The Ochelli Effect 6-13-2023 Donald Jeffries

The o'chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall Street Window dot com and listeners like yeah now ODI check June thirteen, twenty twenty three. Allegedly, according to that thing we call a calendar, this is the show you're looking for. It's Teursday as I speak, live, or Tuesday, the second broadcast day of the week at o'chelly dot com. But due to my continuous run of cluster and migraine headaches, I took yesterday just off, and I am behind on

the podcast, So that stuff is coming out. If you're hearing me live, if you're hearing me via, well, we used to say is it live or is it memory X? That was a commercial from I don't know, sometime before I reached adulthood, I think, but who knows? A guy who's a little ahead of me on the adulthood thing in more ways than one. Author Donald Jeffries is with me. So we're gonna get into not

the news of the day. I could talk to you about the Trump indictment and the circus going on down there in Florida, but I already did Helen high Water with Maria Heller, so I'm done with talking about that for today. So here we go, we're gonna talk about some recent history. And why are we going to talk about some recent history? Because it's absolutely necessary. And I don't know, maybe Don's got a special pal for his chair over there, because that's a new noise. I don't hear the chair yet.

But does the chair have t shirts yet done? The chair has been retiring. People have already forgotten that it had a sifteen and it's the fame. I now have a stationary chair, so people don't even counting that anymore, so they've already forgotten the chair. Excellent. Well, that's the way it rolls. And at I Protest you can find Don Jeffreys show running constantly I Protest through Tony Arterburn's thing over there. What is his network called again?

Well that America Unplugged, America Unplugged. Okay, thank you, and that's one of the main shows. And you still do the I Protest thing via substack right, Well, no, yes, my substack is also called I Protest, and that's I'm asking people please subscribing there. It's Donald Jeffreystone substack dot com. That's the only place they're allowing me to grow Twitter and

Facebook. I'm just shouted and to death over there, but substack, at least so far, it's still a free speech platform, so thank goodness for that. Excellent. And do you have any other video outlets besides rockfin Well, it's I think they're showing it on Rumble now. I haven't figured out

where to go over there. And I live stream I protest and American Plug that we do Saturday at noon with Billy Ray Now on time and Tony Harderburn's kind of a three way thing and there's all live stream on rockfan dot com at American Plug rockfan dot com and also on my YouTube channel, and then we usually have to take it down right afterwards or they'll suspend my account if we're talking about COVID. So depending on what the subject matter is, a

lot of it doesn't last on YouTube. But you still have a Donald Jeffreys YouTube, so it exists, yes, but you got to be careful. Yeah, So I tried being careful with mine. I got away with it for several years, but you know, eventually they catch up to you. So you know, coming soon to a to a goo goo tube near you, probably the banning of Donald Jeffries. But it's okay because rock Finn still allows them to be there bit shoot rumble places like that. You'll still be

able to find Donald Jeffries. Not to mention the fact that he's also an author, and that's one of the things we're going to talk about tonight, because you have a book out on that taboo subject that gets us all in so much trouble, even though you would think it's uh, you know, come on, it should be common knowledge at this point. What's gone on regarding the you know, COVID nineteen eighty four, whatever you want to call

it, agenda Coronavirus Apprentice Season two is about to premiere. We know that via the you know, the various indictments or alleged indictments that are happening in the news, the alleged news. So all that's going on. And by the way, shout out to Billy Ray Valentine, I do have to rerecord apparently, uh my appearance on the Infinite Fringe, which he recorded some weeks ago and now there's a problem with it, so we got to rerecord it.

But coming soon I'll be on the Infinite Fringe with your buddy Billy Ray Valence. And by the way, Billy Ray if you, if you happen to catch this open invite, if you want to come on my show, promote that or Free World FM or anything connected to you. Billy Ray, appreciate you. You might be a little different than me, but I bet you were more alike than a lot of people would like to. Yeah, even though we got slightly different Northeastern accents, we're definitely from the Northeast.

Yeah, So okay, enough of all this, don And we definitely did your plugs in the o'celli style. So it's all over the damn place, and look to the show notes and you'll see where you can find Donald Jeffreys. But let's get to a couple of brass tacks. And first thing is this uh minor bone to pick with you, sir, And I'm gonna do it in public. And yeah, I'm blind siding you with this because I didn't want to do it in private. And I'm not a backstabber of any

kind, despite the fact that some people accused me of it. So I want you to know this. Somebody wrote me a complaint recently that I had not had you on to promote your books or anything recently, and how dare I and I was a bad guy, and you know I had gotten rid of you unceremoniously, and what was my problem with Donald Jeffreys and on and on and on, And this is a guy I've never heard of. Okay, this is a brand new listener to me, but apparently a fan of

yours gave me a bunch of crap. Now, for the record, there is that. I believe you. And by the way, you were already booked before I got this message. Okay, we you were supposed to do last week, and again, my headache was killing me. I called you up a little bit before showtime and said, Don, I'm not in any shape to talk. This is real. This is exactly what happened. I'm not in any shape to talk. Can I schedule you for next week?

You proceeded to say yes, then you forgot about it. So I called you about ten minutes before we were supposed to go live today and said you're ready to go? And you went, oh, that's today. Just just stop me when I'm lying, Don, please, Right's right, and there's always been an open invite here. I have no hostility toward Don. Why did you get rid of them of your network? Well, mister you asked

me that question four times during one email. Um, I just felt as though it was not productive for him to split his time between me and what he was doing with Tony Arterburn. Because Tony arranged a whole website, which is, uh, what is it, Donald Jeffries media dot com something like that. I'm sorry, Donald Jeffries dot Media also will be in the show

notes. So you were doing that, you had a consolidated thing going on there, and frankly, I don't think it was helping o'chelly dot com what you were doing, and it wasn't helping you what o'ceelly dot com was doing. So for the best interest of everybody involved, I said, don I think we'll quit doing this. And you know, by all means, take your theme music, take your archives, do whatever you want, and I wish you well and I support you and I stand with you, you know.

I mean, look, I know this makes some guys uncomfortable, but look, I love what I love. I love this guy. He's a good guy. So it's not that there was any negativity. It's just that it seemed more logical for him to consolidate his efforts with Tony Harderburn, who is doing an excellent job taking care of his setting you up and helping you out and making sure the whole thing stayed together with Billy Ray blah blah, whatever role he plays there, Tony's doing great stuff for you. I was

not able to do the same things. So I felt as though Tony was more helpful to you and I could clear a piece of my schedule to maybe help somebody else. Sure, that's all it is. It wasn't a negative thing. Okay, yeah, so no issues, no issue. But anyway, this guy thinks, oh, you know, you did him and listen. I never did. But I am going to point out something because I

fired back at him. He gave me this whole tirade about how I'm trying to you know, like, oh, you just don't want him on your air, and listen, I said, dude, you know, first of all, let's let's get down to brass tacks. I produced don show for about a year. Um, I did that freely. I never suppressed anything he had to say, and he guessed nothing. Whatever he did, whether I liked it or not, I did it, and I did it to the best of my ability, and maybe my ability wasn't best. Some days.

I might have made some mistakes, we had a couple of technical issues that were out of my control, etc. But I did my level best to produce Don as I produced anybody, including my own show. UM, So there was no negativity. I never had a problem lined up against him or wanted to suppress him. I in fact wanted to empower him and get him out to as many people as possible. Now that being said, Don, here's my bone to pick with you, Okay, Um, Don has

never invited me on any of his shows. Okay, just for the record, well know I not no way. Wait, wait before you defend anything, I want to make this point very clear to mister Donald Jeffries fan who I'm not gonna name, just in case you're using a fake name. Dude.

Don has never invited me on one of his shows. I have never complained to Don about this, but it occurred to me in this exchange back and forth with this guy who I stopped exchanging with because it was annoying, um I, And it was a long email, and I try to respond to all emails. I don't know if you know that, Don, but I try and respond if somebody takes time to write me I, out of

total respect, I write back to them. Okay, So I wrote back to this guy three or four times, making the point that I am in no way trying to obstructor or hurt Don Jeffries in any of his efforts, not at all. Even some of my friends who don't like Don Jeffries, who have said, why are you working with Jeffries? He's this, he's that, he's a trumper, he's a jerk, he's he's an elitist.

He thinks he's this, he thinks he's Why are you remember Pete? We have given me crap about you, and you know what I always do. My friends are my friends. You don't like it too bad? That's the attitude I've taken. And you know this from behind the scenes stuff. Don that if you're my friend, that's a decision that I make. And I take care of my friends as best I know how. But here are these people. I want to hear. Who are these people? They think I'm

an elitist? Everything what's named names? It's so weird. You know what I might say if I didn't, I'll tell you what. I always protect everybody's anonymity and feel as though I don't want to, you know, turn around snitching on anybody. So I've got this mental block against I would share these things with you, and maybe if I get permission. By the way, a jerky guy who I know is going to listen to this, do

me a favor. Listen to this, write me an email and give me permission to share with Don all of your tirades about them and how I was a bad guy to him. Goohead. Give me that permission, and I'll give it to Don. I'll afford all the emails to them. Okay, anyway, enough talking to one listener. Don. So now my question to you, what what? What's the matter? I'm not good enough? Varade protest. I can't do America unplugged. I mean, I'm friendly with Billy

Ray. Does Tony Arderburn hate me that much? Dot? Do you? Are you angry at me? Don? Have you decided that I am so bad? Well? What's going on? Why am I not allowed on? Believe that? Because I want to do this show once a week, I get a lot of I get so many people that are suggesting yes constantly. I have the one Catholic woman who's very good. She keeps giving me these really great guests that are experts on esoteric stuff. I've used some of her

guests. I have other people that, you know, I've kind of become it's almost become a specially these since what happened to my brother. I'm having those kinds of people that went through that a lot, and also people that are being her asked by Child Protective Services because I had an interview with Megan Walls. She was John Walsh of the American Most Wanted Daughter, Fascinating guests. She has a lot to say and she has a big net work.

So through her I heard from other people, Hey, you know, this happened to me too. So I've had several those I usually okay, so I'm not I am not good enough to be on the don I'm trying to I do this all myself. I'm having this or anything. But I don't want that looks up the guests do. I don't have you, and I know I can make it happen. I guarantee you. In fact, I maybe gets able to get you out America Unplug this week, because that's we

don't always have guests there. And I'm sure Billy Ray loves you. I know, and I think Tony does too. He's never say anything bad about you, So I think we can make that happen. Okay, with with all due, with all due everything, I am busting your balls right now because it's fun, but look after them, I'm actually busting your balls to make myself feel better about the wasted aggravation I put with one of your fans.

Okay, because I was trying to, you know, to to to satisfy this dude's outrage and explain to him I didn't do anything wrong for you, and you know, and then he's like, and Don did this for you? And you know, like he's basically presenting to me that you had on me such a huge favor by being on my network, and that just by being associate he loves you, this guy, just by by you allowing me to be associated with you, that you had done such a tremendous favor

that I owe you. And I said, oh, look, look, look I don't know Don nothing as far as I'm concerned. I mean, if Don feels differently, take it up with him, is what I said to them now. But I don't feel as though I owe Don anything and Don doesn't owe me anything. We work together for a little bit, and that is that it is not you know, this isn't like some divorce that happened here and you know, hey, look you kept my tools and I kept the dog, and it's something like that. So anyway, I don't

want you to put me on because now I busted your balls. No no, no, no, that should have happened anyhow. But but you, whoever this fan is, first of all, I want to thank you for being my fan. I'm a names that I have any fans. I still, you know, it takes a lot to get used to. I'm sure it is for you too to know that people actually considers themselves fans. But this is you know, we're wrong to be pointing fair Chuck. Chuck and

I are fine. There's nothing where I'm not bitter at all about. And it helped my and I was replaced parent, you know, basically by Chris Graves who started out as my researcher, and he's kind of taking to this like a fish out of water, and he's basically taking over the Hotelling network and he's taking over all these other podcasts. So I'm glad it opened the door for him. We're we're fine, Yeah, Chris Graves is a monster. I mean, he is just putting out tons and tons of material,

fascinating stuff in his own style, in his own way. Uh. And and I am thoroughly pleased to work with Chris. And really I could thank you for that. Maybe I owe you for Chris Graves, but not really because Chris. I owe Chris Graves. For Chris Graves, he's doing quite well and I appreciate him, and he's doing it with nothing like the rest of us. You know, you come in with a shoe string and you

try and figure out how to make it into a banjo. Okay, this is what happens unless you have money to back you up, and most of us are blessed with that. So Chris has done an amazing job. Really thrilled, really happy, And you know, Chris uh needs to take it easy on himself more than anything, and understand that he's a special guy and he's done some special work here. And yeah, I do have you to

thank for that because he was one of the listeners. You know, you brought over a handful of listeners and he was one of these guys that you brought over that wanted to get involved and did and followed through. So I love the guy. I love your work. I'm not gonna say that. I you know, as per usual, we're not in a religious cult here. I might have my disagreements with some of your work, your conclusions, your ideas, but that's the thing. I mean. If I wasn't,

then what is this the cult of Don Jeffreys? The guy who wrote to me, maybe he would join, okay, because he's really into you, not in a you know, romantic he's going to get obsessed way or anything, but he really thinks that you are one of the most valuable people out there in the alt media land, and um, you know, and says that, you know what, He talks to everybody about you, spreads the

word for you about every single thing. That's how the email started out, by the way, is that he was so angry with me because I had gotten rid of you after like in other words, I got rid of you after He's successfully and I don't see a big numbers jump here, pally, But it's okay, it's okay. If you brought one listener, I'm grateful.

But the thing is he was saying, you know, I brought all these listeners over and then you got rid of Don, and I'm like, okay, look, I'm sorry, but things happened, nothing less forever anyway, right, But it wasn't like I got rid of you and oh Don had to go and you walk the plank over here. You know, those pirate radio guys get serious about that kind of stuff. Anyway, enough of this, because to me, during that conversation, one of the key things

was something that you mentioned just a minute ago. So now we're gonna get back on track, folks. Okay, the thing is, you know I was doing a show with you at the time that you had to endure the tragedy with your brother, and this was an awful time for you personally, and you shared that with listeners, and as far as I'm concerned, I was there to facilitate that, not pressing you to do it and not trying to use your tragedy or anything like that, but I encouraged you to express

yourself as you felt necessary to do. That. That's a very real thing, that's a very necessary thing. And you know what, it was a

risk you were taking, an exposure. You put yourself out there. So anybody that you know, again, you can disagree with Don and you can lack of respect for him on this or that or whatever, but the fact that he is himself, the fact that he's a real human being, the fact that he is somebody who shared his life okay, and continues to do that while he's sharing research and history and his ideas about politics and whatnot. He's somebody who has shared a part of himself. Now I facilitated part of

that. Tony Arterburn is facilitated part of that. But at the end of the day, Don Jeffries has gone forth with his story, his reality, his observations and his analyzation, and he's and he's taken it to the craziness, the madness that we are living in. And one of the things that has been the most maddening over the past decade, one of the things that

you and I together, as we work together a bit. It's not like I'm your you know, life partner, or freaking one of your kids or something, but reality is you and I endured this together trying to navigate through a time of strange psychology because why, well, we had warped speed, the coronavirus apprentice brought us what the shot we had, the the epidemic, the pandemic, the plandemic, the whatever the hell you want to call it, from Wu Han to Woo the hell, what the hell had just happened

was going on, and we navigated that together, and I felt a little rough about, you know, doing the thing with you. That day when you came back, you said, Okay, I'm gonna talk about my brother's story. Here's the way it's gonna go. We had serious talks about that. I said, you, you know, don't feel obligated, but also you don't need to hold back. Do it your way, and I always

encourage you to express yourself your way. Part of that has now resulted, not just the situation with your brother obviously, who you dedicate the book too. In addition to thanking some others at the beginning of the book and all that wonderful stuff there, you thank you your main researchers and others who contributed to what results here. So tell me about the personal motivation of writing the book, and also give him the full title, because I will screw it

up with subtitle at all. Give him the full title, tell them about how to go get it, and let's get into the personal motivation that actually is the inciting incident or the inciting group of incidents or circumstance that led to the natural creation of this book. Title and full title of course, full title and where they can get it. And then let's get into the motivation and roll from there for about a half hour. Okay, it's masking the

truth how COVID nineteen destroyed civil liberties and shut down the world. It is a foreword by doctor Sherry Tenpenny, very honored. She sends some great work on that. I've gotten blurbs from people like Naomi Wolf and Cindy Sheehan, my buddy, Cindy Brady, Susan Olshan from the Brady Bunch, and it's everybody that I've heard from so far. Anyhow, I negative comments about it hasn't been out that long, but lots of people I know reading it and so far so good that yeah, the book was well. Hang on,

hang on really quickly though, in case someone is hearing this. And look, today you happen to learn how to tie your shoes and somebody left a podcast on because you're probably partially brain dead. If you've never heard of doctor Tenpenny, why don't you just give people a cursory idea of who this is. And uh, by the way, extremely impressed, uh you know radio host over year that you actually got doctor tenpenny to write the foreword for this

book, this subject in particular. Could you just give people an idea who she is? Well, she's she's very charming, you know, she's a wonderful lady. And you can't help it like her, and she was early on she was she liked me. And but you know, being in the medical profession like uh, you know her and some of the other Scott Jensen, Andrew Kaufman, uh doctors as well, and people like John Ravocort or they were like and I was right there too, you know, whatever little

platform I have. We she never doubted it, doubted that this was some kind of sidad from the very beginning. She didn't trust the COVID n angle. She's been talking about it constantly, very courageously. You know, you're a doctor. It's it takes twice as much courage when you're inside the industry and outside of you know, people like Peter McCullough, etc. Etc.

Here's the thing about doctor Tenpenny. You should have known, not you don but you the listener should have known her name a long time, because when it comes to if you're listening to this show, you're interested in the truth, you're interested in the alternative from the general conventions. And here's the deal. Doctor Tenpenny has not just joined since the COVID event okay, event two o one, whatever the hell, has not just joined as of that date.

But she's been at it a long time, trying to get the truth, trying to give people real information to work with regarding the dangers, and whether you agree with it or not done by the way, you gotta say that her courage is not a new found skill in her skill set toolbox. This is something she's had for a long time. Could you just speak to that really quickly, and then let's move to your personal motivation about the book,

please. Well, I think she's a you know, of a small minority of people doctors within the medical industrial complex who have always understood that there's corruption there and that they do things the wrong way, that they rely too much on big pharma, especially too much on slash and burn methods, They discount diet, they smear and try to discredit vitamins and a natural substances,

things like that. So I think you know, doctor Henpenny is one of those people that is wise enough to realize that they were wrong about this already, and so certainly so, I don't imagine she had much trust in the medical industrial complex to begin with when this thing burst upon the scene, you know, at the beginning of twenty twenty. And I worked within the medical

industrial complex too, is mostly at it. But I did work in a hospital itself when I was very young, and I saw the sausage being made, and that was when it was much better too. It was a long time ago, and still it was horror stories beyond belief. I may write a book about that one day, but just my experiences are there because I just witnessed a lot firsthand, and even before this hit, so when this production came out, certainly for myself, I was predisposed to you know,

I'm not you know, Chuck, I don't believe anything. I'm very skeptical about everything, and I just assume if it's coming from the mainstream meeting, and they don't tell the truth about anything else, so why would they be telling the truth this time? And certainly the way this was presented, the NonStop fear porn, and and I think what differentiates my book from all the others. Peter McCully, you mentioned the other guy's been on my show,

but he wrote a book that I have. I got to meet him at Naomi Wolf's book launch, and Naomi Wolf, you know, wrote the bodies of others. These are great books. Robert F. Kennedy Junior, so the real Fauci, great book. So Alex Barnson has written some good stuff. He was on Tucker Carlson Lott had the biggest platform of any of us, you know, pretty much. But they were all starting at what I call point D. Nobody was starting at point A in a book. Nobody

hasn't told me. I started the very beginning. I don't accept that there was a deadly virus. So I'm analyzing it. Okay, let's let's start at point A. What happened? What is COVID nineteen. I don't think any of the other people do that, And so if you want to, maybe you'll see something different there, because I go right back to China at the very beginning, and the people supposedly dropping dead in the streets go.

I don't buy that. That's Hollywood written all over it. I don't buy that people were being nailed inside their houses when they had open windows next to them. I don't buy that some Chinese woman was crazed enough to be walking around the streets spinning on door knobs desperately trying to spread whatever this was. And in my book you had the source from China that eventually admitted, you know, early on, well, actually we did include cases of pneumonia and

the flu and so called COVID. In other words, that's what we said it was. It was. It wasn't even anything special. Well and wait, wait just one second, though, because some people might say, Okay, Don Jeffreys winning there with a contrarian viewpoint. But I want to make this very clear. It's actually, although sometimes you do, Don, let's be honest, Sometimes you go into certain circumstances with an absolute contrarian viewpoint on

board. It's factory installed for you when you enter the prey. Okay, that's the way you approach a lot of things. But in this case, I think, and I think by reading the book, I would not have known this unless I started reading your book. But the reality is you're coming at this not from the direct contrarian viewpoint. Now, some people might say I'm like splitting hairs here, but I'm not. It's very important to understand

that Don is coming in as a skeptic on this. I wouldn't qualify you as somebody who was purely anti vax let's say, previous to this situation, not directly anyway, or at least not vehemently. Maybe you had your doubts, you had questions, but you've always got questions. I think that you weren't somebody like me who came in go and look, I already know this stuff is poison, so now I want to know what kind of poison it is. You actually went in with more of an open mind, but with

a bent toward the skeptical eye. So that being said, now I'm going to really shut up and let your roll because this is very personal to you. On top of it being something that you know, it's personal to all of us. Yes, indeed, we were all one way or another affected. I talked to even Billy Ray and that now it'll be a lost episode of the Infinite Fringe about how this has become a issue that even if you tried to avoid it politically, you tried to avoid it socially. If you

followed the rules, or you were picking the rules. You were with the mask, you were against the mask. Here's one thing that's undeniable, the virus as a thing, not necessarily the thing, the disease, the alleged plague, right, not as that particular thing, but as a thing that ripped through society psychologically, socially, causing all these different effects regarding people's business,

et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Unless you were living on a mountain all by yourself, you ended up suffering some sort of tangential effect, some people more severely and more directly than others. And I don't mean by getting sick, Okay, I mean I got sick. I don't feel as though although I got questions about what it did and so on and so forth, I got very sick in twenty twenty. I think you were working

with me at that time. Yeah, And I was extremely ill, and I think I was telling you stuff like I don't know, man, I'm coughing up putting. You know. It was it was rough. It was a rough And I've had pneumonia a few times. You know, I lived on the streets as a kid. You end up with pneumonia brother. I mean, it's just what happens. So I had pneumonia before. This was like pneumonia, but again wasn't so to me. There was a severe flu like thing in the mix. True, but separate from that, okay.

And not even saying that it was this great danger that was going to wipe us out or none of that. I'm just saying that it was definitely the right season and I got more ill than I would have normally gotten ill in any case during that time. But doesn't mean that I buy that the disease in and of itself was reality, Okay, not the way they described it. Just like this poison my word, not Don Jeffreys, but poison that they told us to take to counter this terrible disease was another thing. Okay.

So let's just keep things real clear here. Everybody I think got affected if you were connected to people in any way, whether you had to do business or it was about family, or could you get together on the holidays, or could you visit somebody who died who was in the hospital. Etc. Up. Oh, I'm touching the nerve here. And why am I touching the nerve because again right after and I'm just going to be blunt and

ugly about it for a second. But right after your brother died in the hospital, and during the time when he was still alive, and you and I had a couple of conversations back and forth, and this and that you were being affected, he was being affected. This is something that winds up touching you hard. And I'm not saying that it made any of your conclusions or work any less clear than they would have been without the personal connection,

but I think it had to have contributed to your motivation. So quickly tell us about that and let's roll through it. Yeah. Absolutely, there's As I said, I started out from point eight, so I started running that with this. It's basically two parts. There's two parts to what I call

the greatest scie up in the history of the world. The first part is creating the COVID narrative and trying to convince people through NonStop spear porn, through tremendous manipulation and statistics, lying constantly about the number of cases through a PCR test it's ninety percent false positive again to get so many more cases that aren't they aren't COVID, whatever it is, and through the fact that they had never been able to isolate the COVID nineteen strain. In other words, they've

never proven it existed. So that was the first part. And I include everything that people other people thought. I include the empty hospital videos. I include the dancing nurses because they're part of the story. They created this from narrative and this tremendous fear porn. But at that point I didn't know where the story was gonne Go I said, well this is I dropped it.

I think I was writing more of Hydnistry three, which Chris and others were helping me a lot on, and so I just kind of finished that. It's still hopefully going to be published very shown by Skyhorse. But well, really really fast, you had multiple projects going on. You were doing all of that, which, by the way, I don't know if you caught it, but you mentioned this whole thing about the PCR test that was a controversy in and of itself at the time, but really fast about that.

I had a guy on not too long ago that incontrovertibly with international individuals who were supposed to be experts in virology, so not just the usual suspects out there, who put out an entire documentary I don't know if you saw that, because you're a busy guy. And I know John No, no, no, not Potash, no, no, no, a whole other guy who was this Hollywood producer of sorts who had gone out and put a lot of his own Michael Wallack was his name. I was trying to come up

with his name in my head. Uh, Michael Wallack who did this whole film. He's actually got like twelve hours of film now at this point, but international experts films of the hospitals, uh, from going all the way you know, through Europe into the US, etc. And you know what he's coming up with is none of these you know, alleged tests for like even though the PCR test works for this or that, No it doesn't. No, it doesn't. Actually the whole entire thing that they pushed on that

where it's like, well, this is built upon this science. This is built upon this science, is built upon this science. It's a giant game of Jenga that nobody even bothered to lay the initial bricks on. I don't

know what it's standing on because it's nothing real regarding science. And here's the problem that I think you're going to discover as you listen to Don again, turning to the listeners right breaking the fourth wall, you're going to discover that all the way along the line, there is a game of Jenga going on with all kinds of phantom blocks, and it's called the BS that they're pushing. And it's not just the test, it's not just the disease, it's

not just the blame game. It's across the board or you know what, don tell me, I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist. Sorry to have interrupted. Go ahead. You know, I'd never call anybody that I don't care of the pot calling the kettle black. But no, so I again, I turned out the projects and you said, I didn't know where this is gonna end. I put it aside, and Chris Graves especially was sending me a lot of stuff on the back scene, and I told him to do that,

and I kept notes. I kept it aside, and I said, well, I'm going to revisit this once I figure out what's going on. But this is before my brother. And so then January twenty twenty two, my brother, you know, suddenly goes in the hospital and that was the end. I mean, he was a hypochondriac. He was completely healthy. Asymptomatic, as they tell us. That's the Orwellian term that's become popular now, asymptomatic, which means not sick. So the formerly not sick so but

they've managed to well, you're still sick, you're just asymptomatic. So he was fine, no symptoms. Well he would he would not only be aligned well today. If he hadn't gone to the hospital, he probably would have lived to be a hundred. He was incredibly healthy and he It's just it still tears me up. But he went in January sixth, of all days, one year anniversary. And by the time I found out, he was already anywhere in the middle of the night and called the Ambams, so I

thought I could do so. I knew it was gonna I didn't know that was gonna happen, but I knew it was bad, and I said, oh jeez. And you know, shockingly, he tested positive for COVID, which I knew he would once they found out he wasn't vaccinated, and they fast tracked and they gave him even though I told Andy, quarantine you say, you don't get to see I didn't say him for two weeks and I

was saying he was dead in two weeks. They they took him perfectly healthy person killed him in two weeks, and there's no question he would be alive if he hadn't be gone in the hospital. That's that's such a damning indictment of hospitals and the medical industry that you know people are being killed because they went and trusted them, and you as if you anybody out there watched my show. I had Sheila Skibon a couple of weeks ago, who Rob Skiba

was a big guy in the alternative media for a while. He went through a very similar experience. They killed him too. She didn't get to see him again. They quarantined you because they want to keep the loved ones away to see what they're doing. I told him over the phone, no remdzevie or no VENTI later, but they went behind my back and did the dam

They're gonna. I'm gonna ask you the terrible, horrible vulture question. And I feel as though I can do this because you know I'm your friend, okay, and I'm gonna so I'm gonna be like one of these MSM vultures come back right now, Okay, So so tell me did you feel the worry about this? Did you actually at the time in the moment, did

you feel afraid like they're going to kill my brother? Did you really feel that or did you feel as though, you know, I might be able to get this under control, I might be able to prevent these people from murdering my brother. Well, I realized pretty quickly that I wasn't gonna be able to prevent them doing anything because he was quarantined. And you know, I had a big bunch of big talking keyboard warriors that said I wouldn't have let me. I would have gone this storm in there, make a scene.

Stop yeah, at the door of the hospital. So, I mean, you know, there was there was an impossibility. Of course, I would have loved it. I tried to get there. I've remacted into him. We don't allow I've remacted into the hospital. I don't know if that would have helped him, but I tried. There was not much I could do. And then once they put the beepap machine on him, which is a form of eventilator, I really couldn't talk to him. So I didn't

know what was going on. I mean, I I you know, I hard, and he suspected the worst, but I also in spite it, but all you don't think it's going to happen to you, and so I still was shocked. So you're telling me that even though you knew these things to be this way, you still felt as though it's okay because somehow or other, he's going to be able to come through this and maybe I can't do anything about it. But look, the guy's healthy. He's strong as

a horse. Healthy as a horse, they used to say, right, so he's gonna make it. And you kind of had some faith in there, but it was guarded. Is that what you're telling me, That's what your feeling was going in? Yeah, basically, I mean I was cautiously, you know, I mean I did. I didn't. I mean I knew that it had happened to other people, and I talked to him about

it. I mentioned m desert. You could never remember it. And I had told him that, you know, the last place you want to be as a hospital because he had a problem calling ambulances because he was a hypochondric for really stupid stuff couldn't stop him from doing it right, and he had and he had socialization issues. I don't know how you would. You know, Look, I'm not trying to classify the poor guy. I'm just trying

to say that it was something that you knew. Everybody knew that he was not, you know, completely functional in a social way as an adult. Is that a fair statement to make about him? Yeah? He had we don't know what he was on so security disability, but he best second term and he had super OCD and it prevented him from prevented him from keeping a job because he had so many issues that had to be you know, a cater to, and of course bosses weren't going to understand that. And we

were so great. That's why I say all these people out there in the conservatives that say, you know, get rid ofssociated. Yes, I look, man, I knew him and his friends. There are plenty of people. Yeah, I don't know what their disability is, and technically yeah, but I can tell you the people who's who like from my standpoint, because I was as representative pay and I would have to take care of him if

not. I was very grateful for that. And there are people out there, you know that that are just they're wounded in some way, they're not. They're not foreign perfically, they have some little something that doesn't allow them to function perfectly in the mainstream. And in his case, I'm glad they had that safety net there and he at least got to experience a fifteen years or so pretty good life in a nice apartment in a nice area, and uh, you know, he had a he was happy to the degree he

could. But it just it just pisses me off to no end that this this, And that's why I devoted the book. Tell me that I did you know that he gave his life and along with some of the others that I've interviewed, and who knows how many, maybe millions of others who were basically were murdered, who their lives were lost. I didn't just use I didn't just use the word murder to be flippant or to be flashy. Here. I mean it. Uh, this is what I feel has been done

to a great many people. No offense or not trying to in any way diminish, uh your loss. But here's a fact in my mind that your your brother is just among a large pile of individuals who ended up being discarded and destroyed by this bureaucracy, which I got to ask you about this. Do you feel some some level of guilt for having participated in that kind of

bureaucracy, Not directly in your brother's death. You did everything you could, obviously, but having been part of that system that you know has been employed to destroy others, how do you feel about that? Well, No, I don't feel any guilt about that, because I had I mean, I was certainly you see the way I am now, That's the way I've been since I was I first woke up as a teenager. I've always been outspoken.

So I was bad mouthing my employer for forty four years. I mean, I let them know how and they were much better back then, and so I was constantly and the problem as they fired me before COVID came along. But I would have been fired, you know, every day after that, because I wouldn't have won the mask. I would have been taking it off constantly. I would have been talking about what a PSI epic was.

I would have been criticizing all the stupid policies the six feet apart. Socially, I would have been reported by every one there, so I wouldn't have been But that was me. That's what I did about everything else the entire time, including you know, it's constantly be bad nothing to the medical industrial complex even then. And I bit the hand that fed me. Yeah, I certainly did. But I did pretty well by them until they fired me. So I don't feel guilt for that. I do feel guilt just for

the fact that I wasn't there to stop them. And I realized in my mind there's nothing I could have done, because he called the animals in the middle of the night and by the time I found that, he was already there. And so I know logically there's nothing I could do. Okay, I know, but you still feel, you know, it's just humane.

Why why couldn't I stop? I got you. I am getting a live message on Skype right now, and I'm gonna just ask you this question, uh directly, and we'll we'll handle things differently for the rest of this discussion. If if you say what I what I think you will not say. But here's the thing. I got some but he telling me that I'm out of line talking to you like this and that I'm being insensitive to you right now. So do you feel that way? If you do, no,

problem. We can shift gears. Oh no, no, no, I mean you know what has helped me, you know, Chuck, I made that decision. As you said, I went on the air the night before my brother died because I thought he might right, and I kind of it was kind of a I guess it was a eulogy to him. I didn't know it, but I was hoping somehow. I was hoping that he would pull through. But I was all that was on my mind. And I said, well, I got it it. It helps, It helps me.

I've been to therapy about it. It helps me to talk out this stuff, and I've talked about it. You know, so many people know who he is now. You know, I wrote about him one sub Stack. I've talked about him a lot and dedicated this book to him because I didn't realize until I lost him how much he meant to me, because he had you know, I had been the big brother, even though he was

eight and a half years older than they. I had had to take on that role because nobody else willing to do it, and so he irritated the hell out of me. I would, and I do feel some guilt about that yelling him, But but he knew how much I loved him and how much time I was devoting to try to help him. You know, he wasn't easy to help. But I know this is you're you're certainly an idolt and not a line. I don't mind talking about it because it helps.

It does help because in a way he feels alive to me in some way still. Well, and the thing is part of this, yeah, And the thing is that this is in my mind, this is a good way to memorialize you know what matters here, which is that, look, you

loved your brother. Your brother loved you. You did what you could to take care of him, whether it was you know, just going to sit down with him at Red Lobster because he loved Red Lobster, right, yes, okay, And they would do that just and I'm sure you don't mind I share this. I think you've shared him before. You guys would go every time he got his you know, his disability check, you guys pretty much right around then would go and either have lunch or dinner at Red Lobster.

Right. Well, what we were going to every pretty much every Sunday for the last just about the last year he was alive. And it was one of my most chair at most cherished memories because and he treated. He never treated for much in his life. Because he had finally qualified for Medicaid. And if you know again, so you know how the desk is, you would have little money you have to have to be able to qualify for

Medicaid, and we managed to qualify. But because of that, I had to I didn't manage his money, but I had to watch his money and I had to monitor what he was doing with it because you can't I think you can't have more than two thousand dollars in the bank and that qualify for Medicaid. So well, that's why I had him spending for that, for that thing exactly. And that and also they have, um, you know,

a certain requirements you have to keep track of. Literally they can call upon you to find out where your money's going and they want to know are you using it towards your living expenses or you know you're going to buying beer.

Um not saying that climb up everybody's butt with a microscope. But you had to manage that for him because at the very least, I mean, he had a little organizational issue when it came to keeping a lot of things straight because of these you know OCD issues, right, So you know it was something that you had to assist him with, even though again he was your older brother. So I'm just trying to point out that this is out of love. This is to illustrate that this is a real person. This

isn't a statistic, This isn't some you know, made up character. This is not about crisis actors. This is about this was your brother who meant something to you, a lot of some things to you, to your family, to the world, one way or another. No matter what you think, I don't mean you don I do mean the listener, No matter what you think. Everybody's got a contribution to make. So those little memories of going and sitting down at Red Lobster, I didn't know it was every Sunday.

I thought it was every other Sunday or something. But either way, it doesn't matter. Point is that it was something like that that allowed him to have a life, that allowed him to be able to go on, and it was snatched from him. Because why don tell me that part in your mind. Why was it necessary for your brother to end up in the spot he was in, And tell us about the progression, which unfortunately I kind of experienced vicariously with you because I'm calling you up talking to you.

You were telling me about I was up all night because he went in hospital and this and that, and we went back and forth. I don't want all the details. I'm just saying, explain to people how this kind of turned and hit you, and then let's get into what this is the why, because the why of it is going to tell us the story of who knows, maybe a million, maybe millions of others. Go ahead, right,

well, again, it was it was something. It did. It happened so fast, but you know, and things changed so quickly that I didn't have a time to it really, you know, hit me like if my brother had been in the hospitals, you know, in twenty twenty all summer, basically he was in and out of nursing homes and rehab centers because he had very minor medical issues, but it was mostly mental stuff and he wouldn't take any medicine to control of hypochondria, and so he was constantly going

in for things. And you know, I had two thirty in the morning the police would call me from a hospital and say, your brother won't leave the emergency roomedy and I called him at Uber. He wouldn't get into Uber. He wanted me to pick him up. So that kind of stuff that was out of control. Finally we guide him on medicine, and it was a nightmare summer. I thought him, if you're not committed, I'm going

to be committed soon. You know, I can't handle this. So but once he got in the medicine, things much better, and twenty twenty one was a great year for us. We had the red lobster stuff. He stops complaining about this, and that's why I don't know what happened. I'd be feeling that medication just started wearing off, and because he'd started kind of

slipping a little bit and talking about it again. But it's still a shock that he did calling amiens like that, especially when I've told him over and over and that the house I was telling the hospitals were killing people, and he I knew he had a tendency to want to go there in my mind, and in my mind I seemed to recall it was some minor thing like he fell. He fell, yes, and that could happen. He said he fell in the middle of the night. I don't know out of bed,

I know it, but you know, they checked him out. He had no injuries from the fall. And then I had the whole thing that sent me down the rabbit hole. The neighbor that met me there, that that told me that he heard first. He first he told me that he heard my brother arguing with the MT people that he didn't want to go and then it was okay, and that they basically forced him to. And you

know, I hear rumors Chris, Chris Graves and so's. We can't find documentation for it, but there are rumors out there that they pay the EMT people a bonus, you know, it's for this. I don't know, but it sounded like something like I So, I'm paranoid anyhow, and I'm thinking, oh god, this is But then when I saw him again, the neighbor any kind of backtrack and he said, why didn't actually hear him talk? But I heard the MT people and what they were saying, and

that's what it sounded like. So I don't know what happened. I couldn't ask him obviously, right And all I know is that he you know, he said, no, there's no injury from the fall, and they quickly once they found out he wasn't vaccinated, they fast tracked him. See and there you go, because and look, just in fairness, right, I'm a blind guy. I've had issues with I mean, I'm not completely blind,

but you know, I'm very visually challenged. I have had incidents where I've fallen out of bed and whatnot because I have night terrors and nightmares and things like that. Occasionally I get up startled. I mean, I've had to struggle with PTSD. So the idea that I could fall out of bed in the middle of the night and be injured enough, maybe hurt my back. I've had severe back injuries in my life. I aggravate one of those injuries. It could be that I need an ambulance because I'm messed up,

right, Maybe I need some X rays. I'm personalizing this because I'm trying to point out this could happen to anybody, regardless of whether they have these socialization issues or not. So the thing is a guy like this, it's you to imagine that he could add a nightmare or something like that, misjudge something. Maybe he fell right. Um, it's not like he's an old man. But he's also not a young young man. So you know, here we go, a very simple thing now spirals into something else. So

so you know, like I say, it turns into this. And how fast did this happen? In case people don't know, Oh so whirl one again. They were, you know, he went in there again on I guess it was a Thursday, and uh he you know, a couple of days later, they're talking about what they're going to send him home that week, and I was saying, well, I think you need because I realized that he, knowing his hypochondria, he was going to react by you know,

really needing extra care and medicaid. Wasn't going to go in there because of the COVID diagnosis. He know, he wasn't sick. So I was worried. I was. I was hoping they kept him a little bit so

I but I hint, I had no idea. I had told I told them on the phone door and there's a very new uh VENTI later and I'm thinking, you know, I didn't know at that point yet that they were actually they would just ignore you saying that, Yeah, I figured, well, if you're if your hands on and you know what you're talking about, Well, then they can't do it. But little I didn't know what was quite as bad as it was. And then they ended up and went behind

my back. Once they had I was only able to talk to him for a week the last week he was because he had the VPAT machine on. Ian really couldn't talk. And I also I didn't realize at the time. It was just after talking to Sheila, Stephen, a couple others. You know, I don't know if he was eating that they probably were starving him too, because apparently that's a feature as well. And I don't know,

but I suspect they probably were. Yeah. Look, my second wife long before this COVID thinks she had a heart attack and they put her on one of those machines, and then I wasn't able to get there. So I'm trying to talk to her over the phone so I can identify with this, it's like impossible to communicate. And now they've broken any ability for you to go there and say, write things down or relate it to him, you know. I mean, I guess they could have tried to facilitate that with

a little Skype call back and forth, but they're not there. To facilitate things anymore. It used to be they would try to go out of their way, right you know, somebody, look, can you bring this person a cell phone and I'll talk to them over the cell phone, or they could send me a picture or something. And you know what, they don't do that anymore. Now. The default policy is to appear as though you're facilitating this kind of stuff, but not really get it done. So you're

kind of helpless. You're sitting at home. You're usually the guy who helps out with this kind of stuff with them, and now you can't. So it's about the change of policies. It's about the change of posture when it comes to the hospitals dealing with people. It's about all this all the way around, and not just at the hospital. So you go through this, and of course you were doing your own studies about what was happening. And

again to get to the conclusion about your brother. You know, how long was it because I know in between when we did the show, we used to do a show on Wednesdays, guys. So on Thursday I talked to Don on the phone. I think about this where he's telling me what happened. Then there was as you just described this, you know, consternation over

the weekend, what's going to go on? Things are happening, And in fact I got the sense from you that you thought he was getting better and he was going to be able to come home hyperchondriac or no pneumonia or no, it didn't matter because they were probably gonna let him go from the hospital despite the fact that they were keeping a lot of people no COVID, we

gotta keep you. You felt as though, at least on the positive side with the medicaid thing, they will cut you off for anything that they can figure out to cut you off for, you know, money saving measures on stuff like that. You know, a congressman gets an itch in his throat and he's at you know, the best hospital in the world for three days, examining and giving them different things to gargle with and the best medicine possible.

But you know, for the rest of us on a government approved healthcare program, it's like, let's see if we can cut the cost. Let's see if we can get this down to the only thing that's going to be profitable for the institution, and that's that you are a number. So you figured that would work in your favor here, because they'd want to kick him out, and if he got him home, at least you could help him with whatever it was he needed to do to deal with whatever the actual problem

was gone? Or Am I wrong about this? No? Yeah, and said it happened so fast. Again it was I was. I was hit. I was blindsided by it. And again I didn't even though I was mad at him for calling the hospital, for the first week or so, I wasn't real concerned because I was still talking to him. He was saying, well, they might send me home. This is so I figured he'd becoming home some But then suddenly he's on the VPAP machine. I can we

can't really talk to him. I'm hearing different things. Well, we don't know why the you know, his oxygen levels are so low. And I've learned so much since then. This is it's a pattern. They do the same thing. They diagnoses them COVID pneumonia. They put them on a BPAP machine machine, and when they try to get what they don't like it and

they try to take it off. They put these big wooden things, tape tape, wooden things on their hands so they can't touch it, and then when they keep hitting themselves with it, they finally tie their hands down. They did all that to my brother, and I didn't know until they did do a zoom call. They let me do a zoom call. The last time I saw him a lot, well, I saw him the last day when he was out of it. But he was, and you know, I couldn't believe it. And that was the day before, yeah, the

two days before he died a day. So how how long let me just get this real straight, Okay, how long between you're hearing your brother coherent? Strong? You know, maybe there's something a little wrong, but he's in a hospital. He's in a hospital. Excuse me, I'm getting a little nauseous from the headache here. Sorry. The thing is that you have this, you have this situation where he's strong, he's coherent, he sounds like himself. How long between that and now he's unreachable, he's just laying

there. How long did that take? Week? Less than a week? I mean, because he was only in there. He went in on January sixth, and he died in January twentieth, so he in two weeks. He went from perfectly healthy hypochondriac. But asymptomatic. No, no cough, no, nothing like that, No sign of COVID. And again he was sup behind such a hypochondriac. If he had felt a scratchy throat or runny knows, any little thing like that, he would have been calling me up

and saying, do I sound a horse? And he would have been one through all the panicking about that he was getting a hole. None of that, he wasn't. He simply he had some kind of a fall which he didn't understand. He couldn't explain. There were no injuries from it. I think he realized he shouldn't have called the ambulance. It was too late. He probably did try to back out of it. They pressured them. He was easy to pressure, easy to bully. He wasn't going to fight back,

so it was easy for them to get him to go. They probably said, oh, I just would check it out. That best, just to change his take in and we'll run tests and then you can go home. That's usually the kind of delivery, right because they've decided that you now are more profitable to them to bring in, and that way they can charge up a few things. Medicaid will definitely pay for all this so they haul you in. Now, look, I'm done hovering on this because that whole

story, you guys can go back and listen. I'm sure it's in your archives over on your website. I'm sure that they can go back on sub stack and look at it in real time and see what happened there. Because by the time I got in touch with you again for your next Wednesday's show, things were starting to look rough and we weren't sure what was going to go on, and it was a struggle for you, and I think you

canceled that next Wednesday show. Maybe you did some other stuff in between, America Unplugged or whatever, I don't remember, but the thing was, you were kind of in flux. You weren't sure what you were going to do because you wanted to handle this. A lot of your time was taken up with it. But while this is going on and afterwards, you learned a great deal and a lot of this ends up getting folded into this book.

So again, back to the book, and I hope I'm not jumping too fast here and disrespecting any of your story, but I'm trying to make this as compact as possible, because they need they need if they're interested in the truth about this and seeing that they're not alone because they've suffered through something like this, they've known somebody, they had a family member, whatever, you need to know that a you weren't alone and be this is a grander agenda.

So go ahead, don run with it, and we'll remind him again where to get the book and what to look at before we're done. But please go ahead. Yeah, that's and that's why. So when I know when I came back, it wasn't until my brother died that I decided I've

got to finish this book. It triggered me and I really and it was actually not even him dying, of course, But then I decided, as I talk about it, I write about it, and I wrote Losing my Brother to the Medical Industrial Complex, which probably still has more reads than anything I've ever written. So it has published a lot of places, you know, lou rockwell, I think, and a lot of places people published of course on subspact. But I got so much feedback. I don't want to

talked about it on Facebook because they didn't. They didn't really block that on Facebook. I like I talked too much about COVID. I just talked about losing them, so they let it get through. So I got I heard from so many people, and it was it really did help to hear from so many people who had gone through the same situation he told him. So many people told me I was a good brother and it shouldn't feel guilty, and it really helped, and it helped. It was very cathartic, and

it still helps. I still hear people from people regularly. Hey, I'm so sorry what happened to your brother? And now just one more interruption here, don I'm sorry, but I want to point this out because again, people are scumbags too. I know there's a great deal of supportive, decent, wonderful people out there, but other people were being scumbags to you as

well. So maybe should address that real fast about how you know, people that don't know Jack shouldn't really be sitting there and criticizing and attacking other people, because you had some of that going on, not only maybe with some of the public people approaching you, but maybe even personally. If you if you want to address it, go ahead. If you don't, don't, But I think it's part of the story that needs to be entered here.

Yeah, well, you know, it's again I heard that there were I mentioned there were a few keyboard warriors that were saying I wouldn't I wouldn't have done it. They would have been able to keep me out of there. You know, I would have gotten him with guns blazing and I would have grabbed my you know. Again, they don't understand right now. I also had weight. But you all said people that were like, oh, this

is your fault. Yes, yes, well that was mainly. That was mainly, uh, you know, through the family grapevine again, because that's that's another thing about you. And I've talked about this before, is it. Although I hear from people every day that it's just I become jaded by it. You know, they talk about how much they love something I did one of my books. Are they love listening to me on my podcast or some show or or sub stack whatever. Oh I love it when you're on

with Billy Ray. You gotta do that, Bubbo. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, So I I I hear you know. So it's great. But all those people are strangers everyone. There's not anybody that I've ever known in real life. There's not like some guy I worked with thirty years ago. I went to school with his never's never any cousins anything like I got. And in my family life, everybody but my son. My son is wide awake, and I thank God for him because he's he's he's

a great comrade to have. He knows what's going on, and it's great that we share that in common. But other than that, some of the family tolerate me and they just kind of but but some of them I know or opposed to me. I've been canceled by one of my knees, canceled mem and I had I was you know, that was basically what I heard when it happened, is that basically they blamed me because he wasn't vaccinated, because he listened to me, because you miss him. You know, Yes,

it was my fault basically. So it's like, but I get that that didn't but that doesn't I feel guiltious on the fact that it's just natural that I I don't know what I could have done that I still would try to stop him, But I don't feel guilt about that because I'm obviously I wouldn't have written this book if I wasn't absolutely one hundred percent sure that This thing is the greatest sie up in the history of the world. The vaccine is the eugenicis dream. This is a design to finally call a herd,

which they've talked about doing forever, and apparently they're doing it. So I don't for one second regret And I never as I told him. I didn't tell him not to get vaccinated. I never did. He knew how I felt about it if he had gotten vaccinated. Everybody else in my family, but my kids did. Well, Look, Frank, brutality here, okay. Brutal brutal honesty, Okay, is what I'm going to lay out on

you and everybody else right now. Bottom line is this. Whenever a family member dies and somebody doesn't think it's pretty much through the natural course of things. They were just really old. It was their time, so to speak. Whenever that happens, I'll tell you on firsthand, secondhand, third hand and fourth hand experience. Okay, the family tries to play the blame game one way or another. Okay. I could tell you that personally through my

father's suicide. I was four years old, right Okay, I've told you this story a hundred times. One way or another. You know, there are people that blamed me as a four year old, you know, the pressures of me being around because I was a handicapped child. That's what caused my father's suicide. Right. No, But I'm just saying that the ludicrous level that people will go to to attach it to. It doesn't matter if you're an anti baxer or you're you know, whatever it is, or you

encourage them to ride a motorcycle. He died in a motorcycle crash. It doesn't matter. They will find a way to lay blame on somebody, anybody, a doctor, the next door neighbor, the person's spouse, the kids. They'll do it all the way around. You know why because they have some sort of horrible guilt within themselves one way or another, and is the only way they know how to deal with it. I'm telling you, if they can lay a suicide on a four year old, that's pretty bad.

That's a good sport stuff. I didn't realize that, that's just that's horrific. But this is the way people behave I'm just saying. So the whole thing about Don's family, for the course, Yeah, no, it is. I what you the one thing you you it comes here. You know,

I always thought I had a pretty close, loving family. I didn't know, I just but I you know, you eventually at some point realize, well, god, they're not that great, you know, especially when you especially when things like this happened, and basically they're since my writing career took off to whatever extent it has, but the fact that you know that people know about me and I have people like that guy that wrote you. There are people like that out there, yep, that and they have never

adjusted to that, and they just prefer to pretend it's not happening. They don't. They don't, I mean, they're they don't think it's cool that I'm friends with Susan Olsen and the Brady Bunch or John Barb, real people, and I think that's really cool, and I value it pretended to happen. No, because you're just you're just the annoying weirdo uncle nephew or whatever the hell. It doesn't brother. It doesn't matter because that's all you are

and that's all you're ever going to be to him. And that's fine. It doesn't matter. You you could be pre you know, like you see this on TV shows all the time. Dramatized, but it's a true thing that they dramatize. You could be the president and you're You know what, as far as I'm concerned, you're still the jerk that I gave noogies to.

You know, it doesn't matter, you know, So no matter what you accomplish in life, this is where strangers are better than your family, you know, because they'll at least adjust for what it is you've done and judge you by the you know, the actions of your character as opposed to the BS. So anyway, please continue though until the rest of the story, because hell of a learning curve you went on and again your skepticism guiding

you this tragedy now guiding you. All comes together in this book because people needed to know the truth about the eugenic agenda, and go ahead late lay out the rest of why the hell it is people need to read this book. So two, Part two is going to be a more familiar story than others have talked about. Lots of these writers have talked about. Naomi wolf is an I quote from us UN great work on the Fiser documents talking about

what's done to reproductive organs of women. We already know what it's done. That's just to sasterone levels of men and what all this has in common. I don't really bring transgenderism into this book, but I think it's all part of the eugenesis agenda because it's hard. The eugenesis want fewer people, that's their entire goal. So if they can kill people with a deadly vaccine, that's fine. But if they can also make it impossible for the people that

survived to reproduce are very difficult, that's great too. And if you bring transgenders, I don't think it's an accident that the transgender thing exploated right in the middle of COVID because what's what do they all have in common? The vaccine, when it's not killing people's messing with their reproductive organs, whether it's male or female. So it's making it harder for them to have babies and miscarriage raids like ninety percent or something for women that have had all their vaccines.

But you and you throw the of the transgenderism. What is that doing? If girls become boys and boys become girls, not gonna have any babies. So the entire thing I there you go, So you know what, don here's the deal. We're going to take just a really quick break, come right back and tell people why. At the end of the day, there is never any reason to let a perfectly good tragedy go to waste, or to make sure that you can't tie all of your negative agendas of death

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so you never know which one is out when. But a big stack of books over there if you check out his author page on Amazon or wherever else you go to buy books. But I always recommend Survival of the Richest. I stand by that that's the best. Still, Don, sorry to tell you, still the best book you've written, But fine, I'm glad you. Yeah, I might agree with you. But this one is it is another entry into a valuable library of stuff that that Don has written.

I've got to get myself a physical copy of this thing. I have a digital copy of it, but it is available physically and digitally or is it just a digital book? It is, But for some reason, the Amazon and Barns and Doubles pages are split up with the electronic and paper version. But they're but they're both out there. You just have to You might have to find them on different pages. Okay, I didn't know. I was just asking. So we'll try and give you guys links to both of those

things so you can get it either way. But I am recommending this book as well. Uh, definitely on the must read list when it comes to Don Jeffrey. So one more time, what is the name of the book, and tell people about substack and all that, and then we'll get a little wrap up excuse me again, upset stomach, A little wrap up on the on the story altogether of just this book alone. Go ahead, Okay, Masking Masking the Truth how COVID nineteen destroys civil liberties and shut down the

world again. It's available everywhere if you go to my substack, Donald Jeffreys at substack dot com. It's called I Protest, just like my Friday live streaming show every Friday from five seven and Eastern on Rockman dot com America and Plug both call I protest that if you go and support me, subscribe to the substack. That's the only place they're allowing me my presence to grow. I am growing there and getting more people. There's a pay option, but

everything's for free there more a lot more people are offering. They're paying, which is pretty cool, but you're not getting you know, I'm a populist, so there's no paywall. You get everything for free. But if you want to help, hey, that's cool. So you can sign up for free over there if you like. But if you want to support Non's work, you can do that as well with a monthly donation through or a monthly

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right, yeah, everything, And I really appreciate. Again, I understand money's hard to come by, and that's why I've written many times that the free things that don't cost you anything. You can suggest my books to your libraries. I mean, I get a sale that way, it doesn't cost anything. You can review and rate them on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, good Reads. All those things count to get ratings and get my book numbers because people the way to get more readers. Most people are followers. That's

why I don't want to discard Amazon totally. Because Amazon has those numbers that people see. I don't really like supporting them, and I get less money from Amazon, but those numbers are important and that attracts publishers and attracts people. People like Hidden History right now has over six hundred ratings on Amazon, which is really good. It puts it, you know, up and rarefied

air. So that's why it continues to do better than the others because people see that and they think, oh, there must be something to that book. But you know, uh, you know, Buliocracy has like forty nine or something, So people see that and they you know, they don't, they don't. They don't blink too much because it's not that impressive the numbers.

So the more ratings, the more numbers you can get, you know, and Amazon, you don't have that to review it anymore and just give it a five star rating or whatever, and people see the number of ratings, they'll react that way, and they'll help me that way. Again, it doesn't cost you anything, So lots of free ways you can you can help and appreciate and lots of that stuff. He'll suit the podcast as well if you go and you rate them or you make comments over on Rockfin.

All that stuff is helpful and Don's in all those all of those platforms. So you go to rock Finn, you give him a rating, You go to Apple, you give him a rating, you go to Amazon, you give him a rating. You know, all of this stuff counts and does help to raise the gravitas, so to speak, of the individuals. So yeah, support Don's work in all those different ways. If you can throw a few dollars on it, that's always helpful, but there's lots of freeways

to do it as well. So back to the story of this book Don

just to sort of wrap it up, so to speak. Of course, we didn't cover even a fraction and what's in it on the show tonight, but the very personal story, one of the key motivators, one of the key inciting incidents, if you will, Points of ignition was definitely the personal tragedy, but your observance of what goes on because you know, you might actually give a crap about people you know other than yourself as well just saying you know, I know people accuse others of not but whatever, here's the

deal. You see what's happening to society. You see what's happening to your fellow man. I know I'm not supposed to say that anymore, but you see what's happening, and you needed to speak out. So you are and you're doing it. And doctor Tenpenny writing your introduction very important, very key. I wonder who will write the introduction to part two? Do you have anybody in mind yet or do you not want to announce that to part two? What do you mean part two? I'm never mind. I'm saying,

will it be a sequel to this book? Oh? Well, you know it's it's appears to be a never ending story, so they certainly could be. But I've got you know, I'm writing a book on Garrison and JFK with a couple of other people, including William Law, and we're working on that now, A Hidden History three, which I think it's going to be called something else, but I think Skyer's going to publish that that I'll be

hearing about that dirty shortly. So I've got other things going on. Hidden Hisstery four, which again Chris Gray's contributed greatly that too, that's out there, and I'll christ starn't working on that next. So I always got a lot of projects in the fire, right right, excellent, So always good to hear. But you know, the final capper on this story about this book, though, you know, why is it necessary? Why is it? I mean, why does Don Jeffreys need to get this word out?

I mean, is it really just the personal issue or is it something that you feel a responsibility just as somebody who can observe and relate this through your skill, your specialized passion. Is that the reason for it or do you have other reasons in mind here or is it just merely the personal issue that is the prime mover here, the primary motivator for you to write this. Well, it's a combination, but certainly the personal motive was what compelled me

to finish it. Yeah, it definitely inspired me to plug forward to make sure I finish the book. Excellent, all right, So the short answer there, don I really appreciate you taking the time tonight. I know I took you past the hour, but what the hell? I think it was necessary to flesh all this out, and I appreciate you being patient with all

my interruptions and all that stuff and one more time for the record. More than happy to support Don Jeffreys. I hope you guys are too okay and all that good stuff, and I'm gonna I'm gonna have to send you when I send out my swag packages, I'm gonna have to at least send you a couple of o'celly network pens. We've got a couple of nice pens that

are coming in with swags, so very cool. I'd like to give you a little writing instrument to remind you of you know, your your participation and involvement, because even though your show isn't making a home here anymore, I still consider you, you know, part of the extended family, so to speak, so you know here we are, and don't forget guys, you

can get involved in that there. Nothing is for sale. None of these are for sale, but they are available as thank you gifts for those that choose to support the network here which the Donald Jeffrey Show was part of.

And Don is welcome on my show obviously grave show, and who knows, maybe we'll get you on Aaron Frownze's stuff and some of the new hosts who are about to join Okay, so you're definitely welcome over here on Ocelli dot com and really grateful for you taking the time with us today and writing this book. It's a necessary entry into the information stream. And thank you Don Jeffries for doing all that and also being with us today. Oh my pleasure.

Thanks check. Anyway, guys, no matter who you are, where you are, when you are, remember this, I am merely Ocelly. All of you are the effect. Good Night,