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talk you to that. Always always great to talk to you. So I love discussing media, the analysis of what's actually happening, not just in your corner where you like to do stuff and the local news that you were that you were doing there, getting around things in your state, et cetera, et cetera. But I love just talking to you about media in general.
Now I know you swore off Star Trek. Maybe we could talk about movies and entertainment later because I have some thoughts about Indiana Jones and a few other things. Well, I like to talk about the local stuff that have meant it with you. A lot of stuff we can talk about. We haven't talked in several weeks, but he just mentioned I just got to ask you sure, just because you mentioned the words star Trek. I just saw this morning, I believe it was or yesterday, something about Star Trek pop up
and this I think it's called Strange New Worlds. Yes, but but and I haven't seen it, and I haven't seen Picard. I haven't seen a lot of these things. But Anyway, it popped up in my Facebook feed and someone made a comment comment that this is the best Star Trek and it's more like the original show than all than the next generation or the previous ones. Is that true of you if you've watched it. I don't know if you watched it. I was just about to tell you that. Honestly,
I know you got disappointed with Star Trek Discovery. Um, but here's the thing, Bray Strange New Worlds, Okay, is is very interesting. Do you know anything about it or do I need to explain some of the premises. Well, I just so. I just had the notion that it's like the Cage characters. Yeah, basically and basically but it does one and so forth. Yeah. But but it also contains some of the characters, you know, like Spock was you know, part of that crew. Yeah,
Horra is part of this crew as well. Okay, um, and these are all new actors and everything. It's very cool to me because it is true to what seemed to be presented with the you know, the rejected pilot with Star Trek. It's true to that, but obviously with better technology.
Uh. I mentioned I have the original series on DVD. You know, owned it forever, and it was and I watched it who knows how many times as as a kid, but I was bored, and I you know, decided to put the first episode in and then I watched the second episode and it's called it's the one called Charlie Axe. This guy is young,
but he you know, can kill people and stuff. But anyway, in it, there was a scene and this is like the first or second of the episodes that they made, and in it there's a scene where her is kind of almost almost flirting with Spot pretty much is teasing him on the bridge. And then there's a scene where they're in like a recreation room and she's
singing and doing the same thing to him. And it just made me realize, you know, in the in that the newer movies, they make out maybe there is a relationship between the two of them, I don't remember. Yeah, that's funny. And you know this, this this little horror spock thing, it's right there in the for the first two episodes, that's right, basically, and then it goes away completely, so well it's it's I
forgot all about it. Yeah, see, not completely. When you rewatch these things, you'll discover that there might be a reason why they, you know, when they reboarded the Star Trek universe, why they did certain things, Like a lot of people thought it was strange that they put that relationship between the Horror and Spock in the jj Abrams movies. Yeah, that's yeah, and they forget yeah, but they forget exactly what you're talking about.
And by the way, there is an outtake, uh, just floating around I think on YouTube and also in collectors editions out there, remastered and all that of like the full thing with Nichelle Nichols singing and all that, and they cut a lot of it from the show that aired, and it's actually some pretty cool scenes. So I don't know if you've ever seen that stuff,
but it's worth it. And quite frankly, since you like having the DVD collection, I know there's some anniversary DVD out there with a whole bunch of this, like you know, footage they didn't find in the vault until like twenty ten or twenty fifteen, so you might be interested in all that. But back to your initial questions about the new stuff, let me tell you the Strange New Worlds is very much like a modernized but very much like the original Star Trek in its feel, in the way it is, except
they're using Pike and it's the crew before Kirk. Although Kirk makes an appearance in Strange New Worlds, he's the captain of another ship. He doesn't have the Enterprise yet, right, So it's just before Kirk becomes the captain of the Enterprise. So I find that interesting because I always wanted to know more about the Jeffrey Hunter time period when we saw you know, the Cage being
released later because it was the rejected pilot. It didn't air with the original series, but they did use parts of it for the Menagerie, which was you know, was something they did to save costs. Remember the whole thing Spox being uh, court martialed, etc. So it's an interesting thing going back in the history there. It is very much for if you were disappointed with Discovery, you should be happy with Strange New Worlds. Okay, that's
number one. Number two Picard redeems itself in a different weird way, and it's third and now final season. That's it. That's the end of Piccard Because if you did you like the next generation Star Trek when you know the original Piccard SHOs. I didn't. I mean no, I really liked the original show. I mean, as a kid, I've watched over and over. You know, I watched it a lot. Isn't on TV on UHF you didn't, oh yeah, stuff like that. But I was lukewarm to
the Next Generation. That's the way I would put it. I didn't. I watched it, but I wasn't real excited about it. Oh well, then Picard might not be for you. Even the season three Season three, they bring back a lot of the Next Generation people and answer a lot of
Next Generation questions, and it almost now slots in really nicely. Like originally Piccard was very strange because it was like the you know, the the Federation seemed to be a very dirty and mixed up thing, and it was a little more, you know, a little more gritty than most people are used to with Stars. I would say by the end of the Next Generation that I kind of stopped watching Star Trek. I just got sick of it.
These I didn't. I guess, like like the Next Generation last as it went on, So I didn't watch any of The Voyager, and then I didn't watch the Deep Space nine, and then I did watch the one called Enterprise and it was okay. I thought it was okay, But but you told me to watch Deep Space nine, and I got I watched it, and I really liked it. I've watched that maybe two years ago, two or three years ago. Yeah, there's a lot of good. Yeah,
there's a lot of really interesting metaphorical stuff there. And you could think to yourself, this is them showing you about history, This is them showing you
about the current situation as the show was being made. Because if you think about it, where the nine to eleven paradigm was very hot in everybody's mind, you know, the War on Terror and all that, and then you put it in that context, holy crap, that show looks a lot different to you if you think about it that way, right, it seems like they're showing you stuff like like, you know, like they did an original series where the Klingons were kind of like the stand in almost for the Soviet
Union. In a way, I think that there are many different metaphorical nods there to the War on Terror and the situations there. There are literally acts of terrorism that go on in Deep Space nine, and it's it's very much in the zeitgeists of its time of origin. Also, Enterprise had a bunch of stuff like that, you know, the concept of torturing prisoners and all
those sorts of controversies. But Enterprise wound up falling flat because it just people lost interest at the time, because the real world was filled with enough conflict you didn't need the imaginary ones, you know. At the time, the the the war in Afghanistan was hot and heavy, Iraq was happening, you know, and the questions of are you a patriot or not and this kind of thing. It fell on the wrong time period, I think, and
they did a bad ending for that show, Enterprise. You I don't know if you remember the terrible ending, but because they were just basically being driven out, they cut their budget and then they told him, look, you're gonna have to end the series now, And because they knew that was happening, they kind of hurriedly threw that together and it sucked. But there was interesting time periods in that series as well. I think if you want to
recommend from me, don't bother with Picard. I don't think you'll like it, but strange Worlds you will enjoy it. If you're okay with now I'm going to follow Captain Pike right, and you don't, I'm willing to give it a try. Yeah, I think you'll find that interesting. Also, you know, because Kirk makes an appearance that there's plenty of nods to things that you know about from the original series. Uh, there's an exploration of
not only the situation. You know, Spock wasn't just flirting with who or who or wasn't just flirting with Spok but you know, I don't know if he ever took notice. But go back and watch the original series again. There's really subtle little things about Nurse Chapel and who she's involved with. So you know, take a look at that. And then when you wind up looking right, yes, Spok again now in Strange New Worlds. I don't want to spoil anything for you, but it's expanded upon. You get an
idea about where certain things came from. And I don't know if you remember the thing within the original series, Spot was supposed to go get married. Oh yeah, sure, and so they go through that in Strange New Worlds as well, and now you get really more context. It's interesting. It fills in a lot of stories Kirk's brother is on the Enterprise. By the way, Sam Kirk is on the Enterprise while Pike is Captain. Just so you know, anyway, I think you'll find it interesting with those connections and
the actor doing it. No, he's not Jeffrey Hunter, but Jeffrey Hunter was very much like a guy of his time, you know what I mean. Like, if you put Jeffrey Hunter on TV today, people would laugh at it. But in the nineteen sixties, Jeffrey Hunter, the way he was carrying himself and presenting himself makes sense. So the guy who's doing Pike on this series actually does an excellent job being a modern day version of what Captain Pike should be, a more evolved version of more subtle you know,
less of the nineteen sixties style acting and everything very very good. I think you'll enjoy Strange New Worlds and what is there three two seasons now altogether, and one of them is actually currently running, so I think you'd enjoy it anyway. For those of you who have now been bored to death with the Star Trek discussion, which if you are, I'm sorry, but I've watched
them all. I've watched them all. I've enjoyed almost all of them, and Star Trek is a very cool thing in my mind and does give you that that crossover between art history and reality as it unfolds in a very fascinating way. It's also one of the most involved universes in entertainment history, where you have a franchise that has been you know, presented in movies and television
and books in so many different ways. I don't think anything has the you know, half a century presentation that Star Trek has, So you know, some people think it's nerdy and goofy and a waste of time, but not me anyhow. Let's get into some news and stuff, because book that's usually the business we're in. I want to get into what it is we're going to set up for the rest of the show because we'll go to a break
in a minute here. But before we go to that, uh, you know, what has been on your mind or catching your attention lately, I'll tell you I was enthralled with the with the congressional hearings with the FBI director Ray there for a minute. I find it interesting the way the Republicans have sort of switched sides there for a while, you know, when the other side of the aisle was teared up Christopher Ray as somebody who probably wasn't worthy
of running the FBI and everything else because he was a Trump appointee. Blah blah. I find it interesting that the Democrats are almost defending him and things he's done, and the Republicans are kind of on the attack regarding, you know, the behavior under the five s Accords. You know, is the FBI being abusive because the way they treated Trump, of course, not about the way they you know, general everyday citizens are steamrolled by the FBI or
anything. No, not about the unwarranted a veilance that they do of everybody quite often. They're not really digging into that so much, but they are upset that they think conservatives are being targeted, and that's clearly being discussed openly and uh, sort of in a confrontational way right there in Congress. You can tune in and catch or listen to it one way or another on c
SPAN or on radio if you go and find it. So that's been happening, along with what Biden economics, for God's sake, and a whole bunch of other things nationally. I don't know if you want to talk national stories or you want to go more local. What's on your mind? What's been catching your attention in the feeds lately? Well, I don't. I'm not paying any attention to those political stories national political stories that you mentioned. Okay
at all. I went to a board me what's the word? Um U, I'll participate in a hearing today, like a town council meeting or a county meeting, which is stuff I've ever done before. It was really I mean this, this is real obscure stuff. But this is how the system works, and it connects to the national politics, you know, because it's it's about voting. I went to an electoral board meeting today and um what happened was I mean, it's a long story, but uh, and I
know I don't know that there's three members of electoral board. I don't know them, but I know the people leading the Republican Party and I know and the people I know, the guy ahead of the Democratic Party and these electoral
boards. I mean, the thing about elections in twenty twenty, we had all these people saying the election was rigged, it was stolen, the machines and this and that, with no understanding at all of how the electoral count process works, to counting of votes and how electoral boards work and all this stuff. People just believe these narratives without any real understanding. But I went to this meeting as someone concerned about wanting to know what could what's going on,
because maybe it's possible the system is about to be rigged. Okay, so let me ask you a couple of questions. It is. Yeah, I'm not worried about that, but I went to the meeting. Okay, Well, let me ask you a couple of questions about this, because this has become part of the national debate one way or another, but it's something that's on a local level because honestly, it's your local election boards that have
control of most of the things people are complaining about. So we're all familiar with the fact that, you know, Trump said twenty twenty was rigged because he lost, you know, and that's that That's an interesting thing in and
of itself. But it is fascinating that a lot of those national stories and even the lawsuits that came out, whether it's you know, Dominion suing Juliani or whatever, you know, it was all about, Hey, look, you're accusing us of all kinds of mouthfeasance, and you know it's not proper. Meanwhile, there's been a lot of ruckus on the local level, sometimes
people not knowing what they're talking about. I mean, I saw stuff in Georgia here where they were saying, well, they won't allow our people in to observe when the rules are not structured that way, and quite frankly they already have party representatives in there to observe things. Nonsense. Yeah, but what I'm saying is is that people are trying to literally take things to court when they don't even know about the process, the way it's supposed to run,
whether it is running or not. This is what you're addressing. So I want you to get specific about this because you're saying to me, Look, you're an honest guy. I know you honestly, you're thinking to yourself, look, there could be problems. So I'm curious, you know, before we get into what you did at the meeting and your participation, what is it that caused you to be alarmed in the first place to think that there is a possibility of something not going Uh, you know, according to
the way things should be above board and all that. What was your first indicator. I mean, it wasn't the national discussion obviously, did something tip you off that hey maybe, oh yeah something. The way the system works, there's an electoral board of three people and two Republicans, one is a Democrat because in at least in Virginia, the governor, whoever the governor of the state is, has control over over that. Now, this board is
it in your county? Your town that gets the county. It's an oversees the county elections and their job is to hire the registrar, who then is ultimately responsible for all the voting stuff going on and including monitoring finance forms. It's it's a pretty big job. Yeah, well, a registrar just really quick again another question, Sorry, but a registrar just don't want to pass
by things too quickly. Where where I used to live in Jersey and I haven't dealt with the registrar here in Georgia, but in North Carolina I did. But anyway, Jersey I had a lot more familiarity. The registrar handles all sorts of statistics and vital records for an area, right, So a registrar doesn't just handle voting in Jersey. A registrar handles like, you know,
where they keep birth certificates and stuff like that. Like one of the problems I have is I can't get my birth certificate from the registrar in Long Branch, New Jersey because I need ID. And the thing is, I need my birth certificate to go get ID. So I'm going to catch twenty two they're regarding my you know, government ID. Anyway, the registrar where you are, do they hand handle all kinds of stuff like that too, like birth certificates, marriage records. I don't know about that. I don't
know about marriage. So you just know about their responsibilities regarding voting that right, yeah, yeah, and in voting roles, who's on the voting roles and not in all us? Yeah, who's on the voting roles? Maybe they maybe they also have a list of people that need to be taxed, even though they don't handle the taxes, like for property tax and stuff. Or is Virginia one of those states with or without I kind of doubt they're
doing they're handling taxes. I think that's the commissioner revenue. Okay, no, no problem. Look, these breakdowns could be different ways, different state by states. Yeah, just because you say registrar though I wanted to clarify. So yeah, yeah, it's voting registrar. Voting registrars. Okay, no problem. So anyway, I like, you know, I know, you know, I know these different people, you know some of these people.
So four Year County, just again, just to put it back on track, four Year County, there's this three person board and this is what you're focused on. But again, what was the thing that That's what I'm trying to That's when we get it. So I knew from people in the Republican Party. They told me they had problems with the registrar and and they were saying, she's not showing up, she's not working at her office, she's working at home. They want her to work at the office, and
the and the elector board is having problems with her. And now she's making a change of who the registrar is. Okay, now is that an appointed position? Number one? Number two? Was she's appointed by the elector board of these three people? Gotcha? Okay? Now, what she's staying home because of COVID or was she just working? From what they told me, was they asked because of COVID and then she just continued to do so because she has children. She's a single mother of children. That's what they told
me. And this was in May that I'm hearing this from people in the Republican Party, leaders of the local Republican Party. Then, now, did the Democrats have many complaints about this or was it all one? None? None that I knew of, None that I knew of. And then in a few weeks ago, she was a month ago, a friend of mine got an invitation to apply for her position and she had been terminated or or told she was not going to be rehired by the board. And they're going
to find a replacement. That's what he was told. That's what I understood. And then the newspaper they had a change, and who the editor is. This new guy came in and they got this reporter that's brand new and like twenty years old. And I don't think they barely know what they're doing, especially the younger guy. They don't own the newspaper. The guy that owns the newspaper lives in Florida somewhere, and he owns a bunch of newspapers.
He's not hands on, and these guys are in there. They've written a couple of articles that, in my opinion, are sloppy journalism, bad slanted, terrible articles. And they did an article last week about the electoral board meeting that took place, a recent one in which the article said that Democrats and I know the leader of the party. I'm not a Democrat, but I know this guy, and he's a reasonable person. He's not crazy's
you know, he's I know him, you know. And the article was written a way to make it look as if he went to the meeting and made a bunch of accusations, is that the lady had been fired for political reasons and that the board, the electoral board wasn't being conducted correctly, and the article had him shouting and and made him look like he was a madman. Basic. So not only do you know this guy, but were you at the meeting? Because you've been going to a bunch of these meetings.
I'm not at this meeting. You didn't go to that one story about a meeting. I've never been to an electoral board meeting. You know, I got a Board of supervisor. Electoral board meetings, they're pretty obscure for you know, most, you know, day to day things, because you've been going. I just want to know, because you've been going to a lot more of these meetings, so I didn't know if you're gone a lot of the Board of Supervisor meetings. I went to get all kinds of different things.
But they've been an electoral board meeting. But I read this and I don't believe the reporting is up and up from what I'm reading, and I know there's something going on that's not in the story. It doesn't make any sense. So I had decided to go to the meeting today already, and then yesterday the newspaper put out a story eight pages long that is basically recounting all these electoral board meetings. And now when you read this, they basically
had to correct their reporting and let it all out. You know, basically it's just quoting what's going on at the meetings and a lot of facts. So now the guy you know is not a crazy man, and they now the lady that's been fired, they have her entire story. Her face is on the front page of the paper and the story is supporting her. Okay, all right, well, I'm just trying to keep this straight. So the paper that was on the side of get rid of her, but the
crazy Democrat is screaming, has now changed their tune entirely. And this is both of these different takes were under the same editor. This twenty year old or whatever they got in here. Well, this guy he's that, he's he's not twenty, he's made in his thirties. That but there's another reporter that's like twenties even worse. Okay, so these younger people that went in
there, but these younger guys. But anyway, you know, this story has it being said that minutes of the meetings aren't being done correctly, that things are being said at meetings that aren't recorded correctly in the minutes and the whole I mean, it's just a complete debacle. Well, does it seem like they're trying to cover their own butts by saying stuff like that, Like, hey, look, you know people are saying that we inaccurately reported stuff.
Maybe we're saying that. I mean, yeah, I pretty much assume that they someone's someone must have complained to them, to them or to the owner of the paper, and they're forced to make correct action. Okay, most likely this story could have caught legs and be got on television, you know, or or other outlets could have carried it, right, you know. And then and then the newspaper will look like rubbish. You see what
I mean. If they let the previous stories stand in the story, the events take a life for their own, and then they just look like it looks like rubbish. Well, and somebody goes to say another another outlet, whatever it may be, television or written or whatever, and says, look, you know that story in the whatever paper over here, it's all false. So now you have a competitor with somebody accounting that you know, look, I was there and this didn't happen, et cetera, et cetera.
So they're being made to look bad. They had to correct their reporting a bit so that they don't look like they're just fabricating stuff. But I hadn't known before the story was written. Somebody told me that the Democrats, I mean, not them, someone told me they know, you know, I'm
not I don't talk to Democrats on a regular basis. But someone told me that they were concerned about the integrity of the elections because this lady was fired, and you know, from the way the electoral board has conducted itself in the story. And I went to the meeting today and you know, saw got a little bit of just that. Uh. I believe what. I believe what they're saying, the Democrats in this case, that they're not keeping
the minutes correctly, the meetings have been improper. I believe what they're saying based on your observations today. Yeah, yeah, and talk and incredible people. Uh. Frankly also and not every policy not I wouldn't say that about
everyone that's involved in politics of course at all. But anyway, I went to the meeting today and they, like I said, there's now this Democrat on the board, this electoral board, and speaking of two Republicans, they start the meeting out they have a little bit of a disagreement, and then the Democrat leader, who is the guy I know, he read a statement out. Well, first of all, there had the Republican on the electoral
board. One of the Republicans, he said, they want to put a resolution in that these meetings should be conducted like the Board of Supervisors meetings, saying that there shouldn't be out earst from the public. You can only speak in the public comment period, and you can't, you know, talk at
any other moment implying that that had happened before most like it did. And he that's what they got into this disagreement with the Democrat on the board wanted to read his thing and and was it isn't necessary to have it, but he made a point we wanted to be like the Board of Supervisors. Well, when the public comment period came, the Democrat had a statement he already
had typed out and he started reading it. And the Board of Supervisor meetings that I'd go to most of them, you have a two minute time period to speak. They can extend that to five minutes at discretion, and if you're speaking on behalf of a large number of people, so you can get ten minutes. Well, this Democrat speaking yes today, reading this statement, and it's all about how the meetings have been conducted before, and he's reading
the Virginia State Code and all this stuff. You know that it's not being done properly. And this Republican guy on the board, he gets out his cell phone and looks at the clock going down and shows it to the other person, and they cut him off from finishing his statement. And then I raised my hand up. I mean, I've never I don't speak at meetings. I just want to see what's going on and write about the stuff. But I raised my hand up and I said my name, and I said,
look, I read the story in the newspaper. I want to know what the world is going on here, and that's why I'm at this meeting. And mister Ford, that's the Democrat, I said, he's all in the story. He's the leader of the Democratic Party. I want to hear the rest of his statement. And I go these boards supervisors meetings and they give people five minutes at discretion. You can give them five minutes, you know, said it, said it just like that, and they would They
still didn't let him finish it. Ah, so you didn't. He said, we're gonna hold it. They basically like, we'll put his statement in and and and give them more time next at the next meeting. Okay, so we're gonna enter a statement into the record, but next time he can read it or whatever. But what I was trying to do by saying that was put them on notice that that you know, I'm watching this crap. I'm gonna be back, you know, and and they'll figure out who I
am. I mean, they those guys I don't know. I don't know that, those people on the elector board, but they'll most of the people in the room know who I am. You know, they'll find out. Right. Well, i'll tell you what them on notice. But what they ended up doing, though, was they went into a closed session and hired a new registrar. And I know who's I know her, I know this
person. And I don't believe they're doing all this for to rig the election or some something of that effect at all, But it's like a patronage thing. They're giving people jobs. And well, i'll tell you what we'll do. Well, we'll get into Yeah, we'll get into more of this.
We'll take a little break here and get into the rest of it and talk about what the purpose of it is and what else you observed and what the results the added results too, were after your statement, uh, you know, saying hey, look, you can grant this guy five minutes, can't you, And they said, apparently no. But this is interesting because we
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revelation through conversation. So here we are with segment number two of the o'celly effect. Here on a Thursday night, and Mike Swanson is with me. We were talking politics. During the break there, and I actually overran my time. We had an extended break, so I want to kind of conclude my discussion with Mike. We're talking about the local politics, what's happening there.
We wound up talking about libertarian stuff during the break, and I don't think we're gonna get into it here on the show because it's it's a little weird, a little convoluted, a little little hard to remember actually everything that's
going on. I did mention to you though, you know, are you kind of like saving your steam a little bit, Mike for the twenty twenty four thing that's about to really become the centerpiece of everybody's newscast because it seems to me like all of the build up nationally anyway, Again, if you're looking at your school board and your election boards and this and that, sure
that's the place to focus in twenty twenty three. But I think everybody's getting ready for the twenty twenty four run, you know what I mean as far
as the political game commentary where people are positioning themselves. RFK Junior again being a pillory to excuse me, pillary today on the MSM right, because apparently he said something about chemicals and them maybe feminizing boys and stuff like this, and CNN's out there intentionally kind of trying to hamstring him on that, and you know, once again the conspiracy theorist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Hey, another weird passing news story. Not sure of your interest in it,
Mike, but another passing news story. Leslie Van Houghton got out. Did you see that? One of the answers to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't know where do you want to go from here? I mean, we can conclude pretty soon because we've already passed the nine o'clock hour, and I don't want to keep you too long tonight, but just to round it out, um, anything more you want to talk about regarding
this local situation or you're going to stay on top of it. H Do you feel like any of your concerns are being addressed regarding the local election process? What do you think of all that? Conclusion wise? Well, I'm not worried about the new register doing bad things with the elections. I'm not concerned really, But I'm going to follow up with the people that went to the meeting and tell them stuff about just talk to him, you know,
but it's not. It's not a real pressing issue for me. You know, the local stuff is sort of in a sense like the national stuff. It's a news cycle too, and now you know, next week there's another concern, you know, right, so that it's sort of similar in that sense. No, the big show, though, is the presidential selection in twenty twenty four. Right, That's what everybody talks about every day, one
way or another, the Biden v. Trump rematch. Right, it looks like and there is this idea about Bobby Kennedy coming in, you know, rfk JR. There's what twelve or thirteen Republicans now vying for the nomination because despite what the media is telling you, you know, the nomination has not been given to Trump just yet, although he thinks he's the nominee. And of course the different indictments coming down, and how does that really complicate things?
I mean, I almost feel like these are previews being shown before the new season of the TV show, right where it's like, hey, get ready this year, this is going to happen, and where you know your favorite character will be confronted with this and the surprise tragedy in turn of events, and well it doesn't almost feel like one thing about like this national stuff. So I'm you know, I've kind of not been paying as much attention
to the past couple of months. I've really taken a break from writing that much, even about the stock market. I haven't done a YouTube video, And since March, I'm just I'm gonna spend time over the next couple of months trying to reinvent the local stuff I'm doing. Do you just feel burnt out on the national crap? That's what I wanted one of the reasons why.
And I'm gonna try to fix up the local stuff I'm doing so I can make a little bit of a profit and run it as a business, and then if I succeed at that, I'm gonna fix the main website, Wall Street window and but it's gonna you know, it's just gonna take a while. But with the national stuff, stock market's part of it, I don't I'm not doing anything. I'm not doing trades. I just bought stuff like you know that i've last year that I'm still holding and I don't.
I'm not. I don't think much is going on, so I don't want to I just don't even not paying that much attention, but you know, it doesn't feel as though there's much to report. I mean, there is the current economic it's just a lot of noise. Yeah, there's the current economic circumstances and the pressures of that. So I mean, you know, the Biden economics and what. To me, I don't think anything's really changing at the moment, or I don't think anything important is even happening. Eventually,
it will, you know, and maybe a year from now. But with the news in general, I have come I started to believe feel that the internet news outlets, you know, CNN, all these news websites, um, are are getting worse. Um not in the sense that they're biased or something, but in the quality of their content. And um, you know right now, I think it's a lot of height to it. They're talking about in the AI AI AI you know, it's like the big theme
especially for financial people, like metaverse was. But what I'm seeing and because I look at I do look at the headlines every morning, and I look at all the financial websites and Twitter got you know, Elon Musk buys Twitter, And I just used that as excuse to kind of really trim down on the usage of social media. I haven't done a Twitter post since he bought it, right, I mean not one. But the thing shut with the news though, is what I start to notice is the headlines are all becoming
identical, the stories and the headlines. If you look at the financial media at eight thirty in the morning, you'll see the same stories everywhere. And this whole talk about AI and algorithms and so forth. I just have come to think that these websites are Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's always been like it's a certain degree, but they're just copying each other for traffic,
and there's very little real original reporting going on. Now this was you know, of course this has always been the case, but now it's happening with the websites that are the leading websites of the financial markets. Well, because it's kind of crazy, and the same thing of news sites in general. Well right, well, that's what I was gonna say. It's because
a homogeneous thing. So it almost doesn't matter where you go to get your news, because everybody seems to be taking the very same sources, the very same ideas, and all of them are running with the same thing. So now it's like, because whoever and I don't even know where the beginning of people producing it, except we talked about what is that that news app? What is that news break? Right? So it's the news break paradigm sort
of, because newsbreak doesn't do anything. It picks up local stories from everywhere, from everybody else's stuff, and then presents it and says, hey, we're newsbreak, We're your new newspaper. But they're not. They're not producing anything. All they're doing is picking up somebody else's work. So in the old days, right, everybody would pick up off of say the Associated Press and UPI and Reuters, right, so you might see that across the TV
channels and in your local newspaper, they'll make references to those articles. They might reprint those articles or read them directly even on air, on news, on radio, on TV. Right, So everybody might be referencing from that core of original news sources. And then they would also go and develop their own news. Right. So now people are no longer doing that, no matter what size they are, if they're the small newspaper locally, which is
generally usually owned by some media group or somebody who's totally disconnected. Like you talked about the guy in Florida owning the newspaper in Virginia, so he doesn't care. He's going for cost effective, and cost effective is I'll run a couple of AP stories and have people picked up off the Internet from somewhere else. I don't have to send out a reporter. I don't have to pay somebody to write it. So now his news stories are just picked up from
somewhere else. CNN's doing it, CBS, NBC. They're not just picking up off of each other there, And it's the Associated Press and Reuters anymore. Now they're all seeming to pick out all out of the same basket. And the social media constructs which have been successful and have been almost the primary place where people were getting the majority of their news for the past how many years would you say, I'm like five or six years. That's the majority.
Okay, So those sites also competing with each other. By the way, I find it funny. Now Meta is gonna compete with Facebook over this new Instagram app. I don't know if you saw that thread. I think it was actually Oh no, well see, I haven't downloaded it yet either, but I'm gonna wind up looking at it. I think I saw it in one of your Wall Street Window Morning headlines emails that the whole thing with meta. I mean, I find it funnier that Elon Musk and Zuckerberg might
get into a cage match. That was, you know, a week and a half ago already, but I still find that hilarious. But it's almost like that now where now Musk has this uh you know, massive what was the forty four billion he paid for Twitter or something like that. It's obviously going down in value because they're trying different things over there. I don't know
if you saw that. I think you published actually pick up a headline from somewhere about it, the idea that they're trying to reinvent themselves and their revenue streams are not working out right. Oh yeah, So the world is shifting,
but it's all becoming one homogeneous grab bag. So even if you think you're making choices about why go to this website instead of that one, unless you're honest to God goodness, dealing with an independent media outlet, I mean, a truly independent media outlet that's not concerned solely with the corporate structure and you know, making sure to cut down on overhead. Okay, If that's all they're doing, and they're just grabbing the original sources from other places,
it seems like they're all boiling down to one basket. Now. I don't know where that one basket is, okay, but it's clear they're literally using the same stories, they're covering the same stuff they're not. It's not because the public's demanding it either. It just seems to me as though they've lost so many of these other possibilities. The local newspapers again not doing original work, so now they don't have local sources to draw from. They have a
national stories, sure, but they're all just parroting each other. I don't think anybody even remembers where the original reports are coming from. Somebody goes on the ground and reports the story, and the next thing you know is, you know, the New York Times reports on it, and therefore everybody in TV grabs it, and therefore it's all over Facebook. But I don't think the New York Times or any of the even big metropolitan newspapers are the originators
of actual news coverage anymore. It's like the veil is gone. There is seeming almost no true reporting, chasing down of stories, original writing, going on anywhere, Mike, or or am I crazy? Is that what you're seeing? Well, I mean there's a little bit. I'm not gonna say anywhere, Well, a little bit, but I mean in percentage wise, given the massive amount of media that is being produced, you know you yeah, generally, I think that's correct. If I said to you ninety percent
of it. Yeah, if I said, to unite the last question, if I said to you, ninety percent of what we see being produced as news media out there is actually just parroted, repeated, or cut and paste, and that's it. That is literally ninety percent of the content that's available to the public. Is that what you feel or you're seeing that for sure?
Okay, fair enough, So go ahead, though, because you tell us about what it is that you think is coming regarding this or wherever it was you were about to go. Because I think that's an important thing to remember as we look at these news stories, and you know, it used to be again what the public would demand, these places would put out. But I think they've discovered that even if they don't feed the public demand,
people will still show up. They can still be profitable, and you know, again they're stuck still doing the big lead up to the twenty twenty four presidential election. Even in the news that's not supposed to be political, that seems to be the dominating thing out there, and that's it. Literally, reporting on the potential for a story that doesn't even happen until next year is taking up the majority of the time. It's like they're treading water instead of
doing reporting and following up and getting at real news events. I mean, on occasion you have real news, and yes, I know, you know, local crimes get covered and whatnot, and occasionally something like your board meeting there might get coverage, but look at the condition of the coverage, and that's it. I mean, what's out there is just it's unoriginal and uninspired
and not actually reporting. It's just reporting. What happened to me is I've been looking at these you know, getting up in the morning and you know, we both get j piece of Tilly's news Vannel Um and I put out this morning email and typically spend ninety minutes a day looking at all these headlines and been doing it for a couple of years, and then Um around the you know this earlier this year, I was just like, man, I
don't want to love this stuff anymore because I was seeing in the financial world a lot of junk headlines. I just didn't want to spend time looking at it because I know it's a bunch of crap, right, you know, it's it's just a bunch of junk, right. And people can still and I love your your your wrap ups. They're different from JP's stuff. JP is obviously, the rundown is a very unique thing. And I've heard a
couple of other podcasters actually literally reading just off of his rundown recently. Again, Uh, you know, it's interesting stuff all the time. But if people want to, they can go over to Wall Street Window still and sign up. You can subscribe to a daily news digest over there, I think is the name of the tab, and you have ones for North Carolina and also for Danville right there, and you have a state and local newstab as well, you know, different pages. But you can subscribe and get emails
sent directly to you at Wall Street Window dot com as well. That that is the tab. Use right, subscribe Daily News Digest or something. Yeah, that'll do. That'll do it. And uh, you know that's free, by the way, and you can get on it um and I was really hoping you were going to expand more of the local coverage, but I think you're encountering challenges because people are pushing out stuff there that they're presenting his
local coverage, and it's kind of a misrepresentation. So you're going to compete with these ghosts and echoes. I mean literally in the physical world. It's almost as if the echo of the noise is now louder than the original noise, because that's what you're getting by the time you go through the merry go round of all these people parroting, repeating, copy and pasting, just grabbing
the link and kind of using people per click through clickbait. You know, where do you get original reporting from any more, original writing from anymore? Hardly anybody like we said, like you said, or like I said and you agreed, you know, is just repetition and repeat and regurgitation, and that's it. Not much original content being created in the news world, and
the financial news is one aspect of it, you know. And about that, by the way, just really fast, I know that there was stuff that went by in the news cycle that nobody really paid attention to about the fact and what they plan on doing and where inflation is really going. And as usual, they're giving us those stories about how, you know, the economy's bad, but maybe it's not that bad because we got this story. You know, we saw something in the retail market, we saw something in
the job market, we saw this or that. But everybody's getting squeezed, Mike. You know, like we talk about with the grocery store concept all the time, all you gotta do is go to the grocery store if you want to feel that squeezing. You know, unless you're very, very comfortable,
maybe you don't notice. But I mean generally speaking, anybody who's paying for their own food right and paying their own bills, they know they're getting squeezed, whether it's through the electric bill or their gas bill, or their food bill, etc. Etc. The squeeze is on, and I don't know, economic news doesn't look like it's all that promising or happy, whether you're an investor or just trying to survive the cycles. So I could see
out news in the financial world is kind of tiresome. But then again, the whole thing is really uninspiring and uninspired. Um, it's very difficult to want to even keep up with the current events stream when it's all just this again, homogenized repetition and parroting, right, Yeah, exactly, that's the conclusion I started coming to this year. It's good. So look, before
we're all done, I want to give you a chance. If there's anything that we missed that you wanted to get to, or you know, something you want to leave people with a thought. Again, go to Wall Street, Window dot com, the being the know. It's not just about Wall Street at all. Matter of fact, I just pulled it up just to take a look. Here. Uh, you know, there's a golden silver article right there about the stock of the day. Let's see how the science
of these Soviet Cold War defectors reveal the intelligence abyss part three. Geez, that's that's a mouthful. Um. Let's see what else we got here minus ties to Cuba and the growing presence in Latin America raised security concerns. I mean, there's lots of interesting stories here on the website. Uh, and there's always great stuff coming out of you. And also remind you, guys to if you don't have a copy of the War State, you need to
get one. I'm looking forward to Dallas in November by the way, which you've now confirmed you're gonna go there and meet up with us, right, so, uh, listeners, you'll be able to meet up with Mike Swanson if you're going to Dallas in November. Uh, and we're gonna have a breakout room Prochelli dot com and all that. And I'm now hearing there might be some other podcasters present at the Lancer conference as well, Mike, but you're you're definitely going right, Yeah, yeah, that's I'll be there.
I'm looking forward to you there the whole time. Hey, whatever it is, it is. Uh. You and I got to at least go out to dinner though over the weekend and uh oh yeah, you know, meet and greet some other people that are listeners and stuff to the network. I'm sure there's people that would to just say hi to you that are also going to join us down there, so uh, you know, don't don't worry. I won't let the crazy ones near you. I'll keep them for myself.
Okay, sound good. I'm just making jokes, Mike. I'm looking forward to this, really, I am. Um, you know, it's gonna be fun. We're gonna have the road trip with b Pete and uh, I'm also gonna have some of your books available there. Uh just so everybody knows there's gonna be that and some o'chelli dot com swag and all that good stuff I'm gonna bring with me. H. It is the tenth anniversary of the Ochelly Effect, and it is the sixtieth anniversary of the assassination of
John F. Kennedy. Uh So at the JFK Lancer Conference, Mike Swanson and I will both be there and I'll be actually m seeing the event, and also Larry Hancock is definitely a go. So gonna hang out with Larry and Mike and some of you. So looking forward to that. Anyway, Mike, anything you want to close out with here, I'll let you go because I'm sure you're tired of talking to me in my running health. You
here next week and hopefully nothing crazy happens. Yeah, well, God knows what we'll have to discuss by next week, right, I mean it could be you know, we could have talked about North Korea. There was some North Korean news earlier in the week, wasn't there. What happened? You know what I forget at this point, I just remember there was something I know, I don't think they shot a rocket. I think there was something about the succession and maybe his sister, you know, getting some more you
know, prominence there. We could talk about Putin in Ukraine and how that's going, right, the attempted coup that happened a couple of weeks ago, allegedly, and what's going on with the Wagner group. Well, I talked to Larry about that, but that's some interesting news and views. What's happening there. The conflict in Ukraine is continuing. We just sent them cluster bombs, you know about that, right? Yeah? Yeah, I guess I guess one day that his sister will be the leader. Huh. And maybe
he does look like she looks like show outlive them. I'll just say that. Yeah, But who knows. That whole thing is very weird, that whole family dynamic. I mean, I guess it has to be when you know, literally you're in charge of a government that technically speaking still has his dead grandfather as the head of it. Right. You know that Kim Jong Soon or whatever, the original you know Kim, they're the one that was
in place when the Korean War, you know, was occurring. That guy is still technically even though he's dead, the head of the government there, you know that, right? Yeah, interesting stuff. So as long as all hell doesn't break loose by then maybe we'll talk to Mike about Star Trek or who knows what next week. You're gonna try and watch that Star Trek maybe a little bit this week. Well, honestly, I saved the shows
till the fall when it's all dark outside all the time. Oh okay, so during the summer, I'll tend to watch baseball, so I'm gonna hold off because especially those things. You know, did you start watching one of those you want to keep watching all the episodes? Yeah? I like binge watching them too. Well, how about this. Did you enjoy the All Star Game or did you watch it this year? Now, I didn't watch that. That's to me, that's not real baseball, so I don't I
don't watch it. Yeah, I didn't catch it either, but I did see a clip. And the one thing that I found strange is I didn't realize they went back to doing the national and American uniforms again, because for years and years they just had their their regular team uniform on and there would be like an All Star Game patch. You remember that? Yeah, yeah, but I noted that they actually created national and American uniforms this year.
But frankly, I don't. I think the National League one that was a big headline, like you know, the National League guard they ever wins, but the National League one. But I don't know who played. I don't know what happened. Nothing, I missed it. You didn't watch it. But are you enjoying baseball this year? At least? Oh? Yeah? Yeah, the team offall is doing really well, so a good time watching it? Yeah, you're you're following the Nationals, right, Orioles. Oh,
Orioles. That's what it was, the Orioles. I was thinking you followed the Nationals, But no, it's the Orioles, that's what ye. Nationals aren't doing good. The Orils are doing great. So really, yeah, I got the third or fourth best record, not no kidding. Well, look, maybe the baseball season will be more interesting than the season at Wall Street and uh again guys, Wall Street Window dot com. That is Mike's website. But I also uh endorse his books as well. Interesting book
on the history of Danville, Virginia. If you check out Mike on Amazon, I'll I'll give you a link to that in the show notes tonight. Anyways, guys, uh, look, I appreciate you Mike for doing this with me. Maybe by next week, if all hell doesn't break loose, we'll have a fun topic. And if all hell does break loose, well maybe we'll talk about that or the jfk assassination or god knows what. Right, anyways, thanks to Mike Swanson, and thanks to you for listening out
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