The Ochelli Effect 7-17-2024 Larry Hancock - Pearse Redmond

Ready for July seventeen, twenty twenty four, allegedly, according to that thing we call a calendar. This is the o'celly effect. I am Chuck o'helly, And the reason why I'm speaking this way at the beginning is because I noticed that some of the automatically generated transcripts of the show are getting a little muddled at the beginning. So let's see if we can get it clear. I gave the date fully. It is Wednesday, or Rodin's Day, w Odin's day here in the middle of the week. I did not do a

broadcast last night, so we're going to do a double show today. And do I have an interesting one for you in the first hour. Larry Hancock, the author who takes up a lot of space on my bookshelf, not because he's taken up space, but because he's got a lot of interesting things to say. You might think I would ask Larry about the recent assassination attempt. I'm not going to. We're gonna discuss one of those things that's sort

of fallen out of the headlines. Oh so temporarily, what's happening in Ukraine, etc. And I do mean etc. Because is anybody at this moment in this country, in the English speaking world, even paying attention to the foreign policy and debacles and god knows what the hell Biden is actually doing and

his administration regarding the ongoing conflicts. I mean, I know that the Palestinian thing and the Israeli conflict gets a bit of headline news, but it seems like Ukraine, the longer it goes on, the less it's in the headlines. Maybe it's just me, but anyway, we're gonna talk about that in the first hour and in the second hour tonight somewhere around nine pm, we're

gonna turn it over to Redmond Porkin's policy. You have not heard from Peers in a while, but he's going to be the guy that we're going to discuss the recent events in Pennsylvania, the near miss on Trump, and no he was not wounded by a bullet, but we'll get there. And I'm not saying it was faked, and I'm not going into my theories on it. Let me hear from my guests tonight, and you know, who knows, maybe we'll even go crazy and get into a third hour and take calls

from you guys if you ask for it. During the show. Okay, so anyway, let me get to Larry. Larry. It's it's a weird time to be alive, Larry. But you know, if people go to Larry dash Hancock dot com, they can definitely catch you blogging on a lot of things. Oh and you know what, we haven't heard from you in a little bit. I'm glad you sound really good. I talked to you just before we went to air. You know, I'm glad you sound really good. You're you're you had a few issues there, but your back.

You sound strong. And by the bye, I do want to get an update on that Oswald book that we were talking about. I think the last time we got together, if it wasn't that, it was RFK, which, by the way, I might ask you your views on RFK Junior and all that before we're done, if we have time. But anyway, what's going on with the Oswald book? But before we go there, even how

you doing? I'm doing good? And actually those two things sort of go together, Chuck, because after completing like what was maybe a six month editing process that felt more like four years, we have finished that and that's substantially contributed to improvement in my overall energy levels. That sort of thing drags you down relief from the completion. We're done, it's pretty much ready to go

to publishing. Excellent, and you have all your you know, by the way, we've gotten over this before where your wife is actually helped you pick some book titles. Did that happen this time? Do you do you? Or did you just do you? Did you have it already in hand? Did the editor? Did you know? Did Rex help you here? Because I know Rex put you through the paces on editor this time Rex helped a lot. Rex and David and I all tossed around probably two dozen this time.

My wife really didn't get involved. I think when she realized I was actually doing another book, she said, I'll talk to you later, like you know, next year. And so no, Rex was a big help in that, just as he was in the overall process. He's added tremendously to the book because as a good editor does, he kept asking me questions and asking me to defend my positions. And the book grew and grew and grew, and now I think where at four hundred and twenty five pages without

the index or without the photo section. So it's it definitely it definitely grew through the edit experience. Nice. Look, I'm looking forward to this, which, by the way, I just got a Skype question and I don't know the answer to this. It's funny because mathematically I never thought about it. I think I have every book you put out. But how many books have you actually released as books? Larry? I think, well, as

books, it's probably about eleven. But considering that someone would have talked actually came out in three different editions and was published three different times in different editions, I don't know if you would count that or not, but if so, I'm setting at about fourteen issues, if you will, of different books at the moment, some of them on Amazon, some of at this point in time you'd only find on eBay because they have been around so long.

So it's yeah, it's it's more than I Every time I count them up again, it just you know, like, no, surely not, but yeah, there they are, there you go, you know. And the funny thing is on thrift books, you're actually one of the most popular requested authors because you can set a wish list on thrift books and you get a used copy of a book, and some of your books that's the only way to get them now, because I don't think new ones are being put out.

I'm not sure which ones, but maybe some of the ones like Lancer is no longer printing, maybe and you had released appear with them. The good news is some of the some of the even some of the Lancer books are on Amazon print on demand. Oh okay, so they are are available. They're not stocked a lot, but uh, most I would say, Yeah, there are a couple, like you know, November Patriots or the first couple of editions as someone would have talked, that you could only find

on eBay. Uh, but most everything else is available still on Amazon. Yeah, I mean, and let's just remind people of a couple of them. A few that I usually don't mention, Like Nexus is one that I don't mention. I often use the term Nexus, but I don't often mention the book. It's a great book as well, and all this stuff.

Basically, generally, I would say it's always about the study of the national security state and their reaction one way or another to many things, whether it is various surprise attacks, oh coincidentally the title of a book, you know, or it is about assassinations or well, unidentified you know, UAP's we call them now, but unidentified is another one, right, UFOs even UAPs.

I know, I'll correct myself again, but still, you know, it's always about the national security reaction, and it's always some very interesting and I find it fascinating that in my little subgenre of JFK stuff, you're always in the top five or early the top three rated most requested people on wish lists. When people are looking for books that aren't always in stock on some

of these sites, I want you. I don't know if you know that, but you're always there and people are always looking for Sometimes the first copies of someone would have Talked, which by the way, are quite different from say the third version of it, you know, because there were updates, right, you know, from each edition and there was additional work done. Now, on the other hand, something like Creating Chaos as kind of stayed in its own I think that's only come out in one version so far.

Yea, yeah, it's in only one version, I would say. Overall, just talking about the books, the failure of Creating Chaos to really register has probably been the most disappointing to me because it relates directly to what we'll be talking about this evening. And it's like I wrote about a whole series of events and context and everything that everybody nobody thinks about anymore. It's like, here's here's what's happening now, and if it continues to happen, here's

what will come to pass. And it did, right It's disappointing to me that it was so apparent at that point in time, especially the concept of hybrid warfare, that it just really didn't register. But and you went some of that, you lose some right now. At the time that you put out Creating Chaos, which has a subtitle that does mention a guy who does

make headlines often, which is Vladimir Putin. And of course, in recent weeks, before the headlines were completely dominated by domestic politics, we were talking about what happened recently in Crimea. And I'm pretty sure that Crimea had been annexed already by the time your book came out, but we weren't bogged down. And now we're over two years in the conflict in Ukraine, which you know, people have utilized for various political purposes, and there's been various stances

about it, and even domestically, it's become an issue. Are we going to continue to fund this? But of course we're going to fund Israel after you know, post October second, you know it was October second, right, I think it was October second. Anyway, in October of last year, you know, the the war headlines, if you will, started to

get dominated by Israel and Palestine and that circumstance. But it's fascinating to me how it seemed like the whole world was about talking Ukraine and support Ukraine on one side and on the other side, no, no, no, Vladimir Putin is a hero denocification and it became almost a secondary domestic issue that people were arguing over. But when you were creating chaos, that's you know, post crimea. But previous the shots being fired in this special military operation,

as the it was, Russia was at the stage of deniable warfare. At that point in time. They had a lot of troops in eastern Ukraine. They had actually armored and artillery formations in eastern u Camkraine, but they were denying them. They were all, as Putin so elegantly put it, well, a lot of our troops decided to take vacation and I don't know where they went. But okay, so yeah, it was it was it was

live and it was real, but it was was deniable. And even when I was writing, he had it at just at that stage he had just issued pres statements that said, well, actually, we do have military in eastern Ukraine. And by the way, yes we did crimea. That was a I did send special forces in there. It wasn't you know what I

said. So it was just evolving at that time. But I think, Chuck, what's even more important, what doesn't get captured now is I'm hearing no dialogue at all about the how dramatically Putin and Russian foreign policy has changed over time, you know, in creating chaos. I began during in the time period where Russia actually was part of NATO. They had joined NATO at anti terrorism level. At that point in time, Putin that had just was

very much engaged in friendship activities with Europe. There's no discussion of anybody threatening Russia. He was, you know, he was joining all the big executive level international meetings and he was he was a good guy. He was had nothing but good things to about Europe and the West, and NATO, and it's like when now we hardly ever remember that he was there. Yeah, well he was doing a lot of business, right, and you know,

there was even during the Trump administration. Look, let's turn the G seven into the G eight, Let's bring Putin in, you know, and all of that was actually happening, which is strange to me because of course, one of the primary arguments for a lot of people who are like, no, Putin has completely justified in what he's doing, you know, side of the equation is that, look, he was completely surrounded by NATO, threatened by NATO, he was being you know, threatened by the encroachment of the

United States, you know, absolutely surrounding the new Russian Federation. And meanwhile you have you know, these people in Ukraine who were being abused by Ukrainians, so he had to step in ethnic Russians, right, I mean, this this is the the concept that that people still discuss. But what was actually happening. I mean, you had a president before Zolensky who you know,

kind of unceremoniously was was gotten out of there. You had an interesting cooperation with the people in Minsk, right, you know, and and all of that, some of the border nations okay, that are not supposed to be Russian necessarily, but certainly are allies of the Russians. It was. It was an interesting circumstance, and then this went down. So why why are we at the point we're at? Because I'm still stunned, honestly,

Larry, that this is going on. I would have figured that there would have been a solution by now, which seems to me that the only solution that Putin has said he would accept publicly is pretty much, give us these regions that are you know, predominantly occupied by people that want to belong with Russia, that want to be part of the Russian Federation. Give us those parts of your country, I guess, and we'll go away. Which maybe

I'm misreading. This is what is the circumstance, And I'll shut up and let you lay this out. What's happening now? And why has this gone on so long? By the way, what's hard to grasp is that so much of it appears to actually be personal. Again, there was a point in time where Putin was courting Western Europe, doing a lot of business with Western Europe, and in a very good position. He had markets. They

were literally giving him the gas mark for Western Europe. You know, it's kind of like and then what happened and again you have to go through the timeline it is and creating chaos. What happened coincidentally with that is that that something that George burst George Bush. The first that actually started years earlier was

a democracy initiative. The Bush administration put a lot of money into the concept of bringing democracy actually not just Eastern Europe to the world, but the Eastern Europe and even to Russia because at that point in time, you know, democracy was a thing, and Russia had gone through its rejection of communism and had some very democratic elections, a lot of competition, and the United States

officially started funding a lot of organizations that essentially were established to do elections like we do it in the United States, back when we thought we did elections in the United States pretty well, you know, how to monitor the voting, how to make sure it got reported correctly, and observers and we actually the US funded that for private NGOs, for convinted that and the whole concept was, you know, we're going to bring democracy to everybody, which was

great until the other guys lose an election and don't like it. And if you transfer that immediately to where it happened, it happened in Ukraine and around twenty fourteen. That timeframe, there was a lot of competition between the people in Ukraine who wanted more of an alliance with Europe and who were not happy with their you know, prior Soviet Union relationships, and those that were. I mean, there were literally two factions, no doubt about it, and

a lot of money was put into both sides. Foreign money, whether it was from the American funding or the NGOs or food in Russia put a lot of money into the campaign. And this is all documented. It's in the books, so I don't hesitate saying it. That was pretty open because it was being tracked and Putin lost and his party lost, and he did not take it well. And so from that point in time you saw things start to happen, like cutting off gas supplies to Ukraine and to Europe in the

middle of winter. Right now, that's something you don't do if you want to keep your customers, because it tends to make them nervous. Well, but it was the first sign that Putin a was taking things personally, and that Putin's policy had become a Russian policy, and that it wasn't all you know, ice cream and cherries. You know that he was more than prepared to crack the whip if things didn't go like he wanted. Now, is it relevant to bring up that shortly before that time period though, that he

was, you know what, the mayor of Moscow? Right or no? Yeah? Was he the mayor of Moscow? He was the mayor of a major city. St. Peter Saint Petersburg. Petersburg, well was a major city, but I wouldn't want to go on record. Yeah, okay. He was very successful in regional polity. He was successful in that way they go in politics and in business, and he was according alliances with people.

Because the Soviet Union had collapsed, Gorbachov had handed off, you know, because you go back all the way to hw Bush, right, So Gorbichov hands off to Boris Yeltson. And there's a lot of disappointment among a serious

segment of the Russian population with the way things went down. They were taking advantage of economically, I mean, I've had the guy on here, you know, the economic hitmen and such that were introduced into their right so there's some legitimate resentment even because they were sort of taken advantage of during a time when there was serious reorganization of what was once the Soviet Union now graduating into you know, first of all, here's just Russia, and I'm going to

go look up which city Putin was a mayor of, because I forget off the top of my head, I know I wrote about it even But here's the thing. He's building his alliances and pretty soon he's going to become the elected prime minister, and then he's gonna for the next what thirty years trade jobs between prime minister and president, right, and keep going back and forth so that he doesn't violate the constitution that they set up, and so on

and so forth. But he's still rising to power at that time. And the moment, it seems like the moment that he actually had that in order, this is when the economic warfare. Like there's a pushback, right, because weren't they being taken advantage of by the West generally, would you say or no? There were three things going on at that point in time. To be truly objective about it, you've got to remember Putin was old line KGB communist party. He was old school. And so there are three things

happening on. First of all, Russia dispenses with communism, dispenses with state ownership. And inside Russia, somebody is going to benefit from that. Somebody is going to everything that state companies were doing. Somebody's going to get private ownership. And while there are good books on the hip men from the West, there are also some really good books on how that happened inside Russia and

how the class of oligarchs were created. So, yes, one thing that's going on is inside Russia you have the rise of the oligarchs, who literally take advantage of parsing out the state system. Then you have the Western investor guys who are always on the make. I mean, you find somebody and they're going to go in and they're going to do capital style business if they possibly can. But the third thing that's going on, which again totally gets

gets left out of the equations. The United States and Western European countries poured tons and tons of money literally under even earlier I'm into at the fall of the Soviet Union, trying to stabilize them, put money in to stabilize their government because nobody wanted to be anarchy. Nobody wanted to see intercene warfare. So the third thing that's going on is a lot of money is getting poured into Russia from the West, and of course people take advantage of that too.

So I guess what I would say is, at this point in time, there's ample reason to be dissatisfied with virtually everyone. You get to pick your choice, and whoever's in charge of Russia gets to focus on who they want to make look bad, right, because there's ample guilt and drama to spread around for everybody, everybody, and you just kind of forget all the good parts and focus on the bad parts. Putin is not nobody in Russia at this point, and I'm is going to talk about how the oligarchs raped

the Communist state. Well, and a lot of them, let's be frank about it, were in one way or another, seen as criminal elements that had their own separate power bases from the Communist party, right, they had their own financial independence. And what Putin basically did is say, look, throw in with me and we will come together and have a coalition. Here. I know I'm oversimplifying, but I mean this is the truth of it,

right, and about. And the only way you can do that is you have to have been an insider because if you're going to parse out the state to the these the other organization, right who sues the other organization? Internally it's these groups. These you have to have the connections to make this transition. You literally have to be able to say, Okay, who gets to buy stock, who gets these assets, who owns these factories? You know, somebody has to be in a position, and he was in a

good position to create a coalition to do that. And you know, to the winner gets the spoils, and for him it was political advantage. Uh, plus a lot of money. Uh. People. Again, people don't talk about it, but you know a few years ago, a whole host of records from this period of time were released from the third party countries where the money was being handled in Central America. And it's kind of interesting,

but that that doesn't give much discussion these days. No, but you're you described it in a very straightforward I would just this is the context of that period of time. It was very chaotic, and there was blame on all parties and participation in all parties. That's just life right now. Just to

clarify something from earlier. It's Saint Petersburg, where Putin was mayor, and indeed he's serving in all kinds of positions quite frankly, as soon as he resigns from the KGB in between nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety one, depending on whose account you take here, he has a resignation from the KGB, which he had been with since nineteen seventy five, but also held a position with the GRU and various government agencies, including the staff of Yelson at one point.

Right, that's very important. But hey, I'm blaming a point. I said, Saint Petersburg, so one for the old guy. Yes you did, you had it ahead of me, and my apologies. I don't know why I thought Moscow. Oh I know why I thought Moscow because he's serving in multiple government positions and is being called Okay, you know, he owns summits in Moscow with Bill Clinton in two thousand and all, like his

timeline is littered with this. You know, all of a sudden, he's got multiple positions in the government until he ascends all the way to the top of the government, where he has remained now for at least you know, two and a half decades, Okay, just saying, so it's it's not hard to confuse this a bit, all right, And he was a good guy at that point. Again, at that point in time, during that

period, there's no talk against the West. There's no talk, you know, it's all I you know, I'm here, we're open for business and we love everybody, right, I mean, he's but he's first deputy manager for yeltsin in ninety six. He's the deputy chairman of the Saint Petersburg City Government and chairman of the Committee for External Relations. He's got foreign stuff going on, where he's meeting with people in London, et cetera, et cetera.

In other words, it's starting in nineteen ninety let's just say when he's either resigning or in the process of resigning from the KGB. Instantaneously his political career goes, you know, like crazy. He rises, just saying, and that's the time where the files were. Yeah, well, it's interesting how these guys in the intelligence agency magically have the support of all the people

that the intelligence agency would have files on. You know. Anyway, I'm making jokes, but that's the truth of his you know, his publicly understood political timeline. I just wanted to make sure we had it straight. Okay, But now we're not talking about that guy anymore, because that guy was in a different circumstance. He was definitely in a let's say, a defensive position. Let's be fair. The Soviet Union collapsing created a great deal of

uncertainty. Like you said, there are people from within and from without seeking to prey upon the vulnerabilities of a system which has just collapsed. Right. You know, there's the redistribution of the nukes, which people have talked about. There's all of the you know, places where resources and particular things were being sourced from that are no longer going to be part of the Russian arrangement

one way or another. Various nations either want their independence or want to come back into the fold, and all of their demands and ideas about this vary. This is a bit of chaos, and it's not even the creating chaos that you're talking about in the book, which by the way, is not solely focused on putin creating chaos just for people's knowledge. He's a big part of the book, but he's not the whole book, is he? We do everybody. Yeah, yeah, you know, East West, both sides.

But one might say that simply because of the fall of the Soviet Union and somebody that might want to reassemble a coherent structure in their society, in their government, in their nation, somebody who was, let's just be completely you know, vanilla about this, is a true believer in somebody who is

being a servant of the people right for Russia. If you're that guy, you're scrambling to figure out any which way that you can regain some sort of footing where you're not just going to be picked clean to the bones, which could have happened to the former Soviet Union. Some people claim that it did

happen. That's exactly what happened, right, that they were completely preyed upon and then surrounded completely, despite the fact that they had been promised that, you know, the West would not encroach upon them and try to interfere and take advantage of their vulnerabilities. Indeed, that did happen on some level anyway, But did it happen to the extremes that some people say, Okay,

let's leave that judgment alone. I think all of this is fair to mention when we put the you know, the the beginning, the opening, uh, the introduction to the book that needs to be written about this entirety, right, you have to take that into account, Larry, don't you Well, yeah, I think you have to take it into account. But you also need you need numbers, and you need data to go with it. Uh. In terms of being taken advantage of Russia was chaotic. Russia was

until it got to sack together production wise. I'm not sure that you would consider Russia to have been poor. I don't know that you would have considered in certain segments of the country. You know that the state had been underwriting before that was poor because you took the state support away. So from that level, segments of the country became poor, like their space program had no

more funding, you know. But there were a lot of people making a lot of money, more money than they had been before the oil and gas industry boomed. It's kind of fascinating that that. And I even go through this in the book in terms of you know, who was involved in what economic activity, and where the money was made and where it wasn't. But I think it's a it's an illusion to say that Russia was being hamstrung.

Russia was actually taking advantage of its resources immensely. It literally became one of the top oil and gas vendors in the world, and you can go back and look at the records, and money poured in and everybody wanted to do business with them. They were in a position of literally locking up Western Europe.

And I think answer, but and not only that, but part of the parallel here that that I think perfectly match is with the development of the entirety of the Russian Federation is the reality of the the energy business because they're deeply, deeply involved in you know, cooperative efforts with companies like Exxon Mobile. See this is where t rex you know, t Rexon comes into play, right Rex Tillerson and all of his work with Exxon Mobil and the many

many others. But Exxon Mobil was a huge mover there. They definitely capitalized on but also pumped a lot of money into the Russian Federation technology and technologynology into the oil and gas industry in Russia. But yeah, absolutely, and I guess this is where I kind of I don't understand why you would you could say that, you know, Europe was holding Russia hostage and encroaching somehow.

When Russia literally had taken Europe hostage with its oil and gas deliveries and then demonstrated that with a turn of a valve they could shut it off, you know, if there's the next successual thread, It's like, wait a minute, I just put you know, ten of the largest nations in the world economically at risk of my pipelines. And by the way, I've just demonstrated that I'm the one that has the ability to turn them on and off.

So who's holding who? Now Here's the funny part is because I was at that time, you know, a surrogate holding stock for my children, and I worked for Exxon Mobile at the time. I saw some of these deals that they were letting us stockholders know that were going on. I knew what was happening on that end of it. So let's talk about that retail thing. And this will be the final thing that I'm going to add here, and then Larry's going to lay out the rest of the story and bring

us up to today. Now that we've covered plenty of history. But here's the reality is on the retail side. See, you're talking about Europe and the supply of energy to Europe, and that's great. But there's also sort of the retail free market end of this, that is the Russian oil and

gas companies that turn into things like Luke Oil. You know, by the time it gets to the United States, you got Russian companies and you know, you guys can look this up, and by the time the early two thousands roll around, there are Russian companies with sweetheart deals in the United States to retail gasoline, okay, and diesel and stuff like that into places where there is no competition in the US. I'll give you a weird example about it. There's like, Okay, in New Jersey, we have the Garden

State Parkway and we have the Turnpike. All right, these are two major arteries that you know, absolutely dominate travel in the state. The joke, even if you're from Jersey or you're from the northeast at all, you might hear, oh, yeah, I'm from New Jersey, and somebody might snap back you which exit, because the exit of the Garden State Parkway or what we call the parkway there is really a good mind. It's a mile marker

on the state and everything. It indicates exactly what area of the state you're from, and runs north to south of this whole tiny state of Jersey, and it's a densely populated state. There's a lot of gas and oil to be sold, a lot of diesel all that. Now, it's also right next to New York City, major hub where a lot of things land, so you know, there's a lot of people traveling through New Jersey and again

having to hit the oil in the gas. There are Russian companies that held the exclusive contract to sell gas up and down the Garden State Parkway, just like the fast food chains on the Garden State Parkway. Like you could either have a contract there or not. You and I, Larry, even if we had a billion dollars, couldn't buy a spot on the Garden State Parkway for a gas station or a Hamburger joint. Okay, now, the Russians

didn't have anything to me, you know. Obviously it was McDonald's and actually, weirdly in Jersey it was roy Rogers for a while as a fast food chain that had, you know, these exclusive contracts. But Russians had sweetheart deals. Russian companies had sweetheart deals like that in America. That's just Jersey.

By the way, But they had a lot of contracts like that and municipal contracts where Luke Oil, you know is in some cases I guess they bid for him, but in other cases nobody knew how it happened that at a time when oil and gas, you know, suddenly had those large spikes, when we went from the one dollar reality of gasoline and retail to you know where we are today, which is two dollars, three dollars. Oh,

that's good that reality changed. Okay around this time, and right around the time that we had the spike, especially the spike post nine to eleven of you know, oil and gas prices, right and after the natural disaster on the East coast and all this, it was a bunch of Russian companies that stepped in and ended up with municipal contracts, state contracts and things like

this where they had exclusive rights to retail distribution in certain places. I've never seen that, you know, British petroleum didn't get that, Okay, a Dutch royal shell you know, whatever, you know, country they originated from. At one point, I never saw these you know, sort of foreign entities ever get a contract like that. But here it is Russian companies got

it. It was wild. So you know, they weren't collapsing when it came to being able to market themselves internationally with with with what they had in

abundance apparently, which was energy. And then they then you talk about Europe, and that's a whole separate issue, so we're not talking about Yes, there were people that were suffering because of the changeover in the you know, in the system, and a lot of government jobs disappeared where the government kind of had their hand in everything and suddenly maybe there just was no job or no check coming even if they you know all that, right, I mean,

you even remember the days of the unemployed KGB people basically trying to sell you see Larry's laughing already, pretty much trying to sell their stories because they thought that people that wrote books about Kennedy or did documentaries were going to pay them a lot of money. Uh, because they they thought somehow there was a lot of money in that. So I have KGB. I mean,

these guys had, I have documents. I was a KGB guy. There was probably a thousand of those guys trying to sell their stuff because they were now unemployed and there was no good unemployment program from the government over there. And you saw that firsthand, didn't you. Oh, absolutely, okay, And I think for our conversation it's interesting to note that a lot of the unemployment. So let's talk about the money that the Soviet state was spending just

before it kind of fell apart. A lot of that money was actually spent spent in Ukraine for two reasons. First of all, the Soviet state was able to underwrite the heavy industry in eastern Ukraine, the coal and heavy production part. They were able to underwrite it and pay reasonable salaries because you can balance you know, production that way. And that went away, things got

rough in Eastern Ukraine. Plus, Ukraine was the home of a lot of the design, engineering, and production of the most advanced Russian technologies, and it always had been. And then suddenly that money has gone away too. So just when we're talking about this, it wasn't the whole the collapse of the Soviet system and the emergence of you know, a non state oligarchic economy cutting deals should you know, at some point in history it'll be a fascinating

book. I don't think it's one you could survive writing right now because you're not going to do the interviews that would get you the right story without getting yourself killed. But yeah, so my last, my last little addition to this and then I want you to bring us to today, is that let's also keep in mind that Ukraine was the home of a significant nuclear stockpile, and you do have various of these, you know, formerly parts of the

Soviet Union now having to cut new deals and make new arrangements. Indeed, Minsk, you know, was the home of the KGB archive that's now in a country called Belarus are Belarius depending on how you pronounce it, and that is, you know, for the most part, on the surface and independent nation, but clearly is in close cooperation and collaboration with the Russian Federation, though they maintained their individuality as a nation, right, And there were different

ways regardless of those Chinese exercise was going on on the Polish border well that too, but you know, but either way, all of these things had to come down in different ways. So now let's go from that history and blast me through what has actually been going on as of late and why the hell still I don't have an answer as to why this is taking so long? Two years later, so things changed, As I said, with that election in Ukraine was kind of the last straw. There were a series of

what we're called the Color Revolutions in Georgia, Kazakistan. But again, this transition between bringing democracy to these countries that had been formerly Soviet republics was a painful process for the Russian traditionalist because what they saw in country after country and the Color Revolution was democracy was in and the old guard was out. And that was very uncomfortable, and that was very coomfortable for Moscow because Moscow didn't

see that coming. You know. It's sort of like these guys were ours. We assume they'll stay ours, you know, they like us. The old rule was, you know, the the political decisions for all of the republics are done locally but approved in Moscow, you know. So that's the way it ran. And when that started changing, it made people nervous. And actually I would say the Color Revolutions made Moscow more nervous than anything else

at that point in time. And why it was happening and why these these democratic movements that were dangerous because they were seeing the old guard being replaced made them nervous. Well this you go through a wave of when those happened, and you see Moscow and Russia becoming more and more nervous, and then you see Ukraine emerging it as kind of like the critical places like and Putin decides that Moscow is not going to lose any more elections. It's it's not it's

just not going to put up with it anymore. So in Ukraine you see a very bitter political contest between the parties that are essentially backed democratically and all in all honestry are looking towards Europe and those that are backed by Putin and Russia and are looking towards Moscow. And Putin himself went to Ukraine and campaigned, and Russian media outlets campaigned and broadcast in Ukraine, and it really, if you want to see a conflict, it really was the first stage in

this conflict. And Putin was absolutely convinced that he was going to win. And again, most people don't look into this anymore or study it, and I only did because I was forced a way through the background in the book. But that's that's where this conflict really begins. And when Putin's people lost, it became very personal, and I guess Chuck's that's where I would draw the line, because that's where we see too geopolitics appear to change and becomes

very personal and very personal built around Putin. Before Putin was doing outreach. Now he's in defensive mode right now. One thing that's left out of this all the time, just last little element here, is that there was a consistent and completely coordinated pe our move to consolidate the media and to do an outreach on a global scale, Okay, which I can point to no one

else except Vladimir Putin here when it comes to RT America. Uh, you know, making sure that there were English speaking Sputnik out there, all of that stuff and putting it out there and creating a pr campaign that slotted really well with people that were looking for certain things, disappointed with the leadership of Barack Obama, thinking that we now had you know, what they used to call a weak sister in the White House, even you know, here's a

real man, here's Vladimir Putin, here's a real government, here's a good guy who reorganized despite all of his challenges. And that was all the media hype that was produced by RT Sputnick. You know, all these days art America as it was, and that was well coordinated, choreographed and well fund

state media. And interestingly, that had really begun in Russia. The genesis of that was the Chechen terrorist campaigns and essentially the Chechen Revolution against Moscow and a series of terror attacks inside Russia that and Putin got an immense amount of criticism from that. You notice, these days, terror attaxes happened in Russia and nobody blinks. But in those days, at that point in time, Putin clearly decided that he had to essentially take control of the media. He

was not going to expose himself to being challenged by Russian media. And that's when Russian media began to be consolidated, and they did in a very simple fashion. All they really had to do was let his friends, the oligarchs, buy the media's outlets and suddenly, you know, things changed. But so absolutely right, chuck that. But again, it's fascinating that that started literally because Putin was pushed into a defensive position about things that were happening internally.

Whenever he is pushed defensively, he responds. The system doesn't respond, he responds, right, And look, the consolidation methodology is almost a perfect, you know, carbon copy of what he did regarding the energy consolidation. Right, it's the same thing. Let me bring my friends in, they'll do the right thing because them doing the right thing by me is doing the

right thing by themselves. This is a you know, a self perpetuating circumstance that all I have to do is put the right people in place at press play. Here we go. So I mean, am I wrong about that? Or am I oversimplifying? Now? No, that was consolidation. If you if you think about it, consolidation is always a defensive strategy. Yes, I mean, it's mergers, consolidations, acquisitions. They're in business, you know, that's you can expand two ways. You can you can truly

expand with new outlets and new venues and new whatever. But the other way is to consolidate. And that's that was what happened in the goil and gas industry. That's what happened in the media. So yeah, I would say,

you're absolutely right, Chuck. Okay, So how do we get to today though, because this is a new circumstance to me, go ahead, well, and that that's what is striking to me, and that is what is most concerned to me, because if you look at where Russia was, and we're putting himself was when we started this dialogue like outreach to the West, making tons and tons of money off energy sales to the West. You know, as far as Russia is a nation is concerned, that was a

sweet spot. I mean that was really the deep place. You know, Russia has the second largest military at that point in time in the world. Uh, Russia is raking in oil and gas money at high prices and high margins and growing that market. Russia is, you know, very involved in the international space. You know, Russia is a real player. But then if you compare that to now, you know, in the same world you would be looking to continue that right, expand markets, make more money,

make more friends. Just the opposite has occurred. Yeah, they still is selling a lot of oil and gas, yeah, to India and China at virtually nothing in terms of money. Their military has largely been destroyed. At the point in time, we see trains of T fifty four tanks going to Ukraine. These are early fifties er tanks. Their office of corp has been

decimated. None of this is good for the nation. Nobody in the world could think it's good for the nation, and essentially that's been a personal decision. Putin made a personal decision based on bad advice to essentially do what he did in Georgia in a couple of the other former Soviets republics, in a

hybrid warfare deniable warfare, moved essentially to take control of Ukraine again. I think the most fascinating thing that we saw when the special military operation kicked off was a copy of a newspaper article that had been written assuming that Kiev would be taken in twenty four hours and how Kiev, how Ukraine would fit into the Russian federal system. You know, he made a mistake, There was a mistake made, but Putin never ever, what's what would need a good

pray? If you make one mistake, he doubles down. He's that kind of card player, and he's still doubling down. And this is what scares me about the whole situation, because assuming that there is a settlement in Ukraine, what Russia will inherit are isn't an economic area in eastern Ukraine which is

devastated. The only way that they have made any advances is to literally destroy town after town, city after city, demolishing it with our you know, it will be economically pressed area that would require tons and tons of money to redevelop, to d mind if anything, for construction. Russia doesn't have that money and Russia doesn't have that manpower, So he's going to bring in North

Korean construction people. I mean if in the long span of history, it makes no sense geopolitically, but there doesn't seem to be any out really, and when you listen to some of the Russian commentators, it's just getting worse and worse. So I guess I guess that's what we can assess. You know, I can certainly assess the battlefield situation. But geopolitically, this whole the last two years has been bad for Russia and there is no sign of

it getting better for Russia. He can't. He's the best estimates are certainly over one hundred thousand Russian troops killed twice that three times that injured or wounded, which again are the ones that they went back. You're gonna have to pay for them. It's just it makes no sense. And I always when I look back at history, I hate situations that where there is there's no

sense. There's no economic sense, there's no real political sense. It all appears to get really personal, which is what it appears to be now with Putin and his leadership is really personal. They can't they can't extricate themselves, and that's dangerous. Right now, I've got a couple of stupid questions for you, okay, So can you bear with me on just like two stupid questions? I can handle it all right, Cool? How is there anything

left of you know, some of these tested parts of Ukraine? Because I'm just you know, doing the calculations in my mind. How many buildings can be blown up before there's nothing left? How many you know what I'm saying, Like it seems to me like over the course of two years, if you're constantly engaged, the level of destruction means that there's nothing left, okay,

of some of these areas. So what I guess you partially answered this, but I mean, what is there to gain outside of territory unless he actually inherits the entirety of the nation, it begets a full surrender, which apparently is not the case. That's not going to occur under any circumstance.

And well, yeah, the most valuable stuff. If you follow the military reports, he keeps hearing reports of well this strong point, and that strong point was a manufacturing plant, an aggregate plant, a materials plant, a coal mine. Those were the strategic areas that the Ukrainians held in the East and are either still fighting over or they got driven out by Russia completely destroying them. So all of the all of the most valuable factories and most of

the most valuable resources that the infrastructure to produce them have been destroyed. So you would have to rebuild that. And if if Eastern Ukraine was an industrial complex that was worthwhile, then Russia destroyed it in taking it, and it would only be of value if they rebuilt it in it And quite frankly, much of it was heavy industry. And the real question is what is that

heavy real heavy industry useful for anymore? Uh, It's it's real. It's useful if you're going to drive a growing consumer economy, which is the last thing that Russia is going to have, right, Okay, So there's that question. So no, I don't see they haven't gained anything that they can immediately turn around to use for you know, revenue generation or resource generation.

It's a burden if it's anything. So if we also take the positions of Vladimir Putin and the Russian government at face value, are we in danger at this point of literally because of US support to Ukraine? Are we actually in danger of a direct conflict as opposed to what we're dealing with now, which is, you know, the shipment of resources to Ukraine from US in the

West, one way or another, whether it's the United States directly. You know, the arguments over how many billions of dollars of assets have been shifted

over et cetera. Is there a danger here though, and I mean because there's been threats, counter threats, positions, there is no danger there if if Russia that's my second stupid class badly yes, sorry, in this conflict all throughout the entire scope of its military force, that there's just no way there's a conventional threat now unless somebody goes absolutely insane and goes nuclear, which

is another story entirely, But there's no risk of a conventional threat. If Putin did something to trigger Article fifteen, NATO would roll over Russia and Russia would you know in Ukraine, which is what has been said, would happen. It's sort of like we will if you use nuclear tactical nukes there, then we will just eliminate your forces in Ukraine if you kept it at that level. No, there's no risk because they can't go head to head with

any of the Western military powers at this point in time. They did that to themselves. I think what is more more risky. It's not so much for the West. It's actually risky for Russia to subjugate itself to China or in North Korea. The risk at this point in time is Russia moving itself down to a almost like a second tier world power. Other than the fact that it has nukes, you know that this is not the Russia that there used to be. So there's a real ongoing risk for Russia to lose the

position that it had by making these agreements. I was not joking about. Wait a minute, what since who is winning by Chinese troops doing military exercises in Bella russ Is that what Moscow would have wanted? I don't think so well. I guess yeah. The last wide open question then, and then I'm gonna have to let you go because I've kept you just about a solid hour now. And that's what I allotted for this discussion. And believe me,

we could talk about this for hours. But the last thing I guess I have to ask, which is one of those things that you know, when people finally clear their heads from all the domestic you know, clown shows that are happening. You know, even OURFK Junior allegedly is going to get Secret Service protection now too. But we'll discuss that in the next hour. And I'm gonna let you off the hook on that, Larry, but I'm

gonna put you on the hook for this one. Do we have a legitimate worry though, that there could be either an escalation out of desperation or for some other purpose, that we suddenly do see nuclear weapons on the table in the theater actually occur here? And what about a straight up conflict that way, because if we have you know, nuclear elements, nuclear assets being not just deployed because I heard what a year and a half ago they were being

deployed, but what about if they are actually in use? Could that are we in risk at a risk of having something like that happen? Now We're not. We're going to fall back. Actually, we're falling back into the Cold War, right, you all remember that, and what was the hallmark of the co War? Everybody we had nukes, they had nukes. Nobody used nukes, mutual assured discurrance. But deniable warfare and hybrid warfare are going to become the order of the day. This week NATO is meeting because several

NATO nations have seen increasing examples of Russian sponsored hybrid warfare. Or there's cyber warfare, aspionade, subversion, blowing up factories, and that's that's what you would almost predict because Putin was really good at that and you and I have talked about that, Chuck, before that, before before he went over military,

he was a great tactician and was using hybrid warfare very skillfully. Right, for whatever reason, he has decided that that's now what he's He did it in Eastern Europe, before, he did it in Africa, before he did it in the Middle East, before in Syria. Now he's decided that he's going to do it in Europe, and so Europe is going to respond. So what he is going to do is that they're going to respond to hybrid warfare, just as they've responded, you know, upping their military budgets,

conventional budgets Europe. He has prompted Europe to do what Europe wasn't going to do before, which was spent money on its own conventional defense and move to hybrid warfare. So no, I don't say the risk is on the on the atomic side. I see it as us falling all the way back into the deniable and hybrid warfare of the cod war. Well, Larry, before the end of the year, you and I are going to have to

talk about assassinations and assassination attempts. But tonight we didn't touch on that or even the you know, some of the odd things that were floated out there that you know, he's ill. That was a weird thing that was going on. Now nobody's talking about the health of that president anyway. Nobody's talking about the you know, the the overall mental stability of that president any longer.

But indeed, there is something to still keep an eye on there, because I think there's still the potential for things to get out of hand, to really go much further. I mean, it is unfortunate and horrible for the people, you know that were just living their lives in Ukraine that weren't involved in Nazism or that didn't have you know, a dog in the fight regarding Russia or Russian ethnicity, etc. Who were just you know, trying to live their lives, who have also been affected by this, which bothers

me the most. But here we are the thing that nobody's even discussing, even though it's well past the two year marks. So anything you want to say in closing here, Larry and I would advise in closing for you guys to read anything that says it was written by Larry Hancock. I'm looking very much forward to the Puzzle Pieces of Lee Harvey Oswald, although that's not the

proper title. Something like that though, coming up before the end of the year, hopefully, and we'll just have to see which publisher will release it. It'll be nice to see. But in the meantime, plenty of stuff out there for you to catch up with, including one of the books that would be way relevant to tonight's discussion, creating Chaos, uh, but many other books by Larry Hancock. I advise, and certainly you know tell you that I recommend all of them, every last one, even if you get

the old version of something used. It's great but the books on Amazon, the books you can get from Priftbooks, the books on eBay, wherever you can get stuff written by Larry Hancock, you should. And you can go to Larry dash Handcock or Larry Hypenhancock dot com, Larry Dashandcock dot com there see his blog as books and everything, but anything you want to say in

closing, Larry, Now, I think that pretty I do. I really do wish that people would read Creating Chaos, not because I'm interested in selling books, but because this whole discussion of Ukraine and Russia and current day geopolitics in Europe is being carried out out without the history that it needs. It's like suddenly and it's recent history. It's like the last decade. You know,

wait a minute, we suddenly forgotten the last decade. So that would be my only plea is that people that want to discuss the subject really need to have at least some not ancient history, but some recent history. Yeah, relatively, you know, the post you know, post millennium history. Even right we're not even talking about, you know, the history of the

twentieth century. We're talking I mean, although that's relevant. Like we talked about his rise to power and all that, which is very relevant in this discussion. But still, you could just look at the stuff post nine to eleven if you like, and see the reactions and the way things changed. I mean, at one point Russia was reacting along with the anti terrorist agendas

of other nations. There was cooperation here. I think all that's been forgotten in the you've been with Sato. Yeah, I mean that like mutual exercises, sharing them from you know, like if you just showed up, you would be going what yeah, now that that would be my last note. I've enjoyed it. Chuck. There you go. So again, Larry Dashhancock

dot com, go there and again. I highly recommend every book that Larry's written, even if he co wrote it with Stu Wexler, which, by the way, I really think I need to have another discussion with Stu Wexler again soon based on recent current events. Larry, Oh, I think he might have something to say. But yeah, so you know, if you do talk to Stu, do me a favor and tell him that I'm very

interested in talking to him about recent current events if you don't mind. But other than that, you guys listening, I really hope that you got something out of this. It's a unique perspective, and Larry with his very measured and well researched understanding of these sorts of geopolitical events and characters creating chaos. Obviously I highly recommend it along with Larry's books. But and you know what,

there's some interesting pieces in a few of the other ones. Shadow Warfare might provide some context to this discussion, just saying, would you agree with that, Larry? Yeah, because, like I said, we're going back to the co War, so you might as well refresh your memory. Yeah. Yeah, you're gonna have to. Unfortunately, as as the world turns, so to speak. Anyway, in the next hour, I'll be talking to Pierce Redmand Larry Hancock. Thank you once again, and hopefully we'll get

together in another two weeks and there won't be anything crazy happening. Sound like a plan that would be good, excellent, So hopefully the world won't be crazy and we'll just be talking about the Oswald book next time, which, by the way, what is the proper title of that book before I sign off? The Oswald Puzzle? The Oswald Puzzle, that's what I keep thinking,

Oswald puzzle pieces. But the Oswald puzzle coming hopefully before the end of the year, right, Larry, certainly, I hope so, Okay, well, we'll we'll definitely keep be informed about it and talk about Lancer coming up in November in the coming weeks. Uh. In the meantime, stick around, I am merely O'Kelly. All of you are indeed the effect we got one more hour on this Wednesday. You might want to hear it. Go ahead, call it the truth about the day of a assassination? Right,

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while. We've only been doing one. But you know what, I had a miss que last night, so I thought it perfect to have the opportunity to bring on two individuals that I can actually have a conversation with, and you know, one of them being somebody that I have a constant discussion with about geopolitics, and the other one I used to talk to all the time. But he's been kind of busy and hasn't been doing a show as far as I know. I haven't seen new podcasts from him. I haven't seen

a lot of stuff from him. I'm not picking on him. I'm just saying he's been kind of quiet for a while, maybe with good reason, and maybe we'll find out why, maybe we won't. Either way, sometimes life gets in the way. But I'm really really happy to have Pierce Redmond with me Porkin's Policy Review. Of course I used to produce that show for

a little bit also have been on the same network as Pierce. I still love the fact that it was Sybelle Edmunds who introduced us a long time ago, because it was kind of a weird thing, like, here's this guy, Pierce Redmond, and I went okay, and just sort of familiarized myself in about five minutes with him and went, huh, this guy's different, And no, I love it. And you know what, I don't even

have your your alleged vocal doppelganger on any longer. And it's not not because we don't talk or anything, but he doesn't have time for me lately, so you know, you won't be confused with anybody else's voice. But Porkins Policy Review dot com is still a website, right, It is still website. I just typed it in just to make sure that it was still a website. Think's going to check paid, But yes, Workin's Policy Review dot com is still my website. Will just also just thank you Chuck for having

me back on. I know it's been quite a while. I you know we were I was talking too close to the microphone before we went live, you know, I had to reinstall Skype. But yes, it is. It is still a website. Yeah, there's some old, old stuff on there, a lot of these links. I was just clicking through, you know, some of the various sites to follow that I have on the side, and they're just there. There are some strange ones up there. Yeah,

so I might have to update this at some point. Yeah, and you know, there might be you know, old interviews on there between you and I. There, there might be it's funny saying like, oh, does the website still work? It does, but I will say that on the you know, on the side of the page where it's the sites to

follow, it seems like almost all of these don't exist anymore. I'm just clicking through so many of them and they're all you know, the like bitdefender is warning me not to visit it, or it doesn't exist, or you know, it's been taken over by you know, sometimes when you click on something and it, you know, it sends you to some sort of weird Chinese furniture store or something like that that's bought the domain. So yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff there, but all my shows

are still there and available people wants. You can still see the shows. The really cool piece of artwork where you know, Pierce Redmond is still in the cartoon, outfitted in the uh you know, in the Star Wars gear and all of that. Anyway, it is good to talk to you,

man. We we have discussed everything from you know, South Park to conspiracy culture, uh, you know, over the years, and I'm really glad that we have and frankly, given what occurred this past Saturday, yes, I sat back and said to myself, oh, dear God, I don't even know who I'm going to discuss this with. I I know I'm going to do some solo shows where I just sort of discussed and think out loud

about it. But I need to take a minute here, because you know, it was not something other people were telling me for about the past eight

years that there was going to be an assassination attempt on Donald Trump. Matter of fact, about in twenty sixteen or seventeen, somewhere in there, it was intense rumor that there was a plot in motion against Trump, that there would be this grand plot that was only in part going to feature an assassination attempt against Trump, which was meant to succeed, and there might even be

I mean, there was something out there. I think there was a guy named George Webb or something that was like saying that, I assume he's probably still out there. I think so people into you know, following him. There's going to be nukes set off on the Mexican border, and Trump is going to be you know, they're gonna try and kill him or they are, Yep, they might. And then some other guy ran with it said they were going to replace him with a doppelganger. Okay, I mean wild

it was. It was so bizarre to me that when he was first, you know, selected, that he became the trojan horse for conspiracy culture. And what do I mean by that? That other ideas were riding inside of what used to be conspiracy culture and he he covered all bases. He had stuff riding on the horse in the horse, and he was the horse,

okay, because he was out there dropping hints. You know he's gonna People are telling me he's gonna talk to RFK Junior, and he did recently and the call leaked and I don't even know if he caught up with that. But anyway, he's going to talk to him, and you know what, they're going to finally do something about you and I don't necessarily agree on this, but they're going to finally do something about the toxicity of vaccines. And

he's going to bring in RFK Junior to advise him. And you know what, when twenty seventeen comes, Chuck, and you've been waiting for twenty five years now for these JFK documents to get released, Trump's going to release them all. And he's going to release more stuff because he wants the truth out there. And then I had other people in conspiracy culture telling me Trump wants the truth about nine to eleven in public hands. He's going to make sure

that we get all the information from the dancing Israelis onward. Listen to him. He's talking about people dancing in the street in Jersey City, which by the way, I was in Jersey City around that time and didn't happen. But anyway, you know, he's going to do all this. Man, he's going to do that, and he's going to reveal all of the pedos and all of the criminals, and oh, by the way Barack Obama just got arrested for cocaine trafficking. And this was the kind of talk. I

mean, this is seriously the kind of discussions I was having. Not discussions, really, but this is the kind of stuff that you discussion. We're saying to me, we're messaging me, we're telling me, you got to get on board because this is actually your guy. And you know what if you get And here's the other weird thing. In twenty fifteen, I was offered money and I was offered extra support, and all I would have to do is be part of the all media wave that was going to be on

the Trump train. This was our guy. This was finally our guy in the conspiracy world in the you know what, you don't believe the government works the right way. He's actually going to go in there and simplify it and fix it. This is what people were telling me. And there's money available for you if you get on board. There's successful ways for you to get on board. Roger Stone is listening to you, man, even though he's

he was in the campaign and he's out of the campaign. Roger Stone and that's why he used to play that clip, I'm a big fan of your show. No, he wasn't, and he didn't listen to the show either. What he had is somebody else listened to it and hand him notes on my show, I was one of those shows. Of course, they went

with Alex Jones, and well you can see how that turned out. But anyway, but Jones, you know, immediately after Saturday's events, went live with an emergency broadcast, even though he's been bankrupted, and they picked up me see where I watched some not the live one with Jones, but I saw him on and I can't stand him Tim Dillon's show, And where was Alex? It looked like he was out in some you know fields where he's like drinking liquor, just straight out of the bottle. Is that where he

like? Is this where he does his show? Now? I don't know if you've seen these. No, he's got a he's still got the studio as far as I know. Okay, I know there's been and by the way, that dropped out of the headlines. By the way, folks, you notice there's no big news reporting on that. Now. Where he was, you know, with his bankruptcy claim and they rejected it and this and that and it's personal and now he's got to sell his ranch. And okay,

maybe that's where he was. He was in his ranch. Let's not let's not get sidetracked into aj because I'm doing all this to set something up, Pierce, and because I want to hear from you and get your thoughts. I mean, I can tell you what mine were. The only thing I did is I joined a roundtable discussion that night to go on and say, look, initially, here's what I see. And I had some practically you know, people weren't too thrilled because I had some practical objections to what

I was And I'm not screaming that it's being staged. I'm not the it's staged guy. Okay, I'm sorry, but I don't think it was staged. What I think happened I'll get to before we're done, but I want to hear from you, Piers. Do I think this was faked? Do I think it was cgid? Do I think somebody applied blood to Trump's face?

No? No, no, no, not at all. What I do believe is that what has been staged is the complete collapse and perfect timing of not only Joe Biden publicly, but also all the legal cases doing exactly what I said they would do, which is evaporate, get undermined, and get destroyed bit by bit. So whether you were screaming that he was being

persecuted by the system, the persecution wasn't going to stick. Or if you were on the side of now he's a convicted pelle and he's going down, he's going to prison, and you were looking to celebrate, you were all going to be disappointed because what was going to happen here is what is happening, which is that whether it is correct or incorrect or whatever somewhere in between, doesn't matter. It's not going to stick to Donald Trump because he's not

one of the people that would pay a penalty. Whether he did something wrong or not is actually irrelevant. Now we have the dismissal of the document's case. All of these things were pre arranged. This is nothing more than a way for him to garner more support as a martyr. He is fighting the system. And now for some people they will say the deep state took a

shot at him. Here's the problem, okay, and this is the last thing I'm gonna say about it. And then I want to get your open view, Pierce, if the Deep State was taking a shot at him, they wouldn't have went out and got just the typical school shooter guy Okay with a rifle and buying his ladder at home depot just before where he goes in, because apparently he purchased some five foot ladder at home depot and climbed the ladder and you know, got ignored by the cops. And I'll tell you

this serious. Why why in the world the head of the Secret Service has not been asked to resign is a question for Joe Biden for sure. But but here's the thing. If you're the deep State, you don't hire this guy Okay that that apparently, you know, was responded to immediately by the anti assault team that did not survive, that did take a shot at Donald Trump. Now, is this completely organic? Yeah, it kind of looks that way. But but maybe I'm not done with it. Maybe I'm not

done with it, and maybe there's more to say. Anyway, Pierce, you get the news that there's been an assassination attempt against Donald Trump, your first inclination, I'm willing to guarantee to check and see if it's as fake as the reaction that came out later, which was they've actually arrested the shooter.

He's a member of Antifa. He said on Facebook that there's going to be justice, and that was BS and I knew that the second somebody pulled it out on that roundtable show I joined on Saturday night, where I went, yeah, that's garbage. I'll tell you that immediately because Antifa, there's your clue that this is garbage. No Antifa member was taken a shot at

Trump, which, by the way, noticed Antifa hasn't been around. I think somebody, you know, stopped sending out the checks, you know, from the government agency that was, you know, actually supporting Antifa, So I think they no longer exist because there's no work for those actors. Okay, is there a real Antifa? Yes, but it's not what the media, the government, or anybody's told you it was. Anyway, point is, what was your reaction after is this fake? Because I know that had

to be first pierced. What was Yeah, first one was is this fake? Then I guess I guess my my reaction, Well, first was just sort of shock, obviously because you think, like I mean, obviously I've never you were shocked I was shocked in the sense that I've never personally lived through a assassination attempt on a president. You know, I missed Reagan's you were alive, that's right, you're younger. Yeah, so that well, I guess when was Reagan? When was that eighty one? I think one?

So yeah, that went seven years before I was even you know, uh, you know, a twinkle in my parent's eye. So I missed this one. So I've never experienced this sort of bizarre feeling of because you know, I think that it's fair to say and you see this because obviously all these people, you know, Tenacious D and others are people have thought about it, you know, or they're they're or they're like they're they're talking

about it, they're thinking about it. But I think there's one thing to think about, Oh my god, like what if this happened, right, you know, or what if someone takes a shot and then for it to actually happen. So yeah, my initial reaction past shock, was then is this fake or is this I mean yeah, My first thing too was then

to excuse me to look at the footage. And I will say, and I hate I hate even sort of thinking or talking like this, But I gotta say, and those watching Trump talking and then holding his ear and then falling down, Me and Amy were just sat there thinking like, are these all crisis actors? You know, and and sort of tongue in cheek because that's always the you know, that's right, that used to be the thing. It was always this is all fake. Nobody reacts like this during a

shooting, you know, like Sandy and others like that. And I mean, I don't know anyone out there that says that that's actually been in a situation like that, but I will say the behavior of many of the people in the crowd made me sort of raise an eyebrow. And then of course, so just the reaction of the Secret Service, why they were just sort

of huddled around him. Let me ask you, okay, let me stop you just for a second, because you're bringing up some points that I want to address real fast, and just ask you something and correct something, because I got somebody already barking at me in private messages that I was wrong that Reagan's assassination attempt didn't occur in nineteen eighty one. It did. It was

March thirtieth. I'm looking right at it and sorry, but you know, check your Mandela effect all right now, because the guy's telling me it was nineteen eighty and I'm like, no, that's the year he was elected. I'm saying in my own head. And nobody, you know, they shot at him when he was president, which has to be at least eighty one, because he didn't take office to eighty one. Okay, excuse me, anyway, that's the correct thing. Next, you're talking about people in the

crowd. Now, I'm curious if you mean, like, say, the lady with the black hat that appears to be reacting before the shots were fired. Well, there's one, Okay, there's the guy in the front row who's just putting his arms out and is sort of just sort of looking all

around. And I was, I will say, and I mean, maybe this is just because I've been somewhat kind of you know, I've been staying away from social media and that, but the fact that I was amazed at how many people just have their phones out, Well, have you ever taken I was just gonna ask you, have you ever taken the time to examine the behaviors of people at the Trump rallies? You know, on a normal day, because if you have, it's probably very similar to that. It

is. No like the thing with the phones out and all that. No, see other people brought that up. There's so many people with their phones out. A whole lot of people do that. They that they have that a concerts. If you go to a concert, which I haven't been in a while, but every piece of concert footage I see there's like five thousand people with their phones over their heads. Oh no, that I believe. But I was just shocked that, Like, now, maybe this is that

area of Pennsylvania. It's just normal to be at a large event and have someone just popping off shots. But I was, I was if that were me, I would have dropped my phone and run. But that aside the other thing that I couldn't. I mean it in my initial in the first day or two, I really was like, this has got to be some sort of you know, deep state plot. This is that, this can't

be real. I was waiting for them to, you know, the fbi'd be like, well, yes, I mean, Crooks was on our watch list, but it just slipt through, you know, slip through the cracks. We're so sorry. I mean, the whole thing with him. Wait, let me get my shoes on. I mean, I I was I did initially believe that she did just touch his ear, fall down, and then they're placing blood on his ear. You know that was? That was?

Now now maybe that is just the that that is just the result of whatever four eight years of living in this you know, sort of reality show based existence in America. Well, that mean we no longer believe you know this, this is this is like we no longer believe what is truly happening in front of us. Like well, and here's the other problem is the moment that Trump starts to speak about anything, he's full of crap anyway. And that's what the problem is, because all right, and why did I

just say that? Okay, because he's saying that he was shot with a bullet. He wasn't hit with the bullet. From what I can tell, he was actually hit with a piece of something that broke off from the bullet. I'm not sure how close it got. They're still studying this, and you know, people that say they studied the video and they understand everything that

happened are also full of crap. I'm sorry, because they've gotten about one hundred things wrong already, all right, and people have tried to make all these points about different and okay, let me just throw a few things in here. Some of the stuff that people say they see in the crowd is not abnormal, you know. The weird thing people that say they would have reacted immediately and this and that you're also full of crap. You know.

One of the first questions that was asked to me on that roundtable show was, look, Chuck, I happen to know you a little bit personally. I know you've been around, you know, when people have been shot. And I'm like, yeah, okay, you're funny. But he's like, yeah, but what about these reactions from these people. I'm like, well, here's the thing. They're in a crowd, they're at an event, They're not thinking about gunshots. They are in most cases going to be first

going what the hell just happened? Where there's almost always a because people are going, there's a delayed reaction over here. See, you can't win because you got the lady reacting beforehand, which does look strange. Uh, And then you got other people saying these other people aren't even reacting, and I'm like, yeah, they're not reacting because it's not a movie. Dude, you don't immediately when something pops go, that's a gunshot. I need to

duck for cover. That doesn't always register unless you're in a circumstance where you're expecting to be shot at. So they are also outdoors. You know, there's a lot of people talking. Trump is talking, There's you know, there's there's just ambient noise. So these are legitimate. I agree, I you agree in retrospect. Yeah, so these are legitimate reactions from some of the people that are in the crowd. And by the way, you can

reference to Kennedy assassination for this. How many times did I hear from these eyewitnesses? I thought it was firecrackers over you know, five hundred times. You must have heard that if you've ever studied the Kennedy eyewitnesses. So this idea that it's like, I'm not sure what was happening, and there were firecracker type noises, you go, yeah, yeah, that's right. Okay, So there you go. It's it's exactly what happened. That to me

makes all the sense in the world. This is not something that you know, like it's like, oh, these people are all stage. They're lying, they're making up. No, they're not. When they're telling that story that sounds off, and they're not aware of what's really happening, and they're thinking they're hearing firecrackers. That is exactly what I would expect from a real situation. Now, am I saying everything in this situation is real? Stay

tuned? But when you're telling me about these crowd reactions, not you peers, Okay, please, I'm not streaking direct, And I will say just so everyone knows, I don't. I do appreciate that people react strangely. Also, I mean, because you can you can then turn around and say the same thing that like the you know, the parents at Sandy Hook acted weird, the children acted weird. It's like, have you ever been in

that kind of Well that's the thing, arguably a way worse situation. Well, Like, and people are telling me, you know, Trump didn't react right and this and that, and I'm like, you know what, when I got shot, okay, and I was actually hit with a bullet, Okay, when I got shot, the first piece of my awareness, frankly, was I'm wet. I felt blood on myself before I felt pain. Before I felt, you know, this is not something where it's like this

is proved positive that it's BS because he said this. No, there are some things that are true that way where it's like that's absolutely insane. There's no way that you thought that. But quite frankly, if somebody knew right away, if somebody you know that instantaneous, I was fully aware of the

fact that there was a shooter, you know, thirteen degrees away. Unless you're like a trained tactician who's on guard, you know, and expecting something, Yeah, you're not thinking that way, You're not reacting that way, and that's legitimate. By the way, I'm asked in the chat room, what was the roundtable show Saturday night? Anarchy. It's that thing that Anarchy, who used to be on my show all the time, does with Tom

over there on the New Prisoners Network. So that's where I went on, and Nature Boy was on there and a bunch of other people, and they were having the discussion Saturday night when this happened, and I joined them late to discuss it briefly. And then by the way, I carried the press conference from Pennsylvania on a simulcast here on Ocelli dot com right after that to try and get the fresh information, which was weird because nobody from the Secret

Service showed up at the presser. But anyway, but there were years here go ahead too busy trying to figure out how how badly they screwed up. Well, that's the thing is that. The thing that alerted me right away though, is that, look, there is something way wrong here, because I know Secret Service procedures what they should have done. There was no way in hell that that building shouldn't have been covered, uh and and been right

there monitored the whole time that Trump was speaking. He gets a couple of minutes into his speech and this guy's able to climb up there. So yeah, just to jump in too. The not only that, but that multiple people seem to be screaming that he had a gun on on the roof.

And I saw this earlier today. This is like a wp X I you know, uh, like local news report Channel eleven, local news there and and they there's a reporter there saying that you know, they'd spoken to a law enforcement person that not only like you know that I did him multiple times. And and now I also saw I read some story earlier today that a compacts. We went up on the roof and confronted him and then ran away.

So I mean, so I guess this was how Also, this is how my mind evolved from okay, oh you know, and I think part of me, deep down, the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist in me, wanted this to be the you know, mk ultra deep state event. You know, I think I was sort of hungry for something like that, you know, some big news, right. And what is more disturbing, seemingly is how I don't even know if it's like uh uh like lax attitude. I

mean, it's like it's like beyond a fail for the Secret Service. This seems like they, I don't know, they need to be completely revamped. But the fact that this kid a just even got up on the roof while people are screaming, let alone that he fired what was it like seven or

eight shots? Now I know that obviously there's and I know there's conjecture whether the uh you know, there's a footage of this like sniper on another roof, whether or not he he was the one that killed them, or if it was a I know that I read that it was a Secret Service agent that got up on the roof and yeah, he's the one that you know. I forget the stupid terminology they use for killing neutralized, but the the level of incompetence that's that to me is the is the kind of the conspiracy.

And I was actually curious what you thought about this because as someone who has studied the jfk assassination, and I might be wrong, but but is it not more or less established that there were Secret Service agents then that knew something was going to happen and they didn't care, or they that they they disliked Kennedy so much that they were well, look the other way, or we're not going to pay attention, or something like that. And to me,

on some level, I couldn't help. But wonder is that is there an element of this year because it seems like beyond a failure, well that's yeah, this kid could even get this close. Okay, So there's a couple of open possibilities here, all right. And to be completely fair, all right, and I'm not looking to defend the damn Secret Service, I'll tell you that. But look, the idea that somebody intentionally allowed it to happen when it came to Kennedy, that's you know, I don't know that

I would say that that's true with the Secret Service. Now, were they hungover? Yep? Right, were they? You know, there's a lot of things going on there. But let's get away from the Kennedy thing for a second and talk about the specifics here, because it's important. Local law

enforcement may indeed be responsible here. Why do I say that, Because the Secret Service is supplemented, okay by local law enforcement, all right, and other agencies they bring in the state place, They bring in all kinds of people, military, whoever they need in order to secure things like this. Okay. So here's the thing. A local law enforcement person got up on

that building, you know, the story you're hearing about. From what I understand, the guy climbed up to see what was going on, had his both hands on the edge, looked up at the guy right before he fired his shots, all right, and got to look at him real fast, okay, and went oh uh. And the guy pointed his gun at him, and he let go of the edge of the building and dropped back down,

and the shots were fired right after that. Now, is this something that was handed over to locals or state police or something like that where they were supposed to handle you know, the rooftops outside of the perimeter, the lines of sight outside of the perimeter. If so, somebody might want to check that decision and figure that whole thing out, Okay, because something wrong there. But is this local law enforcement? Is this the secret Service?

Many of these things could be true, and a multiple of things could be true. Here, in my mind, it's either a failure or indeed the thing that you're suspecting that somebody allowed it to happen. So either it was allowed to happen, or it is the ineptitude of the people responsible for covering this specific line of sight. Okay, I know that sounds crazy, but that's what I see here, because there was no way in hell that that

should have happened. I'm sorry, it just should not have happened. Well even if even if we and I think obviously the local police, it's so funny too. It seems to be like the most timid local police in the country. I mean, you could literally just you know, walk down the street and in a lot of places, including New York, and you know, look at a cop a funny way, and they'll just shoot you right

then. And there. But yet here, I don't know, You've got people screaming, there's a guy on the roof, he's got a gun. You know. Whole minutes are ticking by while this is happening. You know, the cop walks up there, doesn't you know, I don't know. But there's like that. But even if even if they were like okay, yeah, like we're relying on the local police, they had to have been

there for some time prior to that. It's not like they just show up and they were like, okay, whatever, there's no one on that roof or this roof or any of these roofs, you know whatever. Like it's not like they I just the Well. See, that's why I said there's a lot of possibilities there because this should have been checked ahead of time. I told you the one story, But that's not relevant for what should have

been done. That should have been taken care of well ahead, like you're saying, it should have been you know, well established, and somebody should have had a constant eye on that line of sight since it was clearly a line of sight that was accessible from what did they say, five hundred feet? Yeah that is Yeah, that's exactly the kind of thing that should have

been under surveillance and controlled. Nobody should have been allowed to be putting the ladder up against because now there's images out there a ladder up against the building and get up there in the first place, so ahead of the event, it should have already been secured, so that nobody could have made that move

to begin with. I'm telling you about a cop that goes, hey, you know, because he's hearing from other people there's somebody up on top of the thing exactly, and he goes, well, let me go check that out. That right there, in and of itself, that story is off because it should have been secured. They should have seen him when he's approaching. Somebody should have stopped him. Well, it's so I know, this is I and I'm trying to pull it up if this is an ABC News

or another article. I read that the that particular, the building that Crooks went on top of was filled with police, like local police snipers that were acting as lookouts. So I mean, I don't the it just the level I know we're repeating ourselves, but the level of incompetence to allow something like that to happen, It just it doesn't this is I think what is so bizarre about it, and maybe this is the kind of conspiracy when it comes

to this is it. It's like the negligence is almost so extreme as to be unbelievable. Yet for all intents and purposes, it seems like there is nothing more to this than some weird kid who may or may not have been bullied, who may or may not have been a Republican or a Democrat or a libertarian, or he actually just hated all politicians, you know, who may or may not have been. I mean, according to the high school he went to, he was laughably bad at marksmanship, so much so that

he couldn't make it on the team. Yet seemingly as almost you know, as amazing. Aim I don't know, you know, I mean, like we're meant again, we're meant to believe that because Trump turned his head to point at some adiatic you know screen that he had up about how many illegals are something he was going to arrest, right, that that's what saved his life. So it's I don't there's something and maybe that's just the world we

live in. I don't know if I'm if I'm what my point exactly is with this, But it just seems that the we we are all kind of looking at this and seeing this as being completely unbelievable, and yet that is the reality, and we're just sort of like, yeah, I guess so. I mean, also, this was the other one that really that did make me wonder, what is going on? There? Is Trump fist pumping and then them chanting USA. They don't know what's going on, right,

you know, I mean, they have no real clue. They'd say, now I know that, and again I don't know where we're getting hot mics on all the Secret Service with them, you know, clearly saying so that in all the news channels they can they can run the same where they're saying, don't worry, he's neutralized, and Trump is asking, well, let me just put on my shoes. I mean, first off, why do they even shouldn't they just be picking him up and you know, carrying him.

Instead they let him pump his fist multiple times, and then all of these photographers walking around with giant black cameras pointing at the president. I mean, if I was a Secret Service I would probably shoot one of them. So it's like these amazing photos that are now going to be like burned into our memory. These will be in history books at some point, you know, Trump with the flag, I don't. I guess I don't know what

to make of it. Yeah, because it seems like there is no conspiracy, Like there is nothing actually all that odd about this kid other than the fact that he's a twenty year old that just decided to do this seemingly for no reason. There's no manifesto, there's no you know, he told people about this. I don't actually buy I will say, I think this is bs this that he had explosive to vices and his you know car they always do. But I, you know, what does that mean? That weird

too? Like I I gotta tell you that's one of the weird things, all right. So a bunch of things unepack there. It is totally bizarre that he was allowed to stand up and make sure that he got the new getdy image of him with the fist up right, which is going to be an iconic image. I mean right away. Somebody even said in one of the emails I got, like immediately it was like, doesn't this remind you of the you know, the the iconic image of Ebo Jima and nine to

eleven. Oh sure, yeah, no Bush with the flag And it's like, I mean it does I mean that again It's I I do not do this often, but I did find myself earlier today moored at work and I was scrolling through YouTube and I did watch a little clip from the Joe Rogan experience with him talking about this. And this is not not advocating, it is you know, it's a guilty pleasure. I think many people would admit to this, but I will say I mean he eventually just completely went off

the rails and I had to turn it off. But there was something about it where, you know, he's like, we are like you know, you say, oh, we're living in a simulation. And even I started to kind of wonder listening to it that the confluence of events, it's it's it is like did we I know you mentioned the you know, the Mandela

effect earlier. I mean like, did we all collectively like go to sleep, you know, Friday night and wake up in an alternate reality where something like this can kind of happen and the I mean the the it also the proximity to the RNC uh. It just like of all the things. Now Biden has COVID, so I mean, who knows if he's gonna make it like literally yeah, I mean like and plus the change in narrative. Now, I look, and if you're a try here's here's the worst part of

all this appears is it is a giant roar shock test. Again, it's literally an ink blot of crazy that you interpret. And that is all I can take away from this. Because the Trump supporter out there interprets this one way. The Trump hater interprets it another way. Uh, the you know, wide eyed absolutely, you know, I understand why people have always made

fun of conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorist takes it another way. The uh Joe Rogan's of the world, which are just half a step away from the guy I just mentioned, the Joe Rogan idiocy. Okay, Uh, is yet another way. And it's more about what you brought into the situation than what

it is you're going to observe as to how you interpret this. That's the truth at this point, Okay, Because according to the Trump supporter, okay, and I mean the rock ribbed, I believe in the system, and I believe Donald Trump is a hero Trump supporter, right, that guy is saying, and immediately afterward was saying, and they all simultaneously said, this

is the fault of the liberals and Democrats who have demonized Donald Trump. Now somebody finally decide to do something about the demon and it is all their fault. And they don't see anything other than that. They just see that Orange Jesus was damned there, taken out because he was going to be martyred because he's against the Liberals. He's owning them. They know it, and at a desperation, they've set people loose, and that's why there's violence. The

Democrats have caused the violence. On the other side of the equation. The Trump hater who suffers from the other kind of Trump arrangement, who is like he's going down, He's a felon. That person is sitting there and saying, this is what Donald Trump gets. He encouraged violence. He brought it on himself. Now that is the person who was, by the way freaking out the moment that Facebook went live with This is an Antifa guy. He

was arrested. He actually said justice is coming on Facebook, blah blah blah blah blah, which first of all. One of the most unbelievable things is that a twenty year old would use Facebook to make a declaration at this point in time, because I don't think there are any twenty year olds on Facebook anymore, but maybe I'm wrong. Well not to mention that that guy in question is an Italian like soccer blogger, yeah right, you know. I was also seeing Oh god, what is her name? It is escaping me

now South African journalists. She used to work for sixty minutes and now she's like full maga right wing QAnon almost sort of. Her name is escaping to me now. But I I, you know, I saw her. She was saying it's a Chinese agent. It's all been confirmed, you know, and this is like Chinese agent, yeah, you know, and it was

just like, oh okay, I didn't see that one. And it was one of those like she she's like she's quoting a tweet and it's like crazy if this is true, like you know that that sort of thing where it's like who even are these people? I mean, I don't actually I saw

this. I don't know if this is true because this is like I saw this on like, you know, it was like like someone retweeting something that the this because I know people make this big deal about it that, well, Crooks is a registered Republican, but he gave fifteen dollars to the you know, some progressive organization AKA that you know, Therefore that means he's actually a eight member of the deep state. I saw people saying that it's actually

a different Crooks. It's like a sixty nine year old man who lives in Pennsylvania but not in Pittsburgh or something like that. That's the guy that donated the money. And I will also say that this there's this weird one. I just don't believe. Now, maybe I'm wrong. I was like, are these like high school students this politically active and motivated? My favorite, my favorite is the one they have an a guy with an FBI jacket on

allegedly hosing down the roof where he was. Okay, but there's stills out there of that. Now there's a video of it out there too, But there are people saying that they're hosing it down because it was all fake, that it was a complete fake thing, that the guy actually had you know, one of those blood packs on they use in the movies that you know,

which funny because they just dismissed the case against Alec Baldwin too. Right, you know the russ shooting, Well, you know, people making some sort of I don't I don't know how that links to it, but I know it was linked to it in the story. I couldn't finish reading the damn thing. It made so much nonsense. But they were like, this is all staged. This guy didn't really die. Uh, he was shooting blanks, okay, And I went, what in the hell, where where

is your look? I'm all willing to go for the strangest conspiracy theory if you have a little something called evidence, So what is your evidence for this? You know what? Because the guy is hosing off the roof, you know. But it's like, yeah, either way, if it was fake or they blew this kid's head off, they would still hose it down.

That doesn't actually Yeah, but they're going no, it's a crime scene and there's no and I'm like, yeah, but they're done with it, yeah, exactly, you know, I mean right, but you know what it is too, I don't this was the thing. And I think you're so right to call this sort of like a rorshack test, because if it was a deep state, they wouldn't have missed. But that when the deep State wanted to get rid of Kennedy, they blew his brains out all over his

wife. Yeah. Yeah, And there was no way in hell he was escaping that. Okay, I promise you. Okay, here's the thing about this. Yeah. Indeed, if the deep State was after Donald Trump, and this has been my contention all along, if they really wanted to neutralize them, would have been done already. All you would have had to do. And you don't have to do it in public now because there's too much you know, exposure and too much you don't have to do it publicly.

But even if you wanted to do it publicly, all you gotta do really is do something crazy like pick some of that stuff that you know, the Russians were using to poison people in his yeah, in his diet coke. End of Donald Trump, and you know, and he can drop that on stage and they could just call it a heart attack and end the story. Oh, so happens the seventy eight year old guy had a heart attack.

What are you going to do? Uh? Look, if the deep State wanted to get rid of them, even if they wanted to make a public display of it. They don't hire this guy. Okay. Also, I you know, and I will say this, this was to that end. Also, one is if it was a deep state that again, I mean, this only benefits Trump. I mean because then then at one point, you know that the gears are turning and I'm like, was this, you know, was this Trump did? They did? Did Trump's people? You

know? Like that to me almost makes more sense that this was the you know, they put this kid up to it like that, you know, because it now it's like, there's no way he's losing the election at this point. But even the people that were on the fence are now going to turn and be like, well, you see what the Democrats do. They make you know, they brainwash these children into going and killing you know, our dear leader, right right. So he's got nothing but support out of

this. But here's the thing. The people that and there are people claiming that Trump, you know, Trump's people arrange this, And I'm like, no, no good there, because here's the thing. Trump might arrange something like this if he was in charge of this kind of thing. But if his people were arranging this, they could do a better production job. Okay, because even The Apprentice had better production values than this. All right, this is not something you do for that kind of display. I'm sorry.

I don't think Trump's people set it up. I don't think it's faked. I don't think it's a crisis actor. You know, it wasn't a Hollywood thing where he had a blood pack that exploded. I'm sure that what they had to rinse off of that roof was not just blood, but probably you know, when somebody dies, they they you know, brains, maybe some urine as well. You do release your bowels in your urine when you die

suddenly like that, that's for sure. Uh, don't know if people are aware of that, but so they probably had to rinse a few bodily fluids off of the roof. Okay, not surprised, dude. It is such a super roarshack test though. I'm telling you, you can see where somebody goes, whether it is completely outlandish or it is just you know, complaints. It's all about what they brought into it, not what they're taking from it, not what they're observing, not what they're figuring out from the existing

evidence or analyzing the video. Everybody thinks they're a video analyst now, which you know, it's hilarious, but it's no. Here's the thing, what they brought into it, they're taken out of it. I'm telling you, that's all it is at this point. And the thing is, even with him, why did I say he was full of crap at the beginning? I'm being asked because his son, even Eric Trump, you know, he goes on CNN, and now they're very friendly to the Trump. You're going

to see the mainstream media now be very friendly to Trump. They're still going to show opposition. Well, that was the day he became the president. He became elevated. He was elevated by this. Even in the mainstream corporate media, he's now elevated. They're even being nice to Eric Trump. And Eric Trump's like, you know, literally going, my dad was almost killed, you know, and this kind of thing. They're saying that he was struck by the bullet, and all evidence to my knowledge at this point is

that he was not struck by the bullet. He was struck by the shrapnel from something that the bullet hit and it made him but I don't even think it was metal. It was probably a piece of one of those teleprompter screens. You're not supposed to say. That's what I'm thinking the gunman's struck based on what I can tell. But look, i'm making a supposition here. Check the evidence on it. Though I do not believe you're going to find that he was wounded by the bullet. I think he was because people are

going, oh, look at the way the blood spatters on him. That's not what happens with this and that and these are you know now everybody's you know it thinks they're dexter too. They're blood spatter experts. They're wrong, They're wrong. Okay, So here's the thing. If you were scraped by a piece of flying glass or plastic from one of those teleprompters at high speed, because it was struck by a bullet, makes perfect sense. The wound that you see on his ear, and you can see it from another angle.

It's not slapped onto him. It does because you did see the other angles that are like underneath from these other people's cell phones. Right yeah, Okay, So ultimately, pierce, after we go through everybody else's machinations on this, let me ask you again as I did at the top, right, and I'm sorry. I know I'm taking this a little long, but you got a couple extra minutes. Yeah, yeah, Okay, here's the deal. What do you see? And let's identify this. You're not a

fan of Trump, but you're not particularly like anti Trump. You're just kind of a guy who goes, you know, this guy kind of sucks because guess what, I lived in New York and I live in Actually this is you speaking. I'm saying I live in New York. I lived in New York. I think Trump sucks because I know the way he behaves and seeing the way things run when he's around them. But you're not particularly anti Trump. You're just kind of not not in the way that you know, I

don't know, so Rachel Maddow might be. So with that qualification, you're not Rachel Maddow. Okay. You know you're also not Alex Jones and thinking that the globalists were defeated the day that Trump won in twenty sixteen. Right, So you're on either side of that equation, and you are somebody's familiar

with conspiracy stuff and you might have predilections toward that. Okay, So I'm giving all these qualifiers before I ask you again, what do you take away from all of this, Outside of the fact that it's clearly convenient, it is going to help him, It is helping him. I think it is absolutely solidified. And you know, I also watched was a Steve Schiers on YouTube ranting and raving and screaming that people need to stop saying that Joe Biden

has lost the election now because of this. This is ridiculous. Didn't change anything, And I'm like, yeah, dude, it changed a lot. And also your guy failing on national television during a debate saying that you know, he killed Medicare or whatever, and you know, and then the next day declaring that vice President Trump and all that, and also he's the first

vice presidential black woman ever. You know, those couple of days with Joe Biden kind of made the case that maybe the old man's had enough there, so you got a bad choice on that side. True. And the guy who just did get shot at for real, uh is still standing, pumped his fist and had his crowd chanting USA and other people. You know, two people died, right right, I know, yeah, okay, well,

don't worry about that. Don't worry. Yeah, that's that's all imaginary too, right anyway, point is this is not a fake staged thing. It has only helped him. Okay, but but but but what do you

take away from this personally? I think that one, at least one thing I would take away from this is very much along the lines of what you were saying earlier, that this is one of these significant events that is then reinterpreted and regurgitated and morphed to conform to whatever our preconceived notions are to uh, you know, to explain whatever it is that we want. And I guess it. I see. Also the main takeaway is, and it's a

little disturbing. Is truly how deranged the majority of the population is when it comes to this, because you know, it is like you are, It's basically like it is. It seems to me it's become a situation where like you're either pro assassination or anti assassination. That's how dumb we've become, right, you know? And and I was I I saw all of these you know, articles about all these different you know, the students that knew him, and all these students who I don't know, what are they twenty years

old? If they're a day Young. You know, they're all they all are like, well, you know, he hated Trump and he he hated us for being Maga and Bob. And I'm like, you know, what, what is your stake in this? First of if you're talking about a kid, you probably haven't you barely even noticed right yet. But now he's the most famous thing that's ever happened to your crappy little town. So you know, we're all gonna we're all gonna kind of jump on the bandwagon.

Everyone wants to be interviewed saying that they knew him and he sucked and you know we were we were pro Trump and he was anti Trump. Again, they're they're interpreting all of this is and I don't know what. There's no way that Crooks was I don't think he like was anti Trump. I mean, this kid is obviously way unhinged to think that one that to even think that he could get this far, you know, I mean, he had

to know he was gonna die. There's there's no way he's just shooting him and then walking away, So you know he went there to kill himself. Basically, Yeah, see the suicide by cop thing nobody's brought up right, I mean, I am maybe maybe that's how he wanted to go out. It could be, it could be. And you know, and there's something also that that it again like the this is the other thing I take away is and then maybe this is again this is like how people are able to

sort of form these insane opinions. It's like everything on the face of it seems like the opposite. So you have this kid who looks like he is the the quintessential lives in his mother's basement dork. I mean, no one has said it, but like looks like an inceel. You know, he's the he's the he's the the ultimate Beta cup. Yet his father is a

die in the wall right wing kind of libertarian Trump supporter. He was on he was actually targeted by the Trump campaign back in twenty sixteen as a potential voter for them, because the Trump campaign has this giant database of gun owners, right that they were then using to target. So, you know, and and he, you know, this kid is like the opposite of the

sort of what you would think. Yet he he he like seems to idolize all this like macho gun culture, you know, you know, alpha male, you know, but at the same time, he's the opposite of that. See and look, why not the suicide by cop slash F you to dad kind of right, yeah, I'm saying no, I know exactly and the f there again. And I can't shab them what that must feel like. But it I don't know, I I and you. I thought that they would at least have maybe put out a statement or something. I mean,

who knows. I'm sure they're under investigation. And also all the people in the in their neighborhood. I saw this video of this this uh this was on uh Inside Edition, which is still amazing for these like great sort of uh you know, man on the street interviews. But they're interviewing some an elderly woman who I guess lives in the neighborhood, and she's like, oh, yeah, they all suck. Nobody knew them. They were reclusive. We didn't trust them. You know, they they were strange. They

kept to themselves. I mean, you know as if like they're you know, they're they're like they're you know, the the they're the murderers, right, you know you always hear that afterwards, like oh yeah, you know, we they're a little weird and quiet, and no one knew that he was, you know, killing women and eating their corpses and stuff. They're

talking about these people that they like live next door to. So I think it's it's it's illustrated to me the lengths that the mental gymnastics that people can

go to in order to justify whatever they want. And I can't help but look at the comparison, and I'm sure people are kind of rolling their eyes, but with the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, where you can look at this one single event, this one person who touched the lives of so many in Washington and elsewhere, but only walk away with, well, it's all it's all

Clinton, you know, or well it's all Trump, you know. And people are able to do this too, this kid who's a registered Republican, No, he's a secret Democrat agent because maybe he donated fifteen dollars, you

know. And you're also seeing every one of these students who clearly bullied this kid be like, no, I mean, you know, we were just like they all make it seem like she was the weirdo that like he was so weird, we didn't like him, you know, we were this wonderful, tight knit little you know school where everybody loved one another and he was

the freak. And here's the thing about that. Nobody is gonna also be honest about the motive that if you're interviewing a Trump supporter who happened to know this kid, they are clearly gonna want to demonize and distance themselves because, oh my god, this guy took a shot at our savior, right, so you know, but that's like these kids that are like barely out of high school. Yeah no, but we love him, we love Trump, you know, And it's like, what's your skin in the game with this?

What is their skin in the game. It's because there's a game to put skin in. See, that's the problem here. Okay. These people that are the loudest voices, the people that are absolute about this okay that I encounter, frankly, are usually the least informed. They are people that have nothing to do with anything, and they go and because you just ask them one question, it solves it all. Which, by the way,

I got one closing doozy of a question for you. But you ask him one question, you say, okay, look you and it's whether they absolutely despise hate Trump. Oh my god, he's a monster. He's a fascist, he's the second coming a Hitler, He's Mussolini. I go, wow, Okay, look, I think he's a scumbag. And he's a real estate hustler from the Queens. And clearly you know he's a fiction because you tell me. You know, everybody says he's a great businessman. I still

say, how do you bankrupt three casinos in Atlantic City? I couldn't figure out how to do that, even if you gave me a good supply of methamphetamine. Okay, I'm just saying, can't be done anyway. So you ask him this one question, whether they hate him like that, or this man is God's instrument. He is the absolute you know Orange Jesus. All right? Either way, you say to them one thing, why, what is the biggest thing? What is the absolute proof, the thing that makes

you either hate him or love him? And if they're on the extreme sides, listen carefully to their answer, tell me about why you hate him. They will tell you something that didn't happen. They'll add in some things that

did happen and pile it all on and try and create a dogpile. But they'll also throw in and he did this, and he did that, and we know he did this, and I know there's proof of this, and the stuff that they're saying there's proof of People have made jokes about like they'll say, I know he molested his daughter, you know, if they hate him, And comedians have made jokes about that. People have made, you

know, weird illusions about it because he's too touchy. Peelis made strange comments about uh, you know Ivanka, right, and people go, man, that's a little weird. But they'll say that there's proof of that, and they'll say that, and then they'll say he was on the Epstein plane, and then they'll say something else crazy that isn't probably true at all, and then they'll throw in something else about something else he did. All right. On the other side, you tell him, okay, why do you love

him so much? And they'll say something like, you know, he made this thing happen in the country, and you sit there and you shake your head and go, wait a minute, I was here. I don't remember that. You know. He'll say that all of a sudden, the streets were safe when Donald Trump was in office. The migrants and there was no violence in the country when Trump was in office, and I go, wait a minute, there was You guys were complaining about it, you know,

like completely divergent things. And then they'll say, and also he did this, and also he's on the side, and some of the things they'll say are true, you know, and plus and then the final thing they'll pile on if they love him, is you were in a lot better shape financially when he was in office than you are right now, which is an undeniable truth. Yes, that's true. I was. Is he responsible for that? That's another question. But you just piled on a bunch of crap too.

So what I'm saying is that they'll adopt the fiction and the reality to go along with their own stories, right, And that's the way this works. Again, it's the rar shock testing. You guys are going to see what you want to see out of this assassination attempt? Was it an assassination attempt? Yes? Is this kid who they say he was? Pretty much? And remember there's a spin on it. Do I think this guy, this guy would have shot up a school or something eventually? I think,

okay, because it just sounds like he's that kind of guy. He decided to shoot at Trump University. As far as I'm concerned, that's what he did. And I don't know if it was an f you to Dad, or if it was an f you to Trump, or if it was just you know what, I'm gonna commit suicide by cop all those things which nobody has mentioned or even referenced. So let me ask you the final weird question here, and then we're going to close this out, Pierce, because all

I'm gonna do is get myself in trouble. I can already hear and see the hate mail in my mind. I all right from this tonight's show, the ugly messages. I'm going to get on Twitter, the people that are gonna unfriend me and hate me now until November at least. Anyway, here's my other question, because RFK Junior Okay, who, by the way, as far as I'm concerned, has now shown himself to be nothing more than a tool of the tech industry and was clearly inserted into the race just as

a contingency which is now not needed. So he can now go away and he's going to And I really wanted to believe in him, but he's proven himself to be guess what another puppet of the system. So I'm done with any sort of support of RFK Junior. I would love to have believed in some of the things that that guy might have legitimately fought for had he been given a position of power, but clearly that's not what he's in it for. End of story with RFK Junior. But here's the thing about that.

Immediately following this situation, that over the next couple of days, when we were contending with this and everybody's talking about, you know, and elevating Trump and his supporters supported more and his haters are angry, and everybody's angry at the media for one reason or another, either the right wing media or jerks because they have raised the level of violent rhetoric in the country, or the liberals have raised the level of violent rhetoric in the country. And therefore,

okay, all that put aside. RFK Junior allegedly has now been granted secret Service protection. You know, how good is that protection? Well, I give you, you know, exhibited at this point, you know, yeah, I would if I was him. But but here's the thing. Now he's been granted that protection. We have a leaked phone call, there's that going on, which speaking of phone calls, I found it funny that there was this, you know, completely friendly phone call between him and Biden.

You know, Joe Biden, he's sick, he's demented. You know, Donald Trump is a fascist. Okay, you know, they're both dangerous to democracy depending on who you ask again rorshock Test, but RFK Junior, who's not a danger to democracy but has a bug in his brain and is a conspiracy theorist, you know, allegedly. Yeah, whatever, you know, let's keep going. You know, Alex Jones is a poster boy for the First Amendment too. You know, let's keep going on with the KACA if

you want, because I love Joe Rogan anyways. And Elon Musk is a genius too, by the way. All right, so yeah, moving forward, you know, away from the other elitists, what are your thoughts on that RFK Junior, the leaked phone call, secret Service protection, and now again the unanswered questions. It took them days, by the way, to get to the ultimate thing that I pointed out immediately, which is that there are three levels of security procedures that not even just specific to the Secret Service

were violated here on Saturday night. But clearly there is either incompetence in play or a malicious effort to allow danger to be acceptable in a circumstance where it should not have been, which, by the way, for the record, here, even though I have no love for Donald Trump, I don't want to see him catch a bullet. I don't support the idea of solving any of this at the barrel of a gun unless we're forced to do so.

And I don't sit there and say, well, remain bloodless, so long as they don't, you know, push against us like some people have done. And by the way, congratulations jd Vance, who I also told people Saturday night was the VP pick because the Secret Service immediately mobilized around it. By the way, just so you guys know. But anyway, and I got that from somebody who works for Trump, and they announced that he's the guy on what was it Monday Rights Convention? Yeah? No, yeah,

was it? I think it was first day of the convention? Was Monday, right, okay, yeah, so that's when they got Anyway, the thing is this, what are your thoughts about the RFK Junior thing and what is your final thought on this whole circumstance. I mean, it appears to be organic, and it is as believable as it is unbelievable. And I stand by my roar shock test statement. So where do you come down?

But before you go there, RFK Junior and your thoughts on that and the leaked phone call, well, I think that, well, who I guess who leaked the phone call? Right? It had to be Trump, because isn't isn't isn't Kennedy back, He's like walking it back, being like, oh, I shouldn't have you know, I regret ever talking to him, or something like that, or or I regret that we recorded it in the first place. Yeah, you suspect the same thing I do. Yeah,

okay, but I am assuming it's Trump. I see, I don't think that. I think that Trump is also he will believe whatever he thinks is going to get in more votes. So you know, at a certain point when he was president, being openly referencing QAnon gave him legions and legions of diehard supporters. So he did it, you know, I think he.

I think when it comes to the kind of conspiracy people, you know, many of which are are going to be I think more in support of Kennedy then, you know, Trump will support them, you know, I mean he he and and you know I couldn't help. But remember too that you know, Trump was the one saying that. Remember you know he was back when he was running, I think before he was even nominated, he was the one saying Ted Cruz's father helped kill Kennedy. So you know, he's

there's like the I think he taps into it. I don't think it's I think it's just I don't think Trump actually cares about vaccines or anything like that. This is also the same person who bragged about how fast he got the COVID vaccine out. You know, that was that was a big win for him, right, and that was again even people that despised him were like, well okay, you know, but then at the same time he's say, you know, he's he said, yeah, I don't take it.

I don't I don't believe in it, right or you know, I mean, so he he'll change his opinion if tomorrow, you know, every one of his supporters became you know, pro vaccine and loved you know, trans rights, then that's what he would believe in. You know, I don't think he I don't think he cares. I find it interesting that it seems like RFK Junior is there is something you know, I think he is still maybe trying to curry favor with Trump getting a Trump White House. You know,

this whole Oh, I'm so sorry. I apologize. I should have never happened. I mean, what, you know, what does he care. He's ostensibly running against this person. You know, they shouldn't like, I don't know what this should so weird. The the it's still the reverence that people show to this guy. And maybe that's just because, as you said earlier, RFK Junior, Trump, Biden, they're all ostensibly in the

same clas they all know exactly what the script is. They know Trump is going to be president, and they all want to, you know, have a piece of that, whatever that may be. So that's that's my sort of at least right now, that's how I kind of view it. I mean, I find all these like leaks and everything. I mean, the timing of this stuff is just it's unbelievable. I Mean, if if I was, you know, like a reporter or something, I wouldn't be able

to keep up with this. Every day there seems to be a new thing and all of it seems to favor Donald Trump winning in like a huge landslide re election. So you know, I find all of that is I mean, I don't know if you'd know if it's suspicious, but it's interesting that it all kind of lines up. But I think that that's just weirdly,

this is like the world we live in. You know, we live in a time where maybe this is you know, this, this is you know, the result of there's just so much information out there, there's so much going on, it's all on our fingertips, you know, and now everything happens so quickly. Trump gets shot, next day he's at the RNC, it's got you know, gauze on his ear, you know. And then

following that like RFK Junior is getting pulled into this. I don't know, I mean, it just it does seem like this is just the world we live in. The only way to keep people interested is every day it's going to be something new, and they're kind of pulling out all the stops with this. I think I got to start a new podcast called the Deep State Report. But you know, cause I mean, it's getting weirder and weirder, and it is so strange, and I say, you know, you

take a look at the money that came in to people. I mean, the disgusting amount of money that's been spent now on this presidential selection. I took note of this a couple of I don't know a few few days ago, because you know, the second quarter was was filed with the you know, the Federal Election Commission, and you know Trump raised more money than Biden did. But I mean when you're talking about between the two of them, they raised in that quarter half a billion dollars, right, you got three

hundred and thirty I think for Trump and two hundred and fifty million. These are millions of dollars I'm talking about for Biden, Okay, more than half a billion dollars. And then I don't know what Kennedy raised. I didn't read his FBC report because you know, it wasn't I don't think it was even at the top. It wasn't even like number three, uh, you know, in the order. Okay, but when you think about the billions of dollars now invested in this, you know, farce of a choice.

I mean, realistically, if you were somebody who came in with no dog in the fight, no knowledge whatsoever. If you're one of those imaginary illegals that's now allowed to vote, which you know, I don't know how you get to do that, but let's just say you just landed in America recently. You're getting the chance to vote for the first time. You've never bothered to take a look at a politician, a president or anything else since you've been here. And you said, you know what, I'm gonna go vote.

Let me pick one of these two guys. You look at this and you say, I got this guy over here that's in crazy land where, yeah, they're trying to bust him, he's getting away with stuff. They tried to shoot him. He didn't die, you know what. Pretty interesting, pretty cool, And he's supposed to be a rich guy, and man, you know, he's got a lot of rabbit supporters. This old man

over here looks like he needs to retire. And these are my only two choices, you know what, I gotta go with the orange guy, you know. And the other funny thing was you notice a couple of days after Biden's meltdown on TV he had a spray tan on two. I mean, and I'm like, are you kidding me? So anyway, Pierce, is

there anything you want to direct people towards? As we quotes out here tonight, I don't know what we accomplished during this conversation except to say that it seems to me like the common theme not only is twenty twenty four the year of the lawsuit and this selection farce where look, as far as I'm concerned, Trump has already won. I mean, unless he literally does drop dead

or something happens like that, he's in there. As a matter of fact, even if he drops dead, I'm thinking he'll still be selected, so we'll have President jd Vance is what will happen? Right? Aka Peter til aka Peter TiAl And you know, we didn't even get into that. Maybe we could talk about that next week if you're around, But because I do want to discuss that with somebody, like all the big tech money, because that's another thing prominent in RFK Junior's campaign. Crap, I'm going in that

direction. Sorry, hold on, anyway, is there anything you want to direct people toward or you give them advice about to pay attention to or anything else before we close this one out? And I want to thank Larry Hancock for joining me in the first hour and talking about the current situation regarding Ukraine and the history. But of course we discussed the events of the assassination attempt on Donald Trump here with Pierce Redmond Porkins himself Porkins Policy Review dot Com.

The website might be a need of updates, but of course there's a lot of old material out there that is still interesting to listen to. And who knows what we'll hear from Pierce in the future. And I'm hoping to hear from you in the near future again, not just on air, by the way, but just as friends. I'd like to hear from you a little more. And I know my cell phone was shut off and stuff, so sorry, but anyway, here we are the new reality. I'm not able

to pay all my bills. How about you. I don't mean you Pierson, I mean well, I'm having trouble with him too, the listeners, right, we're all having trouble paying our bills. And isn't that the key

issue anyway? Okay, so back to it. Anything you want to point people to or say on your way out the door, sir, uh, I guess just that that it. I guess I would just say, uh, let's pace ourselves because if this is, if this is just what we're getting before the election is even really begun, right, you know, before it's like really kind of like kicked into full gear, I guess just you

know, pace yourself, because who knows what else we've got. You know, we've got Elon Musk donating nearly fifty million dollars a month to Donald Trump, Peter Thiele essentially hand picking a candidate you know, VPS so that he can have it, you know, a seat in the room. So yeah, I guess, just let's pace our sells. Let's see what else we we've got, uh, you know, to kind of pop out of the woodwork when it comes to you know what, what is just a presidential election?

That's you know, that's all this is. Uh So, yeah, I guess I guess that's all. That's that's sort of all I've really got. And just that, you know, I don't know, I'm still hoping for, you know, are kind of a good kind of m k ultra big deep state kind of conspiracy. Maybe maybe we'll get some kind of an October surprise if we're lucky in October surprise. If we're lucky I mean, look, I I don't want to see President Kamala. I don't want to I don't want to see any of them. I don't want to see the

President advance. I don't. I know, I'm fed up. I mean, I miss I miss Bernie Sanders at this point, I mean I really do. Uh did I just say that out loud? I missed George Bush? Okay, certainly, you know it made more sense. I mean at least I knew we were going to war, you know, for sure? And that was that. Oh god, I mean what, you know, what direction are we going in? I have no idea. Uh you know, it was was the assassination, you know, a completely staged uh blah

blah blah blah blah. No, No, I think it's just a symptom of what it is that we are experiencing currently, which is a varying spectrum of less than sane realities converging that. That's where I come down on it.

What do you think? Yeah? And and I think also just a culture of ineptitude we are you know, I can't remember there is like I feel like there is a term for this, but you know, it's like rule by, like the very worst but you know, and I think there's an element of that, and there's also just like whatever the you know, rule by idiots is. I think that's where we are. You know, we give the police an insane amount of power, and yet they can barely

secure you know, a twenty year old with acne and a rifle. Same thing. I mean, you know, we give all of these individuals, like you know, the President, we give them this insane amount of power, and you know, it seems like she's under control. Peter Geel is in control. Yeah. So look, bottom line is I think we're looking at suicide by cop. And the only reason why this guy didn't shoot up a school is because the schools are not in session in July and the Northeast.

So there you go. And I don't know if this was an f you to his dad, or an few to Trump or just a I know for sure this will get me killed. I'm not certain. And we have no manifesto, which again lends itself to being not staged, not choreographed, not pre arranged. But Trump was struck by a piece of debris, and he's got his celebration. I even posted in the chat room, you know,

his getty image. And you know, what's another thing, just really quickly as you also told us that you know, Joe Biden is now tested positive for COVID and I wasn't even going to bring that up, but what the hell, that's another thing. Maybe that's a strategic move to get him out of the public eye temporarily, you know, just thinking, Hey, I am conspiracy minded, but maybe that's part of the reality currently. Let things cool down and disappear down the memory hole. But who knows where that

memory hole is going to be by the time we get to November. I think bottom line is it's still the roar shock test. You're going to take into it what you take out of it, and that's all there is to it. So Pierce, I just hope that we survive all the way through the rest of twenty twenty four. And I really really wish no violence upon anyone as we move forward for any reason that is uh, you know, there should be no violence against anyone, is all I'm saying, not for

the means that people seem to think that that are valid. At this point. A lot of people think that violence is justified for disagreement, and that to me is the saddest of all situations. So whatever's going on here and whatever rhetoric people think justifies it, and this, you know, call for unity nonsense. Nobody's calling for unity. They're just calling for galvanization of their

side of the equation, and that's all there is to it. So I'll leave it at that and tell you guys, I'm merely o'celly.