The Ochelli Effect 8-16-2024 Open Mic

Test test tests up. The rumors of my death may have been exaggerated, but we'll see what happens Friday night. And we're about to go live on o'chelly dot com and I'm testing the mic right now. It looks like you guys should be able to hear me across all the platforms and all the good stuff. So let's get this call in thing rolling about three minutes late on o'chelly dot com radio. Ready, it's the sixteenth day of August twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing we

Oh, we's been pretty good.

We finally after that onslaught of rain all last week, we finally gotten into some decent weather.

It's been in the eighties. It's been hot, it's not being humid, and.

We're finally getting to dry out on the job site, so I think you can get a little bit easier.

But other than that, it's it's been a very good week.

Not a well productive week, kind of cleaning up the mess of the storm, but I mean, other than that, it's been pretty good. While you're chicking on dogs, we got a few headlines wined up here to night. Some of them have found quite fascinating concerning the government and some of the things.

That they've been doing here lately r being called question.

And we seem to have a sudden onslaught of information coming out from different government agencies concerning the bidens. Now that Joe supposedly has stepped down, because I'm wondering if he'll wander into the DNC convention and uh, you know, start acting like a president won't have to wait and see. I think he's been given a Monday night speech slot, which.

In you know, opening night ceremonies.

I guess it's a good location for him to start, but uh, you know, some presidents didn't even I don't.

Think Bush was.

Bush gave a speech at the r N c rallies.

After he was on, he was lane duck and on his way out.

Well, much like a concert, Yeah, much like a concert. Don't know, you put your headline act on like last. I mean, isn't that what you do?

Yeah, your headline is always last. But see that's the problem.

You know, their headline is now Kamala and Joe's got to sit back, you know, behind the curtains and wonder when he gets his oatmeal next, or is.

It time for a nap? I guess you know, it's kind of funny.

What I find fascinating is how some of the mainstream media and these government agencies.

To give an example, the.

Department of Justice suddenly just found the transcripts from Biden's what.

Biographer I guess you would call.

Him, where it was called into question that Biden had possibly been sharing top secret information with his writer. Now that you know, now that Biden's not running again, suddenly the transcript scripts appear.

Isn't that amazing How they couldn't find them for what the year?

Yeah? Well just like the timing when what was it Petraeus? You know, they couldn't find stuff for a while until he resigned and actually stepped away. Then they had other stuff on him with the giving away secrets to his girlfriend, right, and he was the head of the CIA at the time, and he had been part of the surge and all that, And I mean, is this not typical though? Like, Okay, now it's not politically a problem, so we can kind of discover things now, No.

Isn't amazing amazing, And you've got the media somehow.

I'm trying to figure out if they're pleased with this.

Method that they used to put kamal At ahead of the ticket, because they're coming out against Tim Walls for a choice for VP and basically slamming on him from day one. There's a headline here CNN admits that Tim Walls repeatedly lied about his drunk driving arrest. Yeah, that's kind of strange, come right out of gate with stuff like this. Well, I wonder what's happened to CNN. Are they trying to get back some kind of respectability or something.

I told you this a couple of months ago, and I told a couple other people. They went, now, you full of crap. They're liberals, And remember and I said, no, CNN's getting you got to watch something's happening over there, and it's been going on for a couple of months now. If you go and review a few things, it's not always fight. Yeah, well there's that. Yeah, well there's that.

Uh?

You know, I'm not saying it's real stuff. What I'm saying is that they have all that programming opportunity. Right, let's talk about the Secret Service, and now they're gonna have to protect the actual president instead of just the candidate to a shot out.

And if I think back after well, think back to January sixth, before Biden got shorn in and you had a pipe bomb at the DNC that supposedly was set the night before, which has been recently called in the question. But she had Kamala Harris at the DNC on January sixth, and they find this pipe bomb. How many times in the past three and a half years have you heard

Happened.

So now, but you know, you think about it, Here's what is a politician like to play up, you know, a near death experience. We had Hillary with her what airplane trip into Bosnia taking fire? Brian Williams and his famous taking fire while in flight which ended his career.

You know, it's just funny. Everybody's got that.

You've not heard Kamala Harris say one thing in the past three and a half years about being, you know, one hundred feet away from a pipe bomb or less.

Kamala didn't say much. See Kamla, this is okay, this works against my own It's all pre planned, you know, theorem all right, which is that they did.

Huh, I said, let me mark my calendar.

Yeah, market calendar. Because here it is. They didn't plan on pushing her forward. That was not part of the plan. Okay, I don't know what the plan was at this point because I'm a little confused. See I'm working against myself twice.

You honestly think it wasn't part of the original plan because the money connection. I mean that money, that three million, three hundred million or whatever they had in the bank for Biden couldn't go to anybody else without some kind of maneuvering.

Yeah, but then Kamaal because she was on the ticket.

So I can't believe these guys didn't think about the money first thing.

No, the money, Look, the money's always got the offloading possibilities. That's not the key here. The key is that she was not meant to be out there. They didn't even you know, do the prerequisite work to make her a figure. She basically disappeared. I mean, at first, he goes, okay, I'm gonna put her in charge of the border. He did say that, and then she did nothing right, and then you know, basically that's all. It was nothing. You know, every once in a while she come out and go, well,

It'll just hurt any referenced to who actually told him to go out there and challenge Trump to a debate that because yeah, big his big advisor was Anita Dunn.

If I'm not mistaken, didn't she leave shortly after he announced he wasn't a good run. She left.

She's off doing something else now, or something connected to the Kamala campaign.

But do you think it was her?

Obama said, look, let's put him out there so that we now we don't have to we don't have to worry about an excuse.

No, as everybody sees him, they know he's gone.

No, somebody on the okay, it's not somebody that's that close to the surface, because they would have had to say, look, we're ready to, you know, cut him loose. So what we'll do is we'll cut him loose, and here's plan B. But Plan B was never indicated publicly, so I don't know what the backup was. But I do not believe for a second it was Kamala because it doesn't make

But do you think the order was you know, yeah, the order to do this was given by somebody, a couple of layers back. But you think they just filtered the word through Obama and Anita donn and said, look, you guys, convince him to do a debate and it will handle itself.

Yeah, that's that's the setup. But where is the backup? Like, there's no hey, look, don't worry about it. See that was the weird thing about it. There was like this panicub what do we do now. I mean, and realistically it's kind of funny to worse.

You think it would have been worse for them to go into an open convention, Yeah, fight out who was going to be the nominee.

Yeah, because they would have had to expose again, you know, having a kneecap somebody like Bernie Sanders, because you know, somebody might have legitimately risen as a choice, like, hey, look all right, we're not going to go with Biden. We got a guy that we actually kind of like, and people might have actually gotten involved, made their voice heard for a minute, right, and said, hey, look we

Let's just say, you think Bernie.

Don't you think Bernie would have been like going to an extreme. I couldn't find somebody, you know, not quite as socialist as Bernie and certainly not as communist as Kamala.

Well, but that's the key here, is that it would have worked with the people it doesn't matter that it makes sense. The people would have said, you know what, we like him, you know what I'm saying, Maybe they can balance out the ticket with somebody who's a little more you know, mainstream, right, that kind of thing. And it's so it's too funny too, because both vice presidential candidates are pretty much not I mean, outside of the Fox usual, which is no, no, hey, look, Vance is great.

I think's problem is there is not a lot of people knew Lovenim and those that did knew that originally was not for Trump. I think that was the biggest hang up on Jamie Vance.

Yeah. But if Trump could get over it. Yeah, But if Trump could get over it and deal with the loyalty, I'm certain his people could. Anyway, the funny.

Trump victory being able to win him over to his side. You know.

Oh yeah, he was against the beginning, but he finally came around and learned it.

You know, you know his lesson.

Well, right, I mean, come on, everybody from Jeff Sessions on down right, even the dance that Chris Christy did for a minute. Right, Eventually he's like, look, d it all shakes out. We see who's really loyal eventually, right, and who's disloyal eventually, And that's the way it goes. So he's pleased with Yeah, I won them to my side. But anyway, that's not even the point. The point is this, These VP candidates are a non factor so far, and

Yeah, it's already started to subside even before the start of the convention on Monday.

But that's what I said.

Anybody was hoping that the momentum would carry through, but it's yeah, that's going to short lived experience.

Yeah, but that's exactly what I said. What happened the day that it dropped, and I was seeing people online and even hearing from people, Oh that's it. Trump's toast. Now you're sure he's going to win, now, Chuck and I went yeah, because the enthusiasm is going to dry up faster than that change was made. It's going to be gone.

But not only that, her problem is right now, you know, starting day one, the minute Biden announced what he was going to do, you've had the majority of mainstream media suddenly go into separation mode. We've got to separate Kamala from Biden. So anything that's gone up till now we can blame on Biden and we can start on a clean slate with Kamala.

And that's basically what they've tried to do.

Yeah, you know, along that one.

Side, you got the right hand side is referring to the Biden administration now as the Biden Harris administration, which you know they're going to do. And then you've got her side that you know, with the help of the media blackboard that they've got, you know, putting the shout out there, Oh no, we've got somebody new here, Coamo. And she wasn't a part of that. She was busy over here doing nothing on this right, right.

And it doesn't matter. Look, it's welcome to the brand new energy, because look here, here's new energy. Look at how young she is compared to what was in the race before. Blah blah blah. But I'm telling you that enthusiasm was so fake, so ridiculous that I was like looking at it, going, this shouldn't even really last the weekend in reality. Now they're going to keep playing it like it's lasting. But the truth is people are going to wake up from their little you know, it's like

Well if you think about but think about how she got where she's at. I mean the minute that that you know, they slid biden in.

After what was it.

I forget what the event was that happened, and they figure, okay, we need somebody else. This is was Bernie. Bernie was doing so well, and then you know, they had to bring Biden in.

They had to.

They had to go back to the core old Democrat party and say, all right, to donors, here's the choice.

We're either going to go with Biden or you're gonna to deal with Bernie. So what you want? So they stick Biden in there.

He gets a big clap on the back from Clydeburne down to South Carolina in the early primaries, and then he took off and it didn't.

Matter what happened after that. Biden was the guy.

Well he said right off the bat, just like he did with his Supreme Court pick.

Oh, I'm going to pick a woman of color.

So everybody starts looking at at Kamala And she didn't even make it to the first she didn't make it to the Iowa caucus before she dropped out, so they didn't vet her. Then she was a DEI higher And I know a lot of people on the left go crazy when you use that term, but that's exactly what she was. And Joe Biden said as much. I'm going to find me a woman of color, the same thing he did with Jackson when he appointed her to the

I don't know what they hell are.

Well, I want no part of it. I don't care what label you slap on it. I don't want a prosecutor at the head of anything. I really don't. Look. If they got to do their job, they got to do their job. But I I Look, how often am I going to complain about the corruption of the court systems and how perverted the whole thing.

Yeah, but the first thing out of the gate, she starts talking about price controls. Remember the last time we had big price controls in place?

When was?

It was forty years ago under Carter and they were trying to get inflation under control, and they could, well, they're daily learn anything.

Back then, they're daily price control.

Four years later going to the exact same thing, I interest rates, trying to get it down, trying to get small businesses back in business, and they come right out the door with a policy that is going to kill business.

Their daily price controls on plenty of things. Some of them are a little less visible than others. But look, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take a break. I know we got one caller on the line so far, but I am telling you now, we don't have to devote this to the presidential selection tonight. We can talk about anything. I have a Asbury Park Press story because I always look at Jersey and apparently in the town where I was born, Long Branch, on the fifteenth, they

Out interesting facts have come out about that one already.

Well what they milked him.

For like fifty five thousand dollars in about what two months time?

Well, amazing.

Yeah, there's a lot of weirdness going on there. And again, you know, our wonderful court systems are they going to reveal the truth or get to the bottom of things, you know, whether it's Matthew Perry or it's your speeding ticket, good luck anyway, it doesn't matter.

Let's go on that note. Later on, we're going to discuss this.

The US Fifth circ At Court has described something the government has been doing as categorically unconstitutional, and we'll get to that later.

Oh well, that's a good one. Categorically unconstitutional. We only have two hours, bepete, I mean just saying, you know, so a lot to cover there.

This is going to affect a lot of people, and you're gonna hear more about it here very soon, because a lot of people don't realize that this goes on every day.

Yeah, well, and.

Even in the smallest of communities.

The point is a lot goes on a lot every day that ends up being unconstitutional, undemocratic, unfair, unreasonable and on all kinds of things. We got lots of onions for you. And plus there's a supermoon coming up, and who knows how that's going to affect people? You know, I bet you know ninety percent of our audience thinks that when a full moon is happening and people are affected.

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At okay so back to live on a Friday and you can join us three one nine five two seven five zero one six. I really want to hear from you guys, your opinions. What caught your eye this week? What is of interest to you? Is it all about the presidential selection? Is that all we're gonna talk about? For the next three months. I don't know, let's see,

Would say that would be part of the bus trip is go by her place and everybody go in crash it, go walking through her little you know, present, and get back on the bus.

Be peat, I fells, be Pete.

I don't want to laugh to it.

Where one conference hickles another.

Conference, you know what, It happens every year, though it does happen. It has been happening ever since there was the Lancer and Copa conferences going on, so you know it every year ever since Esque broke up, right, the Esque conference, which was sort of like a catch all, there was one conference at one point, it just wasn't big. They didn't have you know, the big hotel booked and all that. Exactly the same, but it was pretty good.

So?

Anyway, enough out of me, definitely, and uh, frankly bepeat enough out of us for now. Let's get to the callers and see what they got on their mind first and foremost, and again you can join us at three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six and uh, hey, we're going with this. And I thought I had my timing perfect and everything, and the button stuck. But anyway, I think I got Jimmy James on the line.

Yes, she do.

There you go. It's working, Jimmy, And I'm not throwing up. So look, plus plus column, how you doing tonight?

Do?

I'm good?

Christain is the next day on.

I believe he may be. Let me see, it looks like he might be. Yeah, you know why he doesn't. His name doesn't come up on the board here.

Well, you might as well let him and open it up, because he's the only one that seems to listen to what I say anyway, And he's the only one who seems to be keep it up with my water keep Chris.

Okay, he's the uh you know, he's a little more liberal though, Jimmy, it doesn't matter.

We're not talking about politics. You don't seem to get it. This is something that happened fifty years ago.

Oh I do get It's true.

I do get it. It was one of the first things I ever read about in the newspaper. I knew about it, and it was politics back then. But anyway, I think this is Danny. I think this is Danny on the line, Danny.

Where you got the wrong Danny.

But yeah, crap, I'm sorry, it's actually Harlan. All right, Harlan.

Let me you know, Harland listens to Jimmy.

Now, now, Jimmy, do you want Do you want Harlan on the line or do you want me to put him back on hold? It's your time. I'll give you the choice.

Well, as far.

As I know, Harlan, that seemed very interested in my water gate thoughts, so I don't know.

Let's ask me as well.

Just put him on for a minute and I'll just get through what my new is off on the water gate.

All right, Harlan, Harlan, you're absolutely up next, okay, So let me put you back on hold and I'll get you as fast as I can. Jimmy, go for your watergate go ahead.

Real well.

For who who may concern, I would think everyone that no nobody cares. That's fine, I do care, well, I do you. I don't think anybody seems to see exactly the Uh, well, anyways, what is what is.

The ultimate thing you're after here, Jimmy, What what is it that you would like exposed or acknowledged here regarding Watergate that has been previously covered up? What is the what is the big headline you want the world to get, Jimmy, James is gonna impress a fact about Watergate onto people in this world right now? What is the one thing you want that headline to say?

Okay, well, here's my newest little discovery on that now. John O'Connor, who's one of the top Watergate history guys, I'm certainly not. That's not mine. I don't even pretend to be an expert Watergate. However, I do happen to know a lot of the characters have evolved because a lot of them mirror. The characters have evolved the JFK. Don't they chuck a lot of.

The mirror or pop back up or are associated too? Yes, sir, go ahead.

Yeah. And of course, John O'Connor, Jeff Shepherd, the former investigators have all come to the conclusion that the CIA was responsible.

For them.

The smoking God was the fact that James McCord was involved. If James McCord was involved, the CIA was involved, and therefore Richard Helmes was involved. And I'm telling you it is not true really based on my little research. Well, John O'Connor flat out has come up and they all agree pretty much. Everyone says that we are Pennington, whoever he is, was mister McCord's.

Handler, handlers.

And as mister O'Connor puts it, well, since Pennington was McCord's handler, and obviously he says Pennington was CIA, this is a CIA thing. Well, it didn't take me very long. This is the problem with everyone in their little historical communities. They simply don't see what else is going on. It didn't take me time as to find out that Lee Pennington had nothing to do with the CIA. He was one of the very earliest members of the FBI from back when as the Bureau of Investigations. But yeah, I

So I don't know.

I think that's kind of big.

I think it's big too. And you know, I'm not going to argue with you. I have always said that, you know, this idea of see, I think Helms is involved, but not in a way of like directing this or controlling this. I think in the aftermath of it, he wanted to utilize it, uh to uh, you know, to continue to have his fiefdom kept in place, which has nothing to do with holding on to your directory.

It does make sense to me that possibly, I mean, let's face it, Nixon was talking to a lot of commons, and Helms would have been well into this right.

To check, to trust but verified.

Maybe he had a legitimate situation where he wanted to see what was going on, and maybe this was piggyback.

To common Yet I don't know that.

So far, I can't find nothing saying Helms was involved. Everyone assumes it because McCourt was involved.

Well, and they also make that stupid assertion of well, the head of the CIA had to be involved. The head of the CIA, you know, the guy who is at the top, the director is not read into everything. They're just not They don't need to be read into everything. Okay, I know that sounds crazy to some people. How can you say that Alan doles knew everything? No he didn't. That's not the way this war they want.

They want possible deniability.

Exactly exactly, that's exactly see now, BPTE. Even exactly all of us can agree on this. The guys who are at the leader in the leadership positions are precisely in those leader positions to not be exposed to everything that is dangerous. That is the point of them being there. They don't need all that knowledge. They want plausible deniability.

On front of Congress. You know, is their biggest colors looking for. So that they can't get up there and say, well, you know, I'll have to get back to you on that.

But you can't slip up information you don't have. You know what I'm saying. You can't accidentally go well I knew this guy. Well, if you knew him, then you knew this. No, you don't even have to think about those connections if you are already insulated from them, right.

I mean, I got a question for the both of you, as anyone.

Do you know of anybody that has looked into the aspect of how many inner agency moles were involved between the CIA and the FBI?

I mean how many?

I mean, you know people the FBI had people in the CIA, and we know the CIA had people in the FBI.

I'm just curious to.

Know how that lattice, that crossover worked its way up through the administrations over the years.

Well, I'm going to tell you that anybody that says they know what the entire lattice looks like on that is lying, because it's possible. There is constantly a game going back and forth here. And we know this, and

You know, after after the Korean.

War, the agencies really started getting busy, you know, and you had Nixon. Nixon was caught in China at the time that he kissed a lot of people off when he went and met with the leader of Maine mainland China. Yeah, trying to set everybody on their ear.

I'm just curious.

Do you guys know of anybody that has ever or if you heard of anybody that has ever come out and told the story.

Yeah, I used to. I was at CIA, but I was working for the Yeah, lots of guys have tried to tell the story.

Do you mean double agents or triple agents, as in the FBI is fine on the CIA or do you mean that a Soviet mole?

Are you Soviet mole or just the agency?

Well, we've had Soviet moles through both agencies, so I mean they're going to cover what they're covering.

Yeah, I'm talking about double.

Moles where you got you know, the CIA the FBI are actually covert each other.

Yes, I found a document which says that James Jesus Ankleton was one of the most prolific UH dime droppers in the history.

Of the FBI.

They said he was constantly giving them copious amounts of information to the point that they literally was talking about starting a wing just for his information.

He was providing. And I could guarantee that the CIA director didn't.

Know that.

Unless it was some kind of misinformation disinformation.

Yeah, and I'll give you one obvious, so obvious that it hurts because it's just ridiculous that it's out there and plain sight like this issue. A guy named Gerald Ford ends up on certain committees, gets certain information from one place, and is magically able to carry it to people at the FBI. Uh while he's in Congress. You know, he just magically. You look at how quietly Ford pops up here here, here, here, here, and take a look.

At his character.

Yeah, and I'm telling you now, he was informing the FBI of stuff that they were trying to keep from the FBI constantly. So and that was his purpose on the Warrant Commission. Well, yeah, and I.

Find it funny that through history, you know, they he's he's they've hit him with the misnover of him being really dumb. I mean, look at how.

He's portrayed on The Simpsons. You know, Jerald Ford, he's just some dumb guy from Michigan. Well, Saturday Night Live, Jevy j He had his fingers in everything.

That's what's so amazing about it.

But you never heard he was one of those that could operate silently and he never would have guessed.

Because you're never going to look at the incompetent idiot. I mean even even on JFK specials from the eighties, you can hear people go, hey, Gerald Ford, couldn't you know, take a leak and chew gum at the same time.

Uh, you know, it was like, what it's where he turned up?

You know, if he's mistering competent, I don't think I would have had him doing some of the stuff he did.

I mean, you know, it's like, how come we got the guy from the special ed class on the physics team? You know what's going on here?

Really?

It keeps happening. It's like, oh, it's just Jerry. You know, It's okay, now, it's just Jerry. He just happened to be there to get you know. Yeah, no, no, he's up there. He'll be fine, exactly. And it's too funny because I mean he goes way back before the Simpsons, Like I said, you know, Chevy Chase it all.

So yeah, oh yeah, he's always had that He's always had that meme about him that he was, you know, just this incompetent boob.

Right and incompetent nice guy boob. No big deal, mister vanilla. You know I'm not doing anything big. But take a look at where he is, and he's just constantly showing up in lots of sensitive places where the FBI would love to get heads up on stuff, and they do, so you know, Hoover was well informed, and then the FBI afterwards, after Hoover is well informed of a lot of things that they wouldn't have been without Ford. In

Well, you know, i'd like to when I get done, I'd like to joke Gallas chain on what she's talking about about the sleecret service agent, you know, trail and mouse and disappearing to go Breaskleeds, you know, her baby. But as far as what you're talking about right now, I mean I always kind of thought that the Watergate thing kind of came from next and you know, just to get rid of it, you know, just for spots and a final gun of China stuff and you know,

No, all that's true. I don't think they got rid of him for that, I got to tell you, but they definitely orchestrated this to make sure. Look, he's got to go. And uh, you know, I've always joked it was too soon for the CIA to arrange for another bullet in his head.

And uh.

And the only reason why I say the CIA is not because they arranged for Kennedy even but because they were definitely involved in the cover up, and they wouldn't have been able to orchestrate yet another cover up of that kind of thing.

Uh.

And and it's that simple, you know, So whether they were the active party to really, Yeah.

Cover ups back then were a whole lot easier than they are now.

Of course, well easier, I have harder, well, easier and harder though, because you know, you could sometimes have stuff get out there back then, Uh, that would be earth shattering, but as long as you controlled it really quickly, it might go away. Stuff nowadays does not go away. So that's on the one side. But on the other side, you know, it might have actually been a little harder

Well, but the thing is that, you know, the major, the major way that the public found out about stuff was through the media, not knowing that, not realizing that the media back then was agency controlled as well. So yeah, things came out to the media, but it was only certain things that were allowed to come out.

Through the media.

Well yeah, like I say, true, they had.

To well look at the Pentagon papers.

They had to go to Elswhere's psychiatrist office and break in to get information.

Not as easy as not. It's not one as easy then as it is now. Between these government agencies that are recording everything that.

Goes on electronically in the world. Yeah, eventually they're searchings and I'll get around to it.

Yeah, but see there he goes. The other part of it, right, is back then you would have had to produce mountains of paper to overflood the information, you know, and get out there and drown it in a bunch of crap. Nowadays, it's easy to drown a serious fact in eighty different things, eighty different ways, you know what I mean. Like you could just turn around and say, well, you know, we've got this one recording back then, right and it sticks out.

Well, not only that, you know, you get a story hit that you automatically crank up your AID bots to go out there and create a bunch of media.

Uh that's nothing but misinformation. So then you have to wead through that.

Hey, you know, it's just easy to muddle stuff now electronically. Yeah, but all of the ways that they have to manipulate data.

Yeah, it's funny.

It's like you said, back then, it was bury somebody under a mountain of paperwork to find that one item they're looking for.

Right, But today you can bury it under so much noise that it gets lost, you know. Uh, because just you put out a couple of real things and then you just drown it in the crap. And then okay, you figured out what separate the crap from the reel, and they can't because it's just it's overwhelming. It's impossible. It takes AI bots to do it right. So it's

The h what was it? The end.

Drift and con dank creators. You know, they can't run fast enough to make something out to be just whatever that leans in the direction to getting beets, regardless fitsfacts or not. They won't aim way right, like.

That boxer, like that boxer thing that you brought up, Like that boxer thing you talked about a couple of weeks ago, Harlan, where it was like instantaneously we had the whole Oh it's a guy. It was a guy. Hey, he was a guy, and then maybe it wasn't a guy. You know, they were so fast on the gun there, going for it, making their point. They had gone ten points deep before somebody even checked to see if it was real, you know what I mean, And well.

A lot of it.

Well I was gonna say I never understood that point when when y'all bought it up last week, I thought, I thought the Boxing Association UH had said, yeah, the guy is a guy. I mean, here's his chromosome readout boom. I didn't think there was any debate about it, no, no.

But at this point I got to say it looks to me like we don't know. And the final determination, from what I could understand is that that was actually a woman.

No.

The two boxers I'm thinking of at the Olympics, they were both turned down by boxing Federation because they had X Y chromosomes.

They're men. The Olympics scene didn't take.

I was that, you know, you've got the IBF, you've got the all the different federations for boxing, but the one that controls them all came out and said no to qualify for these bouts.

We did the tests, we did the swabs, they x Y.

Chromosomes their men, and the Olympics did disallowed that argument and said, well, we're accepting them as trans Regardless of what said that was the big debate was what my understanding They both.

Are guys, quite and simple. I mean, unless you got another way to mend I don't know.

Look, I will check in the standard.

I tell you how I'm measured. My standard is when you pull their growers down the head of vagina, the lower gift home. They're a girl. You know that's my standard.

Thing.

Best Vallet won't no, But.

I get his point about this. If there was an X Y chromosome. Then that's that. But I don't know, I thought that it was determined actually the other way. You see, Now that's no, and that that.

Was the big argument is before these get one during qualifications for the Olympics, to let these guys get in. That was the argument that started some of these coaches and all and federation said.

Wait a minute.

The International Boxing Federation, the worldwide federation that governs all of us, have determined these guys are guys, and that's the argument. And the Olympics said, well, we don't look at their criteria. We have our own, and that's how they were allowed to box. I mean, you know, it's I just thought it was strange that now they had, you know, domestic violences a metal sport in the Olympics.

Well this uh Imani khalif that one, Yeah, let me look into it. Okay. Herventry came just hours after Olympics. Uh I mean the statement that they made here is pretty definitive that she was born a woman. Let's see. I don't know, I'm gonna I'm gonna check into this while you guys talk. But I did. I brought it up as a side issue actually, but go ahead orlan whatever else is on your mind.

Good, well, it's this whole situation about the secret servant agent that run off the breastfeed. I mean, what have you guys heard about that? And by the way, before you get back to me on that, you know what the last probably what's it been five six, seven years? It's kind of died off lately. But on social media, you had two main things. Did this thing my could come out of nowhere? Number one was it was like it was a sin against humanity if a woman had

So go ahead, but anyway, be Pete, what's your.

Thoughts on specifically? I'm sorry, I'm unlike you. I'm gazing headlines at the same time.

Well, we could always go ahead and take a break. Let me check the phone lines here. I don't see any new calls, but anybody can join us if they like at three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six. Let's see. Ibas called into question with the body last year, citing the ongoing failures. Wellsh you know, all right, anyways, I feel like I should go to a break here because I'm trying to do this. And uh, I was looking at other headlines as well before this,

Uh.

We have the various legal actions that are simply not happening regarding uh the presidential selection stuff. He uh, you know, did you happen to catch the conference from Trump in New Jersey Carl and the old Look, I'm gonna put up the slides about groceries and stuff.

No.

I'd heard something the other day. A friend of mine was talking about how Camala said she was gonna come out and you know, freeze prices or stop you know, prices on groceries going up. And you know, like I told him, so, well, that sounds all good, but you know, let's see it actually happened. Because from what I understand that you when Nixon tried that, you know, and this was from people years ago that lived through it, that was old enough to be a dope be there that

I you know, I don't know how any of this is going to work again. You know a lot of these claims that are made by the executive branch candidates. Uh, you know they're gonna do this, They're gonna do that. A lot of times I listened to a carefully and I go, how are you even going to do that?

You know what? Where?

Where?

Well this stuff that they can do, you know, I mean look at the promises that you know, Trump made a lot of stuff. If he just kept his mouth shut up, you know, on him would have been a big help. But you know, there's just a lot of things that they're not going to do that's going to positively affect you or you know, your rats. You know, as a human man, it's same slack to me. You know, ohman, I loved the round, but it's not looking that way. May I go ahead?

I don't know see according to a bunch of this stuff I'm reading b Pete. By the way, it's not transgender.

Uh.

The International Boxing Association, a governing body for the spot Bard Khalif and Taiwanese boxer after the IBA claimed they failed unspecified gender uh eligibility tests. The International Olympic Committee right, which called the IBA's decision quote arbitrary and ban the association over corruption concerns last year. Blah blah blah. Okay, the Algerian boxer was.

Born female with IOC doesn't recognize the IBA. The IBA is the International Boxing Association, and they do one to for people that are going to compete, and that is they do a testosterone level test that automatically will knock

There are cases where.

Men can exhibit female characteristics in their hormonal content. And apparently the or is it the Algerian that boxer has always identified as female? Now no one has come out and said, this person's got female genitalia and that's why we allowed it. It's not you're right, it's not an issue of trans And if I said that, I miss both. The Olympics did not consider them trans. They considered them women. So yeah, it's kind of a legal, scientific, you know, conundrum right now.

Exactly what is the case.

We don't have all the facts or I don't know if anybody's been through a strip search or not.

But maybe that's what it takes to end the controversy.

Yeah, but see, now here's the weird part is physical manifestation. Like you said, you could have somebody who is effectively female but ends up with a lot of male hormones and ends up with some you know, or vice versa, ends up with some of the you know, like the uh, the glands will develop in the breasts and you still have a penis you know, which you are too.

Oh of course, character is like breast cancer.

Everybody thinks that, you know, when you think breast cancer saved the boots, you think women, Yeah, they suffer from it, but men suffer from best breast cancer just as well because of hormones and things of that nature.

So yeah, I mean, man, it's.

Something that they're going to have to come down and make a decision on, you know, will the truth come out? Is this individual actually a woman? But based on the IBA tests, they both came.

Up with X Y chromosomes not xx.

I'm trying to fragilects where you have an additional X chromosome, right, But that's not the case, and just muddies.

The water here.

Yeah, Like, and what would you call that? I don't know, Uh, you know.

What I'm saying, colex, that's fragile X syndrome.

No, I know, that's FRAGILEX. But what I'm saying is if you have to put that in the male or female box or is it in a third category box? You know what I mean?

Yeah, exactly exactly, because you're exhibiting well one hundred percent of each you've got an X line and you've got an XX all on the same body.

Yeah.

See, why am I seeing ideas?

I'd like to say something here. Why is it that these problems are usually from somewhere overseas and this isn't an everyday thing that we say here in America. I mean, I think myself, it's where you get a lot of these these third world countries that they have to be some you know, close chromosomes from being though from the old daddage, the closer to ken. I mean, there have to be some men breeding down the line somewhere. You wouldn't have this this much. I mean it was very rare, you know.

I went through four Remember who was cook?

Was it? It was the afron Yeah cast Semina remember that South African middle distance front. There was some question about their gender and let's see one two Olympic gold medals, but I remember there was some kind of controversy.

Yeah.

Well, in some.

Minea's victory at the two thousand and nine World Championships, she was made to undergo sex testing and cleared to return to competition the following year. The decision to perform sex tests and spark controversy in the sporting world and in Semenya's home.

Country of South Africa.

Later reports disclosed that she had an intersex condition five a reductaste to deficiency and natural testosterone levels up in the male range. So this is one of those instances where somebody is a female but they trip the trigger on a testosterone test and they have to go and do further testing, right, and.

Astone task could come from steroids.

That yeah, that was my next That was my next thought. Is that a whole lot of steroids, like a lot of the human growth hormone stuff and everything else can skew these results. You know, human growth hormonal skew results to female in a lot of cases, right for a male the other way around.

And that's why that's why they're so critical about somebody being injured and some of the therapies that they use, because those steroids that they use a lot of times when people have ligament industries or ligament injuries and things of that nature.

What's the first thing can do? You put them on steroids.

It clears it right up, but it also triggers the testing that they do and disqualifies somebody, So they have to be very careful about how they treat injuries just to get around that hormonal problem.

Right, And one more issue here is that And I was crap. I might have lost my train of thought here, but it's it's a little different, all right. How can I put this never mind? You know what, I'll I'll put it aside for now, and I try and grab my train of thought once again, because I lost it on this hormone issue. I wasn't thinking of that. I was thinking of, Oh, I know what it is here? Sorry. In the US, Harlan says, why is it always overseas? I have an answer for you, and you might or

Right.

There's a lot of testing done, and I bet a lot of data collected that you never get to see or know about that isn't part of your medical treatment. There's store data all the time, and between that and the you know twenty three and me and all this other stuff all across you know, the US, there's tons of data and tons of blood being drawn that's being analyzed.

Yeah, well, not only that, you have a lot of countries that you know, participate in the Olympics that would be considered third world.

So you've got this.

You know, we're going to George here. George has been running his whole life. He's been running these hills in the middle of Africa. He's a long distance runner. But George has always been raised as a girl. You know, these cultures that treat these things that come up in the human species differently.

You might be pulling somebody that's.

A hurdler from the middle of Rhodesia that lived, you know, back in the in the sticks, who's always been raised a female because of some condition that was treated a certain way at a certain time. It doesn't factor in much. But you look at the vastness of the human population. There's what two hundred and two hundred and sixty countries

Qualifying one is either a boy or a girl.

So splus some of these people come from places where medicine isn't it's still you'll practice by guys with rattles and masks.

Well maybe so. And you also have the instance of like you know, remember the people used to love that movie Cool Runnings, right with the Jamaican bob sled team. If you take a look at the way that some of these you know, Olympic appearances are funded and stuff. You know, it's not like they have tons and tons of extra money to be running extra blood tests and

So, like I said, you know, perfect example of that condition. Look at Lance Armstrong. Look at the technology that went into how they doped for every year that he was running in the Tour of France, and that was America.

Know how that allowed them to be able to cheat that, well, look at the chemistry involved.

You know, they're taking this today, they're pumping blood the over oxygenate overnight and the next day two shots of this little bit of steroids on the side and boom. I'm sure an foe figured in there a couple of times as well.

In the whole treatment.

They had it down to a science. So I'm being able to cheat and avoid detection for how many years?

What he had? Seven championships something like that.

And the other thing there is again the amazing quality with which you know, okay, you I don't know how to even word this properly. It's like the Russians and

We've had teams from China and Russet, you know that had been no this year.

In fact, what was it? Was it one of the Chinese teams?

I forget which sport was banned from the Olympics because of doping. You know, the old joke used to be, you know, look at the leotards of the Chinese and the Russian female athletes, how many bulges do you see?

You see if they're sprouting new ones?

Yeah, right, exactly.

And that was the thing is that was the big joke in all. It was sort of like, you know, when all of a sudden, Barry Bond's head started getting really big and nobody knew what was going on yet because they weren't testing for whatever it was he was.

Taking, right, or what was it Mark McGuire, he was he was the ANFO frequent Yeah, well, Mark McGuire.

Was another guy, right, he was taking stuff that wasn't banned yet. Or Roger Clemens too right. I think even was taking stuff that wasn't banned yet.

You know.

It's like, so if they're taking a substance that they're not testing for, and you have you know, some government science office working on this, they're going, well, we know what it is they test for, so what can we give them that'll do the same thing and not come up in the test. I think that's been going on forever. So, you know again, but here we go. If you meet the minimum qualifications and you can show up and compete for you know, like you said, Rhodesia or some country

You know, well, maybe maybe we need to go back to the First Olympics and they all performed their sports in the nude.

That way, we'll know I'm not watching that.

Hey, I you'd have a lot more viewership.

And yeah you would, but you know you I don't know, uh Harland, you still on the line.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just about to tell you go ahead and turn turn Jimmy Luce, I go ahead, and time for matter is just handing over to him because I'm out here in the middle of nowhere in the Panandlea, Texas, and I'm liable to lose signal at any time anyway.

Yeah, I agree with you, and it's it's look, it's it's an odd environment, man, because again, there's a whole bunch of things that might be in the system of somebody, you know, as a normal process. And by the way, in case anybody's gonna get mad about you bringing up the Native American thing or whatever, here's the truth. If you talk to an actual qualified anesthesiologist, ask them about whether racial profiling is necessary, because it is.

Uh, there are well you can't you can't even get alcohol, and a lot of places in Alaska and on the reservations and you know things like that. But and by the way, the Montana basketball team that I was thinking about, they was all white too. That I said that I remember, So it wasn't like, you know, this was a you know a lot of different races from all over the country, you know whatever like that. You know, some of these

Real simple, And in basketball, height is an advantage, right, real simple, doesn't matter. I don't care race, anything else. Height is an advantage. And here's the thing. Typically, Uh, you're gonna find a lot more black girls are taller than white girls. It's just a typical thing. And uh, frankly, uh it doesn't matter what race they are. Anytime I've seen a well oiled basketball team, they're usually not the prettiest ladies. I mean, it's just that simple.

Uh.

They're rather masculine looking to me. And this is long before steroids. I used to watch you know, some of the girls' basketball team and Neptune High School in in New Jersey. For God's sake, Uh, you know, I I gotta tell you it was like, oh, okay, you know, did you want to pick a fight with any of these ladies.

Hell, I'm seeing people later on going what what was he talking about?

I know, I know, I'm gonna get a call from somebody I went to high school with. You watch one of these nights, gonna be like, how dare you? I was on the team, And he'll be like, there was on the team.

Well, now, I'm just in fairness and so that the other side is represented.

I'm gonna say there are a few female basketball players.

That I've looked at and thought, yeah, I'd go out with her or some of them pretty hot maybe something.

Hey, look, you guys, do you but you know?

Uh?

But but Britney Grinds or whatever her name is is way more typical of you know.

And TMZ has some instat I think we mentioned it a couple of weeks ago.

DMZ has some interesting footage of Brittany playing basketball next to her pool shirtless and I'm will tell you what, when you look at the video, looks like a guy.

Uh Okay, well you know, and I'm not gonna say that she doesn't resemble me to me either, But to my understanding, born female has always been female. But I don't know, you know, I don't know definitively how about that. So but yeah, look, there's nothing you can do about it. But but when it comes to race and chemicals, though, I just want to make something clear. You talk to an anesthesiologist about it. Because I happened to have one of those conditions that's specific to your genealogy when it

That's something that a guy that I used to work with redheaded, Yeah, he had some issues with anesthetic.

And I got to thinking about it. My dad was had red hair, yeah, and he he was having surgery. He was in the Navy.

He had a bone ship or bone for something in his elbow. They were doing surgery on him. He woke up during the surgery and they had given him enough to knock out an elephant.

Right there is we found that out, and I never.

Knew that that redheaded people have a different reaction to certain anything that's connected.

With cocaine, procaine, any of those, and.

Certain other chemicals that they use for common anesthetics don't work.

On that pharmaceutical, right, that pharmaceutical class. Here's the weird connection to that. And it's not redheads but close. Uh. Here's the weird pharmaceutical thing. That family of drugs that cocaine, ladicane and all those kind of things are part of. Is like you're you're highly resistant if if you have a certain lack ready for this, a certain lack of melanin, if you have a lack of pigmentation in your genetic code. I am an ocular albino, okay, which means that I

You uh you know, yeah ick that gush man I mean out there, but you meant magic carpet, rat ice strap, that fying out put that. Guys tell you shit, you won't you won't know where yet you won't hear you go ahead.

Yeah see now I can't experience that like when I did it like illegally. Yeah well no, without the mask, I did it illegally. I could get a little high off it. But here's the funny thing about like again, anesthesia is a weird kind of like science, but you got to pay attention to people's race and people's genetic well, not genetics necessarily, but people's racial makeup has a lot to do with typical reactions to anesthetics. Like the nitrous oxide will knock some people just out done and they

Right.

See, I don't get to have fun with the nitrous oxide. When they do with the mask and they actually you know, take a deep breath. It either is working or it ain't working. For me, there's no fun in between, you know what I'm saying, Harlan.

That last time I had some of it, I had to go out and sit in a truck for almost and our you know, temp them off of it. My nice draft that out on it was like, you know, you use a more spade. I mean you saying lights and Lucky Star drags.

Yeah, I wish. But for me, you know what happens when I get up out of that, It's like, oh, I just had a little lost time. Oh, it's time to get up. Cool, and I'm up, like, I don't even feel it. Oh, you might be groggy, you know. And they always forget, and because they don't know me personally, so they go, oh, you cannot drive for a little while. I'm like, you know what, if I could drive, I'd probably be fine cause I'm not even feeling it, And they're like, are you sure you're not a little No,

Uh.

But other than that, like I would go to the dentist or stuff like that, forget. It didn't even bother me, not even a bit.

So.

But but this has a lot to do with certain things in your ancestry, like be people saying with the red hair, that's that's a lack of pigment. And again there's certain uh, matter of fact, there's certain like psych drugs that are common in America that are banned in in many Asian countries, not because they're against the big pharmaceutical companies, but because it's very easy for them to oh D on these things. They're super sensitive to some of the certain types of SSRIs and stuff, just as

I'm saying if you muss been a long time.

Ago, well, those are real things. Those aren't like urban legends. It's that there's a certain subgroup and I think it's Irish people, maybe some other kind of European person, but there's a certain kind of European that. Yeah, you can come up with this candition where you eat I don't know, bananas or grapes and it turns into you might as well drink wine because when you blow it back out your breath says you drank wine. Your body literally a lot.

Of and.

You can eat it. But you wasn't saying that turned your body processes and turns it into sugar.

Yeah, right, Like, well, pasta is a typical example right where your your your body can turn pasta, which is you know what flour and water mainly, Well that becomes sugar, right.

Corn? Sorry, corn, Yes, a lot of stuff that that's corn, okay, will metabolize on the sugar. And that's the situation with the Native Americans. A lot of cases is ever body does it, it allows the alcohol. It's the same, right, is you know one lot of other races too.

Yeah, but I'm telling you this is I.

Have it until they don't have alcohol, you know, until the sixteen seventeen hundreds, you know, and you're fans prouted here, well, but there you go.

It could be that in other places there was reasons for these other and uh, you know, usually I like to turn to BP for Asian stuff, but I know that there are certain psychments that are banned in various Asian countries BP because they have a significant portion of the population which can very easily end up with toxic doses because of their ethnic makeup. I don't know what the specifics are on that exactly. I've heard a couple of different stories about it, but I know it's a

You know.

It's that simple, Yeah, and.

A combination of two things.

There was an instance where, well back in what twenty fourteen, there was a K pop group who one of the lead singers supposedly was busted for bringing adderall into the country, right, and the Koreans treat adderall as myth because it has.

A derivative of the salts in the mixture. It's not pure myth.

It's just got a little bit of myth in the combination in the adderall. But it's against the law. This person had a prescription when they lived in the States. They went back to Korea to work. It ran out of her prescription. Her family gets a prescription field and it was through a university here in the United States. Anyway, they mail it over, it gets caught it customs in Korea.

She had a prescription.

She brought it into the country, but Korea said, no, it's illegal. You know, why was it she prosecuted, Well, it was because she had a prescription.

It wasn't like she was you know.

They actually tracked her down and counted the pills to see how many she had taken to see if it matched.

Her for what was prescribed. You discussed this, how far they checked into it.

Right, You discussed this at length, the names of the people involved in everything on a show maybe two years ago, I think, And yeah, it's true.

It's that way over a lot of common common prescriptions that you know is approved here. Well, and I was in Germany they told us in the military you don't get go treated by a civilian doctor. Why because they may give you something that's legal here, but you're going to pop a drug test and you're out of the service.

Yeah. Well, see, those are okay, those are geographical issues, right, where something's legal in one place not legal another. But what I'm saying is there is literally a reason for this, where there are components in a lot of the psychmeds out there that do that are partially meth amphetamine. Read the chemical names. You'll see it looks kind of familiar to the stuff that goes into making meth here in the US. Okay, you'll see it. It's not even some of the stuff is not even good enough that you

Yeah, I catch you.

Got Oh sorry, Harlan, Yep, I'll definitely catch you soon. I know you're out in the Texas Panhandle. I wish you luck, safety and strength. Brother, So we probably won't hear from you at the end of the show. Jimmy James is still on the line. There's still time for you if you're hearing us live at about quarter to nine here Eastern time, quarter to no excuse me, quarter to ten pm Eastern time, okay in the US here

Well, I did want to cover this one story I haven't come across to today, and this is a Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals made a decision on what is something that you know, we never really had to deal with before, but with the age of technology that we're at, and that's geo fence warrants.

I wasn't quite sure what these were, but yeah, I was in the past.

I've remembered what these were when they were talking about the January sixth riots.

Yeah, I have an idea what a geofence. I'm sorry, I have an idea what a geofence warrant is, but could you give us a really super fast recap of what it is.

Yeah, And this story is carried by Reclaiming the Net doctor Or, which is a good site if you want to go to to read stories about the surveillance.

And what they're doing to the net. And these guys, you know, they help people when they go to court.

Reclaim thee Or.

Well, here's the story is this is category and constitutional. That's how the US Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled about the use of geofence warrants for part of the Constitution, that this type of warrant that enables dragnet

Here's why.

What they do is they go and they pull up the data from these phone companies or from Google, and it's all through your cell phone. These things are tracking you everywhere you go unless you take certain precautions to cut certain things off or leave your phone at home, even when they're off a lot of these things will

Yeah, you voluntarily say hey, I was just at this ice cream shop and boom, yeah, okay exactly.

So what they do is they start looking at this data and then they start reading out they may have two hundred numbers. They start going through the two hundred and they start checking, Okay, what were you doing there? Where else did they go? What else did they do? Did they make any purchases? Did they do anything that could be considered nefarious or court found that that's too broad of a spectrum to just be able to mass

And here's the deal their stance on geofence warrans.

Camess has deliberated a specific case in the United States versus Smith, and this is revolving around the police in Mississippi in twenty eighteen resorting to obtaining this type of warrant to investigate an armed robbery and assault that took place in a post office. Google, which is who law enforcement agents turned to with these warrants, most of the time obliged turning over data from phones to the police, who then managed to produce two suspects and later they

In this case, there's no probable cause.

It's simply being in a certain location at a certain time, and they're saying that that's not sufficient enough to be able to open up a phisient expedition. We'll be able to look at all of these cases where they have used this to January sixth riots, the BLM ryots, the pipe bomb scandal that's going on about January sixth, they

I mean, that's what they're using this information for.

Now you talk about them, I guess this would be a big attack on Big Brother and the government's ability to go and use this information. Maybe we're starting to see things turned back towards private pection.

Yeah you wish from this, Yeah, you wish it. Look, because it's so expansive, it's not going to go there. Look, you can't get out of this this mess right now, not with something like this. It's not going to do it. The problem is it goes well beyond okay, normal world, forget about the digital and electronic normal world. Right you need probable cause, yes, and everybody gets stuck on the

It would be like it would be like the cops saying, we have suspected criminal activity going on in this apartment complex at this apartment, but what we want is a warrant to be able to lock down and search the entire ten story, ten apartment.

Per floor.

Building.

So we're basically looking to go into one hundred apartments to search because individuals in this complex know each other and therefore they could be moving materials or money or data that they shouldn't have, So we need to check the whole place out.

And no lawyer, I mean no judge is going to say, Okay, I'm giving you.

Free reign to lock down a building and search every apartment in that building.

And this is even on a grander scale.

You're talking about thousands of people that were in Washington when this went on. It become that little bit of info of knowing that you were standing at this corner at one o'clock. They can follow you everywhere you go from then on. How once they're aware of your number, you're sunk. And they're doing it now.

That's why they're why they're sweeping up all the data that they can.

But they've been doing this message, right, But they've been doing this, and they've been saying it's because look, we had access to the data. They granted it to us, and we have the you know, communication acts here for this and this and this, which allow us access to it all. Okay, it allows you access, but it doesn't mean you have specific access to everything. And here's the other deal. You and I go to Dallas, right, and we're at the you know, we're at the conference in Dallas.

Zero no. I mean.

Another instance was that let's say we had who was the guy that came over from the UK to speak.

Okay, let's say he and I were talking Johnny Cars and.

The guy who had tattoos.

Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, let's just say, hey, I'll contact you later. Text me your email address. Yep, so I text him my email address. Okay, everything's fine. Let's say, either in the future or back six months ago, this guy was under surveillance in a faisal warrant because he's a foreigner. Now all of a sudden they see, oh wait a minute, he's trading data with this phone number. Let's look at that phone number and see where it's going and who it's in contact with, and so that one little.

Thing can open the door.

Even though the FISA, the FISA warrants are not supposed to allow our CIA to spy on domestic citizens, it still gives them that avenue to get to my data, and from my data behind the scenes, they can track the thousands of people. I mean, if they got a hold of my contact list from people through the work I do.

I probably have two hundred phone numbers that.

I may have texted with or called in the past four years, just from different contractors working.

On my job. So suddenly you can have one number.

Blossom into thousands of numbers depending on how the person uses their phone, and you just opened up that can of worms for them to go and look at everything.

Amazing the reach of something like this, right, my old defunct email addres had over six hundred addresses in it that were acquired from nineteen ninety six to twenty sixteen. So you know, what are you gonna do if you got data exchanged with that old email address, which was the Lycos address I had at Boom. It's messed up. There's so many people connected to it anyway, really fast. I'm gonna give Jimmy James the final word on tonight's show, But I just wanted to take sixty seconds to throw

Yeah.

I never understood he got off on that part.

Yeah, because he shouldn't have. He was participating in the event, he wasn't just covering it. If you were there with a camera and you know, passively, just then I would say you deserve protection that you're part of the media. You're covering it, even if you're all media whatever. Uh you know you wrote press on the back of your of your jacket. I get it. But once you start participating in those events, you're no longer the objective bystander.

All at a rip.

David, there was Jamon Tal spanked Jamonts what I mean? He worked at Fellows with solo and he was dealing with Jack RUPI this is the Dallas and no look up.

Some pick you and I have a bat.

Absolutely you too, Jimmy James, and a shout out to you for being a supporter caller. All that shout out to Harlan as well and all of you for listening. B Pete, I thank you for co hosting yet another week of this and I'll just give it to him. Support your local food banks.