The Ochelli Effect 5-8-2023 Ricky Varandas

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time I did all media blah blah. Look back in the archives if you want the backstory and how he got started, because we're not going there tonight. Ricky randas the guy from the Ripple Effect. Again, neither one of us ripped the other off, just so you know, Okay, but I'll make that point every single time. Also a key component to the union of the unwanted involved in a whole bunch of other stuff. You go to Ricky Mirandas dot com, I believe, and you can find all those things.

But also I think Ripple Effect dot com. How many dot coms are there all together for your work, Ricky help me out. There were quite a few, actually, and you're right there. Ricky Brands will take you there. The Ripple Effect podcast dot com will take you there, I believe. I also own Ricardo Verandas dot com. Um. I don't know why about all of them, but I did. I figured just in case somebody forgets the name of the U r L, there's a few that they can use.

But they all take you to the same place, same website, so feel free to use any of them. I think the Ripple Effect, you know, the Ripple Effect dot com was taken and they wanted way too much money for it, and then the Ripple Effect podcast seemed a little long, so I'm like, you know what, let me just do Ricky Brands dot

com if somebody wants to use that. So, you know, I kind of gave him a couple of options, but yeah, they all lead to the same place, and on that website you'll find all the places you can find a video version of all my podcasts, and also the audio version and all the podcasts and uh, you know, besides YouTube, I'm available just about everywhere. Right. Oh you're you're totally off of YouTube now. Yeah. During the COVID lockdowns, like many people got, I got kicked off.

I'm sure I was getting strikes from time and time and getting warnings, a lot of warnings. But once Robert Malone came on, and doctor Peter McCullough and talk doctor Pierre Corey and doctor Jessica Rose and and now I was really getting a lot of them on and quite uh you know, just around the same time. It was all around the same couple of months. I think it really pissed off YouTube and they finally I knew it was about time. And then luckily Matt from content Safe was a whole. It was a

lifesaver. I didn't really panic because what he does he had a service that he you upload to one place and then he sings all your channels together, so I could upload to YouTube at the time and then it was within you know, a day. I think at the time. It was like between twenty four to forty eight hours, you would see the videos on the Rumble

and Bitch Shoot and Rocks and and all the other platforms. So at least he gave me the piece of mind that, like when I do eventually get kicked off YouTube, at least I know the videos available in other places. So I did eventually get kicked off YouTube. I didn't want a self censor. I know some people do it, and I understand why they do it because YouTube is a valuable platform the majority of people. I think it's like the second most used platform for search as a search engine, so a lot

of people go on the search for information. It's a key component of the Google board. I mean, you know, what are you gonna do? It is what it is, right And one thing, but one thing I did not So I wasn't concerned so much about losing YouTube because I knew it was going to happen. And like I said, I wasn't self censoring.

But one thing I did learn and I kind of assumed already but I experienced it firsthand, was once you get kicked off YouTube, you're put on some type of like blacklist or some type of shadow banning list where now also just shadow band on everything. So when people would go on YouTube or go on Google and search for the show. Before I got kicked off YouTube, it was quite easy to find. You put in a specific show like okay, Ripple Effect podcast, and I could put in like Chuck and in the episode

that we did together with pop up. It was really easy to find specific episodes. I didn't have to put in a lot of detail. But and then after got kicked off YouTube, I could, you know, be recommending a show I did on the Key Too Jet diet. You know, Um, I did a show with Jim Abrams and and you know he was a filmmaker who did the Naked Gun or whatever. And I'm like, oh, that's a great show on on his son's how he used the que Jank diet

to cure himself of these seizures he was having in whatever. And I would want to send it to somebody, and I would put in Jim Abrams or both like podcasts, put the whole title, and it wouldn't. I'm like, oh my god, like like, I'm not just ban off YouTube now, I'm basically ban off the internet almost because most people YouTube and Google and if Google censoring YouTube, now you basically are screwed. So it makes it

much more difficult for people to really get the word out there. And and for you know, those random people who run into your show because they're looking at something else that might be related, like that doesn't happen anymore. So it makes it much harder for a show like yours or mine that might talk

about more controversial topics for for us to get new listeners. You know, you end up because almost being stuck in the echo chamber where it's like, okay, I my my, my regulars already know I exist and already listening on a regular basis, but my growth is basically on pause and there is

no growth. So I think people don't realize, like you know, getting kicked off YouTube isn't just one platform, but you're almost basically completely shadow band on the whole Internet because those are the most commonly used search engines is YouTube

and Google. Right, terrible realization I had to come to myself is that like, for instance, you know, on days when I decided to cover a news story, it used to be that I could tangentially be available to somebody who says they want the controversial view on said news story in real time, right over those couple of days when something is being covered and guess what, no more, all gone and it doesn't matter that you pop up on you know, like you said, bitch, shoot and all that stuff.

That's why I kind of like the aggregators, like the link tree and all that. It's kind of helpful because at least you have something that gives them, you know, a couple of options to be able to go and check out your stuff. But your growth has definitely been kneecapped once you've been kicked off of, you know, because everybody's going, oh, it's a badge of honor, and I'm like, yeah, a badge of honor I almost

don't want because I didn't need this. I'll tell you something that's even funnier is I don't know how much you have allowed other people to mirror your stuff, but I find it hilarious that exactly the same shows that I got kicked off for have been mirrored and I don't reference them on the show or anything, but I'm actually still on YouTube a little bit right Like the whole series I did with Jordan Maxwell has now been picked up either in part or in

hole by about six different YouTube channels, right, so even when they picked up other episodes that had stuff in it. And by the way, a couple of those got dinged, you know, got strikes or whatever. I forget, maybe it was hate speech or something. It's so ridiculous the different you know things they told me. I violated my favorite, of course, cyber bullying Jeffrey Epstein after he's dead. I like that one a lot. By covering the news story, you know, the reality which, by the

way, that came up in the news this week, yawned. Nobody paid attention, but you know, it happened past two weeks actually, but uh, you know, here we go, right, somebody else can cover it, and for some reason or other, you can be posted somewhere as long as you don't do it. And I don't know if you notice. It also screws with you about your usage of the platform. Now, because my entire account, including because I had one account since two thousand and eight.

I guess when I started my YouTube channel so I could do book reviews of all things, you know, like all that went away, but also I had, you know a lot of things that I built up different subscriptions. I had and all that kind of stuff. Well, you can't access any of that either. They wipe your whole account. So whatever, I'm not here to complain about you scrolling. Uh, gonna do what I'm gonna do. And uh and and as per usual, you can find all the Ricky

stuff if you can just spell Ricky Verandez dot com. You can go there. And as you said, and by the way, the reason why you picked up all those other URLs is because they probably offered you package deals, which I always love that where it's like you can have dot net, dot com, dot news and all this and just give us another twenty or thirty

dollars or whatever. So well, and and you know, even though Ricky Vrandez is shorter than the RiPP Effect podcast dot com, it's uh not everybody is good at spelling other people's last names, so it's and Ricky can be even spelled differently. You know, some people will put uh, Ricky with an I, Ricky with a hy, Ricky with an ie. Yeah,

I got you, so it litened to me. I'm like, well, let me just cover everything and and uh, but you know it does suck because I know, you know, like Sam Tripley who hosts up or The Union, the Tinfoil Half podcasts. He you know, he would constantly talk about how, like why is it so difficult for people just to go on the website and then listen to people and watch people on their well, like people go into his website. But the problem is, like, you know,

we're creatures that enjoy you know, the path of least resistance. So the thing with me is like I get that, Like it's much easier for somebody to just go on one platform, like let me go on YouTube and I can get all these content creators instead of going to each content creator's website

specifically. You know, It's like I get it if maybe you're just a fan of one or two shows, but if you're like myself and you like getting different perspectives and opinions from all different types of people and you like to kind of jump around a little bit so you don't get bored, you know, And that's that's something that I do try to exercise because I think that like, if you listen to the same opinions and perspecs constantly over and over

again, you kind of just adapt and adopt those, you know, or you adopt those perspectives and opinions, and you start sounding like them, and you don't taking anything new that's thought provoking or or mentally stimulating or something that might your perspective. In addition, it could affect you too, because you'll you'll hear that someone as you were talking about self censorship a minute ago.

And that's a key thing because not that you're choosing to self censor, but when you hear repeatedly others doing it, right, Like I noticed that I took up things like instead of you know, don't call it the shot, right, because that'll give you that's a keyword problem. Don't call it the shot, don't call it the vacs. No, And then you start calling

it something else. It's because you've heard it repeatedly from somebody else and you say, you know, that's actually not a bad idea or whatever, or maybe you don't even think about it, but you start restricting your use of you know, just calling it like I just said, look, it's a medication, you know, and that was problematic, right. But I'm getting influenced now by the lexicon, by the nomenclature that is presented, because I'm

steeping myself in it. It's just that simple. That's why I really do avoid a lot of a lot of guys. I talked to a lot of podcasters, but in reality, I've not listened to a lot of anybody's episodes because if I do in a short period of time, whether I want them to or not, they'll either begin to affect my language or they'll begin to affect, you know, my presentation. Again, it could be the ghost

notes. You know, I'm deciding not to say something because I've already heard it a hundred times, and maybe my audience hasn't, And I need to consider that, not necessarily that I've heard it a thousand times. Maybe they haven't, you know what I mean. So it becomes a weird thing when you want to do that, And one of the best ways, like you said, is to move around and to diversify what it is you're choosing to

expose yourself to. And I'm one of those guys too, which is why this you know, tangential effect where you're now being you know, removed from well, gee, there's other possibilities here regarding one subject or one particular issue, even in a large issue like historical issue like I'm no longer coming up in searches for stuff that I was known for, like the jfk assassination.

Now I'm not coming up when you're looking up somebody else's work on it, even if I've got a similar idea, even if I'm talking about a similar area. If I was discussing ballistics and you're looking up somebody else who's disgusting ballistics, it's not necessarily going to come up together anymore. Even on the controversial platforms, even on the ones that are you know, less censored or not censored. They claim, you know, whether it's rock fin or it's

a bit shoot or whatever, I'm still not coming up. It's a weird thing. Where like connective tissue, she was removed once you start getting banned, so it's it's an odd thing. Man. It's like, you know, I still exist on Twitter too. Some people have told me I need to get the hell off at Air, but I see no reason to abandon the tools until you're forced to, you know, yeah, no, I completely agree. People said the same thing about Patreon when a lot of people

were getting kicked off Patreons. I had a lot of people contacting me patron supporters or like I need to find another way of supporting you because I can't. I can't use Patroon anymore because all these content creators I love are getting kicked off. I'm like, that's great, and I get it. I don't nothing. I don't hold anybody against you know, that moral judgment where they want to, you know, just say, hey, you know what, I can't support this company, but no vote with your dollars any which

way you want. I definitely would never say to somebody, hey, look, do something against your conscience just because it benefits me. Hell no, no, no, no. I mean I've had people tell me this about PayPal off and on over there. I don't want to use PayPal, Okay, sorry, but it is I'm going to continue to use it because it's accessible and it makes sense for me. Well rumbles the new because now, like everybody's talking about, like you know where Rumble gets their money, and

you know, it's like listen, I get it. I'm like, there's you know, there's some shicy people involved in it. There's you know, finances that could come from no other shicy Like I get that, but the bottom line is like, it's a platform that gives me the freedom to put I mean I've never been censored. I get to put my videos out there, I get to reach maybe a different audience. Like why wouldn't I utilize

that? Like if if they're censoring me, and you know, I'd be outspoken about it and I would say, hey, they're censoring and whatever. But like same thing with like band at Video. You know, I'm on band at Video. It's like, okay, people are like, oh, why would you be on Alex Jones is a video platform? Like I get it. I'm like, I get it, but I'm like, it's I'm not doing anything different with my show. I'm like, I do my show.

It's exact same way. The only difference is like I might be reaching a audience that might not be used to conversations like my They might be exposed to different ideas us and different content creators and different perspectives. And as long as they're letting me do my show the way that I do it and they're not asking me to censor anything and they're not kicking me off, I'm like,

I'm not saying I'm promoting those platforms. I'm just saying I'm going to use them, and uh, you know, and we don't want to be in an echo chamber. And same thing with YouTube. Bug. I get the people who are saying like, hey, you know, I'm much like you Chuck, Like I wouldn't you know. I'm not a fan of self censoring, but I get to why some people would because they're like, hey,

there's people on YouTube that we need to reach. Like maybe most of the audience on Rock Fin they know, you know, they they're on board with us, they're on board with like appreciative a choire to some degree for sure. Yeah, but you know, if you have to self censor a little bit on YouTube to maybe reach them, then I get that too,

you know. So I see all perspectives, but in regards to like and I definitely understand what you're saying in regards to not wanting to listen to other podcasters and because maybe you end up sounding like them or you know, or

maybe second guessing what you should be doing or whatnot. But to me, it's more about like, um, I mean, you could do it, maybe not even with podcasts, but maybe do it with books, right, Like a book that is a counter argument to something you subscribe to, you know, maybe read a book that has a different perspective that different opinion than

what you know your own opinion is. And because I think sometimes we need our ideas challenges, We need to have somebody challenge them, because if you can't defend them, or maybe you think you can defend them much better than you can, but if you struggle to defend them, maybe it's not as well thought out as as you thought. And I also find myself sometimes repeating, you know, things that I'm listening to, right, So it's like, oh, now I'm starting to kind of sound and think like this person,

and I'm like, I need to hear some other perspectives. I need to hear some different opinions. I need to hear somebody who has maybe a drastically different worldview, because I also don't like to plant my flag on any idea or perspective or ideology. So it's like I want to constantly evolve and and you know, constantly learn during this journey of being alive and taking in

information and opinions and uh and learning about the world. And you know, in that journey, I can't just only, you know, listen to people who sound like me and think like me. I want to listen to people who don't think like me and and you know, really take in a little bit of information and knowledge and really use all this stuff, um to kind of help mold my world view and then filter out the things you don't like, but at least listen to those things. And um, you know,

I like being wrong. That's one of the reasons why I like being wrong, because it means I'm one step closer being right, Like I'm one step closer exactly exactly. You know. Look, I don't I don't want to stay on this subject too long because I know you and I have had similar conversations like this before, So I'd like to move on to some other stuff. But before I do two quick things. One, I always think it's

good to know thy enemy as well. So honestly, I have to in ad vain, I have to tune into the MSNBC and I have to tune into Fox News because they're both the polar sides of what I believe are the enemy mindset and the enemy brainwashing out there in my brain, which is going to make me have to bring up Tucker Carlson with you in a minute. But before we get there, you know, I think it's always good to

know what your enemy is doing one two again. If they make good, valid points and you think that only crap comes from them, maybe you need to reevaluate. As you were just saying, all those things are perfectly good.

And there's just one other little little wrinkle to this whole bit which I think people need to keep in mind as well, which is that you know, I understand that once you examine most of these things, most of these bigger mechanisms platforms, it doesn't matter if it's the way money's exchanged or the way information is exchanged, whatever it is. Any of these conduits for information, energy, or resources, if they are large enough, almost all of

them are guaranteed to have some grease in there. Okay, it's gonna be a little greasy somewhere. There's gonna be some dirt. There is almost nothing resembling and absolutely pristine. You know, it's like going out in the world looking for the virgin wife. Okay, let's be real, if you're in America, unless you're looking for twelve year olds, and that's a whole other problem. You're not finding virgins. Okay, you know what I'm saying.

There's definitely gonna be some dirt. There's definitely going to be something corrupt somewhere along the line, and it doesn't necessarily mean that, you know, the entire bathwater and baby need to go out the window. Right. You might be able to keep the basin, you might be able to clean the baby off, you might be able to just function. I'm not saying compromise. I'm not saying don't hold your standards, but don't expect or demand everybody else

to do the same, because it's not fair. You know. I'll give you a weird instance that, you know, again, Paypals, one of those things where it's like, no, I won't use PayPal because they're connected to this and this corrupt thing. Blah blah blah blah. Okay, cool,

what are you willing to use? They'll present to me what they're willing to use, and I could say, all right, well, here's the thing that's even more connected to banks, that's even more you know, it's honestly more corrupt in my mind for the arguments you're making, But I'm not going to challenge you. You need to do what's comfortable for you and what's ethically sensible for you, and hopefully you have some ethics not you Ricky somebody

listening the proverbial you. So anyway, all that stuff is always a judgments call. It's always fluid, it's always in motion. And you know, the truth is that when I started on YouTube in two thousand and eight, nobody had questions about whether this was you know, corrupt mega organization that was ruining the world. People were more worried that kids were spending too much time on it, sort of like the TikTok arguments, right, kids are using

they're they're rotting their brains watching crap on YouTube. And there was a lot of crap on there still is, but nonetheless it's still something. You know, They're they're going to bring the porno in a truck on the same road that they're going to bring the fresh spring water. They're gonna you know what I'm saying. So it's not always about the thing in and of itself.

That everything has degrees, and if you can find a completely clean everything all the way around, whether it's a video platform or it's a way of exchanging resources or whatever, by all means enlighten me, I'll be more than willing to take a look at it. But I don't think any of us is gonna completely get out, you know, squeaky clean and all the things that we decide to interact with, especially in the Internet age. But look, I don't want to keep on this topic because, as I said, I

think you and I have exhausted this plenty. I want to get into some strange political questions if you don't mind kind of blindside you with a few things, because there was no pre interview about this or pre arranged questions, right, absolutely, Yeah, I love that. Yeah, Well, what do you got in mind? Cool? I've taken my glasses off and I'm just gonna give you the surprises. I'm not even gonna read your face or anything

else. We're just gonna bounce a couple of things off here and see what happens, and see what sort of affect the o'celly effect question has on the host of the ripple Effect. Okay, yes, corny, cheesy, stupid, But that's my fun, all right, and it's my show. I can do what the hell I want, and if Ricky doesn't want to do it with me, he can hang up on me. So there you go. All right. Now, I'm I'm a big fan of doing whatever the hell they want it It is their show, and if you don't like it,

go to another show. That's what I always say, pattern disruption. Let's roll with it, right, Okay, I don't like maintaining the patterns, So let's let's get to a couple of things that I am curious to see what your point of view is. Arf K Jr. Interesting guy. Now, look, I'm not one of these people who lionizes and uh, you know, glorifies, defies. The Kennedy's the great family and hell of a lot better than most of the political leaders and crap. And I do

mean do I mean crap? Yeah, I do mean walking, talking pieces of moving crap out there in the world that appear to be putting on the political puppet show at the moment. Better quality of people in general, that family, Yeah, even with the corruption, the strangeness and whatever, and even with Ted Kennedy, indeed, they are an interesting group of people. So I'm not going for them on the whole. The Kennedy's, they might

deign to once again join leadership. No, but I have questions And it gets pretty h gets pretty intricate, it gets pretty um well, you're gonna have to dig for nuances here. RFK Jr. Just the flat question, what are your thoughts on him running for president? And what do you think about that in general? Because libertarians are talking people that actually have lost interest in supporting any of this charade that is called the representative government. At this

point, you can tell I have an attitude problem here. What are your thoughts on RFK Junior running at all? I'll just leave the floor open to you. Well, you know, I was. I am excited about what it's going to happen and how this whole thing is gonna unfold, because you know, I'm curious why he's running as a Democrat. I'm curious, and

I'm not curious. I mean, in one hand, I get it, like you have to be a part of the debates, you have to be a part of the race between the left and the right, because those are the only two parties that get any airtime, that are the only two parties to get any amount of the attention and conversation in mainstream media. So I get that aspect of it. I am a little certain about him having faith in the Democratic Party. If you take away the D next to his name

and what he's running as. I like him. I like him as a person I like him as I've been actually trying to get him on my podcast for quite a few years now, because I'm sure as many regular listeners of the Ruple Effect podcasts, no I've been. I've had doctor Brian Hooker on, I've had Del big tryon. I've had a lot of people throughout the

years that are in the medical freedom world and community. And it's a topic that I'm real passionate about and I like to talk about and discuss, and so I've been a fan of his for a long time because I think for a long time after COVID, I think it's it's not quite as bad. But previously, prior to COVID, if you brought up any skepticism about vaccines, you were immediately considered a tinful, had conspiracy theorists, lunatic, and it was a very hard topic to be on this side on. And he

was willing to do it, and he knew the backlash. He knew just how much people would laugh at him and and and say that he's lost all credibility and all this stuff. So I give him a lot of credit for dealing with all that and yet in his heart trying to do what's right by you know, getting people aware of how not safe and effective most vaccines are. UM. But you know, like I said, I am a little

concerned about him running as a Democrat. I've I know, his interview that he had with Kim iverson she kind of you know, talked about that a little bit. I mean, this is a guy running for president who's been on the Corbor Report, who's been on a lot of you know, alternative media UM podcasts, and yet also a lot of mainstream media shows. And I love the fact that he's he's kind of drawing this connection between the two.

It's like, Hey, these people aren't that crazy. And you know, I think, um, you know, he's almost giving credibility to some of the people in our community because he was willing to come on these shows and knock on wood. I don't want to jinx myself, but um, I guess I'll announce it here. But we are in conversations with his press

team on him coming on Ripple Effect podcasts. And it's actually one thing that I keep thinking about because he was supposed to be on last Sunday, but I had a bunch of soccer stuff going on with my kids and I coached some of their teams and all this stuff, so it got really difficult and they kind of hit me up last second, and I'm like, I can't. I'm on the road for soccer games and I'm away from the studio.

But I'm hoping that we can figure something out. But before I have him on, I actually am very curious about other people in the community, like yourself and many others. I've been meaning to like tweet it or maybe telegram or throwing out an email and just getting some feedback from other people with community, like what are questions and concerns you guys have about him running? Because

I want to be honest in regards to interviewing him. I don't want to be a fanboy just talk about all the great stuff he's running for president, So I don't want to just talk about all the great things he's done, but I want to talk about, like what's his perspective of on many issues that are going to be important issues when if he did get into office, and then really just you know, not give him a tough interview, but at least be willing to ask questions because I, like I said, I

am concerned about him running as a Democrat. Well, let me let me you know what you've said that now I think five times according to my account, believe it or not, that you're concerned about him running as a Democrat. So allow we'd interrupt you and vivisect part of what's going on here.

I got two directions I need to go in, So a little bit of patience from me, okay, because these are honest concerns, and quite frankly you you are going to just like you, you want to get a little bit of a read on maybe me just to get a you know, a little piece of what's going on in the uh let's call it the atypical philosophical and intellectual part of the all media community, whatever you want to call it. At this point, Indie indie media, indie thinkers. You might want

to sample me. I need to sample you because I think that you'll be an exemplar of some issues that are going to come up here among people that I have a kinship with, but I am decidedly separated from. Now. I won't explain that comment right now because I think it's going to get explained as I not dissect, because it's not dead. We're going to do a vivisection a part of what you've just stated and where we're at you game, Yeah, absolutely, Okay, five times I believe could have been four,

but I'm pretty sure five five times. You're concerned about this guy running as a Democrat. Now I'm making an assumption here, and maybe you'll correct me, But the big question is going to come at the end. My assumption that you might have to correct is this somehow or other being a Democrat is

worse than being a Republican. So you're kind of implying, at least the way I'm hearing it, that if he had an R next to his name, it would be less disconcerting than the D. So I think I know the answer to this, and I feel terribly about it because it's one of the things that does subdivide me from I'm sorry, a lot of you guys that are doing indie media but have spoken and unspoken agreements where you come together in a very unified way, Okay, and this is one of those issues

where you do, here's the thing to me, Democrat. It's got a whole basket of bad stuff that comes along with it that's guaranteed to be attached to the modern Democratic Party, but also the Republican Party has plenty of poison attached to it as well, and quite frankly, on balance, I see a very well balanced you know, lesser of two evils. There's still two evils. Pick one. As far as I'm concerned now, I don't want you to go and have to deal with that. I want to know why

the contrast, because you clearly laid that out. In my mind, maybe I'm wrong that it's worse to be a Democrat. It's worse to be signed on with the corporate Democrat establishment as opposed to being signed on with the corporate Republican establishment. So I'm curious in general, without even being specific about Bobby Kennedy Junior, tell me why that is if I'm correct about that assumption, and keep that answer short, just so I can really get you to expand

on part two of that question when I ask it. Please, So, what is the giant contrast that makes it necessary for you to have to keep mentioning it really concerns me that he's on the Democratic side, which again I know I'm repeating myself. It's more for a listener, not for you, Ricky, because you're a smart guy. You already know where I'm going. But again for the listener to be very very clear, I hear that you're

making a decisive contrast between Republican and Democrat. Could you tell me what that is or if I'm wrong about it. So the reason why it's concerning is because I'm actually quite surprised that he's not running as an independent engagement would be horrenous. Now, the difference between if there, if I were to expand on why the Democratic Party would would be I mean, obviously he's he's a

Kennedy. Running as a Republican would definitely would not make much sense. But the other reason why running as a Democrat doesn't make a lot of sense either is because one of the issues that he's been the most involved in is it has been like he's been one of the faces of the anti vaccine movement for lack of better term, and recently, especially of late, it seems like it you see many more people on the Democratic side that are causing these issues

and being much more idealistic with their opinions on the so much more extreme with their opinions on it. So that's why it's it was a little bit surprising it was surprising, like I said, but one, it was surprising that he didn't run as an independent. I get why, you know, I do understand why he would do that, because if you're trying to get into debates. Of everybody who runs, they talk about it, how like if you don't get in debates, you have zero chance. Ron Paul was a

libertarian. He ran as a Republican. Right people kind of knew that, like he'sn't you know, he really has libertarian views. But to be in the conversation, he almost had to run as a Republican. So but in Shorthand. In Shorthand, though, you have to go with one of the major parties if you want guaranteed ballot access in all fifty states. I mean, that's really what the bottom line is. Even aside from the debates and whatever it is. You can buy commercial airtime, et cetera, et cetera.

It kind of comes down to that, doesn't it. Ballot access is assured only in all fifty states only if you're a part of one of the two wings of what I describe as the one party system. You have to be an R or a D in order to have ballot access. I mean, isn't that the bottom line? Yeah, yeah, well, I mean basically, you have to join one of the cults or clubs or gangs if you want to play their game. And that's I think that's what he did.

Like Bernie Sanders probably did not belong as a Democrat. Let's go on the other side of the equation, right, he really should have been an independent under the Socialist or under the let's call it the you know, the the Democrat Classic party, right, you know, like when they came out with new Coke and they had Classic Coke which wound up becoming coke again, you know, again the corporate branding. It's very relevant. The thing is

Bernie Sanders probably not legitimately a Democrat per se. Ron Paul probably not legitimately a Republican. Of course, it's more conducive to his overall viewpoint, and he maintained that. But another guy who probably should have had an eye in front of his name instead of an R. But he went with it again ballad access and it's got it's you know, pros and cons. But it just seemed to me like what if he did run as a Republican because other

relatives, other people in the bloodline. Believe it or not, there are many different cousins, second cousin, third cousin, this that third thing. I mean, there's even a congressman named John Kennedy the third or whatever in Congress who is some distant relative and he's a Republican. There are various Republicans, either they share the name or they don't, that are part of the bloodline that have gone in all different directions, more liberal, less liberal.

I mean, clearly there's a a huge difference between the Democratic Party that his father and indeed his uncle were rock stars within. But you know so today's modern Democratic Party really truthfully, intellectually, spiritually does not even remotely match what was. But having said all that, why do you think it's even more disconcerting if he gives in to the Democratic side, because saying that, well, he's more on the ANTIQ back. I don't know that that doesn't sound

like that's the whole explanation. What really, I mean, really nuts and bolts, what's the I mean, I just have this feeling that in general, it's just a little less grading to your being in general, that somebody is a Republican as opposed to a Democrat. I mean not to the point of being like Alex Jones was, the left right paradigm is false, The left right paradigm is false. E left right paradigm is false, but the right wing is kind of Okay, the left right, you're not doing that.

But what is it that's just really the bottom sticking point. I mean, are they more totalitarian in their ways? Is that what the key is? They're less about personal freedoms. I mean, give me a real broad stroke here. What is the toxicity level that is even greater with the Democrats than it would be if he came out and said, you know what,

I'm running as a Republican. Well, I mean, the majority of his interviews and the majority of his work the last few years or I mean for quite a few years now, has been vaccine related and medical freedom related. So if you look at it, who's been the most extreme in regards that are like pushing you know, vaccines on a children and the mandates all that

stuff, It's been people on the left. I mean, that's you know, but in regards to the left right thing, and I look at things like, okay, at this current time, who seems to be worst? And you can put your focus on either one at the moment right now when you look at like the left has completely lost their mind. Not to say that the rights any better. Now, there's been times in my life where

it's been completely you know, reversed. When I first got into politics for lack of better term, or just kind of learning what's really or trying to understand what's really going on in the world and trying to see, you know, where a lot of these issues lie, it seemed to be like a lot of my focus was again, you know, was Republicans, like they seem to be a cause of a lot of the world issues. Obviously, you know, as you grow you realize like they're all getting money from the

same people. They're all for, you know, expanding the military industrial complex are all for, you know, giving big farm of money that are all for, you know, the same things. But you know, after nine eleven, obviously the Republicans and the neo cons they were a big part of pushing these unjust wars and all this stuff. So a lot of my focus was that, and a lot of people used to say things like, oh, what do you think democrats are perfect? If you think democrats are are

you know, there's no bad democrat. I'm like, no, no, just right now, my focus is on them because my focus needs to be on them. They seem to be the worst at the moment, and they seem to be the ones causing, um, you know, more of the issues in the world than the other ones. Not to say that I can't find issues on the other side. And you can even make like you said, you can either make the argument that it doesn't really fucking matter if you have a D or R nest your name, Like what does it matter?

It just you know, you basically should just you know, look at them and be like, hey, they're all getting money from obvious. You know, I've I've talked to Jack abram Off, you know, I've I've had them on for that purpose because I wanted to highlight how ridiculous it is the fact that people think like, oh, it's it's because of this, or it's because it's like no, they all they all get given language and they say, here, put this in the bill. They don't even care what

it stands for, what it is or whatever. They don't care about any of that stuff. So if they ever even bothered to read the damn things that are presented or allegedly, you know, an assumed by their staffers who give them a summary. I love, by the way, you want to talk about somebody who did something good on the left, And again not saying that I endorsed the man, but when Michael Moore came out with that congressman who sat there, sit down, my son, we don't read any of

the legislature. I thought that was beautiful because that absolutely made a superb point. That was undoubtedly something that most people didn't consider. So what you're saying is it's based on the emergent behaviors and what else could we call it? The posture of the overall Democratic Party, in your mind, is just more toxic, more more dangerous, more painful, more punishing to freedom and people in general at this moment. Yeah, they just seem more problematic at the

moment. And not to say that the you know, and again it's like, I'm not a Republican. I mean, I'm not a religious person. You know, I could say I'm a spiritual person, but I'm not like a classic religious conservative or anything like that. I've never once even you know, consider myself of a Republican or conservative or anything from the right. I actually to be honest, Like, growing up, I used to debate a

lot of Republicans. I get in like, you know, just debates with them because of the wars, right, Like a lot of times when having to defend that team, it's your team. So durn I remember during Iraq Wars, during our invasion, of involvement in Afghanistan, and just about every military um you know uh strategy that they had, you know, that was or at least sold to the public. I would always say, like,

that's not really why they're doing it. And a Republican would or a conservative would be like, no, no, it was because there are danger to our freedoms or you know, we're fighting terrorism or any of this stuff. And I'm like, dude, what are you talking. No, that's not why we're there. We're doing it to help haula burn and k are and yeah. So in the day, okay, rewind twenty years, it's two thousand and two. What you're telling me is you would have been more concerned

about the Patriot Act, the war mongering and profiteering. It would have been like, wait a minute, the right wing, the Republicans are actually the ones who are more toxic, more in my face they're prosecuting wars under false pretenses and also creating justifications to rob people of their constitutional freedoms which they're actually endowed by by the matter of their creation. Okay, regardless of who you think created them, etc. The fact that you are created and you have

life means you are endowed with certain rights. They're not granted to you by the government. These people are actually trying to encroach upon the intended memorialization of it at this time, and for what for profiteering for war, to make money, yes, and to increase the tightness of their grip their stranglehold on

people in general. So at that time, if Bobby Kennedy came out and put an arm in front of his name and was deciding to run for president, you would have said, hey, I'm concerned here because he's going with the toxic side of the equation. Yeah, I mean, well, well, hypothetically obviously, but yeah, yeah, of course, I mean again, like neither, I don't. I'm not one of those people that I've

never even cared about. I still don't care about politics because at the end of the day, like I you know, I'll go to the gym and I'll have people at the gym. Hey, you know this Nancy Pelosi did this or what. And I'm like, I don't care about this theater.

Like to me, I like looking at things from the big picture, and I like kind of zooming out because you can really, you can get really caught up in like everyday events and all this like you know drama, this political drama of like oh, this person doesn't get along with that person, or this person did this and this person. You know, it's like I don't here. Like to me, it's like it doesn't it doesn't really have

a major effect on things. And typically what you're seeing on TV is just the theater, and you don't it's a puppet show, and the people controlling the puppets are the are the people that I'm really interested in, and I'm really interested in their you know, their global plan and how they're you know, the baby steps in certain directions, you know, and and the thing is like a lot of this stuff like you know p Nact before nine to eleven, um, you know, and all these things that happened that that

you know, you could kind of see like Okay, there's a there's a playbook, and we're going into a specific direction, and to me, it's like trying to figure that out and seeing the baby steps and trying to connect the puzzle pieces. To me, that's much more important to to basically, And at the end of the day, like every major issue that that happens in the world, you can find Democrats and Republicans that are all on board,

you know, like they were all on board going to war. They're all on board, you know a lot of this stuff so um, you know, in regards to the vaccine issue and the mandates, I do think that a lot of people like I I what I stand for hasn't changed now the people who happened to be fighting for a lot of the similar things. That has changed. When I first got into podcasting and I was talking about organic food and I was talking about pesticides and GMOs and all this stuff.

Guests who was also pushing for you know, um to get pests, you know, to fight against monsanto and you know, um GMOs and all this stuff, it was people on the on the left. And now like I'm still fighting for the same things. I'm fighting against chemical companies and big pharma and and and getting people to try to live a more natural lifestyle. And and do things that you should be doing, like exercising and breathing clean air, and eating things you can pick and grow and kill and uh and farming

and all this stuff. Like now it just happens that the same people that are four of those things just happened to be more on the right. You know, when I was going to um, uh you know, uh anti COVID vaccine rallies, you know, which is a a a subject and topic that I've been I've never really changed. I've always been very pro like, increase your immune system naturally if you can. You know, I'm not a fan of vaccines. I go to these rallies and what would I see?

Tons of Trump signs. It's not that I'm a Trumper. I'm not a Trump fan. But it just happened that the people who were Trump fans were fighting for the same thing I'm fighting. So it's like it's, you know, like that's saying if I'm a enemy of my enemy is my friend or however it goes, but like basically we're both fighting for the same It's just the way the wind, the way the political and psychological and historical wind has decided to blow, you end up you know, let's imagine this as a

giant yard full of leaves. You're kind of ending up in a pile of leaves that happen to be red colored at the moment and happened to be uh, well, you know, a bunch of Trump stamps on them, right, Okay, that is that is what's going on temporarily, But not because you're adopting everything that they're saying. It just so happens that at this moment it is aligning with some of the things that they are making noise about.

Now as to whether that's a legitimate thing coming from everybody on the right, just like I don't think it was always legitimate when people on the left fought for certain things. I think you have a good deal of that on all sides. So you know, again, I think reevaluation is necessary at all points. But I want to stick to the RFK issue and not devolve into just the okay, have you gone into Trump landier or not, because that to me is just you know, it's just such a waste of time anyway

to go back into this. If you don't mind, I mean, look, if you're if you want to change directions, let me know Ricky. We could do it right now, live and we could talk about anything, but I'm enjoying this deeper dive. Do you mind, No, not at all. I mean I'm done to talk about anything and everything. So you know, if we can talk about a thousand different subjects where we can talk

to focus on one, I'm cool with either way. Excellent. Let's keep firing at the RFK situation because I find this to be a very curious and informative examination. When it comes to people that I know are thoughtful, that I know are informing themselves and simultaneously informing others, I think it's very important to examine exactly where it's coming from. Okay, so back to the RFK

thing. Because I find myself in a curious position. I want you, if you feel like it, to go ahead and get your sample that you wanted from me, at least my little you know, three grains of sand that you're going to need for the whole beach coming from me because I'm a weirdo. But get them any which way you want when I'm done here, please, here's the thing, another part of this RFK thing. Because I'm a little conflicted for different reasons again, I don't want to lionize, and

believe me, I don't understand how you call these Democrats liberals. To me, none of what they do is actually liberal. I have more. I might actually be a classic liberal somewhere. I mean a liberal as in libertarian type of liberal. But look enough about me. I want to get back

to you. Here's the thing. If he goes independent, I get it, that's a choice and everything else, but we've already outlined how that could be counterproductive overall a guy like this on balance, even if you do see and by the way, I still even though you're currently finding the Dems to be more damaging than the rip pubs, you know, one gang or the other. Jesse Ventur did a great thing. What was it, the real blood Lakins and the and the Democrits right something like that. Yeah, I

see crypts are blue. Yeah, that all makes sense. The blue bandanna goes with Okay, got it? Anyhow, great thing there. But and it is like a street gang for for pussies, um, you know, because they would never actually do the dirty work themselves. I mean, at least, if you're gonna go be a blood, you gotta go get a buck in a quarter, which means you gotta slash somebody's face with a razor

to get one hundred and twenty five stitches. And that's called getting a bucket a quarter in the Northeastern You know gang rights of being a blood anyway, Why do I know these things? Another another podcast? Um, I was never a blood. I was never a member of any street gang anyway. Back to it though, um So with Bobby Kennedy and him coming out now, I'm already seeing he's got a guy that was part of Black Rock that is coming in to assist with his financial situation. I don't know if you

know about that. Some people look at it as, oh, great, a successful businessman is going to come in and run some of the financial aspects of his campaign. I of course have mixed feelings about that. You and I both know a little bit about Blackrock and what goes on there. You can't argue with their success, But is it nefarious? What's up with that? And also, is this a guy who's going to come in and sort

of kneecap things from the inside. Because of my estimation when certain people got involved with Ron Paul's campaign, all of the legitimate sentiment all of the legitimate support, all of the people that were coming together with the idea that they actually had a different option on the table. You know, all that good

stuff sort of got kneecapped. Same thing again. I like giving you both sides as best I can when there's allegedly two sides, you know, Bernie Sanders, when people, really the corporate Democrat people got involved in there, all of a sudden, the guy who looked like he was about ready to overtake the establishment candidate, they couldn't legitimately generate, you know, enough enthusiasm

to get a fart bubble out of a bathtub. Okay, when it came to Hitlery Clinton, excuse me, Hitlery, Sorry, I shouldn't never bring up hitler insult to German people, Hillary Clinton. Yeah, when you're dealing with that, right, and that's the opposition they needed to silence, cut down, slow down, and completely kneecapped Bernie Sanders hole movement. You end up with a movement, and this time it's a BM instead of the actual

thing. They kneecapped him. They've done this to many different candidates, a lot quicker, a lot sooner, a lot easier, and it happens. This is literally one of the great well moves. When it comes to controlled opposition, you control the opposition, you create the illusion of a possibility of Sorry, I have to laugh before I was saying hope and change, right,

you know, abandon all hope, beg for change. And oh, by the way, if you didn't like hope and change for brown people, we give it to you for orange Excuse me, I mean white people when it comes to Trump, because again I believe another deception. Here is your alleged opposition. Embrace it. Embrace it because it has no legitimate chance of actually changing anything. Anyhow, Ignore all that. Here's the thing, what about the idea that he might just indeed be dangerous enough to be derailed?

Because I'm sure if somebody, somehow, you know, did a terrible thing like becoming a lone wolf assassin with three names and got to a guy again ironically much like his father, I mean, that would tell me that he's certainly represented a very serious threat to the establishment. Anyhow, I could definitely see somebody making moves to kneecap him right away, etc. Etc. And all of his focus, by the bye, has not been just on vaccines.

I know that that's part of what you and I would see, because it definitely stuck out like a sore tongue, and he definitely made some noise. I mean, the Anthony Fauci book alone was definitely an eye opener, and all that plus many other statements he made, I mean, even coming down to the whole situation with the convicted assassin of his father, right and

siding with the idea that maybe he should be paroled. You're aware of that too, right, Ricky, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's That's one of the reasons why I have a little bit of faith in him is because I do know because of you know, where he stands on his uncle and

his dad's assassination. Obviously he's quite aware of the deep state and the inner workings of government and who pulls the strings, because I think his family members, as dad included, push back a little bit and or a lot of bit and and got themselves in some trouble because of it, and so it

makes me it's a little confusion. And again this adds a little bit of the confusion of why he would would have any faith in either political party, unless, like you said before, it was because they understand, like you have to at least at least consider yourself a part of one of the gangs to h to at least be able to play the game. And um so I think, you know, more importantly than what he calls himself, you

know, an independent Democrat, whatever it may be. More important than that is like what he stands for and what he says, and what you know, what he he says he's gonna try to implement and change. To me, that's the part that you know that I think people should listen to. Now, you know, maybe they shouldn't put a whole lot of focus on you know, what he's running as, and focus more on you know, what he says, because at the end of the day, like you said,

Ron Paul's a perfect example. He's somebody who and Bernie Sanders, I mean Bernie. The problem with the US is that there's only two political parties, or at least the only two political parties that matter, and only two political parties that people let U be the focus of, uh, you know, the running for president. So regardless if your ideologies or your worldviews or your perspectives don't fit in those boxes, you have to find a way to fit in those boxes, because if not, you're just not a part of

the conversation. So I think that's what happened. Um, you know, I know, you know the links between you know, the Black Rock and the you know, some of the people that there's there's all these rooms that circling I don't know how true they are, and I don't know how you know, Schicy the people are that he's putting around him. Well, that's not a rumor. That's that's been announced by the guy himself and also acknowledged by orf K Junior that he has brought this guy in to do some of

the workings when it comes to his the financial end of his campaign. That's not rumor or anything. And that guy definitely was with Black Rock as far as I know. I mean, unless you've got some other information that somehow this has been elaborately presented in a weird way. Even somebody writing with doctor McCullough's group was writing about it day before yesterday, I think, well,

you know, and that might be the case. But the thing is we have to be like reserve a little bit of judgment because you look at like somebody like Edward Dowd, who's been doing a bunch of interviews. He's the one who wrote I think he wrote the book Sudden Death, or he's been on a bunch of shows he's and he worked for black Rock and that's one of them. Yeah, he's now doing amazing work getting the information out there and getting people aware of the fact that we you know, deaths all over

the world of just increased drastically. And this guy, I would say, is one of the good guys. And yet you know, he worked for a black Rock So I think sometimes, you know, we do have to reserve judge when you might get somebody who worked for a very shitty corporation and or a company or was a part of a group, but maybe you know, they worked there for a little bit of time, or maybe they they they worked there, but they weren't a part of any of the other stuff

that we're discussing. You know, maybe there he was just investing in a part of you know, office space that was really not focused on trying to control everything. He was just focused on his specific job of like investing or whatever he was doing. So you know, it's it is one of those things where like I have to do a little bit more of a deep dive. I want to believe that maybe this guy is just good for the job, and when he worked at Black Rock, he was just good at what

he was doing, you know. And you know, I remember, I can't remember who it was. There's but quite a few really good guests that I've had on that we're investment bankers at big firms or you know, or you know, did something else that you're like, oh, you work for them. You know, they're very evil, they're bad, but you know

they happen to be good people who are now doing amazing work. So you know, yeah, I mean, you definitely don't want to jump to conclusions and um, and maybe he is the best person for the job, and maybe he's not. Uh you know, the person he hired isn't somebody who but you're right, But you also have to be skeptical of the fact that like maybe they're trying to sabotage or maybe they're there. You know, that's

also a concern. So there is a you know, the thing about this, uh, this Kennedy running thing is that there's a lot of speculation, a lot of like what if, and there's we don't really have much more information to run on, like we kind of have to like listen to interviews,

get his perspectives, see what he believes in. I know there's been a lot of people concerned about his perspective on um energy companies and alternative energy and all this type of um What like, what what's your concerns about him or or do you not have concerns? And what's just your opinion on him running? Are you concerned about, you know, his perspectives on anything, if it's energy, if it's military, if it's whatever it may be.

Are there any concerns and also are there any things you like about him that maybe give you a little bit of hope. Well, I'll be straightforward with you, and I know it doesn't sound like it during this discussion, but here's the thing I have not been happy with or engaged in. I have not voted for quite a while because I found it pointless, useless, and there was absolutely nobody that I would want to endorse at the top of just

about any ticket. I have withdrawn for the most part from voting and I comment on it. I also feel as though it's best for me to remain objective, so I'm not rooting for a team or anything. You know what I mean or an individual. I'm just trying to look back at everything objectively. When it comes to all the political parties and all the offices being offered, my faith in the system is effectively at an anti faith status, and

that's the way it is. And yet I'll tell you that rfk Jr. Having a legitimate run might put me back in to where I think that if this guy gets anywhere with it, it shows that there might be just enough wiggle room in the corrupt, clamp down bought and paid for almost hollow system, a bullshit that they have hoisted upon us all for about the entire time I've been living and breathing on this planet. There might actually be hoped that

there is some way that we could be represented. And I don't have to agree with everything, I don't have to like everything. On balance, I can say this that my objective you with a guy, and I've been observing him for many years for many reasons, to see what he might do regarding the assassinations, etc. I say this is that first of all, he

could get into a position of power and change a bit. He does seem to be open to the idea of well, gee, I have new information, so I might alter my opinion based on being better informed in general across

the board. That's the kind of guy who seems to be, and I might re engage with this thing called voting and the selections which are generally preordained toxic and have virtually nothing to do with me when it comes to selecting these people, and whether I support them or not, or whether I support their ideas or not, things are going to get done. And I think that is the status for most of us who don't have be paid to play resources

bank accounts to really engage. If you can't buy a piece of the system, you ain't playing. You got to buy chips to play in the casino. And if you can't afford the chips, you're just an observer. That's the way I feel I have been, and continue to be and will continue to be. But a ray of hope is here. Not saying oh,

here comes to the Savior. No, But a ray of hope is there that perhaps if this guy gets anywhere near a position of power, then that means that there is a vague, small minute possibility that legitimate individuals who might be able to represent the will of the people. One way or another and to do some honest, decent things from a position of power in our corrupt system. They might actually be a possibility, a potential reality as opposed to

the fairy tale that I have pretty much consistently believed. This whole thing is sounds a little odd, doesn't it. Well? No, but but were you a fan of Ron Paul when he ran? And if not, yes, what are you were? Okay? So yeah, it's a very because I feel like they're very similar. The fan base is gonna be very similar in regards to um why we like them as a possible uh you know, like you said, an opportunity to have some hope and and somebody running that

that might actually be decent and and go beyond that. Let me tell you a couple of other presidential candidates that were possibilities, and a couple of them got close or got onto the ballot under an independent label. Even though Cynthia McKinney has personally pissed off at me a little bit, Um, I love her. I would have gladly he's seen her as president or vice president. Cynthia McKinney Ron Paul I thought would have been a great candidate if he was

allowed to exercise any sort of power from that office. And guess what, I also think that Bernie Sanders would have been a very very nice shake up to the system. Okay, we got problems across the board. I mean, I would definitely prefer Cynthia McKinney's view on Israel as opposed to Ron Paul's view or even Bernie sanders view. Right, I might approve of some of

the things that Ron Paul had to say regarding the economic situation. I definitely would have loved to have seen the entire system that we have with the Federal Reserve altered, put back into the control of the people that are actually participating in the system. Would have loved to have seen a lot of things like that. But you see, I'm not all that, you know. I say some of that stuff, and immediately I know you're not gonna hang up on me, Ricky, I don't think. But some people would hang up

on me with the Bernie Sanders mentioned. Some people would hang up on me with the hey, look, Israel not a fan. Not because I got problems with Jewish people, of course, but because I had problems with open air concentration camps and also there is a dubious situation there regarding what happened to the Palestinians. And I know and these are my opinions, not those of Ricky Brande's or anybody else connected to this discussion. Let's make that clear.

I'm not speaking for anybody but myself. But there is a wide array of things. And do I think Bobby Kennedy would be great on all foreign policy fronts? No, But in general, I think he would be less likely to want to engage US in wars for the sake of the military industrial complex alone. I think that medical freedom might be something that is important to him.

I think that people's freedoms in general might be important to him. I even got a bad taste in my mouth though, a few years ago, when the price tag for getting him to show up or anything was twenty five thousand dollars. And I have several times attempted to get him on my show. I would love to have fifteen minutes with him to ask him a few questions. But have I answered your question, Ricky? Yeah, I mean,

well, I'm curious, But I'm curious. So you told me he would give you a little ray if sunshine from the hope sun but a little bit of But is there any You've said, you've heard him talk, but a bit what issues would you have with him? Like running? I mean,

are there any concerns about him? Just I mean, are there any concerns about this idea of because I think we're both kind of on the same page in regards to knowing that it's basically a rigged system if he's part of the system, um either you know, is there any concern about him maybe potentially becoming a part of the problem, right, like potentially you know, um, not having any and even if it's heart's in the right place, like you said, I'm I believe Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, even Trump

supporters. I think a lot of these people, Ralph Nader, Ross Perrow, these are all people. I think their supporters have a lot of similarities. They're basically like, Hey, I'm sick of the same old cookie cutter politician. We need something drastically different. Even if different isn't better, it's we need different something yeah, right, And it's the same thing, you

know, the socialism thing. And and you're probably you probably know that, like you know, a lot of people in this community, especially in the community that I hang out, and there are a lot of people on the right, a lot of like really extreme libertarians who believe in no government or very little to no government. I'm not against the idea of entertaining some socialist

ideas. I think that whatever perfect system, if it were to exist, it probably would be a mixture of a lot of different ideologies, and socialism being one of them. I like the in theory. I like the idea of us all contributing to help each other, and I think in theory it's it's not a bad thing. And I think a lot of people don't realize that they are okay with some socialist ideas like police officers, paved roads.

There's a lot of these. I mean, these are socialistic ideas that this idea that we all contribute for a service, we all contribute for the greater good. So I think, you know, so I remember having a debate with a police officer friend of mine, you know who's who basically said all socialism is awful, you know, you know it's it's you know, all just completely just being over the top. And I'm like, you do realize, like your job wouldn't exist in that world, that didn't have some type

of socialism because you are paid by the taxpayer. You are a part. We all contribute for your services. So you know, that's a socialist idea, you know, a in a um you know another world that where if you wanted to remove all socialist ideas from from the face of the earth,

you wouldn't exist, or you'd be a private contractor. And I don't you know, And in this you know alter reality that libertarians or anarchic libertarians live in where they think private contractors could do the job or would do the job. And again there's flaws in those theories too. I think at the end of the day, the causes of our issues are always going to exist because

the causes of our issues isn't a ism. It's corruption. And anytime power, as you know, power, you know, corrupts absolutely like it's you know, the left blames blames, uh, you know, corporations for the root of all evil are and in the right blames government for the root of all evil. And the one thing they all have in common is that it's corrupt people who ruin things. And you know, and that's not going to change. It doesn't matter if you have more or less government or more or

less corporations doing things without government. Like, at the end of the day, wherever there's money and power, there's gonna be people who are going to take advantage of the system, regardless what type of system you have. Unions in the beginning were there for a purpose, right, you had to dust for a revolution. You had all these rich families, Rockefellers, the Carnegie's, like, all these people making tons of money and not giving people time

off, not giving people breaks, not sharing some of the wealth. Right they're making all the money was being funneled up to the top, and these people weren't getting any raises, they weren't getting time off, they weren't getting any any benefits. So unions came around and said, hey, will represent you. Here's somebody who will have your back or a group that will have

your back and help try to get you a fear wage. And then eventually that organization the unions got became just as corrupt as the people they were trying to fight against. So that happens time. So like the common thread is always wherever there are people, there will be corrupt people. So it doesn't matter what they're defending or what their purposes or what their origin story is. Eventually, you know, whoever there's money and power, there will be issues.

So exactly, well, it look, Ricky, and I've taken you way over the time that I wanted to discuss all this with you, and I really appreciate your indulgence, your patience, and your time. But I wanted to kind of tie a bow on this right now. And I'll tell

you why, because I take this as an interesting sign. While we're speaking, I'm looking over at an email, and I just got an email making many of the very same points that you just made, Okay, but they sent it ahead of you making those points, answering part of what I was saying, kind of pinging me a little more for believing in the socialist there, you know, giving me a bit of crap about that. But you know where it came from is a guy who started out his email very long.

One started out his email reminding me that I should always re examine people and not judge them simply based on some of the more historically significant things they participated in. The ironic thing. I'm not going to reveal the name of the individual who emailed this to me, but the ironic thing is that he's probably an extremely well known organized crime figure that does privately email me and second

or third generation. I know, if you've ever watched a documentary on Lakosa Nostra that covered the SA seventies, eighties or nineties, this guy had to come up in that documentary, Okay. And it just so happens he's a listener and is listening to us right now, So you know, bon jour, no IMG, but you know here we are, and you're right. People do change and things do change, and I do feel good about the idea that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Would be a whole lot more of

a legitimate candidate. I think that's the thing that I'm looking for, a legitimate representative in government. It just seems that that's the way he would come off. And yes, I'm aware, just like you are, Ricky, that no matter what, he could get in there and discover that he's a whole lot more handcuffed than he really is. I think this happened to let's go for both sides of the equation, as I so often love to do.

I think this happened to both John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon for instance, I think that both of them had this crazy idea that they were in charge and got shown that they were not. Now, it was a little too soon to put a bullet into Richard Nixon's head, too eliminate the issue at the top there that might not cash them in and get them all of what it is they wanted that they them those with the agendas. So

instead, what do you do? You sabotage them by sending in CIA guys who actually trained people about how to do breaking and entering jobs black bag work, and make sure that they screw it up well enough that a hapless security guard can pick up the fact that there's a burglary happening. You know, you start out things that way, and then you get a guy who has to resign after a bit because it's a lot less messy, believe it or

not. Then you know, somehow having a situation where a guy in an open top limousine get some how publicly executed in front of about four hundred witnesses. I mean, it's a lot easier to do it that way. It's a little cleaner. It looks a little more like a natural event, doesn't it. But anyway, I'm just saying what I mean to say here is again not wishing any ill on Bobby Kennedy Junior, and not saying that I lionize him as a great you know, Oh, the Savior has arrived,

the Mashiak is here. No. But what I am saying is it does legitimately give me that Ron Paul and nostalgia Ron I had some faith in. I thought he could do some good at the very least changing things for the right direction, etc. But not necessarily as enthusiastic because I might actually be about Robert F. Kennedy Junior, and not because he's a Kennedy, but because he's shown balls to go out there and do things in spite of what the official position is supposed to be, in spite of his party says,

in spite of what his own family says. This is a guy who's willing to go out there and speak truth to power and power to truth. So sorry, I happen to be on the side of this might be a good thing. This guy running and winning. Now, Kenny Willie, is there a possibility Willie be sabotaged? Ricky? I say this, unless you've got a great crystal ball. I think we're all just gonna have to stay tuned.

What do you think about that? Yeah, I agree. I mean, like, like we talked about before, I'm hearing a lot of people in the alternative media community bringing up all these you know, what ifs and speculations and whatever. But you know, I kind of feel like, you know what, we kind of just have to wait and see how it pans

out. Like why stay here and demonize somebody that hasn't even done anything wrong yet and really has been on our side and many of these issues for a long time, But now just because he's thrown his name in the race, all of a sudden, we want to demonize him because now you're acting like he's joined the other team. And I think he has just like his family

members, his father and his uh can change things from inside. Um. But in a way, I'm also a little surprised that he does think he can change things from the inside because because of his dad and you know the way um, you know, the story of his father and his uncle ended

and and to me, so it's like that's the other part too. It's like I can see why he would have faith because of you know those family um, that family history but I also would understand why he wouldn't have faith because they attempted to do the same thing and then look what they did. So that's the part that makes things a little confusing, because I'm like,

Okay, well, you saw what happened to your family members. So it's like, how far do you think you could take it before you're at risk or in danger or you know, or maybe they would even light you went because if you see that the president really lacks actual power and that there's all this other other behind the scenes things going on, and yet you're still willing to run and think that you changed. So it's like, I'm a little confused by that. That's why, you know, tremendous nuance, because again,

one must open their minds to the rest of it too. Ricky, and I don't mean to scold you at all, but please insert this into your equation. His uncle, another one of his uncles, not the one that ended up dead in Daily Plaza, but you know, another one of his uncles was what the longest standing senator in US history, I think, right, Ted Kennedy. Now, look, you can talk about what he had an effect on or what kind of an effective politician he was or was

he just a you know, a drunken mess all the time. Whatever. There's lots of different ways to go here, but one thing you cant says that the guy didn't have an effect in general on the country. Okay, so you got that nuance to enter in, and you've also got another even

harsher warning sign, which would be in his own generation. John F. Kennedy Jr. Seems like, and I'm not saying this is absolutely certain, but it seems like the moment that his cousin, his first cousin, decided to show any sort of interest in doing what he is precisely doing right now, a plane crashed and that was the end of that. Under odd circumstances.

Of course, his uncle who had that long standing effect. I don't know if you know this, but in nineteen sixty four, I think it was sixty four or right around there, you know, he was also involved in a plane crash where his back was broken. That's Ted Kennedy, right. Plus you know about Chap a quick and hey, maybe there's some suspicious stuff that went on there is that entirely is doing. Was he just you know, drunken, reckless playboy, rich boy, maybe, but there are

other things going on. Maybe there's a lot to dig into and a lot of things that he would be privy to that you and I have a clue about but don't necessarily know all of the nuances. So the thing is, it is interesting to consider how informed he is and exactly what that means to him and what it is his motivation is how much risk is he taking in his own mind? Is this something to be lauded or are we getting fooled

again? You know, very much like the hope and change bs that Madison Avenue sold people on Barack Obama right again, as I said, became abandoned all hope and beg for change, because that's going to work out a lot better than trying to work a job that he had paid you know, next to nothing for good luck. But at the same time, they gave you another hope and change. Don't worry, we're gonna change at all. We're gonna make America great again. Now we can debate about when I'm Erica was

great. But here's the Orange guy. So you know, into my mind that was just here's Bush. Here's Bush's you know, discount cousin. Then oh, here's another Bush bush Light. Then we go for Bush Dark, which is effectively Barack Obama. Take the joke anyway you want. Next, how about a what would they call that now? A micro brew? It's got an orange tint to it, maybe an orange tin. You know,

they put orange flavoring and beer. Now I can't, I can't do it, but they do this, yeah, and it is very much like the beer, and it's not bud light. And I don't care who they put on the can. It still tastes like piss. Anyway, Is there a possibility of a change? Is there something legitimate outside of the Grand Puppet Show? I stay stay tuned, Ricky, and I say people should stay tuned to youth. So once again, if you go to Ricky Barandez dot com, you like that outro, Ricky? Is that? Is that a good

smooth segue? I like your creativity? Yet I try, man, listen, I can't do the smooth professional that you do. So I've got to do the extemporaneous, you know, mildly poetic stream of consciousness because I don't know how to do it any other way. So so Ricky Brandez dot com the ripple effect, obviously, and hopefully you don't regret coming on, and perhaps you and I'll have another public discussion again soon, either on my show

or yours. Oh and of course Union of the Unwanted is available out there. I'm not often wanted over there, but I have popped up, so I would advise people to tune into that, tune into the ripple effect and all of the other things. Is there anything else that you'd like to remind people they can go ahead and access in order to take a much wider deeper view of your views and the use of the many, many interesting and extremely fascinating guests everybody. By the way, I love the fact that I'm still

envious. Jim Florentine is a get that I would love to have. But of course you've got a lot of guests on because you're that kind of guy. You're worthy of it, and you do a very smooth and professional job. Much better at the video. Well, look, I mean that's not a high bar. I'm the blind guy trying to do videos. So what are you gonna do? But you got a better voice, you got a better demeanor, you got a better all that, and just so happens,

are both of our shows have their word effect in it. But I really appreciate and do respect your work and appreciate the effort in the time which you gave me about a half hour more time today than I actually asked you for. And I'm sorry I've probably taken you away from something much more important, but I appreciated anything else that they should go ahead and look at to get into the mind of Ricky Veranda's First of all, me having a better voice

is very debatable. One thing that isn't debatable is that the two guys that are always talking uh don't have a better voice than your producer who doesn't have a show. So it's it's actually quite a hilarious of a guy with the voice isn't even doing a show. But um and uh and no. I you know I I love having these discussions um, as you could probably imagine. My wife is used to my conversations going a little long and and and going longer than initially anticipated. I think not hold on, hold on not

debatable at all. You're correct about the better voice. And for those of you that don't remember, just a quick cutoff of my microphone to fully play the station I D which is uh ubiquitous at Ocelli dot com radio and is on all of our twenty four seven streams all the time. It is this Voyli dot com. There you go, nature boy. Uh. The the the weapon that we have that has the ultimate voice. We need to get

him doing movie trailers booming out of a THX. I might have to put some warnings out there though for people, like beware, a booming voice might injure you during the course of the movie trailers. But sorry, Ricky again, extemporateous weirdness, please continue. No, I was just saying, I love having these these discussions, and I'm glad we had him. And if it goes long, that's fine. As you know, it's when you're in a deep conversation that always sucks when you have to cut it short. So

it always glad that we were. And this is a very relevant, you know discussion. I mean, these are things that people are thinking a lot of people in our community, just the general public, are thinking about, you know, what to think about the Kennedy running as for president. And you know, we're kind of on the same page where I think a lot of people are up in the air and then don't know quite yet how they feel about it. And I'm glad that I could get another perspective on the

topic, because this is something that's been on my mind. So I'm glad I got to hear your perspective on it. But without a doubt, I mean, these discussions are awesome. I hope people tune into your show, my show, any show in the community that is willing to entertain different opinions and perspectives and don't create just an echo chamber of qann Trumpers or woke lefties.

You know, like if that's never good. You know you want you want different opinions, different perspectives and really right trump or not, woke or not, it's got to go well beyond all of that. So we'll just the show will be its meeting is being recorded or on all the audio platforms within a day or two, and then also on our Odyssey channels. So definitely check out The Union don't want it. Chuck's been on their Nature Boys been on there. Chuck, come on next week if you if you're available

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