The Ochelli Effect 7-26-2024 Open Mic

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July twenty six, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar. You know, I tried to go live at the right time and couldn't do it because I had to restart the computer and all that good stuff. It's Friar's day, by the way. And uh I even tried getting to Bepete, my co host for the past few minutes. I can't reach him, so I don't know what's going on. I think I'm broadcasting, hopefully

I mean, we've.

Talked about the fast food industry. In the past few weeks we have talked about hypothetical situations courtrooms. Obviously the political chicanery and madness and clown show has been part of the equation and discussion and the revelation of the conversation. As of late and a little bit before airtime, I think I released the podcast from yesterday. I only did two full live shows this week, uh, previous to this one.

I just looked at my phone and it's and I've pulled up the Skype and it said showing the conversation. And I thought, oh, you don't see that.

I rang you three four times.

Well, i'll tell you the skite here reading the room and listening to Steve Winwood traffic.

Wow, Well I was getting you know, I called you. If you look back there, you'll see I called you.

And uh, this is the second week in a row that the normal tone that doesn't go off.

I mean, otherwise i'd have picked it up.

Well, you know, there's been a whole.

Reset thesall where you had to reset the tablet. We'll see.

I'm not in the regular room because right, well feedback, I'm in the chat tango room, so there's no audio.

Oh well, but here's the thing. There's been weird stuff going on with me trying to call people and message people and all kinds of crap this week. And I don't know what's happening. Somebody told me that they're not getting my messages on X you know, the the Twitter platform, and they're like, I go to X, it tells me, you know, it sends them an email notification that he's getting a message from me. And uh. The one guy I had on Musician last night is telling me the

Well, this is the second week in a row that the normal ring tone has not gone off for Skype. And so I was sitting there reading the room and I switched over to YouTube. I was getting ready to cut it off. I picked up my phone because it was on the charger. I said, well, shit, something something.

Because I checked the volume volumes up on my phone, I should have heard.

The ring tone.

But when I looked at it, the little green light there next to your name said join call.

So I get that.

Yeah, well, but the reason why is because I added you to a call and called you. That's why you can join in. Because it told me you were unavailable.

I said, Okay, they should have had a green dot next to it on god long on about seven thirty.

Nope, it said you were unavailable. I've been calling you since about like, I was less than a minute late getting started. I wanted to be and then I'm playing a song going where's me, Pete? What's going on? So yeah, and I said to hell with then I went live.

Yeah, but I still would have worked the tone because the phone's right here next to my computer.

So even though I had to, I was.

Listening to YouTube. I would if I always hear it. I'm usually listening to the YouTube, Yeah, because I can't hear from and chat tango. So that's till you call. I figure out, Okay, we're seven minutes late. We're parking the course.

Yeah no, it wouldn't be unusual either, but I was trying to get you on time. Hey, look we got a caller, let's take him. And then I'll do this. It's a little out of order this week now, but I'll check in and get your your week review as soon as I get through with the first caller. Let's get him on the line first. Anyway, you're live, and what's on your mind this week?

This is Danny here in northern California. Since there was nothing going on politics. I heard Jimmy James talk about he had some Watergate information. I'm curious what he had to say when he comes on and I'm ready to put ball season.

Oh, you're ready for football season? Well, I know, bet Pete. Are you ready for football season?

I'm ready.

I'm ready for NFL, not this summer sandlot league crap they've got on the XFL or whatever the hell it is.

Don't USFL?

Is it that the rebooted USFL? Is that what it is? I mean, is it the same teams they had in the eighties, be Pete remember that?

Well, no, there's some of them, but there's some different. You know, there's a lot more franchises now, so it's I mean, you're watching third stringers for stringers.

Right, and Donald Trump doesn't own a team this time, not yet anyway. Now, Uh, he was the part owner of the Jersey Generals. In case people forgot years ago.

There's a lot of them.

There's a lot of a lot of celebrities that have a partial ownership in.

A sports club somewhere.

Oh yeah.

And it's just a method that they use for diversifying their money and as they have to, they can always you know, ride it off as a loss.

So yeah, but what major league I mean, unless you're you know, unless you're the w NBA, what you know, what sports franchise is going to be a loss? Really? Right?

No, I mean if you look at all of baseball, because you've got rookie.

League, you got farm leagues, rookie leagues, uh, single, double, triple A.

And you know every team has got about six or seven farm teams, so every major league team. So you look at baseball, Mason Wide, the Statler Brothers, Dolly Parton and a lot of people in Nashville have got parceal ownership of of teams. But it started, believe it or not, what well. One of the biggest owners was Francis Crockett, who was Jim Crockett from wrestling fame.

His daughter Oh no kidding, he had yes.

She had ownership in like seven or eight different teams.

Wow. Yeah, Jim Crockett was major. You know, back when there was more than one wrestling corporation. He was pretty big. He owned the whole serious territory. I'm pretty sure that was his. Yeah, I mean he owned the stuff. Crockett Promotions controlled I think the Southeast for a long time, you know, until the w w E trashed everybody. But anyways, when I.

Left the Kingston ball team, I went to Charlotte and I was selling tickets during the off season for them and ran into a bunch of wrestlers.

A couple of them.

Uh you know would help out on the field crew in that, but you know it was kind of neat.

She would. Uh this was the.

Old Charlotte Coliseum where they used to film their matches.

Oh yeah, well, I know they had definitely wrestling matches out of Charlotte. I remember Nature Boy Rick Flair talking about it. Anyways, So Danny, let me get a hint about you. Your your You're anxious for NFL, but you got a team.

Uh.

You know, Jimmy James will talk football with you too if you give him a chance. Uh, you got you got a team in mind. Are you at a California guy, because you're close to it? What's up?

Yeah? Yeah, always. I started out as as a as a Oakland Raiders fan.

And then uh, I wasn't happy as they moved to LA and they built a big fan base in LA. And I remember talking to the guy when they moved backed up in northern California who was all pissed off at Al Davis and they go, well, how do you think I feel now they're in Vegas? Yeah, and I've been to the play at the.

Fly Alfato and team back then.

Right, OK, well, see I remember. Look, I love the Raiders along with and I was also a Jets fan because I have a great habit of picking loser sports franchises to follow. But I was a Jets fan in New York and also loved the Raiders because they were nasty. They were just, you know, real nasty players. It was like the Raiders in football and the Flyers in hockey were like exactly the guys that didn't even care about

They were on top of the game. That was a big thing. That's all that mattered to don that.

And they were on top of it exactly.

No.

I loved it because it was just it was hardcore. And you know what, I played football as a kid.

Yeah, every team had a rivalry, but Oakland took it to everybody played.

It didn't matter who they were playing.

You saw Oakland at their bass factor in Madden's time.

Yeah, and I used to, you know, and again I was a Pop Warner player and all that kind of stuff when I was a kid.

Uh.

Literally, I played for a team that that was in Steelers colors, what was called the Falcons in Tinton Falls.

Uh.

And also I was part of a team in West Long Branch today they were called the Whales, I believe, and we were outfitted like the Dolphins. I hated that, but I like the Steelers colors, you know, the black and gold and white depending on whether we were playing at home or away. But uh, yeah, and I was. I was a nasty player. I was all about how many different colors of paint can I get on my helmet? Uh?

Uh.

Some people would say that's why I am the way I am today, But not true. Not true. It wasn't that or the boxing, I assure you. Anyways, Danny, so you used to like the Raiders, but what about now?

Well, I still like the Raiders and they brought me some of my useful high moments of football. They I mean I in the seventies the Super Bowl was the Steelers and the Raiders for the SC Championship game, and I had my heart broken with what they called the Immaculate Reception, and I thought they were going to Super Bowl. They were beating the Steelers seven to six, and that ball bounced off Jack Tatum hit I think he hit Men Swan and the ball the ball bounced into Franco

You know, I got a question for both of you before I move on to the next caller, and it is it's a real strange one because you're bringing up the Steelers and I remember the Steel Curtain obviously, Again, if you're thinking about me being born in seventy two, the Steelers were coming off of four Super Bowl victories, which was an amazing thing at the time. And you know today you get Terry Bradshaw. I think he's still

That commercial?

I mean was it that commercial that did it? Or did he get that commercial? I mean, what what what went down there?

He was good, he was an excellent player, I mean, he had high stats, but they picked him for that commercial and that's what launched him.

I mean it changed you think about it.

Mean, Joe Green, you know, kid offers him the coke he's walking away, hey kid, and he throws him the jersey.

You know, it's it's iconic.

M because he's he's supposed to be like a nasty hardcore player and he's being a nice guy to the kid. So thanks me and Joe Lymph.

See he's limphant when he when he's walking down the hall right and the kid stands on his coke.

So yeah, it just it changed the whole persona thing. But that's what he was. Always an excellent player.

He's a big dude.

Agreed, agreed, agreed. I mean I was no Steelers fans, but I respected him their great Yeah, I started out professional as a hope. That my first love with any with any football team I was four years old. That happens to be Notre Dame. I'm a big, huge Notre Dame fighting Irish fan.

Okay, so with the college ball too. You know the other celebrity from that time period which was amazing to me, and I have no idea how he became a celebrities. I'm not like a big football historian. Baseball. I know some history, but football not so much. It's weird because the other guy was big was Bubba Smith. And the reason why is because he was in uh he was in uh what was it smoking the Bandit movie? I think, and he tackles a car. I think that was it.

Uh.

And then of course OJ gets in on the naked gun thing a few years later, right. But I mean, I don't remember how Bubba Smith became a celebrity. He just was there, you know, along with me and Joe Green. I guess, you know, I didn't realize that coke commercial is what made mean Joe the celebrity. But he was always a good player, but Bubbas was Bubba Smith a good player. I don't even remember.

Him playing as He's another one that was really good.

Yeah, okay, see these are guys I didn't really know. I was just starting to watch football, you know, and the Jets were still crying about Joe Namath, you know, by Sady nine.

Bubba Smith was probably one of the first guys to pull the swim moves. You know, where you'll reach, you'll spin and you'll reach over and basically break.

Through the line with your arm to get through. He was.

He was good at the swim move. So it just opened up a hole. I mean he was in the backfield.

In no time.

Uh okay, So he was that kind of guy. He was like one of those like really fight it out really well and uses his whole size advantage and all that kind of thing.

Oh hell yeah, I throw you all over the field someone size.

He picked me up and tossed me like a door.

Nice. All right, excellent. I you know, I I love that though. I mean, I just remember these guys as the celebrity again. You know, I remember, like I never saw oj play either. Really.

You know, you had the steel curtain, you had to flying turple people leaders in Minnesota, you had you know, that's back when.

But this was playing.

That was that was football at its best. Quarterbacks quarterbacks are too protective now. These guys they used to take hits that most quarterbacks couldn't take.

Today they're not conditioned for it.

Oh yeah, Like I'll never forget that that night that Joe th Eisman got his leg busted. So that was yeah.

Once.

Taylor Man once said, I almost got sick when I saw the replay.

I thought, holy corap. That was Taylor said he almost got sick.

Yeah, well man, well lt was kind of sick in the head.

Uh but you know from the sound of it, he said. The sound is what he remembers.

Oh yeah, I'm sure it was something that they were an iconic moment in football.

You know, people that saw that saw a game when the game was at its best. That was a damn good game between the Giants and Redskins.

There you go. But uh, you know again, I was watching stuff in New York and I remember it's at a certain point the Jets had to play in uh in uh Shay Stadium. Even it was it was a weird time too. There was all kinds of things going on, and the Jets would always you know, how are they going to blow it this year? It was like, oh, you're a Jet span and you're a Mets fan too, so you enjoyed disappointments too.

That I said. I got a question for our guests.

Did did Las Vegas also get their hockey team from California.

Or was that a new franchise. I think that the Knights was a new franchise. But I oh, okay, I'm home to the Stanhok series with my son and grandson to Vegas, and I'm telling you that is an amazing place to watch a football game. I was pretty impressed with the stadium there in Vegas. Oh would like to check it out. It looks I mean it's the temperatures perfect, the views perfect. Where you go up to get your food, I mean they had they were doing like these carved

Is that the guy who's way to Dandy? Is that the guy in San Francisco who's got an absurdly long Italian name that's like like eighteen meters long. Okay, I tell you something weird. I was told that, Like I can't remember his name either, but I was told that somehow, like we have cousins in common, this guy. I don't

I even try to pronounce it. I don't hear his name enough to really have it sync in, but just to give you idea, I mean right by his rest and you get it by the slice. My son and daughter in law when they moved back from LA to northern California, they went to work in the techni industry and they lived in Northeast and I would drop when their first child was born, I would drop my wife there on a Sunday night. We'd go there late Sunday afternoon and you could just smell the food. It's the

Yeah, I've never been to San Francisco. But he's got some ridiculous name like g g Upon Luca, Momoney, gim Monaco, you know, like yeah, it's that ridiculous, Like, yeah, you're better off because I don't know anybody who can pronounce that name. Uh you know, so, yeah, somebody spelled it out for me and I said, God, that's ridiculous. What happened? I mean, did they like, you know, did they like put two people's paperwork together at Ellis Island or what?

Yep?

And Danny's in luck because for weeks saw I've been doing this wallowing and.

Watergate wallowing in Watergate. Okay, so a couple of things. You sent me a clip, well, you sent me not a clip, but he sent me a marker to tell me where to look on a particular show. And I went and I found it on YouTube so that we could play it. But I was wondering what the importance of that clip was. I wanted to talk to you about it. Is it an important clip or am I just does it mean anything?

There is no importance.

There is no importance to it other than it was the first time that the young Roger Stone perhaps got a shout out from alternative media.

And that's all I'm yeah. Nineteen seventy seven, right, Jimmy. It was May Brussel, Yeah, yep.

She pretty much summed up there then.

Need to.

But now that's not really important.

Okay, fair enough, she used to, But you know what's ad I know what's wild about May. Hold on a second, Jimmy. You know what's wild about May is a lot of times she would go off on tangents and she saw

Well, I've been sticking to my continual deep dive in the Watergate, and yeah, of course I later remembered Hogan's allegations, and he'll be interested that. No one that I've been reading or listening to disputes his allegations. In fact, most of them build on it. So I've been reminded again of Hogan's work, and.

I was Blagden was his name.

But yeah, nineteen ninety book.

You're talking about older works.

Yeah, you're talking about Jim Hogan. You're talking about Jim Hogan right.

From the seventies, and then in nineteen ninety there was another book kind of old now, but what's that guy's name? Well, anyways, some of the newer.

Information Anthony Sommers. Are you talking about the Anthony Summers book.

Nah, it's after that. It came out about nineteen ninety.

His names like.

Hispanic that I recall.

Right, all right, well, let me see what I can get here.

It doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter because all these people pretty much can see to these two people's points. They pretty much And the first person, of course I spoke about before. His name was Jeff Shepard, and he was one of Nixon's attorneys and he did his best series, in my opinion, is if you could find it, if you look for him. He did a college course for Temple University and he's got like thirteen episodes, fourteen episodes there, and they're very good.

Now, I wonder if Joan Mellen ran out. I wonder if Joan Mellon ran into him because she was a you know, I wonder if Joan Mellon ran into him because she was a professor for many years at Temple University. And after Yeah, and the Hogan book that you're talking about, a secret Agenda, and that's by Jim Hogan. It was released in nineteen eighty four. According to what I read here, and I'll put the link in the chat room on

Anyway, go ahead, m Sorry, this gets expanded on.

Not only does this guy that's a lawyer in college instructor he says, basically, someone brings up the Jim Hogan book. He says, I like Jim Hogan, and I'm actually fond of his ideas, but due to this being a college course, if you want to discuss that, it'll have to be after the class, because the main trust of his classes was an insider's view, because he was literally there, and he's just got all kinds of interesting things, and he focuses on basically, his focuses.

Were on how Nixon was.

Cheated because the prosecution, the judge, and the Congress and all sorts of people were working together, which is illegal and legal matters ex partey, they can't be doing that, and he covers all that beautifully. So then I found another guy's work named John O'Connor. Now his work is called well, let's see the Mysteries of water Gate. Now he again he's got no problem with Cogan's work. And

Yeah, that's one of them. John O'Connor is an interesting guy. By the way, I am friendly with a John O'Connor. And the funny thing is, I'm not sure if this guy is the author of that book or not the John O'Connor that i'm friendly with weirdly, but anyway, go ahead.

Well, this guy's he's.

Got a very interesting podcast and book about it.

And o connor has a pocket boy.

He just.

Huh, when did O'Connor start a podcast?

I don't know. Well, this is is actually from four years ago. There is a limited podcast and as pre much the summation of his book after Jeff Shepard's Temple series, I would say go through this and you'll find out such interesting things as Michael Stevens, well, who's he Well, he was the bugs manufacturer fabricator that James McCrory picked to make the bugs. You'll also find out that the bugs that were installed were satellite bugs, which creep and no one in the White House would have even had

Bring him up again.

So they didn't, and of course the defense knew nothing about any of this.

Well, what's funny, is, Jimmy, what's funny is how many of these dead end guys are involved in the Watergate affair. There's a bunch of people whose identities lead to nowhere, isn't there?

Right?

Well, here you go. There actually was a sixth Burglar and his name was Lou Russell. Now there's some crazy keeping guy running out there claiming his dad was the sixth Burglar. Well, obviously not, or else he would have known about Lou Russell, the actual sixth Burglar.

What did he do?

Well, he was listening to the taps. What did he say that he kept cheering under oak And this was mentioned in Jim Hogan's books. He said, well, mostly I kept hearing a bunch of what sounded like perverted private talk. We went played the committee. Tod never mention Lou Russell, never mentioned Michael Stevens, never mentioned this weird man Pennington, all of whom were very much connected to James McCord.

It's more.

Short reasons that we now know based on the work of doctor John Newman. Of course, James from Accord was a Soviet mold. Not only was he bungling the Burgurly burg.

Girl whatever burglary.

Yes, he actually brought his own man with him that none of the other burglars knew about why he kept leaving the burger.

Well, here's the other question, Jimmy, here's the other question. Yeah, I have another one of these mystery man questions for you though, because I don't remember if it was in Hogan's book or if it was in one of the early you know Insider. They didn't claim it was a non fiction book by an anonymous writer. But there was a crossover here where they had a young guy who

Well, I'll take a while, guess and say that it was good to see.

Here, either Russell Stevens or Pennington.

Yeah, because nobody ever names him, nobody ever goes after him. And it's weird because it's like, hey, we don't even need to know who that is. But the guy's driving. If he's driving people around and dropping him off, he's obviously got pertinent information. So why did nobody go to find out what's happening?

This guy absolutely buys your guys.

This series on.

The Purpose was basically him and Jeff Shepard and all. The author's conclusion is that John Dene was mostly responsible and he was trying to get information to that embarrassed wife. My conclusions are a little different. I think that James mccordord was piggybacking yet another CIA operation or just making one and getting intelligence for the Russians.

Well, I think multiple things, so yeah, to do multiple things were going on here, and I think the absolute purpose, the primary purpose, in my mind, was to was to

Don't believe, No, I don't believe Helmes was involved with at all with Watergate in my opinion so far, I mean, I'm open to so Faray.

I think things went down as it a.

Pierce Magruder and Dean or the mommy and the daddy of this thing.

Okay.

I don't even think John Mitchell was knowledgeable at the time. They told him after the.

Facts and he may or may not.

He bonded to fight the thing in court that his lawyer wouldn't loud.

Well he tried.

I don't know it's a weird thing. It's a weird thing with Mitchell. True. But but but the reason why I keep bringing up Helms is because look, who else would have had off the shelf guys that nobody is even going to bother to acknowledge existed?

Right?

Who else has guys like that?

Right?

I will tell you that mister Soley, who was James Jesus Sangleton's boss and also Soviet mole, pretty much have the power to make things like this happen.

So you think that's.

Yeah, because you know these guys basically have you know, a phone book of assets that they can call upon, you know, to put into action when you need somebody to be there, but never be proven that he was there and not actually exist. You know, a guy who shows up who's got ID and everything else, but when you go to check, the guy doesn't exist and then he disappears. I mean that is a fairly unique asset back then. To have guys who knew how to operate

I think he? I don't know that solely was the top guy on this. I mean Macor definitely is involved, and since solely was technically a court superior. I mean, I don't know how RUSSI inspiring is wrong. But I did find through the Mary Farrell that the Stevens guy, Yeah, he was a non bugger from the nineteen fifties.

The FBI had records on him.

He was an official CIA employee, He was contracted at times, he directly worked for McCords, Little Mullan and whatever, so he was quaused i CIA. This is what everything keeps going back to mcford, which makes me think that I don't know, I just don't know if this I mean, I'm open to it. I traditionally always thought it was the CIA or Nixon, but with these revelations from John Newman that there's just and there's just all kinds of Soviet moles there.

And there's also a part going on behind.

Water Gate that I'm still not clear on. Apparently there was quote unquote a military spiring operating in the White House. I still don't know exactly what the devil they're talking about.

Well, this is why guys like Gordon Nobel become useful, right, because you know a guy who has some electronics expertise, a little bit of a specialty who nobody wants to claim doesn't actually have a legit job or a connection, you know, where they become quasi assets stuff like that. And Nobel's just one of the more notable characters, because he was quite a character, right, But these other guys, it's just a weird nexus that comes together, and I think that reveals a lot of who the real hands

You got one quick thing that I's fascinating was that the cash found on Dorothy Hunt was not creep money. It was John Dene money, which she made Witty take the Florida and Liddy body bondered it, which she didn't because they didn't take them much effort to figure out exactly.

What he did.

And you're talking about the money that was that was in her vicinity when she died after the plane crash, the ten grand they found or whatever that money.

Right, Yeah, on her smoldering person quirks. And there was some kind of message written on one hundred dollars bill, though I can't on one bill. I can't remember exactly what it says off hand, but just another bizarre thing.

Unless somebody's got a photograph of that hundred dollars bill, I would think that a message written on one hundred dollars bill is likely closer to urban legend than reality. That would be one of the dumbest damn things to do in the world, to write a message on one hundred dollars bill that you're expecting somebody to either deposit somewhere.

Or exact pass. It's just just more like to or from and then like initials or It wasn't like, hey, this is what's going on.

It was just like a few Yeah. It's just interesting.

It almost sounds to me like it's it's part of the urban legend though, you know what I mean, because you know, like the guy who says he heard the gunshot when what's his name there blew his brains out, you know, and turns out he was, you know, not even in the state at the time. De Moorinshield. Right when de Mornshield died, there was a couple of people that claim to have actually heard the gunshot and then

Another guy, yeah, good didn't, No.

Not not Gayton Fonzie, Gayton fons He was trying to approach him, and uh, and then Mark Lane and a group of other people had heard the recording at the inquest, but somebody who claimed to actually have been there like at the moment it happened I'm talking about, and uh, Bill O'Reilly claimed that at one point, but then we found out he was full of crap, you know, a big shocker there.

But yeah, that's when I realized that Bill O'Reilly is not a tripayer tirt.

No, he's a he's a good performer.

You know.

He had a shtick that was working for him quite well late nineties going into you know, post nine to eleven reality. I was an avid watcher of Bill O'Reilly in like say, nineteen ninety nine, two thousand. You know, he was interest even if I agreed with a lot of what he said, but even if I didn't, I found him fascinating as a broadcaster because his his shtick was entertaining, you know, no spin Zone, and then he

Yeah, I noticed he had a tendance seated too that everyone would plain about it.

Yeah, And look, I was so much of a listener and watcher of Bill O'Reilly that I think I owned three of his books, one of them on audio and two that I actually you know, sat down to read and it was all, you know, it was all all right wing hype and all and things were better in the old when I was a kid in New Jersey, Bill O'Reilly, so you know whatever.

Anyways, the only thing and the first thing I ever looked at at by him was JFK, which just sad is to be something I knew about, so I immediately pretty much knew what he was about. Right after that, I said, Okay, this guy's full of more craft than an.

Out of which which part of the JFK thing did you come in on? Because back in the days when he was doing Inside Edition, uh, you know, he was out there making allegations, and you know, we talked to Gayton Phonsie and Gating Fonsie told us that you know this and this is good.

In the nineties, I seen him as a totally different of course, from yeah, like you said, that other show where he would actually show so called conspiracies angles and the JFK thing one of the few places right.

And then he started writing his Killing Everybody book series, you know, Killing Kennedy, Killing Lincoln killing. I can't even remember everybody was it killing Truman. I don't know how many how many people was he, you know, the killing of this one and that one. Yeah, them all, Yeah, killed them all.

He killed them all to kill them all books series.

It was wonderful, was buying. He did find that one, that one tramp and interviewed him. Yeah, and he assured everyone that him and his bodies didn't kill anyone.

Well, unfortunately, I got to tell you, I actually believe the story that Bill O'Reilly ran, not because Bill O'Reilly ran it, but you know, because there was backing for that in my mind, and the stuff that people tried to make it out to be Howard hot.

And all that.

Yet I think that one thing he did great in the nineties, I believed that that was the tramp that they always call hunt. It wasn't right, this guy said, no, believe me, I'm the guy it wasn't not right. That's one thing where I'm like, thanks Bill, Yeah.

There's I'll thank him for that because that was good. And you know, it also wasn't Chauncey Holt. It also wasn't you know, any other Watergate people. It just was these three guys who did look strange, but they just look strange. It's nothing, and that's that's the amazing. People will still go back to that. Go I don't know, you look at the guy's ear and I think it looks like, come on, you're giving me earprint evidence from a blurry, black and white photograph that's been blown up

Go ahead, Carlin, the truth about the JFA assassination.

Right, well, what do you want to know?

Dy Baker's wild claim Oswald girlfriend he knew Ruby and Barry answer weapons?

Really?

I imagine I could claim I have four wheels. It doesn't make me a wagon.

But okayal on the building and I'm trying to prevent the murder of John Kennedy.

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Well, RWIE sucked. Basically we have been hit with rain. I mean it sucked that loud. We've been hit with rain every damn day. Jobs has been shut down. We haven't done anything in five days, so I mean it's it's been that bad.

Everything has been training up the coast and we get it during the day and then we really get it bad overnight. I mean, thunderstorms do sound like you're sleeping in the bar and alley.

Uh, it's been pretty intense.

I'm getting ready to go out in the morning and put some pontoons on my lawnlowder.

Tackle the front yard, pontoons on the lawndower. That sounds like, yeah, it's it's it.

You've had flash flood warnings all over the place, tornado warnings, stuff like that when these funds and finally this front is moving through.

So my sinuses are quick screaming. But other than that, I mean, it's been it's been a very hectic week.

But I would like to say, you know, put a note out there to all the powers that be that they've got to change their damn schedule because I get tired of stuff happening.

The minute we go.

Off air on Friday night, corap.

Starts happening, and we don't get to talk about it for a week. So by the week goes by and you're tired of talking about it by the end of the week. So they need to redo their schedule or either we need to switch to Monday night.

Yeah plan, Yeah, plan your resignations and political scan and you know, alleged assassination attempts and all that stuff.

Yeah, I mean it's it's really getting hard.

To stay up with it.

But right, but by the time the end of the week gets here, I've heard so much crap this week about two seaters and three seaters and four seaters and.

Five guns and.

Did you did you see that water tower?

I'm sorry, did you see Mike Adams thing about how like no shots were actually fired by the kid crooks? Did you see that?

No?

Okay, no, Mike Adams, which Mike Adams, the.

Health ranger, Mike Adams, you know, yeah, that guy will have to link to that. I'll get it for you. I think I put it in the chat room actually and said uh and and said, Jimmy James, give me your reaction to this, because I think Adams states that, you know, he's been reviewing the video and the pictures and uh, you know, dude, he says, uh, yeah, this kid never fired a shot. Why is the gun seven feet away from the body? Blah blah blah. And I'm like, wow, I mean, I am not responding to this, but I

Well, I'll go and look at it. But it's been I mean some of the stuff that I've heard. Some of the stuff I've heard makes a lot of sense. Some just that's crazy.

But see, that's the thing is you got that. Yeah, you got conspiracy theorists, you know, going going full bore conspiracy theorist, you got official explanation defenders and and all that going, you know, full tilt boogie on that BS. And then you got you know, the Trump, the Trump narrative. But there is a whole lot of other crazy out

Yeah, the part that ticks me off. And it has just come out the past couple of days, and this is the coupd of draw.

They are already wiping websites of quotes and stories.

Yep, a voul Kamala yep.

And I really have to make myself say Kamala because the only other Kamala I know was a wrestler.

And the ugandhan Ja I said it was Kamala, not Kamalata, the giant kamaladon giant.

Well, yeah, to think about, that's the only other. That's the only other Kamala. You know, It's just it's crazy.

But when they start trying to rewrite history, I mean, just how stupid do these people think the public really is?

That's what amazes me. These are mainstream news sources out.

There, you know, just handing out the same piece of paper with the same bullet points and they all are reading from it.

Yep.

It's so hilarious that I just can't believe that they actually think the public is that stupid, that there's not some people out there that are going to call them on it.

But the shock is amazing. The shocker is the public is that stupid? Number one? Number two. Yeah, that's where we're at.

Uh.

And and by the way, I guess you didn't live in enough black neighborhoods. I've known plenty of people over the years, tangentially that were named uh Kamala, but they were all Kamalas and uh, yeah, they were generally girls, and uh they were not of mixed heritage according to them. You know what I'm saying. They were black, Uh, and that was that. And they you know, it's like all the girls named Tunisia, and you know, Kamala goes along with just those names. You know what I'm saying.

Those those I've never I've lived all over the United States, I've never run into another Kamala.

Yeah, no, there's there's plenty. I mean, I every neighborhood I used to move into, there was two, three, four of them, no problem. I mean, it wasn't quite as big as Jennifer in the white community, but it was kind of like, uh, kind of like a Stacy as a name. Stacy was as popular in the white communities or the mixed communities as say, Kamala was in black communities and mixed communities. So uh, yeah, no common Kamala. I saw all the time. This Kamala, which is a

It's amazing how far she's gone down this.

This is a person that never had a single primary vote in her favor, not as president, been in a primary, and here she is supposedly going to take the helm of the Democratic.

Party for this election only in America.

Think about it.

Did you win in America?

Could you not even have to run in a primary and you could be president?

Well wait a minute, Well she ran in primaries, just not for long, right, No, she didn't know she got.

Out before the first primary.

She ran, So when she did that debate and everything that was before the first primary. I barely remember this now, remember the debate where she's like the first Okay, did she ever run in a primary when she was, you know, in California? No, did she ever run? I mean, because I know she did. She didn't make it in the presidential primary? Cool, but did she ever run any?

For me? Is the ag? In is the Attorney General of San Francisco. They run for that. I appo she was in that primary.

But this is somebody that has never been in a presidential primary that's getting ready to take the.

Helmet and be on the ballot and could win, could win?

Yeah, fair enough.

Yeah, No, she ain't doing that. But I mean, let's see.

I mean that's how this whole week's spin and trying to keep up with him spin. Heactic to go and work.

We've had stuff blown apart work. It's just got so much water on the job site, like two inches of rain a day, two inches of rain at night for six days. It's been hectic trying to stay on top of it. They is the assassination stuff. Trying to stay on top of that, it's almost impossible. But I did find a story that I know you're not going to hear anywhere else.

Of all deaths directly linked to COVID shots. Autopsy data shows.

This group of American oncologists, cardiologists, doctors, and scientists and some pre big names in there did a study using autopsy reports, and they're saying that.

A damning new study has revealed.

That autopsy data shows COVID MRMA shots have overwhelming and contributed to all cause deaths around the world. They've done the study and says it's COVID shots are directly linked to seventy three point nine percent of all deaths.

Now, when are you going to hear that in the mainstream media?

Oh, mainstream forget it. I've seen that published on a couple of substacks that that happened, but I wasn't certain that anybody would speak of it anywhere.

Yeah, and very quickly I did some research while we were in the break.

There are thirteen editions in the Killing series by Bill O'Reilly and he kills Let's see a Killing, Reagan, chilling, Kennedy, chilling, Jesus, killing, England killing, Potton killing, the SS, killing the Rising Sun, Chilling, Crazy Horse killing, the Mob Killing the Killers and killing the witches, and then he's got his thirteenth book is a combination Killing Lincoln Killing Kennedy.

Oh oh okay, so he put that out later, that combo book.

Huh.

He put out that combo Kennedy and the Lincoln book later. It was like a second edition kind of deal. Yeah, yes, okay,

Yeah.

Well, and that's why I was asking about this. Martin Dugard.

Bill o'roniy writes books by hiring someone to write the book for him.

He doesn't spend a lot of time on these books.

He comes up with his general bullet points he wants to make has left up somebody else put it together.

Yeah, well, it kind of sounds like, you know, Dick Russell's job when it comes to writing with Jesse Ventura, right, I mean basically, Dick Russell pulls together the research and they and the raw guts of the thing and says, here's the proof for the for the crap that Jesse just said, you know on the last page, right, I mean, isn't that the way that's that that book team runs? Go ahead?

Yeah, Well, and you can find all of his stuff at McMillan Publishers.

There you go. And Roger Stone another guy who had you know, various co authors with him, and he doesn't really do all the work. He has somebody else doing.

You I understand all the big to do about Roger Stone. He seems to me, I don't know.

It seems to me to be one of those persons that will interject himself into a situation.

But I understand what the big deal is. I've never understood where he.

Either contributed or didn't contribute or calls or I mean, he was responsible for what dirty tricks factor in Nixon's times or in elections.

No, no, no, that's a plain defect.

No, that's not it. That's where his career begins. Okay, but he's involved with you know, the Willie Hort thing. He's involved with various presidential campaigns. He's involved with a whole bunch of different campaigns, but he's never the guy who's up front. He's one of those behind the scenes.

You're tranquilizers. Another payoff was Carl Feldbaund, the former assistant Watergates Special prosecutor, and he was named to just recently the Defense Department as the Inspector General's post. He's been promoted to the US Defense Department. And it was the Defense Department that was working to get Richard Nixon out because of his stand for its opening up Dunton with Russia and China, and a far with the right wing

See it's weird stuff like that. That Rogerstone ends up doing. Right, you know, it turns around and uh, it literally directs a donation to somebody and then alerts the newspaper. Hey, this guy's getting money from a communist organization. Stuff like that. You know, these kind of tricks and things that he was always involved in pulling and masterminding. Actually, and this is what made him useful himself.

To me, it just sounds like a run of the mill, every day crap in DC. Well, except I don't see where he was well, but he should be a celebrity over it.

Well, but if he's a high level operative at that, and he's a mover and a shaker in those fields, and he literally dreams this stuff up in order to smear people, in order to you know, turn the electorate against him and literally influence elections constantly by the fact that he's involved in who can get the most mud on him faster?

You know what?

Can you say the level of influence that he had there was probably pretty high because his name kept coming up with everybody, and yet nobody ever would bust him for literally doing something directly illegal. He would be on the fringes of stuff, just on the outside of illegal operations just on the you know, definitely on the side

I mean. But what I'm saying is is those are everyday things.

Those are everyday occurrences, and they've been going on in politics since politics. But I just don't see where he's become such a celeb because of it. Well because it because he hasn't had to pull any time, who knows, But I.

Just if he's literally the guy, if he's literally the guy who's creating a lot of this stuff. I mean not finding it out and then just revealing it, but literally creating it, making sure it gets revealed, and directing political scandal after political scandal on mass like on a daily basis. This guy might be responsible for a lot of the static that's come out, a lot of the corruption,

I'm saying is there's been people doing that, especially since the sixties on when you had student group that were working for each party. I mean, this is I just don't understand how he's worked it into a celebrity status a bit that way.

Well, but there were fifty guys who came up with the you know, with the personal computer concept, and there was one hundred guys who came up with the operating system concept, and only one of them gets to be built gates, and only one of them gets to be you know, the guys from Apple, Steve Jobs, whatever, because they are prolific and they do it better than everybody else, and maybe they do it one hundred times more than everybody else, right, So I think that's what it is,

I don't know.

I still don't get it.

I just don't see.

You know, I'm sure that he's involved in a lot of stuff, but because there are a lot of stuff that's taking credit for him that he had nothing to do with, but nobody knows, so nobody can call him on I just I just don't understand the celebrity status of Roger Stone. I would think he'd be not shunned. But you know, who would want to have anything to do with it at this point? I wouldn't if I were running a campaign, I would. I mean, there's something

Well, look, there were a lot better and better moneymakers than John Gotti as a gangster, right. There were a lot of guys who had higher body counts, who had ordered more people killed, who controlled larger mob families than John Gotti. Right, But you know who John Gotti was you know what I'm saying. And at the same time, maybe he is at the top of the influential list for the people that you know, again, he was not long ago in Donald Trump's camp, and after that he

You know.

I don't think it was just a loyalty from Trump that bought him the part and he got you know again.

Oh, that was one of the things I did like about Trump when Trump ran the first time was this association with Roger Stone.

I thought, you know, this is not between that and his pick for a spiritual advisor of Paula White.

Between those two right there, I didn't want anything to do with Trump still got really yeah.

But see the result though. See that's the thing is doesn't matter how dirty you feel about it. If the result is the result, then who cares?

Right?

Did John Gotty get the job done? Did John gott he control his family? He sure did. He ended up going to prison eventually when he walked away a lot of times. And this is what made him a legend. So you know, here you go, right, So this guy is a legend because he is out there letting you know his name, and still operates and has operated now

You just want to bring in Jimmy and Danny and let them, I'm sure Danny's got some questions.

For Jimmy, Okay, So.

You want me to grab Danny first and then and then let Jimmy on while Danny's talking, Yeah, i'd be all right. So Jimmy, you prepare and we'll bring Danny back on, and of course, anybody else that wants to call in, we will get you in before the end of the show. And Aaron Franz starts in about thirty minutes uh here on O'Kelly dot com radio with the age of transitions at ten pm Eastern, and then that'll

Oh, I got, I got, I got some comments and questions and thoughts. I'm sorry you had a sick EP. I agree with you, Chuck that the public is stupid. And I remember now, Corrict if I'm wrong, but I remember reading a Bill O'Reilly book because my cousin really encouraged me to want to read it was killing MacArthur because I had read William Manchester's The American Chaser in the past. And maybe I'm ball.

Now.

Look, he wrote a bunch of those killing books. Me Pete listed him. But before that, you know, he wrote books about pretty much make America great again, bring it back to the old days like it was when I was a kid in Jersey was like four or five books before. I don't remember the names of these things, but they were super popular and they sold really well, and I own and probably four books. I know, I had one on audio that he read, and then I had a couple that I actually, you know, had the

Go to a couple of thoughts, and then then I would like to hear Jimmy's opinion on it.

You know.

One thing about May Brussell, I believe she had a degree in Stanford University and philosophy, so she just she was taught how to think and not just what to think. So it was really interesting that clip that you shared. It said that I caught My interests was the Korean CIA, and I know as I'm listening to everything. A lot of this is going back to just always the same circle as Cold War politics, and I don't know. And

Which was.

Richard Helmes and Richard Nixon, the CIA and the presidency. But I kind of getting this, you know, Richard Nixon came out of that California, the Orange County. It was kind of a very anti communist John Birch Society type of mentality. So any comments that maybe I brought out that either here, Jimmy starts.

Well, Jimmy's on with you, so good.

Jimmy, Well, the one book you brought up was the one I couldn't remember the title of from nineteen ninety What can you remember? It's when I think by Lehn something or another.

Yeah, Silent I remember I read it when it came out. It was a long time ago.

Silent Coop The Removal of the Silent Coop The Removal of a President, which was published in nineteen ninety two by Lynn Colin Me and Robert Geitlin.

Yeah, yeah, that was jeez, I forget.

I don't know how come those names didn't roll off my tongue.

Yeah, their name means they're not really easy ones. And I had more le on about that Scorpions Dance book, by the way, But yeah, go ahead, Jimmy.

As far as it was, Helm's also must him with Nickson?

I don't.

I don't know.

He might.

I've always assumed so, but newer evidence suggests that I may have been long. Perhaps it wasn't the CIA, perhaps is more like the KGB.

Well see, I would contend that even if it is CIA moles that are working for the KGB, at certain points they might have collaborated together with other CIA people on this particular operation. This may have nothing to do with him being a KGB mole, the one guy you're talking about, and could be a separate operation.

Right.

Uh So I got an open mind about this.

What do we have?

I can only assuredly say, Jimmy and I and I say this with with the most conviction possible is that this was orchestrated by intelligence operatives who would definitely part of that world.

Uh.

And this was the thing that actually brings Nixon down. It's not that he was such a master criminal. It's not that he was so dirty. Uh, you know, was he was he completely clean? No, he was a politician at the highest levels in America. You don't get there being completely clean in my mind. So, but was he basically intentionally targeted by people in the intelligence community in business? Absolutely, that's in my mind. But you know, you guys could have a different opinion about it.

Good Jimmy, can I.

Goodny?

I remember because my my father, he was a businessman and he was a conservative Republican Nixon. Nixon was was who my household was all four and I remember the water Gate carings. You know, I was pretty young. I watched enough until I wanted to go outside and play baseball. But I remember when he resigned. My father said he didn't excuse some of the actions, except that he said, well, the cover up was the problem, and he was obviously

It was a weird time.

But I remember the reflection only in America that you can remove a president. There wouldn't be a buddy of rebevel or shape. I do remember those thoughts.

Yeah, the Frost the Frost Nixon interview is profoundly interesting. We have another caller. I'm going to bring Jimmy and Danny back on to continue the Watergate discussion, but I want to give another caller a chance to get on. Uh six oh nine area code. Looks like you are live on the O'Kelly effects, So speak your mind, whatever is on your mind, go for it.

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Way, Ah, that's a sick Okay, that's not a nine. I thought it was a nine O eight area code. It's a six six in. Nevermind, we know who it is, regular Joe. It is good to hear from you, brother, uh. And we heard from you earlier in the week. I didn't know it was you calling in.

Yeah, I ran into a crazy problem where I had to change my phone numbers, so I didn't know if i'd ever given you the new one or not, so I want to save that one you had not.

So I better make a note of it.

But I'll puffing it in your gut.

Hey, I appreciate it. Thank you, and you put it in the chat on Skype. Don't give it to the world because God knows who'll call you man, Okay.

Anyway, And also your guests are just great.

VP Jimmy James, your caller Day from California.

It's just it's just always good to tune in.

And here's the otailing networks still going.

I've been trying to keep it going as as long as I can, been over ten years now, and we're still counting, you know, And I appreciate you and your contributions. Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah, I've been listening and participating in.

It for nine years now.

Can you believe that?

Has it been that many?

With you?

I didn't realize that nine years.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I started started messaging you and listening to your show back in fifteen.

I think, yeah, I think I was on AFR at that time, still right.

You, Yeah, yeah, I found you through listening to Freeman Fly for the very first time I'd ever listened to him, and I heard the Greek, and the Greek promoted you, and and I've been here ever since.

There you go. So the Greek actually netted me one listener and here he is, which I love. But it's it's an interesting story, and going all the way back, I didn't realize it was that far back. You know, I've come to think of you as sort of a fixture in my life. You're one of my friends. I talked to you a lot more off air than on air, so and who knows, I might even move to your to your area. I mean, we're going to try and move at the beginning of this coming year. And it's

Uh.

But the thing is, yeah, and I might might be a neighbor of yours coming up soon.

That would be great.

And I'm actually going to try to visit you before fall, I mean almost. I set out to make the trip once and I made it almost Chattanooga, and I got really tired and turned around and came home.

Well, look, man, I appreciate you. I thank you for calling in. I didn't didn't know who I was interrupting those two talking with, but but I'm glad. I'm actually glad it was you, and I appreciate you encouraging people to go ahead and hit the donate button. I wasn't even gonna say anything tonight, but I do appreciate it because, as I brought up at the beginning, you know, times are tough, and yeah, I'm taking in less and everything costs more, just like it does for I don't know everybody.

Two No, No, I'd rather just listen to those two go go back and forth on the Watergate discussion and I'll.

Just bow out and be a listener as I began with the Otley Network.

Thank you, man. I appreciate you, regular Joe, everybody, and I would give you his Twitter handle, but I think he quit Twitter again recently. Yeah he did, and there you go. So not a social media guys, but he's been along for this ride now for nine years. Didn't realize that, but probably one of the longest lasting listeners actually nine years. Damn b Pete. When did you start listening to the show? Maybe I put Bpete to sleep? All right, well, let's see I will get Danny and

Right about that? I think you.

Yeah. Anyways, so Jimmy, Nathan something like that. So Jimmy, maybe you want to maybe you want to respond to Danny. Jimmy, because we got about sixteen more minutes left here in this hour before we have to turn it over to Aaron Franz. So yeah, go ahead, man.

Well thanks to working there too. The nice penments and to Danny, I thought I responded to the last pins, we'll lose your question, Danny.

I was just kind of some thoughts about you know, Kelway's comes back to the Cold War. You know, it made Brussels Fox You talked about the Korean CIA, and that always made me think about some of their activities. I think it was called the World Anti Communist League, and you know, now I was thinking.

More about it.

You know that they were heavily involved with the with the Moonies and you know Roger Stone and dirty Tricks and it could be KGV. I mean, Angleton's closest friend, wasn't it Phil Kilby, you know, and about it was there's definitely seems like it was a takedown. You know, it was a sloppy operation. You know, they're meant to

Well acutely, I agree.

I mean that that's what makes this in the JFK assassination, the complications to win. I mean, you were you were there, I was there, we were all there. And the war it's just so own emstasy.

I mean it.

Literally was half the world against the other half of the world.

Mhmm. And who was that other guy that was constantly running for president? I can't believe in blanking on his name for many years.

Uh.

There was also kind of like really in the tick of things, but was always on the strange sort of outside of it. Uh, he was like a continuous president Laruche. That's it. The Laruche people were highly active at that time too, right, Yes, yes.

They were involved in a lot of a lot of crazy.

I remember.

Was the governor from Alabama, Wallace Sea Lings. You know, there there were some strange stuff going on. I remember it was also too. I think it was a Shirley Chisholm. She wrote a piece of freedom.

Mm hmm.

Well, Laruche, the Laruge people still exist as an organization. I mean a few years back and now it's many years back, but seems real recent to me, I got like accosted by Larouge people outside of a post office in New Jersey for a minute. Uh, and they were just all about trying to get me to buy a fifty dollar book about you know how Bara Black Obama is a complete, completely fabricated creation of the CIA and all that stuff. And meanwhile Supportland and LaRouche. Uh. And

Yeah, but interestingly, I from what I've seen, did you see that did I posted about James Jesus Ankle tim being such a prolific uh.

Source for the FBI? They literally were sitting saying that they might have to open up another wing.

Hmm No, I don't think I saw that piece.

Well, that's pre pertinent. I mean this is internal FBI documents. They said, he just constantly gives us so much information there's no point of even giving him a fake name. This and that he's an he's already our source.

H yeah. No, Look, if you.

Volumeless information, question was was it true or was it fake?

Or was it what was he doing?

See, there's the problem with Angleton because sometimes he fabricated things in order to create a response. Right, So, I mean this is the issue with counterintelligence. You know, sometimes you create stuff in order to elicit a response from an opponent. Even it's a weird world you get into, you know. I always like to point to the how did MK ultra get started? Well, realistically, they had rumors that turned out to not be true about the Soviet programs.

You know?

I mean, so one wonders sometimes if the counterintelligence people in some cases like Engleton and will wind up doing more harm than good when they're fabricating things. And I mean, I'm trying to think of this on a very surface level. I'm not a fan of the guy or anything, but but I'm also not one of these oh my god, he's part of like the Dermonica, you know whatever. It's weird.

Jimmy, Yeah, I mean, I.

Kind of petty Helms having the full n Senko that think. Clearly history is still that Helms's thought was correct. Of course, this guy is full of craft. The KGBS is all over Oswald like stink tampoop.

Yeah, and they got nothing out of them. That was the thing about Oswald. They got zero. They were like, you know, wow, they couldn't believe the level of nothing they got at Oswald from what I understand.

Sure, but maybe their whole point was to get Marina here.

Well there's something else.

I have no idea because it wasn't investigated properly. There you go to figure stuff out there.

And there's the key at the end of the day. Right, It's sad when you're getting more information from Ernst Tintovitz book about Lee Harvey Oswald than you can from the alleged investigations, right, I mean, do you get more legitimate information about this guy? I mean they had nothing on him in Russia? Right, or Minsk? Really he was actually

I absolutely agree, and I appreciate Professor Hancock in particular's work.

In the last year to.

Really deepprogramming me of this idea that Lee Harb Oswald was somehow secretly John Berts Society hard wing Republican, which I just because everyone in the community all I said it, I just I don't know, I took it for granted.

I guess. Yeah.

The problem is a lot of that stuff is more about these people's preconceived notions and prejudices than it is about what's actually in the evidence when they come to categoriz characterizing somebody. And there was a point in time when the majority of the assassination you know, research community was left wing. It's not like that now, and it hasn't been for a long time, but that stuff still resonates because people are still referring back to this old work.

You so appreciate him a lot, absolutely, just through his talks on this very show. You know, this is kind of what helped me I say, dog gone it.

You know what.

This may sound crazy, but I think Lee Harvey Oswald was actually pretty darned liberal.

In some ways. In some ways, he was, you know, a mixed bag like most people that are saying really are where you don't get you know, absolutely lockstep with the prescribed whatever. You got a mixed bag here. He was a guy who was not happy with the way the system treated him. And if you think about his early experiences in life.

Good I agree, I agree he was being used, but I think that he thought he was doing.

Right things.

But I think he absolutely was a leftist.

Yeah, I think. But but again from this guided point of view, you know, your own experience. I've tried to explain this on this very show often, is that your own experiences will shape how you view things. And you know, Oswald the way he came up, he had this mother that had some kind of personality disorder. He's you know, being sent to orphanages, and he's a truant, and you know,

You know?

And was he legitimately like a Castro supporter. I don't know. I'm not certain about that. But for a guy to kind of, you know, be chafing against the American system, the way it is. If his own experience has shaped the way he sees it, maybe it makes a lot of sense that he does that, you know, just saying it's a possibility. And again I'm not going for the whole he's a James Bond type character or he's the mastermind of anything, whether you know you want to say he's the assassin or he's.

I think he's. I mean, everyone that pretty much agrees he was being used. I liked his mother's comment once she quoted him, when she says, well, what come back for and he said not even Marina knows that. I'm like, well that much. That pretty much sums up Oswald.

Vagary, Yeah, vagary confusion. And quite honestly, he was twenty four when he died. So was he fully matured even in his ideas, his orientation, his person in general. No, he was twenty four years old when he got that gut shot in the basement there at the Dallas you know, public Safety building. So dude, if you're twenty four years old, you still got a lot to learn, and you might have a couple of chips on your shoulder. Maybe that was him, and maybe that's all it was, And somebody

Thanks for all the other callers. Peace out.

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