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have a face for radio. But it is Moonday, Monday, and it's the first broadcast day of the week at o'chelly dot com, and we are kicking it off with something that I have not dealt into often as of late. Why okay, let's just get straight on into this. Jordan Maxwell was a friend of mine pribit and we did a lot of presentations together. You can still find that one of the things I didn't delete from the publicly accessible
stuff on o'ceelly dot com. If you search for Jordan Maxwell, I'm sure you'll find about forty presentations on there with him and I over the years. Easily, they're not all there, but most of them still publicly accessible. You'll find that they used to be up on YouTube and some others have taken them and reposted them on YouTube. No permission, no contact with me or anything. They're allowed to put my stuff on YouTube, but I am not.
Okay, that's fine, And that was part of the thing with Jordan is that when we really started to work together on the long series, he insisted that I made sure that none of it was put behind a paywall and things like this, and that was his only condition. He approached me and wanted to make sure that we did sort of definitive series on a couple of
different topics. Well, we did the Dogmatic Theology series that was done at twenty five episodes, although only twenty four of them were made public, and we started another one Astro Theology. All right, is it related? Absolutely? Is it the cool of what Jordan Maxwell presented and gifted to the majority of us? Indeed it was? Is it the thing that resonated throughout so
many people's work. I mean, I don't have time to list at all, and I'm certainly not going to sit here and list at all, because I've got a guest tonight who is going to guess what bring us back through some of that work and also do it in a slightly different way than what Jordan used to. I mean, Jordan certainly had a routine after a while,
and yet got a little bit strange toward the end. And I was very sad when my friend sometimes would come and record something with me, and I didn't even feel as though I could honestly release it because it might have appeared to make it as though Jordan wasn't quite himself, wasn't quite altogether after a stroke and things like that. So we started the astro Theology series,
as I said, and we only got three episodes in. It was planned for thirty, never got there, and Jordan just sort of would decide he had felt quite drained after the stroke and this and that. But that was about two years before he died. He did make a few other appearances on my show. I'm really really sad still that I was not able to go out and see him for his birthday in Los Angeles, only weeks before he passed away. I certainly wanted to. He wanted me to come see him,
but unfortunately that was not my faith. We had an interesting relationship, and I learned that quite frankly, Jordan had relationships that he compartmentalized between other individuals. And I haven't talked about this on air again. I'm going to tell you why I'm talking about it in just a moment. But here's the thing. Just because you were his friend didn't mean that you shared information or he even allowed you to know about another friend of his. He was very
protective of himself because he had to be. People ripped him off, not only in person, but in other ways. They literally stole his name. There are people out there today making money off of videos that he recorded, his intellectual property, still making money even though he's dead. People are still taking advantage of him. This is why I stressed every single time he was on my show. No you go to the one website which was Jordan Maxwell's
show dot com. That was the only website that was his Everything else out there, sorry, was run by somebody else. Was somebody else making money off of Jordan's name. Anyway. It was fascinating because I'd got an approach from various people over the years about well, Jordan Maxwell agreed with me, Jordan Maxwell endorsed me. Jordan Maxwell taught me. Now, indeed he taught a lot of us, But did he personally teach a lot of people?
Not really? There were a handful of people, that's for sure. Jeffrey Max been on here. He called Jordan's mentor, and it's true he actually lived with Jordan for a while. There are other people that I know lived with Jordan, worked with Jordan directly. In true there are very few people
that really were Jordan's good, good friends. And oddly enough, I actually have somebody on here who was toward the end of Jordan's life about eight years after I entered into his life, two years the last two years or so. Somewhere in that time period, Mike and Dank got well familiar with Jordan.
And why because the universal concepts that Jordan's shared with the world and literally have resonated in and people have plagiarized, and people have picked up on and whole films are made out of. TV shows have been made out of documentary series have been made out of Yeah, not even with Jordan's endorsements. Sometimes they've even used his image his words directly, and there was almost nothing he could do about it most of the time. But interestingly enough, Mike and
Dank is somebody who and said, oh, well, thank you. Someone has actually picked up part of what I was doing, and they're doing it the right way. He actually endorsed MICA's work. Now I heard this claim. I was told this by third parties, and I said to myself, Oh boy, do we have another person trying to steal from Jordan Maxwell? Do I have another person trying to capitalize on his name? No, we
don't. We actually have somebody who got friendly with Jordan, and frankly has done a lot of work on his own, has studied some esoteric things that we're going to get into tonight. And I'm gonna shut up real soon, I promise, and quite frankly, I'm gonna need to, because this visual presentation is going to be important. If you're hearing the audio, you're gonna want to go check out the visual. But I think it'll all translate rather
nicely. Anyhow, Michael Dank, I've given people a lot of hints here as to the backstory, so to speak, and I think it's been fair enough. But there's a bunch of things I'm probably never going to be able to air and good conscience on air that were personal between me and Jordan,
believe it or not. And it's funny even the details of his life and things like that they went on there are people that were close friends of his that maybe didn't know certain things, and yet there's another group of people that did. It's very, very mysterious. It almost reminds me of what was that the Marquis of Saint George or whatever it was, right that that interesting
figure in history who shows up and he's an alchemist. I bet you know what I'm talking about in fact, but interesting character in history there that shows up and everybody's got different ideas about his background, who he was and everything else. And no, don't send me the letters about Russell Pine and this wasn't his real name. And I know who Jordan Maxwell was. I know who he was, I know what his legal fiction was, and I also
know what he did. And the most important thing is that he educated a whole world of people, whether they know it or not, and informed all of us one way or another, especially if you're in the alternative world of thinking and analyzation when it comes to religion, society, culture, symbolism, etc. Anyway, Mica, sorry, I went to a long introduction there because I thought it was necessary. What are your thoughts on what I had
to say? It's absolutely perfect and I don't care where his birth name was. I don't care what the story with that is. I mean, everybody online has a pseudonym, Like, who cares? What does that have to do with anything? Honestly, what does it have to do with anything. Jordan touched my life in twenty twelve, my first video I ever saw. And I'd always been deep and studying things for a very very long time and the esoteric in your cults, but he came across a video where he gave
a lecture on Saturn worship and it just blew my mind. In fact, the first astro theology topic that I ever heard from him was when he's talking about how the disciples are asking Jesus where they're going to have the passover, and he says, go into town and you see a man with a water picture, follow him to his house. Now, each zodiac sign is called the house, and the man with the water picture is Aquarius. But he also made this distinction where he talked about how carrying water was not a male
job, it was a female job. It was very gendered and a man wouldn't be caught dead with that. And between that and the way he breaks down words, and every time I catch a video that I've never seen I learned something new my work. I have an eight book series out where I teach astro theology through it's like a mix between nineteen eighty four meets Da Vinci Code, because that's how you have to bring it to the masses. I see a lot of astro theologists out there that I mean, he was so
attacked constantly for everyone. But I don't have patience for that, Like I just put my stuff out there just brutally. It's just a different generation. He really paved the way. The most mind blowing thing out of everything is that he would go into libraries and he would piece this piece meal my books. You know, there was no Internet when he started doing this in fifty nine, and just to hear him, I'm gonna give you the first half
of my presentation tonight. I have a very interesting way of teaching astro theology. I'm very I could take a person off the street that's never seen it, and by the end of the first hour they will get a feel of it. Whereas for Jordan, you already have to have some sort of esoteric or culture. You have to kind of be in that community a little bit to kind of pick up what he's putting down, because it's not going to make sense if you're brand new to Jordan's work, which is where my work
is a little bit different. But he my influence in my first book. He's the first name that I credited in my dedication page, and he's just My life is. My life is what it is now because of him, Right, And as you said, look, it's more than half a century that he put out this work. And you know, again he invented this stuff. I mean, why do people in America know who David Ike is? No matter what you think of David Ike, Well, frankly, Jordan
brought him here. You know, why is it that people know about a lot of this stuff? The Zeitgeist movies which created quite a stir in the early part of this century, right, you know the videos that were being given out, the Venus Project, all that stuff. Guess where the basis of it is in Jordan's work. And I even replayed some stuff from the nineteen eighties on my show during his tribute and all that to give people a sense of it. But the truth is, like you said, you can't
even begin to appreciate how it is he put those things together. I mean he was friends with Manly p. Hall. That's a whole other story. And if you do about that library, there's a lot to it. But again I like the fact that see Jordan did at one point have a way of reaching the masses in a pedestrian way, the way that you do. But what happened is the culture changed. If you were talking about the nineteen eighties. Okay, because here's the thing, Michael, you're a little younger
I think than me. I think, So how what is your age of returning forty this year? Yeah? See, okay, I know I'm a baby in this sield. I'm a baby in this sield, right, I mean, but I'm fifty one, right, so I'm sort of like your your older brother's generation, right, um, which which is cool. But see Jordan in nineteen eighties when he didn't have a tremendous audience, but he
had the underground flair. It was pedestrian. So here's the thing. As things evolved, Jordan didn't quite evolve the same way as far as being able to relate to people. If you if you were into it and you started to get some of the basics, like you said, if you have the primers. You were all set. But as things changed and the primers, the cultural primers sort of changed, it disconnected him a bit. It still it didn't matter to me. It resonated perfectly with me because I was born
in the seventies, so made perfect sense. I remember when you had to go to a library to research things, you know, but indeed that is true. I took a look at the entire presentation that you were doing, and I'm gonna again, I'm shutting up quick, but I wanted to make sure people understood this that really what it is. Your adaptation is a little more modern. And don't be surprised though eventually, and I want you to tell people where they can get your book series and all that too. Don't
forget. But the thing is, it's a little more modern, and it makes sense that you, generationally, being half Jordan's age, would have a more modern roach, which is why he liked the conversations back and forth with him and I. People used to write to me get angrily and say,
you interrupt Jordan too much. Jordan insisted that I interrupt him to ask him the questions to link it back and make it more relatable to people younger than himself, because he recognized that he recognized that things were changing, and indeed that was one of the key elements that he appreciated about what you were doing. And I got this from a reliable source that this was the step forward, this was the better way to go to make it more relatable. It's
gonna sound very familiar, folks. I'm just telling you now, it's going to sound very familiar. And if you're familiar with Jordan's work on this subject, or even if you caught those you're on my website, you caught the first three episodes that we did of astro theology, it's gonna make perfect sense where we're at here, except I took six hours to do something with Jordan that Mike is about ready to tackle in an hour here. So with that,
I'm going to shut up and turn it back over to you. But again, tell people where they can go to get your stuff, because I will. I have so I have a web website. I have a website.
It's debunk me dot com. And you go to debunk me dot com and all my books are laid out there the order that you have to read them in or there, all my astro Theology work um from Sumerian tablets to the Babylonians to the Egyptians, to the Jews or the Christians, the Muslims, the Book of Mormon, the Apocrypha of the Gnostic Text, the Cold and Bible. All of these are rooted in astro theology, and I show that in in my website. There's also a section on it at the bottom
where you can send me an email. I have merchandise too, not to basically show that, but my book series is basically teaches astro theology in a way that is relatable to the masses. One of the things I really appreciated was Jordan's nonfiction books that he published. I have all of them, and it was no nonsense. There's there's barely any pictures, and it's just line after line of information. Whereas I teach by fiction, I teach through nineteen
eighty four meets Da Vinci Code. That's my book series. It's called Into the rabbit Hole series, and there's eight books so far. I even have a kid's astro theology book called as for Aries. That's on the website too. It's debunkly dot com. It has a link to my YouTube which breaks down information as well too. That's where it's all that I'm gonna have to get a copy of that children's book from you, that's for sure, because I think that's that's probably the best one to start with for a lot of
people, and us for sixty eleven year olds. And yes, yeah, I have an eight year old, so perfect. Actually he'll be a nine soon according to how A count birthdays, right, so you know, by all means, I'm gonna have to get a signed copy of that from you at some point. Sure. Absolutely, Let's start with a definition here. People are going, okay, yeah, we love Jordan. We love the fact that he broke down symbols. He talked about government and all that.
Look, government's not necessary in this discussion tonight, but symbolism, how it works. He would point to things, he would show you, look, the words have meaning, but they have been co opted and adopted and adapted over the years. He did that. How would you define astro theology somebody who tunes in and goes, look, what the hell are they talking about? Astro theology? The best, in the most simple way that you could define it is you break it down astro so the stars theology, the theology
of them. So it's basically the zodiac, and I use the zodiac, and I use the Ptolemy's list from one fifty a d of the forty eight constellation. I use those two things because that was around the time of the
Bible was written. For what they knew about. There's keywords in each zodiac sign, which I'm going to break down for you, and it's a cipher and based on the words that apply to the sign, you find these keywords in it, and then you go chapter by chapter throughout whatever ancient holy text you want, you highlight all of them, and then what you do is you put it on a spreadsheet and you'll realize this one's talking about Gemini,
this one's talking about Taurus, this one's talking about Aries. Holy crap, it just made three signs in a row. You know. They talk about opposing signs, they talk about connecting signs. They always show patterns. It basically maps out the heavens. It's star poetry. That's what it is. That's how you glorify God in the ancient times through the creation. You write poetry about it, and it was encoded and embedded and that's what my work
basically shows, right, So astrology meets theology. That's a guarantee. And here's the thing. I've talked about it many times, and obviously with Jordan many times, where we would say, look the Bible itself, you know, the pedestrian thing, the Bible, Okay, the book. Look, that is not a historical document, but it is the truth. How is it the truth? It's what you have to know how to read it.
And that was a line that him and I repeated back and forth in different ways over the years in public, because it was the most accurate way to put it. Well, I'm not even more accurate, to be honest with you, because a quote that I use that I'm probably going to read to you. It's from a guy named John Dominic Croissan, and he says, it's not that the ancients tould literal stories and we're now smart enough to take them symbolically. It's that they told them symbolically and we are now dumb enough
to take them literally. That's perfect, actually, yeah, okay, So, and you also have some visual things that you're going to present, which I might try to describe as we go forward. So now that I've asked you to define it, and we've given a bit of backstory and everything else. So let's let's get into it. Let's go, let's go forward, all right, So let me know when you can see this. I've got it, okay, So employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings
so that you shall come easily by what others have labored hard for. And that is a tribocs. Yes. So between between Jordan and mine, you're sixty years worth of knowledge on a particular subject that we can condense so that you can get the GISTs and understand it. What I do is basically this
is an intro to astro theology. So this is going to teach you astro theology, and it's not going to go too too deep into it, but it's going to bring a person off the You yank someone off the street, you put them in front of this PowerPoint, you listen to this, and it's money. So that was Socrates. Now. The Bible, as you guys can see, is made up of holy sciences, metaphysics, astrological which I teach and Jordan taught, anatomical, alchemical, spiritual, esoteric, and
mythology. It's also a gamatria, numerology, and an ethnology book. There's ten Holy sciences in the Bible. Each of them you need to study as long as Jordan or I have. There is more to know in the Bible than you can learn in an entire lifetime. And it's to humble you. That's what it is. You cannot learn all this information in a lifetime. I am still learning things from the astrology the Bible. It's important to know. It's not literal, it's not history, it's not reality, and it's
not even original, although it is the most amazing book ever written. Now, this is the zodiac, okay, and cancer is at the top and Capricorn's at the bottom. This is how the wheel should look. So let me ask that quickly, all right, because he showed me a typical zodiac wheel. Again for those of you that are hearing just the audio. Now, I'm accustomed to again, I'm an Ariae, right, I'm accustomed to arias being at the top because it's the first sign of the zodiac. They
say, right, why do we have cancer at the top? Sorry, go ahead, why do we have cancer at the top of this wheel? So cancer is at the top because at the very top of the summer solstice so right there at the very bottom you have the winter solstice. This is actually off by a few degrees. I have to twist it a little bit, but basically the Gemini cancer line that should be the very top. That's the summer solstice. That's when the sun's at its height. That's the longest
stay, shortest night of the air. At the bottom of the wheel is Sagittarius Capricorn dividing line right, which is the shortest day of the year and the longest day of the year. Our shortest day of the year and the
longest night of the year. So that's why it's done this way, because what you do is you're the sun and you're walking to the left a degree a day as you walk alongside the hero's journey, as Joseph Campbell talks about it, and you make your way to the summer solstice, and then you continue your way back down to the winter solstice, and then you repeat the pattern. Now, I just want to stretch to the listener that there is
a good reason why Mica is reordering this. And again another guest I have often we call the calendar that we all use the Pope's work schedule for a reason it is not the liberal astrological calendar. It's not a legitimate calendar.
This one that we have all lived by by convention. What you're looking at, if you're seeing the video of this is a legitimate calendar, and it's based on the seasons and actually a practical use I've taken many years, probably about as many as you've been alive, like spaking pagan you know, pagan methodologies. So yeah, there was a common use for exactly this, and it had to do with survival, believe it or not, because if you
didn't understand it does. So when I say the Bible is astro theology, if I wouldn't break that down even further, what I could say is the Bible is an encoded farmer's almanac astro theologically speaking, that's the best way to describe it. It's an inco voted farmers almanac. There you go. I'm sorry, I'm adding into your presentation. Please can go, No, no,
please, it's fun. So astro theology or astrology, I should say, goes back to something called the last Scout caves which are in France, which are in Lascou, France. Is why they called the Lascou cave. There's seventeen thousand to forty thousand years ago. Here you see two articles the last Scout Cave paintings seventeen thousand years and then on the right you said world's oldest cave paintings show humans understood complex astronomy forty thousand years ago. What are
the last Scout caves? Well, some teenagers went into one of them, and when they went into one of them, they went to the back of the cave. They went all the way in, and when they went to the back, they saw this. Now you see the For people who aren't looking, these are etchings onto the wall. On the top left is the bull, on the right is the many faces of the lion. On the
bottom is the horse. And you know, before you go any further, you mentioned the date on these caves, and you made an interesting point in a presentation. I'd like you to make it now about the dating on this because you know many people will begin to argue in the moment you tell them that something was discovered in an archaeological way, oh well they dated at this. Well, they've been told in a lot of places that carbon dating is
nonsense and this and that. Would you mind addressing that before you go in together. Okay, So to be fair, that's a lot of Christians would say that, they say carbon dating is inaccurate, and to their credit, they're right. They're actually right. Carbon dating is inaccurate. However, it's not the complete truth. See carbon dating, carbon fourteen dating is actually accurate up to fifty thousand years, but when you start to get into the hundreds
of thousands or the millions, it's nonsense. It doesn't break down like that. There's other forms of uranium dating, there's other carbon datings. They have all this stuff out there. That's fine. But they used carbon fourteen dating on this and it came out to seventeen thousand years, which is within fifty thousand, right. But they found what they found was and they found that these bulls this is Taurus, the line is Leo, and the bottom is
the horse is Sagittarius. It's just missing the guy with the bow and the arrow on it. So what they realized was that this is astrological. So what they did was they ought in a computer and they brought it in an astronomer. And what the astronomer did with the computer, because the technology was there, was he rewound the sky back seventeen thousand years to see what the
stars look like, and they printed it out. And when they printed it out and superimposed it on the cave paintings on the wall, all the constellations lined up. So they knew this seventeen thousand years ago, they had the handle on the zodiac. Now, there are questions that you can ask in the Bible. How Jesus was able to heal the blind, how he walked on water, how he turned water into wine, why he had twelve disciples, Why he was betrayed with a kiss by Judas, why he was dead
for three days? Why is his birthday in December twenty fifth. I will get into all of this, but this is all astrology. That's what it is now. Genesis one fourteen says, let lights appear in the sky to separate the day from the night. Let them be signs to mark the seasons, days and years, And that's basically what this is. Now. Each zodiac is called each zodiac sign is called a house right, or an era, or an eon, or a sign. There are many words for it.
So what I'm gonna do now, right is I'm going to teach you guys right age, Yes, different words for it. Absolutely. Now I'm going to teach you the twelve signs in detail, and I'm going to give you keywords that are going to make complete sense with the signs, and that will be the cipher. And then we're going to apply those words to biblical passages and I'm going to show you the patterns it makes in the heavens. So the first sign I talk about is Aquarius, which is the man with
the water picture. Now, technically, as you mentioned, Aris begins the year, but I start with Aquarius because that's kind of the beginning of our year, which is stupid, because our year starts in the wind, which has never been the case before. The year always started in areas at the beginning of spring when things came back to life, or the Egyptians during Virgo. That's why I pointed out That's why I pointed out the misnomer of the
currently used calendar at the beginning. Sorry, go ahead, that's fine, okay. So Aquarius is the man pouring the water out of the water picture like you see in this picture. It goes back to the story of Zeus and the young Boy. So the story goes like this, Zeus saw a young boy on earth, a fourteen year old blonde boy on Earth, and what he did was he wanted him in heaven, so he bargained with the
boy's father. The father didn't want him to go, but eventually, after giving him a bunch of things material things, the boy was allowed to go to heaven. Zeus takes the boy up to heaven. While in heaven, the boy is serving the gods out of this water picture, a drink called ambrosia, which was the nectar of the gods. He's doing this day in and day out. Eventually he gets fed up with it, and what he does is he goes to the side of heaven and he pours it out just
like in this picture, and it causes a great flood on Earth. That's where the Greeks get their flood story from. Remember everyone has a flood story. Zeus, who is very He's an angry god. He's a very temperamental god. He was going to punish him, but he had a rare moment of self reflection where I guess he realized what he had done, and instead of punishing him, he immortalizes him as a constellation Aquarius. So that's Aquarius. So there's keywords son of man or man, because Aquarius is a sign
of the man, whereas very goes the sign of the woman. Baptism because this is how you baptize someone literally like this water picture, because this is a water picture, fountain, because a lot of the Greeks had fountains that were built like this, stream, river, pond, lake, ocean, sea, water bodies. Why there's water in the picture. Now, Aquarius is an air sign. It's not actually a mutable water sign. However, because there's water in this picture, they allow it to depict water and they've
used it in the Bible. Whereas Pisces here is the sign of the two fish in the water. Pisces is actually a mutable sign. It is a water sign. So the same water example, stream, river, palm blakes, the ocean happened with Pisces. Now, whether they're talking about water with Aquarius or water with Pisces depends on the patterns that these codes are going to show, because they will always show patterns. Right, used quickly here, just quickly before you move on to Aries, which is the next picture.
You have here you have the image of the ram and all this I want to get into that but before you move on, you know, the idea of water and the fact that all things are born of water. You're not born of water. He's talking about the ship, the birth, the rut of your mother's water. Everything. Yep, you know, the water breaks and you come through the birth canal. And all of these things are aquatic terms, whether they're medical or they're just descriptive, you know, just saying
again that in plain sight the language is there. So just a point I wanted to make, and also give you a chance to take a drink and a breath too. Go ahead, Sorry, it's okay. So Aries is the ram and in arias. You have March twenty first, which is the spring equinox. It's a twelve hour day, it's a twelve hour night. There's also three different kinds of passovers that take place during eighty the aries.
The first one is the astro theological, which is the oldest. In March twenty first is the day that the sun physically passes over the equator and starts to make its way back up to its height in the summer solstice. In Judaism, the pass over is when the angel of Death passes over the houses and anyone that doesn't have again the lamb or the ram. The lamb is a baby ram. The lamb's blood smeared on the doorpost. Because the Jews
are the people of Aries, their first one sons get killed. In Christianity, this whole thing gets changed and it becomes the resurrection of God's son. So there's keywords ram, lamb, shepherd, or ram's horn that's aries. Taurus is the bull. When you look at the sky and you see Tauris during the season where it's supposed to be, you know that you need to put the plow on the bowl so that you can plant the seeds so you
can harvest in virgo and leave or remember this is a farmer's almanac. So whenever you're talking about bull ox calf or cow cow being the female bowl, by the way, you're talking about Tauris, and I mention it's also valid dimension that you see the transition between aries and I mean, you correct me if I'm wrong, but the transition between aries the Ram into towards the bull, well, you can see that in many of the Old Testament stories because
what happens the man who is represented by the Ram, who has the Ram's horn is then being they're trying to replace his way of instructing the people. What do they come out with the story of the Golden Calf. Right, so they're bringing out the golden calf, they're bringing out the bull, trying to say it's no longer time for aries, It's now time for tourists. They're not Ari's reverse as reverse, because it's the presession. Moses goes Moses
goes up there. So in theory, are right, I'm going through these signs as if you were talking about that Aquarius Pisces right, right, if you're talking about the ages, it's the procession. It goes backwards. So what it is is they're worshiping the golden calf. The gold is the sun, the calf is the bull. They were worshiping the wrong time period, Moses bringing down the law of Aries. So you had it backwards, but
I know what you were talking about. Yeah, well I put it backwards on purpose so that you would go and explain the procession works the other way. Poor wall break there. Uh yeah, I've set things up for a reason like that. But go ahead. A Gemini. Gemini, which we're in now, is the Twins. It's the story of Castor and polocks Troy, whose sister was Helen of Troy. It's the story of Achilles. This is another Greek story. So whenever you hear twins or brothers, you're talking
about Gemini. Cancer is the crab, and the crab is the sideways moving creature. It shuffles side to side. So just as the sun rises a degree, so what the sun does is starting on December twenty fifth, it's going to rise a degree on its axis. On December twenty sixth, another degree, on the twenty seventh, another degree, every day another degree. When it hits June twenty first, it's going to not rise a degree or lower a degree, because June twenty one is the height that's the summer solstice.
What it then is it walks sideways like the crab and stays at that exact hype for three days, where then on June twenty fifth it's going to drop a degree, and then the next day another degree, and then every single day another degree un till it hits December twenty first, which is the
winter solstice. The ancients would look out into the sky, they would say God's son was dead because the sun wouldn't crack the horizon on that short, short day, and then what it does is it walks sideways for three days
again, So suddenly God's son was dead for three days. Where on December twenty fifth, or the birth of all these gods Tamus, Boris, Osiris, all of them, they're all born on December twenty fifth, And that would be essentially because no matter what, the sun begins to rise again, it's born then in that fatal position up again in the sky and in the other direction, as you said, it descends all the way until it finally falls to its lowest point. So this is what the actual procession in the
sky is. Now. It's fascinating because I've heard people argue about when you know when the Christ figure is actually born and all that. Yeah, they say that right, they'll say, they'll say the Feast of the Tabernacles, they'll say September eleventh, they'll say during the pass Over, they'll say during Arias. It doesn't matter. The Bible, if you read it literally, is a story that is based on a very real science. This is the
science behind it. So I don't really give a shit when they say Jesus was born, It doesn't matter because he's supposed to be born on December twenty fifth, like all the other gods, because that's the birth of the Sun. It doesn't really you can argue, you can argue what day he was
physically born. It doesn't matter. It's a story and science story. Yes, And the fun part is, I know at some point, I hope we get far enough in here, you're going to explain the whole Why does Jesus look like Ted Nugent, as Robin Williams used to say, right, but but please continue. That's that's a little sneak, a little sneak spoiler. There, go ahead. But the crab moving laterally, all these things they have physical attributes that apply to the astrological symbol as well, that have
a meaning. Right, yes, So the crab in the ancient Egyptian times was known as the scarab, the scarab, the beetle. That's why I Saint Augustine called Jesus the good beetle. By the way, so what if you're talking about crab or beetle that's cancer. Then Leo is the king, He's the lion, He's the king of the jungle, the king of the savana, or the king of the desert. Whatever you want to call it. The ruling planet of Leo is actually the Sun. So whenever you're talking
about lion, lioness or cub, you're talking about Leo. Now, Virgo is the woman holding the wheat stock. So I remember before when I said that you plant and Taurus, Well, the virgins would go out during Virgo and cultivate the wheat in order to make the bread for the year. So whenever you hear virgin woman, wheat, green seed, barley, corn, these are all things that are harvested during Virgo. They talk about the bread and the beer. Right, the barley is the beer, the wheat is
the bread. Liber is the justice, it's the scales, it's the balance, it's the just one. The reason it's the justice is because it judges God's son as it passes over the fall equinox and begins it's descent into winter, into cold, into death. Remember, on the other equinox, it's being heralded, it's being elevated back to its height, to its glory. Here it's being punished because it's being judged and it's being sentenced to death.
The Jews always celebrate their New year on the fall equinox. Now eight days after the Jewish New Year, they have a holiday called Yamakipoor, which is the Day of Judgment. Of course, the day of judgment happens in Libra. The judge what happens during young people are will you fast all day? You don't eat or drink, and what you end up doing is you pray in temple all day that God will keep you in the book of life for another year. So Libra's also a wine season, so when you plant the
grapes and tourists you press the wine. Here, Libra's also olive oil season. That's when you press the olives. So all justice, judgment, law, judge justice, the just one, divorced, marriage court, lawley things, that's Libra, wine, vineyard, wine, press, grapes, that's Libra. Olive oil and olive oil, that's Libra. And incidentally, in the New Testament, when the three wise men which represent Orion's belt bring gifts, what do they bring? They bring Frank and sense and Murr. Well,
frankincense and Murr are both olive plants. So that takes place during Libra. When Scorpio is the scorpion and he is the betrayer. When a scorpion bites you, or say it leaves an imprint in your skin that looks like a pair of lips. You can google this. They have pictures everywhere. It's why the mafia has the kiss of death. It's why Jesus was betrayed by Judas with a kiss. Each one of the zodiac signs corresponds with a
disciple. There's twelve disciples, twelve zodiac signs. So the sun is judged in Libra, and it's betrayed in Scorpio. Finally in Sagittarius. This is where the bow and the arrow shoot the sun and reflect for the punishment on the sun. Why because the last day of Sagittarius, the sun dies December twenty feet. The sun's at its lowest point. It cannot rise any lower. It's dead. And I went over the three days that it walks sideways.
God's dead for three sons, dead for three days. So whenever you hear a horse, bow and arrow, spear or horseman, you're talking about Sagittarius. And then finally of Capricorn, who's the goat because he looks to climb the mountain. Now, if you look at the zodiac wheel on the right you'll see capricorns at the very bottom. So metaphor work. We think about it like this. The sun starts at the very bottom of a Sagittarius
capricorn. The band over dates it walks the degree alongside it starts to climb up the great Mountain all the way to the top in Cancer. The reason it's a goat is because the goats climb the mountain better than any other animal out there. That's why it's a goat. So whenever you hear goat or kid, you're talking about Capricorn. So what I've done is I've given you keywords for all of them. Now, I don't expect you to memorize them
yet. I don't expect you to remember them, but I will, since I already brought them up to you, bring them up to you again as we look through patterns. So you're asking about Jesus, why it looks like Ted Nugent right right. There's names for Jesus in church that are all astrologically based that they don't want you to know about. Remember, Jesus is the Sun when the sun is in Capricorn, the goat, his name is the scapegoat of Israel. When the sun is in the Man sign an Aquarius,
he is called the son of Man. When the sun is in Pisces, the two fish. He is the fisherman of men, and it's also why he feeds the masses with two fish. When the sun is in Aries, the ram he is called the Lamb of God or the good Shepherd. When the sun is in Cancer, the scarab, the crab he is saying. Augustine called Jesus the good beetle. When the sun is in Leo, he is the lion of Judah, the lady holding the stalk of wheat. Virgo. He is born of a virgin, and he is called the Bread of
life. Liber's the scales of justice. He is known as the justorm. Then he's betrayed in Scorpio, he dies in Sagittarius, and it's also why he's worshiped on the Sunday. Now, if you look at this picture of Jesus on the left, this is a stereotypical picture that I pulled off the Internet. This you're going to notice a bunch of things. Now. The sun is always behind Jesus because he represents the sun. Every single picture you
find on the Internet of Jesus, the sun is behind his head. They're telling you this, the two fingers up like this, what I'm doing. This is the ancient comedic peace sign. This is the original peace sign. See what you're seeing here that I'm doing right now? This John Lennon Viva Victory, right that's a Churchill war sign. That's a that's a that's a
war sign right now for audio listeners, for audio listeners. Just to get this straight, Okay, the two fingers together that you often see, which I've often described as a sign of ascension where you see the hand out, not the buddy Christ with the thumb up. Okay, I love that picture though, just I love that. It's comedic if you've ever seen that.
But you often see in representations, the most famous representations of the Christ figure the one hand with the two fingers pointing up, but they're together, the typical peace sign that we're accustomed to seeing. The Uh. You were just about to finally explain what that model and peace symbol really is and you started to and I cut you off, So go ahead. I think Winston Churchhill's v for victory, it's a war sign. The fingers are separate, the
fingers together, So whenever you see things do this. You'll see Buddha doing this, You'll see Jesus doing this. You'll see even Bafomett doing this. Whenever these things are showing you this symbol, they're showing you they're peaceful. And now it's crazy, but it's true. Now the white Jesus picture, his face is actually a guy named Caesar Borgia, who is the bastard son of Pope Alexander the Six now Rodrigo Borgia of the Borgia Illuminati family, bought
his way to the papacy in the Middle Ages. And what happened was about eighty years before his coronation, the printing press had come out, so he had decided his son was going to be the face of Jesus. Now they mass produced his face, and that's the face that you see, the white face with the beard. That is why it's because it's Caesar Borgia. Caesar Borgia was the son of a bitch. He slept with his sister and killed
his brother. Okay, this is a very hamlet. Now. The crown of thorns wrapped around the heart on the outside, and the heart is always on the outside represents the rays of the sun. The heart outside the body represents the Royal field or the Taurus field. So if you look at this, look for these are just random pictures of Jesus, the sun, the sun, the heart, the two fingers. You'll see all of that in every single picture. In the second picture right there, sometimes they put a
knight's templar cross in the sun. It's the same thing, well, right, because the knights templar a cross, sorry, is based on a very simple astrological symbol as well. Where you have the cross right anyway, maybe you'll explain that too. But hold on a sect these typical pictures of price. Somebody might say, well, all right, Borgia was the initial printing press Jesus. How does it keep happening? How does it keep happening?
Very simple explanation. Artists renderings after that were guided by the mass pictures, So paintings came this way. Some of your pictures here, ABC's got four of them laid out. If you're not seeing it. One of them is very modern, is clearly rendered with modern software and things like that. It's
a digital picture. Some of these are digital renderings of earlier artworks, but either way, they are all guided by the initial image which was on mass distributed during that time with the printing press, so all of that is guided by itself. Sorry. The other thing that you'll notice too in these pictures is in three of these pictures you'll see holes in his hands. And that's not how crucifixion worked. If I were to crucify somebody and put a nail
through their hands, they would tear through it and fall over. You would crucified through the risks. So that was just a complete miss translation. But look at baby Jesus too. You'll see the sun's behind his head in every single picture. You'll see Polaris, the north star in every picture too. Now, this is the human to roidal field. This is an electromagnetic field
of the heart. It goes around your body six feet. That is why the elites during the pandemic tried to keep you six feet apart and so that you couldn't interact with anyone. Chuck, if someone comes up behind you, you know they're there. You're not a psychic. They broke it to roidal field. They broke your electro magnetism. Now I brought up this point.
I just I just want to know something. I brought up this point quite a bit during that time when when this was being advised, and people were talking about staying six feet apart, and they started putting lines on the floors the grocery stores and all this. And I explained that this comes from not just one place of interest, that this is a concept where within six feet that is a literal physical connection. Where do you get the information that this
is the troidal field. I mean, I'm just curious where you came up with it, because you could have come up with it from about twenty different disciplines, some spiritual, some scientific, some pseudoscientific. We have words for it. Some people call it an aura. You could find this anywhere. Yeah, this is how it looks right there. It looks like an apple
and you're the core. That's what it looks like. It goes around you six seeds and lectromagnetic ingredient that your heart produces, right, and that's a six foot radius from where your heart is. So basically, you take a six foot line, extend it outward, and sweep it all the way around you. That is the field. This is why they wanted us more than six feet apart at that time, for what purpose, Michael, Because they wanted to isolate you. They wanted you to fear. They wanted you to
they wanted to live off your loose They wanted to fear. They wanted you to fear. They wanted you to feel alone. There's a million reasons why they did that. Perfect, Thank you. Go ahead. Now, this is what it looks like when you're interacting with someone when your toroidal fields are meeting, and it forms of estica pisces in the middle. Now on the bottom, this right here is Jesus. The guy on the right is Caesar Borgia. They're not spitting images, but you see where he got his face
from. This is where it comes from. Now it's important to know that before the shot of turn was discovered in five almost all paintings and drawings of Jesus were shown as a young, beardless man. So it has changed over time. So now I'm going to start going into the decodings with the keywords. So have you heard of the phrase pride comes before the fall? Of
course? Can you explain it to everyone? Well? I could, but I think I'm gonna let you do it because to me, it's just always been one of these common phrases, right, And it's supposed to have biblical roots, but hardly anybody knows where it really comes from if you ask them. But it's common usage, and it has been around well pretty much since I ever heard phrases of that sort. So go ahead, you explain it,
please. So pride cometh before the Fall is meant to say that if you are boastful, are full of ego, if you are not careful in your temperament, you will fall. That's what it means. However, astro theologically, do you know what a group of lions is called? Yeah, that's a pride. Exactly. A group of lions is called a pride. Pride is the lion. Lion is Leo. Leo is in July and August. That comes before the fall, comes right before the fall. But this
is a celestial calendar. Now, if I go to Micah five two, my name's sake, But you, Bethlehem efforts, though though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come from me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from old from ancient times. When you're talking the Bible with me, it's important that you know how to read and understand Hebrew, which I do. You need to understand the original language, because Bethlehem is not a city. I mean, it is a
city, but it's not what they're talking about. Bethlehem is a combination of two Hebrew words, that which means house and lethem, which means bread. So the house of bread, the house of bread is virgo, the lady with the wheat stock each zodiac and is called the house. So what he's really saying is the Savior will come from a virgin. That's how you read this. That's how you're supposed to read this. And crappiest astrology astrologer possible,
and there are crappiestrologers. I don't mean to bring them into the conversation, but even they recognize this. You know where you have to have different houses, and you know they should have some idea what they mean, but your experience may vary. But even the worst sort of you know, I'm going to read your star map idiot even understands this. So I mean, this is very pedestrian. You should be able to keep up on this.
And I love the fact that there is a modern Bethlehem still, but it does literally mean the house of bread, and I always, I always found that fascinating when I when I learned that, and then started to look at the Hebrew a bit more, because a whole lot of meanings in the original writing are revealed if you just understand what it initially said, and you don't go with just the modern English translation. So about go ahead, make you
start. So now I'm gonna read you Deuteronomy thirty two, So bear with me just a suck. He gave them honey from the cliffs and olive oil from the rocky ground. He gave his people butter from the herd and milk from the flock. He gave them lambs and girls. They're the best rams from Bashan and the finest week. They drank the best wine made from the juice of red grapes. But Joshrun became fat and kicked like a bolt. So right off the bat, you should be able to pick out a bunch
of signs. But let's go into it. He gave them honey from the cliffs. In the sign cancer right the crab the scarab. There's a group of stars. It's an asterism. It's a small, closely knit group of stars called the beehive clusters. So that's where the honey comes from olive oil. That's Libra, Olives or Libra. He gaves people butter from the herd
and milk from the flock. Well, the milk comes from the Milky Way galaxy, whose centers in Sagittarius. So what this is basically telling you is that from Cancer the summer solstice to Sagittarius the winter solstice, the right hemisphere of the zodiac is your land of milk and honey. It's not a place on earth, it's in heavens. He gave them lambs that's Aries, and goats that's Capricorn. They had the best rams that's a As from Bashan,
and the finest wheat lady with the wheat stock Virgo. They drank the best wine that's Libra, made from the juice of red grapes. But Jeshun became fat and kicked like a bolt. That's Taurus. There are ten signs in this one passage. Right, This is a very simple cipher that you can apply with yourself to any biblical passage. Now I'm going to show you how
to use the zodiac wheel as we decode things further. Okay, so Mount of Olives, Jesus led his disciples to the Mount of Olives after his last passover, so he could teach them a few more things pray than wait for Judas to betray him. While walking to the Mount of Olive, he gave the parable of the true vine. So let's break this down. Passover takes place in Aries. So look at the zodiac wheel. Aris is all the way on the left, where right after he walks the amount of olives.
Well, I told you olives are Libra. That's when they're harvested. How you get from Aries to Libra. They're opposing signs. You cross the zodiac. Now you're in Libra. They're waiting for Judas to betray him. Who's the betrayer That Scorpio the scorpion. Remember, so you go from Aries to Libra and then the betrayer is Scorpio. So you go from Aries to Libra. Those are opposing signs, Libra to Scorpio. That's the next sign over.
So you're making two patterns so far, but you're not there because they're waiting for him to betray While in Libra he gave the parable of the true vine. Well, that has to do with the grapes and the wine, which is Libra. And that's how you start using the zodiac to decode things.
Not only that, but you will always find that when you start breaking down with this cipher and you break down astrological passages, you'll find that ninety nine percent of the time they'll make opposing connections or they'll make neighboring connections. Now, and this is Genesis one seven. And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were above which were under the fermament, from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so I didn't mention this to
you before. Where are we are? Thirty four? Right now? Okay, let me go back to the zodiac up here. Now, the firmament. They will have you believe, like in Psalm nineteen one, right, they will have you believe that the fermament is a dome over a flat earth. It's not. It's a mistranslation. People don't know what they're talking about. The firmament is actually if you look at the zodiac wheel, it's the dividing lines between signs. That's the firmament. That's what they're talking about.
Now, these lines don't actually exist, but what they actually represent is some people call them cusps. Some people call them handover days. There's different wards to differentiate. It's a three day period in one sign and then a three day period in the next sign where their energies blind. It's a handover date. So that's what the fermament is. So let me show you how this works. And God made the fermament divided the waters which were under the fermament
from the waters which were above the firmament. The waters are aquarious in Pisces. The waters under the firmament would be Pisces. The water above the fermament would be aquarious. This is the fermament that divides the two waters. People think that there's water in the heaven. It's not. That's not what it is. It's not a flat dome over a flat earth or a dome over
a flat earth. This is what it is. This is how This is what they're talking about now in Revelation for seven and I'm jumping from book to book to show you that it's in every single book. So the first living creature was like an It was like a line, The second was like an ox, the third head a face like a man. The fourth was like a flying eagle. The first living creature was like a lion, that's Leo. The second was like an ox, that's Taurus. The third had a
face like a man, that's Aquarius. The fourth was like a flying eagle. Now I have to explain the eagle part to you. In astrology, the scorpio scorpion is the belly crawling creature. It's the lowest form of life on Earth. It's on its belly. It's a punishment. The same thing happened in Genesis with the servant after the deception with the apple, God took away his legs. That was the first thing he did, so he had to crawl on this belly. It's a punishment. However, it's known as
the ascendant. But the evolved form of the scorpion is the eagle, which is the highest flying form of life on Earth. So the eagle becomes Scorpio. So when you understand that, you understand that Leo, Taurus, Aquarius, and Scorpio are the four fixed signs of the zodiac. You have three different types of signs. You have four seasons and your three signs in each. That makes twelve. What are the three signs? Well, the first
sign in this season is known as the cardinals sign. That's why the cardinals at church. Each sign can be broken down into three ten day segments called deacons. That's why you have deacons and cardinals in church. Because it's all astrology. The deacons would probably lend itself to the fact that there's Decca and that's ten. So there you go. Yeah, there are ten days and
ye three time to day segments. Yep. Now, the second sign is the fixed sign, and it's called the fix sign because it's fixed in the season. Leo's in the middle of summer, tours spring, Aquarius winter, and Scorpio or the eagle fall. The third sign is the mutable sign. It's the water sign that takes you out out of the season. Let's leave this one more time. The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, The third had a face like a man.
The fourth was like a flying eagle. Is there really a fourheaded creature that's going to be in the sky during the end of the days or if you notice Leo the lion and Aquarius the man are opposing signs, and Taurus and Scorpio are opposing signs, So is there a four headed creature in the sky, or is it just making this pattern on the zodiac. It pears to me as though we're just making the pattern. We're laying out the wheel is what we're doing, and giving you an orientation for it so that you can
figure it out. Now. An interesting thing to note here is that the eagle is also constantly used by those that claim to be of divine origin. Right, so the higher form of the scorpion is always the eagle. And whether it's Alexander the Great, or it's the Nazis, or it's America, whatever it is the high symbol. Is it not what you actually what I forgot to mention. Actually that's very important too, is that the scorpion evolves into the ego as the ascendant, but the eagle evolves one more time.
It becomes the phoenix. And what is the story of the The phoenix is a flaming ball of life like the sun that metaphorically dies and is reborn from its ashes, just like the sun does through its cycle. You know, the eagle, the eagle on the money for the United States, it's actually
a phoenix. It's not an eagle. Oh, there you go, because they would obviously go to the highest of signs when they can, But in the meantime, the more recognizable symbol for a lot of people to signify that something is annointed on a high level is the eagle, quite often, which is why it's very common as well. Right, yeah, okay, now ezekiel ten fourteen, They they say the same thing. Each of the chair of them had four faces. One faces out of a chairb the second the
face of a human being, the third the face of a lie. The fourth the face is an eagle. How about revelation twelve? Let's do revelation again, because people take this sign as being very serious. A great sign appeared in heaven. A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven, an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns
and seven crowns on its heads. It's tailsopt a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to earth. A woman clothes that the sun is a metaphor. It just means the sun is in virgo. It's just a metaphor. If the sun is in Virgo, the moon will be at her feet. So to understand this, you have to understand the skyclock. There's twelve zodiac signs. There's a twenty four hour a day period, so
each though, the sun spends two hours a day in each sign. Now, if you do the math from the zodiac wheel, you'll find that Virgo is between four and six pm. That's when the sun is still out. So if the sun is still out, then the moon is at her feet. It's a metaphor, whereas if the moon is up, the sun is at her feet. Now, another sign appeared in heaven, an enormous dragon. It's tailsopp to the stars out of the sky, from them to Earth.
On the left, you'll see the constellation Draco, which is the dragon. Its tail goes from Arias to Sagittarius, which is four twelfth of the signs, or one thirds of the stars out of the sky. So are they just talking about star poetry or is there going to be a dragon that eats a woman in the heavens during the end of days? Well, clearly, metaphorically, it's it's the stars. We're talking about the stars, and that's the thing is throughout the Bible, and we're coming close to the end
of where it is. I was going to talk to you tonight and I want to thank you for taking so much time to go through all this. I feel as though we're going to need to go further and have a couple of these, if you don't mind, Mike, sure, because this is left off. You know we I would love to continue right from where we end up leaving off, and you can choose where to where to come to
a natural break here. But this is very important because look, outside of the astrological wheel, there are many signs that are in the sky that are often mentioned, and those get ignored in the Bible all the time, which is funny to me, because again it's not you know which part of the Bible is astrological, which part of it isn't is the bigger question, because it's either a metaphor or a direct description, and if you actually read it
properly well, you start to determine certain things about it. Even about John Dominic Chrissan I gave you earlier there you go, and you were talking about how you could keep studying it over and over again. And I've heard that from you know, very dogmatically Christian theologists over the years. You know that there is no end to the study of the Bible. About this. They are correct now about many other things, you know, as far as putting
saddles on dinosaurs and stuff. Well, you know, look, we all we are all human. That's exact. But maybe there's a story there too. Please continue, and like I said, come to a natural stop. And before we're done, I want you to remind everybody once again where to go get your eight books series, that children's book. We're gonna have to talk about that, you and me. I'll text you about it. Yeah, text you have my number of texts man. Yeah, okay, So
let's do Revelation seventy four. Then I heard the number of those who were seeing one hundred and forty four thousand from all the tribes of Israel. Now this isn't so much estro theology, as this is affected from the Eastern studies. Whereas the Jehovah's witnesses believe that only one hundred and forty four thousand people are predetermined, they actually there's twelve thousand people from twelve tribes, and only one hundred and forty four thousand go to heaven, they get to go see
God one hundred and forty four thousand. I'm going to show you how everyone gets to go see God as part of one hundred and forty four thousand familiar. Really quick side note here, Mike, I just want to throw this out there for the audience and maybe for you if you don't know this. Did you know that Jordan Axwell kind of started out life as a as a Jehovah's witnessed. So did Santos Pinancia. I'm not surprised. Yeah, I mean, you know, he obviously his understanding evolved quite a bit later on,
but I'm just saying that's how he started out life. I always found that fascinating that he was one of these guys that believed in this kind of stuff, because again, they get a lot of things right, but they get way more wrong. I mean, think about it, chocolate, What is rap poison? What is the rap poison? Right? What is rap poison? You think rap poison is just cyanide, it's not. Rap poison
is ninety nine percent food. It's ninety nine percent for your soul. But there's that one percent that'll kill you, which is what a lot of these people out there are giving you precisely, so no excellent analogy, thank you. Anyway, continue on, were because we're in If you're not seeing this visually, we're in revelation seven four looks like to me, so um, let's see. And then I heard the number of those who were see what is a seal? Okay, yeah, one hundred and forty four thousand from
all the tribes of Israel, And there you go. Doesn't that leave out a whole bunch of other people though, because not everybody is necessarily from the tribes of Israel too, right, Well, these are the people that go see God. Let me ask you a question. Are you familiar with the chakras? Yes? Okay, all right, so let's do this. Those are seven chakras, the rooty just really quickly. I'm familiar with the Kumbalini idea, the seven you know, the seven positions in the crown, in
the different meetings, the throat, all of it. Obviously we're not going to cover that here, but maybe we'll get into it later. Sorry, please continue, that's fine. There are seven chakras. The root has four pedals, the sacral has six, the solo plexuss ten, the hardest twelve, and the throat is sixteen, which equals forty eight. The third eye shakra is represented by ninety six and only has two pedals because it's two times as powerful as the lower chakras, so forty eight times two ninety six.
The crown chakra is a thousand times more powerful than the lower six. When you add the lower six, you get ninety six was forty eighty one forty four. You multiply it by the crown chakra a thousand, you get your one hundred and forty four thousand. What they're telling you is when you've activated all your chakras, that is when you get to go see God. When your pineal gland explodes and comes to life, that is when you get to go see God. It is not a fixed number of people that's predetermined to
go to heaven. Everyone has the ability to go see God. And I'm winding down right now. But if I were to tell you the hold I send you forth is sheep in the midst of wolves Matthew ten sixteen. Well, the sheep is aries and the wolf is the constellation Lupus, who boarders the Libra line. Look at this pattern. It makes they're opposing signs. It's all poetry. So I've given examples of astro theology in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. I've been accused of cherry picking verses from
the b I will to prove a point. So let's take a much longer passage and see if we could decode it as well. And I will end after this, okay, perfect, I will end after this. So this brings us to the Book of Job. Job is the oldest book in the Bible. It was put where it is located. It's older than Genesis, and people don't know this. It's older than Genesis the Creation story. The
Book of Job is the oldest book in the Bible. It was put there in one hundred a D. At something known as the Synod of Jamnia, which is where a bunch of rabbis got together to canonize the Bible. This was in one hundred a D. Because we believe it or not, by one hundred a D. By one hundred a D. The Old Testament wasn't
in order they did. The books were all over the place. So an interesting thing happened too during the Synod see thirty years prior to the Synod in seventy a d. There was a gospel that came out called the Gospel of Mark, which is the oldest gospel, and this was written around the same time of the destruction of the Second Temple. Now, during the sent out of Jamnia, they were deliberating whether or not to include the Gospel of Mark
in the Old Testament. So if you think that people haven't manipulated or done things with the Bible, it doesn't take away from how brilliant it is. But it's human, is what it is. Now. The Book of Job is a story about a man who has everything, and Satan goes up to God and says, look, if you take away his stuff, he's going to curse you. And God takes the bet. He tells Satan, you can do whatever you want to him, but you cannot take his life.
So little by little he loses his family, animals, money, home. You know, he's got boils. He's sitting down there on a rock and he's crime to God. For like pages and pages and pages, God answers him. What I'm going to read you is God's answer to him, and it's all astrology. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to read you the first sentence, which is what the Bible says, and then the second sentence is how you're supposed to read it. So Joe thirty eight thirty
two. The first thing he says, God says is can you lead forth the Mazarov? They purposefully do not translate this word into English into any other language. They leave it as Mazdaov, and people don't know Mazarov literally means the zodiac. Over time, Mazarov becomes Masilot, which survives in Judaism today as Mazoltov. You know how old Mazoltov is. Mazoltov means good fortune from the stars. That's all it means. So what is the Lord's challenge to
Joe? The first two are obvious cet metaphors. Can you bind the change of the pleightes, can you loosen Orion's belt? Those are obvious celastio metaphors. The rest are encoded, though, can you bring forth the constellation in their seasons? Or lead out the bear with its cubs? The constellations are the zodiac above the bear and its cubs are Ursa Major, the Great Bear, and Ursami and are part of the Big Dipper. Who can tip over the water jars of heaven. Who's tipping over a water jar in heaven?
That's Aquarius. Do you hunt the prey for the lioness and satisfy the hunger for the lion. That's Leo, who provides food for the raven. That's the constellation Corbus, which means raven and borders on Virgo. Do you watch where the dough bears for a faun? Mariga meaning deer is located in Orion. O'Rion is located between Gemini and Taurus. Who let the wild donkey go free? That's a Cellus borealis, meaning donkey, and is located in Cancer.
But the wild ox consent to serve you. That's Taurus. The wings of the ostrige flap joyfully. That's lamb dot quile or alfaalnon, which means two ostriges in Arabic. Do you give the horse its strength so we know it's a horse, So we know it's Sagittarius, because that's the only one sign with the horse. It lacks it fear afraid of nothing. It does not shy away from the sword and the quiver. That's where it is right there, the quiver what is a quiver. It sits next to the horse,
and it holds the arrows. Sagittarius is the man with the bow and the arrow along with a flashing spear in the lance. Because the eagle sword you command and build its nests on high. There's a constellation called the Quila, which is the lightning for eagle, and there's a few degrees along the celastial equator. Finally, he says, can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook? Leviathan is a fish shock. That's Pisces the fish. This is
all astrology. His entire challenge to Joe, do you know the masaar off? Do you know the zodiac? And do you understand where I've put all these stars? That's it, That's what it is. And I think that's a good good place to h to pause. I think so too, And
here we go. That is absolutely the answer to the angry emails that I know I'll get, because they always come whenever, whenever I tempt to discuss the symbolism and the astrological basis of these things, whether I did it with Jordan, or I had Santos on here or anybody, it was irrelevant. I actually teach for Santos. Yeah, well Santos tell him I said, hello, He might not even remember me after all these years. Well,
but this is Chuck. This is why my website is called debunk me dot com because I've had a standing offer for three years for somebody to come on my channel and tell me how I'm wrong, and not one single person has. Well, I'll tell you this personally, after having studied this in various ways and only getting guidance from Jordan over the past ten years or so, well past nine, let's say, I'll tell you that you're You're not wrong.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with I got a couple of questions, maybe, you know, like how it is we have a horse and a goat together. I don't think I've ever found the answer for that one when it comes to Sagittarius. But the majority of what it is that you're showing here again, we can see the bastardized versions of this in religion. We can see it in the very strange kind of industry that's out there regarding astrologists air quotes.
Okay, you know who who are are blessed, blessed their hearts as they say in the South. Uh, you know, trying to do something positive, but or misreading a great deal because they're not allowing themselves to to just see what's there in front of them. Even in the mistranslations, the reality is still there. And uh and I think this is very accessible and I look forward to doing more of this with you, Mica Dank one more time. Debunked me dot com. That's what it's called. Debunk me dot
com. Website has has my YouTube, all my social media handles, a way to email me, my books, merchandise and everything. And I just want to throw in one more thing, Chuck. I get people telling me all the time, you're you're, you're, you're, you're using English. You know that's not how it original. It's okay. I can read Hebrew
and I understand Hebrew to begin with, so there is that. The other thing is is that when they translate from language to language, I don't care if it's from Greek there or make to Hebrew to German to whatever they do, they're not translate the words that come up when they ask for sacrifices of goats, of rams of bulls. That's capricorn, that's aries, that's taurists, aries and Taurists are connecting signs on the zodiac. They're not translating or
mistranslating the animals or the people or the key words. For example, in Hebrew, right the commandment says thou shalt not murder, but the King James Bible they changed it to thou shalt not kill. Well, you can kill an animal. Killing and murdering is very different things. That is the kind of thing that you can make an argument that they're mistranslating and you're missing the information. My cipher is not touched. They're not missing those words, right,
I mean, you certainly wouldn't argue that. Look at the very beginning Genesis one, you have an instance where most people say that it says that, you know, the one voice of God says this. And meanwhile, if you read the Hebrew, sorry, that's a chorus of yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's right there in the original. But it doesn't change what it actually what actually happens. It just changes the character there. But like you said, it doesn't change any of the symbols because all of
those have been preserved from one language to another. You can understand horse from one language to another, and you can just look at a concordance or you know, one of those basic you know translate on Google. At this point, what does this word mean in this language? And you'll see it for yourself. The animals are still there, The symbols are still there, the numbers are still there. Even though again there are errors like like the two that you and I just brought up, right, I mean, so there
are mistranslations, they are present. You're not saying that there aren't any present. But what you're saying is is that the crux of what you're presenting here absolutely stands no matter how it has been translated and reinterpret correct correct. Nobody is arguing the translation of the word goat. Nobody is it's not going from goat to like lion, or go to shepherd or go to fish. It's
not. No. But you know, these these words are fixed, right, And that's the thing is much like these symbols themselves, when you have the wheel in front of you, they are fixed in in order. Now you may argue as to where they should begin, like quite honestly, I would argue that where where they placed the beginning of the procession on the yearly you know the yearly procession and there's a little problem there, but that's because
of our calendar again, as we brought up at the very beginning. But Mike and Dank, I think this is a very good place to start. I'm so glad. I have a bit of a nostalgic feeling because it reminds me of some very early conversations I had with Jordan and some other people. Uh. And I really hope that you'll come back again and educate us some more. By the way, we only got maybe halfway through this one presentation Mica does tonight, which which I also have seen him do another way.
I've seen some of these images before and everything else. It took a little bit of time to study that, but really great stuff. And uh and I'm really happy to have you along and thank you for taking the time with us. Well, thank you for having me Yuh. Anyway, the Ocelli effect is done, so no matter who you are, where you are, when you are, I hope you're well. And remember this, I'm merely
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