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the listener. What is the date? It is my daughter's birthday, June fourteenth, okay, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, this the O'Kelly effect. Yes, indeed, and it's a Friar's day. And that means we have the open mic, and I have my co host BPTE with me and hopefully you three one nine five two seven five zero one six three one nine five two seven five zero one six that's
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call us three one nine five two seven five zero one six. That's the way it is. And like I said, I'll recap a few things and give you a couple of health updates because we have some ailing people in the JFK research community, you know, sadly, and I'm not going to go into any great details here, but uh, Larry Hancock will be unavailable for a little while. He is going for surgery that he needs and his health has not been good lately, and I wasn't sharing that for a but now
he's going to be out of circulation for a little while. And we do absolutely hope for a speedy and solid recovery for Larry Hancock, who has been one of the longest running people to constantly appear on the Ocelli effect over the years. And I'm extremely proud of that and happy with that and happy to call Larry a friend. And I'm actually very concerned for his well being, so you know, you pray you got well wishes to offer, they should
go to Larry Hancock. Also, David Talbot apparently is in some deep trouble according to Jefferson morally and according to his GoFundMe, which is out there, and he's stating that he's lost his home and of course he had a stroke not too long ago. And I don't know what's going on with David Talbot. I thought he was one of those guys that was doing super well because he was a highly paid published author. But not going to comment on David
Talbot, just informing you of the circumstance. And there are others that are ailing out there, names you might know and names you might not know. And it's kind of interesting that they're all ailing at the same time. Some of them are a bit older and some of them not as old as you
would think somebody would be when they're ailing. Anyway, Happy birthday to my daughter and maybe we'll get into who else's birthday it is today and all of that good stuff later in the show, along with lots and lots of headlines, stupid thoughts, and other possibilities. On the Friday Night open Mic. So if you don't bother to call in, I will find stuff to talk to be Pete about and we'll do that all the way up to ten pm.
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good, Chuck, just trying to catch up. It's been another busy week and they tell you summertime gets going and you forget how busy you were the summer before. When it comes to construction and what everybody starts jumping on here. It's been kind of a kind of a chi well well, well yeah, it's been a Chinese fire drill, Tom, I just said, no other way to describe it, Chinese fire drill. You know, it's probably not PC to use that term anymore, but that used to be a thing
that we saw. Maybe you could describe it for the youngus there. I used to see this occasionally on the road in New Jersey and still have no explanation for why it would happen except I think that people, you know, in an age before social media, would just do crap to draw attention to themselves. But if you saw people like all jump out of their car at a red light, run around in a circle, jump back in their car before the light turned green, and then drive away, we would call that
a Chinese fire drill. But there's other definitions. Go ahead, Pete, Well yeah, you got it right there. I mean, that's that's the history that I know of it, because when I was young, we say the same thing. Okay, I don't know. I think it comes years ago when in China when you know, they actually had fires and the way their volunteer fire system was everybody had a job and if one person was out of place, the whole thing went to pieces. So you know, you
think about the people at the stop light. If one person isn't in the right place right time, they get left. Yeah, So it's you know, it just throws back on I guess some old footage somebody saw or somebody witnessed a fire in China where the truck pulls up the guys start, you know, cause back then it was bucket brigades, so you know, somebody's not in the right place, the buckets stopped, you know, moving.
It's it's when you think about it, I just think, Heystone cops, I guess remember the old Shasta root beer commercial where the cop walks up to the guy on the street, buys the root beer, and he sneezes and it blows the foam off the top and the other cops face and the next thing you know, you've got a whole city wide brawl of people blowing root beer foam in each other's face. Don't tell me you haven't seen this one. I have to honestly say that I have not. I'll have to find
it. Let's fucking find it. I'm sorry. That may be one of those things that you know, we do have a minor age gap between us. That might be one of those things that fell in that gap because I only know Shasta as like being the great diet cola drink for like a minute, and they put skinny women on TV that you know, I drink Shasta, and I would see it at discount barbecues and field days in poor neighborhoods in the early eighties, late seventies, And that's what I know Shasta from.
I don't know this Keystone Cops commercial. I mean, I know the general trope about the Keystone Cops, which comes from an old silent movie where these cops are running around and not able to capture anybody, but they're doing a lot of running around. And that's what I think. We can see that in the modern era. But unfortunately everything has sound all the time. And I did say, yes, unfortunately, a lot of weird stuff going
on out there. You know. I look at JP's leads on the rundown and you know the first thing, a mysterious hole on Mars may be a gateway to ancient life and the future of humanity. Now you would think that is coming from some crazy, crazy website that that headline comes from. No, friends, this is on Popular Mechanics dot com. Okay, when you open up your rundown and it looks like that, and when you look at the upcoming presidential debate, get ready for it because CNN's going to broadcast it.
Lived but they're not gonna have an audience. I don't know. It almost seems like somebody how did they talk Trump into doing that no audience. I really want to know what the negotiation with Trump was like over that. I mean, what did they have to give him to have him show up for something where he's only going to be looking at Biden? Wow? I mean, that's that's weird. Anyway, maybe we'll talk about that some more, and some more headlines from the rundowns, some other crazy crap that's actually
happening out there. I got a few other things that I might read to you. Also, I'm editing the book, which now has a new name, sam I too. Lett and I are working on that, but that's been a slow, painful process for me. Oh right, and my issues this week, so between the fact that I had guess that we're going to be able to make it and a few other things that happened to me personally,
I mean, I'll just be blunt. I had a bit of a nasty series of migraine headaches and then a minor seizure at the beginning of the week, so I definitely canceled Tuesday. Wednesday got canceled for me, and Thursday I was still just trying to recover from it and that was that. So I was able to pull myself together for tonight. I considered not doing tonight's show, but I feel up to it, so I'm doing it.
So I didn't feel well this week. I was not in good shape, and quite frankly, I had to try and take care of some stuff at the house at the same time. It's not like I was just sitting around here saying what was me? I got other things to do besides the radio. I know other people have written to me recently and said, hey, I work a job, you know, and I'm like, look, I get that. I dedicate my life to this, but there is other things
that go on too. I've got a son who's going to turn ten this month, and trying to, you know, take care of him, and the missus and six little doggies. I got a handsful sometimes, so between Matt and and just really generally battling migraines and a seizure and a few other things. I got nothing done this week as far as broadcasts. Took care of a couple of things that are supposed to pay me by invoice at some
point. But I mean I just barely scraped through the week. Also, anybody who has my cell phone number that's been cut off, certain bills have bounced, and I've had to make choices about expenses. So the cell phone is cut at the moment, and we've been able to keep the phone lines
here. But look, I got to make decisions, all right, And sometimes if there's just enough money to do one thing or the other, I might choose to feed the three of us and the dogs as opposed to, you know, paying for something that I don't take I quite absolutely need as a necessity at the moment. So I don't have a cell phone anymore. So those are you guys that had a cell phone number. No good. But you can still get in contact with me through email and other stuff.
You know, the text messages by the way, that was connected to my cell phone, those are gone to but you know Twitter and Facebook and the emails and all that standard ways that all still counts and is all still running. But yeah, I don't have a cell phone anymore. And yeah I had a bad week health wise. So that's what went on all this week. But let's get to what went on in the rest of the world.
Right, we could talk about what's happening in Cuba, BPTE. I mean, you told me you really hadn't paid much attention to news, But you did pay attention to that a little bit, didn't you. Yeah, it's my understanding. There's a group of shit Russian ships and it also includes a submarine that took a you know, a pleasure cruise to Cuba. A pleasure
cruise. Okay, Well, my understanding is they're setting up to do some sort of maneuvers there, right, and the US and Russian military assets are encouraging the media to cover the fact that they have this stuff in the Caribbean. Matter of fact, Russian military people were saying, go ahead, film
things with your phone, go ahead and take a look. And of course they're using that opportunity to also play parts of Putin speeches and say, hey, look, nuclear threat, remember the missile crisis, because he is saying some stuff out there openly about how you know, we have a large nuclear arsenal and you know you wouldn't want things to get ugly. Now I almost have that, you know, I wouldn't want something bad to happen to your nice, lovely family. There a feeling coming off of it, but maybe
it's just me. Well if you think about it, now, you know, these guys everybody that's got the ability to put their finger on a button. Okay, country out there that's gotten nukes that you know, there's a certain minor responsibility goes with having a button. The thing is, none of these guys can be you know, billy badass or put on a tough man move sort of pushing the button. I mean, what can you do other than move a nuke somewhere. We've had Russian subs off our coast. Since
Russia's had subs, yes, you just don't hear about it. So you know this this try to whip up the anti communist frenzy right now. It's like, hey, you know, we just haven't seen the Russian sub come above the water and port in Cuba. It's been there, and it's been there since they have the ability to get there. You know, this is just another war game. Move on the map. Okay, I'm taking my battleship and I'm moving it over here, sort of pushing the What can these
guys do? I mean, how tough can you look? Knowing that you you know, got the ability or to blow half the world off its axes. Yeah, so, and pay no attention to where a lot of us and pay no attention to where a lot of US nuclear assets are moving around because pay no attention to that. Oh absolutely, we're used to used to that was a big thing. And back during the Cold War, you know,
these news agencies didn't have a lot to throw out there. So when we decided to move missiles into parts of West Germany, the Russians and the East Germans went ballistic and there was all these protests, no dukes of I mean, we had people protests that are you know, back Gate twenty four to seven there for a while, and this was back during the time that deb Route marine barricks got blown up in Lebanon, So you know, stuff was going on around the world. But really, what can these guys do
other than move a piece of armor somewhere, which they've been doing. It's just been a constant dance ever since we started the Cold War. So what can Putin do now other you know, to flex his muscles when you can't push the button, because you know, if you push the button, it's just you know, mutual extermination. What are you gonna do what can you do well? Until somebody does try and test that on a limited basis, we don't even know that for certain. I mean, I know the concept
of mutually destroyed, destructive detret and all that. I mean, I watched what's his name, you know, Kennedy's secretary of defense there, Matt McNamara. I watched him give a lecture on this in New York, you know, in what was it, two thousand or two thousand and one. It was at NYU, And you know, I tried to ask him a question
about the assassination but got shut down. But the but the thing was, it's really weird, you know, this idea of the reason why the button doesn't get pushed, The reason why nobody uses this stuff is because it would set off a chain reaction. Is that really the case? Because would somebody want to go that far if it was a small use? And oh, by the way, do you think that that would be advertised widely if that's what happened? I mean, do you think that that might have already occurred?
I mean, there's a lot of theoreticals built in here, and I think it's a very dangerous thing. I have a piece though that, I want to play a little audio from let's see, the audio is five minutes long, but we ain't going to get that far. I just want to show you the general setup here that is in the English speaking media, even though this actually comes from I think Italy. Anyway, Let's take a listen to how this reporter describes, okay, and the headline is Russian nuclear submarine
docs in Cuba Putin's warning to the West question mark right. Anyway, there's weird stuff going on in Italy anyhow, and it's funny to see how they decide report on it, especially considering they just had a brawl over there in the Italian Parliament. There is weird stuff happening, okay, in a lot
of political spheres of influence. And you throw this into the mix and what's actually happening in South Korea and everything else, one does wonder what the great ignition point is going to be. Oh and by the way, that whole thing that's happening in you know, the Israeli Palestinian combat is still happening. But anyway, let's just take a listen to how they frame this on Italian
media, with the accident and all, but it's in English now. Speaking of Russia, Moscow has made a power move on the other side of the world. Yesterday, some Russian ships arrived in Cuba, Russian warships. There was one guided missile frigate, the Admiral Gorshkov. It's the leadship of an entire class of frigates armed with caliber cruise missiles, zirkon hypersonic missiles, and on its anti ship missiles. It arrived in the Havana port yesterday flanked by
a tug boat and a fuel ship. So a Russian frigate armed to the teeth docked in Cuba, a country that the US has embargoed since nineteen fifty eight. You heard that right, nineteen fifty eight, sixty six years. It is the longest trade embargo in modern history. So it's safe to say that Cuba and the US aren't on good terms. And now a Russian ship has docked in Havana. It's a signal from Putin that Russia can waltz into America's backyard any time it wants to. And the frigate wasn't even the real
message. Putin's big warning cruised in a little later half submerged, Cuban and Russian naval flags fluttering in the wind, and a contingent of soldiers on the deck. It was a Russian nuclear powered submarine. The Kazan Cuba greeted the vessel with a cannon salute. The residents of Havana had lined up to get a glimpse of the ships, especially the submarine. I saw it a submarine, and I said wow, and I took a picture. I have never
seen a submarine in Havana in my life. It impresses me a little because I have never seen something so close, such a large ship of that magnitude. The Cubans were clearly impressed, but Putin isn't doing this to capture their attention. His target is a little to the north, merely one sixty kilometers away from Cuba. That is where Florida begins, which means that Putin has just sent his warships to America's doorstep. This comes weeks after an American provocation.
The US recently gave Ukraine a green light. It allowed Kiev to use American weapons to strike Russian territory. Putin said that it was an escalation, and now he has responded by sending warships to Cuba. This has some Americans worried. Now, I'll just I'll leave it there, because that's the effect of messaging. Now, is this the only thing that's happening. I doubt it. I guarantee you there's a lot of other stuff going on that nobody's
reporting on. But it's very easy to get footage out of Cuba. By the way, I doubt that lady used a word like magnitude during her sentence. If you see the film footage, you know why I say that. But anyway, it's really interesting to hear how they're framing this and how they're feeding the lines to this reporter, and it's just fascinating what's going on here? Is anybody really paying attention to this right now? In the US? She says, Oh, it's got people in the US worried. I don't
know, is there a lot of coverage on this? It doesn't look like it to me. Oh, I'm sure it's got some people worried in the US, just like you know. And it's probably the same white, middle aged liberal degree holder, white women that's going to get all up in a ruffle. You got to realize they've just gone into Cuba with these ships, so if something were to happen, they would have to rely on Cuba to be able to maintain those ships until such time as they could get a chain
of procurers to get their supplies there. Okay, Now this is a country where one of the biggest problems people are having is trying to find a water pump to fit a nineteen fifty seven Chevy bel Air. Okay, you're looking at one of the most technology and technological backward countries because of that embargo that they talked about. You go to Cuba and look at what they're driving around in. It's all pre nineteen fifty eight Detroit products and they're having to keep
them going. So just think about that. You've just run a frigate, a submarine, some supply ships to keep them going one halfway around the world, and you're worried about something, you know, crap breaking out. I don't think so it ain't gonna half under those circumstances. For Russians are not going to leave themselves at the mercy of the Cuban economy to be able to keep those ships going at were something to happen. So it's just a dance. That's all it is is a dance. And you know, meanwhile,
what do we got going on? Like I said, you know, Elon Musk is firing people over sexual harassment lawsuits. SpaceX moving along. Oh, by the way, Jeff Bezos thinks he can put what is it? How many people? Let's see as a vision of colonized space with a trillion people. He asked Aspergs to put in a put it to the test his idea about putting a trillion people in a colonized space. Yeah, I'm all for it. Let Jeff Bezos go on the first shift, and while he's up
there, we just take over Amazon. Look, I have no problem if somebody wants to launch Bezos into space and send him home. Uh, you know, because I think he deserves to go home. Uh why not? I mean, we let et phone, let Bezos go home. Anyway, you know what, what are you gonna do? This whole thing is just crazy anyhow, a lot of stuff going on at the moment. I might take a look, you've got a question. Yeah, I'm just I'm finishing up a story, well, a synopsis of a story. All right.
We all know that Alex Jones has gone through his his his reformation stage. Let's put it. Uh, you know, he's made the rounds and said that he's finally you know, said okay, liquidate everything, get his people off my back, pay them off. Right. Well, now, the apparently the families through the bankruptcy court want control of his ex slash Twitter account.
And I'm sitting here thinking, you know these people, says this comes after Jones, who filed for bankruptcy protection in twenty twenty two, agreed to Liquidator's assets in bankruptcy after failing to reach a settlement. When they say, they of families that would reduce the one point five billion he owes to the relatives of twenty students and six staff members killed in the twenty twelve mass shooting. Blah blah blah. Oh the anniversary was what just a week or so?
No, two weeks ago, one long ago? Anyway, they want they're telling the judge, it says, now the families want the Houston, Texas judge to seize control of Jones's social media accounts to ensure he is unable to start any new business ventures, claiming that jones posts are a key part of the info Wars business being liquidated to pay his debts. And this is
through Reuter's news service. But what they're claiming is is that his followers, because he's got two point three million followers, they should be treated no different than a customer list of any other liquidating business. And I can understand that there's a value that being a customer list, especially something with two point three million on the list, But are they actually customers or are they people?
What they want to do is basically put Alex Jones in a position that he cannot create any business of his own, but yet they want their money. So they want to keep him from being able to start any business ventures, but yet they want their money, and if he doesn't have one point five billion. Basically, what I'm getting from this is is the families are saying, we want everything you have, and we want you to die in poverty, unable to make a dollar enough to be able to support yourself and your
family. And don't you think that's a little harsh considering we're talking about somebody who was thought he was exercising his First Amendment rights. But because some families put some information out there that Jones took advantage of and started twisting around and they get this ridiculous court settlement. Don't you think that's a little harsh, a little much. See, I'm just curious. I would. But the problem is this, he can use this as a springboard to literally suffer no
consequence otherwise. And what's fascinating to me is it doesn't matter if they're actually customers or not. By the way, a contact list that is that extensive has a monetary value, and I don't I don't know what it is off the top of my head, considering, but considering these were people who elected to follow him, that's all they're doing. They're not necessarily doing business with
him. I know it's potential for business, but if you look at it this way, the entire enrollment of Facebook or Twitter could be a potential customer. Well, but here's someone decides to follow you. That's not necessarily you're using them in a monetary way. So who's Jones didn't go out and recruit these people. They just hit a button to follow what he had to say. So are they really a are they a piece of something that can be
put to a monetary value? When it was they get engaged with Jones and not Jones engaging with them, yes, because at the end of the day, Look, even when there was a buyout offered to me, there was a monetary value attached to my contact list. And it didn't matter if you were a signed up member at my website or if you were just in the Ocelli effect contact list. Right, that list of contacts is considered a curated
list, and that curated list has a monetary value. Now, mine certainly is not as large as Alex Jones is, but and doesn't have you know, some of the same key people attached to it, and it is a curated list. I mean especially, there's a whole lot of demographic information that
could be gleaned from that. Right, there is a lot of stuff here where you know, if people click on it or whatever else, there's paid options that might have come up. So you have a list of people that did you know that you can cross reference with another list that says, Okay, these are people that bought digital products, these are people that bought information,
these are people that paid for subscriptions. These things are all valuable to people that have different Yeah they are, but we're talking about people that simply hit a follow button on Twitter. Yeah, but not everybody might we I mean, I know that the potential's there. I know the potential is there for a huge amount of money to be made back and forth between the two
entities, But they're talking about taking. What happens if he says, Okay, take my Twitter account and then he turns right around and opens another Twitter account, does that give them access then to that? Well? No, because they took the first one. Well no, because if it's an info Wars account, that's one thing. But if it's Alex Jones's account, do they have a right to that? Yeah, they have a right to be able to control him the rest of his life and his name, but they
don't. What they have is here's the problem right where the individual becomes intermixed with the business. And this is the thing right like right now, Jones of info Wars is a product of info Wars. Okay, it's not just him personally, and that's under saying that. But what if this is his personal account? Let me see if I can find out what account they're talking about. If it's an info Wars account, yes, I can see seizing it, but that lines. But if it's Alex Jones's personal account, I
don't think they have a right to it. That line bankrupt. But my point is that line is very blurry, okay, because you know, at Real Alex Jones is very likely part of the marketing scheme of Info Wars and prison Planet. Right, so if those two things are attached to this lawsuit, and that is part of the you know, the product. I mean, just like you lose your you know, you know this is my personally. You know, if you work for a business and you have an email
account with that business, right it is part of that business. If you have a Twitter account, if you have a Facebook account that is attached to a business. That's the thing. This is a very blurry situation because because I don't know if these things have ever been legally like you know, the lines have ever been drawn perfectly. Uh, you know, for instance, what I use. You know, we don't effect account. We can find out what this is. Whatever account was taken down by Elon Musk, it's
the account that he restored to him earlier this year. I thought it was at Real Alex Jones. Maybe I don't know, but I apparently that's the one. It says, Well, I'm just reading from a story here. It says, uh, Jones who was the host of Info Wars, permanently banned from Twinter now known as x in twenty eighteen before Musk acquired the company. At the time, Twitter claimed that Jones have been permanently banned for violating
the company's abusive behavior policy. Mastem Media got the majority of the public to believe that Jones was banned over comments made about Sandy Hick school masaker, but Alex Jones revealed that not to be the case. Jones told Tucker also that the real reason he could van was because he insulted a CNN reporter, whom he publicly shamed in a video outside of a congressional hearing. Apparently, he said, I bull bullied Oliver Dorsey. I don't even know who Oliver Darcy
is. I have no idea that well, I'm trying to see which account it was that was taken down. But again the problem is, right, is it his personal account or is it his performance account in the course of doing business? Uh? And like I said before, and the other thing is, according to these platforms, by the way they dictate to you, what belongs to you and what does it all? Right? So the idea that this even belongs to him in the first place. Is it his property?
You know that could be challenged as well. It's not really his. It belongs to Twitter X, you know, just like they tell you. I mean, look, technically speaking right now, I mean I do feed some things, although they're starting to push back on it to YouTube again, but I feed it under my own name, and I'm trying to say it's my own personal YouTube channel, right and they're starting to block it. I can't believe that his award actually wasn't thrown out on an appeal because of being
excessive. But he didn't make money. See, but that's the thing. If you don't try, this is what frustrates the hell out of me. The guy didn't make the effort to defend himself by following directions. He didn't file things all the time. No, No, this was this court case was a lot different than Fetcher's. This court case basically you got the families of the twenty kids and six others. Yeah, but it's not they You look at this one point five billion, it comes down to over almost fifty
eight million a piece, just divided by the twenty six. Now Wilks has got their hooks in a piece of them the lawyers are going to end up getting the most of it. That's the shame. Yeah, okay, so you're doing a long way around though. To get back to the same thing, his lawyers didn't file crap on time, just like Fetzer didn't file stuff
properly, the same thing happens. Fine, no, no, but hold on hold the result of a one point five billion dollars to me, even if he didn't file stuff on time, still that seems excessive for what it was that he supposedly did. Yeah, and if you don't put words out there, fine, if you don't bother to just shot anybody, and if you don't bother to file an appeal, then then then the hell with you anyway, because he's not making an attempt to do anything about it within the
confines of the of the structure. You see what I'm saying. Well, to be honest, he may not be able to afford it, but that may not be able to I mean, a lot of appeals aren't filed because of the cost is going to take the file the damn things is gone through a divorce and now he's lost info wars. I'm just saying it seems to me excessive one in the fine But I can't believe that there arguing over a
Twitter list. Yeah, well, anyway, I will not believe for a second he can't afford a lawyer to file an appeal, even if it's badly done. He's not doing it. He's not making the effort. Besides that, you mean to tell me among the millions of listeners, he's got. Not one lawyer out there would do it pro bono, Not one lawyer out there would do it on contingency. Come on the potential there for a lot of money to even be paid as somebody who is executing the circumstances here is
there. Lawyers don't care. He's not making the effort to defend himself in the first place, and then he's not making the effort to appeal as all there is to it. Look, I know a guy like you or me might have trouble paying a lawyer. This guy doesn't have that kind of trouble. I'm sorry, he just doesn't. I don't know. I would think, I don't know. Some rich people that get into these court cases end up losing everything because of the lawyer. The guy maybe so maybe so much.
Look at the stuff that don't look, Kevin Spacey, he just went through all this crap and was exonerated. Exonerated. Yeah. In fact, Douglas Murray went after I think it was the BBC or somebody for saying, hey, you know, stop talking smack. The guy was exonerated. You know, give him a damn break. He's just losing his multimillion dollar house. He's being foreclosed on, they're putting it up on auction. He's lost everything trying to defend and he still owes millions in legal fees over this thing.
So yeah, it's it can but bankrupt people. And I'm goodn't surprised that between his divorce and everything else, Alex Jones is probably having the squeeze turnips to get money. I mean, I can't. I cannot believe when you got when you got a ten million dollars a month operation, there is no way, no way that people were done. By the way, while he he's doing all that business, people were still donating to him. If
he just put out a thing for a GoFundMe. I mean, come on, for God's say, Trump, who is supposed to be one of the richest men in the world, is still accepting donations and some of that is going to his legal fees. You mean to tell me that Alex Jones couldn't get on the radio and say, look, I don't have the ability to defend myself. I need lawyers. That lawyers wouldn't volunteer, that people wouldn't
throw money at him. People were throwing money at him just for his efforts, right even though he had the multimillion dollar a month operation, It didn't matter. People were still not there money too out there that lawyers, believe it or not. There are people out there that have the reputation, and lawyers are not going to touch him. I don't care what you say that even somebody, oh, I'm a fan of his and I'll do it pro bono, not till they see the behemoth they've got to take on. In
this case. You've got twenty six entities suing him and getting a one point five billion dollars in a set of No lawyer is gonna want to touch that because they're fighting from the bottom of a hole that that Alex Jones dug for himself, and it's going to take him forever to even see daylight, let alone start gaining ground. Yeah, I can see him not being able to get his way. I can see him going broke on this, completely broke. We don't know how much money he's tucked away, and somebody could be
siphoning off the back end of it. We don't know what he had to pay his wife, her ex wife. Well, you know from from her statements, not that much. Uh And but well that's her statement. She's responsible. I mean, she put herself in that whole situation. Could have hauled ass a long time ago, but she wanted to ride that trick pony as long as money was coming in. Of course, started to go back, she bails, of course she did. So I'm not making it get
a damn time. I'm sorry. I take sides when it comes to divorces, and she didn't get a damn dime. More power to them, not look whatever. But I'm just saying that I have a hard time believing that anybody who has that kind of income or that kind of action, uh, has the It doesn't. It's not the same. I'm just telling you, it's not a guy who's got a couple of million dollars and gets broken. It's not oj who you know, got completely uh you know, drained by
Johnny Cochran and associates. Okay, Uh, he ended up with next to nothing except his NFL pension. Uh. You know it's not OJ. This is not the same thing. This guy was making more money, you know, monthly than OJ, did, you know, trying to film all of his naked gun movies and everything else. I mean yeah, but I mean until you see his sheets, that tells you how much it was costing him to make that pull that money in there. You don't know what these lawyers.
Once the lawyers get involved, man, your money is worthless. It's all theirs, Okay, who the lawyer is. Yeah. And that's the thing is that on top of it, there are people, there are plenty of lawyers out there that know that they're gonna be able to bankroll themselves off of just handling the celebrity anyway, which is why you know, some of these guys end up in these criminal trials and they pay, you know, one hundred million dollars for a criminal trial, and they get it. It's
me. You see someone Biden who had to get his damn child support reduced to less than five thousand dollars a month, and he was up a round twenty thousand he gets it reduced because he's broke, he's got oh you know, he's an artist and he's got to rely on the income of that. But he's got Abby Lowell representing him. Now, how much do you think he charges per hour in court? Under or over one thousand dollars? Well,
definitely over. But if you think for a minute that that's not being done so that that guy can gain some other favors somewhere from somebody, I mean, please know that, But just think about the billing hour. So who's footing the bill? Huntering got it? So who's paying it? Well? A good question. But meanwhile, we didn't even get to the hunt Biden conviction yet, did we, Which I find hilarious. Which I find hilarious because look, the first problem is everybody freaking out about it, one
way or another. The sentencing guidelines on what this guy did, okay, and everything else amount to next to nothing. Okay, because he has no prior felony convictions, he's probably likely to get something like six months probation, and people are freaking out, Oh, he could go to prison. Come on, really you think so? I mean, I know they're gonna let him roll and Joe says he's not going to pardon him or maybe or what. But come on, this is this is not what's gonna happen. Hunter,
Biden's not going to prison for twenty years get out of here. Not for this, I mean, you know, stay tuned, but uh for lying on a on a on a gun for him, which, by the way, his biggest album, His biggest problem is down road. Because we just had the FBI I confirmed that his laptop is his laptop, and now since it's been admitted his evidence into a court case, I think what else is gonna come off that damn computer we're gonna hear about. We're gonna be
hearing about the laptop from Hell for quite a while. Of course we are. Nobody's gonna let go of that. It's gonna be Look, it's not November yet, all right, and we still have the debates to get through, which I'm waiting to see what that spectacle turns up, which you and I had a pretty interesting conversation about it before we went to air. Now we do have some callers, and I want to get to them soon.
Let me take a look at the time. Also, because we've already used up a bunch of time and should probably go to a break and then get back around to the phone callers quickly. So I'm gonna do that. But man, oh man, look, the laptop's not going away. Hunter's not going away. He's gonna get dragged through court some more. Notice how the Trump trials are evaporating though, because I told you that was gonna happen. But I pay no attention to me. I'm wrong, right, don't worry.
Oh wait, we still got our bet about him. Get pulling time here, we'll learn. What when is it, July eleventh? Yep, No, we got our bets down. We'll see, we will see. But take a look at the other trials. What's happening A whole lot of nothing, which is what's gonna come of it, Okay, I assure you. And meanwhile, Trump's gonna appeal, okay, unlike Alex Jones, He's gonna appeal because notice the word appeal hasn't come out of Jones's mouth yet,
right. Anyway, stay tuned. I guess it'll all continue to work itself out in the wash, as they say. But I find it funny that people were still angry after Hunter Biden was convicted on the Fox News is of the world. They were. They were still pretty pissed, like this is nothing. The funniest thing, though, is he had a plea agreement in front of him, Yeah, and he threw it back at him and said, nah, So now he's sweating it. I mean, he's sweating it.
We know he's not gonna pull any time, but there's a little part of him that's probably hitting the pipe right now, thinking, damn, I wish this would go away. Oh yeah, and it ain't going away, guaranteed he see what comes out of it. But if you think about it, he could have had this all done months ago had he taken the second, you know, plea agreement that they offered him, because the judge threw
out the first one. It was so ridiculous. Yeah, so I wonder he's kicking himself in the butt over not taking the plea agreement before him. Yeah. Well, my understanding was that the judge tossed it out. That's what the problem was. I don't remember what happened with the second one. No, they made another. They made another offer the judge throughout the original plea agreement that Weiss came up with where he was going to get immunity for
any and every thing to walk. But they did. They folded they well, they folded the gun charge in as a secondary under the tax evasion, and they were going to put him in a deferred program. And when the judge saw that that, he would go through the deferred program, and if he went through the program, he would have immunity to other crimes associated.
Now, think about the evidence that they used in this gun trial. It was basically his girlfriend, his ex wife, and his ex sister in law flash benefit, so you know, plus the laptop, getting that laptop in as evidence and the FBI confirming that it's Legit was the biggest thing to come out of this trial. Okay, Now, if we had taken the damn plea agreement, it never would have been entered. Well look, I just I just want this little note right here on the broadcast and then we're going
to a break. And that is real simple one. You know, all you people that were yelling at me and uh, you know, private emails and messages don'tor Biden's not even good to siparty consequences. You get a pleate deal and he's getting beget up on everything. And I said no, he's not, and this makes no sense. This is going to amount to next to nothing, but they're gonna put on a show like something is gonna come out of it. Gee, you know, you guys that said that they
would never even you know, take it to court. He's now been convicted. So just remember that later on when we get to nothing of consequence happening to uh Trump, and nothing of consequence happening to Hunter Biden. I mean, I can foresee uh you know what, it's some probation with this gun charge, and maybe the rest been ole evaporate. I mean, look, if Joe Biden is removed from office one way or another, and oh, by the way, there's you know, more impeachments to come and everything else.
I mean, Merrick Garland in contempt of Congress, we didn't cover that either, but you know, we'll get there. You guys can call in. But just keep in mind that that a raspy voiced guy like me told you none of these people pay any real consequences. That's the way this works. And in fact, you know what Trump is fund raising off of it? Just fine, And I don't know, Biden can't pardon Hunter and get
away with it. Or Kenny, let's stay tuned on that. But what do you think was there any outcome that was gonna make any of the right wing media happy? Or you if you're pissed off right now that Hunter Biden, Oh, Hunter Biden, like I've heard, If you're pissed off about that, tell me something. What would have been the outcome you wanted? Because you didn't have one? Here he's convicted, and guess what you're now
going to say? Where the sentencing goes. And just like with Trump, you'll see where the sentencing goes, and nobody's gonna be happy about it. Promise you that. I mean, I know everybody wants to send their opponents to the guillotine, but the Saint France baby. Anyway, this is the Ocelli effect. And it is Friday night, so I do see some callers on the line, including our friend Jimmy James, so I'm sure he's gonna
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the Ocelli Effect. Open Mike a Friday night, so really quickly, because it is June fourteenth, I want to remind you that it's not just my daughter's birthday, but it's also Donald Trump's birthday and boy George's birthday. They share a birthday here June fourteenth, which is Flag Day. Also Marla Gibbs, and let's see the guy from Country Joe and the Fish, what was his name? Barry Melton is also born on this day. And yes, me and Bleeth, how about that? All people born geminis on June fourteen
different years. Of course, my baby's twenty five years old today. I'm kind of amazed at that, but eh, what are you gonna do? Everybody is amazed when they look inside of their own navel and look at their own children. Right. So anyway, I'm also gonna have Joan Mellon on the show pretty soon. She's got a new book coming out, Sherlock being
Canfield or Catfield. Uh, anyways, that's that's coming up, and uh yeah, we're gonna do that probably here from Jefferson Morley again soon depending on if there's any developments there, and a few other people of interest from that world, very very soon on the o'celly effect, and hopefully we'll hear from you three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six three one nine five two seven five zero one six or reach out to me on
Skype Charles dot o'ceelly if you do, I will check the messages. As a matter of fact, I see I have some messages now, and uh, not sure what everybody's saying there, but if somebody asks they can come on to the show, I will call them. And also is this from today? Wow, it could be that. Let me see here, let me check because there might be a baby born among a former guest, or
a former guest could have filed a child today. Let's see. Anyways, p PTE, you got anything you want to add before we get to the callers. No, but when you have Joe mellan on, ask her a question for me and I'll get the specifics if you need it. But sometime back, she was quoted one of these panel discussions that they had evidence that Oswald was seen outside of the school book depository or they had proved for something, and I want to know if she still stands by that statement. Okay,
well, I'll have to get the specifics of what it was. They had evidence that he was out front at the time of the shooting, and I'm thinking I've never heard her because I can't find anywhere where she has explained that. I don't know if she was relying on somebody else's work for her own, but I'd like to know if she still stands by the statement.
Now, hey, look, I don't know that that. That's an interesting I mean, that would kind of put her in the prayer man camp, right, I mean, yeah, right, he's out well or or some other some other configuration. I don't know. You get me, give me a very specific version of that question, and I'll definitely put it to her. I'd like to know the answer to that, because I never heard her say that. Where did she say that? By the way, do you
know? I don't know? Is some reference that it was a post that Judith Baker had had placed on one of her blogs, had a link to some because that's what Judith was using. Is proof that other researchers say that Oswald wasn't in there at the time the shooting. So but yet that contracts Juda's saying that, yes, she was there as part of the abort team, which, God, that's got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard come out of all this crap. Yeah, freaking abort team, the
board team. Well, you know she knows. Look, Judas knows it because he told her right, because they were talking every night from the school
book depository. I mean, he told her, right, you have to have a whole team to aboard an operation instead of picking up the radio and going, hey, guys, aboard, Yeah, because there is always an abort option, right, There's always a key like if this happens or if you get this signal, there's always a you know what, call it off kind of signal, right, in any sort of operation like this, I mean, even even when there's a mob hit, there's always a like,
look, if this goes down, walk away, Okay, there's always that thing, and it's built in. It's built in. It's like, if this certain thing goes down, then that means don't do it, you know what I mean. And it could be as simple as the guy doesn't have the flower in his lapel. Or he's got you know, you get a signal if this guy's there, don't shoot the guy whatever. All right,
there's always something that tells you this means don't go through with it. The abort team that always killed here, they had a team, had a team in place, and I'm still trying to understand what was it the team was supposed to do to abort the operation. I don't know those that were carrying out the operation, or simply you know, just start pointing, going, he's gotta good, he's got a good Yeah, well it'sposed to be how this abort he was supposed to abord. I don't know. You gotta ask
you gotta Askkosh Plumley about that bringing guy. You know, even though even though Tosh says he was on the other side of the street, right and he's on I saw his head go way back. I'll you from over here, and I'm like, dude, where you're standing, do you realize how ridiculous that? I mean, it looks good on the film, I mean,
but I don't know. Maybe I think time would help this situation, but it just made it worse, you know, just like he was going to take that thervice to Mexico. But then there was a you know, he was going to take it to Cuba right to get rid of Castro because they were going to give him cancer or something. I don't know. I'm gonna get a freaking walk around with one of these night early nineteen sixties style short services used to take school. I had the plaid outside paint job.
It was plaid with a solid you know, like a red cup top on it. Yeah, I had. I had a weird one in the seventies.
At one point. I mine was King Kong with one foot each on one of the twin towers, because I want to say that they had I forget what year they completed the twin Towers or whatever, but King Kong was still like a popular thing to run every Thanksgiving on TV, and somehow or other they made a kid's lunchbox with King Kong standing one foot each on the twin towers and uh yeah, and there was a thermist that went with it. But I didn't get the thermis with mine. I got the you know,
I got just the metal box. Anyways, let's see what we need to check and see if if someone claims Oswald got a ticket for his thermos you know, so he'd had to see the place it in. I don't know, I don't you know, did did you know? What? What? What? What was on Oswald's thermos that he was supposed to carry to Cuba with him that he was that's why he was Did he have a plane? Did you have a plaid one? You know? Dunkin Donuts made a
cool thermos at one point. There had to be. It had to be for the T What was the the show I Was a spy or something that he just said he was a big fan of. Well that, yeah, but that's partially based on some actual accounts from people that actually knew him that he liked that TV show that she adopted. But I don't know. Maybe we check and see what what kind of thermis that guy had on that TV show I Lived Three Lives? What what what thermis does the guy that's got
to be like one of those Jeopardy questions. Tell us about the thermis that the guy carried and I lived three lives? Anyway, we got callers on the line, Let's get to him again. Three one seven, five, zero one six. Maybe maybe Jimmy James had a cool thermis that he could have taken to Cuba at some point. I don't know, maybe we need thermiss in Cuba right now, you know, to deal with why not Jimmy all right? It was brother in the ninety two documentary that first brought up
the stupid show. It was his brother, right, it was was it was Robert right, Yeah, it's his brother seeing it. I mean, his brother's the source of that. I don't know what you guys talking about board teams, And for the third year in a row, I'm going to bring this up. Okapete, listen, this is me speaking, not Professor Malady. I played the clip here just last year where it was me, years and years ago who was the first to infer that Beckham, whom she
interviewed, was talking about what we know as prayer man. It was me that says, okay, that's what Beckham was talking about, not Professor Mallan. I played the clip here last year and the year before that, and played the part where she was quoting the Rabbi Beckham. She simply asked the man, and this is twenty some years ago, any of these clowns were on the internet. When's the last time you saw Oswalt standing up by the
book depository drinking a coke was his answer. And look, Jimmy, though, you got to admit that Beckham, you have to take with a couple of grains of salt no matter what he's talking about, right, I mean, you got to admit roll he passed in seventy nine stress tests and everything he says, I check and his hands out. I got more pictures of him with Oswald than the man's wife. Okay, look, man, I'm just saying that some of the stuff the guy has said it doesn't quite fit.
Okay, I don't know. I don't know before nineteen seventy whatever was that that guy he was scared of before he died? Yeah, he was lying his ass off and in admitted that who was he scared of? M Well, that depends right. Well he said it. No, he said it about the one guy stuff, But who was the other guy? Who was? Other people had identified this other guy that was supposedly handling him too, right, well, everybody, Uh, the guy that the rabbi says
he was scared of was frad Lee Christen. He sat there and rattled off everyone else the names of a mafioso and everything else like they were nothing. That he knew Fred Lee Christman would literally come and kill him if he even spoke his name, As he says, he always had a way to find me. Well, what are you going to do anyways? All right? Fair enough? So, so what you telling me is we don't need to ask Joan Mellan about this? Is that right? Oh? I would absolutely
ask her, but she's probably never even thought about it. All. She does write an interview twenty some odd years ago. So I would just say, you realize that if Rabbi Beckham says he's seen Postball drinking a coke out in front of the building, then that would make him prayer man. Yeah, I guess so. And let's see, she must have conducted that interview in two thousand, right, because yes, yeah, nineteen ninety ninety thousand.
None of these people could have possibly have seen those photos that I'm talking about. Surely that Rabbi didn't know nothing about it. And I doubt Joan Mellan even cares about pictures. She's not the kind to worry about such things. No, she didn't. I just am because of my journey on that just wile look at all coincides? Well, I was talking to her back then while she was writing a Farewell to justice, right, and I remember the Beckham interview. There is some stuff she didn't publish too, by the
way, that is a little strange. They came from the Beckham discussions, and I don't know. Maybe I'll ask her about that when I bring her on the show, because I had a back and forth with her recently where you know, she was angry at me for a little while and I think now maybe not so much. So I'm going to bring around and open up
some different discussions. So any questions you guys want to prepare for when she does come on, by all means, but I'm gonna mainly talk to her about this new book she's got out, but we're going to devote a segment at least to unanswered questions of the past. So maybe I'll ask her about the the the Beckham interaction a little more and see what she's willing to share, because there I have reasons for why I say I don't find him to be a trustworthy source, and I want to see if she relates that to
people, because she had a lot of interaction with him. Anyway, we'll leave it at that, but anyway, Jimmy, I don't know if that was all that you wanted to bring up or if you had anything else on your mind. Go ahead was due to what was being talked about. And on the other hand, I don't understand how this character that wrote the Devil's Chest work could be broke because he's a lawyer, but he do with all his money. Yeah, well see, and that's the weird thing to me.
But did you see that recently, by the way, that he's you know, in trouble because he had a stroke not long ago and stuff. No, I had no idea he was having health problems again, and I certainly never thought he was going to have economic problems. Well, he's a lawyer. Someone filed bankruptcy for him and save his house. You keep one house, one car, that's the rules. Well that's a lawyer, that's
the way it should be. But you know, maybe he's incapacitated from the stroke, but you would figure somebody would step in and Uh, anyway, at the moment, he's actually got to go fund me. I'm just telling you what is I'm not even telling you to notice. I'm not saying I'm not saying go donate to him. I'm just saying, this is what's happened. I mean, I know, I obviously don't agree with anything the man says, but whatever I do agree. Look, he's been in the fight.
Brother Simpkin or someone out there helped this man out. Actually, I'm surprised that Simpach is Simpitch Professionally, Simpitch usually helps out people with housing issues, so I'm kind of surprised that Simpitch didn't step in. But I swear to you more. He sent out a mass email this week too, you know, to all the people on the JFK fax blog. Are you signed up for the free version of that? By the way, no, I'm not feel free to put my address in there. Okay, well, you
know what, I'm gonna affward it to you right now. I'll forward you this one that I got right in front of me, and i'll read you the first first paragraph. Okay, Morley set this out. Let me see what the date is on this thing. On Tuesday? Okay, guys, and I was not well on Tuesday. It did not read it on Tuesday. I read it a few days later. But anyway, it says last
Sunday, my friend David Talbot suffered a near fatal stroke. It happened as he and his wife looks Camille. Camille, Okay, Camille, We're having to move out of the family home of over thirty years in San Francisco, and it's left both David and Camille in a scary and precarious place, not no where they'll live on top of this agonizing event. As a freend and editor, writer, agitator, jokester, bon beyond, and leader, David has inspired so many of us. Now we want to help him in any
way we can. And then he provides this GoFundMe link. So, like I said, I'll forward that to you JJ, just say you have it. But I'm not encouraging anybody to you know, two parties. I'm not telling you what to do here, all right, I'm just saying this is something that's happened, and I was just informing you guys about it because I don't see it being talked about on anybody's blog or anything. So there it
is. Let's see. Let's see the Yeah, JMS t R that one right, Jimmy, that's perfect, Okay, great, So you will have that in your email box just so you know, so you could look at it for yourself. But I'm just I'm just reporting what's being reported to me. And I heard about this through somebody else. But then Morley sent out
that email on Tuesday. I think I literally heard about it on Sunday night, or maybe it was Monday morning, and then I saw that email a couple of days after Tuesday, because I was unwell on Tuesday myself and wasn't reading anything. But you know, I think Wednesday or Thursday, I read
it and I was like, what when did this happen? So, you know, because I had heard that he had had a stroke, and I thought maybe it was somebody reporting on some incident from before, but apparently it happened again and he was already in the process of losing his home in San Francisco, where it is expensive to live. But you know, like you said, maybe it's time for a bankruptcy and a reorganization. Anyway, I'll leave it at that, Jimmy, anything else you want to add or should
I move on to other colors? Nah, that's all I got. As usual, I'm the buzz killed, no problem. I will bring you to be the bumer. That's all right. We'll bring you back around for another buzz in a couple of minutes. Let me see who else we got on the line. I got, Uh, well, let's see this. This actually identifies itself as being from Florida. I wonder if this is somebody I went back and forth with in emails this week or not. Uh call it from Florida. You're on the air. Oh yes, I guess correct.
I tell you, hey, there you are. You know what I did have it back and forth and emails with you this week? Didn't I? Yes, you did, And I'm sorry bard you with my bullshet Nah Nah, it doesn't bug me at all. I just I just wanted you to know that I don't you. I don't just source some mainstream stuff or left wing stuff for my show. And I used to be kind of involved in
the patriot media at one point. But then when I disagreed with Santilli over there pretty harshly and found him to be a ridiculous government plant, a lot of people turned against me, because, you know, how do you walk
away from a gun charge in Michigan like that? He walked away from a gun charge in Michigan with nothing on him and ridiculously asserted an Oregon that he was part of the press even though he was participating in that siege at the Bird Sanctuary, and as I predicted, his video came in as evidence against everybody who they wanted to prosecute, because although the Bundies walked away acquitted,
the others went to prison. So, you know, I was trying to warn people as all that some people were about to go to prison and this was a big setup and this idiot was not going to help anybody, but nobody wanted to listen to me, so they ended up with Santilly and a couple of YouTube I tried to want people, you know, come January sixth, when that whole event was taking place, and I tried to warn them a little all set up and you know, I've been spending too many times
in the count you know. Yeah, so, but yeah, but you don't tell you why. But you know, no, I understand, but you got to realize when this idiot was running around, uh you know, at the at the Bundy Ranch, right, and I had a guy there on the ground when he was running around and screaming, all right, guys, this is great, this is a great thing for the patriot movement.
We're going to go to the American Spring next, Remember the American Spring that was going to happen in DC. Yeah, he was screaming about that. And oh, by the way, showing up with you know, fifty eighty sixty ninety thousand dollars worth of equipment and other things at a thin air, you know, And that to me is very suspect for somebody who was in the media at the time. Uh, you know what I'm saying, It
was a little much. And I'm going, guys, you know, this guy just walked away in Michigan. Nobody would walk away with that gun charge in Michigan. I have the court papers to prove that. They just decided not to prosecute him in open court, and nobody's listening to me. Why do you do that to somebody who's allegedly some big dangerous patriot, anti government patriot. They generally would have buried his ass. And also, you're not
a journalist if you're participating in the event. But he walked away in Oregon off of that, didn't he. I mean, yeah, he sat in jail for a little while, but you know, he had to collect more intel. This guy. That's the way I feel about him, and I'm not changing my view on it, and I don't care if people made death threats against me and everything, but that guy, screw him. Screw him and his followers and anybody else who thinks he's even remotely useful. He is
useful, but only as an idiot. Pete Santilly. So that's the way I stand there, Chris, And Uh, I don't know how you feel about him, or if you do, but that's the thing, and I don't give a damn. And that's why I did shows that there were with titles like the Death of the Alternative Media, because that was the end of it as far as I was concerned right then and there. Uh. Anyway, So I have not always been on the lift wing liberal side like people
want to put me. Guess what I believe in your right to have arms as well, which is funny because I almost feel like Hunter Biden's case would be a good one for the n RA. But that's my own private joke, Chris. I'm taking up your time, though, and you like what I think. Most recently with we're supposedly and saying the video of him assaulting some female in the hallway of a hotel, just like we did with a P Diddy? Or am I getting the name it correct? And I think
he's changed the name too many times. Yeah, Sean Combs, puff Daddy, P Diddy? Whatever? Right? Did you are you what I'm talking about? Yeah? Did did he do it? Like here there's the video video foot him. Yeah, just it's pretty much just a it's it's the exact same as what you've seen with the video footage if you had seen it with him dragging a female back to the hotel hotel room. What I'm talking about, Yes, Well, I mean it seems that we've all fallen him
pray to a certain level of misinformation. I mean, if you you know, if he can if anybody knows anything about him, Biden, you can look at his back tattooes irregularly before this video was released, and originally the tattoos on his back, shoulder, back, left shoulder. If I'm not mistaken that with the finger lakes, I forget the statement set exists. But if you look at the newer video, but it's just it's the black bars
on his back that doesn't you know. Just there's a little bit of messuparation, a lot of miss information going on around, you know, well, I don't know what you know Combs is guilty of exactly. I know the arrest looked really interesting. I know it looks like, you know, again you got another uh what is that guy's name? R? Kelly kind of situation? Uh? I what what? What can I say? I I
don't know what to say at this point. I met that guy at one point, though, many years ago, and didn't have the impression that he was the sort to do this. I thought he was sort of a hustler. He was just one of many, many people out there that I'm a producer and a promoter. You know, they were a dime a dozen in the nineteen nineties, and he just happened to be one of the guys who actually pulled it off with the whole bad boy thing. You know, maybe
he really was a bad boy. I don't know, man, I don't know what to make of it all. There's lots of interesting evidence, and you know, again, we're going to have another Hollywood elitist that probably doesn't behave like you know, he belongs among human beings. But what are you going to do? We also brought up Kevin Spacey earlier. Everybody forgets he's been exonerated by the way his career is destroyed. You know, that is what it is. And then again, well Kevin Spacey talking about how he's
admitting that he actually and did take a flight on Epstein. He was on a plane with Epstein and just laying Yeah, yeah, I think that was well he was, he was, Yeah, he was. He was on a mission for the one of the Clinton Foundation. You'd seen that one. You know, I'm just catching this this podcast, you know, before i'd called it. It was maybe like five minutes before that start, you know, caught a little bit late. No, he no, No, he
was. He was definitely on the Epstein. See, but here we go what was going on with the Epstein situation because at certain points, you know, there are people that are clearly there because they want to get a piece of low lead to island. But then there's others there that I'm not sure if they were being set up or what was going on. Uh and uh, just the fact that he's around that guy, you know, it makes
my skin crawl anyway. So, you know, is he clean maybe not, but not guilty of the the exact crime that they were trying to nail him with. Right, So, like I said, there's a lot going on. If he's uh, if he was in participation with the Clinton Foundation, that he's you know, the Clinton Foundation. I mean, if you look at all the allegations, get them, they're just as guilty as you know, Jeffrey Epstein, you know, jeff In. My opinion was jes
Wayne was most likely the arbitrator of everything. And see was literally the you know, one of the larger head pieces. And you know what I mean, Yeah, tend to be the guy that you know, you know, the unfortunate so that you know, yeah, we're gonna indulge you to you know, we're gonna let you indulge in all your your sexual fantasies. You
know, just have your way, enjoy yourself. Yeah, but you know, and to him, he was going to be the guy that was going to be taken down and be known to be the you know, the head guy for the organization. Indeed, it was not him, it was somebody else laying I think Jesus lower on the total pole because because the only right, because the only people that ever get suicided or actually go to prison are people that are available for the sacrifice, the actual controllers, the people that
are above it all, remain above it all for a reason. So of course, I know, I agree. What's that I said, unless you work for Boeing, well there's another problem. But you know, sometimes competing factions do knock each other off as well. I mean, it is after all, organized crime, my friend. Whether you want to call it that or not, and whether they're Italian or not doesn't matter. It's organized crime.
So you know, on occasion there are struggles within the underground, right, So uh yeah, and look again, we're not talking about anybody who's a clean individual here or happenstance or you know, some people make weird sort of like oh this just you know, so happened to be the case, or oh well, you know, I didn't mean to be around these people, but I was pretty much like that footage of you know, Trump hanging out with Epstein where it's I was sort of like they seem to know each
other pretty well. Oh they did at one point, but he got rid of them, I know, I know. But anyway, so congrats to Sam. I'd to lette. I thought maybe he had a baby same day my daughter was born, but no, apparently he had a new baby on the fifth of June, and he just shared a picture with me because he's just coming home from being a way. So I just wanted to say, that's the guy who's been on the show before. I wrote a couple of interesting books, and I'm working on a book with him now, Sam,
i'd to let anyways. Yeah, so anything else on your mind, Chris, go for it. Man. Well, and then we could touch on the fact of the possibility of youah, not a lot of paper kind of liked this aspect, but you know, make control opposition. I'm sorry say that again. I said we could touch on the fact of and a lot of people won't like this, but the fact that Trump could be controlled opposition.
Well, and now you've touched upon the thing that got me the most hate of all in the old media world because my whole complaint he's not fighting the deep state. He's part of the plan. But you know, I'm an idiot, So what can I tell you? I mean, what everything that's going on, And Cheryl Garness a little bit of hate for this, but I'm in realist. You know, we can you know this, this discussing could go longer, but I understand we'll live it in that time.
Friend, but uh, I mean Trump's automatically. I mean he's pretty well tied into the key. You know, a lot of a lot of Trump part inflate home you or co flate. You know. They time went to the Q the Q world mm hmm. Uh yeah, there's a question. Trust the plan and just wait for everything. You know, this doesn't matter what what ship thing occurs in our existence, It's all part of the plan. Just sit back. Uh. Just you know, ship idly by Chris
is the Chris. Let me ask you something, Is there anything new coming out of Q world? Because I have not seen anything new at a Q world in a bit, have you? You know, I followed the community, you know, I mean I I followed. I've been a follow with the community for a while. You know. That doesn't mean I necessarily subscriber to it. Uh, but pretty much the all the thing that is, just keep keep fallowing the plan, you know, keep trust him, trusting
the plan. Uh. Everything is part of the plan. Mhmm. So even the you know, listen, I'm not trying to be a deviant hair or anything like that, but I'm you could even I'm not saying anything against God or anything like that, but I mean it's the same that you just everything is part of the plan essentially, okay, so let me let me what transpires, what transpires, just just sit idly by and let it all
take place. So are these with the bull to the end? Yeah, so realistic, So Chris, here's my question though, are the are the felony convictions also part of the plan? Now? According to Q? Is that is that the new take on this or or or not? You know, that's it's it's really hard to gauge quite honestly, it would same like because that's all right, I mean we're well to listen, We're we're in one or two scenarios. Either this bull said is true or it's not true.
Okay, if it's I if Q is true and real, okay, this is all part of the plan. The Trump's supposed to undergo these convictions, and he's supposed to come back of the hero I'm you know, just to gain more votes basically, I mean, just Smari is okay, so so weirdly at this point, so Sesson can take most for us realistically.
I'm not trying to go jil no, no, of course, I just I just want to make something clear, So right, now me and Q agree that this is actually part of the plan, and the convictions are part of the plan at this point. This is a weird historic situation. Oh, Shelley and Q agree that this is part of the plans. Stay tuned. This is all part of getting him reinstalled, right. I mean that seems to me one of the narratives that are being laid up. That's one
that's one of the dcias. Okay, so I have a partial We're living an ediocracy? Yeah, that the movie. You know, they they spray the plants of gatorade to hydrate them. You know, it's got electrolytes. It's got electrolyts. It's got it's got electrots. It's got electro lights. That's the problem. It's got electro lights. It's Brondo's good for you. I like money anyway. I'm gonna hear more from BPTE in the next segment
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one six three one nine five two seven five zero one six. That's the number to call or reach out to me Charles dot Ocelli on Skype, and I will call you into the show. So be Pete. We didn't get to a lot of headlines because we diverted into Jfkland Jeffrey Epstein discussion Q even for a minute. I have plenty of stupid questions people ask on the internet. UH, if you want to go there, we could go to UH the latest posts from Coast to coast am which include what crop circles, mysterious
orbs being found or photographed? Excuse me? Mostly in Central and South America? What else is happening? Oh? By the way, something strange occurred. And when I went to a substack and subscribe to it, I was asked to sign up for and did sign up for Egene Carrol's substack. So you are really you're really a bored individual, aren't you? I, B Pete, tell me you're not going to be tempted by this. It is an advice column. Are you ready? From Aging Carol? That's what it
says. I don't know if it's really her, but it's ask Egen is the substack, and I'm not gonna give you get the guys the lake I had to it came up. Weirdest thing. There was all these crazy things that I decided to sign up for on substack, right, including one written by a friend. And I said, okay, well I'm gonna, you know, support my friend here, and I signed up for it. And you know how afterwards it says, look, if you like that, you'll
love these, sign up for these three substacks. Right. Have you ever done that? B Pete? Do you go on substack every now and then I get lost. I spend more time. I'll see one, then I'll go here, then I'll go there, and the next thing I know, four hours is gone and I'm sitting there going that's four hours. I'm not getting back, right, But that's my point. That's the way it's designed, right, that you go from one to the next to the next,
because there's related stuff. Let's just say, all right, theoretically, if you went over there to go look at Jefferson Morley, all right, cause you're like, well, I'm into the JFK assassination. Let's check out the JFK facts guy. Right, So you go over there. The next thing is it'll suggest to you, David Talbot, it'll suggest to you. And and I'm somehow signed up on substack. By the way, I've never written a single line on there, and I've got followers, but anyway, I'm
thinking of starting one. Because you get on there and the next thing you know is you run through elaborate they suggest and for every one of these things you click on because you want to read it, or you want to read the free sample or whatever, they will suggest three others. And I saw Egen Carroll, and I had to do a double take. I'm like, Egene Carol, what the hell is she doing on substack? Right, it's an advice column. Now, either that's somebody else with that name, or
that is the eging Carol. I don't know what. Well, just cruises. See if she's got to posts about the trial and all that, you'll know who you're dealing with. Well, no, because I send her an email. You know it's I'm gonna have to send her an email because it's ask Egen Carol. So she takes questions and she publishes the question and then answers it. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm wondering how some people make money
off this crap. You know, you look at the number of blogs, and you look at the number of podcasts, and you look at the number of substack and it's like, how in the hell is there that much money out there that people can be making money off this crap. It's like YouTubers and and monetization on some of their videos. You're sitting here thinking, you know, how hell this this equal value in today's society. There's so much of it out there, How the hell can they I don't say how people
can make it, Well, that's what I don't. But they do. Yeah, but they're making figures some of these people. Yes, but that's what happened to me in the podcast world. BP. You got to understand about Okay, when I started this show, there was not that many of us. And every month, millions of podcasts have been launched, okay since I started my show. Now, I'm not saying that, you know, a lot of them lasted. Some of them lasted ten episodes and went away,
some of them lasted two episodes and went away. But there have been so many launched, okay, that there were businesses built on this. You know, there's there's you know, your real easy podcasting apps, and here's your equipment, and there have been businesses launched on this. And there is a select number of people out there that do pretty well, you know.
And again I point to somebody like James Corbett who said, you know what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna charge my readers a dollar one dollar a piece. And and I understand this formula because if you have a fair size audience and they give you a dollar each, you'll do just fine. I mean, if I could transfer my audience into giving me a dollar apiece. I wouldn't have to ask for donations ever. I'd be doing just fine. I
would I would literally triple my income right now. If every listener out there gave me a dollar too much, then apparently too many people have too much disposable income some of the craft that they're paying for out there and supporting. You wonder, how, Andy, what is it about? I mean, some of these podcasts I've listened to. After five minutes, you're asleep, and it's like, dude, you know, what is it about this podcast? Is it? Is it the fact that it's so boring that it becomes
a meme in itself? I just don't get it. You go just go to iHeartMedia and start looking at the number of podcasts available. Yeah, I know, and it's like, how hell did you choose one? And I'm lost in the list. Right So, I'm in the top three percent of news and information podcasts and I'm nowhere near the top one hundred, the top five hundred, the top one thousand, the top ten thousand. I don't even break the top ten thousand. Okay, but three percent, And that
tells you something, doesn't it? But I'm in the top three percent. Okay, so and I'm not. I'm not considered a noteworthy show at all. You know, the the Alt Media Awards, the Podcast Award, the Podcast Awards don't even recognize this show half most of them don't anyway. And you know, it would take a third party to it would take a listener to submit me, and nobody's ever submitted me for an award, according to
them. So there it is. I mean, okay, fine, But what's funny is that there are people that yeah, if you can, I mean, think about this though, BPTE. If you could get let's just say, three thousand readers or listeners right one way or the other, and each one of them gave you a dollar a month, I mean, would you be happy you could? You could live off of that, right or at least? Yeah, I guess. I mean, okay, so imagine this. You got ten thousand listeners and half of them give you a dollar
a month. Now you got five grand a month. How about that? I could do better where I'm at. Okay, you're doing better where you're at, but this way, you would be doing a podcast for a living. So you know, to be honest, though, should be able to crank out the material to have a successful Well, most of these people are doing what two three times a week? Most of them are doing once a week. I know a lot of them have every day but you know, daily podcast. But a lot of them do a couple of times a week.
Yeah, some of them are doing together together. It's you know, time I don't have. I can see where it could you know, be profitable if you had something to say. But the amount of clap trap out there, yeah, and just pure bull crap is amazing. It's just amazing what people will listen to. Well, but that's what the yeah plumbes me.
It kills me. And as far as YouTube goes, look, the formula there is not have your listeners donate, even although they have a model for that right where your listeners can sign up and then they get you know, special access or you do shows just for the chosen listeners who are signed up or whatever. And yeah, but you realize most of the people doing that are doing it on a different platform like Patreon or something like that. Well, no, they can do it right through YouTube. Number one.
Number two, No, you can add commercially. The majority of the majority of people that I'm seeing now have gone over to Patreon or some other platform for financing almost all of them. Hey, you know, thank you for coming to my YouTube channel, but if you want to support the blah blah blah, go to my patreon. I mean, it's it's becoming more and more. Yeah, because you know, well, just how bad YouTube sc
people over for a moll to go to Patreon. Well, well you know why, I'm gonna explain to you why right now, because YouTube went to a see it used to be that they paid you something like a penny every time somebody viewed your video, right now. That was back when they were
paying well, when they were building the platform. Now that it's so saturated with stuff, and like you said, there's people that do stuff daily, or there's people that do stuff, you know, once or twice a week, all right, and then they have a special feature once a month just for their members of their channel or whatever. But through the commercials, they
pay you a fraction of a penny. So if you say, get you know, a penny for three views or five, say you get you know, a fifth of a penny for a view, and you get a million views on each video you do, and you do two a week. I mean, it's not bad, you know what I'm saying, It turns out, but then they add on, Okay, you guys want to tell me what usually they do Patreon or you know, buy me a coffee or something. And what they do is then they let the listeners participate and vote.
Okay, you guys, tell me what you want me to do for the next review or for the next whatever. And yeah, why not? I mean there's every kind of fan service. Imagine anything you could be a fan of. There are fan channels for it, right, there's you know, breakdowns on movies, breakdowns on TV shows, breakdowns on toys, on products, on you know, think about it bum line. Bob does that thing
with Uncle and Aaron. But his whole thing is I buy cheap booze and I tell you about it and I drink it and I tell you what it's like and I show you the can and I tell you it's a good thing to get. This is a limited edition. They came out with a new flavor. And that's all he does. Right, Why not? There are enough viewers? Apparently, there are so many people watching so many different things
and listening to so many different things. Yeah, there is support, but also you drown in the sea, you know, I mean, how many of these news talk shows are there? There are thousands that are out there, and there's you know, one hundred new ones a week at least. Anyway, you want to read the stats and stuff on pod. But heyway back to this Egen Carroll thing. Ask Egen Carrol. So I got the latest one in my out of my email here randomly pulled, guys, This
is a ask Egen Carroll question. One of the first things that go when a democracy begins crumbling? Are women's rights? Women? Okay? With an exclamation point? Are we actually gonna let this go on happening? Are we gonna stand up? Question mark? Will we protect our rights over our own bodies in November? Question mark? Or succumb like adults? This is a question to eg and Carrol. Her answer, we have a lot to do. Brave and beauteous, beauteous, b e A U T e O us
reader exclamation point. And meanwhile, I am deep, deep, deep into your brilliant and moving eighty one word memoirs, and I will report soon. Ask Egen Carroll is a reader supported publication to receive new posts. You think that's the e gen Carroll pp. Yeah, sounds about like it. Okay, I was just checking seriously, it does. It sounds exactly what I respect to say. It's like a verbal fart. Okay, by the way, was that even a question? Wait? There was a question in there,
right? Let me just double check that right where these middle aged white women, the liberal white women, got nothing else to do but send questions to E. G. Carroll. If you find out that your wife has sent a question to E. G. Carroll, you need to find her a job or something to keep her occupied. Yeah, okay, are we going to actually let this go on happening? Double question mark? Are we going to stand up? Question mark? Will we protect our rights over our
own bodies in November? Question mark? Or circumb like doults? I guess that is a what do you call that when you add on to a question? I forget anyway, So yeah, I guess there was multiple questions in that question to ask Egen Carroll? And how many answers were there in the reply to one? I'll get you later. We have a lot to do. Brave and beauteous reader? Is beauteous a word? Yes? Beauteous is a word, because I tried to say beautymus was a word one time and
I got shot down. Okay, but beauteous is a word. Yes, it seems like one of those made up words. Let me say it's one of those words that people use to sound pretentious because they are pretentious and they're pricks. Okay, beauteous, Okay, yes, there is a dictionary definition, but there's beauteous literary beautiful, the beauteous bride. Why not just say beautiful dumbassy, because that doesn't make you sound pretentious and like a prick.
Beauteous. I gotta use that. I gotta use that just to see the look on people's faces. In South Make and Georgia. That's rather beauteous. I want to see if somebody smacks me in the freaking mouth for that. It's no worse than me using the expression fixing to in a clothing store in New York City and the person look at me like I'm speaking a foreign language, and my wife had to lean over and go, that means he's getting ready to do it. Yes, you needed to translate that in New York.
Yes, I was kidding. Trying on a coat. If we walked in this store, they had they had coats on. You know, I had all their coats were on sales, so I walked on. I was looking for a jacket, something lightweight that we could take for walking around Manhattan. But you know, if you took it off and get tied around the waist or something, you didn't have this big, heavy coat. So I'm
trying on this jacket. The guy comes over and says, now, we've got some other styles up at the front of the store that are also on sale. And I said, yeah, I'm fixing to go try them on, and he looked at me. My wife over, he says, she said six and two. That means he's about to go and try them on. Yeah, So we walked outside. Wait, now we get done. We walk outside. I bought the coat. It was a nice jacket.
I love it. We walk outside. We're standing there and while I'm looking to the left, my wife on my right side elbows me and starts pointing to the right. And I look and there's a cart on the corner and the guy is selling roasted ears of corn, which are sold by the dozens in downtown Manhattan every day and these people are standing there, not on corn on the street corners. He goes, and they think we're Higgs. We turn walked off. I'll tell you some I can imagine that scene and absolutely
believe your story. And then that is not made up. I'm sure. I'll tell you that. I laughed, she says, and they think we're Higgs. Yeah. Well, the weirdest thing to me was, look, the fixing to thing. I got exposed to that when I started talking to people from Louisiana, and I mean that was like there was a bunch of sayings like fixing to that I got used to. And then I moved to North Carolina, and uh, I had to learn a new translation for something
that I thought I knew what it meant and I didn't. And that was this whole blessed bless their heart deal, Oh bless your bless his heart. Yeah, bless his heart. And I'm going, okay, because I assumed, stupidly, because I'm from Jersey, I assumed that means, you know, just like the the good God thing here, you know where it's like, okay, so you're just throwing blessings, have a blessed day. Uh, you know, I bet you hear stuff like that out of people in
the South. Uh. And women will call you a sug on occasion, right, and I go or hun and they don't mean a damn thing by it. It's just it's a nicety. And so I thought to myself, well, that's just a nicety, that's just you know, well, you know, bless you, which I had heard in ecumenical circles, right, people who were of the cloth one way or another would just, you know, simply throw out a blessing to somebody randomly because they just were struck by
the urge to throw it at them. They felt like they could use it, and even if they couldn't, they could still use a blessing. And so it was just a feel good sort of thing. And when I heard bless your heart, I thought, oh, that's just a like, will bless you my child. You know, something good just happened, and even if it didn't, I want you to feel good, So I'm gonna make you feel good. And then I found out that it actually means if you
had tournative trucks in Jersey, you'd have just fallen off one. Yeah. Well, it was about six months after I moved to North Carolina, and I went, huh and I heard this statement and it went in my ear and I went, but this guy that you're talking about is a freaking moron. Why does her? Why are you blessing this moron? And uh? And and the lady looked at me and she smiled real big, and she went, oh, you don't know what that means. And I said, no, I don't you know. Yeah, And so apparently I had to
be educated that this basically means. No, that's that's a freaking moron. Bless his heart because he ain't got no brains, basically, she said to me. I said, oh, damn, you know so. But fix is just a very polite It's just a very polite way of saying, may God bless you because you are too stick to make it on your own. Yeah, pretty much. That that was the other way it was explained to me. But like I told you, the first way, it was like,
well, you gotta bless their heart because they got no brain. And I said, oh, okay. So in other words, in Jersey we just go, what are you freaking stupid? I mean that that that's what we would say. But here, bless his heart, Okay, that does sound more polite, all right, I can go with it. It's that it's that genteel mindset of the South, you know, oh, the the the the genteel side of being a Southerner, that politeness, well exactly could. It's it's what was the old saying? Is? What was it?
What was the saying? Something about somebody wanting directions to hell? And you show them how you know, actors being able to tell somebody to go to hell, and then you know, enjoy the be sould. I forget how it goes, but that's the way the South is. You know, they just came up with polite ways to say you're a dumb ass. Yeah, that's a real polite way to say you're a dumb ass, exactly like I said. In Jersey wouldn't be polite at all. It would be the question
that that that's that's that's how we do it. In Jersey. You ask the question that's clearly rhetorical. What are you stupid? Have you lost your mind? These are the questions you asked, which is a rhetorical question. It means obviously you're nuts, Obviously you stupid. Uh, And that's about as polite as a gets but down here. No, there's that, and then there's also uh oh man, I was just thinking of this a minute ago, and now I lost it. But it was something else that's like
super polite. Uh that that goes. Oh the other thing. I also never in my life, until I was in North Carolina got called mister chuck because that confused me as well. It was like mister chuck, mister chuck, mister chuck. That's you know, I've tried to When I was little, we lived in New Orleans and my dad knew a guy in the Navy, and when my dad got out, eventually we went to New Orleans. He started working with this guy to a printing factory. In fact, it
was the company they printed lifting te boxes and perhaps blue ribbon cats. Oh perfect. Yeah. So he was one of the mechanics, you know, helping up print and presses and things like that. And his kids always called my mom and dad mister So and mister Bob and miss Ellen. Okay, so, I mean that's the way they always mister Bob. You know, they would ask him a question. Well, we were always taught to call somebody by their last name mister so and so, you know, mister Smith,
not mister Joe. Yeah. I don't know where it came from, but it's a thing now. But even at work today, now, some of these work crews, the younger guys, you know, these guys have been running equipment all their life out there on the farm. They come to work for these contractors and they'll do the same thing. They'll call me mister by my first name. Is just a habit, and I don't know where
it originated. But if you're in the South and you're around a group of people, somebody's going to call you mister your first name, yeah, or miss just a thing, or even miss or missus because they do that to Kim miss Kim, and I go, miss Keil, Why is she miss
Kim? But she's miss Kim pets. I don't know where it came from, don't know the origin of it, but if you're in North Carolina, you're gonna hear it and it'll throw you off the first time here, you know, you think about it, well, yeah, that was mister Smith and he runs, why there, mister Bob. You know, it's just it rolls off the tongue. It's a standard thing. Now. I did a double take because I was like, what did you just call me? Because I heard, you know, I heard Chuck in there, but I
heard something else, and I was like, what mister Chuck? Okay, what is miss mister Jack? You can be you can be sixty eight years old and married four times, they're still gonna call you miss Ellen yeah, or miss Mary. See the first place I saw that, now that this is gonna sound crazy too, I think it was on the TV show Dallas,
wasn't it wasn't there somebody on there? They called her miss whatever and her first name and that was like the whole way they refer miss Ellie, right, and Ellie was her first name, and her last name was Ewing because she was part of the Ewing oil thing, and she was miss Ellie. That's the first place I ever heard of it. But I just thought it was a quirky thing on the TV show. And like I said, I never heard it before until I lived in North Carolina for a while and
I went where the hell did that come from? And it's continued on as I've gone into the South. In every state, it seems like you are mister or miss first name, it's her first name. That's just the way, like I'm mister Chuck. And you know, it's one thing when kids do that to you, because it's like, okay, well maybe they never heard my last name, you think, right, and they got mister chuck. But no, they will call you that. And I always thought that
that was like and they're being polite. I always thought it was polite if you called somebody, you know mister or miss their last name. I think it's I think it's also a respect thing. I mean they really, I mean item was growing up, but down south, you see it apply, right, It's a way to be respectful for someone. I mean. And usually you call somebody by their first name like that. It's somebody that you know, you're around, you're familiar with, you work with, their hanging
around your family. You know, it's somebody you've got to be close enough to be able to call them by the first name. But you always put the mister or miss in front of it. It's like the people. So it's like familiarity but with respect. Yeah, all right, So like Frankie's friends, they all will call me when when when he has friends over what, I am mister Chuck. That's right because respect by calling you mister. Okay, but they put you, you know what, they call you by
your common name. It's it's just it's just a way of being polite and respectful to elders. Well, okay, fair, See Now, when I was a kid, though, it would not have been acceptable to even use the adult's first name, right well, you would have called him mister. I would have been mister Olly in that case, right, excuse me, you know, and I had to learn that, you know, as you can believe me, as a kid, second you meet somebody's mom, you
would you would say, you know, we'll miss this. And of course, in the generation I grew up in a lot of times they'd be like, oh no, no, no, my last name is different than this, or you know, my last name is different than your friends here. I'm actually, you know, maybe that's how that got started because of the divorce rate. What do you think of that? Is that the possiblity? No, because it's usually more of a it's a it's a it's a young
elderly thing. Like on the job site, the guys that are my age that work for these other companies, we all call each other by our first name. It's just the younger crowd. It's the way they're brought up. The younger they show respect. Yeah, you don't. You don't hear from people your own age. It's always the you know, the guys in their twenties are below that refer to guys in their forties are above as mister as right, what their first name? Okay, that makes sense, But it's
weird with with women because it's different. Right, women, you could be miss whatever, just it would be miss whatever, no matter how old you are. Yeah, right, okay, so I am catching this all right. We at least I understand the rules, but I still don't know where it came from. But it was not a thing, do I. Yeah, it wasn't a thing when I was growing up though when I was, I swear to you, when I was growing up, it would have been unacceptable for somebody, you know, for a kid, but mister chuck.
It would have been no mister chuck. It would have been no chuck about it would be the thing. Though I was, you know, I was brought up, and I never heard it until we moved to North Carolina. Although my mom was from North Carolina and her family, we didn't you never were in a position to hear it unless you lived here, okay, because it's just a common, everyday thing. But like my mom taught us, you refer to him as mister mister O'Kelly, not mister Chuck. Right.
It was only when we moved to New Orleans, and I mean like the first and second grade, and I finally went, yeah, how come he called you mister Bob and I got to call him mister to and Zoe. He's explaining, it's just a Southern thing, so it's something you get used to. But I never heard it anywhere else. So we lived east coast, West coast, and the middle of the wild call it midwest, but Utah, Colorado, you know that area there. Never heard it anywhere else
except here in North Carolina. Yeah, but it's it's a thing. It's definitely why and it's a thing in Georgia, I assure you, uh, you know, because I am mister Chuck all of a sudden, and I'm like, wow, how did that happen? Anyways, I know that that's one of those like redundant sort of kind of conversations. But why not, let's explore the language. Let's explore anything you got any other news you want to bring up or anything. B Pete. No, I was just looking
through some headlines. There's really a whole lot going on other than little piddley stuff that's not even really hardly worth mentioning it. But right, yeah, unemployments up now to a ten month high. We're starting to see the effects of some of the economic policies you know, that are catching up with us. And inflation went up another three percent last quarter. Oh no, no, it was. It was high when when Biden came in, but it's you know, even higher now. Well, the economy is doing well.
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait, everybody's telling me the economy is doing well, be Pete. It's well, it's it's fine, it's getting healthy, everything's eating up. It's good. Yes, that's why. That's that's why twenty five percent of the population skips meals now because they can't afford them. Yeah, yeah, economy is doing great. Yeah, but according to all of our media, the economy is doing very well. Be Pete, what's wrong with you? Uh? I mean that's why I've heard
some Wait a minute now, some office I forget who it was. Was it the Fed? Yes, it was the Fed? This last time. Some Vickering was coming out from behind the scenes or something where they were accusing the Biden administration of pad and the unemployment numbers and that they're not legit.
So if they're at a ten month high, and you factory in those that have gotten out of the workplace, most of these new jobs at it or people taking second and third jobs, or their jobs are being given to illegal immigrants, and you know, white people ain't working and that's ticking people off. So no, you had economies just where the Libs want it to be. I see, all right, so this is where it should be where
Quite frankly, I don't know anybody who can actually afford. You know, the only good news about any of that nonsense, in my mind is that you know, some people are going to maybe slim down a little because everywhere I was going for a long time. It's a discussion. I heard the other day somebody brought that up, and where was it, I don't know. They made the comment, well, the people are eating less, won't that help the obesity problem? When are we going to see the Biden administration
taking credit for obesity going down a year because people can't eat? Right? That's what I'm waiting on because that's about where this is going to go. Well, at least you're not obese anymore because you're hungry. I mean, well, look, and the fact is that's not going to work. And I'll tell you why it's not going to work is because the only food anybody can afford is crap now, So we're all gonna eat crap. We're all going to be fat and also at the same time nutritionally deprived. So if
he is, though, we can't afford the crap anymore. We've gone from the from the McDonald's dollar menu to ramen noodles, right, there's no in between. When when all of these fast food companies have to come up with, okay, we've got to do something to be able to bring back the five dollars meal, It's like, dude, what could you possibly put in
a five dollars meal? It's going to be worth eating because you're basic, Well, you're basic cheese or hamburger, fry and a drink who we used to get for under a dollar, all three items together with tax under a dollar. Now it's going to cost you eight or nine bucks. In most municipalities, at a minimum, eight or nine dollars. See for me, what are you going to put it in there? Just worth five bucks? Yeah right, good good chicken nuggets and a six ounce drink. You know
what I think? God, you know what I think they're gonna start doing, because now they've got like these little mini pizza cupcakes, you know that they're trying to sell. One of the chain is doing that. I think the next thing they're going to do is be like, you know what we should do. Everybody just eat dressed up French fries and that's it. Like it'll be that'll be your your your five dollars meal. We got five dollars worth of French fries for you, and maybe disco fries will be sold at
the McDonald's now right hey, we put gravy and cheese on them. It's a whole meal right there. Yeah, gone are those days. I mean those were a dollar ninety nine and two ninety nine. Those meals you're talking about for a dollar. I remember those at two ninety nine. Across the board, you know, you either got two or you got a big sandwich and a fry and a drink two ninety nine. Then they started reducing the sizes and then they said, well, look, we'll offer you the giant
size, but you got to pay a couple dollars more. And that was fine. But now if you and I go and try and eat for less than twenty dollars at Burger King, we got a hard time. A twenty dollar bill, don't make it, didn't hang it up. I went to McDonald's. Let's see, I stopped. Was it last week? I got? What the hell did I get? I got like a two mcdouble's meal
and didn't upsize anything. I spent seventeen dollars, and I thought, if I'm gonna spend seventeen dollars at McDonald's, I'm gonna go spend twenty two and get a damn steak. To hell with this? Yeah, I mean, if I'm gonna spend that much at lunch, I'm gonna sit down and have a damn steak, salad, baked potato, and drink and get out of there for twenty two bucks. You want to hell of them off? Better?
Pick? Yeah? No, you might as well. It makes no sense you know at this point, I look, I get it, everything is up, and God help you don't ask for bacon or cheese. But still one would think that there would still be some middle of the road, But like you said, no, it's either the overpriced Ramen or the overpriced you know, you want an actual meal, good try it, you know. I just I've yet to see anything come down. You know, I used to use the old pizza index for inflation at food line, and it's
gotten so out of whack that it's not even a good indicator anymore. You used to get three like it was either Red Barren or Tombstone, one or the other was on sale every weekend, and you'd get three for ten bucks. Yeah, okay, then it went up to like three for twelve bucks. Right now it's like two for nine bucks or two for ten bucks. Dinky old twelve inch pizza. So a good example is Speedway, which you and I stopped at a couple going to Dallas, and they usually have pizza
deals and things like that. Used to get a whole pizza for six bucks and it was a decent pizza. Then the price went up to seven bucks. Right then they went up to nine bucks. Now they have a special pepperoni pizza with an adig meat on top of it. You're gonna pay over ten dollars for that pizza that you used to get for six bucks not six months ago, right, and no drink. It's ridiculous, and no drink or anything. No drink. See. That's the other funny thing is those
mcdoubles. Right, a little while ago they were a buck and then they were a buck twenty nine. Yeah, and now it's buy one, get one for a buck. Yeah. You spend your three p fifty initially just to get the second one for a dollar you're paying, you know, comes out you're paying two twenty five each for what used to be a dollar.
Right, So everything has doubled except guess what your wages? Right, I mean, that's the only thing that hasn't doubled unless I'm crazy, and you know, well, you know, it was funny right after COVID when when people were going back to work and could pretty much name their price, and people, i mean companies were dying for employees to come back. So it
was great for the worker. You're going to see wages rise. And it's like, yeah, but late six months, all this money that they threw out here during COVID's getting ready to start circulating, and what's that going to do? Is going to throw inflation through the roof. Now where you were
up maybe two or three percent, now you're back twenty four percent. Well, and the other thing is they they fired, one way or another, all of those service workers pretty much that they brought in at the higher price, and now they've scaled back. See they brought them up to fifteen eighteen dollars an hour in some places, right, and now they've found ways to get rid of those workers, you know, change them out and bring in guess what, the ten dollars worker again. So the wage in California though,
they just fired ten thousand McDonald's employees. They took a survey of the franchises out there, ten thousand employees gone because fast food workers now have to be paid twenty dollars an hour, ten thousand people out of work overnight. Yeah, but it didn't stop them from doubling and tripling the price of the meal. You see what I'm saying. I'm just getting that absolutely wrong.
Okay. Look, everybody says, well, you don't want to pay that much for your fast food burger, but they were jacking that up before they jacked up, you know what I mean. So I don't get it. And also even at the time when that burger was a dollar, I was asking the question, what in the hell is in the burger to make it a dollar? Because you know, I mean, is it just because you're buying it? Oh? You look at the well, you look at the
profit margin. You know that one patty of meat might cost them twenty two cent, the bun might cost them a nickel, the co coundavents altogether another ten cents, so there was a profit margin built in it. But you tell me what the hell's in that burger? Now that it sells for three dollars for a regular hamburger at McDonald's, there's not three dollars worth of materials in it. So where in the hell's the three dollars? Well, the
same where did it go? Yeah, well, the same place that it went with the coffee, because coffee used to be you could sell it for a dollar and it was the cheapest investment when it came to food, you know, and food service, coffee was I mean, I remember going through this in the nineties going, damn, coffee is the highest profit margin thing you could possibly have. I mean, you know, I was selling so
out gums. Yeah, but that changed, you know, it went to Fountain Drinks because you were paying only so much for a thirty five gallon can of syrup, and for what they were charging for drinks, a damn drink now is three bucks, right, but they were giving us five and ten gallon boxes. You know that we could make you know, five hundred cups
out of that thing for twenty dollars. I mean it was like you were paying you know, a nickel for the cup and a nickel for the stuff in the cup, and then you could charge a dollar and you were making good money. Uh, that was about the equation. Maybe it went up to ten cents on the cups if you got better cups, but either way, it was still pretty good. You know, you got fifteen twenty cents
worth of stuff and it's going out for a dollar and everybody's happy. And now, yeah, like you said, three dollars, please, can you get a drink for less than three dollars? You know? Yeah? I think about two liter bottles, you know, every major bottling company out there. You could pull into a fast fair, you could pull into a car gas station a quick markigg nine liter bottle, Yeah, Piggly with grocers ninety nine cent two liter bottle. What are they now two forty nine, three
forty nine two? Well, I show the same thing, average price two seventy nine near me. Yeah, and you have something to us. We used to spend nine nine cent on every day of the week. Is you couldn't slay a cat for hit the store didn't have nine to nine liter bottles, right, And if it wasn't coke, it was pepsi. And believe me, I used to shop and go, okay, so this one's on sale, I'll get it. I'll get this one this week. I just needed my caffeine. And you know, I'm a soda drinker, so you
know I'm well aware price and it's insane. And the funny thing is I thought it was crazy. And this is one of the mistakes I made in convenience stores when they first introduced red Bull, and I said, I am not gonna, with a straight face try and charge people three dollars for an eight ounce can. Uh. I always had this idea that you don't make high priced things land in your convenience store. It's just a bad idea.
Oh exactly. And now what you're paying, you get them on special at Speedway for two for six Bucks. Yeah right, even now when they're on special, but eight ounce cans for three dollars, I'm going, who the hell is going to pay that? And they did, you know, I mean I fought going to the dollar twenty five on the twenty ounce bottle. You know, in like nineteen ninety nine. My ex father in law he was rather up in the age when I married his daughter, and he was
sitting there one day just taking a hit. I said, what is it? He says, I would never think in my lifetime that I would see water more expensive than gasoline. Oh yeah, way more. And that's when you know the water craze was really getting big, and for what they were charging, he said, I just can't believe I'd ever seen that in my life. Well again, when we were children, that didn't exist. You know, bottled water was for rich people. You know, they got their
special waters, right, they had their mineral water. And then this brand was it Avion, I think it was came out right and it was like, oh look, specialty water, that's for rich people. And nowadays even Walmart sells you bottle every place. Well that's like outside of Moxwel, which if you know about where Winston Salem is Is it's you know, just a little bit west of their. La Blue came in and dug three massive wells and started bottling water and people would pay a fortune for it. They that's
back when bottle services at offices were pretty big. And then they started putting it in individual half liter bottles to selling the stores. Right, And it's like, dude, and all it is is well water. You're paying for Davy County well water. You can get that in Davy County for next to nothing if you dig a well. You know, it's not anything special. Well, people were paying out the notes for this stuff. Well, it was hilarious when when when Coke and PEPSI decided to, uh, you know,
go into the bottled water business. Uh you read it and it would say from a municipal source, you know, like I remember when it was when it was introduced and it was like high end. It was like everybody called it spring water because the idea was it was coming from a natural spring, so therefore maybe you should pay for it because it's clean, it's better
than the drinking water that you have. And I understood that. And Poland Spring was one of the biggest names, right, They were one of the first ones to really go out there and sell the big bottles, you know, the five gallon bottles that that people had to put on top of the
water machines in the offices and all that. And I said, well, I can understand that, but then when you saw like, oh my god, what was it Disani and uh, I can't remember Pepsi's water, but Pepsi had a water name too out there, and the two of them came out Pepsis. Isn't that not heavy? And who did they bought? No, it wasn't Avion went I think Avion might be gone now, but uh, but they had they had a bottle of water too. I can't remember the name of it. But either way, if you read the bottle,
it's like from municipal source. So basically what they're telling you is we put tapwater info Aquafina, that's it. And yeah, municipal source said right on the bottle. And people were like paying more for that than they were for the Poland Spring. And I'm going, well, Poland spring is supposed to be from the spring. And then you read the Poland spring bottle and they're like, yeah, well we also combine it with guess what municipal water source.
And I'm going, oh, so you get some spring water, you know, slowly but surely. Yeah, it's well if you think about it. I mean, they were geared up for it because you know, if they're purification process they use in making their drinks, they're just water running regular municipal water. There's this same damn filter system. All of you use a reverse Ossis filter system for their water, right, and they package it.
Although you got to give them credit though, when there are natural disasters, they do show up with truckloads of this stuff donated, so you know, kudos to the companies for having it out there, but got of quick couching us on the price, which you know, and during the eleven you know, when that cleanup started happening in New York City, it was a private businesses, including myself, who were sending palettes of bottled water to those guys
that were digging, you know, digging looking for people. Okay, I'm not saying it's not useful. I'm not saying it doesn't help. I'm not saying it's not a good thing for survival when natural disasters happen and everything else. But it is a weird business to get into bottled water. And that was one of those things that the generation before me seemed to reject outright. It was like, why am I going to pay money for water? And
I went, they will, and I believed in that. So I was one of those people carrying the bottled water because I knew it was going to work. But I did not have the foresight to believe in red bull. So meanwhile, we've kept Chris on the line and we have gone over your executive producer for the extra amount of time tonight. By the way, is Jimmy James, just so you guys know, And let's see Chris, you're
still on the line. And I know we've been around the way a bit here in the discussion, but I open it up to you, my friend, and maybe you'll get the last word here. Well I'll probably give it to be peak, but uh, but you'll get the last word from the callers because nobody else is called in. Three one nine, five two seven, five zero one six. I still got open lines. You call in, I'll continue, but if not, I guess I'm done. Chris,
what's up, man? What what's on your mind? Did we spark any thoughts or do you have some others you want to throw on the table? It did, but you guys covered such a wide array of topics that you know that I'm sorry, we want to give you a lot of choice on thee I locked on the one train of thought. Then, you know, no, no disrespect. You guys have covered so many, so much ground
in terms of talking points. But I will say that, you know, five Men's seven eleven stores for you know, roughly five years, and I would accessful during that period of time. You know, I wasn't fired daring my career. I quit, you know, but I will say, you know, with the price points, the price points of water, I mean the price posts in general. I mean, like, let's analyze how much it costs for one of those times drinks to buy, you know, and
nowadays you can't. You can't buy a super Gold or a double Gulf anymore. You can only buy a big golf yeah, cogress and stuff. You know. Then this ridiculous, Well well wait, where did where did you manage that? Wait a minute, where did you manage seven elevens? Because in New York and New Jersey? You know, I worked in seven eleven and I was fired from A seven eleven. I'll tell that story one day, and it doesn't make me look good. How I got fired from that
seven eleven. Uh yeah, yoie, but uh I got fired from A seven eleven. But I was working there for a bit and I was promised that I would get a manager job, and they never came through on that. But then I got myself fired and it was a good reason for me to be fired. But anyway, seven to eleven had a template and it just slightly varied in different states. So in New York, they they that was the first place they cut off the super big drinks, you know,
the mega big gulp and the double gulp and all that stuff. And I was one of the people that used to go there, was like, hey, twenty cents more, I'll get a double gop screw it, And yeah, yeah, they took that away, so go ahead. Sorry no, I said, hell, yeah, I wouldn't you. I mean, I'll for the double golf most of the big gol for you know, twenty cents more, right, But yes, I wouldn't do it. I was agreeing with you. Sorry, no problem, But where did you manage seven elevens?
Because again I was in I was in Jersey for seven eleven. I wasn't in New York for it, but I knew about the New York problem with the cup because they they took away their cups, like they literally came in and like the south Land Corporation representatives showed up and collected all their bigger cups and made them remove them from the stores. Uh, they didn't even sell them out the adopted but you know, I loven't. Well, I'm gonna Califorida, you know with north central Florida, Okay, And yeah,
you can't go into seven eleven and the on things. The other size, the larger size you can buy the big old Okay, are not a big olf, but yeah, I'm big oflf. I reckon, you can't buy the c there's no option for the cerp gulfs or the double golfs. It's just big OLPs. That's your larger size. Which it actually seems as they've struck them the cup size on those well probably well they made the hot dog smaller too. Now seven to eleven used to have a quarter pound hot dog
as well, which was pretty big. Right. Yeah, circle case has that circle k. Yeah. Speedway was just bought by seven eleven here about six seven months ago, and so now you're starting to see all these seven eleven products in the Speedway stores. But they used to have a quarter pound hot dog. They went down to eighth of a pound normal size hot dog. Circle K now has the quarter pound hot dogs and they'll put them on special two for four bucks occasionally, right, But seven eleven was the king
of just the bulble items. Seven eleven used to have like three teketos for three bucks. Now it's two for three bucks. So that's a fifty percent increase right there. For more than that, it's if you want to buy two tiketos, and I think it's on a small handful of the seven elevens where I live, but you know, it's primarily like Circlet Base nowadays Lace
where I live, right, and you know the all. But you're talking, if you buy two tiketos, you know, whatever you want to call them, you know, and they vary from different chains, but the name varies at least in saying but I mean you're talking. I mean it's two for five, two for six, yeah, man, the yeah, the prices the price has gotten so hot, so ungodly outrageous. It's not even funny. Yeah, No, two two for five, right, two for
five is where I last saw them. And see in New Jersey. What happened, b Pete is wah Wah came and smoked all of those stores by doing stuff like you know, like I said, seven to eleven was the king of the quarter pound hot dog. Wah Wah came in and said, not only are we going to sell this thing, but we're gonna call it the underdog. And the underdog was a huge dog. It was like bigger than a quarter pound number one, number two. They sold them for next
to nothing. They used them as a loss leader, the hot dogs at Wahwah. Right, so you go to the seven eleven. They're charging you a dollar ninety nine for a quarter pound. You could get two of them at Wahwah and they would let you put cheese on it, whatever you wanted, all this other stuff, you know, and they just pounded the seven elevens to death. In most of New Jersey, wah Waws were everywhere. I mean, I lived in a town in Jersey, a small town,
not a big place, but it's blown up since I left there. But when I left there, ten years ago there was a second seven eleven had opened up and probably wasn't going to survive. They had opened up four wa waws in a small town, and they would do this in a bigger town like Tom's River. There must be like eight wa Wah locations, right,
And they pushed out all the browsers, all that stuff. They just crushed them in every place and started pounding the gas stations out, which is I was working for X at one point and we were like, damn, look at what wah Wah was doing. And uh, as a matter of fact, they put out one of the they put out one of the Tiger Marts that was one of my home locations. By getting the town to literally change
their laws. They had a law you couldn't build a gas station within a mile of another gas station in this town called Whiting in New Jersey, which was primarily a retirement town. And wah Wah went in on the weekend and got the town council to secretly put in a new provision to withdraw the law that said you couldn't build a gas station within a mile of another gas station.
And the wah Wah, which was right across the street from my gas station, moved to the other corner and created a megagas station and put the place I was working at out of business right away. Lowest gas price got down here. I never saw seven elevens when I first moved to North Carolina. I had seen them everywhere else we lived all over the US. Yeah, I could. It was one area where you didn't see that tinty seven to eleven. You saw them down at Charlotte. You had a couple in
Raleigh, and that was about it. So then Sheets took advantage of that. You know, usually we had convenience stores that were not necessarily where you also got gas. They would open a convenience store with no gas pumps, and that's when the fast Fairs and the Scotchman's weren't real big. But then Sheets, competing with Wahwah in Pennsylvania, decided to come down this way.
So they trudged on through Virginia and on down into North Carolina. Well, wawah just announced they're going to be building I think it's five stores in North Carolina, and then they planned to expand there. So were you going to see a lot of this? Yeah? Going on now? Is his companies wah Wah is also coming to Georgia. I just saw that and I was
actually kind of happy about it because they sold cheap sandwiches. Yeah. Well, remember we saw Buckis in Texas. They have already they're building two store here in North Carolina. So I guess convenience stores are going to be the new battle ground in this economy. And we see who ends upo. Yeah, well, but that's the thing you go to, like the there's a Loves over here by a truck stop, and it's like the ultimate place. I never seen a place like this before, uh you know, and they
just attach other restaurants to it and it doesn't matter. The place is just this megare big thing. Now you'll see a Loves and you'll see three different fast food joints. You'll see a Subway, a hart Ease, and a and a Bojangles or a Taco Duncan, Donuts, Tacobuncan, Robbins and McDonald's. Yeah. Well, and that was modular construction. And that's the kind of weird stuff they started doing in Jersey, but it didn't work out as well in Jersey. The mega wah wah is what worked out in Jersey and
they they just completely dominate the whole convenience. Which is really funny because you go into Pennsylvania and there is a carbon copy of the wa wah stores and it's the Turkey Hill brand. I know you guys have probably seen Turkey Hill ice cream in a grocery store, but and sometimes you'll see like their lemonade or iced tea on sale, and that's what they were known for, is
you know, cheap ice tea and cheap ice cream and cheap lemonade. Well, in Pennsylvania in certain parts, you might as well just slap a wah wah logo on it because it looks exactly it's exactly the same, the same as a wah wah. I'm looking forward to it because when I saw sheets, I said, oh, this is like a crappy version of a wa
wa. It's not as good as a waa. Let me ask you have you guys say in an increase in the car washes like the South at the manic car washes because here in northern Florida and then they've been sprouting up like on every corner that you could possibly imagine, just like a dugandouts. You
know, that's usually I've seen too these area. Why the problem? Sorry, go ahead, now, it's the automated car wash you're talking about, right, Yes, yes, the automated Okay, because the self there drifter and you know you can spread your car with some air fresheners that you know when you get to the vacuuming station. Right, those types of car washes. Okay, Now that those things they've been sprout up like leads. Now those things usually happen. Let me tell you something that that that that warns
you of. Uh when when I had to study you know, this stuff, and we were studying the demographics of different areas, and this is a little a little bit of the exceon mobile education I got. Is when you see that they're getting ready to do some very serious expansion in that area, you're going to see the population grow and there's going to be probably either a gentrification of a badighborhood nearby, or they're going to upscale some stuff and add
some retirement communities in your area. That's what's gonna happen, is they're going to upscale the population by quite a bit when you see those car washes coming in. Now, I haven't personally used the car wash in a while because we don't have a car anymore. But yeah, the last time that I
went to use one in Georgia, it's still very popular. The uh, you know, do it yourself deal, you know where the coin op kind of situation where you can go through the automated but most of the most of the places devoted to people spraying down their own cars, you know, and doing their own thing and also going to the vacuums and doing you know, just going to different stations and doing different things with coins. And you either got to buy coins for certain stuff or when you get to the vacuum,
it's quarters. So yeah, it's still a coin operating here. They'll think you debit card. Now I have somebody when I moved here. Now this is an old, old car wash years, it's been here for thirty years, and I asked somebody who to take quarters. He said, dude, they take it all. Bill's quarters and cards. They're modernized, even a little old you don't cross roads. Okay, Well, the car I'll talk
about it. They're they're they're you're paying for subscription services. It's a drive a car through it through the car loss and to have the privilege of utilizing the vacuum station. And like I said, you know, maybe they if no one's stolen the the air fresh in the bottle, you can split your car down and you know, then tear you down with that and you know, make it smell nice. And maybe there's an amoral bottle you can spray
it down with that and wipe it down, you know. So it's one of those Yeah, it's one of those key ring joints where you you buy a key ring, right, and that means that you're a gold member or you're a silver member or you're a platinum member or that kind of thing. Not a key ring, well at least not here. I mean, it's all I mean, it's all digital nowadays, you know. Oh yeah, you all the key ring is is a way for you to scan your barcode
so that they know which services you're subscribed to. Yeah, but yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Okay, Yeah, I think you're going to see in a watch there's going to be development in your area. This is what that usually pour tends. When people start investing in those in your area,
it means they're expecting a population boom. No, my areas are screwed because we've been on like the I think we've been a mistaken we were We've been like number three for nationwide for people to move here, you know, over the last five years. I mean no, we're no, I'm I'm screwed testament in terms of people that are that you know, we're surprisingly uh at the top tier in the national list of well living in New York and
New Jersey. I learned one thing, and that is that they can always always stack people on top of each other, because that's what you do. You know, when you run out of space to build on, you build up. And that's what they'll do. Right, Okay, so we can't
build a whole retirement community. We'll build a retirement skyscraper. Will build a building that's a big complex, a singular complex, and instead of you know, being able to rent or sell five homes, what we'll do is we'll have five hundred units in a tall building for retirement people, and we'll make it affordable retirement housing, assisted living. This kind of thing. That's the
sort of expansion you might be faced with. I'm just telling you they're going to expand that population one way or another, even if it looks like it's a great place to live. It might not be after they do that, and the prices will go here about nine years ago check, I'm you know, and at that point, you know, it was a somewhat small country type community, you know, I mean it was it was somewhat underdeveloped.
And I moved up from Sarasota, which was at the point of which I in which I moved up from Sarasota, I mean, Sarrisota have become such a I mean it was way overpopulated, whatever price. But you know, now, you know, since I've been here and when I moved here already you know, and I was already warned. And this is like one of the the top regions in the country, you know for black bear populations. Now I've only seen a couple of black bear you know, but and here
in the last few weeks. You know, if you've brought the news sites in this region, you know, you have people bitching and complaining about seeing black bear, you know, like it shouldn't come to you to surprise to you that we have black bear here there being just place well you know, clearly they're being displaced, you know, Sorry, no problem, I'm actually looking. Now. Look, I don't want you to identify the town you're in, uh, Chris, but you're in Marion town. You're in Marion
County, right, yeah, yeah, Marion County, Califorida. Okay, no problem, Well, no problem. I'm looking over stuff and taking a look at the population and all that, and it's the county seat and all this other stuff. Yeah, they'll still take an area like that, I'm telling you and start stacking people upward. It gets weird. I think you might be in the next few years looking at expansions. Just let me know if that happens, because that's that is the way it was described to me.
This is what happens. Uh, when you see certain trends occur in an area, if that trend is right, if you're right about the car washes, Like when you start to see certain fasts food chains show up, your neighborhood's about to go bad. You know, if somebody builds a KFC and you can't figure out why they did that, watch out because your neighborhood's about to go down the tubes. You know, you start seeing designer nails and you know, check cashing stores move because it's not gonna get any better.
Okay, but with the car washes, I remember that specifically. That was like a population boom is about to happen, and they're making some sort of deals that you might not see on the surface just yet. But once those places are fully established, if they don't close up real quick, it's because they're waiting on increased population for people that are gonna want to clean their cars, which, by the way, is not every neighborhood in America where
people clean their cars. So you got to take a look at the demographics for who does that. And like I said, I brought up the retirement community for a reason. You put retirement communities nearby, you automatic we need some extra car washes. It's just the way it goes. Because old people will wash their cars. It's just a thing they do. I'm not saying you have to be able to wash your car. I'm just saying that you're better off opening it near a retirement village if you can. Because she's been
sixteen eighteen dollars to wash my car. So yeah, yeah, I do have my car washing in now. Yeah, but as we get older, I don't know if because you know, it takes me the same amount of time down there, I got there, I got you well, you know. And there's the other thing, right, is that somebody else will go on the outskirts of town and be like, as screw this, I got the fight out of the car wash over here, And yeah, that happens still. And I used to love those the modules that they put in at
the gas stations. You ever see those little tiny mini buildings that some of them are abandoned now in different parts of the country, like they've broken down and nobody wants to go get the chemicals and crap you got to load into them anymore, so they just sit there abandon and like a gas station will use it as storage. It's sort of like the mechanic shops that all closed up. At one point. It was like, you know, as there
was mechanic shops everywhere, and they went away. And that's because everything's made of plastic and your cars don't last twenty years anymore, so you don't need as many mechanics, right eh. But the price of that has gone up as well along with everything else. So look, we didn't get any new callers for a little while, be Pete. I'm thinking we might bid farewell to Chris for this week, and you know, I'll give you the final word. What do you think should we close this one up? Yeah?
Time to go get something to eat. Yeah, I'm hungry too, But you know, we got another We got another week and it can and we'll just look forward to doing this next week. Maybe we'll have some better news headlines to chew through, maybe somebody else will get indicted, or you know, this is pretty much working out to be the year in the lawsuit while you're projected here the law suit that's still working. As far as I'm concerned, the year of the lawsuit still works. Chris, what's your final word
before I turn it over to be Pete to end this one? You got something you want to add on your way out the door. Well, I'm just gonna really reiterate what I did on last week. So I'm gonna say just, you know, for anybody listening, chock up on the protein grow whatever you can network with the you know something you had you had said on the last week's episode, yep, network with you know, your local ranchers,
your welcal growers. Just keeps up in the prepared I mean that's premitive, they prepared to see possibly can, because there's a lot of stuff coming down to the pipeline, but none of us want to say we're going to see it. Absolutely, Chris, I agree with you, and I'll tell you we are entering a precarious time period here where it is best if you can. And by the way, it's healthier to eat locally if you can. I'm not always about health, especially not now, because quite frankly,
who can afford to eat healthy? I can't. But if you can somehow do it. And if you can work with local farmers, local growers, or grow some things yourself, or raise animals yourself, what the hell, man, it is like printing money, and take a look at the costs of stuff. I mean, the only eggs I can afford to eat cost what's seven dollars for a dozen at this point, you know, because I can't afford the cheap eggs, even though I did see some at Aldi's for
like a dollar and change the other day. And yeah, I was at Aldi's trying to shop because I can't afford the Pigley Wigley, and I can't afford the Krogers. And quite frankly, I'm getting priced out of Walmart now. So you know what everybody's got to eat, and you got to get
your stuff from somewhere. I say, if you can figure out a way to cooperate with your neighbors, eat locally and eat stuff with you know how the animal was treated, you know how the produce was treated, or you grow it yourself in a pot in your backyard, on your ports wherever. Look, man, you're guaranteed saving yourself money if you can make something edible out of the dirt and out of the earth in front of you. So
yeah, at all times, I agree, Chris. We all have to be prepared, and we all have to be in better shape, and yeah, there's ways of getting protein and all that. But quite frankly, we're all in survival mode. And no, I can't afford the fast food anymore either, be pete, not at all. I used to like every once in a while going to one of the fast food joints, at least for my young son who's going to have a birthday toward the end of the month. But I can't afford to do it no more. Man, I can't
afford even a crappy pizza. I can't afford the burger meal. I can't afford happy meals. So you know, I don't know what to tell anybody at this point except if you got advice coming, bring it and bring it to the Friday night open mic. Maybe we can figure some ways out of this crap for each other and advise one another. So b Pete, what is your last thought for the week, and I'll give it to you and
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Friday night show, I will extend it. When we don't have an age of transitions. I'm told Aaron will be back next week. I'm told Uncle, we'll be back next week, so we won't be able to expand it next week. But at all times, I'm always looking for a way to go here and more than happy uh to uh to do more when we can live and take your calls. And the Friday night open mic is your opportunity to be heard. So let's do that. And let's try not just to
be heard, but try to listen to one another a little more. And who knows? Man? You know? Rodney King said it. Can we all just get along? That would be best? But are we gonna stay tuned? I am merely o'helly, all of you are indeed the effect Shelley dot Com Revelation to conversation