The Ochelli Effect 6-7-2024 Open Mic

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me to, I will call you into the show. So my cos Me Pete is with me, and I got a couple of things I'm gonna have to get to tonight, so I'm gonna make sure I make time for them. I know everybody's got their run on sentences at the end of the show, but I'm gonna cut people off by haf to to squeeze in what must be squeezed in at the end of the show, although I'll try and get get it there. A lot earlier, you might have noticed I did a little reading and a little bit of a re edit of one of the live

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but a lot of things to get to until then. And here we go again, b Pete. How you doing this week? Tall? Doing pretty good. It's it's been busy at work, so I've not had time to really stay on top of anything. But looking forward to a couple of days off as a well earned break. I was gonna say, you almost sound as tired as I feel, which is not good. You sound tired, Okay, Yeah, just like I said, this is a long week, so it'll give out it next week. Plus, it's you know, summertime.

It's starting to get ninety every day or above that time of year. And you like that heat though, don't you? Not that much? No? No, uh now, I like it warm, but I don't like it if it's above eighty degrees. I just didn't go north. I see, you're one of those eighty degree guys where it's like as long as it's like clearly not close to anything chili, but you know, just a little bit, maybe a little I mean, we're any other if I'm on the boat, or I'm out fishing, or I'm at the beach. I don't

care how hot it gets, but it work on that interstate. The area that we're working in, the twenty miles section is in the heat sink of the state is the hottest region in the state daily and it's a lot of sand, so it just when it gets hot there. When it gets ninety five degrees there, it's like being in a low depression in a cooker and thunderstorms blow up, and I mean you'll get last year we saw one hundred and three hundred and four degrees every day. I mean it was it was

nothing. It's a lot of blacktop too, right, so blacktop is hotter than a lot of other places. Job. Yeah, you take take a heat sink. I mean the hottest you know, North Carolina is what eight and a half nine hours from one end to the other driving at sixty seventy miles an hour. So it's a good wide state. But this area that we're in is the beginning of the sand Hills area, and it's just a natural depression. Like I said, this is twenty miles a swamp that we're

building, this expanding, this highway through. So it's just hot and muggy every other day normally. Now you throw you know, upper ninety degree temps on top of that, and it just gets pretty miserable. Not to mention the guys are out there not walking next to a three hundred and seventy five degree paver. Yeah, no, I hear you. But you know, the thing that used to kill me is people would tell me about Arizona all the time when it was like one hundred and seven hundred and ten degrees.

They'd be like, yeah, but it's a dry heat, and I'm like, I don't care how dry it is one hundred and some degrees. It's still hot now it is, Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's true that the humidity sucks, and the area of the state that you're talking about sounds to me like it's far enough away from the shore that you don't get the benefit of the breeze and you also don't get the benefit of being inlanding up. It's like exactly in that crease there where the moisture can still deposit

itself quite quite heavily, you know. So being a lower or a lower elevation section, I mean, it's not like being at the coast, just around the Failable area. It started at the sand hills, so Pinehurst, you know that that belt through there, so it's all turned into sand. It's it's a lower elevation, lower than at the coast in some places,

and it's just a heat sink. That heat gets drawn in there into into that bowl and it just sits there, which you know, suits the you know, you're in the middle of a swamp, so humidity is through the roofs. Yeah. See that was the great thing about it to the job site. But anybody, I mean, the guys I pity are the guys that are having to do roofing. You know, you do a hot tar and gravel roof when it's one hundred and five outside. You know, it's

there's certain jobs that is I don't any guys at all. Well, Roofing just kind of sucks no matter where you are. I mean, is a tough job. I don't think about it. I did. I roofed for a short time. It was mainly over the spring and in the fall. In the summer I had something else going on. But it was enjoyable to get up there, you know, on a roof and start knocking one out. I was just learning how to do safe roofs when I you know, went on to do something else. Those are interesting to me. I'd like

to go. I want them. I'd like to go over to England to see them do those. Theo's turf roofs and the thatch roofs. Those things are amazing. You know. It's just a bunch of dry thats woven a certain way that we the rain hits it doesn't penetrate and get inside. It's just amazing how they work. Well, you know, I've seen that kind

of stuff. I've also done the tar roof deal. You know, when when we had to redo a roof on the factory I was working at, and uh man, it's I don't know, I never enjoyed roofing at all. One of those where you had to put the black membrane down first, and then you brought in your tar and gravel. Well you put down this stuff that that's kind of like paper, uh, and that gets rolled out and it has to be put down just a certain way and uh and attached.

And then you put down just a bunch of this stuff that you're supposed to spread around evenly. That's just I mean, I was just labor on the job, so I didn't know the ins and outs of how it worked. Really. It was just sort of like take this, spread this around, take this, and bring this over to this guy. I was carrying stuff, you know. Uh. But but the rolls that we had, roles of paper that we had to lay down up there, for some reason, it reminded me of paper. It probably wasn't paper, but it was

like rolls of paper, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, like roof and paper, I guess. Yeah. Well, like I said, we had back when I was surveying, we had to go They were doing an expansion on the hospital in Greenville, and we had to go over and do a bunch of preliminary shots on the building just to get locations and stuff so they could take the plans that they had and fit it to the existing building. So we went out there to survey. We laid a

bunch of control points out and we had to shoot up. We shot a point up on the top of the parapets on the corners of the building, and then we shot through the doors into the lobby, into the stairwell, and we surveyed up the stairwell to the roof and then out on the roof and got corner shots on all the corners of the building because they had to peel back a facade to fit the steal in at certain floor positions. So we had to go in there and they got all that peeled back. We're

trying to shoot the interior stuff, they advertied to. We get up there. They're working on a section of a roof and these guys laid it down. It was like a almost like a rubber mat. It was some kind of memory I don't know if it was PBC or rubber or something rubber like material, and it was probably an eighth of an inch thick. They had to completely cover the roof and tie it in, just like you know how the old tin roofs when you do your flashing. Everything had to overlap with

the way the water ran. We had to do the same thing with this. Then they hauled up these damn hot boxes and threw in these blocks of asphalt and melted it down, and they poured gravel on this entire roof and then target it in place. You talk about hot those guys. I don't know how much they were making, but it wasn't enough. Well, that's the thing. It was very hot job. Yeah, no, it was

very hot doing it. Come to think of it, and how they're describing this as rubbery you know what, it was kind of rubbery paper like sort of like it was weird. It was very thin, like you said, if you're talking about something that's maybe an eighth of an inch thick, but

maybe not right even a little. Maybe we had the cheaper stuff even cause I don't know if people know this, but in New Jersey there's like these weird box like factories, which are effectively buildings that are for the most part, they have a part portion of it that's you know, one floor high, and then there's a box that's either two or three stories high that is the rest of the factory, okay, and that's where all the stuff is made or whatever is in the taller box so to speak. There's not two

floors. Usually there's just the one floor and a big high ceiling for various reasons. And here you are. This is what I'm on top of doing the roof for by the way, so I don't know if I was two or three stories up. You know, you're asking the block got estimate. It didn't really matter. I was not happy about it, and because I don't I'm not a fan of heights anyway. Uh So I wasn't happy about

it at all, but had to do what I had to do. And I used to work maintenance in that building, so of course I was another pair of hands sent up there with the other guys to do this. So I just did what I was told, which was carry stuff around. And then you spread things around with what looks like brooms and mops really, but they're a little weird, you know. And that's what I used to this alubas seal stuff here that like they also call it mobile coat, and it's

like an emulsified asphalt. It's got like metal flakes in it. Well pour it out. Yeah, it's spreading either a squeegee or a push brew or like you said, a mob. Yeah. See that's the thing. We had, like push brooms and mops, and the push brooms were a little bigger, and the mops were weird kind of the way they were like they weren't standard you know, stringy mops. They were thick. They were like

heavy duty mops. And and that's that's what I wound up doing. Come to think of it, when it dried, there was a lot of shiny stuff in it. Reminded me of asphalt I'd seen in some other places, you know, where you got a lot of that when it's first, you know, fresh and everything. There's a lot of shiny, glittery type stuff in it. I couldn't identify it, though, because I was just you know, spreading around the blackness of it and trying to get it so it

was laying evenly. That was the whole thing. It had to be like evenly spread around. And again, it wasn't me who was doing any of the refined work here. It was just like I was doing the general stuff, and there was guys behind me fixing and making sure it was done right after I did the uh the once over, you know. So yeah, but I didn't have that job permanently. I did roofing other times too,

but that was like you know, private homes and stuff like that. And I gotta tell you, trying to do it at the shore is weird because you have that sea air and all that, and it's not but still I do not like roofing. Rooping was one of the toughest jobs that I ever had to do. So another job that has got to be tough in the summertime, that's working in a foundry. Well, working with the glass company

was rough too, Let's be honest. When you're trying to, you know, put in stuff at one hundred degrees outside and you're putting in windows, you know, glass, some of this stuff gets hot, especially the institutional you know, really super thick and things that are not supposed to shatter, whether it's for a school or a prison or whatever. You know, those panes of glass are super heavy, difficult to move around. You guarantee to

get cut up. And it's just it's the way it is. And God help you if somebody doesn't handle it right and the weight goes the wrong way while you're trying to hoist the thing up or you're trying to you know, I mean, it's a that's kind of a rough job. But the roofing was worse. I worked one summer, well, I worked for just over a year of included one summer in a watchman's shop in the shipyard Norfolk shipbuilt.

Oh excuse me. It was pretty bad with the furnaces going. But we had we had these massive, huge squirrel cage fans that blowed twenty four sets in the wintertime just to get the heat out of the place from all the furnaces and that we had probably eight furnaces, and then a series of hammers air hammers and presses and drill presses and those pretty neat little shop, but it would get pretty toast to you in there in the summertime, but for those fans going, it always kept a breeze in there, so it

wasn't too bad. Well, I liked working in the shop when I was working the glass glazier stuff. I mean we also built the frames, so you know, working with the drill presses and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, that was the kind of work we did in the shop. Everything pretty fab before we show up at the job, and then you know, take all the stuff that we've been building all week or whatever and install it all systematically, you know. To hear the news, I just tripped across

this. I heard earlier in the week that Dlex Jones was whining on his program about how he is being treated bad. They were going to shut him down, and apparently he has moved to change his bankruptcy to a Chapter seven liquidation and is selling it all. Really, yeah, he's going to be selling info Wars, it says. Jones asked a judge judge to convert his bankruptcy to a Chapter seven liquidation for relinquishing his desperate effort to save info Wars,

the conspiracy platform from which he regularly viewed basis blah blah blah. Last weekend, he blubbered on air that he was being targeted for abuse by deep state actors who wanted to shut down his show, and begged listeners to buy

his dietary supplements to support him. The next day, the Sandy Hook families asked the Texas judge overseeing his bankruptcy case to liquidate his assets, including info Wars and Free Speech Systems, and Jones's attorney affirmed in a Thursday court filing that there is no reasonable prospect of a successful reorganization, so they want to move it to a Chapter seven. Oh so he's going to cash out now, this is new. He's got to pay one point five billion to the

families. I mean, that's awfully h damn well, I've got no sympathy for the guy. He dug his own hole, but one and a half billion, good God, Well, but here's the thing. I contend he can absorb it. That's the thing is, you know, I can't say. I mean, I'm certain that, you know, just like with any other big business. You know, there's probably hidden stuff in the books and all that. But it seems to me like there was enough income that he

could handle it. You know. Well, apparently his income has fallen off quite a bit here recently. Hmmm. I guess he's selling as many buckets and supplements. And the HBO documentary didn't help him. I mean, come on that, along with all the other recent media attention, it might help him later on. Now if he can liquid I'm wondering, if he liquidates his assets, tells everything he's got, they give it to the families. Let's say out of the one point five billion, it's only worth a billion,

okay, so he's got five hundred million. He's still owes it. Okay. I'm wondering with a chapter seven total liquidation, that five hundred mil would be written off and they would take it as a loss. So his little tour here, you know, two three months ago, of being reformatted on the talk shows, you know, boosting him back up and letting him

letting him recreate his brand. Well he got back on Twitter one. Yeah, once he gets this burden off of him, later on, he could become very profitable if you just would remember not to step across the stupid line and challenge people to sue him. Oh there's there's that, plus, you know, allowing people to be docs, giving out people's addresses. I mean,

there's a lot of stuff he's done over the years. Oh yeah, But I'm wondering if his little rehabilitation tour is going to help him here, he gets this thing sold, everything's liquidated, they ride off the rest of the debt because this chapter seven boom. I'm certain this is strategic. You know, it's all profit after that. But this is the way it works.

You know. Look again, when you take a look at the you know, the the Trump taj Mahal bankruptcy, right which, by the way, you just quick reminder, you know, there was a guy from literally Rothschild's ink that gave him the three hundred million to bail that out, just just to remind there. Interesting and that guy wound up being Wilbur Ross as

Labor secretary later I think anyway, that aside. Interesting thing about it though, is after you get through these bankruptcies, you payoff your creditors pennies on the dollar, and all things are settled from the entity that incurred the problems. You walk away, you go to another situation, and you start up something else. I mean, is this not the way big business functions?

Anyway? So maybe this is the perfect create of the LLC. Well, right, let's walk away, crank up next week in another post office box. But there you go. I mean, like you know, this week B Pete LLC went bankrupt and we decided to liquidate. Next week Pete B will come out and you know what I mean, it doesn't matter. And you could name a corporation that if you wanted to, not a problem an LLC, right, a limited liability corporation. Anyway, I find this news

interes and really clearly it's a strategic move. It probably means that he's not going to pay off the full one point five billion, and indeed might be a great reorganization so worth well, but that's the thing, but they did everything. Doesn't he have some property holdings down there in Austin, Well, he had some property. I mean, even with the divorce settlement and all that stuff. That was the funny thing is it's sort of like, oh, I don't own anything. You know, when when he had the divorce

and the child support and all that kind of thing going on. You know the court case where he said I'm a performance artist. That whole situation, well, his lawyers said it. But you know what I'm saying. Uh, And you know it's funny because Richie Allen had me on to talk about Alex Jones like a couple of days ago, a couple of days short of this news. So yeah, you were there, what Tuesday or Wednesday?

I forget which day now, but it was this week and it was like, I didn't expect Richie to want to talk about that, but he was like, let's talk about this. I said, okay, we'll talk about Alex Jones. And He's going, I don't know. I stand by free speech, and I'm like, yes, so do I. But I also

stand by the idea of responsibility. If you're a broadcaster and you know you have a platform, I can't get on my little, my little platform and start threatening to do harm to people otherwise, which, by the way, this week Facebook did something strange. Let me get to that later. In the show to me directly, and I don't understand what happened here because supposedly I'm sexually exploiting someone anyway, is this yea sexually exploiting people? Here?

According to Facebook, I am sexually exploiting adults. Look, I'm glad it wasn't children that they made the claim about, but still, what in the hell hell anyway? I'll get there later, you know, Let's look at what the AP has to say actually on published on June seventh. Here, just really quickly to give people an idea of the news that beat Piet's referring to, and I'll just read like a couple of quick paragraphs from the APCE story, which appears to be a concise round up of what happened here,

And they of course begin with the dreaded term conspiracy theorist. I don't know how much theory he's got behind any of this stuff, but he definitely talks about conspiracies. But anyway, Alex Jones is seeking court permission to convert his personal bankruptcy okay, reorganization to a liquidation. Now that's let's hold on a second here, his personal bankruptcy. Now, if the AP is accurate. This is his personal bankruptcy, which does not necessarily mean his corporate bankruptcy.

Okay, these are two different things, but let's keep reading anyway, which would lead to a sell off of a large portion of his assets to help pay off some of the one point five billion he owes relatives of victims of

the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. Jones and his media company Free Speech Systems, both of five held for bankruptcy reorganization see both filed okay after the Sandy Hook families won lawsuits against him for his repeatedly calling the twenty twenty the twenty twelve Excuse Me shooting that killed twenty first graders and six educators in Newtown,

Connecticut, a hoax on his Info Wars program. But Jones and the Sandy Hook families have been unable to agree on how to resolve the cases, leading to Jones filing emotion Wednesday in US Bankruptcy Court in Houston, asking a judge to convert his personal case from a Chapter eleven reorganization to a Chapter seven liquidation.

The debtor does not anticipate that a resolution may be reached with the other parties in interest sufficient to confirm a chapter chapter eleven plan of reorganization that's in quotes. Jones filing said another quote here, given that there is no reasonable prospect of a successful reorganization, remaining in chapter eleven would occur, additional would incur excuse me, additional administrative expenses without con excuse me, con committant.

Wow, Okay, benefit to the debtors of state. Okay, anyway, I get what they're saying here, which is that they think it'll be there'll be extra expenses incurred during the chapter eleven that'll make it harder for him to pay off the one point five billion. Jones bankruptcy lawyers did not immediately reply to Friday messages seeking comment. Christopher Mattie, a lawyer for the family, said in a statement that Alex quote Alex Jones has hurt so many people.

The Connecticut families have fought for years to hold him responsible, no matter the cost, at great personal peril. They're steadfast focused on meaningful accountability and not just money. Is what has now brought him to the brink of justice in the way that matters most end quote. Anyway, The point is that this is this is a struggle and a tactic thing. They're not coming to reasonable

accommodations. He's dragging his feet apparently and saying, look, I need time in order to reorganize the company in order to get this money out for you. And they're basically saying that it's not working out, and they agree to that, and he's saying, it's not working out. I have to liquefy

in order to settle this. Now that immediately means that they may not receive the one point five billion, first of all, and second of all, this whole process of liquidation, even though it's supposed to be under you know, I'm sure there's going to have to be somebody to supervise it, who

is like a third party arbitrators. Things like this are going to have to come into play here, and you know those people get paid to so no matter what, there's going to be extra costs in trying to figure out how in the hell you get the money out of them and exactly where the money's going, because I assure you, during every bankruptcy there's always an attempt to you know, maybe turn around and not account for everything if they're going to

liquefy something, And that does mean if they're going to actually, you know, liquidate assets. I mean, he's got a personal bankruptcy and his company. Here they only mentioned free speech systems. Now, I don't know what that all covers, or if that covers every entity. And there's another question, right, are there other entities like for instance, Jones could have a separate company that handles his manufacture and production and sales of his vitamin supplements.

That could be a separate company that actually deals with the info Wars brand, right, and he could own both companies while they do business with each other. This is a possibility. There are people that work there that maybe they're not actually employees of inpo Wars or Free Systems or whatever. They may be

independent contractors of sorts. Right, So there's a lot of things to sort out who and what is attached to what, who still needs to be paid And in this way, I think that this allows for a faster and cleaner reorganization and simultaneously, again quite frankly, I mean I've seen this before. The chapter eleven is it kind of has a strict definition. When you start going into these other types of bankruptcies, some things get lost along the way.

Not every asset is always accounted for. I mean, for sure, if there's you know, pieces of property and stuff that's registered with the state and blah blah blah. He's got broadcast towers or buildings that you know are owned by the broadcast company and stuff like that, that stuff is obviously on the block and fair market value, and then sales have to be done and all this other stuff, and then money gets distributed from the results. But

other people get paid along the way. Like I said, the arbitrator is the person that's going to come in and do the property evaluation. All those things is going to require somebody. Even if they start selling off, you know, a bulk small assets, right, they turn around and they put certain things up pro auction. Let's just say there's a whole bunch of oh, I don't know, memorabilia that can be put up pro auction. Well, they'll have to pay somebody to auction it off and to liquidate it,

just like they do with the state sales. Right. A lot of times they pay somebody to come in, Look, here's grandpa's house full of stuff. You get rid of this. We'll pay you to get rid of this stuff. And you know you got to come back to us with some of the money, but some of that money will belong to somebody who actually runs an auction, takes it to the flea market whatever. Okay, there's a whole lot of steps in this process still to be had, and apparently they

weren't making any progress, you know, up to this point. And now his lawyers are going to agree. But again, remember what happened during the trial where you know, Jones and his lawyers didn't file on time. You know, he's doing the whole thing where he's supposed to shut the hell up, he's broadcasting on his radio show and then driving to court after doing it, and after sitting there literally calling what was it positive? He called him

retarded or something, well, not not quite retarded. He said that he was on the spectrum. But either way, you know, he did all kinds of things during that and you could definitely catch up on that with the

HBO Max documentary series out there on Alex Jones. Now, I don't know, I'm thinking to myself, this actually might be a better clean break for him, and the reorganization is going to allow him to have another multimillion dollar operation up and running without any of the pass baggage that comes along with this or any other thing that somebody might try and sue him over, because I assure you other people decided to sue him too after the Sandy Hook Family's got

success. Maybe they weren't looking for one point five billion, but maybe you got personal family members that he told lies about on his show, and even if they're deceased, on behalf of their estate, on behalf of the harm done to those families that he drew into conspiracy theories. Who knows what people

might attempt, and even just trying to fend off those lawsuits. Well, if you terminate the entity that Alex Jones was working for, owning operating however you want to look at it, guess what clean break from all the past bad behavior. Whether he made a death threat or he was screaming that Michelle Obama was a man or whatever. It doesn't matter because that's not that anymore.

Then there's only the personal issues, and then you can talk about the first of the man, because you know, individuals do have the right to free speech that can't be you know, leaned on by the government. So just saying this might actually be a very solid strategic move. I don't know.

BPTE, does any what I just said sound crazy to you? No, I think I think, of of all the of all the options he's got out there, going down the bankruptcy route probably going to allow him to get a head quicker than if he had wrote out that chapter eleven trying to reorganize and pay the debt. Now it's just going to get everything liquidated what's left over. And I don't know if they would be able to go back to court and sue him for the difference. But I know in bankruptcy when

everything is liquidated. Basically there's two things that you can't get written off in a bankruptcy, and that's taxes and student loans. Because the government is now handling the student loans, those two items can't get rid of. So he should be able to liquidate, walk away from the balance that is left, and start over, which would put him way ahead of the game than trying

to drag out of chapter eleven. Chapter eleven, you've only got so many years to get your reorganization done, yeah, moothly before it's written off. Well, there you go, and then you have things that are settled where they'll turn around, you know, like very much when the Klan was sued for that money and then they ended up giving up some buildings because they had some real estate. Okay, that was a settlement based on an evaluation. I wonder if he's got a billion. I don't know. I mean,

that's a high figure. But real estate in Austin, Texas is one thing. You know, that's like being in the Big d You're in Dallas. Real estate, I don't care how big of I mean, if it's a twenty x twenty foot plot on a corner somewhere, somebody will pay you a million dollars for it. Well, there you go. Wonder what he's got total assets, A little bit of studios, Yeah, I mean a little bit of a commercial property, uh, in a nice high population area,

in a popular spot in this country. It doesn't take that much to get up to a billion dollars at this point with the prices on real est it does, especially in Austin, not only being the capital, but it's also you know, the liberal bastion of Texas. Every nut, you know, every left wing nut and liberal cowboy happens to be there. It's a it did. Austin's a different world from the rest of Texas. You've ever been

there? Yeah, But you see, if I told you I got a couple of office buildings, you know, in Austin, Okay, and uh and and maybe some other property where I own a uh, a broadcast tower or whatever, it's actually not that big of a stretch right there. If you take that stuff and other assets, intellectual properties, uh, maybe some cash on hand even and all that together. I mean, I don't think

it would be that hard to come close. And if they do come relatively close to the to the settlement figure, it might be accepted as a settlement too. So I mean they're pretty much at the mercy of the bankruptcy. I don't know how his is structured with it being I don't know how when he filed the bankruptcy if it was connected to the civil action. I think they're two totally separate things. But with the civil action they have the ability

to say Okay, enough is enough, go collect. So if they go to the trustees for the bankruptcy and say, hey, liquidated, we're tired of fool around, tied away, and his lawyer says, yeah, we want to convert to a seven and liquidated, it's not going to take longer to do it. The longest thing it'll take is setting up the action.

I mean, they may have somebody already biting making an offer, you know, for any studio in that that he's got, but I don't know if they could come back ley and sue him for the balance after everything is liquid dated. Well see that's the other fund part that is wiped off. Yeah,

because that's it. Well, that's the other fun part here, is like Clear Channel or iHeartRadio or somebody like that could come forward and literally make, say, I don't know, a two and a half billion dollar offer, and by the time he's done, he's actually able to pay off the lawsuit let go of his entity. Yeah, you could have someone You could have someone like Glenn Beck when he started Mercury Radio and they decided to go

out and start the blaze, they had to go purchase studio area. So you get an individual like him, it's ready to make a break from being tied to some network or something like that, was to go out on his own. They could conceivably make a business offer of that much, depending on you know, what they're looking for in the way of studio and equipment and our part know so yeah, I mean he could, Yeah, he could

probably settle a good chunk of it, if not all of it. Hey, a partnership between say like Tucker Carlson and Glenn Beck and they got their brand new you know Becker Blaze. Beck is just outside of Dallas with his operation. Yeah, I know that's I was on his TV network not too long ago with the pat Oh god, I can't re pack Gray sorry pack Gray show. And I was like, hey, you're you're right near Dallas. Why don't you come down when Lancer? Anyways, Look, we got

callers, and I want to get to them before they get frustrated. And I don't know how long they've been on the line, but a few minutes already, So I want to get them on. Maybe they got something to say about this Alex Jones situation. Uh, And I'm gonna take you guys in order. And I do see one of our regular friends here for sure, and then I see an unknown up here. So let's get to who we can get to. And Uh, first up, Jimmy James, look like to me, you're on the line, what's on your mind? Oh?

So many things, so many things. Hey, did you enjoy this week? Yeah, did you enjoy this week's podcast, because I put down three of them that I thought personally you would enjoy. I loved this week's broadcast. I heard they were pretty much JFK specific right up my lane. Yeah, that's all I did this week except for going on Richie Allen Show. It wasn't the plan initially, but that's the way it turned out. So I was, well, it's pretty cool. I heard you with that

Australian guy, and I just heard you guys talk about Alex Jones. At the end of the day, there are no hate words, there are no weapon words, and whether a million dollars or a billion dollars, these people have constitutional rights and that's clearly excessive Baylor fines. What's your thought on that, Well, that could be one way to look at it. But here's the thing. Freedom of expression doesn't allow me to say threaten you, does

it. Freedom of expression doesn't allow me to do things that cause you harm with my words. Right, So there's kind of this interesting area. See right here, you have to demonstrate that that someone did a billion dollars worth of that Alex Jones did a billion dollars worth of farm to that little hog. Shit, Well, well this wasn't about David Hogg, but if you're thinking of the guy with the you know, the guns there in Florida and all that. But but anyway, look, I'm not arguing for or against

the situation there. It's just that people ask my opinion. I think Alex Jones has been repeatedly irresponsible as a broadcaster and completely unethical as an alleged journalist. And I'm perfectly oh yes he did. No, it's his right to be an imbecile. But he did claim to be a journalist. Uh and he doesn't make that claim anymore, but he used to. And I do remember here, I got the term citizen journalist from him, you know,

and he literally dispatched people out there. He called them his info warriors, right. He absolutely encouraged gave things to people, you know, and all kinds of stuff in order to encourage them to go out there and chase down stories. There's a lot to the Alex Jones operation where he does use speech

to direct people to do things. Now, I'm not even saying that I watched that entire court case to know what was demonstrated and what wasn't u because most of the time it was, you know, a bunch of arguing over Are you sorry, mister Jones? Are you sorry, mister Jones? Do you realize, you know, about thirty minutes ago you were just calling this guy, you know, basically mentally deranged. You understand that, mister Jones. I mean, that's the parts of the trial I got to see.

So I don't know all the evidence, but I do think it's a possibility that you could incite people to do things, and you're responsible for that too, especially when you have a large platform, and even with a small platform, you're not allowed to incite people to go ahead and do harm to others. I think that is a limitation, but that's just stretch. I think you'd have to demonstrate that. I don't think Alex Jones harmed these people other

than talk about them, and they were already talking about themselves publicly. The public figures well like me, I'm Jim James, I'm anominous well fair enough, But anyway, there's a lot of argument to be had there. I don't know what do you think, be Pete. I again, I don't like being Friday's being anything about my opinion. Anyway, we just get the conversation started with between you and I, and I'd rather hear from everybody else.

So what's your thoughts on this? Be Pete anything I want to I want to go around to another caller and then put Jimmy on hole bring him back again later. Well, I mean, I've heard the arguments against you know, excessive assessments in court cases, as you know, beyond the pale. I don't know that we're gonna I mean, even Trump's got that complaint on the Carroll case, so I don't know how that. I wouldn't even begin to guess how that would be treated in an appeals court, but he

has rights to make it. Yeah, well, especially when you look at that case. I mean basically, oh, yes I was sexually assaulted, but I can't tell you what year. I can't tell you exactly, you know, even narrow it down to a season. And I think I was wearing a dress, but come to find out, you know, the dress I was wearing that I said I was wearing didn't come out till several years down the road, so you know, it's all kind of vague. And and yes, he he raped me, but you know, the jury said

nah. In Rapia I still don't understand the sexual assault thing though. I've never understood that they said he specifically did not rape. I mean, that was one of the things on the jury questionnaire. He did not rape her, but he was found guilty of sexual assault, So did he grab her by those judge. That's because the judge took it upon himself to write a summary judgment. He downgraded a crime in a civil trial, which isn't even possible. It's a joke, I know. I mean that one never has

made sense to me. But to come back with that kind of of of award, it seems excessive. And I don't know, I've not looked into how cases like that of excessive awards. You know, some states have caps on awards for civil judgments and things like that. So you get one that's up there in the billions, I don't know what your remedy is to go and try to get it reduced or to get it to be determined to be

excessive. So, you know, I don't know. You look at some of these awards with these pharmaceutical companies and things like that, and well fines and awards, and you're looking at billions and billions of dollars, But personally, I don't know. Is there a limit so we have a limit to how much you can sue somebody for? Well here it is. Is there a limit? Okay? But is there a limit to the amount of damage you did? What is the amount of damage you did? I mean?

And if we assign a numerica, allow you to it today? Right? If you look at that, though, you look at the damage done to E. J. Carroll, how much damage should she suffer? I don't see where she suffered any sing I talked about it. I don't even know on for these years and it's not inhibited her in any way. Okay, she's not lost money, damaged professionally, I don't know. Getting way the hell away from the point that I was about to try to make because the

E. G. And Carroll thing's not even in my mind. You brought up the drug companies, and I'm thinking to myself the amount of damage done by people like that When it comes to the drug companies having these things against them, I have no problem with it because A they made billions of dollars and B you know, if they were doing something destructively and making billions,

Uh, that's one thing. But The other thing is that you know, a cap on a settlement today might not make sense in five years, depending on inflation, especially the way it's rolling. You know. So you know, here here we go. What what are we talking about when it comes to these sorts of damages. Anyways, I don't put Jimmy on hold.

And you know, lastly, I'll tell you this if it is any point Jones had, you know, lawyers that were being directed to actually, you know, make a proper defense and attempt to comply with the court's directions, you might have had a completely different outcomes, sort of like Fetzer, where he basically kept trying to run the same crap through the court, and you know, and the court's telling him, look, you can't do this,

this is not evidence. Stop trying to present it. And the other thing with Fetzer, of course, and this is an example that I used for both of them, is that you know what they then you keep violating the stuff that the judge directs you to do. Now, a normal person, even if you're going for a traffic ticket, try and defy a judge. Do that, go ahead, you'll wind up locked up. A good one for you. On Fetzer, he apparently petitioned to the Supreme Court for fraud

in his original case where it was a summary judgment. Yeah, because he had no evidence, he had nothing to enter, he had no defense, nothing. Yeah, so the judge issues summary judgment. So he files a petition to the Supreme Court. And I mean he's talking nWo conspiracy to overthrow the world in his petition. I mean, I noticed it was withdrawn just a little bit later. Let me find the link. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead and grab that. But my point is that he clearly is

doing stuff that he's already been directed not to do. I you know, remember the fact that he's got that one million, seven thousand dollars. The reason why he's got the seven thousand dollars he was in contempt. He was told not to share certain evidence beyond the people that need to see it. And he goes, well, I have a video expert, and they went, yeah, that's precisely the kind of crap we told you not to do.

Oh yeah see. And that's that's something that he brought out in his petition to the Supreme Court, that there was a second Leonard poster that came to court and testified against him. Yeah, okay, great, Yeah, I've got the link here. I'll put it in the room the second Oswald

excuse me, Posner, right, okay, sure, why not? Anyways, let's get to this other caller, because I got another one and it looks like it's a it's anonymous, but I got an area code that says three to five to two, So I got the area code for you, but I don't know who you are. Welcome to the show and speak your mind now. It's Chris. It's been about a month since we talked last. But Chris, how you doing, Chris. I'm glad to hear from you. I'm glad to hear from anybody that might have a new voice on

here for sure, and we've heard from you a few times. I'd encourage anybody who's listening right now live if you're hearing us again on the seventh day, right it is the seventh day, Yeah, the seventh day of June twenty twenty four, and you're hearing us about ten minutes to nine pm Eastern. We're live. Otherwise it's a recorded podcast. Join us at the call in number if you don't mind. Sorry, I was kind of choking there

for a sec. Anyways, three one nine, five two seven, five zero one six three one nine, five two seven five zero one six is the number to call and get on the line like Jimmy James and Christad Are you laughing at me? Or are you laughing at Fetcher's? Oh no, I'm sorry, I forgot I was on here. I just looked at this. Fenzer filed this petition with the Supreme Court on the twenty seventh day of February. Okay, he filed his petition to withdraw on the sixth of March.

So he even make it a week. Oh please, okay, you say, but here we go again. He filed a petition just to say he filed a petition, right. And the funny thing is he's still continuing on with his I don't know who listens to him, but he's still got his podcasts out there. I don't think he gets invited on so many programs because people are afraid they might get sued or have you know one of their broadcasts hauled into court. Uh you know they're gonna they're gonna turn around and

uh you know they're gonna subpoena my YouTube channel. H please, you know. But anyway, Fetzer completely and also Jones's lawyers both neither one of them if Fetzer didn't have a lawyer, but anyway, he kept trying to bring in a lawyer that they disallowed. You. He did eventually end up with

a lawyer. Well, okay, eventually the last couple hearings. But but that's the funny thing, right, is that during most of the process, when somebody could have offered some sort of resistance, these guys didn't follow directions, didn't make their filings on time, kept trying to enter things into evidence that they were told were not going to be accepted by the court, and did basically, like I said, everything that if you tried to do it

in a traffic ticket case, they would throw you the hell out of there and tell you, look, o pay your ticket, get out of my face. I think part of that, though, is they honestly thought that they had first amendments that would protect him on this. No matter what, you will tell that to lord judge in the black robe anytime you go into a courtroom because he don't want to hear it. I'm telling you now, I got dressed down by a judge when I wasn't even involved in the hearing.

I happened to be in the audience one time, you know, waiting as somebody that I was concerned with had a hearing before that judge during that session, and this guy got aggravated because of the way I was sitting and demanded that I stand up and explain why I was like slouching in his courtroom because my back was hurting me. And I'm like, uh okay, Like I was totally stunned, and a guy threatened to throw me into a cell.

I wasn't even involved in the case. These guys, they run their courtroom again as somebody who was related to me in some way was involved in a case. But they not only threatened to throw me, like you know, to basically put me in jail for contempt for twenty four hours, but also rule against the person in front of him based on the fact that I was sitting in a funny position in the audience in a courtroom. This is

the way things. I know. These other guys who you know, never have to show up for hearings and have never dealt with the court system before or never have been under scrutiny, don't understand this. But once you walk in there, lord judge, is in charge of everything that occurs there. The guy in the black robe runs it okay, and they do what they want. It doesn't matter what your constitution says. It doesn't matter what you

think you're entitled to. The judge is the judge. And by the way, it's actually the word judge in some languages is interchangeable with the word god. If you think I'm small, g but still check it out and see if I'm lying anyways, Chris, I'm sorry I'm sitting here talking about this stuff, but I find it so aggravating when people are stunned by the way the courts behave. Oh don't you know the courts are corrupt? Chuck? Yes, I do, and I know that these I know these the these

tyrants in the black robe run their fiefdom. And it happens to be that little room that you end up in because you were unfortunate enough to get caught up in the system. And if you think it's bad during these uh, you know, civil hearings, try the uncivil hearings or excuse me, criminal court hearings. Uh. I've received hostility from the prosecuting attorney interviewing me as a juror panel. Oh yeah, I'm an well, because that's an officer of the court, Chris. But that's that's an office. I say,

that's an officer of the court, Chris. That guy is entitled because of the power, you know, given to the guy in the black robe or woman. Sometimes either way, the one in the black robe is running it. And that person giving you trouble there when they were trying to put you on a jury. Well, he's an officer of the court or she is an officer of the court, doesn't matter. And by the way, I'm not counting anything other than here she because I'm not politically correct. But the

point is, that's the way it rolls. Sorry, you're supposed to change your personality. Oh well, you know, but anyway, here it is. I cannot believe that people are stunned by the idea that once you step into the star chamber, that's your ass. Okay, they run and control it. You answer to them. You don't answer properly, they will punish you every which way they can. And that's the way it rolls. And I had to learn this. Jeez. When was the first time I was

before a judge really in an open court. I was probably about eleven years old and no mercy for the child either. Okay, believe me, I probably deserve to be in court at eleven. I probably deserved to be in court. Many times I didn't go to court, but not the point today. I'm saying that even when I went in for minor things, even when I was the victim in a case, if I did something that aggravated somebody in that black robe, oh boy, did I learn real quick you better

follow directions. And uh. I even had a judge turn around and get really angry, uh and start to want to punish me. Uh, until the the lawyer that was there as an officer of the court had to point out to the guy that I was incapable, like he thought I was being resistant to something because he held something up and I did not, do you see this? And I said no, uh and and he was like,

you're you're basically thinking I was being a smart ass. And uh. The the the attorney prosecuting me had to point out that, uh, you're, judge, this kid is like visually impaired. He just answered you, honestly, he does not see what you're trying to show him. Okay, Like you know, I I of judge get mad at me one time. We used to when I was with the Environmental Age, So we used to do jurseyics on damn inspections. And this judge owned property up in the mountains.

He had a getaway house up there at a beautiful place. But he also had a huge pond, well lake really on his property. And Chris, well, again, we'll get back to you real quick. By the way, We'll let BP tell his story and then I promise I'll shut up and give you the floor. Sorry, go ahead, be pete. So he had this gale. Yeah, yeah, we had to go do our annual inspections on it because there was a state road down below it, so it

was a high hazard. Dam if the thing blew out and someone who's going down a road, he could kill him with a breachway going down through there. So I sent the letter, but I sent it to mister so and so I didn't put the title honorable because the guy is a judge. And I sent the letter out to him saying, we've inspected you know you're damn you've got some deficiencies here here in the year, We'll give you a year to get them all straightened. Out. No, it's just a tip cool

inspection letter that we send out every year. Nothing big, no fine, no, nothing like that. Well I get about two weeks later, I get a phone call from this guy and he starts chewing my butt. You sent this to mister so and so, so and so I am referred to as honorable and he starts going into this. I said, sir, let me let me cut you off there just for a second. He goes what I said, Well, you know everything that we do is a matter of

public record. Would you want one of these Winston the Salem Journal reporters nosing through our enforcement logs and everything and deficiency logs to find that a judge has a dam that needs to be fixed because it's a high hazard. And there was dead silence on the phone. He comes back. He says, I, thank you for your inspection letter. Have a good day. Click yeah, and clunk it up because you was seved my butt for a good twenty

minutes. How I was disrespectful and not honoring his position as a judge. And I'm sitting here thinking, dude, you know you're lucky we're not out in the parking discussing this shit because i'd make you look bad. But he once he realized that he was being an ass, he just hung up the phone. Yeah, well from him again, a little bit of common sense there all of a sudden, g you know what if I put the honor and by the way, the honorable doesn't necessarily mean specifically a judge either.

I've heard of this where somebody said, you're supposed to note the fact that I am a judge. I earned that, you know, or whatever, And it's amazing to me. I mean, it's it's almost like the attitude of when you get somebody's military rank wrong. Okay, if you're not in the military, what the hell do I know the difference between lieutenant and you know who cares? I don't know. I'm not going to call you lieutenant.

You're not part of my hierarchy. Okay, sorry, I know you earned your rank or whatever, but dude, you know, like, no, I'm not going to remember that. As a matter of fact, the fact that I'm saying mister is clearly a sign of respect. So see, that's the problem. In the military. You got warrant officers and they're called misters, and no noboddy was to be associated be called mister. You know you're in there the sergeants call you by your last name. You know,

well, I have to tell first sergeant. One time he hollered out at me. Ry. He hollers my name and go walking over. I said, sir, you know or I said first sergeant. I said, no offense, but you can call me by my first name Private. He just started laughing. He goes, yeah, I guess that respect stuffs supposed to go both ways in it in that interesting but yeah, and you earned that too, even if it's PFC Private first class, right, that is all

higher rank than the regular privates above man. But I'm just saying I'm just all right anyway, put all that aside. I just I find it funny. But you know, even when you're a former mayor, if you were formerly the head of you know, something like that, Uh, they should

technically refer to you as the honorable ever after. You know, even in the case of somebody he was appointed attorney general, technically speaking by title, you can pretty much call them general for the rest of their life even though

they were the attorney general. All right, But nonetheless, and people getting bent out of shape about this, I mean, it's all about entitlement and title and privilege and man and yeah, some of these people will do this outside of the courtroom even but watch, I mean, keep your head low when they start swinging in their own house, because boy, they'll tell you this is you know, I not only I am the court, you know. I know I've heard that phrase before. I am the court, right,

Yeah, you are the court. And in fact, in documents you'll see the court said this, the court did this, and it's the judge you did it. Yeah, so they are the court. They are the judge. And you know what, if there ain't no jury there, then the jury don't count. So here you go judge, jury and possibly executioner,

especially if that guy gets a hold of you later. I've seen some of these guys take on grudges with people if you do embarrass them, which is too funny because you made an excellent, you know, common sense sort of point to that guy. Anyway, enough out of us, Chris. I know I kept you holding there for a minute, but I had to let be Pete tell his story. And I'm sorry. I find it frustrating that people don't understand that, you know, most of us common folk,

we end up in a courtroom. Uh, you know, you just try and get out of there with your with your three piece sets still intact. If you're a guy like me, I mean, that's all you want is can I get out of here with as minimal damage and expense as possible? And can I try to comport myself in such a way that I won't you know, draw any attention to myself or incur the wrath of you know, the lord of the court. For God's sake. Anyways, I've been there

personally myself too many times that i'd like to list. Okay, yes, I I understand where you're coming from. I mean it, seriously, Chris, even with a traffic ticket, right, I mean, just you know, just give me a little bit of like, I don't know, what do we call that when you agree with somebody and you say to them,

yeah, yeah, I understand. What is that called? Anyway, whatever it is, See if you can relate to this, if you go in there in a courtroom and you even try and tell them, look, I have a witness I want to present, and if they don't want to hear from that witness, or they don't care, or they're like yes, so what that's your brother in law. Whatever reason they decide not to accept your witness. When you go in there and try and defend yourself again, it

could be a traffic violation. Look, I got somebody right here says there's no way that I did this, even though the cop said I did it. I'm telling you, if a judge don't want to hear it, it will not get heard. And God help you if you try and bring in a photograph or anything else. I mean, I understand the rules of evidence. To enter something and evidence it needs to be, you know, verifiable

and accepted by the court. But if it ain't, it ain't. And by the way, they'll accept you speaking or not speaking, or giving them paper or not giving them paper, and everything else. They are in control of every step of it. And I say again, if you're there for shoplifting, if you're for uh, you know, if you're there for trespassing, you know, the very simple things that happen sometimes, you know, just in the course of somebody trying to I don't know, live, uh,

traffic violation, parking ticket, could be anything. These guys are the lords of their domain, and as far as they're concerned, the domain is their court, so anyway, do not offend I get it. Let me say this. I mean you could go to court. I mean, and

you know, judges are humans just like the rest of us. So you know, if they were fighting with their spouse the night before, if uh, you know, you caught them on are you just caught them in a bad mood for a second in the morning, you know, or the previous person that you know. I mean, you know how it works when you go to court. I'm here. They decide whichever direction the around the alphabet

to call each person up to defend themselves for each specific case. Right, I mean, someone can piss off the judge and you know he someone pisses off their judge, Well, then now now they're in event, they could be in a bad mood if they don't know how to you know, be professional in the profession. Oh yeah, it's really all no I saw. Yeah, yes, it's all located by the judge and you know not all that comes down to the legal analysis of the case by case situation. Right,

I was sitting in the municipal court. I was sitting in the municipal court in Neptune City, which is approximately or at least used to be one square mile of a town next to the town of Neptune, New Jersey. Okay, Neptune City is not Neptune anyway. They have their own separate court, they have their own separate police, all that stuff. You know, They're their own entity all right. Anyway, although they share a zip code

for some reason. Anyhow, Neptune City they're there. I mean, I mean, you know, the the uh what do they call that, the uh, oh my god, the municipal court. Okay, And so this is not a major judge of any kind. Anyhow, I saw this guy rip into a couple of people over some simple dumb stuff. I mean, I was there because I had been caught, uh, you know, drinking and I was not of drinking age, so that's why I was there. And uh, I was there with another guy who was eighteen, which technically

you know, he's an adult, but he's not twenty one. So this is what I was there for. Anyways, he was ripping into people for you know, domestic disturbances, uh, noise, ordnance violations, brutal brutal stuff. I mean, like lecturing people about how they you know, don't know how to behave in adults. Say, society and stuff like this. Anyways, I'm leaving the court and I'm thinking to myself, damn, that's you know, kind of rough. I mean, this is all rough.

I mean, I just took my fine, pleaded guilty, pleaded guilty, and then just gently offered a piece of paper to that judge that I had already been charged in another court, in the county court, with the same offense, but to a separate charge. I pleaded guilty and then said these other charges were actually already handled in the county court. And I don't know if you want to just you know, add on to that or whatever.

But anyways, I'm walking out, and one of the lawyers who was there before me and stayed there after me, says to the guy I was with, who was representing my interests because I was not of age to represent my own interests in a court. And the lawyer representing the guy I told you about that I was there with it was eighteen. I was a little younger

than eighteen. The thing is, it was hilarious because he turns around and says, you know what the problem is, right, and like we all stopped and looked at him in the hallway on our way out, he goes, Yeah, this guy just lost a lot of money in the stock market this morning. That's what the problem is in there. Okay. So I don't know how he knew that. I don't know whose lawyer he was, I don't know anything else about it. But apparently this guy was there all

day representing more than one client. Okay, And yeah, municipal court, this guy lost money in the stock market. That's why you're all getting yelled at, and you know, publicly on the record, you're being lectured by somebody about how to behave as an adult, even though me and the other guy weren't. You know, well, the other guy was an adult, but I wasn't even an adult. I didn't get the you're not an adult lecture. Adults did. People in their twenties, thirties, forties got the

lecture and I did not. Anyway, just wanted to illustrate that. But Chris, please continue, I mean, anything else you want to offer, or do you want to talk about this some more, It's all up to you. I'll shut up now. I did actually want to tie to the Parkland if we can, If we can go back to May of twenty twenty two. There was another school shooting that took place, and that was Uvalde, okay, and that was one that they just recently settled out. It

was settled out in the court system. You know. The city was sued all right, but there were a total of three hundred and seventy six officers that responded to the shooting. Okay, there were nineteen nineteen people killed. They're not shooting. The shooter was literally allowed, you know, despite the heavy police presence, right, okay, the shooter was allowed to just do

his thing for seventy seven minutes. I mean, this is a I mean, you can look this article up. I mean, you know, the CNN article coming to dam how much we can trust that at this stand point, but whatever, we can just believe that the facts are fact. Hopefully they are. But just given all those facts, well plenty plenty of information, the city was sued for two million dollars for the you know, right, that was paid up family. Two million dollars that was paid out to

the family. There was just shut I mean once again, three hundred and seventy six law enforcements officers responded to that that, uh, that's shooting and just sat idly by for seventy seventy minutes. I will repeat that just so

you know. No one barged in, no one. You know I meant this, but all those nineteen kids lives worth their their lives were worth nineteen million dollars between or not sorry, two million dollars between Jesus Christ something I figure though, sorry, sorry, but it was Yeah, well in fairness, Yeah, okay, I've got to pulled up this bear was thing for once. And you know that this is actually pertinent to the point that I

was trying to make in terms of the Jones. Sure, sure, if you need a minute, yeah good, I won't I promise you, no, no problem. Do you want to continue now or you want to wait a minute and I'll just you know, because I don't want dead air, so I'll just give him give me one minute, if you would, if you wouldn't money, yeah, no problem, take a minute and interrupt me

when you're ready. It's an interesting question, but to me, it's a big difference between Ubaldi and the Alex Jones situation because on the one hand, you're talking about police on the ground, and there is the idea of trying to react to a circumstance and you know, were they right, were they wrong? Did they do? You know? That is a completely separate question

from in the case. The only thing that connects him is we're talking about school shootings, because otherwise the Alex Jones action is a about how he encouraged others and caused harm to people after the fact, not during a shooting, not because of poor reaction. Nobody in the world would blame Alex Jones for a school shooting that I know of, uh, because he never encouraged anybody to do that. That's but two million dollars to the city was seen for

Yeah, for the inaccurate response of nearly four hundred officers. I mean, I'm we can just go ahead and round it up to four hundred. That's pretty well. But that's at worst, that's a poor decision. If you want to go with the idea that the cops did the wrong thing, that's a poor decision by police in an active circumstance, which to me is an entirely different world. Who's more responsible for loss of life? Would it be

the law enforcement officers or fucking out Stone a loss of life? And if you looked to the details of Parkland, right, I'm sorry, but I mean, if you really get into the details, the thick of it, Yeah, I mean there's a lot of a lot of questions to be raised about the you know, what really happened. I mean I could go into further. It tells feel me to sound even more crazy. No, no, no, I don't want you to sound crazy. I'm just trying to

answer something here. Is that Look, if you want to boil it down to who's responsible for a loss of life, obviously the police had the ability to be responsible for a loss of life in the shooting circumstance. Alex Jones doesn't. So it's a completely different thing. It is about the malicious nature of what he does afterwards, and that is intentional as opposed to Look, I went to work one day and the shooting situation came up and we made

some bad choices here that wound up with people losing their lives. To me, that's a completely different animal one from the other. I know what you're saying is that it almost seems like the value of you know, more than a dozen kids over here is two million dollars, and the value of this thing Alex Jones does is a billion dollars. But it's not about a dollars to lives. It doesn't boil down like that. It's just a quick part

of the people. Can I I'll shut up after this. Good? You understand, like part of people getting paid out from my lawsuit were actually FBI agents that were investigated a lawsuits. Oh, they claimed that they received you know, they were you know, they were damaged you know, by the by the their investigation, you know, and by Alic Jones claiming that it was a fallse flag. Oh, part of this was FBI. No,

I wasn't aware that there were FBI agents involved in that. No. But the point again is that to me, this is just what I'm saying my opinion here. And I hate to do it, but you kind of asked, you're you're comparing these two things, and to me, you can't because they're very, very different circumstances. Because on the one hand, like I said, said, there is you know, guys trying to do their job.

Now if you want to put the worst thing on them, and it almost sounds like and I know this is going to sound crazy coming out of my mouth because I'm never the guy to defend cops. But here's the thing. You give a guy a badge and a gun, and let's assume that he's not a scumbag who just likes to beat people up and steal off of drug dealers and get paid off to turn their head. If that's not that guy, and let's just assume for argument's sake, he goes to work,

and a bunch of them go to work trying to do their job. A circumstance is foisted upon them by day to day life, which is this school shooting. This isn't something that they actively decided to involve themselves in. This is what came up in their professional lives. And let me throw this in there. That's settlement, that two million dollars settlement that was nineteen families sued

the city of So the two million is from the city. They're also suing ninety two officers with the Texas Department of Public Safety, the school district, and individual employees. And you may also see them go after each individual because there were officers from different jurisdictions. There were state police, there was local police, there were so they're also going after each one of those agencies as well. So this thing could really snowball and become a lot more than two

million. Yeah, so what you're telling me is this is just a small well different actions. Sorry, I'm not trying to talk about different directions. I mean, what's the largest pharmaceutic lawsuits that ever occurred in the human history? Have a three point two billion dollars and I think it was glasshow Smith Kline okay, was the one responsor of that, and who the hell knows? You know what the official death co was from the amount of people that

they killed off by not properly testing products. Blah blah blah. But I mean, is that really But I mean, if we can just there's a certain level we got to compare apples, you know, apples apples, the apples oranges, however you want to paraphrase it. But pleas in my opinion, you know what I mean, there's no I okay, I mean, yeah, I'm not listen, I'm not an Outstone fan. And honestly,

I mean, there's also another avenue you can take this conversation down. It's like, maybe Alex Jones is a he's an agent, you know, he's he could be to have ties with the CIA, massade blah blah blah. You know, whether you understand what that means. You understand what that means. But I mean there's something to be said for the fact that he's still on air. Okay, he received pretty much one of the largest private lawsuits in the history of mankind, if I if I'm not mistaken, and then

yet he's still he's still continuing his operations. He's still telling me everything that he wants to tell you and what they're going to strip away a studios okay, So I mean, can he not do what I'm doing right now, which is just talking to myself on Okay, so you know, put out rumble videos, you know, all right, well, let me know when you're done viewership, you know, is it really going to affect him that much financially? And then he can still put the same promo codes and all

this stuff. But there's something to be said. I mean, if if they really wanted them to be penniless and shirtless, you know, he would he would be in that position. But so far, you know, he

still seems to existing perfectly fine. Well that was the thing, okay, sure, So well, anyway, Chris, the whole thing started with us just reporting that they're reorganizing the bankruptcy which you know, and they're saying that, uh, you know, his lawyers and the family's lawyers are now saying all together that they're not able to do this through through the chapter eleven, and they're going to the chapter seven, okay, which will change the way

things are done. And that's that. Now. Is this one of the largest lawsuits in human history? And no, not even close financially, and especially if you just for inflation at different points. I have the Glaxo Smith Klein lawsuit in twenty twelve as the largest drug settlement that I could find quickly with a couple of searches, which was let's see, three billion dollars altogether. One billion of it was criminal, two billion civil. Anyways, that

was one of the largest ones. But a bunch of them are commensurate with

that. I mean, Pfizer has one of two point three, Johnson and Johnson at two point two, Abbott excuse me, Laboratories at one point five, Eli Lilly at one point four, you know, and then we drop off according to this one list I have in front of me, but there are more, and you know, these things range all over the place, all right, So, but it's not largest largest settlement was two hundred and sixty billion, and that was the Phillip Morse, R. J. Reynolds,

Brown and Williams and the lower Large settlement. Well, yeah, that's the Tobacco Company Combo settlement, right. So that's where the forty six states attorney generals, five US territories, and the nation's fourth largest attack just went after them. So two hundred and six billion, right, And what year was that? BP ninety eight? Okay, So in nineteen ninety eight dollars? Okay, how much are we talking about today? So nineteen ninety eight,

how much money is that? Again? Two hundred and six did you say? Yeah? Two hundred and six billion, two hundred and six billion dollars, okay. And I'm just doing a quick little you know, enter it into my search engine in today's dollars, okay, and let's just see if it gives me a rough conversion somewhere value of nineteen ninety eight dollars inflation calendar, okay. So yeah, well here's the fun part. Ninety two

point three six percent increase, okay. So what you're telling me is that settlement right there is somewhere in the neighborhood of four hundred billion dollars in today's money, but it was two hundred and six billion. Then hell of a lawsuit there. And then now can we argue that they knowingly did damage to the public? Can we? Or can we not? You gotta look at all the evidence there, some of it you'd have to agree with, probably just there's no way not to and et cetera. But look, it's not

dollars to death, okay in this Uvalde situation. I mean, one thing is that, Yeah, it's one aspect of the case versus the other people. They're gonna sue the other defendants that are gonna come up or are coming up or have come up elsewhere. You know, it's the city. And if you sue the city for two hundred billion dollars, by the way, they don't have two hundred billion dollars. So you know, there's the other

thing. What do you do now I own the city of Yuvaldi? Again, like when they sue insurance companies pay out in those cases all a lot of it. Yeah, but do they have much? But do they have two hundred billion dollars in insurance? You know, do they even have enough to pay that? Out? Right? You know, if somebody sues. It's just like those you know, they used to call it, what was it a lawsuit lawsuit immunity or litigation immunity they used to say about certain people.

It's like, yeah, I can sit and sue a guy for millions of dollars, I'm never going to collect it. You know, Look, you would never collect your two hundred billion if you sued the city of Yuvaldi for two hundred billion, I'm certain. But you know, maybe your grandchildren could collect all that eventually. I don't know, you know, if they keep paying it over time. And that's another thing they do with these settlements, by the way, where it's like, well it's this much, so

over time it'll be paid this. And they also have to put money on deposit and let it collect interest and on and on and on. But what's fascinating to me more than anything is that, no, we're not talking about

a specific dollars to deaths ratio. Again, I think it's a wholly different circumstance of like, you know, how many people are involved, how much damage could be done, how many incidents are we talking about, And I think there's a big difference between and I'm not saying you shouldn't sue cops,

not at all. But you know, there are other people out there that, by the way, argue that they should not only be given you know, complete immunity in certain circumstances, but in all circumstances, like when they get that badge immediately there's just immunity from prosecution. And if you don't believe that, you can find any bunch of people online, bunch of politicians, people of power, everybody from Donald Trump to others have kind of spoken up

on this. I mean, Trump was talking about giving full indemnity to police and things like that a few years ago, about how what we should do is make sure that they can't be brought up on any prosecutions. So you know, now, am I taking words out of context? Maybe, But in or out of context, you'll find people arguing on both sides of that issue. I promise you that you know the people that argue generally for COMPETI

community starting to see. You know, for a long time, police officers were covered on the municipal immunity or sovereign immunity right if they were if something happened in their line of work while they were doing their job. But we hear the past ten twenty years, you started to see those immunities being taken away. I mean, look at George Floyd case. I mean those individuals

were charged with murder, they had no immunity. Well, so you're starting to see changes in some courts when it comes to municipal immunity being just blanket. In certain cases, they'll go through and pick out certain aspects of the case and go he went beyond that municipal expectation. He is now Joe Q public. He's getting sued and is legal. And look, even though I am standard the guy who usually comes out and says, look, preservation of

life is the priority and should be supreme at all times. You know what, I also am not so so insane or so liberal that I don't understand that. You know, cops are generally human beings and they might want to go home too, and you gotta give them some leeway if they're doing their

job correctly, cause things are just going to go wrong too. So again I say, it's a different circumstance from somebody who's in the midst of doing their job screws it up or does something incorrectly or inaccurately or just wrong one way or another. And somebody else who takes it upon themselves to go out and involve themselves in things, that is a different circumstance, you know,

just saying. I mean, look, the guy who is working at his own little corner store is being held up by somebody who pulls a gun on him. If that guy pulls a gun out from under the counter and shoots that son of a bitch dead, gotta say it's a different circumstance from that guy just chose somebody randomly off the street and shot him number one, number two. Does that mean that that's the amount of force they should have used.

Well, all circumstances do vary. Do I say that people have the right to defend themselves, absolutely, But you have the right to defend yourself not just murder somebody that you feel threatened by automatically. So there's a lot to this and it's not always a simple answer, And that uvalde thing I gotta say. You know, you first got to give the consideration that this is not guys who went out and decided to get involved in an active shooter

situation. It was part of their job that day. Now, if they did their job incorrectly and raises to a point of criminal negligence. That's a possibility, but is it an absolute certainty. Not always. It does seem outrageous that it took that long to respond. I'm not even saying that I side with the cops or against him on this matter of fact. I think I made it a huge point not to side one way or the other. But I'm not usually the guy who defaults deciding with the cops anyway. Anyhow,

complex situation. Again, these things are very different, and I would say the cop who shows up and either tries or doesn't try to do his job is far different from what Alex Jones involved himself in one way or another, and it's going to be judged differently. And also, you know, it's always weird looking at the dollar amount applied to human life. I mean, I've seen lawsuits where people have gotten you you know, seven, eight,

ten million dollars because somebody was killed by the police. They get that from a city. I've seen other cases though, where you know, forty to fifty grand is handed to somebody to pretty much just get the lawsuit gotten rid of, and somebody died in that case too. You see small amounts of settlements end up and quite frankly, a lot of these massive lawsuits you hear about in the billions and millions and everything else against these larger corporations.

Quite often the most successful ones are what class action lawsuits where there's a whole huge list of people that you know, they even solicit come you might be

entitled to a settlement. Huge lists of people that wind up or their you know, u inheritors, their executors, their survivors, wind up with very small amounts of money and they were a human life lost in that action as well, But that was the only way they were going to see any sort of relief from the people that were involved in the death of their loved one.

How right or wrong is that in your mind? Look, I leave it open for the consideration and hopefully you and everybody else out there, uh uh not not you be pete, But I do mean that you and everybody else out there, all of them being listeners, whether you're calling or not, anyway, by all means call in, change the direction of the conversation, add to this one, whatever you want to do. If not, I'll get back around to the other callers. But before I do any of

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to happen on Friday nights. It's open forum and you can join us any of these Friday nights. Now. This week we did a couple of JFK related broadcasts. I didn't mean to pile them all together, but that's the way it went. We got an update from Jefferson Morley about the lawsuit against the Biden administration regarding the JFK Records Collection Act, which means that that'll continue

on no matter who's in the executive branch. And we got an update from doctor David Mantick, who is going to be in Dallas, but might not be at the same conference as me. I'm not sure yet. Anyway, we got those two. And who else did we hear from this week? Oh right, Larry Hancock. And we complete the series on Oswald in Mexico City this week and talked about Larry's upcoming book on Lee Harvey Oswald. Now again with that and the broadcast to Richie Allen and a couple of missed guests

this week who didn't show up when they were supposed to. This week was not supposed to be JFK dedicated, but turned out that way outside of when I went on the Richie Allen Show. Who is by the way, Jimmy James said he was an Australian guy. Just to clarify, Richie Allen broadcasts and is one of the largest non BBC broadcasters, actually the largest non BBC

talk radio guy for sure in Ireland, just to keep that straight. So he broadcasts on regular radio in Ireland and we hear him on the internet here. AnyWho it is, what it is, be pete. Anything we need to get to before I get back to the existing callers and maybe somebody dropping an announcement at the end of the show tonight. No, I mean, we're short for time, so go ahead and let's get back to our callers. You got it, you got it, But who knows what will come

up any given day. So Jimmy James, you heard a lot while you were sitting on hold anything you want to add, or would you like to bring up one other subject, drop something new before the clock runs out tonight. Well, I think Chris was correct and quite astute and his observation that these finds against Fetzer and whatever his name is, aj No, I'm not, sir. Clearly they're desperate, disparate. I don't believe in equity, but I do believe in equality, whether you're a judge and a jury,

just a normal American, a JFK researcher. Just remember, try to be where Remember the first commandment God gave to a judge and doudonomy low to cure panine. Lo behold to cure panine. See no faces, behold, see no faces. This is why, Lady Justice, where's the blindfold? We gotta be fair. I mean, my god, this country's going to fall apart with these political parties and everyone fighting internally. It's got to end eventually, one way or another. It's going to I hope people can start being

fair with each other. Well, you know, Jimmy, I object to one thing you said only, and that is that you know you said you don't believe in equity, but you do believe in equality. Or was it the other way around. My problem is this, I think every living breathing person, you know, every living breathing man or woman, is supposed to be equal under the law. Now, you know, just like an animal farm. I think some animals are more equal than others. And that's the

problem here, right. The idea of privilege, and the idea of some people being immune when they should not be and others being unfairly punished is a constant theme, and I think you can agree. You like the cops going into the fire. I mean, yes, no one above the law and no one below the laws a nice bumper sticker, but it's not reality, unfortunately, because we ask some people to do things that are far more dangerous

or other circumstances. So, yes, some people, indeed, there is no not everyone is treated equally under the law, nor should they be. Should our troops be prosecuted for things that we send them to do overseas? Of course not so. The law is very, very very complicated, unduly so in my opinion. I'm sorry, Chuck, I didn't mean to even

interrupt you. Sorry, No, no problem at all, Jimmy, But you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna just put you on hold, because it is again one of those perfect things where almost everybody can agree that there should be fair treatment. And fair treatment does have a little something to do with nobody being above the law and nobody being beneath it. The problem is that people have different ideas about exactly where it is you qualify to not be beneath

the law. And I'll tell you something else. It's really funny, really

quick before I go back to Chris. Something that has bothered me this week, and I didn't get to discuss it on the show, and I'm not going to do the read I was going to do or any of that, but just something that has been bothering me all week because of this circumstance where, you know, there was a guy that was beaten to death not too far from where I live, and I was watching the way people were handling that news and how they were commenting on it, and it was very typical

to the biggest problem that I see philosophically, intellectually, spiritually among us in the Western world, here among us in what we used to call America, and that is that at certain points, people kind of take an attitude that certain people no longer have the right to breathe because of some of their actions. They're they're they're expendable, they are disposable, they are they don't count. It doesn't matter. So you know, well, I tell you a

guy got beaten to death. You might say, well, that's a terrible criminal thing. But all of a sudden, it gets a little excusable, it gets a little acceptable if that guy wasn't a stellar citizen according to other people's standards. Not saying that the guy was a criminal, but let's just say he used some drugs. Let's just say he lived on the street. Let's just say he had a mental illness. I don't know, all of a sudden, some people seem to have this idea that, well, it's

actually okay to abuse or murder people like that because they're damaged. They're not upstanding citizens like me, So it's okay. It's not as big a deal. It's sort of like a shoplifting thing. If you beat a homeless guy or a mental patient or a drug addict to death, I mean, really, you might have actually done society of favor. And I'm watching this unfold and people grown people deciding that they're passing judgment on exactly what the value of

somebody's life was when they were beaten death in the street. Bothers me a lot. Anyway, I leave it at that, and I'll get back to Chris now and if anybody else wants to join in, our anonymous caller as apparently decided they're not going to do their announcement tonight for a personal reason, but does tell me they will appear tomorrow or excuse me, next week, next week on the show. So Chris back to you. We've got a little more than ten minutes left. So anything you want to throw on the

table, go for it. Well I'll start with I'm gonna throw a little kudos to Jimmy James appreciate it. I mean, if I can offer any type of final words, it's going to be stuck. Couponant protests or proteins are not protests. Well, stuck up on that tips you can find some good sour stuff, but protein wise, stuck a funny beef and you're chicken because the powers that be are going after it with the bird flu crap. Oh yeah, I think that we're getting we're getting ready to see a real

war being waste on you know, healthy foods. Make sure everybody's talking up on stuff if they can as a financial thing, phrase it, package it approperly. Just stuck up because I think we're coming. We're getting some here territory, and that's like what we're seeing stay is conveniently mimicking what we saw

in COVID. You know, I'm in damn are tot. The thing that bothers me about this, Chris, is that, you know what bothers me about this, Chris, is that we're getting squeezed on the price right now, and there's going to be a justification to make it completely unaffordable for people to eat real food very very shortly here. I mean you can see it coming like a train running down the tracks. And I talked about this, I think last week in a couple of places, not on my show,

I mean maybe on my show, but on another show. I went on and I said, you know what, what's bothering me. What's really, you know, giving me trouble on a daily basis is the inability to feed my family with the resources I have. And I'm thinking, and I'm hearing from a lot of people that we're all having more and more trouble doing that

and that is a problem. And it is exactly the kind of thing that if we have, you know, some other new disease issue entered into the matrix, it's going to jack up the price, make things even more rare, make things more problematic. I say, if you can find a way to feed your family and inform others about how to do it, and it's real food, get it out there, share it, do it. I said before, work with you know people locally if you can do your best,

because I think we all need to batten down the hatches. So I think it's great advice. Well, let me say this one last thing. Sure, I really appreciate you giving me the platform to just have this discussion, and I mean I love being part of it. So just you know, keep it up. You did an awesome job. Check. I don't no one tells you that, but you did a great job. Let's just keep it up, my friend. Well, thank you, Chris, Thank

you Chris. And it wouldn't be possible without support and participation from you guys out there, and I do appreciate every last little bit of it. Again, you know, I'll talk more about the Lanswer thing as we approach Lancer, but you know. In the meantime, Yeah, we do this with your support and your participation. You the listener. Whether you decide to call in or not, doesn't matter. But I do appreciate more and more calls. I wish there were more. I wish there were more so I could

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I'm seeing some signs that maybe you don't. But anyway, I'm also seeing signs that everybody's struggling because people are dropping off of memberships Patreon, nobody's making donations. You know, I realize it's a tough time for everybody. So if you want to keep this going, I'll tell you two things. One thing is, if you like the Friday night open mic and the open platform by all means, encourage it, participate in it, and I will expand

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does work usually. I mean, unless you have a giant war chest and people want to deliver bars of gold to you in a box so that you can do their bidding, which there are people that have that sort of delivery service. But anyway, we already had discussions tonight about allegations about people and things like that, but we'll leave it alone. It is what it is. But if you don't like what's being fed to you buy the giant corporate

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food, you need to find solutions for it. And one of those solutions is to support the independent, support the local farmers, support your local businesses, support your neighbors, support each other as best you can take care of one another, because if you're waiting for the government or some savior to show up, doesn't matter if it's Orange Jesus or if it's some cult leader or if it's you know, the great libuu bleeding hearts that are out there that

want to help everybody. If you're waiting for everybody else to help you, it's not going to happen. So the change you want to see be the effect that you want to make. Affect others and speak out, reach out and do what you can. And if we don't support each other, trust me, nobody is going to just randomly show up to do it for us. We need to take action if we want to make action occur. That simple anyway, be Pete. I give you the final couple of minutes here

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okay, because we're all in this together, all right now. I can't do that for everybody, but I'm gonna do that for people that actually care and are still interested. And you know, I can't afford to do it for everybody, because if nobody supports me, we're gonna be gone.

It's not simple. This does cost money to do. And uh, you know what, there's a lot of guys out there receiving huge donations constantly from people that don't necessarily need it, that are doing okay, that already have huge sponsorships and everything else, and for some reason, people are supporting them. I mean, look, I'll take a hint. If nobody wants to support it, maybe I gotta find something else to do with my time. I get it. But in the meantime, and at least all the way

up to the end of the year. This year, we're going to do this and again I'm at least trying to survive to November so that we can, you know, still have an active platform and everything. And I go to Dallas, which by the way, I can't afford to do if it wasn't for the support of somebody else willing to put a bill and somebody else willing to fit another bill. Guess what, I'm not able to go.

So you know, it's not like I have any spare change here. Every single donation counts, and whether it's to pay for a phone or streaming service, whatever, these things that we need to maintain in order to keep doing this. That's what it is. So hopefully you guys got something out of this show, and I hope you enjoy. Coming up next, Aaron Franz will be Live with the Age of Transitions, followed by Uncle the Podcast. So with that, I want to thank b Pete for putting up with me

all the time. Now, this has been a couple of years where we barely miss shows ever doing this Friday night thing, and he actually started on what Wednesdays or something like that. Anyway, either way, we're trying to keep this platform open for stuff that is not typical, that is not like the other call in shows, that is not like the stuff you get on your regular radio, because look, you want that. There's plenty of them

out there, plenty of options for you. This is supposed to be something completely different, and you, with your participation by calling in, by commenting, by sending messages, by rating the podcast, all of that stuff, and also making a small donation here or there, or signing up for membership, etc. Etc. All of those things tell us and show us and make it possible for something different to be out here. So you want it, you make it happen or don't. It's up to you. And unfortunately

that's the way a lot of things are in life. So I say again, try to take care of one another as best you can. All your charity should begin at home. What if we don't support each other. I'm telling you right now there is no savior about to come and do it for us. We have to do this for each other. We are conspiratorial animals by nature, and we need to breathe together so that we don't suffocate a part. I am merely o'chelly. All of you are indeed the effect.

Good night, well, important information about the November in Dallas Lancer conference coming up. Just to let you know. Virtual tickets are now available for in person and for the online both or one or the other if you like. There's also a student price of thirty nine ninety nine, but you must show proof of being a student if you attend. Tickets are on sale right now online at assassinationconference dot com. The date is November twenty second to the twenty

fourth of twenty twenty four at the Hotel Dallas Marriotte Downtown. Room prices start at one hundred and sixty nine dollars per night. Book a room at the Marriotte. There's reservations if you dial one eight hundred two two eight nine two nine oh or two one four nine seven three nine thousand and mentioned the November in Dallas conference. Group rate One other special thing for listeners of the O'Kelly effect if you use code Ocelle ten for ten percent off your ticket online.

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