The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and listeners like you Yeah and now Grated Noise and Omdia. Thirty first day of May. Hey, there are thirty one days in May, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, twenty twenty four. And this is the O'Kelly effect. And we're live on a Friarsday. Now. I was live on Thursday. I did run some stuff on Wednesday. I had a planned guest for Tuesday that didn't show up. I still haven't found out why. But things are
flowing anyway. It's Friday night, and if you're hearing us live, and that does mean just let's see, it's about twelve minutes after eight pm because I went late to the stream. So we're gonna run the show a little late tonight, but not too much unless I get some participation, how about that? So if we get more calls, if we get some donations, I will keep the show going. If you guys want to talk, I'm already dreading the discussion that we're probably gonna have to have because uh, yesterday's
news, right, Okay, I'll leave it at that. We'll hear more about it later and you'll hear more about lots of stuff later. I'm sure I don't know what people are gonna say or if they're gonna bother to call in, But we're here three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six three one nine five two seven five zero one six. And I didn't even put out the pre show posts on social media to tell people that we're gonna be live. But come on, man, it's already up
there. Friday nights, we do this every Friday. I try to make sure we get to this show as long as I got internet, even if my co hosts can't show up, I try and do this. I don't think we've skipped more than a couple of shows in the past three years that I can think of. I mean, well, I guess there was one I had to skip when I went to Dallas, and what else I don't I don't think i've skipped a Friday night call in now and at least three four years, bet Pete, when was the last time we skipped a show
outside of being on the road to Dallas. It's I don't know. I'm trying to think, now, when did you have your last episode with headaches? Well? I had know we missed one. I think in there, well, I was cripp what a year ago maybe, but I mean I was crippled like a year and a half ago, Like I couldn't even keep my head up, and there was no way I could produce or nothing.
I mean. But other than that, I mean, there was one time where I had internet connections that went out right, and I missed that one. But other than that, it's not We're usually here Friday nights. I mean, look very rare. You bounced on one show because of internet outage, and then you had to go to work one night, and you said it was sick one night. Yeah yeah, or okay, you were sick one night. But I'm just saying, if you think about it, you
could think of maybe five instances in five years. We didn't show up in many at all. You count them on one hand. Because when I was sick was after we got back from Dallas. Remember oh right, yeah, because we were all sick. Yeah, that's why the whole damn hotel was sick. I think, yeah, well we were all mad because remember the well, and we pointed out remember the guy who came by. I think I'm too sick to be here. But I wanted to come by and cough
and breathe on you. I wanted to share it with the crowd. I figured I might as well drop this off with you before I leave. I almost thought we all caught coron ties to China. Maybe he was, you know, maybe maybe he was an agent of the Biden campaign trying to get you. What do you think did DeNiro send him? Probably one of my ex wives. See, now that's way more likely. I could definitely see one of my ex well, my my only ex wife. Actually got one
ex wife. They're both dead, but one of them died while married to me, and one of them I divorced, and then she died years later. But they're family. One of their families would not be beyond sending somebody to go cough some horrible stuff on me. I'm sure I'll never forget.
We had a guy that worked with us, and it was a Christmas party and invited to his wife and we're all sitting around drinking a beer, seeping shit before we eat, and uh, it's something with some comment was made about which one of them would go first, and she made some comment to her husband. She goes, yeah, I know. A week after I'm gone, you'll have some young blonde up there in my house. He started laughing, and we all looked at it. He goes, well, week
or you can't beat the party, won't be over with by them. Yeah, Kim tries to say that stuff all the time. I know, you'll have a woman in here in like a couple of days. I'm like, where am I getting that from? Uh? Really? Women? I don't know any women. I don't have any friends. Where am I getting women from? Really? You don't let me talk to women? How I'm supposed to get one up here? Jesus? Uh? When's the last time you see me talk to a woman? You know? I used to hate that.
Well, my actually belonged to a civic organization, so she would constantly want to go to their events, and I'd go. And these people are about ten years younger than me. It was a whole different group. You know. It's funny, but it's like every female that showed up right, I couldn't send a load to them. I had to hear about it later. I'm going, like, why the hell do you join the fucking club if you're so jealous of all these bad women that are members. I just
don't get it. I don't understand women will. That made me nuts when I was a musician, because if I got to I would always try to get a girlfriend who really wasn't all that interested in my music. And you know why, because this way they wouldn't go with me to shows and stuff.
It would be like, no, you go do that. I don't want to hear it, because otherwise I'll sit there and somebody, inevitably this will happen, right, some female will come up drunk and like I really liked your music, and I'll be like, oh, yeah, thank you very much. You know I got tapes over here. Why don't you buy a demo or a t shirt or And I'm nice to them, right, and why because I want them to buy something, right, And by the way, here's a flyer for our next show. Come to our next show.
And this is the course of doing business now, even when dudes come over to me who were like, dude, man, you're the best man, or you know your guitarist is awesome. Man? You know same thing, right, we'll go buy a tape. Dude. Here here's the flyer for the next show. Hey, why don't you hang out with us? I would do that, and inevitably, if there was a woman with me that wanted to go to the shows, I would spend the next week hearing about it, you know, like a bit you that woman that had you
know, and she always remembered what they were wearing. I didn't. I couldn't see nothing. I'm blind as hell. They know this, and they're going, you know that woman that was dressed just like this, like you like it? Right? Huh? What? Like? I didn't even rememb remember who she's talking about. She's got to bring it back up. And I go, well, okay, I remember vaguely. Oh did I sell her tape? Oh? I got one. I got one better than that.
The that was part of her of the ball team, you know, we had our box seats were right behind home plate, so you're kind of center. And this is an old This is an old stadium that was built back I think in the thirties or forties, if I'm not mistaken. Beautiful old architecture style stadium. And it was just a big ramp. He went about oh hell, not more than twenty feet in any direction. You had a ramp that went down to the main concourse where all the souvenirs and you
know, vending and all that was going on. Right. So I was dating a girl at time work for a newspaper. She was a reporter, and she was gone a lot, so she couldn't make many of the games. She came one night, She's sitting there in the box and all these girls that I did, that I had gone to school with, or they were friends of my brothers, or somehow we knew. I mean, it wasn't you know the town we were in wasn't that big. You've lived there,
you know, so you know a lot of people. Well, she said, there one night she noticed all these women were coming up and talking to me, and then you know about the eighth innut. She goes, you know, you've been real popular tonight she's kind of getting a little jealous and all that. I said, what are you talking about? She says, All those women are stopping to say hi. I said, did you
notice one thing about them? Your reporters. They'll pick this out. She goes, what I said, they all got a beer while they were here. I said, it's their boyfriends up in the stands sending them down here because they know I get my beer quicker than anybody else. All I got to do is tell one of nam mushers, go get me three beers. They go get me three beers. She was like getting all ticked off for no reason. Right, it's just because I knew, I said, every
one of those girls stop by here and say hello to me. I said, I either went to school with or I know their boyfriend or you know. So she just couldn't understand. She wasn't from that area, so she didn't know as many people as anybody had gone to school there for you know, several years. It was funny, she gave me, l Plus, they're not gonna be this is the most innocent thing in the world and just coming up here to get their beer quicker instead of having to stand in line.
Well, and that's more than just the speed of the beer, because they're also not going to bring you the water down cups that end up circulating, because after a while when they put ice in that beer, right, you know, ours were never ice now, no no, no, no, no, no, no no. Oh. Well, the last time I went to a minor league game, I believe me, it was like, try and figure out where they're not selling you the ice down beers because if they do, it's going to turn the watery beer by the time it
gets around around a bit, right, those guys carry them around. So, pia, what was the last major league team to get beer in their stadium? The last major league team hmm, yeah, to get beer in their stadium and it was brought into the stadium by a football team, not the baseball team. Gonna guess Colorado, Nope, okay, Toronto Blue Jays. Toronto Blue Jays. Oh, they were owned. They were partially owned
by La Bat's Brewery. That was the funny thing. They didn't want to put beer in the ballpark because it would look like Labat's was just trying to sell beer. So what they waited for was Canadian Football League, the Toronto
Argonauts. When they started their season, they got the license to put beer in the stadium, and then after that it was there for all you know, anybody that used the venue, it was right, So the facility is already there and even if they wanted to hold a concert there while they got beer, right, Yeah, the Bats at that time, it was like the number one beer you know in that section of Canada at that time. That's odd. I didn't know the Bat's was sold in Canada even really but
okay, oh yeah, that's an old, old Canadian brewery. See. I always think of Molson when I think of Canada, you know, yeah, Moulson, Moosehead one. Yeah, where was Carling? We're did Carling story? I don't have to look that up anyway. What news have you caught up with this week? You know, we've got the big event of yesterday when the world as we know it ended? Oh God help us. Yeah, well there's that, right, and but better than that, I
saw something here was kind of funny. Where is it this story? Let me see? Oh, COVID shots during pregnancy can cause brain damage in offspring, according to a study. Well what a shock. Also, I heard that you have an increased a chance of death fifteen years after your shots. Now, so if you make it through the fifteen I guess. I guess you break the bubble and you're it's gonna be okay. Let me ask you a question about that, though, because I would love to say yeah,
yeah, yeah on that. But here's the problem. It has hasn't been fifteen years since the shot. So where is there empirical proof that you have a You see what I'm saying you got to get from fifteen years away from that shot in order to say that there is a trend that happened fifteen years away from that shot. Or am I crazy? Or are they just doing the math and going, well, they're making a projection. Let's see what
is it? Are they making a projection going like, look if we multiplied by ten a year and a half, Well, let's see, here's the story. Top expert war in facts will keep dying, will keep dying up to fifteen years after COVID shots. One of the world's leading cardiologists has issued a bone chilling warning to the public that the COVID vaccination will remain at risk of dying from the fifteen years after they received their last COVID mRNA shot.
The acclaimed American doctor raised the alarm over long term death the vaxed or in a news interview with Real America's Voice. Guy's name is McCullough. Let me go to this the parent story. Oh, David mccollins slay news. Have you ever heard them? Yeah, but David McCullough put that out. Let's see, let me get to the main story. Oh hey, somebody pointed out that. Yeah, we got struck by lightning the one day, but I think that was on a Wednesday when I got struck by lightning because I
was producing the Donald Jeffrey Show when it happened. If I remember correctly, this is uh, doctor Peter McCullough and v Peter. Yes, there we go, Peter or David right, all right, so Peter, I get his sub stack all the time. Yeah, so I was just curious if I had that. He's from He's got degrees from Baylor, University of Texas, Southwestern, University of Michigan, Southern Methodist. Anyway, that's just his page. I'll put a link to the story in the room, no problem,
Yeah, definitely. Because somehow he's done this, I'll put it in there. It doesn't I'm not sure how he it is calculations. See, generally, i'm supportive of McCullough's stuff, and that's why I subscribe to it and read it. And you know, I don't read everything, but he does put out podcasts. He's been sounding this alarm since you know, the shots were the new thing, I mean since warp speed. Mccull has been
out there right, Okay, he's basing this he's. Mccullull was referencing a bomb sale report published published by the US Food and Drug Administration's Center for Biological Evolution and Research. The document acknowledges that gene therapy products they very well call side effects long after they've been administered. According to new scientific evidence, people could experience major health implications or death between five and fifteen years after receiving an
mRNA injection. Between five and fifteen years. Well, I mean, he says on page four. Now, this is a quote from the FDA to Agency advice sponsors to observe subjects for delayed adverse events for as long as fifteen years following exposure to the investigational GT products, specifying that the LTFU observation should include a minimum of five years of annual examinations followed by ten years of annual
careeries of study subjects, either in person or by questionnaire. So I guess what he's I don't know he's taking the fifteen years that they're saying to study
these patients, as you could have problems in that length of time. I don't know how he You know, the FDA arrives at the ten years after the five years see generally, I would say, all right, And I'm generally supportive of Peter McCullough, and he's usually right about a lot of stuff he says, and he has conversations with other doctors, different scientists, I
mean, and he puts out a lot of good information. But I got a problem with this when these guys make these extrapolations and they don't have have all kinds of factors that are unknown that could occur. I mean, a decade is, you know, in a certain sense, not a very long period on a timeline, but it's extremely long. Huh. Yeah, ten years is not long at all, really well, but ten years in a
lifespan of a person is significant. And why do I say that, because think about this, at any point in time, pick a point on a timeline, bp't okay, and then go ten years before or ten years after, and tell me that you know your life or your behaviors or anything else are not significantly different in some way because of various factors. Right, And you've got to accept that there's a whole lot that could go into interaction here.
All right, I imagine that somebody theoretically BP just bear with me a moment, if you and I are, you know, eating like we did when we went to Dallas, right, and that's the way we eat all the time. Our health will be different ten years from now if that is the consistent pattern that we take. Now, if we change our diets and we change our lifestyles, and you know, both of us lose some weight and this and that, ten years from now, if we consistently maintain that,
we're going to be in different shape. I'm thinking that our bodies are immune systems. Everything will react differently depending on what you do over those ten years. So how do you make this overall statement when you don't have a ten year time period where you can simply pull data off the timeline? Right?
I mean you must have to multiply something else. Like I said, if you went one and a half years and said, well let's multiply that right by ten, well, all right, then that turns into fifteen years. Right. But multiplying or extrapolating simply by numerical assignment doesn't make sense when you're tracking the interaction with a living organism. In my mind, what if the environment changes. Is there a difference between somebody who lives in a hot
environment or a cold environment, right. I mean, if you're living in you know, a place where there's only like two months worth of spring and there is no summer because it's cold there all the time. I'm thinking that your body will react differently when it comes to your immune system. You're obviously not interacting with a whole bunch of stuff like pollen and things like this,
because you don't have the same sort of cycle of plants inaction. Though, if they if they're facing some of the projection on past results from RM in a ah, the But that's weird too, because didn't they say I have a reason. Well, but didn't they say this is a new technology that has not been utilized before. I mean, it seems to me as though that was it. Maybe across the board it was no, because the guy that you know perfected the way to do it and started the whole process.
He came out with these when they started with these vaccines, and he goes, hey, he says, this isn't what is these things? They have not gone through any testing. They've not been out long enough to know what they're going to do. So but that's the point. But they have been used in certain processes like I give you an example, in the agriculture industry when it comes to plant or animal husbandry and things of that nature. There's a lot of this that goes on. That's probably the biggest use of it
right now. It's in the EG industry. Okay, but they but what I understood is the new element here that nanotech, right, the thing that is a most dangerous consequence in a lot of people's minds where they think it's going to be chipped and this, and that the nanotech element was not around. That was new part of the process was around, but it had not been tested on a significant population. You see what I'm saying, Like,
where are you getting this from? If it has not been loosed or you even tested on a significant enough control group, and also a group that would
have no exposure. You have to have a completely separate control group in order to have a scientific experiment where you can make a comparison here, right, Like in other words, Okay, you got a population, let's just say a thousand people that were given the shot, then you've got to have another thousand that were given none of it and not exposed to it, right, because they would be the control group. What happens if we don't give them
anything or placebo or whatever. And they never did this, so and again you still don't have that timeline. And like I said, there are so many other factors that go into the health of an organism that would contribute to its lifespan. Yeah, but did you think about it though? Mr Anda technology has been around since the seventies. Okay, they've you know, it's well, actually the early sixties, but you know, I guess it's been
its youth has become commonplace in the seventies. So we're looking at what fifty years of use in certain areas. I'm sure that there are studies that have been done. I know these studies have been done on the agricultural end of things to see whether you know, we can even bring this product to market or this species of hog use in Smithfield hoghouses. You know. So now I understand and they and they to be able to come up with the fifteen
years. I'm thinking that there's enough out there known that they would think the five years of extensive monitoring and then another ten years of yearly monitoring. I guess they're saying that in ten years, all chances of any adverse effects should have been grown out of the person, or if it didn't have any in
fifteen years, then it's not going to happen. Well, I guess based on statistics and odds, you know, being that we are supposed to be in a time period quite honestly, be where I've seen scientific projections that said that, you know, half of our ozone should be gone, being that we live in a time period where there's supposed to have been various plagues that should have hit us by now, okay, epidemics based on other people's projections,
being that the population should have done other things like exploded, well beyond the alleged numbers that they say they've counted. And by the way, we have a population decline as far as replacement goes in certain places where that was not predicted previously. I got to tell you, I don't have a lot of faith in these scientists and their projections because any of the alarmist stuff that
was ever given to us. I mean, do you remember in the nineteen eighties that there was that giant hole in the ozone and they said it was caused by stuff that was you know, it was what was the phrase tetrafluorocarbons right, Yeah, floral carbons were depleting the ozone okay, and those things, right, and those things came from spray cans, and they came from air conditioner units, right, and yeah, exhaust and just byproduct of using
the chemicals. Yeah. Right, So we didn't reduce that stuff too much. And if you go mathematically with the projections, there was this big hole and opening in the ozone layer, which, by the way, they had said that it was caused by all these chemicals. And when I was in high school, I did a study on it and found that they had seen a similar phenomena previously, before those chemicals were even in widespread use on the planet. Okay. And it was again over one of the Arctic masses,
all right, just like it had been in the eighties. I remember the specific huge hole in the ozone that was either and I don't remember if it was North or South Pole at this point, but it was over one of the Arctic masses, either the northern or southern Okay. Yeah, because I remember when they were having the hearings on banning certain chloral floral carbons on CFCs that yeah, I remember when all that was going on, you know, and they're talking to said, well, that's why it's going to melt the
polarized cap. And supposedly we banned the products and the hole has filled back up and now it's now we're trapping too much warmth. I mean, that's what that big hole above the North Pole was, is to let the heat out. Well, who knows. I mean, look, we didn't melt. There has been a lot of melting of various structures. Right. There are glaciers that have disappeared. There's you know, Greenland used to be a lot more icy, it isn't now. You know, there's parts of Russia
that now they can drill into because previously they were solid ice. Exon Mobile was tracking that at the time, and believe me, they exploited it. They have definitely continued and that's causing another catastrophe because this is all the these glaciers received and all this stuff is now exposed. You have the massive amount of methane being pumped into the atmosphere, right, which is a greenhouse gas,
which is going to cause things to be even worse. You know, we're gonna die in another ten years, So, I mean, it's always something. Here's but here's the problem by twenty twenty. If you remember in nineteen eighty, they were like, by twenty twenty, we're screwed, and yeah, just go look at Al Gore's film. What the hell was the name of it? Oh? Oh my goodness, the thing that came out around two thousand, right, it was like not not long after maybe it's
two thousand and two. Oh man, I can't remember it, but yeah, yeah, it's big environmental afterate that the British government finally said, okay, you got it. If you're going to show this in classrooms, you got to play a disclaimer, right right. Well, but the thing is I proved in high school by the way, that there was observations after immediately following World War Two, okay, where they saw the same phenomena, a larger hole in fact than the one that they said existed based on all these
products. And then I tracked when those products were introduced into the consumer market and when they were used for commercial purposes, et cetera. And guess what when there was way less cars on the road in nineteen fifty, all right, and when there was way less spray cans and way less air conditioning on the planet, and all that all that stuff that they said was doing this. We had a bigger hole, a bigger one that nobody knew what the hell it was for. It was like, why is this a rip open?
And are you know? And I'm like, see, this is a phenomena that is not fully understood. And that was like my global science thesis because they had this new science program in my school, which was weird. It was like an urban experiment global science, and in that class they taught
us about play tectonics and a bunch of things like that stuff. I think about this though, if you, let's say you wrote a paper and sent it to the National Academy of Sciences on your experiment that basically came out and said, this stuff is basically too complicated that anybody could even figure out a
model that you could use. And let's say you did that, you realize you'd be another skeptic of the hockey stick model and all these other things, and you would have been canceled for simply coming up with the truth of you can't predict climate. Well, there's too many variables for you to be able to say what this Earth is going to do because you have no way to
know what it's done well. Ultimately, my science teacher said that it was a college level thing that I had done with research and all that, because I remember no internet in nineteen ninety or ninety one, if you were, and how old were you at the time. Uh well what nineteen ninety I was eighteen? So yeah, okay, So you send that paper out, people start publishing it. You realize the amount of people that would come down on you with well see back then, no, but you know, go
ten years in advance, and an Inconvenient truth. That's that's the name of it. You put it in the chat room. Good, an inconvenient truth. That was the name of al Gore's thing. But he put that out in what two thousand and two? Is that right? Uh? Things, Yeah, that sounds about right. Well, let me look that up up. Yeah, let me look that up and make sure about it. I don't want to say the wrong thing, but I'm thinking it was two thousand and two. Either way, it was like right after he lost the uh
presidential uh you know game? Yeah, what was it like? Uh, let's see two thousand and six. Oh wow, okay, so it was even further after that. Yeah, IMDb says two thousand and six, YEP filmmaker Davis Guggenheim, right, directed by Davis Gugenheim. Is that his name, Gougenheim, Yes, it is Googenheim. And Al Gore? Oh wow, is this the Did he use the honey nut? Yes he did. He used the honey nut. Cheerio's b voice actor on there too, Billy West, the same guy who does ren his stupid Oh no, you know,
Al kind of feels sympathetic for Al. You know, he he hadn't play second fiddle to Clinton. He had to, you know, kind of shrug his shoulders and answer when everybody looked to him as to how could Bill do these things, you know, with Monica and all that, And he, you know, tried to distance himself and his wife. What does wife one of the big ones that wanted to censor uh music albums and CDs?
Oh yeah, Tipper gorens Yes, Tipper Gore the parents being married to that, having to listen to her pitch all the parents music then the parents Music Resource Center, and she even convinced her husband to have hearings. I love that, by the way, Those hearings are great, and those were decent to d Sneyder, his big show up. D Schneider and Frank Zappa go and and for some reason, I even remember Zappa. I should because I really loved Zappa, but I always remember D Snyder sitting, you know,
just looking at him like I can't believe on the year. Yeah. D Schneider was great, but Frank Zappa was the best because Frank Zappa showed up, like, you know, in a suit and like with his hair done like nineteen fifty style, like completely you know, but he was clearly it was Frank Zappa, you know, sitting there going, are you guys really imagine? So I kind of feel sympathy for Al. I mean, he
had to put up with Tip for all those years. Yeah, and then he's gonna, you know, he's gonna tell us about global warming and all the problems, and he sits down to make this movie and for it to be found so full of crap that a government agency says, if you're going to show this to our kids, it's not enough for you to tell them that he could be this is his opinion on something, but you have to read this disclaimer and provide it to that before we'll let you show it.
That's pretty bad. Michael Moore. It doesn't even have a movie that they have to put a damn disclaim out for. Well, you know it's look.
You know what's even worse than any of that, though, is you got to rewind even before the Clinton administration, because al Gore was considered like literally, I remember getting publications like this because I was I was a junior, high school and high school journalist, right, So we had publications that came into the high school newspaper because it was supposed to inform us about stuff that, you know, if we were going to write about politics or something
that was going on in the country. Believe it or not, we had a pretty serious journalism teacher. Okay. It was like, you know, you need to live And this is really strange too, because the New York
Times at the time was not the liberal paper at all, okay. It was definitely like the most conservative news outlet in the Tri state area that you could look at, the New York Times, okay, And that was like his standard, like if you want to be able to write, if you want to be a journalist, then your stuff better look like it belongs on a newsstand with this, okay. And he wanted us informed if we were going to write about, you know, the presidential election that was coming up
in ninety two or whatever. If we wanted to write about that, we had to be informed. So they wanted us informed about who the upcoming candidates were and stuff like that, right, because you know Reagan leaving office in uh let's see now if he ran in eighty right, so eighty eight, so Bush would take office in yeah, in eighty nine. Right, So here's the deal at Clinton thing's office in ninety three, I think right anyway,
wait, which Bush are you talking about? Hw? Hw? Yeah, Okay, you threw me there for a minute, because I thought, no, the Bush junior was two thousand, right, I took office. But what I'm saying is they were looking at who the up and comers were in the party right now. Al Gore was was sort of like the up and coming, young fresh Democrat, Okay, who was going to come up with middle of the road ideas common sense. Okay. He wasn't all about
being part of the liberal agenda at the time, all right. He was somewhat liberal, but he was also seemingly a new blend. Remember the new Democrats before Clinton came in. Okay, Clinton came in and through personality swept aside that he was competing with people like Gore and a bunch of people to
get that nomination. When he got in there, Gore was almost like the the heir apparent, the inheritor, if you will, of the Democratic Party, Like this was the stuff the Democratic Party was putting out, this is the stuff that the political press was focusing on. Al Gore is up and coming, and in fact he even shakes aside and puts aside all of the misconceptions and problems that most of America has with Southern with Southern politicians and all
this stuff. Al Gore fresh face, and he's young, and his wife is young, and they're young people who are looking to change America for the better. They want to improve things. And it's not all liberal. Some of it is very conservative. They need us to go back to, you know, the almost make America great again thing, but with a little more common sense and much more compassion was the idea. I mean, he was taken. I mean, he's of the old school. You gotta think who
his dad was. His dad was a senator for years too, so right, you know, and he was used to Tennesse politics, and back then, you know, you still had the remnants of the conservative Democrats who helped put Nixon in power. That's what you know, a lot of people think, oh, yeah, that's when the party switched, right, the Democrats became the Republicans, And that's all crap. What it was Nixon was able to capitalize on those conservative Democrats in the South who believed in, you know,
a strong military and law and order. But you would say, some, yeah, law and order and some of the moralistic things going on there. You got to realize, you know a lot of these people are also connected through the Bible Belt. Anyway, I know exactly what to say. And yeah, Gore was predicted to be one of the up and comers, right. He was that new group that was going to bring a whole new faith to the Democrat Party. His problem was he had to lay second banana
to Slick Willing, but Clinton emerged. Now, that's the thing is, Gore was really thought of as like, we're going to go through all this and we're going to introduce you to a bunch of people. And that was the first time I ever saw a whole bunch of life. Generally, normally we'd get to an election cycle and people go, here's your Democrat, here's your Republican. Right, most of that stuff was not covered by the news very much. You didn't read about it in your local paper very much unless
your politician was local to you. Right, this kind of thing. You know, when Carter was gonna run, certainly they wrote about it in Georgia. But we didn't read about Carter's run in New Jersey, not until he was fully in the running. So anyway, Gore was being written about in advance. There were magazine articles. There was you know, like I said, the Democrats had publications that they put out talking about the new face of the Democratic Party, the whole thing. And this guy is not all liberal.
He's somewhat conservative, but he's conservative with compassion, right and all of that. And what happens is they put together this group and I don't remember the total group, but I do remember that Clinton was thought of like as a joke in that group. Here comes his hick from Arkansas that nobody's ever heard of, and nobody cares about who cares, Yes, that was the
difference. Though Gore was old Democrat, well, he had nepotism. He had nepotism because of his father and because yeah yeah, and Clinton was this newcomer who's bucking the system in Arkansas. Who the hell is he? Literally he supposed to be the outside in the trailer parks. You know, his mom was, you know, dating alcoholics. You know, this guy's got
no class. Gore was the Gore was the signing star when Clinton came along, and it's kind of like, you know, pull to Hillary, uh, like Obama did to to Hillary. Right, it was the same thing. Gore was ready to step in and then all this gues slick Willie comes up from Arkansas. Now he's the you know, the great white hope, and boom, he swept everybody away. And then it was almost like a concession. I mean, it reminds me of Lyndon Johnson thinking, you know
what, I'm going to be the next guy to run for president. And Kennedy comes in, right, and what do they do? They go, well, how about we make you vice president? So Gore takes it thinking, you know what if we do good things and we show a partnership. And this is what it looked like publicly. Now I'm not saying this is the way it really worked, but this was the impression of the politic of the time is that would wait around. It's a shame too, because Gore
really sucked at campaign. I think if he had campaigned better, he could have given Bush a better run for his money. But if he was smart enough to ask for a recount in other counties than he did, he might have won the thing. Well there's that, But you know, you know what the real tragedy of it is is that the guy and I remember, this is where I first developed the phrase that I have carried with me the rest of my life. Nobody likes it when I say it, and I
don't care. I still use it. The guy has a personality of a dead fish. He is wooden. He's like, I'm Al Gore and I'm here to talk to you. I mean, dude, how stilted and fake? And do you have to be? I mean, he is so insincere that quite honestly, if you compare, the media didn't help him either, No they didn't. But you know when they came up with the old line, yeah, he helped invent the internet. You know, like that,
he just got blown so blown out of the proportion. I'll tell you that the year he ran probably produced the best political ad I have ever seen, and it was a Snickers commercial when the guy goes into the voting booth and he's got the elephant on one shoulder and the donkey on the other shoulder, and you know, if they're making cracks about you know, Bush, I look like my father, blah blah blahlah. You know, I wear the same pants as my father, and the donkey goes. I invented fans.
It was the best commercial ever. I've got to get credit for that well. And that was hysterical because again here's another little factor of you know, grandpa's time period. Okay, Grandpa's time capsule here on the ocel. Let's get to it. The Information super Highway. This was the thing being discussed, right, and al Gore was part of encouraging that, like we're gonna
have connectivity all over it. And again pre Internet age, because remember the majority of people did not get a lot of access to what we today think of as the Internet until what the mid nineties, So not until slick Willy is in office for some years and we get you know, the miraculous Drudge Report and things, which, by the way, still practically up to last year I think pretty much looks like the same website he built in ninety six,
but or ninety five or ninety four or whatever, whenever he built it, it is. He's got the same he's got the same design on the page. He just he caters more to a left linking story. Hour let's put it. Wait, don't is a really mad at Drudge now? You know, he came out pretty much on the conservative side of stuff when Clinton was going through all his craft. Because he's in it. Drudge the one
that broke the uh, he broke the Lewinsky story pretty much. But wait a second, you're telling me that people actually think Drudge is on the left. Now, Oh, he's sticked off a lot of right wing pundits. You know. Look, just like in various other instances, if you don't absolutely support the guy that we say you should, then you're obviously against us and you're supporting you know, like whenever I say something negative. But there's
a lot well, there's a lot of people calling him out. He Drudge has made you know, he makes very few comments that end up in the press, but what he does, and it was a couple of years back he made it. I think some comments about Republicans in the way that they were not able to follow through on craft in the Congress and the Senate more than anything. I mean, I don't think he's really did a big proponent when it comes to the president. I don't think he's supporting the left though.
What he did probably is you know, actually criticis is he Yeah? But see, this is the problem. It's just like the stupidity that I get as soon as I say something negative about Trump, right, what do I get? I get people going, well, Bill, you know Biden, Biden, what you support Biden? And I'm like, no, he's an idiot too. I'm just pointing something out about Trump because he's making the most noise. You know. It's not that I support the other guy.
But that's probably what happened to him, is he probably criticized the Republicans. And that's the funny thing, you know, Rush Limbaugh. Even back in this very same time period, Rush Limbaugh, I was a daily listener to Rush Limbaugh. I listened to him every single day. He used to do the Homeless Update with Oh God that the song on there from the guy who used to do I'll put a spin on you because you man that the wild guy with the bone through his nose. Remember you know what I'm talking about,
the street screaming Bill Hawkins, screaming Jay, screaming Jay Hawkins. Right. Well, he did another song called and it just I remember the chorus, I ain't got a home and no where to go, but I ain't got a home, right all right? Limball used to play that at the beginning of his Homeless update, and then he would play buzz saws and chainsaws and stuff and tell you, now, we're going to go to the spotted owl update over there in the Midwest, and we're going to talk about how
they're protecting the spotted owl instead of the logging industry. And that's what Limball was doing on a daily basis. Oh my favorite one was this song. It was Elvis singing in the Ghetto to it was in the Ugo. Oh well, he did all kinds of stuff like this. But my point is that back then, okay, forget about the you know, the showmanship that was going on, and when he was giving away his radio show and building that empire where I mean I do I do remember when he broke two hundred
radio stations. He was so happy and he was practically giving the show away BP. Right, he was showing up in a market and telling people, look, you take this show, you play it live, simulcast me, and we'll split the revenue, and I guarantee you're gonna do just fine. And he was a big proponent of Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. And he hadn't even done the Rush Limbaugh ties or gotten his TV show yet or none of that yet. Okay, back then, guess what he was criticizing. Not Bill
Clinton, not until Bill Clinton got in office. Okay, because this is before Bill Clinton is in office. He was all over hw Bush. You know why, because he wasn't conservative enough. He was doing the right thing for conservative Americans who care about America. George hw Bush to Rush Limbaugh, if you listen to those shows back then, was practically a left because he wasn't coming and doing the right thing for real Americans, real conservatives, et
cetera, et cetera. Okay, the day that Clinton was declared the winner, all right, that day, when Limbaugh goes live the following day, right, that's when he starts on the Democrats, really, and he was relentless from that point on, all of a sudden, all the criticisms of the bushes out the window. All of a sudden, the criticisms of you know, Ronald Reagan did good, but he didn't go far enough. All of the criticisms of you know, Nixon, they unfairly went after him.
All of that was gone, and he does something else. I'll never remember hearing Russia. I'm might have to go search an archives, the archives him ever being critical of Iran contra. Know, just he used to promote every now and then he would promote. You know, you had g. Gordon Lyddy had his program back then, and then yes, you had, oh what's this Oliver North come out and start with his program not long after that. Well, see, I don't remember North having a program, but yeah,
he used to speak highly of North. Well, yeah, and you know exactly what was his position North, if I remember correctly with Limbaugh, North was a patriot who probably you know, took the flak for people to protect them, and he was protecting people. That was Oliver North as far as Rush Limbaugh was concerned. When it came down to it, though, G. Gordon Lyddy had a radio show that he did out of Washington, d C. And I know that because I went to the d C station
and met him, and he was an interesting guy. Make make no mistake, he was a real interesting guy. G Gordon Liddy In case people don't know, I mean he was a Watergate burglar, et cetera. And oh, by the way, I see that we have Jimmy James on line. I want to take a quick break and we're gonna bring Jimmy James on and anybody else who calls in after but Jimmy's first. Okay, three one nine, five two seven, five zero one six three one nine five two seven
five zero one six. We got like an hour and twelve or thirteen left of this show unless I get some more caller participation or a donation at ochelly dot com. Uh, I'm gonna cut the show off like maybe ten after ten because Aaron Franz will not be live tonight. He has a soccer game or a soccer tournament for his kids or whatever, so he's taking a break this week and that means no Uncle, no Aaron, and we could potentially
go four hours or whatever. If you guys encourage it. Show me that you care, show me that you want to participate, show me that you want to also, you know, make it so I can afford a pound of hamburger, like I was talking about recently on I went on that Saturday night Anarchy show by the way b Pete, just real quick, and then
there was internet troubles, so I dropped out. But I went on there, and you know, didn't expect to talk about it, but I was talking about the price of groceries and how it is nobody can afford to eat and the price of hamburger meat was a big discussion on that show, real quick, and I had a good time for like I don't know, half hour or whatever, maybe forty five minutes over there, but it was a it was a good time. And they do that with the new prisoners over
there live on Rumble. They do it via video. Our our friend Vance broadcasts over there and usually forgets that we're doing the Friday night show now. But yeah, this is the thing. There's a lot going on, and I'd love to hear from you guys out there tonight. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six. That is the number to call or reach out to me, Charles dot Ocelly on Skype, And if you ask me to I will call you into the show. Also, there's been some interesting
stuff in Jfkland this week. Uh, there are developments on the Lancer Conference, which I am going to be attending and being the EMC again this year in Dallas, Texas literally being held on the twenty second. It'll start on the twenty second of November in twenty twenty four this year. But we'll find out a bunch of things in the coming weeks. I'm trying to add some new people and if you have suggestions for the Lancer Conference or you want to
make sure that we hook up somehow. By the way, I'm going to have access to travel discounts, discounts on the hotel rooms, all that stuff. So do let me know if you want to go to Dallas and hang with us, because there might be a group of us there. Aaron has even threatened to maybe go. So that would be great if we got like Aaron and Uncle at the Lancer Conference. Imagine that one be Pete, what
do you think of that, Well, i'd be great. Have you heard Mike playing on a ten and again, yes, Mike is going now and he's going to be a presenter, and just there's rumor that I might be absolutely in charge of the breakout room where they're going to play stuff as happens,
and we're going to go down for the moment of silence. And I've even got somebody maybe working on a collective transportation thing for that day, because again it's gonna start literally, this is gonna be weird where the twenty second falls on a Friday, just like it did in nineteen sixty three. So it's going to be an interesting November in Dallas, and I'm going to be there and hopefully I'll see some of you on that trip. It'll be great.
But anyway, in the meantime, we got a lot of time until we get to November and the selection, which I'm going to be exhausted from. I'm sure we could talk about the Trump trial, the Trump hush money trial, which wasn't about hush money. But anyway, that's what CNN wanted to tell you for the three four weeks that they had, you know, wall to wall coverage or gabble to gabble or whatever the hell it is they want to call it, call us and tell us what's important to you.
Do you want to talk about that, you want to talk about other stuff you want to talk about. What it is I'm telling you is gonna happen with that. I did a broadcast with mike'smasin last night. Have not released the podcast yet, but it'll be out by tonight sometime probably on the overnight. Uh me and Mike discussing what Trump is doing in Virginia, his local area, and uh, what's happening in New York. I even played some clips, et cetera, and who knows, maybe we'll do that on the
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Skype message, Nope, they don't want to join. They were just giving a heads up on something something that I'm not getting paid for and I'm being delayed, being paid for something anyway, whatever is what it is. Uh, let's get back to business. What's on your mind? Three one nine five two seven five zero one six you can join us and b Pete. Are we ready to open the lineup for Jimmy James. I got a feeling I know what he's wants to talk about. But anything you want to throw
there before we bring him on. He's been waiting a little while. No, let's go ahead and bring him all. We haven't heard from Jimmy since last week. I'm curious as to what his topic will be. True true, Let's see Jimmy, what's on your mind this evening? There? I don't know what do you think I should talk about? I think, Jimmy that whatever I think, Jimmy, if you're asking me, I say,
you should talk about whatever you believe is important. I think you should talk about whatever it is is at the front of your mind that you want to share with other people. Whatever it is, That's what I think, Jimmy. And so well, there's no point of discussing the Trump trial because that's all for pretend and he's never going to go to jail. You said, correct, So I shouldn't have to worry about it. That's absolutely certain. I mean, look, I promise you that all of this nonsense where they're
going, they can make them serve up to four years in prison. Can you imagine them giving him thirty four counts and four years in prison for each count, and then he has to serve them consecutively. Can you believe that they would put Trump in prison for no matter what? One hundred and you do really well if you consider that they just pulled off. And I have to admit, this is probably the most convoluted case I have ever heard of over sixty years. It's nonsense. Yeah, it's not love b Pete.
I've decided to embrace the Cassiary of New York City. I think these judges are legal scholars. Really, you know, I'm brilliant. I'm going to take their lead. Go ahead, But well, I'm just curious when they go to file the appeal, how many different points? You know, when you file an appeal you have to be pretty precise on either the procedure or
the rule or the law that was broken. So on this one, you could stand back with a handful of darts and throw them at the indictment and the transcript of the trial and probably come up to say you had twenty darts in your hand and just throw paste it page by page on the wall, indictment and the transcript, and I guarantee you you have out of twenty darts, you'd find twenty things that you could appeal this on. This is really
the most screwed up case I have ever seen on my life. It all begs on a premise of this act was illegal, but the statue limitations ran out. But wait a minute, if we connect it to a different crime, then we can pull back the statute of limitations and go for a felony, even though the predicate crime that, by the way, we're not going to mention and even discuss until closing arguments, and then not even be specific
on what the crime is. We're going to rely on testimony where the prosecutor alleges that somebody has already committed a crime even though there's no evidence or conviction anywhere in the world of that fact, and we're going to find him guilty. But you don't have to be unanimous in your decision, and all of you jurors can come up with a different crime that he committed as the predicate crime for these little misdemeanors. So here you go, have at it.
Yeah, well, hang on, BPTE, because here's the thing. If you and I go and sit in a highly populated area and watch courtroom procedures, I assure you that we will find that people are being charged under criminal codes that don't exist, under convoluted connections, under all sorts of things where they stay in that. And yes we could. We could find anomalies in any courthouse that we want to sit. But all we got to do is pick a day. This one case has got to be the most convoluted case
I have ever seen in existence. But I've seen people get charged under codes that prosecutors ring out, judge stipulate two, the defense attorney stipulates two, and everything else. And then you know what you do? You go and you look and you find that it's under an expired criminal code or a one that doesn't exist. That's not what this criminal code says. This guy read out a criminal code for pie paper. I've seen this done one week.
I mean, that's very rare. Code constantly gets sad. It's the never detracted, that's why it's code. It's coded no. But they get changed by something else comes in and makes an addendum to an existing one, and they don't give the updated version of it. That happens all the time. Okay, Like you know, people love to point out those laws that are on the books here. They're like, you know, you're not allowed to beat your wife unless your strap is less than you know, an inch wide,
and all this kind of stuff. They don't point out that there were addendums to those laws, those codes, those criminal whatever, and they don't point out that at some point that got nullified and why did it get nullified because of this particular thing that came in, right, And they do that all the time, which it sweeps through and makes a lot of things that, yes, they're still on the books, but they've been rendered useless and
people get charged under the things, and if they don't have a good enough paralegal, guess what happens. They don't discover it, and they literally go and do time or pay fines based on crap all the time. Okay, now let's just put that aside. Just okay, Chuck's just a lunatic. Fine, here's the fun part, do you I mean you really I'll do the dirty dollar bets because that was suggested in the chat room earlier in the week. Let's do some dirty dollar bets. And somebody thought I had a
bet with Jimmy James. I didn't that. We don't have a bet currently. But I'll take dollar action on this, no problem, Okay, you know, as I guarantee, I'm gonna make money on this. So wherever you want to go, I will take action on outcomes and different things. We gotta structure it. Be very specific about what it is you think is going to happen here. Be pete, but I promise you this, there
will be no jail time for Trump. You want to bet a dollar on it or do you want to tell me that there's going to be jail time? And I mean, it's got to survive appeals, it's got to survive alterations to the judgment and all that stuff which you're gonna happen here because you know there's going to be appeals. And you want to talk about throwing darts. You ever see those dark games at a you know, carnival. He
could be sentenced to jail time before the appeals ever kick in. I mean he could be in jail come election day, right, but he won't. But that's the thing is, if he's on appeal, they're not going to put him in jail. On appeal, he's going to h alleged. That's when he will be sentenced to jail. That's when it's scheduled. That's when it's scheduled. How about this, How about this, He won't be sentenced
on July eleventh, even though it's scheduled for it. I'll make a dollar bet with either one on that he will not be sentenced July eleventh for this case. You want to start there, he will be. He'll be sent to jail. I'm willing to make that bad Okay, no problem, one
dollar, Jimmy James. He actually has to go and be sent to jail to serve time, right, not not he's in temporary holding for something or being processed, but he actually has to go at least day, at least one day, he has to see four hours he has to sit well, let's say forty eight because they could take twenty four hours to process him in a stupid joint Okay, as dumb as that is, and because they got to content with secret service and all this other nonsense. The thing is,
give me forty eight hours. If he sits in a cell in prison for forty eight hours, I lose. How's that? No, I don't know because after twenty four hours, by then someone will have gone to the Supreme Court and said this is crazy, asked shit, well, I don't know that he will do forty eight hours, but he mind. Well that's that's what I'm willing to bet on, because I think he could sit being processed and nonsense going on for twenty four hours. That's the eleventh. On the
eleventh, let's take a look at what day July eleventh is. But either way, I promise you he will not be sentenced on July eleventh. It is a Thursday, a Thursday. Yes, there's a good chance he you'll do forty eight hours. So you think sentence late on a Thursday, then that means they're going to run him over to Rikers. They're gonna have to make arrangements. They might delay half a day just in transport, trying to get secret service and all that to get him to Rikers. Get him there.
He may not sit in a sale. He'll sit secluded. But you know say that they're like most courts. You gotta wait till Monday to see a judge. Well, chance he could pull a weekend. But okay, I agree with Jimmy. I think I think he's going to be sentenced to jail time now, whether he actually goes or he's allowed to. You know what would be more humiliating than putting an ankle honitor on him, making him stay at Trump Towers? You know it's the possibility, is there that?
Yes? He I think this judge, because of the notoriety he's gotten off of this, has got just a big enough ego that he's going to be the one to sentence him to time. No, We're going to get every piece of dirt on this judge possible. And I'm telling you right now, I've already been out there. You can't. You can't. Oh No, there's more qualifi any more than's already been done. There's more connections to the
money his daughter's making off this case and raising money for the Democrats. You know, he's the judge is conflicted from get go, so you can't get it more conflicted. I think this judge has got a big enough ego he's going to be the one known as given Trump. I have an unfair advantage over you. I know that they are locked and loaded with more dirt on this judge that has not been seen in public yet. So I I happen to know difference the judge. Okay, I'm just telling you, but look,
forget it. Forget it. Thank you. Do you think they can take this judge down by July eleven? I have two bets that I'm willing to make here, okay already, and I want you guys to take the challenge. I mean forty eight hours, not in a holding cell, but actually doing time. Okay. Now, if he's if he's under the control of the North of New York Correctional Facility, that's he's full. He's full of Dome European specific. He's got to be in a cell. Yeah,
he has to go to a lot. He goes into custody. He's in freaking jail. It counts. But no, because that's not the same as custody you or I would be in. I'm talking about he actually goes to a cell to serve time. There is a difference between that and being held. There is a difference. And that's all I'm saying. Forty eight hours. If you're so convinced that they want to give him jail time. Two days, I mean two days nothing. Oh, he's gonna get jail time.
Now it's a matter whether he goes through the door or not off. But yeah, I guarantee you this judge is gonna give him. I guarantee you probably give him jail time. Okay. So I am willing to make two different bets here. One that he will not be sentenced on the eleventh. There will not be sentencing on the eleventh. It will either be delayed, moved, nullified, something will happen before the eleventh to make it so
he's not sentenced. One. Two, he does not do forty eight hours serving time, not being held temporarily or being processed or hanging out in the courtroom holding cell or none of that crap. I mean actually going to a facility where we start ticking off your time that you're serving two days forty eight hours. He won't do it. So there's my two declared bets. Okay. Two about he might send some due he might sentence him to thirty days,
but he's gonna for sure sentence trump his sentence. Peter Navarro, who's eighty year old lawyer, presumed for ninety days for not showing up to Nancy Close his kangaroo court. Okay, well, Peter are si. Peter Navarro doesn't have the same protection Trump does. So you're telling me you're willing to take that that did. Actually he did. Actually he did because he had
executive privileged because he was Trump's lawyer, and that's what he claimed. And yet they wanted him to break his that privilege and he wouldn't do it. That's lovely. You know, the guy that Trump put in as the ambassador in Israel was actually, you know, a serial killer, Robert Durst lawyer. You know that anyway, whatever, I don't care. Forty eight hours you're claiming to me that he'll do it. What what is this deal?
Did you know that lawyers are bad depending on who they represent. No, no, no, Well take a look at the guy's actions and him working for Robert Durst and tell me, tell me that this guy is a great guy. Anyway. It's just one of the connections between Trump and Durst that ought to be out there, but it's not getting out there. So look, tell me something. Forty eight hours. Sorry, man, I'm getting way off line because I didn't even want to. Honestly, Trump, I
just say that those judges I love their wild justice system. I liked it. I'm gonna make my own summary judgment. It's crazy. You should get in on it. I say, go, get you a shingle and see if you can get a justice of the peace. By the way, it is possible to get it in upstate New York and apply for it up there. Do it, Jimmy, go ahead, But in the meantime, forty eight hours you're willing to take that bet against me or what by the end
of the year. By the end of the year, Trump will do forty eight hours off of this case you're telling me, Yeah, I would say, before the end of July, he will be in good joint. Fine, I'll take that bet exactly that way. Forty eight hours he serves, forty eight hours by the end of July. One dollar you accept yep. First, all right, Jimmy, Jimmy and I are down for a dollar
on forty eight hours before the end of July. So be pete you you want to take me up on either one of those bets that either he doesn't get to because I don't like the limitations you put on them. You don't like the limitations, Okay, well, yeah, I'll pocket I'll pocket my money on this one. I'll sit back and I'll hold the buck, Okay with you and Jimmy. But no problem. Yeah, I'm not. No. I think he's gonna get whether he serves or not, I don't know,
but I think he's gonna get sentenced for time. Whether he can be out on bail while his appeal happens, I don't know this judge. I would think. See, he pushed the judge to the point of having to put him in jail for contemned okay, and then he backed off for some reason and let me out of the judge, we'll throw you in the clink for contempt. Yeah, but he didn't, didn't put him in So okay, how about this then, forget about the forty eight hours. You don't
like that limitation. How about I say he does not get sentence on July. Lation is sitting in a cell. He could be under control Department of Corrections for forty eight hours. To me, that counts. You ain't got the ability to go where you want. You ain't free, okay, But to me, being in prison and being in custody are slightly different things. And you know, technically speaking, he was not allowed to leave the court
during the proceedings. You know, well, considering that he's in custody because he was convicted of a crime, Yeah, you're pretty much in jail. All right, Well, then we'll skip that one. I have another question July eleventh. He absolutely gets sentenced on the eleventh. I don't see the reason that would postponent. I really don't. I mean, because I don't think this judge appeals it. He's not. I don't think he's going to back off just waiting for the appeal. He's going to go through. This
judge is going to be retiring before too long. And this is his claim to fame. This is his swan song. He's going to ride it just as high as he can. He's going to be the guy known and said Trump to jail unless he's roved, unless he is removed from the bench sometime before the end of the year. From the bench. You can't remove a judge in what six weeks. Nah, ain't gonna happen. Okay, fair
enough, But but here's the thing. If a huge enough scandal comes out, I mean, you could see a guy resigning, retiring even but anyway, leave that alone. He gets sentenced on the eleventh. I mean, that's an easy no matter what comes out, he's gonna have the media playing dodgeball for him for at least a month maybe, but they could give him a month, so there's no way they get him off the bench. I don't think you're gonna see him going in six I'll make a bet on that.
Whether the judge is still on the bench in six weeks, I don't. I don't have a time frame on exactly when he's gonna get this Detroyd, but he's gonna get destroyed. So the thing is, I don't have a reasonable time frame on it. However, I'm pretty certain that if we get to the end of the year and Trump is re selected, this guy does not have a good future. But anyways, oh no, he doesn't.
I'll go ahead and tell you now, it's time the Republicans or people on the conservative side of things start pulling some of the same crap these Democrats have been pulling. If I were Trump when I got in there, I would clean house at the DJ Okay, all right, here's almost put in these positions. Oh I'm sure that that will do whatever you gotta do and go after every effort that you pulled this ship for the past eight years, You're gonna you're gonna get You're gonna get that. That show. I'm sure
of it. So tell me something is is he sentenced on the eleventh or not? You're not willing to take me up on that. Yeah, I'll give you a dollar. Okay, you will don't see anything? Are you getting this judge out of the way by that delayed like one day because he's got cold or something. I mean, that don't count. Look if if they are bound and determined as you guys think they are, to make an example and to do this, and this guy you think he's gonna let it
slide for a day, even, why would he do that? I say, any delay at all, maybe maybe that judge's PMS will be rageing that day. I don't know whether this problem, Well, I guess in the moment could happen. I got you. But in the modern world, I guess I get Well, you know, the guy could just wear a diaper. I mean, if he really wants to get it done, he could just go in there with a diaper or a MAXI pad, you know, cotton shoved up his butt like he's about to get electrocuted. It's fine.
Uh so you know if you want to take it or not. That is the limitation, very simple, whether it's delayed by a day or a week, or a month or a year. I say he does not get sentenced on the eleventh. I'll take up on that. Okay. So I got VP for the sentence on the eleventh, all right, and I'm writing this down what depends, so I just, you know, make sure I don't
forget. We can always go back to the tape. Absolutely absolutely, So, Jimmy, do you want to take me up on that that he's absolutely sentenced on the eleventh or no, because you're afraid he might get a cold and it'll be delayed by a day or whatever, you don't want to do it. I don't see what's so special about the eleventh. I'll say the eleventh, give or take a couple m now, because I don't know what could get arranged if they delay it. But I just I have this certainty
that they will delay it and do something different. But that's as far as I can go. I mean, it's difficult to know all of the ins and outs of the games that are about to get played here, because you know, some things are variables. Bpee took it up, so okay, I'll think. So I got some inside information, I figured absolutely, okay, So there it is, all right. So this is how far I've gone. Anybody else wants to get in on the dollar bets, no problem.
And those are the two that I've been able to lay out so far. And I've done it based on the stuff that these guys have said that you know, they're absolutely going to send some by this date. This guy's going to do time. And I say, no, let's watch and learn. If I'm wrong. I'm wrong, I'll go with it, and I'll see what happens. I mean, it'll probably be even more interesting and exciting and worth my three dollars I could lose here so far, so it'll be
worth the entertainment value. It'll be definitely worth the entertainment value if it does not go the way that I see it going. But otherwise I'm going to be yawning and sitting there going, gee, I wonder how it is yet again, because Trump has never had a criminal record of any kind for no matter whatever, she's done. He's never been held accountable for any sort of accounting chicanery, which he's been called out for accounting chicanery many times before,
but never prosecuted for it. Whether it was he was claiming bankruptcy and the inability to pay people, or he decided not to pay on contracts had them take him to court and pay pennies on the dollar, it doesn't matter. He's never been taking a task for any of it. It's just business as
usual. A question though, that has come up. You know, we had the we had the civil trial on his business ventures that was pretty much stacked against him, and then we had the other civil trial of was it E. J. Carroll or whatever her name is, sued him for sexual assault. It was funny he was found guilty of a sexual assault in a civil court but doesn't have to register as a sex offender. That's interesting because it's not civil. Had this case which was so blatantly rigged before it even
started that you know, you got to wonder. Now we've heard so much about white privilege, and you know, white elite people usually are the ones that benefit from white privilege, and I don't see where Trump has had any white privilege shown to him in this state of New York when it comes to legal matters. So I'm wondering, is now Orange people going to be a protected race? I don't know. That's that's a good question. Maybe there should be the new Orange is the new white? You know kind of thing.
I don't know. Then, well, look, Eene Carroll, the reason why he doesn't have to register as a sex offender is because, get this, regardless of what the media tells you, he's not convicted of a crime. Why that's a criminal. But I can't believe through a civil proceeding you wouldn't have to no, because it's civil damages. It's not Look look, listen, wait a minute. The rules of New York law have been so convoluted in three cases coming out of New York that you can't say that
they couldn't convolute something else but you and make him register. I mean, that's what's so screwy about this. The three cases in New York that have been thrown at Trump had stood the Jewish prudence system on its head. But you'd have to reinvent the English language. Look OJ, right, remember OJ? You remember OJ? Doesn't everybody remember OJ? You know he died not long ago, rest in whatever the hell, OJ, I'm not sure how
to feel about you. But here's the deal. He was what acquitted on murder and then found lible in the wrongful death of his ex wife and Ron Goldman. Right, so there's no registering. He's not a felon based on that, not until later when they got him caught up in that other thing. He's not a felon. He doesn't have to be known. He's not a murderer technically because he was found in a civil case liable for wrongful deaths.
No, you're comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing you know, going through the court system and what Las Vegas and La I'm just saying New York has convoluted the rules so much that it's not going to surprise me that the next person they go after they might have them have to register or something,
even though they didn't commit a crime. Both of those Trump didn't commit a crime, But he's been feeling he's been what found guilty three times both of the case both of the cases that I'm talking about where there was a result before he gets caught up in that thing later the wrongful death and the murder
case are both California cases. Okay, And if I want to tell me point, my point is simply that New York is so screwed up that don't be surprised if they start requiring you to register as a sex defender after a civil suit goes against you. You're telling me it's that screwed up New York. I got a question that surprised me. I got a question. Then you're telling me that, literally, the New York legal system is more screwed up than the calib foreign legal system. Yeah, oh, this is a
surprise to me. But my point does stand in that naturally, if you're held liable in a civil proceeding, it is not the same as being criminally held accountable. It's a difference. So you know, I'm just saying, maybe maybe this is a case where they couldn't convolute it enough, they couldn't cross that boundary. It's literally it's a different judge, it's a different type
of procedure in any jurisdiction. These things are not remotely close. I mean, if you think about the standard of evidence in the King trial Martin Luther King Junior, the civil action that took place where they had all these people held accountable and the wrongful death of Martin Luther King Jr. And James Arrolray is the convict, and he was working on having his case set aside. But that was a criminal situation. When they get their symbolic settlement in Memphis,
right, that's a civil procedure. Nobody else has to go to prison, even though they had a whole slew of people that were supposedly liable for the wrongful death and the violation of the civil rights of doctor Martin Luther King Junior in his assassination. So I'm just saying the way it normally stands is a civil procedure not the same as a criminal one. This time, this
is a criminal procedure convoluted as it is. That's a difference. So you know, they don't put you in jail over a civil thing unless you violate a court order, and that's a separate situation. You're being held in contempt of a court order things like this, But generally speaking, penalties, they can't apply prison time and things like this to you in a civil case. So therefore they can't do things that restrict your freedom, like make you register
as a sex offender, on and on. So that's why Trump is not registered as anything because he was found guilty in a civil proceeding anyway. And actually and actually the trial was for rape, and the jury acquitted him, and the jury and the judge wrote a summary judgment claiming the judge bought them guilty on his own of so called sexual assault other than rape, right, and so in a criminal and in a criminal proceeding, it is very difficult
for a judge to set aside a jury's verdict. In a civil proceeding, a judge can easily set aside a jury's verdict. A judge to do it in a criminal case too, they can they No, it's not just as easy. That's a little different, is no. Just If a judge decides to set aside a verdict, he can do it for any reason that he deems all representative of setting it aside. It's his discretion. It's not as no, no, no, depends on the jurisdiction. No, a judge.
See, that's the thing about judges. They do have that ability to set aside a verdict in any case. It's no harder. All he has to do is state why he's setting it aside and make an order. It's that simple. But what I'm saying is our jurisprudence system has already been set on edge now that we have political prosecutions that blatantly are political prosecutions. We've
just stepped over the line into a third world country. And if you think it's bad now, it's only going to get worse now that people see what they can get away with in our courts of law. Because it doesn't matter that it's just three years down the road it might finally make it to appeal.
It's what's going on now. People have been bankrupted over this January sixth crap and all the Russian influenced crap where people were hauled in before the FBI and they said something that they could turn into line to the FBI, and then they make our life a live in hell and ruin them financially for the rest of their life based off nothing. It's gotten to the point now that we are in a third world judicial system. So you can make all the
comparisons between New York and California and the federal level all you want. You're seeing something that's been alluded to a point right now that if you think it's bad, now, just wait. The fascists are in power and they are using whatever means necessary to get what they want. Now it has moved into the judicial end of things, and that's where we're screwed. We have three proms of government in this country. Two of them were heavily corrupted. This
one is the third. And now you're starting to see the corruption that's in the judicial system. We've seen it for years. It really really started coming to light once you saw the Russian craft with Trump and we went through six years of bullshit and people being prosecuted for lyon to the FBI or getting caught in an contradiction and it turns into charges of lying to the FBI. And now you're financially ruined trying to defend yourself from these assholes in power. And
you just wait. You think it's bad, now, it's going to get worse when you corrupt that third rail. Worse. Screwed, all right, So, according to various According to various sources, I want to tell you how wrong you are about this. Setting aside a jury verdict in all cases. You can do this in various civil judgments. True, However, if you do that and you set aside a not guilty verdict in a criminal case. If you attempt to do that, it is an automatic violation of the
defendent's fit Amendment rights. That is in the majority of jurisdictions in the United States, the majority. Okay, So you can set aside a guilty verdict. As a judge, it is easier to do that. There is a differential between the two things. You can set it aside because there is a problem basically declaring a mistrial and you can produce a summary verdict, but it
doesn't stand that easily. They drop on appeal very easily, unless you have an extremely good reason to say that the process was went wrong, it was corrupted, the jury was bought off, something like this. That is the only way that that works. But when you try and set aside a not guilty verdict, you got a problem. It doesn't stand in almost every jurisdiction
in the country set aside a not guilty verdict. That's right. If you try to set aside a not guilty verdict, like let's just say political prosecution judge, I've never heard of anybody ever setting aside a not guilty verdict. That's because they can't go ahead and take a look at That's what I'm trying to tell you. In a criminal case, there's a difference a verdict of
No, wait, we're talking about two different things. I'm talking about it's easy for a judge to set aside a prosecution, a conviction in a court case. I'm not even talking about not guilty verdicts. That wouldn't even have It's not even I wouldn't. That didn't even enter my lexicon. I don't. We're talking about two different things. I'm trying to just explain that there
is a difference in the rule between criminal jury verdicts and sibyl. That's all I'm trying to explain to you is that there's a difference there in what can and cannot be set aside by a judge. It is not the same simple
process in a civil case. Though, you can pretty much declare that a whole bunch of things went wrong and this this is just was not done correctly and the jury misunderstood because et cetera, et cetera, and as an officer of the court, the judge has the right to set aside all kinds of stuff in civil cases criminal cases. Sorry, your constitution is supposed to have supremacy over that. Yeah either no no, no, no, no no. This judge had the ability when the when the jury case back and say
guilty on all thirty four counts. He could have very easily said, I'm setting that verdict aside. It's a simple process. It's not as easy as it is in a civil case, is my only point. Yes, it is in criminal cases, and I'm reading directly from US legal dot com. In criminal cases, judges may disregard a jury's guilty verdict and acquit or grant a new trial if they believe the evidence was insufficient to support the decision made
by the jurors. Judges may also set aside a verdict if they believe the verdict was reached on a basis that violates the US or respective state constitution, or if the legal theory on which the jury based their decision does not conform
to law. And that is specifically what we have here. Because the judge told the jurors that it didn't matter that they weren't unanimous on whatever proposed crime Trump committed, but these lesser felonies were now brought up to may felonies because of its direct connection to that crime that they could basically decide in their own minds he was guilty of. This is the judge could have set this aside
very simply. All he does is make the order judgment notwithstanding a verdict or judgment that sets aside a verdict based on the fact that there was a problem in the evidence or procedure. Yeah, it's I'm telling you there's a difference between civil and criminal. That's the only thing I'm trying to explain to you. No, the difference between civil and criminal is is that a civil trial, a judge can set aside a verdict regard and how much money should be
awarded by the jury to the planet and those damages. The amount is totally
distinct from compensatory damages. That's where they get into the degree of what they can and can't dismiss or that they can bring down based on a cap But it's as simple for any judge to set aside any verdict of a jury by simply making the order to set the decision aside, plain and simple plan and simy why that's that's in the plain and simple Listeners to this show go ahead and check out what it is. I'm saying here that there is a difference
between these two things, because find out for yourselves, and I'll leave it at that. Jimmy, I'm gonna put you on hold. I don't want to sit and keep arguing about it. But let's see who else is on the line. We got a new caller, and maybe he's got something else in mind. He wants to discuss, or he wants to continue on anyway, who do I got? No, I'm gonna hey, I'll put a different fit out there. I gotta I'll bet a dirty dollar to a shiny
five dollar because the GPS brought up Canadian beer. My voote would be Mexican beer is far better than Canadian beer. How the hell are we supposed to make that bet work? Let me see here, a dollar to a five first the ball and second Canadian versus Mexican beer. What are you telling me? Dose Ekies beats out Moulse and what what do we say? Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, okay, I have no idea how to run this
bet. Beat Pete. You want to help me out and tell him now, there's no way that a dose Akies is better than a Moulten gold. And I don't care who you are there. You don't compare beer and ale, so well what what what is corona considered? I don't even know beer? Okay, look man, I don't even know how to place that bet. But if somebody wants to take you up on it, I mean, by all means, I don't even know how to how to measure that one.
It's out there. But more more seriously, you're talking about food prices. I was on last last Saturday's Saturday Night Anarchy thing. I dropped in on him and we started talking about food prices and how nobody can afford to eat. But yeah, go ahead, yeah, well I I My family is multi generational farmers on both sides, and agriculture has changed quite a bit that I would look at something that nobody looks at or discusses, and that's the middle man. And the middle man is run by a cartel and it's
a JBS and beat Processing, Cargill and Archers Daniels Midland. To start looking in there, and then you're going to see where your food why your food prices are so high? Well, when you mentioned Cargill, what you're talking about is these grocery distribution hubs right, that come in and make these mass deliveries to a lot of different places. Now, some corporate entities like Walmart has their own trucks, right, you know, you'll notice that seven to
eleven has their own people. Now, I don't know if they own the trucks or if they've hired a separate company, but they have a particular set of individuals in an area where they do distribution. And it's all supposed to be through the approved stuff that comes from Southland Corporation. Only you have God, I'm trying to think of some of the other names, but there were a bunch of them out there at one point, the big grocery distributors that
I used to have to deal with. And even if you're a convenience store, an independent convenience store, you might be dealing with one of these. And yes, indeed, they jack things up. That's why on that show, by the way, we were talking about these share programs where you go to a local person who raises a handful of cattle, and what do you do. You buy a portion of a cow in advance, right, and that way you and a couple other families turn around and divide up the cow.
When it's time to slaughter it, and you're supposed to get your share of the meat based on your investment, your percentage of whatever came out of it. Stuff like that, And I said, you know that as well as when it comes to vegetables and other commodities that are being grown locally, where you might actually have some insight in that how the food is being created,
what is being treated with? What are the farmer's standards. Are they using monsanto only seeds or have they come up with you know, some of the what do they call those things? The seeds that are still good and haven't been screwed with yet? What do they call those? Sorry, I'm sorry, I lost my train and fun on the name of the seeds, the manipulation. They're not genetically modified as what I was trying to say. Yeah, right, there's a name for that, but go ahead. Yeah.
No, The point I was making is I was talking about the farm, of the family farm. What was the ability to farm. One of the things is that the prices have gone up, the farmers price that they sell to a lot of the middle miss those prices have been suppressed, and so what happens is the small gone out, the big companies and financialization has bought most of the major farms. And I've just seen that right that bro and the small farmer gets based out, they can no longer compete, right.
Well, what I was saying on that program was that we can approach people, and I did find the term I'm looking for the organic or non GMO seeds is heirloom. They call them heirloom seeds in some cases. So anyway, you could go to a farmer locally and find out if they're using heirloom seeds or if they're using the regular GMO stuff, and sometimes you can make an investment in their crops. Now, these are not big agg companies.
I'm talking about, you know, the small family farmer, which barely exists anymore, no matter how much they use it as a you know, as a whistle out there and tell you about we are for the small family farmers, most of them, not even some of the deceptions are interesting out there where some of these larger or medium style companies have turned around and turned some of their workers into allegedly owners of plots of land right so that they
can qualify for a bunch of these programs. And meanwhile it's all actually being collected by one guy who owns, you know, a big huge chunk of land that he's you know, made partial owners of the people that are actually working the land. And it's all a scam. These guys don't collect any money. They just have their name on a piece of property, so I
guess it helps with their credit rating. But other than that, you know, you might be able to go find out and buy yourself a portion in advance of something that's being grown, and that way you could work with a local farmer who's got a small farm because the big agro companies are not going to work with you like this, and you might be able to save some money. But here's the sad part about that. That's not saving you money
anymore either, because whatever they're using has all been jacked up. You know, you go to the local feed supplies anywhere in this country, you're gonna find out, guess what everything, whether it's you know, the vaccination for your dogs to not have rabies, or it is you know, organic sprays
that they might try to purchase or feed for the animals or whatever. Yeah, all that stuff is jacked up. Now, So where do you get relief from a the biochemical nightmare that is coming out of the big agro companies. And b can you get a price break anywhere anymore? Is my big question? And guess what. Out of six guys on that show, nobody's actually got the answer. Nobody knows. And they're from you know, all
different parts of the country. I mean from Texas, where you know, there is some people working on getting a beef agreements, you know, with individuals so that they can buy into the cows, like I was talking about at the beginning. Here there are people doing that. And guess what, because of the other you know costs that come into play here, none of
it is saving anybody any money. You might have a shot at getting healthier food, though, and you could get it locally, which you know, I believe in supporting a local economy as opposed to you know, supporting an international corporation. But I think that we've reached a screene point where there is no price break and there's almost no reliable way to escape the you know now bear as opposed to monsanto, you know, cartel when it comes to seeds
and growing anything. Now, maybe I'm wrong, Danny, Maybe you know something about this because you're a multi generational farm person. Maybe I'm wrong, tell me about it. You're not wrong, You're not wrong. I mean, if you're trying to start like a family farm, you're beholden. You know you've got to get GM to get loans to farm bills. Right basically catered to the large agribusiness. But one thing that fortunate work I'm here in
northern California is almost all year round. I can go to farm rooms markets and we can get fresh fruit and vegetables. Matter of fact, we've a my home, made a big horse for my life's made a wonderful garden. And that effect we have an abundance will be given away so and there will be no testicides. It'll be as organic as we can get. Well,
one I wish I lived near you, and even in Georgia. Here, you know there are people that maybe not I don't see farmers' markets very often, and I tried to go to one not too long ago that wasn't there, even though it's said on the internet it was occasionally, believe it or not, at flea markets. There are people now showing up and this is
a newer phenomena I understand now. Maybe I'm wrong about this too, but this is apparently a newer thing that's happening in a lot of local communities where there are people who have you know, a big garden at their home and are bringing their extra vegetables to the flea market. Okay, now I'm not saying, you know about the quality or anything, but in some cases these people are selling you know, home grown for cheaper than what you might get
at the grocery store. And I don't know, maybe you got a better shot as opposed to buying you know, Mexican tomatoes along with your you know, South American bananas and god knows where the hell the lettuce came from. That's probably filthy as hell, you know, in your local supermarket. You might do better go into the flea market for some fresh produce every couple of
weeks. It's a weird phenomenon, and that's what I've been hearing about, and I've seen it here in Georgia at Smileys, which, by the way, BPT, if you come to visit me at Georgia again, I really do want to make a trip to Smiley's if we ever get a chance on a weekend and show you this place because I don't know. I love flea markets. They are a lot of fun. And I'm telling you if you can find some organic or affordable food there, go go do it. I
mean, because we all need a price break here. But Danny, you got any advice for anybody as far as price breaks or how to get healthier food or anything else aside from the obvious, which is if you have land available and the wherewithal to do so, grow anything you can yourself. What else you got for people outside of that? I was, I was just I would just cojere to the ground. I mean where you were here.
We have several places within I'm within ten minutes getting fresh fruit and vegetables usually on the weekends. The city I live in they put up the place. Sacramento has several they have co ops with they just you know, they're like they're just they call them, you know, natural food markets and organic farmers or small bit family farmers. They sell the products there. And I know
we found a particular three range draink meat company. They grow their beef, and my daughter and my wife they'll go in and buy meat and we'll put it all in the freezer, and you know, it's pretty good stuff, you know what. You know what I wish I would see re emerge. And you're gonna think I'm nuts because the way I describe New Jersey all the time. But bear with me a second. When I was first, you know, the earliest adulthood, I mean, I got right out as soon
as I can, got my apartment. I finished high school in my own apartment. Right. One of the great things that somebody's mom helped me discover was that there was Now I know, everybody thinks I'm nuts when I say this, and people are going to laugh, but you know, Jersey it does say it's the garden state. At one time there was lots of stuff being grown there. I know it's funny to a lot of people nowadays, but believe it or not, there is a lot of agriculture in a certain
part of New Jersey. It's not a huge state, but there is a tremendous swath of it, you know, comparatively speaking, that is devoted to agriculture. So what happens is there were in let's see, in nineteen ninety, in nineteen eighty nine and ninety there was what they called food cooperatives and what you were able to do. Is you end up with a bunch of groceries during half of the year. Okay, once a month, you could
go there and collect groceries for half a year. And it was interesting because it was all stuff that was grown and then collected and brought to the cooperative area. And what it was is that you had to pay in advance. Okay, you paid, like you know, if I paid right now, say I would go around July first. If I paid around June first, and go around July first to the cooperative and collect a percentage of what was
brought together by the food cooperative. And that money was supposed to be divided among all the people that either you know, you know, kept the animals and then slaughtered them and brought them in, brought in portions of them, whether it was chickens or it was you know, occasionally we got some beef, but not too often. But there were chickens and other things that were
brought in there. And then there was also carrots and cucumbers and all kinds of stuff that was either grown in large private gardens that had become part of the cooperative or on small farms in New Jersey. And you would get a collection of things. Now, the only difficulty was that you had no predictive
nature. It was sort of like you signed up for everything, and whether it was a place that was, you know, independently making bread out of wheat they grew, which, by the way, if you can get bread that's made from wheat that's grown locally, to you, it is the smarter
thing to do for your health. If you're living in an area and you take the local wheat, you're much better off eating that bread as opposed to the bread from wherever the hell they've been storing what they're calling grain somewhere else. But anyway, that's a side issue. But vegetables and meat, mostly vegetables grown locally, could be collected from all these resources, all these places
and brought together if people organized it into what they called food cooperatives. Now I've heard that term used in recent years, but I'm thinking to myself,
this is a way that small farmers and gardeners could get together. Even if you just got people together with gardens, and by percentage, if you got you know, say, one hundred growers together of various things, this could be a way to do it. They get funding from the fact that people pay the month before and they get funding throughout your growing season depending on where you are. I mean, obviously this would change based on location, and
you could collectively bring it together. It benefits the person buying the food because they're getting locally grown food. It encourages people to buy and to create their gardens and their small farms or to keep their animals. It encourages them to do that locally. I don't see how that's a lose situation at all. If you're getting a fair amount of food for what it is you have to invest. Now. Back then, I could put fifty dollars in and that
was, you know, I think the minimum. You got fifty dollars, and it bought you a share of what is collected all together. In some months it was bigger than others out way more than I would have gotten taken that fifty dollars to food Town or shopright or shopping bag or whatever the hell was locally available at the time. I remember it was food Town and Acme and stuff like that in Jersey. But it doesn't matter. It's irrelevant.
You got better grown stuff, cleaner things by people that actually care about it and take care of their plants and their animals locally. Not saying it's flawless, but it's an idea. And you know, the only thing in Jersey you couldn't do the milk. But in some locations you can even get raw fresh milk straight off the farm. In Pennsylvania you were able to do that,
but it was not legal in Jersey. I used to actually have somebody that went to Pennsylvania and would collect money from a bunch of people and come back with a trunk full of glass bottle milk, and you had to bring back your bottles in order to get a refill on the farm. And it was thought of as a private transaction because technically speaking, you're not allowed to sell your raw milk straight from the farm nless the FDA approves it and you
have it cooked and sanitized and tested and da da da da dah. But I was getting raw milk from a Pennsylvania farm because I was part of a milk club along with the guy who made the trip from Jersey who we all had to, you know, throw an extra tip a couple dollars worth of gas from everybody filling up his trunk with glass bottles. He actually made a little money, going for a day to Pennsylvania and coming back with our milk, not saying we had enough milk for a month, but it was another
way to attack this. And these are the kind of things that I think could save a lot of people who are not able to keep fed. I've been having trouble keeping my small family fed. I know almost everybody I talked to is having the same trouble. And I want to know, do you guys have any thoughts on that. I'll start with Danny, I'll go to be Pete and then we'll go back to Jimmy and see if anybody else calls
in. But what are your thoughts on this? Guys? Is there a way out that we could start to, I don't know, cooperate with one another. I mean, you know, don't just I can't go to that farm. He's a trunk who cares. It's about food. It's not about politics, it's not about race, it's not about it's about food, and you get it from a local person. I think it's a win win situation. So what are your guys thoughts on co ops? Danny, I'll start
with you. Yeah, I think co ops, any type of local is a good idea and everybody's got to eat, you know, so anything that you know, I just would enjoy. In California, there's quite a bit
of a a farm to fork movement here. I mean, still the big agg is going to be king because they've got the deeper pockets, because there's a lot there's definitely an underground movement, not an underground but a more local, cooperative movement to move towards that type of They seem when I've gotten they seem to be busy and a lot of oil shops and the same farmers. So you get it, like you said, you get a good idea of where your food's coming from. Well, and sometimes you feel better you help
the neighbor and you get a better value. Well. And there's the thing, right is I feel like, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm dead wrong about this, but I feel like if you go farm to table and you're able to do this on a local level, like I said, it seems like a win win deal to me. And it seems like one of
the ways that we can fight back against what's happening right now. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like this is one of those things that could add, you know, a little bit of strength to our ability to survive wherever it is we're sitting. I'm all for it, and I think we should investigate ways to encourage this or maybe it already exists where you the listener are sitting and listening to me right now. I don't know. I am not saying that I know this, but this is a big
deal in my mind. Okay, I think this is one of the those things that we have to do. This isn't like, oh, wouldn't that be nice. I think this is one of those things we're going to have to do soon in order to make life livable. Man, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. So Danny, tell me what what what else do you think about this? You have anything else you want to add? I mean, I want to see if you're and Jim James has an idea you
know about this or just don't think Well, we're also real quick. I know I have heard some on some public radio stations that there's actually urban farm has become quite popular, like where there's areas where they're kind of like an area may be blighted and there might be a lot and they're starting you know, co operative urban farming, and I think I agree. Anything we can do to kind of uh add some form of competition in a healthy way,
it would be would be value to everybody, especially the conserner. That would be my thoughts, right, And I mean, look if it if it's succeeded enough to take a bite out of some of these you know, local extortion projects they call grocery stores. Like I know, BP, you didn't like it when I brought up Pigley Wiggily, but I'm telling you they're robbing us here in this neighborhood. They have the highest prices of any I mean,
they are higher priced than Kroger or you know. The only thing they're not higher price than is like, you know, the organic food store. Other than that, just to buy crap. They are charging you more at Pigley Wiggly than anywhere else. I mean, this is why people are shopping at Family Dollar and the Dollar Tree for groceries. They're trying to escape Pigley Wiggly, and some of them can't. They don't have the mobility to even go a couple more miles away. I mean, it's just what it is,
be Pete, but it's not Pigley Wiggily's fault. It's just what happens in certain urban environments. Your thoughts be pete or did I put you to sleep? No, you're not gonna you know, you're not gonna change my opinion of the pig. If they're charging more of that area, they're charging what they think they can get away with. The American dream. But when it comes to our state is heavily ag. It's our number one export UH
in this state. And we do have some excellent programs from field to fork for I mean, it's amazing what our AGG department will do to help people get in the business. If you want to raise it, catch it, grow it, they will help you get it to market. They have specific programs set up for that. So the problem is this, you know, most people that go to the grocery store, they don't even know where's stuffs
coming from. You have a company like Smithfield, largest port producer in the US, is now owned by the largest port producer in the world, which is China. Other companies that have been bought out heavily through these like companies like Berkshire Halfway buying into certain well let me let me ask you. Yeah, let me ask you a geographically specific question then, because I know for a fact there's plenty of hog farms in North Carolina. Okay, local guys
raising hogs, right, plenty of them. Now, how is it that if you want to buy a pork product and I don't really eat pork, but if you want to buy pork, how is it that you're not going to one of these local guys? Or is there such a thing as this cooperative ideal that I was talking about? Is there something like that so that BP could go get bacon from a guy who's making it right there in North
Carolina? Or are you you know? Is that not there? Is there not a connection between You've got independent stores other than your big grocery stores and things like that. The Nahunta Pork Center up north of Goldsborough, nahunas one of the biggest pork for you know, processors in the area. Buy anything there. There's local, there's a store, there's a small store in is it pink Kill or Deep pink Kill? I believe it is. You can go down there by a whole hall, get it butchered anyway that you want.
That's the thing about Pigley wigglei'es now Pigley Wiggily still keeps an active butcher in their stores to do their own butchering when it comes to I mean, they'll buy beef, they'll buy pork, you know, whole halves and cut them down for sale. It's your big companies like Smithfield and Tyson and things like that that are being influenced by the you know, the the investment firms and and companies from other countries that you know, want to come here and
buy in. Like I said, Smithfield was uh. They were based in Virginia for years and years and years and they were just bought out by the largest pork manufacturer in China. So you know, Smithfield Foods, you weren't gonna see you guys had a chicken Yeah, you guys had a chicken plant that was not far from where I lived in Kingston. And we've had several.
You've got the you've got the butterball turkey plant that's up in Goldsborough, but right there in Kingston, you've got oh crap, uh, not Smithfield. The label looks like Smithfield though it's something like that. It's it's a it begins with an S something Farms. Let me look it up. Yeah, they built built a huge feed meal process to process all the food that's going to their chicken houses. And they've got a processing center which used to
be the old Frosty Morn packing plant. Morne was a local beat product company, hot dogs, maloney, things like that years ago. Right now, there was not Smithfield, let me look them up. Yeah. Now, there was a place that was just outside of the borders of the very very black part of Kinston that had a grocery store that was sourcing literally it's hot dogs and stuff from some place locally, and I think it was the hot dogs in the chicken mainly that they had coming in there and that was being
made locally. And Sanderson Farms they were put out of business, the one that was right outside there. Yeah, Sanderson is the ones that came in back in the nineties and built up real heavily in this area. They've got a lot of the chicken houses. Now. Tyson used to be. Tyson had a bunch of houses down here the Central Soil, which is another company.
I think they're located. I want to stay out of Arkansas, and I'm not sure they had a lot of houses in here and over time Sanderson said, hey, this is a good place for us to go in and build a processing center. So it's a whole new it's not that old. They have a lot of turnover. They employ a lot of people, a lot of migrants work there. But they've gone the whole route. They not only built a processing plant, but they also built the feed meal operations so
that they could service their farms. You know. They they have brooding houses and things like that where they provide the chickens to the growers and then they come and pick them up when they get of weight for processing. It's the whole big, you know, convolute thing. But yeah, we've got Smithfield, We've got Butterball turkeys. We've got House of Rayford Turkeys, which was brought out by butter Ball. Murphy Brown is probably the biggest hog producer in
this end of the state. And there Murphy Brown is actually a subsidiary of Smithfield Foods. Even the guy who ran even the guy who I was working for as a as a commercial glass glacier, and we were putting in commercial and institutional glass, I mean in schools, prisons, all that stuff. I mean, I was carrying around hundreds and hundreds of pounds of freaking you know, all sorts of different glass uh and and bulletproof stuff and all that. You know, that guy had hog farms. It was like it was
wild man. It was. It was like it seemed like anybody who had, you know, a pretty well established business of one type or another, some sort of you know, a service thing that kind of was part of servicing something else. Larger people that you know, did blacktop work stuff like that, they all seemed to have. Oh yeah, and also I own a hog farm. I couldn't figure it out when I was there, but I was sitting there saying to myself, how is it that Smithfield and these
other companies have squeezed them out? And I remember that grocery store, like I said, going out of business that was locally sourcing at the very least chicken and hot dogs. I know, it sounds crazy, but they told us when we went there that they were basically being put out of business by the big boys, like they had arranged it so that they could no longer be there. They weren't gonna they were starting to, you know, make
it more restrictive what it is they could bring in. They were wanting regulations, Health Department. Everything came down on their heads and they shut it down. And that is the end of local sourcing. So you have no idea where happen to crap was coming from that they were packaging there. And also you had no idea as to whether you were actually able to buy the stuff that was being packaged locally, even at the food line or wherever else.
I don't understand this shuffling food through our system. It's like Danny was saying, in the middle midlines around here and in this state, food lines went through. They redid all their stores. They took out the basic, they took out the butcher. Yeah, now all their stuff is processed, packaged. When he comes in the door just goes from the you know, the frozen truck to the frozen case, but it's on the shelf, but it's
all delivered now. So Pigley Wiggley, some of your I GAS, which was what International Grocers Association or some some of their stores still have in house butchers. I know there's there's a group of stores here called carly C's. They've got I think eight or nine stores around the done area. They have
their in house butchers, so you can still find them. It's hard to you know, when when the company's biggest food line, which you know everybody thinks is American company, No, they're owned by a Scandinavian company, have been for years. IM really look at who owns the big companies now with
most of them have foreign dies. One of the biggest, one of the biggest food companies in the US is Nestley and they're you know, they're partially owned by uh, China and other countries, so they're they're getting their fingers into it. It's getting harder, but luckily our state has the ability to
find local sourcing. You know, if you I don't know how many people watch PBS, but there was a program on there where a local chef they're in Kinston started a restaurant and was buying all of her stuff locally and what was it the farmer and the chef uh Nia has now turned into like a family style restaurant because the owner has decided to invest more time down in the South Carolina area. So she's kind of slowly making her way out of Kinston.
And you know, she was very popular. She's written some very popular books and it was a program on PBS for several years the series ran. So there are programs in place. We're lucky in this state. There's a lot of states that don't have the programs set up that our Agriculture Department, and a lot of it is done through our agg department, our local social services, our local community colleges. There's a big push for especially with the
new technology that's entering the field of agriculture. It's amazing some of the things that come out of North Carolina State in the way of processing and making the small farmer viable in today's big market competition. Well, it's really set up. Well, I'm really proud of what the state has done agriculturally to help the small farmer. Yeah, but do you have access to it? Is my question as a consumer? Do you have access? As a consumer?
Yes, do you have access? There's our ag department runs a got to Be n C program where they actually go out and promote getting these local products to our local markets and helping them move out of North Carolina into regional markets and then being able to sell their goods, you know, say the entire East coast. All right, but that doesn't sound like you personally have direct access. It's like they put it in your stores and then you got see
more middleman. Jimmy, do you guys have stuff like this where you are, like I was talking about with the cooperatives? Or can you get organic or locally grown stuff? Or hell, would you even want it where you're at? I don't know, you know, tell me what do they have that kind of stuff for you? Do you have says to it locally? Is that a possibility? And by the way, we're coming toward the end of the show unless uh, either a we get some new callers or b
uh somebody makes a donation. So that's the end of that pretty soon. I'm gonna let people give their final word. But Jimmy, you got any thoughts on this? Uh? Uh? Yeah, there's probably that stuff around. But my fear is if I did that stuff, I'd don't look like Bobby Kennedy Junior. Full of worms and mercury. Oh you're already weird. Youre weird? Yeah, fair enough, worried about the brain worms? I got you. That's fine. If that's your worry, man, I'm with
you. It's okay, sucker. Rather go with the good old process. Food did not have to get dewormed. Mm hmm. So instead of I hunt here and I cut open deer and I see they have tuberculosis. Sec fish them open. I see these black spots all inside them. They're full of worms. You couldn't live office after you die before age fifty, just like one hundred years ago. Wow. Okay, well, if that's the case, I mean, you know, I'm hoping that's not the case here
in Georgia. But then again, I haven't slaughtered an animal in Georgia, so I don't know, only that the bullbine the bowbye flew or whatever. Huh Okay, hey, fair enough, So b Pete, We're about ready to close out the show. You got any thoughts? No ours, another good show. I even helped two hours flew by pretty quick. All I can say is looking forward to doing it next week. Other than that, appreciate Jimmy for calling in and our other caller from California there. Yeah,
I've opened up the line and they helped make the show. Definitely, absolutely realize we got through two hours that we were really ever even touched on the Trump issue very much. So no, you could consider that a win. Shut Thank god I did not. I was so not looking forward to like two hours of drowning in that, but who knows. Next week is another option. And for you guys, look, I've got Danny and I've got Jimmy, both on the open line right now, So if either one of
you wants to jump in and interrupt me, do it. But otherwise, I think I'm going to put a cap on this one for the week and tell you that no, no, Aaron Franz tonight, but he'll be back next week along with Uncle. I think they had a soccer game or something to do. But I do appreciate all you guys who have decided to listen, and if you're catching this on the replay, I appreciate you as well.
We're adding new things to the replays, by the way, I don't know if anybody noticed, but we got some May Brussel stuff running, which everybody said I should do, so I ran the earliest recordings I had of May Brussel and I'm going to add to him this weekend. And also I got the Mike Swanson conversation from yesterday, which by the way, covers for
about an hour plus hour and fifteen. I think the Trump trial and what Trump is doing in Virginia, and how he's looking a primary out a guy who disagreed with him, I guess in Virginia, and what's happening in local politics where Mike is also Wall Street Window retiring as a news website, so that's going to be out of the way. And if you go there now, you'll see that there's just that note up there. That's the only thing featured. You can still sign up with the newsletter, which I would suggest
you do. And I still highly recommend Mike's books and will continue to support those, although I know most of you have already purchased it if you're gonna, So that's that. And yeah, at all times I could use a little help over here. I got a phone bill and something else coming up. Then I gotta pay. And I know it's tough. It's the beginning of a month and everybody's suffering. But we got to find ways out of this. And I hope that I've given you some sort of ideas tonight.
Maybe explore your local food systems, see who's growing things, See if there is a cooperative, and if there isn't, perhaps you could start one with just a handful of people and we could begin to push back a little bit against the food system, the ridiculousness. I mean, you're having stuff trucked in from foreign nations that you're going to eat. I mean, Jimmy's happy with the processed food, but I'm not. And I'm also not happy with
the cancer and the diabetes and the ozempic and Jesus Christ. Anyway, no matter who you are, where you are, when you are, I want you to remember that I'm merely o'celly. All of you are indeed the Effect, and I'm working on that book too, so that'll be coming out soon. We'll be talking about Lancer in the upcoming weeks and whatever else you guys decide to join in with on Friday nights. And this was another one on
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