn around and try and monetize any of this, because this copywritten material that he's bringing in, there's a bunch of music that comes along with movie soundtracks, whole bunch of complications and unnecessary and oh, by the way, if you go over to YouTube, there's plenty of these movie tribute things that are in a visual

for him, that are usually done a hell of a lot better than what we're going to be able to accomplish over here on Ocelli dot Com without a script, without a visual element, and also with maybe somebody not playing things out too well. Because here's the thing we go through Jaws for, we go through a couple of other things we dittributes to some comedians, and some of those things I found value in, But again I don't try and control

anybody's content. You do what's your show, what you want if you're up here with me, and I try to facilitate it as best I can. So on that Friday, the next Friday, because the whole week went by and Chris was not feeling well during that week, I guess he was able to make the some shows, wasn't able to make it to others, but didn't make it to too many of the ones here except he wanted to do a back to the future retrospective on Friday. That's what I'll call it,

but I don't know if that's what he would call it. Whatever, I'm not releasing that pot. If he wants a copy of it, he can have it, but I don't think it's very much value to him. So whatever it is, what it is, it exists, but I don't know if anybody's ever going to hear it. Anyways. What does he do day

before is he sends me And these are not exaggeration numbers. These are fairly precise nineteen audio clips which I have to take, record, label and put in the proper order, and then play them based on his cues during his show, and try and facilitate his ability to go in and out of these clips and make this happen. This is normal procedure, except that I've never

had anybody. Total time that I worked with Jack Blood show, I would say that there was about maybe that amount of clips outside of like his intros and outros, that he might have given me nineteen clips over the course of a year to do. But Chris gave me nineteen for one show, which by the way, also timed out to fifty three minutes plus. Now I said to him in a skype comment, I said, do you really need all nineteen of these clips, to which he said back, okay, if

you're gonna give me a problem, never mind. I just wanted to have fun. But you know, whatever the problem is. And then all this time I said, okay, look, look, I'm gonna go do this.

But I was just asking a question, and in fairness, I was asking a question as a producer because the target of his show was to try and get it done in an hour to an hour and a half, and he's given me fifty three minutes of clips, and those fifty three minutes of clips now have to be combined with him talking in and out of them, him taking a break, maybe him giving his intro an outro, right, And I know that any small clip that he's ever done, because I keep

track of the clock, because I'm supposed to be producing the show. You know, I'm not just a moron sitting here doing nothing. I know that he talks a minimum of four minutes. So if you imagine that, you got to put four minutes in between nineteen clips at fifty three plus minutes. And by the way, that was the lower estimate. It's probably a little higher. It's probably about an hour's worth of clips, and then you gotta

do let's just call it, eighteen segments at four minutes apiece. Well, you've now just run over two hours if you do all of the clips and you assume four minutes in between each one, and if not, you got to strictly time this. But I was a bad guy for asking that, and then he started commenting on Facebook and a few on the pot maybe I am asking too much obviously, so I can't have fun with my little show, okay, But I recorded all nineteen of them, labeled them all and

had him ready. Then I had to reboot my router, and I was a couple of minutes late getting to him probably irritated him also, so all he wants to know when we connect on Skypei, are you mad at me? I'm very calmly, very succinctly said, you know what you're telling me, you're sick. I hear you breathe and heavy. I don't want to talk about this right now, to which he felt he had the right to start growling and yelling at me like that. This now pissed me off a

little. But you know what, I did nothing. I said, you know what, do you want to do your show or not? I'm here to do it. I'm ready to go. If you want to bag it, we can bag it. You want to go, we can go. You tell me, that's what we'll do. Keeping a calm head about this and not barking back at a guy who's yelling at me, okay, because wouldn't have been fair, I think, to cause somebody who was telling me

they were stressed and couldn't breathe to fight with him. And I even asked at some point, I said, am I that kind of an a hole that is going to argue with a guy who's clearly stressed out? And I should have known right when he gave me the reaction of I don't know, then I knew what I was then dealing with. So anyway, without playing the clips, and I could play clips from his show, but I didn't

set any of those up. I didn't prepare them, so that preparation I didn't bother to prepare it because I don't want to run this into the ground. As a matter of fact, I want to finish this whole discussion tonight if I can. But I got a feeling it's not going to finish there, and it's too funny as to why it doesn't finish. Anyway, we

did this show, he was gone. That was that, and then I said when I went to my Friday show, and he was obviously still upset about the situation, kind of butchered his own show, so I don't know what the hell's going on whatever, didn't even speak after one of his clips finished playing. So I popped on my mic, said do you want me to play to the next clip, Chris? And you know you're go ahead,

And that's all recorded. That part of it is. I wish i'd recorded more of it because then I could prove that what I'm saying is you know, true, instead of you know, somebody just making up stories. But this is what went on. So I'm figuring the guy's upset, he needs to cool off. I'm gonna let it go, so I said on my Friday show at the beginning, Look, I don't want to talk about what happened with Graves. We're not doing the thing from last week. So

it's just gonna be what it's gonna be. Let's move on. Well, unbeknownst in me, missus O in the chat room, when ask what happened with Chris, said that he had some sand in his vagina. Now, I didn't authorize that. I don't control that. And by the way, if you think you can control a woman, I mean, I don't know what country you live in, but as far as I know, American women

my whole lifetime control what they say. If you get one of those, I mean, you know, even a battered wife will usually tell you to go screw yourself. You know, at some point, I got no control over this. I wasn't even in the chat room. But apparently that really said him more so he messaged me a couple of times during the show and

whatnot, and that was the end. Of days right there. Oh. One other additional to this, though, is that missus O called in during the break and we were not on air, and she had a few things to say to it. I kept saying, look, let's not discuss this in front of anybody. Let's not do this, because obviously I ranted in my own home, in my privacy by myself, and by the way, she might have been quoting me about the sand in the vagina, but I

don't think so. I don't think she heard me because I might have said something like that in the middle of a tirade because I was pissed off that this guy has the nerve to yell at me when what did I do to him? Nothing? Nothing, Okay. I was there to facilitate his podcast. I was calm. I was refusing to engage, even with him yelling at me and talking to me like, you know what, I'm some kind of a guy that you that you're you're intimidating me, You're you're trying to

intimidating me, intimidate me. Which which you which you're you're, you're you're I don't know what, well, okay, whatever, But I tried to just take it like, look, man, Just cool off, go get your head together. I'll talk to you when you're calm. But he didn't get calm because he stayed angry over the sand in the vagina. He considered

it an attack his words, uh, you know. And after a few things being said on Twitter and whatnot, and then some snide remarks about you know, the various people that he's always got to defend me, you know two and everything else, I finally started to respond to him on Twitter like, Okay, go ahead, have your little childish rants. You're childish, You're you're the guy with the Sandy guys. So I'm just gonna block you, Sandy guy. Meanwhile, I'm not even the one who said it,

missus oh said it. I don't control her. I wouldn't want to control a woman, but you know, even if I could, I mean, I mean, you know, pimps and dudes that run colts control women. But other than that, I don't know. Maybe it's just because I'm from Jersey. Well anyways, I'm not sure about that, but I am sure about this. That the sand and the vagina thing. I found kind of funny that that was the thing that set him on. I didn't say that

in public. But it was like, Wow, that's that's what it takes for you to basically say to hell with somebody who's supposed to be your friend. That right there, And by the way, she tried to apologize to him and whatnot, and he just kept making snide remarks about how I'm a failure and go ahead and sell some more hats and take another poll about how you're gonna you know, which is fine, dude. I'm a failure, I'm a pos whatever, I'm garbage, I'm a walking piece of filth.

Lovely, lovely. I am so happy to note that that's exactly what you thought of me, that you took pity upon me, that I needed friendship from you, as fake as it was, apparently, because the whole time I was clearly just such a terrible person who did so many any terrible things to you. Now I'd love to know what they are. I think you'd have to imagine them. But outside of just you know, putting this out straight for what it is instead of just you know, bitching on Twitter.

Yeah, I think I think this is better. I know you've had conversations with people, is what it is. And by the way, I love the the Not only did missus othrow kerosene on the fire, but also during the break when she was bitching offline, there were some people on the line that could hear that, and somebody found it necessary to immediately text him, she's pitching about you offline. Man. Okay, I now know who to watch carefully what you say things around which which which I reveal to myself by

picking up on some clues here. Somebody made sure to message it okay, great, cool, But meanwhile, did they tell him what I was saying, which is, let's not do this in public? Huh? Will you stop? You know? And clearly I couldn't get her to stop, but that's the only reason why I talked to her during the break try and get her to stop. So two pieces of extra fuel thrown on that fire.

There a fire that I don't even feel like I started. But it's you know, because it's unreasonable to ask you fifty three minutes and nineteen clips is too much to put onto a one hour buck as because I'm an idiot. And by the way, I wouldn't be doing a job as a producer. But then again, I'm a piece of garbage. How could I be a producer. All Right, Look, it's a whole quandary, I know, and I hope this is entertaining, and if not, I got a better

entertaining story to throw in here. I think it is worthy of explanation. And here's where I need a question answered from UVP, because you are more familiar with the way people talk in different parts of this country than I am, and so are some others. So it could be that I think certain things are relegated only to the Tri state area or to New Jersey. And

maybe I'm wrong about that. So I mean, because I've heard the same in the vagina thing on South Park, I've heard it elsewhere in popular culture, so maybe it's a phrase that is common. And I just thought it was a Jersey thing. And I'm gonna explain why I thought it was a

Jersey thing in a minute. But Pepe help me out here. Is sand in the vagina a common thing to say to a guy around the country or is it like only regional Like that whole thing I brought up with you before about being in the South and a woman calling you shug, that's a Southern

thing. That's a Southeastern thing, for sure. I know that but is sand in the vagina one of these like sort of slap insults at somebody where you're telling them they're they're, they're, they're, they're acting like a little bitch. Basically. Is that something that happens all over the country. Oh? Absolutely, I mean, but you know, you might hear it in the form of, you know, he got sand in his crack, or you know, go change your tampon, you know, all kinds of stuff

like that. So stuff. Yeah, I mean, okay, that's that's what guys do. So similar phraseology that then change is their biology to say that they have a vaginant at first of all, but then also it's probably irritated, which put him in a bad mood. This kind of thing is sort of common place, right, Yes, yes, it is very commonplace. I mean actually even simple stuff like hey, throw me that hammer, you know, and they throw it weirdly, you know, nice throw alice.

It's it's common. It's been around as long as I've been around. I've been around a while. Yeah. It's almost like you know, you look at somebody's shoes and you go, hey, those are great shoes. They got a men's department where you bought those are what like that? Really? Okay, No, just checking all right, So I'm just checking for the vernacular, the normenclature here because to me, and I talked about this with missus Oh who you know did apologize to him online and also tried to

apologize to me. But I'm sorry to laugh, but I mean it was like, okay, you just threw fuel on it. But clearly he had some he had some squabbles, He had some issues with me previous to that, and he told me about other people that have issues with me, other people that really can't stand me and you know, and think terribly of me

that he's got to defend me to all the time. So I get it, and I appreciate that actually, and I want to say publicly, personally directly, thank you Chris for revealing to me certain people that are just talking trash to me, even though they smile to me and try to act as though they are friendly with me or you know, on my side, on my behalf with things, when they just you know, clearly have negativity for me, like you were holding on too. I appreciate you doing that,

I really do. He told me about you know, occult priestess doesn't feel as though I was communicating with her. That's really her issue for why she's not coming on, and that's cool. That is her prerogative. I'm good with it, no grudge with her at all. But apparently she told him before she told me that she wasn't going to come on the network. That's no problem at all. But you revealed a couple other interesting things in your

text. I appreciate those things, and I appreciate your revealing your negativity towards me that apparently you're holding on too for a bit. It's all good, And I still stand by the fact that I think Bob Wilson wronged you, you know, when he turned around and called authorities on you and had you know, cops come and pick you up. He should have never gotten involved

in your life. I still stand by that, even though you hate my guts, because you know what what's right is right, what's wrong is wrong. I don't think that should have been done to you. I think that was way out of line. Matter of fact, little trivia question, you know, the backwards masking thing you hear get mad with Chris Graves the intro that we used to play that little backwards masking that's my voice saying Bob Wilson is the devil, which is meant to be a double edged joe about Bob

Wilson. Anyway, this was the spirit in which I thought we were producing. Get Mad. But apparently I had been a bad guy all along, and I'm not sure why. Still, but let me clear up the whole thing about the sand and the vagina. See growing up on the Jersey Shore at some point or other. I mean, if you have a sexual activity in your teenage years, and you know you're banging teenage girls, or you're banging slightly older girls that maybe you know are married and therefore are not going

to take you back home because their husband's there. You know, if you're on the Jersey Shore, you might at some point end up. You know the old song under the Boardwalk, Under the boardwalk. Yeah, I'm not going to sing that well now at all, because my vocal cords are scrapped. And you know what, I probably always sucked as a singer anyhow. Anyways, I suck at everything. That's fine, But let me finish the story. You know, you go under the boardwalk sometimes you get a little

privacy. I mean, you're out of the sun, you got some shade, and you're not always being easily seen, especially in the evening, you can hide a bit. And if you don't have a place to take a woman and you're a teenager, you know, I mean, I started having sex at fifteen. I was a little bit of a late bloomer, and

you know, and all that. But commonly when a person of any sort, guy or girl is having sex and they're in those teen years where maybe you can't bring him to the same house where your parents are, or you know, you're sleeping with a young adult woman who can't bring it to the new husband's house, but she wants to bag you stuff like that. You don't have a car, so you can't get to a hotel, you don't have the money for the hotel under the boardwalk can work out at the Jersey

Shore for you, but there's problems. See even if you bring a blanket and things get damp. Issues happen like that. While you're engaged in what you're engaged, and especially if you're okay at it and you know you've got an excitable lady, you might find a bit of moisture. And here's the problem with moisture and sand. It makes sand stick, It makes sand get all over the place. Now, if you're a guy, it's not that

hard to deal with. I mean, you just gotta go to one of those pub the restrooms and find yourself a sink and you can wrench yourself off easy because it's just skin that you gotta get this off of. I mean, you might end up with a little bit of it stuck here or there or whatever, because you both should be getting damp, either through sweat or

other things during the occasions under the boardwalk and all that. And again, excitable teenage guy like myself, I mean, I've lived this experience, and I'm quite sure anybody who's lived near the shore and grew up there as a teenager and was at least somehow sexually active, you might have experienced this. And even if you didn't get all the way through it and you had a blanket or whatever else, sand is an issue. So here's the problem.

It doesn't as easily go away for the lady. You can't always get a good enough shower, and you might end up with it in inconvenient places on a lady. Now that lady couldn't have gone to a convenient place to get a shower right away, and maybe she wanted to spend the rest of the day, night, couple days with you. But she's got a little problem now until we can get back to a place where she can take a good shower or bath or something, get hose and some privacy, she might be

stuck with it. Now this affects her mood, it does in a direct way. And then you know what, they're a little easier to aggravate. They're kind of in a bad mood, even if they're really wanting to hang out with you and they're happy to be doing You wind up going to other spots on the boardwalk, you wind up going out to eat all these things. You're still in your beach clothes. But you can ignore the fact that it has shifted her mood, that she has sand stuck in some places you

don't really want sand. So anyway, to me, this was a Jersey thing, common terminology, and as a matter of fact, it's something that you don't even say to a woman. You usually say it to a guy because the first thing, of course, is to establish the feminizing the guy. It's very classical stuff, not PC today at all. But but first of all, you know, you feminize them or you neuter them in a

way verbally, and on top of it you add something else. So typically these are teenage girls, by the way, that get stuck with the sand problem, because you know, most grown women can get a spot to go somewhere a lot quicker. So it's usually a teenage girl. And a teenage girl is usually well a little more moody than the average person. And that's

usually what you're describing them as. That's usually what's going on there. Now, this is a generalized story, and I'm telling you to explain the comment fully. That's actually what it is. And they're easier to upset, they get angry a lot faster. It's just the way it is. So an off hand remark. That's really an old, stale, just commentary that you throw at somebody. I mean, like I said, to be Pete,

I think I said it off air. But you know, the the concept of when a clearly female person tells you basically, hey, you know, let's use proper terminology. It tells you that, you know, fallacio do that to me. Well, they're not equipped for it. One and two, it's just kind of funny with that gender swapping thing. I know people are very excited and angry about gender swapping, but in the vernacular of a

comedic response to somebody saying something like that, it's just a joke. Really, it's it's it's it's a slightly hyperbolized comedic mechanism to switch the gender to therefore feminize or verbally mute neuter the other person. And I realize some people get more upset about things than others, but that seemed to be the thing

that got him the most meant out of shape. I mean, outside of the other stuff that he was harboring against me that I didn't know about until he revealed it to me, which, you know what, I don't know what it was I did. I really don't. I still got his clips together, which by the way, he didn't even use all of them on his less than an hour because he just had me playing clips together and just

sort of gave up. It's as screw, it doesn't matter for a back to the future retrospective basically, which again I think I should have at least watched a couple of them on YouTube or something, because it could have been scripted better. Didn't need his nineteen minutes a clip. I mean not nineteen nineteen minutes would have been acceptable. Nineteen clips at fifty three plus minutes a little too much for one two you know, slightly over one hour podcast.

I'm thinking, So, I don't know, this makes me a bad guy. But now I've laid it all out. So what continued to happen after that? Well, now I'm an awful person. I deserve every bad thing that happens to me. And of course he listed people that hate my guts that he knows and you know, and just he was defending me to them and how awful I am, and how he's gotten me big supporters. My

big supporters have all come from Chris, according to Chris. Okay, if that's the case, then nah, I'm definitely a dead man now because support has gone down. And then he started taking in things that he thought were being said about him that weren't. When I was talking about the lack of professionalism and things like that, it had nothing to do with him. I

was talking about something else on the show. Now I have focused on exactly what happened, and I've told the story, and I fired back some comments at him as well, most of them saying I tried to do my job, and I don't understand this tirade, and I don't control missus. Oh but you know, say hello to the bad guy always over here. And it's fine. I get it for people that there were two people that should have gotten get mad Hats. One person got it already and one person.

I looked back and realized that I was supposed to wait for a week when you were going to be home. You know who you are, and you're supposed to get to get mad Hat. You'll still get it, but I'm not going to offer those anymore. And the hell with the hats. I'll just take this stuff to Dallas with me and you know, do what I can do with it. But to get mad Hat, I don't have a right to offer it, just like I don't have a right to offer your podcast. No more. So I don't. That's the way I see it.

And unfortunately, the saddest part to me is that I actually thought that you and I were sort of friends. But I keep making that mistake. And I appreciate that you told me off the way you did, really I do. And I appreciate the fact that you told me about others that have no intention of doing anything other than talking trash about me. And I don't know what they're looking to get at me because I'm so worthless, but whatever it is, they're still trying to be, you know, nice to my

face. I mean, you gave me an idea about people being two face to me, and I appreciate that. I really do. So I want to thank you for it, Chris. I want to thank you for that. I want to thank you for some of the good stuff you did over here. I want to thank you for the support you led, whether it was actually genuine or not. Hey, how can I judge, I'm not in your head, but I do now know that you genuinely had some nastiness

of your harboring toward me. So I want to thank you for clearing all that up and telling me who some of my friends aren't and telling me that I should be more careful about the people that I do share things with, Like you know what, I was feeling bad about the way things are turning on me, and I said things about you know, I guess I'm kind of toxic. People just treat me like crap, and there wasn't something I really wanted to say to the whole world. But you know what, why

not? Maybe it's right, Maybe it is. Maybe I just can't see the world the same way you'd do. As a matter of fact, I know that because I'm blind to hell, no blind jokes in there. But everything else cool. Tear me down any which way or whatever else. But if you can name what I did wrong to you, really, i'd love to see that. But I doubt I'm gonna because we went into blocking me

and I'm gonna get rid of the sand guy and what else. Well, just you know, excuse me for this, but he started calling me fucky. I think it was meant to be like a thing like he's calling me chucky. Whatever else, I'm a terrible person. Why don't I take another poll about how Yeah, I'm sorry, I asked the audience if I should bother to continue this. You're right, and I've got enough negativity, enough problems without my so called friends turning on me. But again, I gotta

give credit where credits due. You'll let me know where I really stood, and you'll let me know where a whole lot of other people really stood. So now, when I've got other things to do, I know who I should not bother to involve in things I know who I should not trust,

and even the friendly situations I have, they're contentious with people. I now know about some of the two faced nature of it, and I appreciate that because some things were not making sense to me about how certain things were happening, and some people were, you know, being cool about things, but then I would find that they weren't entirely cool, and some people would say things to me like, ah, well, you know, I don't really want to get into that or I don't want to talk about it, and

clearly signaling to me that something happened, because otherwise I'd be like, whoa what, no problem at all, and it's cool, very cool. Sorry that I asked if nineteen clips at fifty three minutes is too much, I'm sorry they'd be pete hurt your feelings. I'm sorry missus, oh said you had sand in your vagina and that was worthy of destroying the situation. Any sort of friendly we had, and we sure we were on a personal level. I thought my mistake. I apologize for that. I thought that you

and I understood each other about some things, but we don't cool. Appreciate the honesty I wish you had done it a little sooner, but I appreciate the honesty and you know what wish you will. That's it. So I'm done talking about it as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I'm sure I'm going to get more crap about this now because I just spent God how much time did I just spend on that? Probably thirty minutes. PP.

I apologize. I apologize for anything I've done to you, because you know what, You've been around me for years and years, and we've had our little arguments and so far. I mean, listen, if you think I'm just to complete, you know, piece of feces and I'm not worth the damn thing and whatever else. If you think that about me, Pete, I heard you lay it out. Let's go, let's go, let's do it now. But you know, the funny thing is, if Bpete had

a problem with me, I would already heard it. He would already came straight at me and giving me a problem about what it is I did wrong, and then we'd have to deal with it, and he wouldn't blow up at me on air necessarily all the way, Although you do have a little trouble restraining yourself sometimes. Yeah, I have my moments. Yeah you do. You know you don't want a name call, but I hear your name call me. You know, you don't want to yell at people, but

you don't want to be yelled at. You don't want to. It's funny listening to you mix it up with Glenn, and even go back to when you and I mixed it up a few times. It's funny stuff. I just bake cheap shots, you know me. The only the only complaint I've really had against anybody is just cheap shots. Don't take cheap shots on the air. We've got an opportunity to discuss it, discuss it. But the

cheap shots, I mean, anybody can do that. I mean, if it's just it's gonna fall in, If it's just gonna you know, degrade into cheap shots, well hell let's have at it. But yeah, sometimes I call people idiots, but sometimes people are idiots exactly. Hey, look, you know we do have phone calls, and I guess that means I should definitely shut up and figure out what order they came in, uh, and see if we can get everybody on the air. What do you say

to that? Be Pete. Are you cool with it? Sounds good to me, all right, But listen, I just want to say something though, if at some point in time you decide I'm a piece of garbage and you know, and I'm worthy of just getting torn down and tell me a favor and just be yourself, which is tell me and we'll just we'll just hash that out and I'll say, well, you know what, I might agree with you about how much a piece of garbage I am or fecal matter or whatever, and uh, okay, fair enough, and have a good

life, my friend. You know, you know, as we've been doing this, as long as we've been doing this, we've only had a couple of instances where we didn't see eye to eye, and I mean those pretty much got settled then. Other than that, you know, my issues with a couple of people that have been on here has simply been you know, give me a chance to finish what I'm saying before you start jumping in.

Otherwise there's no point in continuing this thing. Glenn. You know, the thing with Glenn that was that was the worst chief shot I've had anybody pull. And that still kisses me off. But Glenn is Glenn, he's going to live with his side. You know, it's his story. Let him tell it his way. I've got my story. What's done is done. But other than that, you know, that's the one thing I like about us being able to converse. I mean, if we've got an issue,

it comes right straight up. There's no beat around a bush. So I mean, there's no nothing hidden between me and you. If we haven't already said it, then they probably won't get said. Now. That's not to say in the future we might have an issue, but we'll handle it same way we've handled it all along. We just sit there, talk about, settle it and move on. And here's the funny thing. A few things.

I know you and I each agree that we have a stupid point of view on it, you know, like, you know, I'm very certain there's a couple of things where I go, God, you know that is just dumb, and you do the same thing. But generally speaking, you know, we don't insult each other over it right away, and it gets vented, it gets handled. But you know, well, but we also we want to also very careful in stating, Yeah, I think the idea

is dumb. I don't think you're dumb. Now if i've you know, if I thought you were dumb, i'd have called you an idiot before. Now, yeah, but I think that happened so well. No, I think us issue. To my memory, each of us has slipped an actually name called once or twice on each other. And but here's the thing,

I don't think it's I don't think it's seriously. See, that's the thing is, if you're actually somebody's friend, you have a little argument and you settle it and I don't know, maybe again it's me and my mentality, but you usually get over it and then you move on. You know, that's that's usually the idea. But anyway, let's try and get to the callers, and I'll take extra time on the air tonight. Even if Ppete doesn't want to hang cool, I'll do it. I'll do it solo.

Okay, So I'll take an extra segment tonight and go a little long because I want to get to everybody who's on the phone and let them say whatever it is they want to say. Again, we're gonna go with the five minute role mostly uh, And I'm tired of talking. So I hope you're not calling to ask me questions. But if you must, I'll do my best to answer them, or let ppe to answer them or whatever. But you just want to make a statement, we'll go for it. But what's

up? Take a guy. I'll answer it. I'll answer anything. What the hell, what the hell? You know, we're gonna have We're gonna have a lot of fun in Dallas. That's the way I see it. Okay, I might not have enough money to do much, but what the hell, man, we're gonna We're gonna do this up as best we can.

We're gonna we're gonna get mileage out of the mileage. Okay, and hopefully anybody that comes and hangs with us or whatever film stuff and takes pictures, because I want to integrate it into a big video piece and just put it out there and show people what the trip was like and all that all

the way along. But I got an idea about what to uh, what to do with some of the get mad hats, you know, because I have I have a bunch still left, and uh, you know, I only got a handful of each thing to start with, but I had two requests for that, so I've got a few left. I think I think I might have sent him one. I'll wait for him to calm down enough. I can ask him that question, and i'll find out if I actually sent him a hat, because I think I did. But anyway, none

of this is relevant. Let's get to the callers. They've been waiting long enough. Let's see one of them says, they've been waiting thirty eight minutes and again, I'm gonna go over time tonight, be Pete, you're gonna be able to stay over time? Or no? Oh yeah, I got next three days off. We can go all night if you want to. All right, well, I ain't doing this all night, that's for damn sure. But I mean I'm hungry. I gotta go eat something a little

while. But we're gonna give everybody enough time, whoever calls in, whoever is already waiting on the line to get their peace in but five minutes at a time, and then you get to return. That's the new rules. Okay, So both of us, remember, Be Pete, we both got to try and shut up and restrain ourselves during their five minutes as much as we can, okay, because I don't want to try to have to keep recounting and figuring it out and all that. Give them their five minutes.

At least they go on hold and they can wait, maybe get back on again. Fair enough, Yes, dear, oh dear, yes, dear, all right, should call back from earlier. Okay, So let's get to the guy who wasn't involved in any of this at any point as far as I know, Jimmy James, you're live on the show man. How you doing. I'm doing pretty good. No, I couldn't have been involved.

There wasn't even on the show last week. That's right. I absolutely stand by your statement, Jimmy James, and your time has not begin yet because you were involved in this in any way and actually emailed me to say what the hell just happened? Uh? Yeah, you're you're You're the one guy who emailed wait, I got a question. I got a question, just a quick one. I don't want to take up his time. So all this against him, wells, you weren't here, Jimmy James, Where

in the hell were you? I was in the chat room. I was here, just not on Oh I got you? Oh yeah, And it would be it would be accurate to say that he asked missus oh, or he asked the room generally what happened with Chris, and that's what led to stanton the vagina. I can't believe. I gotta keep repeating that. Anyway, that's what led to that response and that in that way, I guess

Jimmy James was involved, but he didn't do nothing. He didn't throw no kerosene on the he wasn't even on the on the line during the break, so he did not instigate any of this. Jimmy James caused no problem. I want that stated for the record up, So JJ, the floor is yours. That's right. I'm not the instigator. For the record, I wasn't the guy to talk to Chuck the red three JFK books that said I read them all either, oh no, no, absolutely true, absolutely trump

gun. I read the equivalent on that Friday in a couple of days. But anyways, uh, I don't really know what I'm talking about that. Well, do you want to do you want to bring up something else? Well, just to real quick on the whole Chris Graves thing, there is something about people our age and older were I don't know, me and my best friends all call each other fastors and things that was such I don't know, maybe it common and our age group and that and other age groups.

I really don't know, or maybe like you said it, but I don't want to harp on that. What'd you think about that Nancy Peri and Rich stuff that? I? Oh, yeah, that one thing. Okay, so stopping you at one minute so I can answer. Here's the thing. The Nancy per and Rich stuff is very interesting. I was a little confused at first because you'd indicated something a little different there in the chat, so I wasn't sure she's interesting, but I'm not. I'm sure that she is

a credible witness to a certain degree. But to my memory, there's a couple of things in her statements that nobody else saw, and there should have been a couple of other people that could have confirmed it. So it's a little it's a little nebulous to me. I think it's worthy of examination though,

and uh, and we should get into it a little more. But I mean, it's funny to me that you made an overall great statement there, which is that there are legitimate witnesses available that some people barely pay attention to, don't know their names at all, and yet these you know, many different ones. I'm not naming any right now, because there's many I could name who claim to be witnesses the things who I am not convinced we're even you know, within one hundred miles of the situation at the time,

who have gotten lots of attention. And I think it's because they've made convenient statements that fit with people's prescribed ideas. Okay, you know, like, for instance, the people that put Jack Ruby in weird places that don't match up with somebody's theory. You know, not because they can't confirm it, not because we might not be dealing with somebody who mistakes somebody for somebody else,

but because you know, they just doesn't fit with their theory. Even though five people said it that they saw exactly the same thing, somebody will still go, yeah, but that doesn't work with this. You know, a lot of people that are looking at conspiratorial situations, they have the solution in their mind and then they try and backfill it with evidence. And the ultimate flaw, the indicative flaw of that sort of process, is that you

don't actually study the evidence to get to something. You're just trying to support your thesis. And you know, It's kind of like the negativity of the academic world. Don't just begin with the thesis statement, begin with an idea direction, sure, but then allow the information to lead you where you need to go. That I think is the ultimate flaw there, and that's why a lot of truly legitimate witnesses are ultimately ignored by many people who seem to

be studying the case quite well. And I'm not saying Nancy pern Rich is a you know, an absolute like smoking gun witness all the way around, but she had some interesting things to say that could be relevant at least to the Jack Ruby think for sure, right, I mean, she's undeniably was

his bartenders right there. She should have. Oh, I'm saying, I guess I'll have to do it. I'll have to write her up like a Wicki type page and hopefully Spartaciss or someone will post it, because right now she doesn't get anything in her own name, and she really deserves, if nothing else, her own page with what she said. A lot of the old books talked about her, and Mark Lane talked about her, but after

that she kind of got lost in the shuffle. I think, yeah, yeah, I mean, I can't I don't even know what happened to her after the sixties, anyone know? Frankly, No, at some point I think she moved to Ohio or one of those states in that area. That's all I recall. All. I mean, you know, look, somebody else could correct me on that. I'm not saying that's definitive, but I remember she moved out of the area for sure at a certain point, so

she wasn't like a lifelong resident of the area altogether. She could have moved back for all I know, because again sort of drifted away from me too, you know, oh, you know, you know where she went, Chuck. I'm thinking because of her accent, and I'm remembering in rush to judgment, she right after the assassination, she booked it back to Massachusetts. I think she had a pretty heavy kind of a New England accent, like an upper class Bostonian accent. That would make sense, you remember, I

don't know if you remember that. The accent was definitely like northeastern waspy. I'm not sure if it was Bostonian or you know, Massachusetts exactly, but definitely, if you told me that's where she was from, I wouldn't argue with you too much, because she definitely had that sort of upper class zone, you know, very much like that that doctor that was on CNN for

a bit. They used to crack me up when she came on, Uh you know much so the typical Asian that could speak better Caucasian than a Caucasian like I'm King of the Hill. Oh yeah, no, she sounds can Yeah, she must curious. He didn't even call karaoke. Karaoke a crazy name for it. Yeah, exactly what was that guy? Uh? Uh? Ted was sanasan right said, oh excuse me, con and he was eyes like. The way he would speak was like more Caucasian than Caucasian.

If if that makes sense, Yeah, no it does, it exactly does so, Jimmy. With all that in mind, yeah, I would say that the Nancy parn Rich thing is is definitely worthy of examination. I know she was in a lot of old books, and I'm talking the books they published in the seventies and early eighties, but say around the twenty fifth anniversary, outside of you know, Mark Lane clips and things, I don't think

she was ever really mentioned again. And you know again, but also she's tied to Jack the Jack Ruby situation, which is problematic for a lot of people. A lot of people, you know, they know this and that about gunshots and Kennedy and blah blah, but they don't know crap about Jack Ruby. They just go, oh, he was a mob guy. That's really dismissive of a guy who has a very interesting history. Uh, you know, and he's not really part of the mob, but he's an associate,

you know. And there's a difference between being an associate and being impossible a member. He's a Ruby for crying out loud well right, and the fact that he turns over and ends up being government and foremant a couple of times also not a shocker, you know, because we saw that too. I got Fundolf Jack down that now I looked and yeah, he agreed to be in the FBI format, but he never gave up nothing. He never told him anything. Nero's acrifying. Yeah, but we don't know what he

gave the Dallas local police or the county guys. We don't know what he ever gave him there, because there's paperwork to indicate that too, that he was seen as a source and he definitely was openly cozying up to the cops. He would bring him sandwiches and crap, you know, I mean which again, oh mancy Rich says he was supplying them with a lot more in none, of course, And she's not the only one. He would give him bottles of booze. He took him up. You know, it's your

kid's birthday. Here's a fifty dollars bill. Hey, by the way, why don't you go to dinner at this place? Here? It's already paid for. But this is this is how a gangster operates when he's trying to keep things on the level locally. This is very typical of anybody who's even loose associated organized crime. And people made a big deal at him. I'm like, oh, he's a police hanger on. He's like a policeman.

I'm like, no, this is how a criminal really operates if he's you know, not just street level thug and running from every time a police car goes by, if you're actually looking to operate it open, you know, I would think I would think a fair description of him would be a lifelong entrepreneur and minor chronic criminal. Well it's a little it's a little heavier than that. I mean, he probably killed a few people, he liked to fight, he was involved in gun running. He definitely went to Cuba,

and he did have some friends that had some power. So I would say he's a little or yeah, yeah, he definitely but nah, I don't think. Well, he definitely killed Oswalt. But that guy at Leon guy, that's a farce. The man was born with the name mill name Leon. So that's just a BS story. That Union guy that they always claim he had something to do with, I don't think, well, that's my opinion. I don't think he had anything to do with that one. Well,

you're talking about the stuff out of Chicage. Look, there was a bunch of things out of Chicago where he was a little too close to a bunch of murder beefs, you know, and the most what was it, the junk Union guy was the biggest name out of it. But the fact is that, you know, you get that close to a bunch of murder investigations, you know, the smoking fire thing. It's likely that he was

tied to some stuff. And I'm certain by other accounts. You know, you go into the right pizza restaurant there in Dallas and you ask him if it's still a family establishment, and you talk to the right person in Italian, you might get some answers about Jack Ruby from some people who you know, heard it from grandpa or uncle whoever. So you know, just saying back then, you couldn't just make your legend on Twitter. So anyway, I'm gonna put you on hold, Jimmy and stick around if you want.

We got other callers on the line, bet Pete ready to move on to the next Yes, absolutely, Okay, I think I think I'll let you feel this one. But uh uh, missus, Oh you're you're with us now, And I don't know if you want to comment or you just want to hang around and listen, because you had said a couple of things to

me earlier in the day. Did you catch my whole little story there about you know, how it is under the boardwalk in Jersey And I'm not sure if that's all regional or all Jersey, but that's how I remember it. Any any any thoughts anything you want to add? No, not really, okay, trot a bit apparently. Did you want me just put you on hold and move on to the next caller for now? It was something that I wanted to ask him now, But now I don't remember what it is.

How about I give you a couple of minutes and we'll move. We'll move along to somebody else and I'll come back to you hunt all right, all right, I got a work. I know you just you were just out. You just came home actually after I started broadcast. So, uh, you and I have some catching up to do when I am hungry, So hopefully we'll be able to eat when we're done here tonight. But I'm gonna put you on hold and we're gonna move to the next caller. I'm

pretty sure I got Harlan on the line. Yeah, it's money. What's going on? Huh hey, Harlan? How wait blank, it's Sandy Mejannas and I really ain't count. Yeah, I might have to catch for you. Okay, well look I didn't I didn't mention what blank it's But those can be problems too, And you know you're saying can get stuck moist. Now, see, moist is an interesting word. Harland. Your time hasn't

started yet because I keep interrupting you. But no, no, no, hey, look, it was just, uh, what what went down the other week? You know, Chris got a little upset and decided that I'm a terrible person and I'm a joke, so you know, cool good enough, and uh, like I said, I wish him. Well that's that, so there you go. He apparently got really upset over the fact that missus Owen answered somebody in the chat room and said that he might add sand

in his vagina, which I explained pretty thoroughly. Were you on for that explanation? I didn't notice. I got in the best of time that he was on. He was under the forward wild and you know it was most blank kids. Okay, all right, Well, any anything anything else do you want to ask about that? Go go right ahead. But I mean, you know, I'm pretty much I'm pretty much good. But anything you want to ask, go ahead, or if you want to ask me,

Peter, you want to talk about something else? Floor is yours for at least five minutes? Still good? Well, you know, like I said, you know last week, first thing for I forget about it. I won't say that it was a shame that Jimmy wouldn't on your last week because men him would have probably agreed most and would ever had on anything having to do with publican residential candidates and revoke party because we probably took away the same

thing from Matt debate. Well, I'll bring a lot of other things. I'll bring Jimmy back on in a few minutes. And I'll bring Jimmy back on in a few minutes and see if that's true. But go ahead. I'm not trying to interrupt your go ahead. But you know, it's it's a shame, you know, I mean, just made just sitting there on

the edges, you know, looking at it. You know, everybody's had a filing out and you know, I can't really remember exactly what got Chris and BP, you know, like at each other, and you know, me and Jimmy is you know, gutted each other's throat for the next week, you know what what was all right? I mean I've even told him to step back and so you noticed I have at it. He didn't even

do it. But I can't really remember exactly how that got started. No, not that important usually, Well anyway, well, let me it's a shame, you know that come to this. I mean, I really like Chris and you know he's been good to me, and I wouldn't be here tonight that Benfrey, right, and I appreciate that. I'm sorry that you got about filing out. What can I do? Look, and I'm not taking away from your time, but really quick, what happened is that nine

to eleven came up as a discussion. B Pete said something about, you know, well, how about maybe just I think it was Building seven, Maybe just Building seven fell because it was hit with debris? Is that possible? What's that? Yeah? I removed that. I remember that part. Then I'm talking about the actually in a word that say actually like far and out with each other. I mean, I know what cause being Jimmy a lot of times, you know he's pro Trump and I'm I'm really I'm really

not pro Trump. But I don't know what really like far out. I must have just missed it to or you know, both guys or bosses gets you raised, Well what happened there? I don't know what happened there is that they started disagreeing a bit. You know, I'm not gonna take away off your time for this. Uh still got about four minutes left. But the thing is it was sort of like, okay, so Chris started to disagree with stuff, and he wasn't addressing exactly what be people was saying.

He was just kind of throwing out some of the common nine to eleven stuff, and then, you know, be Pete said, well, you know that's out nothing to do, you know, like sort of challenged it back. And then Chris turned around and said, okay, never mind, you win, forget it. And it really irritated be Pete because he felt like that was just, you know, kind of a punk way to end it, and was sort of like, all right, so fine, you're gonna

talk to me like that. Well, and then the two of them got a little heated with each other, and I said, well, all right, look, it's towards the end of the show. You guys can always debate this next week, no problem. And like I said, Chris didn't really want to do it. He said he didn't feel well and certainly didn't want to waste this time arguing with v Pete. I said, okay, cool, you know, and I wanted to move on anyway because the show

was a little too sloppy. I wanted to fix that. So now I'm making efforts to do that, which I was going to do anyhow, and it was necessary. So but as far as the way the two of them got at it. It's you know, Chris just kind of did the whole way you win, then fine, never mind, forget it and that piss be pete off and got a little angry there, and then, uh, you know, I think that's where the set off for Chris's resentment started.

But I'm making a guess here. I'm making an estimated guests there because I don't know what's in the guy's head. I know what happened next and how he started getting nasty with me, but it felt like to me it might have started there and then just carried on from there. And by the way, I tried to just let it go for like two days, and then forty eight hours later or so, I start seeing more stuff on Twitter, stuff he's saying about me and whatnot, and you know, so that's that's

where that went. But I believe it started there. But apparently he was harboring some stuff before that. So what can I say. I don't know how it works. You'd have to ask him. And uh, there you go. I just gave what I could as as as best I could here since people asked about it. So you got four more minutes, Harlan, go right ahead, whatever you want to go at But it's true. You know a lot of us will go at each other and then the next week,

hey, look, let's not do that again. Okay, I'd rather that we didn't go at each other like that, but it's gonna happen. You know, if somebody gets passionate, heated about something, they got a deep seated belief they're expressing themselves, they feel like somebody else didn't let them, et cetera. It's gonna happen. So go ahead, man. Well you know, Kyle, well, you know I took you, you know on that show there a couple of weeks ago that Chris has been a bad

healthier lately everybody shows here. I think he was just school around aggravated and get feeling bad. And I sank that's reason why he's probably said that back. You know too, they I do remember the part about most of the conversations. Excuse me, I just didn't you know exactly how did it got

there? Because it was like, wow, we was there and oh my god, this is worsening, and Jimmy James, you know, let flare it up, you know, all of a sudden and you know, like I said on that show a lot of this stuff that you know is believing on the official story or whatever. A lot of those things, basically, you know, more mainstream. They picked up the building sema, and you know, if they won't jump in and say something, I'm off forward.

But I'm just you know, I'm just trying to understand, you know what i mean. Yeah, well there you go. Well let let let let me be respond to that. Good quick point of clarification. And I even said this on the show two weeks ago. I don't believe the official story. There are some aspects of the official story that are true. There's a good majority of official story that's crap. I don't believe the official story. But when we want to discuss specific aspects of the official story, let's discuss

that aspect based on the evidence that we have. That's all I've ever stated. Now. I think there was a lot more behind it. I think there's my most wildest fantasy is I think maybe this was something that the intelligence community had a part of and it got out of hand. We've seen that happen before, So, you know, just to clarify anybody out there listening for future, no, I don't believe the official story. There are parts of the official story that are true. We got to figure out which ones

those are well, and there it is. Look, it does sound, though, to the person who is very much invested in the conspiracy side of the equation, that you are quite a bit on the side of the standard or official story, because you agree with some of it. And that's the way it sounds, that's the way it comes off, and that I understand well, and that's that's based on that's based on experience in construction for the

past forty five years. So sure, but you know, my line of work is along the engineer is in the engineering field, that in the legal field over the years, So yeah, I look at things a little differently than some people. But then again, you had a lot of people when I first came on this show that thought I believed, you know, I was a firm believer in the war and report. We've found out that certainly

isn't true. So you know, as time goes on, people might understand my position a little bit better, but it takes discussion to be able to understand that position well. And that's what it is. Look, and this is always a problem for me as well, because I don't necessarily ascribe to every single conspiracy theory out there, and some people seemingly ascribe to all of them. And it's very confusing because even the conspiracy theory to contradict each other,

they seem to embrace. And it's it's it's an odd position. I mean, you're when it comes to nine to eleven, you're a little more, a little more on the official story side than most of us, who well, I'm on the officials. Let's let's see if we can even slim that down. I'm on the official story side when it comes to those buildings coming down. Now, the whole thing about you know, we've heard everything, We've heard every theory from there was fake planes, there was holograms,

there was directed energy weapons. I'm based it on years of building buildings and watching ship fall down. And yeah, those buildings. I believe a lot of the official story in the way that the buildings actually collapsed. Everything prior to that, everything after that, all the conspiracy involved in it. Let's look at how the buildings came down. Now, Yeah, I'll argue that day and day out. But you know, engineering, engineering, things that

are built by people fall apart if you do certain things. So no, and and they're you know, without getting into the specifics. Yeah, it's impossible to know exactly what my position is if you're just a casual observer. Well, right, and look, and you know, just in all fairness, I mean, there are people that are architects and engineers. Literally,

there's a group named that which you know kicked Richard Gauge out. But there's a group out there of people that are in that profession who certainly disagree with you U. And again I would say, let's look at the whole of the evidence and let's see who can explain it to, uh, you know, common person. I don't claim to be an engineer of any kind. You know. I claim to know things that I've been exposed to extensively that

I've been operational in. Uh, you know, and maybe I know a few things about some things I've read about, But generally speaking, I would never claim to be an engineer or an architect, you know. So, but I don't have that experience. It's pretty simple anyways, So Harlan, Yeah, I think that's what was at the root of it. But anything else you want to throw in here, go ahead. I know pretty much, you know, I guess on this up to get pretty much bad.

I mean, okay, well he got something else about and you know, pretty much funny, and I would here. You know what Jimmy has got to say about that's a debate? Oh definitely, I'll tell you what. Let's get around. I'll tell you what I'm gonna do, Harlan. I'm gonna put you on hold for now. Go ahead, okay, I'm gonna put you on hold for now. Let's keep you there for a few minutes. I want to let Advance get on because he's sitting and waiting, or

he was. Let's see if he's still there, Yes, he is, Okay, I want to let Advance get on and say what he wants to say, and then I'll get back around and maybe I'll put you and Jimmy James on for a couple of minutes so you guys can talk and see what you guys think. I mean, I thought the debate was hilarious and I feel like it accomplished absolutely nothing. But you know what, you guys might

see it differently, and maybe Jimmy you'll see it differently. I didn't get a chance to talk to Jimmy Aboutett because he wasn't on the air that night when we went over the debate, So anyway, it'll be interesting to go there. I think we'll go there next. But first, before we get there, let's get to Vance. And also I think missus O still on the line, so you know, we've got a couple other places to go.

Maybe she'll remember what she had to say, so I'll do that before I get back around Jimmy James. So first off, Vance, you're live, and anything you want to go for five minutes, go right ahead. But here we are, Man, what's up? Oh, not much, just listening in and you know, sad to hear what all happened, and

you know, it's just one of those things. It sometimes happens. And yip kind of the thought had crossed my mind, uh, prior similar to what uh, because I really like, you know, I thought Chris was pretty cool. And you know, while I don't really care about, you know, some of the you know, movie stuff so much or you know, I'm not into that kind of genre stuff or whatever thing. You know, he's you know, he had enjoyed a lot of his content and all that stuff, and you know, I know he's not as old as my

dad. And you know, I know a lot of people that you know, when they don't feel good, they you know, blow stuff out of proportion just because that's the way the event. You know, they've discomfort and all that. So you know, maybe that's you know, partly involved in

all that. But it seems like something got way out of hand and you know, kind of just yes, then need to go there, and and it sounds like you did everything you could to to you know, diffuse the situation, and it just is what it is is, So we'll move on for there. But you know, go ahead if you want to say something. No, I'm sorry. I I was just saying I failed to diffuse the situation, but I did attempt to. And uh, you know, what can I say. I'm not making excuses or claiming to know anything other

than what I was told and what was apparent. So but it is what it is. Yeah, exactly, So sorry to have interrupted you though, go ahead, and I'm like, just we you know, I guess we just need to get that out of the way, because you know, it's it's a bummer one way or the other, however it happened, and you know, the best for everybody, you know, involved, and you know that's just the way it works out sometimes. But but ay, ready at some point, you know, you know, there's a lot of questions,

you know, things I could not necessarily debate. You know, I'm not an engineer or anything, but I did do a lot of studying on the and not need degree levels, but you know, I've looked into the you know, construction of the trade centers and all that, and and I think even during that podcast chat putting the chat some about what about the beams that are cut in an angle, you know, and all that kind of stuff, so, you know, and and during that last show that there was

a narrative about the building seven being pre wired already, and I've never heard that before, but it makes perfect sense, if you know, if you think about it in a strategic way or whatever. But I never even heard that, you know, theory reformed, you know, but you know, it's that building definitely, even with the damage that you know, it's supposedly sustained. You know that it's hard for me to believe that it collapsed like

that. And like you said before, there's lots of engineers that would would agree with that, and you know, I don't know exactly what happened. But I see a lot of things, you know, they just don't make any sense. And it's my understanding of the way the building was constructed and everything that the planes, you know, couldn't have made it collapse like that.

You know, the intercore was really uh uh massive structure, and the floors were all built off of that, and you know, so it it just didn't make sense for it to collapse that way, if it was to collapse. But and that's I guess, you know, just that showed I got it, and you don't. Why I don't. I don't agree with you know, the deficient active. If I can't believe some of it,

I can't believe of it. And obviously there's certain facts. There are certain facts that you know, the building fell down and it was one hundred and ten stories tall, and there's always a little bit of truth and anything they say, you know, but I'll stop there. Well, the best lies are always blended with some elements the truth. I mean, you can't just

fabricate something mat of thin air and expect everybody to believe it. So yeah, of course, but you know the interesting part about this is that we could have just organized a, Hey, bring your best piece of evidence to the table. You know, give me some audio, or give me a link or something, give me an article, or come on and give yourself a presentation during one of these discussions, and we throw it all on the table. I mean, hell, we could do that around well sometime soon

if we wanted to. That could be of interest, you know, the curious points of nine to eleven, let's say, and I just let everybody bring their own stuff to the table. That could be interesting. But you know, that night it just didn't work out too well. So you got

a couple of minutes left if you want to use them. If not, I could move along and we could try and get back around to missus Oc if she remembers what she wanted to say, and then also get back to Harlan and Jimmy James, maybe talking about the debate, which we did cover last week a bit. There was that, uh, and I did play clips from that a bit. Uh, you know, But tonight, I don't know. I was just so bored with what I was putting together.

I just I said, you know what, nobody's gonna want to listen to this. I don't want to listen to this, which is an editorial judgment of mine. And yeah, I figured might as well answer the questions so that people are just going whoop, and here it is. This is what I know. So anyways, yeah, and then and then I guess the other thing we can get to you eventually, you know, or it needs

to be brought up or I'd like to kick around a little bit. Is this Mollie stuff that's going on. And you know that no matter what you think about who, when, what or where, it's like the response and all this is just dismal, and you know it's it's it is pretty pathetic. Yeah, but what else is new with the dismal response? Right? I mean, look, I gotta I gotta say that, right, And it's not because I wanted to fend Joe Biden, because clearly I'm and I'm

figuring Grandpa. I don't even know where he is half the time. But the people that are working in these organizations, you know, as David Knight said something like, you know, if you see a bad response constantly coming from the people that are supposed to be, you know, doing this stuff like FEMA, if you constantly see a bad response, after a while, you got to start asking, is that really what they intend to do? You know, is the slower response, is the lack of response, is

the whatever? Is that what they intend to do? Or you know, an equal question, which is a fair one, which is, uh, you know, can you actually adequately address these things when all hell breaks loose in a place where a fire does happen? I mean, that's assuming and I know a lot of people have already had assumptions that this was a pre planned thing and that somebody planned to do this. I'm not saying they didn't.

But in the case that it wasn't planned at all, is it also possible that it's just impossible to respond to everything adequately enough so that everybody gets taken care of. You know, I tell you that the people of Puerto Rico are still suffering after a couple of years later, after devastating hurricanes. I'm still hearing about that. You're not hearing about it on the news or

anything, but I do hear about it. I hear about people still suffering from you know, California fires three years ago, that there's still situations unresolved. You know, these large disasters leave long term effects, and is it just the way of the world or is it intentional or is it part of the design, or is this about you know, downsizing and hurting people into

certain places. Man, your guess is as good as mine as far as I'm concerned, until I see some evidence that says this is exactly what they mean to do. And some people would say there's plenty of it, And I'm an idiot for even even considering that. It could be just you know what, maybe we don't know exactly how to handle everything. Maybe you know, and especially you want efficiency and good operations from government agencies. Man.

You know, that's like being pissed off at the Boy Scout first Aid squad because they couldn't save everybody's life, you know, in the apartment building. You know what I'm saying, because everybody simultaneously dropped, and you know, the Boy Scouts were able to save some people, but they couldn't save them all. I don't know. I don't know, man, It's just what I consider. I try and keep an open mind about these things and not

always assume that you know there's a plan. But then again, there's people constantly making plans about things that will never happen. And I talk about that on the show sometimes too. Anyways, van's anything else you want to say before I put you on hold and move on over because we are over time a bit. But as I said, I'm going to allow for extra time tonight. So anything else you want to add, go ahead and we'll talk to you later. All right, Well, you hang on there. I'll

put you on hold, and let's see. Now this is Oh, I'm gonna come back around to you real quick, see if you can remember the thing you wanted to bring up. Wanted to bring up, missus. Oh, I'm on in the back room, on in the background. Okay, okay, this is one of those you gotta turn on radio down down, all right, there we go. I'm gonna put Miz on hold. Let's see. Nope, that I had the wrong button down anyway, I had my echo effect happening. Oh, missus, Oh where are you? You?

Hung up? All right, fine, let's go on to Jimmy James, because I did promise that I would put Jimmy James and Harlan back on. So Jimmy Harlan was curious to hear about what you might want to say about the debates. And I'm thinking i'll put the two of you on to talk about it and see if you guys come up with the same kind of

ideas. But going to you first here last week when he was his last parting comments, he nailed it. He said, well, Jimmy James isn't here, but I bet he would say the person the one the debate was Trump, and he nailed it. That's exactly what I would have said. So they're gonna go. You know, you know what's hilarious about that, Jimmy James is guess what this is gonna be a weird situation. You're ready. I agree with you, and I agree with Harland as well. So

let's put Harlan on. I think the only clear winner actually in that debate was Trump, So there you go. You're both on high that's right. Or Jesus won that hands down, the even and when they couldn't even wash his fate, go ahead, you got it. So and I was for just one thing that I love. Is I always faithful. That's over here running you know to round Swammy. As I said last week, you know he's speeding you around Swamy sandwiches the new He's speeding you a lot of shit.

But there's stuff coming out every day, guys. I ain't even had a chance to keep up with it. It's been kind of a rough week. Ain't dumped on Twitter, but maybe like once or twice for a few minutes. But people keep sending me links that were this guy was on with

Al Sharpton way back when when he had a show. There's people sending links about the George Soros, which I think, you know, there's a lot of things there's probably a lot of Republicans about there in politics, sure now that tied to him or some other left wing place to that got him through

college. But I just don't understand why you've got this hard core a little section of people just dislike, you know, he's just great when most things keep saying that, you know, he's stuff, were saying whatever, you

know, they can get him some attention. Yep. And by the way, does anybody believe these gimmicks are the last six eight months that the Republicans is going to shut down all these different agencies when they wouldn't even you know, just tied up a few rules in the ATF that they had promised for

years. And one more thing I'd like to mention, as I saw earlier, today I've not dug to for into it, but actually it was just day the first that Joe Biggs I used to work for him for the wars that he's got seventeen years for his part in January sixth, and tell truth that I don't even know what he actually died. If he was just one of the folks that just block through her, if he actually done something more in area, had stuff i'd the scenes, who takes messengers or you know.

But I do think that it is a shame if you've had all these people that failed for this queue and non stuff and the whole J six gript that they have ended up with their lives destroyed, and he's just one of the few. This got the biggest sentences. And there's all kinds of people like the areas they have been broke, spend every nickel that they had just trying to put up a lot, and I think that just hate the truth

about it. You know, if they can find those thousand people, wis nobody running this queue bullshit that whoever that was, whys nobody you will bought a banger and anybody else besides you know the suckers that was there. I think that's just a sad time. Well, I think that the pieties were cremated, is what they've done. Understand Dan, is that kind of heat. A lot of the bodies were damn near instantly destroyed. Okay, I'm gonna put Harlan on hold for a second. Jimmy, which which bodies are

we talking about it? What's up? I say? Which body? Mai oh in Maui? Okay, okay, no, I you see, Uh, Harlan was talking about, you know, Joe Biggs getting convicted and you know he's got seventeen years now, and very little was said about it. I mean, the details were not even focused on. But you know, and he was a former Info Wars guy. I don't see Alex Jones trying to put up his money for him either, huh. But anyway, you know, that's he ended it. He mentioned that, and he's correct.

There's amount there's a thousand missing people in Maui and they're not really missing. What they don't understand is that they're gone. They've been. That's almost like that they were new pretty much the same effort. And as an operating engineer two weeks ago, me and b Pet's only we had one disagreement. It would see seem over the security building. I tend to think that they demoed

that building on their own. And I even gave an example, and I would take b Pete said that he takes that building just got destroyed by the other buildings. I guess, well, and you know what I don't. I don't argue against either one of your ideas. As a matter of fact, I would find it a whole lot more plausible. I think I said this to you when you said it that look, just to secure the site,

somebody might have demoed that. That would not be an unreasonable solution to Look, we don't know what is now accessible because there's holes in this place. We don't want people scavenging it. If we'll level it, then we can probably control what comes out of the rubble a lot easier than if we've

got an open air building here that can no longer be secured. I would think if somebody just came out and said, look, we purposely took that thing down because it was damaged and we were no longer able to keep it secure, and there was a lot of things that needed to be secured in that facility, I would say Okay, that's an acceptable answer considering all the things that we're in there. But I don't know. I tend to not feel that it's the correct answer that it just came down because it was hit

by debris. Now, BP seemed to suggest that that's how we saw it. You know that it would make sense that that building came down after it was hit. What can I say? You know, I don't, I don't feel that way. I feel as though it had to have come down

on purpose. Uh, And I don't think it was. It wasn't the design of the guys flying the planes, because they didn't hit that one, or at least if they did intend to hit that one, they missed, because that wasn't directly hit by a plane as far as anybody has ever said, so, I'm thinking somebody might have taken it down though, after we've had a bunch of holes punched in it, it would make sense to me.

But there's still too many open questions and there's still too much I think that, you know, they wanted to simplify, they wanted to not present to the public for different reasons. Maybe I don't know. But your name

was your name was Reckon. You must respond you must respond started doing well, I'm gonna put you on hold real quick, Jimmy James, actually, because I think it is time for BP to have something to say, and I want him to be able to say it with all of us shut up, because you might want to wrap around on a couple of things that were brought up. And then I'm gonna let each of you come back on the line who is still on the line and say what you got to say in

closing? How does that sound b P. Good? Yeah, that sounds good. When it comes to Building seven, yeah, I'm a firm believer that the majority of damage that was done to that building was from the other buildings fallen on top of it, and when you look at the way the

building was constructed. Now, let me first say there were things that were supposed to be in that building that apparently weren't because they weren't there when they went digging through the rubble and found certain things gone, which means they had to be removed at some time. I'm sure some of the chaos that morning was individuals in offices that new things we're in there and had to get them out, and that was part of the problem. But you know, you

have a building and fall on top of another building. I know there were modifications made to the building over years to handle generators and things like that in certain positions, and so there were certain structural different changes made that were load

varying for the entire building. And it may seem strange that that would be done, but a lot of times when you're making modifications to an existing structure, you have to come up with some kind of out of the box ways to solve the problem, and we find out years later that it wasn't maybe the best way to do it, because there are problems, which there are failures, there are things that happen, and this is in construction over the

course of time anywhere in the world. You know, retro fitting a building after it's been designed one way and going in and making changes can really affect something that you don't find out till later. But that's to the side. The building in itself, I think was damaged enough. There are documents. I'd have to go look them up. You know, they had engineers out there looking at that building from the time that they could the smoke cleared enough

they could get out there and see what was going on. And they saw structural changes to that building over the course of the day. You know, they had engineers out there when transits on the things, showing the walls buckling and starting to come out, and those are things that are indicative of a failure that we saw. You know, we're limited to what we can see

based on the videos that we've seen from that day. I don't know if any that I'm sure there's some videos that the government got a hold of that will never see the light of day because they're either showing things that contradict or story or showing things that they can't explain. And based on the evidence that we have out there, you know, you look at what happened to that building, and yes, I firmly believed that that building was brought down because

of the damage that was done from the other buildings. Right now, you know, I'll can back it up with the structural problems that they found, the things that they knew were in place before then. You know, take it. Take for instance, you know, Juliani's command center was supposed to be in that building. Well when all this craft happened, whine hell, was nobody there except the people that were there on a daily basis, where was Giuliani and the rest of them they should have been in that building.

A lot of questions about what went all that day. But as for the structural fall of the building, I think it was entirely possible based on what fell on top of it and around it and through it. Okay, So a couple of things, you're just real fast. One with the Giuliani not being there, I don't find that to be all that suspect. And I'll tell you why, because he was constantly running around the city. I would in that city at a certain point where he was mayor too, And yeah,

that was not crazy for him to not be in a position. He was all over the place all the time. By the time all hell starts to break loose in the World Trade Center complex. You know, people don't necessarily appreciate in other cities. They think they understand traffic. You don't know traffic till you lived in New York, Okay, because it's a different situation. I assure you. The impossibility of being able to get down there was

probably you know, already locked for almost anybody real early on. And I knew people that told me about it, you know, but they could only tell me about what they could see. You know, we didn't have a bird's eye view on this that day. Another interesting thing is I had a stepfather who had worked in that complex and had told me some stuff. And I've asked some people about this, and nobody ever wants to really talk about it. But you know, he was an electrical guy who had been all

up and down in those towers. And to be honest with you, I think his heart failure that occurred within like a week or so of nine to eleven was due to the fact that he saw that on TV and really felt like he had just watched a whole bunch of people he knew die. I think it messed him up real bad. He had had to retire because he had ended up with meningitis, and it wrecked him as a person, made

him retire from being an electrical engineer. And he had worked in there a bit, and he had talked to me about, you know, different problems there were in those buildings, and I often wondered, Look, as much as we're told about the plans and how it was supposed to have been built, it doesn't mean that everything was done with the utmost best craftsmanship. In some cases you gotta and you gotta account for that when you're looking at this

thing coming down. You know, if they didn't put in certain things the right way, or if they didn't construct something even though they had the right plan and it should have been consistent one hundred and ten stories high, it doesn't mean that it was because maybe the guys who were working on the thirtieth floor didn't do their jobs so well, and maybe there were adjustments that were made afterwards to deal with that. But nobody ever wants to talk about that,

because I don't think the records for that are available to everybody. But I think it's an interesting question because consistency on a building, it may have been absolutely consistent, or it may not have been. I don't know,

but anyway, I always find it to be an interesting open question. So look, putting aside nine to eleven and all that good stuff, I think we should get around to everybody's sort of parting comments about what they want to say for this week and then be done, because it looks to me like, let's see how deep are we here. We're about two and a half hours deep, and I think we've given a bunch of things a pretty good

turn. Hope were at least entertaining. Got a couple of laughs out a part of the story that I told earlier, at least about you know, look, isolate the thing about being at the Jersey Shore and think about all that. You know, I mean, your experiences may vary, but I can only identify what I known. As I said, you know, I've heard about that sort of comment being made on other TV shows and other places and everything else, and I don't know, I shouldn't think it was that

big a deal. But then again, I don't necessarily understand how things went the way they did entirely. Well, it wasn't your vagina. The sand was in, so you got to look at it from that point. As I said, I was more accustomed to the idea than I could just go in the sink and wash off. But you know, anyway, but you know, normally we've just brushed it off. We don't have to find water. You know, well I needed water. I don't know why. Look

might have just been anyway. I don't want to get too graphic because missus I was listening, and although we may have both had experiences under the board walk, it wasn't with each other by the time we met. We were old enough we didn't go and need to do that. But you know, if we had met as teenagers, we might end it up under the boardwalk together. So it's funny how low cases has changed. Would you become of

age enough that you can rent a hotel room? Yeah, well, you know that you got more access to transportation, you got a little more money, you got your own place. You know, you don't live with mom anymore. I mean, if you don't live with mom and you got a little bit of money and you got a little bit of you know, a little bit of game, you could end up in a lot of better places. But you know, when you're fifteen, you're getting active. I mean,

you work with what you got. Anyways, boardwalk's not a bad place, and it does stay cool under there in the bright, bright sun on the Jersey shore. Anyway, I don't know. Again, it might be different in Florida, North Carolina. I have been under the boardwalk in North Carolina, but not for that reason. And California I was under the boardwalk, but by myself briefly. But in Jersey I know how it works,

so that's why I spoke to it. Any ways, let's see, should we go in order and let everybody get their final word in I'll save you for last VP? Does that cool? Sure? Alrighty, so let's go first on over to Jimmy James and parting shot man. Not a full five minutes, but you know, say what you want? Yeah, well, I ton am I supposed to? Uh? Maybe I should? Oh what the heppen? I fully intend to go to Dallas? Cool? Hopefully that does it fit dissuade to other people from going? Maybe maybe I should have

kept that closer to the vest I don't know. No, that's okay. You know what, join us, join us in the breakout room, and you know you might end up signing an autograph. This is the guy who calls every show we have, is the Ocelli dot com caller. Jimmy James calls everybody, whether it's Jack Blood or Chris Graves or any other former host uh, Donald Jeffries, you know whatever, everybody. This is the guy who calls your show if you get it, if you work on the network.

So maybe you signed some autographs. Who knows? Rasier things have had true? Oh and another uh odd, it may sound out to you. But I happen to know from listening to her shows that Maria Heller is also not, unlike myself, a fan of Amos and Andy, and she would be up to it. I would, And if you're up to it, I'd like to record a show on Matt Well, just on the show and out and there would be a look. I'll run it by Maria because I get together where here at least twice a month to do Hell and high Water.

But uh, you know, it's more likely I'll be able to talk to her about Amos and Andy because she's getting really unhappy with bringing in anybody new to talk to on her show anymore. To be honest with you, so oh, I'm like an extracurricular thing on something that I'm gonna do down the road. I just want to get I just know that she likes it and I wanted to get her thoughts on it. Well, I can just us TV show that get that is just say okay, you know what I'm

gonna do. I'm gonna make a note about it and make sure that at the very least I get something recorded for you that has to do with it. I'll get her talking about Amos and Andy Okay, TV show all right, because I spec he's a fan and a point out that everyone there's a big difference between what was the radio show and those awful cartoons, totally different from what the television show was, and it's a shame it got canceled.

And I suspect seekers with me. And I'd like to get John Barber's opinion on that too, because well, he's a genius and comedic and he knows how much that sets people back. Sure, look, and I will see what I can do about talking to John. I'm not sure if John is still willing to talk to me, you know, given some of the things I've heard recently, but I will do my best to address that with John too and anyone interested. I mean, it's just I don't know. It's

just something I'm interested in and wanted to do something with. How about this. I will make it a point to mention Amos and Andy to any media creator that I get my hands on and see what they think. And I'll make that just part of something I do for a little while. How's that sound? Sure? There you go, So, Jimmy, I'm gonna move on to everybody else. You're good Yeah, everyone to have a good weekend,

more people show up front the SOOD. He wants more callers, absolutely, look more callers for all the shows that take calls, which is now all the shows on the network. We're all going to be taking calls at certain times, and I would do more nights with calls if I got more callers. To be honest with you, so you know what, if you're hearing this and you want to join in on the discussion, please do not tonight because we're almost done, but any night that we're taking calls, and

always on Sundays, always on Fridays. But I'd be willing to expand it more and make this a caller driven situation a whole lot more often if I got more participation. Lots of people tell me they would call, and hopefully the new format helps with that, but I guess it'll remain to be seen. So with that, I'll now go to Harland and let him get in his final words for the week. Yeah, well, I'm just trying to leave. I think you know, I got the lightest bial weapon or got

something this week. But I'm feeling better now. That sucks, I hope. Yeah, Man waved out on the phone share wires a few times. Yeah, we can bite a show out of that. Well, hey, look, I feel bad for anybody who's feeling bad. It seems to me like everybody I know has gone through some sort of health issue recently. Uh, you know, even even people that haven't been on the show in a bit, I've been talking to that are going through stuff. And look,

I hope we all survive together one way or another. So glad to hear you're already on the mend though, Harland, that's good. Yeah. Uh, I'm still coughing a little bit, but I never did really have much respiratory problems. But I's got some feeling real bad other day, just out of the blue. And co worker in the office he basically he's been hitting struck down with COVID again, according to what the testers I said. And I don't know there's something going around over in that area or what it.

Maybe the next I hope everybody has, you know, a good weekend though, Well, I hope maybe you know, down the roads, you know, from people's emotions can be you know, kind of put back in place and maybe folks can you know, men's brow convinces that mate, see everybody else kind of had a little filing out here and stuff. We'll trying to see you guys next time. I'm glad man Jimmy got to agree on something,

you know, exactly for once I figured we would. Well, you know, sometimes you gotta agree that water's wet, Harlan, What can I say? And I thank you for calling in, thank you for your sentiments, Appreciate you. And you're gonna have to send me that email and let me know when it is you're ready for me to send that out as soon as I get the vehicle back on the road, which I'm hoping to do in the next two weeks. You know, I'll definitely get it right out

to you as soon as you say. But that's one of the packages that needs to go out and we're gonna we're gonna take care of that. But in the meantime, I appreciate you. I don't think that well, you know what, I'll keep that to myself advance. I'm gonna go to you and let you get your final thought for the week. Go ahead. Just I guess it was pretty good show tonight, As Hardon said, too bad

for Vito. The drama and stuff. We'll get test that, you know, it will be the last time if somebody you know gets into I mean, disagreements are common in these types of debates. I get in disagreements all the time, but you know, it very rarely ever comes to you know, any of that, But there are occasions where you know it does you know, get to that and all as you can do at that point is

all you can do to you know, diffuse the situation. If that doesn't work, well, then I guess you just don't you know, you don't discuss stuff with them anymore. And that's kind of the relationship I got with. There's not a whole lot of people I have that relationship with, actually, but I've got dis heated discussions with people though were you know, like I've said before, my buddy Jack, uh, he's one of my best

friends. Like at one point it was going to punch me if I kept you know, He's like if you say, if you if you don't shut up, I'm going to punch you, you know, and you know, but he ain't never gonna punch me. You know. It's all good, But but enjoy talking to y'all. Look forward to next time and talking you know, none less in their MAUI or whatever. Hey, absolutely, man, it's always good to hear from you, and I want to thank you for being here and your thoughts and all that. And let's see, I

think i'm putting you on hold. I did, all right. So with all that being said, I've already talked enough tonight, So BP, it's your turn, and we're gonna let you close it on out. But yeah, I'm really looking forward to Dallas, I gotta tell you, And I'm looking forward to the direction things are about to go in. I think it's

gonna be it's gonna be interesting, different. Not gonna be bringing on anymore shows for a little bit because I'm gonna be occupied with some other things and hopefully there'll be some recordings, some other promotional things going on, et cetera, et cetera. My attempts to get things archived properly are apparently going sideways. But I'm still gonna get the magic bullets together. That's happening one way

or another, by hook or by crook. Baby, I'm getting that done because I'm gonna put out ten years of the archive and I'm gonna get it into some people's hands one way or another, and I'm definitely gonna bring some of those to Dallas along with other things. And who knows, maybe I'll just stop over by the Greyhound station and then hand out some swag to some of the homeless guys over there. I don't know, I got thoughts anyways, who knows. If nobody wants my crap, that's fine too. And

if nobody wants to show it all, it'll go away. It'll just happen that way. But if not, stick around, stay tuned. I'm gonna do it as long as I can. And that's the way it goes. B Pete, what's on your mind to close it out? Well, No, I appreciate everybody calling in to night. You know, we do have a regular group that participates in the program, and that's a good thing. And I'm glad that we have these individuals out there, and it's good to

hear from them. I guess a great ideas and it's nice to be able to kick it around. Let's see if we can come up with a consensus. Other than that, I wish everybody a great weekend. It's Labor days. Celebrate your labor. You know, I've never been pregnant, but I hear, it's a wonderful thing. So you know, unless you're getting it done necessary and you're going to go through the process. But I'm a firm,

firm fan of Labor Day. All you women that have gone through it, excuse me, all you birthing people that have gone through it, then you know, enjoy it. But other than that, you know the direction of the show, we make the changes accordingly. I'm looking forward to going

to Dallas. That's going to be a great road trip. I don't know what the end result is going to be, but we'll set up things for our bail account if we need it, so that we can put that in motion if we find out we're down there and have to post bail for anything other than that or looking forward to next week, do you guys come on back, put the word out there, get your get your friends and acquaintances to call in. The subject's wide open on Friday, so we'll start discussing

all sorts of stuff. So there you have it. I'm looking forward to Dallas as well. And as I said already fifteen times, I know I keep repeating myself, but I think we're gonna have some fun and uh yeah, there might be a need for bail at some point. I guess we'll just have to see. So, no matter who you are, where you are, when you are, I want you to remember I'm merely o'celly, and all of you or d the effects I'm match this girl, I'm not. You will see that you are the loveina. I am got a restarting

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