You. Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall Street, Window dot com and listeners like you, Yeah and the check May sixteen, twenty three, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and this is indeed the show you're looking for. How do I know that because you're hearing me say what I'm saying. Anyway, Tuesday, Tuesday, second broadcast day of the week for the network. Now, yesterday we did not get a get mad with Chris Graves, but look, things happen. He had a guest call things off.
That's just been the uh, I don't know the coin of the realm lately. Uh, guests not showing up, having problems scheduling. Uh. And not him, I mean me really, but but for some reason it's spread to Chris. So he will be back tomorrow, I believe with something of interest, I'm sure, And you never know what direction he's going to come from anyhow. In meantime, I'm coming back around and bringing things to the table as fast as I can. Yesterday's podcast only released so far on
the regular podcatchers. I haven't put it up on the website, but thought it was an interesting discussion with Mike Wallack. So anyway, if you're catching this through the various feeds. I mean, you don't care yesterday, today, another day. You can put them out of order, because you could be listening anytime. But as I speak to you, we are just about six minutes after eight pm Eastern, okay, in what they used to call the United States, on Tuesday, the sixteenth day of May twenty three.
All right, with all that in mind, you know, last week I got a lot of feedback from a reappearance, if you will, I'm an old friend, and what I heard was, man, am I glad to hear Pierce Redmond back because we hadn't heard from Porkins in a while, And you guys are an interesting combination and when you get together, it's an interesting team effort. I agree. So therefore Pierce Redman is back with me. Of course, Porkins Policy, Porkin's Policy Review, all of that longstanding podcast,
however, not seriously active lately. I have this idea that maybe Pierce is going to be a little more active soon. Not sure, not sure, because life always gets in the way, as we well known. Well no, but hey, you never can tell. Is that in the works?
Pierce? As I get into a couple of odd things. And by the way, we're gonna talk a little bit about the swag program that we're gonna be running the campaign of you will prochelly dot com because Pierce played a serious role in it the last time we did it, so maybe we'll recruit him to do so again. Pierce. Yeah, I would say the time.
I mean, I would say I've been more active in the past, you know today included than I have in you know, I was I finally posted are the episode we did was this last week or two weeks ago? Now I can't even I'm not sure it was either last week or the week before. Yeah, but I just ended. I just got around to posting it today onto onto my website. And um, I mean, it's been a while since I posted anything. I want to say. I'm just scrolling back. The last thing I posted was twenty twenty one, Wow, and
that was me and you talking about Um. I think it was some JFK documents in South Park or something or you know, so it was a while ago, who knows. Yeah, the last thing that I posted I titled its cyber beating dead Horses, which which is a reference to the trouble I got into with Jeffrey Epstein on YouTube and I posted that on the third. So yeah, I guess that's uh about two weeks almost two weeks ago.
So okay, good enough, and odd that the last thing you posted on your website before that was a couple of years back, already twenty twenty one. You know, I think that I might be wrong, but I think we might have like recorded some stuff in between them, but I just somewhere didn't post it. Well. I always love to get your take on various things in global politico if you will, um, because you always have a fascinating view on it. Your analysis is always interesting, that's for sure.
Now, if you guys look at the graphic from the last show and every show that I put out with Pierce on it, I always have this thing where he's posing with the o'chelly dot com hat, and that along with your with that piece of artwork that I think was what was that a fan piece of artwork at some point, Emma, oh, is your sister did yeah? Oh okay, that's right, that's right. Now it does come back and your sister did this. There's another there's another logo that I was using,
uh for a while. Um, that Errand designed, right, and that's the that's the other Porkins policy. Oh is that the one that we adapted into the show template probably yeah, yeah, yeah, with like the UM I'm trying to find it now, I'm sure I could, but you know, if you if you look it up, I'm you know, people
will be able to find it. Yeah, it's around somewhere. It was like this very orange had a very heavy orange, very heavy orange, sort of like a city scape, I think, right, No, but the one that I'm talking about is the one where he's outfitted very much like the Porkins character in Star Wars, with the helmet on and the orange suit. Suggestive not really even you know, you're probably not going to be in trouble
for like intellectual properties or whatever. I had a recent issue with that, trying to get playing cards made for the show where because I have a nomage to a Godfather graphic that I've been using. Yeah, yeah, of course, uh you know I have that. And also there's uh me sort of as a South Park character that I was using. Um And apparently both of these things infringe upon the intellectual properties according to American manufacturers. You take it
over to China. They don't give a crap um anything. So uh so some of the new swag coming up. Now. The reason why I brought up the hat is just because we're gonna reinstitute the hat program over here. Um, except it's you're not gonna be able to get the original design, the one that Pierce is modeling in that picture. That design is no more, but the newer designs uh. In fact, there's only gonna be one
or two of a kind in the first run of the hats. Not only that, but we're gonna have a hat design for each of the shows on the network, approved by the artist and the podcasters. Um, that you'll get as a thank you for supporting the network. So we're gonna come back around with it now. Last time it was thirty bucks, but inflation since twenty twenty one. Okay, um, guess what it's It's fifty bucks and
you get a hat plush. So there'll be a hat plus either a very nice metal fountain pen or or maybe a mouse pad, depending on what it is you want to put in. I'm going to select you're added extra items because they're all in limited run. There's only a couple of these things made a piece, and each of the hats are individual, all of them slightly different, although they have the different logos. One of them has the syndicate
logo. One of them has the logos similar to to the the web page, you know, the website's header, which is the same kind that Pierce has, but the hat is very different. Some of them are trucker hats, some of them are padded, some of them are snapback, etc. They're all a little different because I've had to run through various manufacturers now and almost none of them printed in America because of costs. Okay, so they're
printed all over Asia everywhere from Singapore to uh well to China directly. I've had these things sampled and now we have an inventory building of a bunch of these hats. So support any show you want, and yeah, beginning at chipping in at fifty bucks. Uh and that's the way it's gonna go. And there are shirts, there are hats, there are mouse pads. There very few uh sets of playing cards that are actually specialized and in limited run.
Uh So there's a bunch of things that could be in your little grab bag depending on the level. Also have new pens. Yeah, the new, the new metal pens, and maybe the plastic ones. I haven't ordered plastic ones in a while. Pierce likes the plastic ones, by the way, um and I do have a handful of them. Just put aside for you the last ones. Sweatshirts too. Yeah, there's a sweatshirts, all kinds of stuff I'm making that you'll have randomly inserted along with your thank you
gifts. So honestly, uh, fifty bucks not a bad starting level and you'll get stuff for it, So there you go. Um oh, there's also going to be printed aces of spades that have the network logo on them as well. Bunch of stuff like that that are going to go into everybody's packages, and everybody's package will be different. So there you go. A unique swag bag, if you will. And some of them might actually be in swag bags that have logos on them that you'll be able to use for
a grocery shopping or whatever. You know, when you go in and get your bag discount for using your recycled bag. We got some Ocelli bags coming sou bunch of stuff like that, and that's what's going to happen over the next couple of months. Anyway, now that I've done a massive, large plug for the show, back to it. Pierce started this whole thing though, because I want you guys, when you get your hats, when you get your stuff, send me pictures and we're gonna distribute them on the Instagram
and the twitters of the show hosts. If you get a get mad a hat or whatever, if you get a Age of Transitions hat or an Uncle hat, show us your hat, where your hat, take a picture of yourself, whatever. Put it on your stuffed animals, put it on your kids, your dogs, whatever you want to do. Just send us pictures and we're going to circulate him as as part of the ads continuing forward to
promote supporting the network. So and we did that last time, and we started with Pierce like he got a hat, and we used him as the model and then built off it. You remember that the little collages. Yes, no, no, indeed, So we're doing that. That is back as of now, so um and hopefully there'll be a whole web page devoted to it and all that and some other goodies are going to come up later in the year. But there you go. So we're not going to go
to selling merch exactly. We're gonna go to giving you thank you gifts for chipping in supporting and keeping us live. So that's the way it's gonna go. All right, all that aside, let's get back to business, because, as I said, I really missed your analysis on a great many things. And I'm curious what you're paying attention to while you're not strictly having to create new content constantly. What is catching your attention lately? I mean,
is it the uh the circus that is the Biden administration? Are you are you into Oh oh, you got the new report? Right? What is that? The Durham report came out, so you must be interested in that, right, Yeah, really that's my you know, bedtime reading. No, I've I've been uma. I you know, I've probably ignored the Biden presidency more than any other presidency, probably aside from when I was like a child and truly didn't have to care. Um, so that has not been
like a top priority for me in terms of news consumption. Um, I would I you know, I was, I was rattling off a few of the stories and stuff I thought we could touch on. I'll just briefly say, you know, one thing that I know, as much as I have stepped away from you know, the Epstein stuff, I still I will always, you know, uh take the time every couple of months to just google his name and just see what's in the news. But something that caught my
eye yesterday was a headline. This one, this one in particular, is from the Guardian, and I will all drop it in the chat as well if anyone is uh is there. But um, this one did catch my eye and it's Elon Musk subpoena over JP Morgan's role in Jeffrey Epstein's activities. Un you know, hang on, hang on a second, because I love this because Elon Musk, while you were sort of away, peers, Elon
Musk became an even more divisive figure. Now. I know. I had been playing around with the you know, the guy artist in Lope that was on Aaron Show, and we were doing little reports on what Elon Musk is up to and SpaceX and what the hell with the electric car, etcetera, etcetera. Right, um, he became a serious figure of interest kind of while you were away buying Twitter for the outrageous price and all that. And
now this week, big announcement. Right, he's got a new CEO that he's gonna put in charge, Yes, because he's gonna be yeah, former executive at NBC, right, former executive at NBC and you know, somebody who's going to actually handle the day to day at Twitter, because he's dropping into another prominent role there. I guess as the what is the technology director
or something. I kind of something to that. I mean it seems like he yeah, but you know, it's also all these reports of you know, he wants to be very hands off, but he is, you know, so obsessed with micromanaging everything. I saw some some some headline about you know, he wants to approve anyone and everyone that's hired UM at his companies right now, Alan, which is an insane thing if you think about a large some of these um companies he owns, and the vast amount of people
that are probably hired and fired on a daily basis for him too. Yeah, and billionaire Look, billionaires getting this involved in the micromanagement of anything, whether it's Twitter or otherwise. It is kind of strange because usually these are the guys that are hands off, stand back, and you know, when stuff goes to court it's almost always listen, I had no idea what was going on, you know, day to day operations. I'm the head of
the company. How would I know what's going on? And that's usually the standard. Fair. But what's weird to me with Musk is that he became this either a villain or a hero to many people all of a sudden, right. I mean, the guy was hosting Saturday Night Live. I know that's not quite the pop culture, you know, a piece of street cred that it used to be. But still he shows up to host Saturday Night
Live. He's a big deal. Everybody's talking about it. Well still it still it has you know, Look, it's carries some gravitas, right, but it's not exactly the thing it once was. But what's weird to me is this the strangeness with which we have to survive now, the alleged alt media deciding that certain people are either heroes or villains, alongside of what the MSM does. Now. I gotta tell you, we could get into Tucker Carlson if we have enough time, but I'm only going to take an hour
with you today. Okay, so I don't know if we're gonna get there, but I mean Tucker Carlson, right, being embraced by the alleged ault media, who is ready set go for the right wing, you know, sitting there and now he's gonna come out and he's gonna be on Twitter and do exactly what I said he would do, which goes to begin to invade independent media space. Right. He's not signing a contract, he's not going to do the you know, startup a website and bill O'Reilly route of the
no spin news. He's coming out and he's going to invade independent media's territory by coming out with a no frills here I am, I'm presenting some thing on Twitter allegedly. Um and Elon, is there any sense of what that will even look like? Well, Beau, is it just him going to be tweeting constantly? Is it? You know? Like I don't because Twitter, you know, see, here's the thing. Twitter is morphing into something
else with the Twitter spaces and spaces. I just saw that today. He saw Elon Musk being interviewed today on it him right, Well, but what it is is that a lot of podcasters now also have the option to broadcast live or to share their podcast through Twitter. See Twitter is morphing into something else where. It's becoming not just a social media platform but a media platform.
Right. So a lot of indie media people and alt media people allegedly are putting their stuff out either primarily through Twitter or as part of their array in the many places that they broadcast, right, So this is turning into something else. I mean, sort of like Facebook. I've accept successful. You know, it's actually working. People are tuning in that Facebook Live thing as you know, good of an idea as it seemed to have been didn't
catch on because you know, Grandpa can't figure it out. But Twitter is a little more for younger people. So independent media people have been embracing it, using it as a platform going out with their video podcasts first run or live. And there is no contract required. You can do it basically for free. I mean, you know they want you to pay for the blue check mark and all that, but nonetheless you can do it for free. You can do it right now, Pierce. Just start running your podcast through
Twitter and then it comes up on people's speeds. Now, there's no contract, there's no agreement that I know ab outside of your user agreement with Twitter and Elon Musk even made that clear immediately after Tucker came out and made his
declaration. Right, Hey, I've been inside the mainstream media and I know the deception, so I'm here to tell you, you know, basically making his I'm an alternative media person case pleading for it now on Twitter he did an official announcement, but that means that he's going to be able to go out and do that. And Musk even came alongside of him to say,
hey, look, he's not gonna get any special treatment. He's like everybody else, selling it as now not only I mean now, we're really looking at a town square because it's not only just the social media limited to so many characters, you know, tex tweets, share your videos, make your videos, make your podcast here, it's going to become a catchall and it's evolving. Now. All of that's going on, and yes, indeed there are people saying that, you know, Musk again being embraced by the alternative.
They're saying that Musk is one of these guys who is for free speech, who is actually on the right side of things, who is you know, not going to allow it to fall into liberal media's hands like everything else you know, it's not quite truth social, but it's going to be something new because of the vision of Eli on Musk and I find it very strange
who they're embracing as yet again another hero. Like I said, Tucker Carlson's a new hero and he's gonna go do his thing on Twitter now, which, by the way, probably doesn't violate any of his no compete causes, you know what I mean, because Fox is still paying him even though they've canceled his show. But if he goes on Twitter and does his thing, well, that's not really an agreement with a media company per se, because how do you classify Twitter at this point? It's not you know, it's
not like you went to a competing network. He didn't go to a CNBC. He didn't go to CNN, right, he didn't go to ABCNBC, you know, the whole alphabet. He's going to Twitter to do his things. So this is actually something different. You could argue that it doesn't even violate any sort of competition clauses in his contracts or anything else, which I find interesting. But even stranger is he laid the groundwork his cred if he will street cred was being established with the whole you know JFK. Okay,
the CIA was involved in JFK's murder. Good Night everybody, you know, and a couple other things. He said, you know, maybe we should question the vaccines. Good night everybody. He laid that ground work before getting dismissed by Fox, which allegedly was over these you know tweets coming out during
the lawsuit there with dominion right. I find it very interesting that he's being embraced as a new hero among the again in quotes alt media, indie media, and so is Tucker Carlson, when meanwhile, how do you get more establishment than Tucker Carlson. But anyway, so now your hero billionaire yet another one. Hey, maybe he should run for office. I don't know if that's coming, but who knows, right, Oh, at some point, I'm sure that you know, Trump is in many ways to sort of opened
the door for that sort of celebrity businessman. You know, imagine this is an unstable team about Trump and Musk, and it's a ticket and you know what, you don't like me, Musk will be my vice president, even
though wasn't. Musk was the one that sort of walked away from Trump early on right, well, yeah, but alliances, look, loyalty doesn't really matter, doesn't No, No, of course not yeah, yeah, I mean no, no, yeah, And I guess just to again, just to put it all into contexts this, you know Musk the savior is uh is being subpoenaed by the US Virgin Islands because of uh, you know that for information I think relating to you know Epstein in particular, but that the
uh, it is believed that Epstein may have referred or attempted to refer Elon Musk to JP Morgan as a client and uh, which in and of itself is maybe not the most uh um, I don't know, like fascinating aspect, but it did just remind me of the fact that Elon Musk's brother, Kimball Musk, was apparently dating a woman for a year, uh, and that was introduced to him by Jeffrey Epstein. There are the pictures of Gillain Maxwell and uh Elon Musk at parties, which you know must claim she just
photo bombed. Um. There's his ex wife to Lila Riley talking about going over to Epstein's house. Rumors that Epstein had a you know, private tour of SpaceX so you know, it's just one of those It piqued my interest. I know that last last time I was on, we were talking about, you know, what's the big story going to be, and there were a lot of people, you know, they keep talking about this, there's gonna be this big bombshell, this big bombshell, and I don't know that
this is No, I don't think so either. But there, I mean, it's I think it's it's I don't think that, yeah, that it's gonna be like oh Musk and him or but I think that a bomb could just be or a a small bombshell is just that Again, this guy is connected to everyone, even these supposed heroes, you know, Elon Musks fighting against uh, you know, globalist tyranny and you know, all this other
stuff. And and he's hanging out with Epstein. He's you know, I mean, so it's just he was just sort of like another funny thing, you know, this idea that you really think this person see what I okay, what I find stunning. And you know me, I love to just you know, throw us into the into the fire. As soon as the prying pan comes out, right, let's just do it. Here's the thing you and I have known each other for years, all right, Um, and I am not recommending you to a bank, uh to do stuff.
I mean, look if you ask me too. I mean, I might vouch for you if you wanted to put me down on your application for an apartment, and you might do the same for me, but it would be a discussion. Uh. And you and I have known each other for years, So you know what kind of relationship does that imply if he's like giving his recommends to a bank. Yeah, I don't even know. Yeah, I'm also I'm unclear as to you know what how this even works? Like
it? I don't know is Elon Musk is it? Is it officially known that he is a client of JP Morgan. As a client of JP Morgan, I mean this is I would assume this is UH as a private individual. This is not you know, they're not managing his money. They're not managing the company. They're they're managing Elon Musk's money. Right, Um, so yeah, I don't I mean it would be I would be interested to know if anyone, if anyone does know, uh, you know, let us uh, let us know. Well it's such a broad well see but
that's the thing. It's such a broad based, uh declaration. Right, Are we talking about his private money? Are we talking about his side projects? Are we talking about the very complex uh you know area the world of loans? Because remember when he bought twit or for what was it? I mean how many billions of dollars forty and forty billion dollars or whatever. It's not all his money, So he had to get money from somewhere. I
mean, the bank at some point gets involved there. If you're funneling investment money of that size, I mean, you can't do it, you know, by yourself going and collecting checks door to door. Um, you know what I'm saying. So what are we talking about? Are we talking about them helping or being involved with that? Or do we know that the guy even has a bank account with them? I mean, do we know any of that? And if so, what does this mean? I mean,
is this is I mean, it's open questions unless I'm wrong. What do you think? Oh no, yeah, I have in the fiestad. Yeah. I think it's just more Uh, it's just more indicative of the the story as it continues to sort of very slowly unravel with Epstein that you. I mean, it's even this, it's it's unclear as to what is what are they really looking for? You know, is you know, is the um the government of the Virgin Islands simply on a you know, to quote
like law and order a fishing expedition. You know, is this are they I don't know, I'm not sure what exactly they are trying I think what they're really trying to do is just get more information. Well, doesn't have anything to do with the standing lawsuit, because there was supposed to be Well
it does. Yeah, this is all part of this is all part of the Virgin Islands um you know UH lawsuit UH involving Epstein, involving um, you know, money that's owed the victims and the connection between JP Morgan and the the the notion that JP Morgan was covering for him. So this is all connected to the victims who are seeking some sort of restitution from his estate via the things that are held in the Virgin Islands in right, I believe.
So I think that that is that is ultimately what this is all stemming from. Uh. And and this is why, you know, the Virgin Islands has been very aggressive in subpoenaing lots of people, lots of lots of very rich people, lots of wealthy bankers and people you know in that sort of world, along with apparently Elon musk Well. And one wonders if this is a massive signal to those that have used it as the quiet little shelter
you know, to hide monies for various reasons. Is this is a signal now, hey, look the party's over in the Virgin Islands, because that's what seems to have happened every time one of these lawsuits, you know, starts shedding light on stuff like this, right, is all of a sudden, it's like, oh, well, can't go to that little tax shelter anymore, can't go to that place where the US government doesn't look anymore, because they're going to start making things public. Right. I mean, we've
seen this repeatedly with these different especially island nations. It seems like to me, maybe I'm wrong that you know, become these havens for laundering money. I mean, let's just be blunt. Whether it's Russian oligarchs, or it's you know, the billionaire class, or it's uh, you know, the various guys who have been involved in different schemes, Ponzi schemes and whatnot. Or it's the uh the crypto guy. Oh, by the way, what's going on with the crypto guy? Anybody check in on that lately? Uh,
you know, the last crypto guy? Yeah, Sam Freeman. H you know, I'm just asking. I'm not asking you, Pierce per Se. I'm just throwing things out here. Um, I'm just saying, is that a signal though, to the others that might be seeking to launder their money there? Or what? You know? I mean, what does this mean? Yeah, I mean I don't know. At the end of the day, probably nothing, you know. And uh, we talked about that
a couple of weeks ago. I didn't really think that this was I mean, it's not It is not particularly interesting, and I don't think it's, like I said, this is not going to be the bombshell that we're all uh you know waiting for. Um. I think it's just it just it just proves how uh pervasive Epstein his his influence in his reach with uh, pretty much everybody. You know. Again, even this is even someone like Elon Musk, who who in at least in public, he comes off as
is he's so smart, he's ahead of the curve on everything. He's he's warning us about you know, Skynet taking over and you know AI and we've got to colonize Mars and all these stuff. But yet he's still hanging out with this uh social pariah, um, Jeffrey Epstein, and he's he's possibly taking financial advice from him, you know, and and getting recommended to one
of the most most powerful influential banks in the world. So yeah, I think it's just it's it just it just goes to prove that, you know, even I think with all of the pressure on him, unlike other people that have fallen out of favor for even similar stuff to Epstein, apparently his uh you know, his influence was was still such that people were willing to
kind of just completely look past that. Yeah. I mean, he didn't go the way to Kevin Spacey, where you know, instantaneously his career was over and nobody would talk to him anymore, uh, you know, and that was based on allegations that, by the way, eventually sort of evaporated. Um. And still that guy's career never recovered. Okay, none of that's ever going to recover. People stopped talking to him. I mean, uh, you know, I I think people are are more forgiving of what's
his name there, the guy who ran the film company. Um, why I think people are more forgiving of Weinstein who's in prison, uh than actually been convicted, has been convicted. Um, you know really you know where they're like, well, look, you know, I mean it was the time we worked with the movie company what he want us to do? But you know, nap, you know, it's sort of like out. I think that's also because he was so much more beloved. You know, I
don't think anybody was like, oh, I just love Harvey Weinstein. You know, they might find him interesting or something, but no, but they loved his product, his movie. Yeah, that is true. But I don't think that anyone had like the same. You know. It's like you watch The Usual Suspects for the first time and you're just you're blown away.
You can't believe, oh my god, Kevin Spacey is so great, and then to find out that he might, you know, he might be this creepy predator who I mean, it seems to have been very close with Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell and whatnot. So yeah, I think that's just it's it's like a hard field to swallow. I think it in the same way that a lot of you, even peeple like Woody Allen, people have real trouble um, you know, coming to terms with that, and that results in
him being completely canceled. I don't want to talk about him. Don't don't tell me about his movies. I don't want anything. I don't want to know anything about him. You know, he's evil, that's the end. Yeah, But Woody Allen is he again? Woody Allen is again almost forgot. I mean they literally knocked House of Cards right out of Kevin Spacey's hands when it was responsible for really setting up the future of streaming services and original
content. I mean, without it, I don't think we would have ever seen the CBS All Access and uh, you know, and and things like this even attempted had there not been a serious showing there that original content could be generated by one of these streaming services and it could not only compete with, but defeat you know a lot of these other you know, television networks and things. And Kevin Spacey was integral to that, and they knocked it out of his hands, took him out of the show, you know,
seriously considered removing it. I think it's still up on Netflix, but seriously considered, I mean totally removed the show, turned it over to Robin Wright right for her to run and ran it she did into the ground. Um, you know. And I almost think that was done on purpose too, to completely eliminate the need for any sort of legacy where it's like, oh well, at least he still had this great piece of work going. It was all taken away with his cancelation, you know, sort of like Al
frankin uh, with with his situation. Other politicians surviving that the one guy that's another guy I was wondering if you had any comments on on uh, the guy who has just now been been drawn into court and uh and it is actually being put on trial now for all these things down in South America. You know, I'm talking about the congressman from New York. Oh uh Santez. Yeah, Oh, I mean I love him. I can't get
it. I mean, I hope he I mean, I hope he does go away, but I at the same time, I hope he doesn't. I encourage the listeners to go to his especially if you're from New York to go to his Twitter account. There's a video um that he posted on like opening day of baseball and it is I mean, cringe. Isn't even like a word I would I that would qualify as a descriptive for this video he did in support of his his so called beloved Mets. I don't think this
guy's ever been to a Mets game. I don't know that he knew the Mets existed until this moment that he posted this video. And then I said, I'm not like a Mets fan at all, you know, always the Yankees fan growing up. But it is so offensive and it's just such a ridiculous thing. But no, I oh, I love because he is such an amazing contrast to Al Frankin, who had to be removed right, had to resign for for I mean for really like a stupid crude thing um that
you know, uh, it doesn't doesn't look good. I don't think it's something he should be proud of. But it was like it is sort of a bit like you know, he is a comedian. It was maybe distasteful. But Santos is I mean the fact that he got the fact that he was elected when everybody knew exactly what he Like, this is not like a
shock and any it's your grab bag. I mean between grifting, you know, U between grifting a traumatized veteran over his rescue animal and you know, being a drag queen apparently, and then also being what was he He was a Jew and then he wasn't a Jew? You know, I like you was just some of the people like this sort of like you know, gay Twitter. They don't even think he's gay. They think that's true. That's a grift, you know that he's just making that up. But the whole
thing is he was married to a woman. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, Like you can't stop the bizarre contradictions. And you would think the Republican Party would be like, yeah, we need to get this guy gone, because I mean the Democratic establishment was like Al Frankin's gotta go you. I mean, can you imagine a if George Santos was the Democrat? I mean, he wouldn't. It just wouldn't have. I don't and I don't
say this to be like partisan. I just don't think he would have gotten that far well, and you know, you would not have, you know, Nancy Pelosi standing there like Kevin McCarthy did, going, well, look, he's not actually on any committees, and the people of New York elected him. So you know, what do you want me to about food?
As out of there? If he even made it that far, you know, I just whatever you want to think about her, there's no way she I mean, I think I think actually the George Santos thing to me really illustrates how weak McCarthy is, as as it's just so funny. I love his his basic explanation, which boils down to, look, the people of New York elected him, So what do you want me to do about it? I mean that that's pretty much his I mean, unless I'm wrong,
I think that. I mean it's crazy. I mean he's he's would check roud in Brazil. Um, yeah, I mean you don't even have a auto, you know, payments haven't gone. I mean, it's it's it's like insane. He was getting money from the guy, the horrible thing. He's collecting money for the veteran who wants to get his rescue dog, and
then he doesn't give him the money. I mean that was I mean, that guy came out like the one that got me it's in terms of these thirteen felonies that he's been and this is this is only counting the United States. This is not counting the felonies the check fraud and other stuff that, um, you know, he his problems in Brazil, um, which who knows that maybe those will come back up. But the one that really got
me was three counts of money laundering. Yeah, and and I'm not maybe you would know this spinner truck, but because I didn't, I couldn't quite figure it out initially. But I mean, is this because I know that he was depositing these like or strained you know, it's like I forget what the number is, but there was you know, there's a certain number or if you're if you're getting donations to a political campaign above a certain amount,
you know they have to be filed in a special way. And he was whatever that amount was, it was like, you know, a dollar short of that. But I mean with some of these, my impression with the at least with the because money laundering to me seems weird for you know, campaign finance. Why are fraud I get, um, you know, making
false statements all of that sort of stuff, But the money laundering. Is that is that just like he's funneling money from gut from what you know, from he's you know, he's scamming people in Brazil and then he's taking that money and then putting that into his campaign to watch it so that he you know, and then use it obviously to buy whatever stupid crappy So I mean, that's it's just so unbelievable. Like it's the level to which he is so corrupt and just and he's just not very good at it. And I'm
so familiar with various scams. Uh you know that like you know, ob guys pull off where it's like Okay, we're gonna raise money for this, but we're actually gonna put it over here and we're gonna pretend it's for something else. I mean, you know, very much like the whole Trump thing with the cancer kids, where it was like okay, well I have to
hire a place and I'm just gonna hire my dad's place. Uh, you know, the whole my event things like like I get all that kind of stuff where you bring somebody in who's kind of like you know, already juiced in. I don't worry, I'm gonna take care of you here, you're gonna make a profit stuff like that. I don't understand some of the scams that he's got running because they don't make any sense. I think I think he's well, one, he's obviously a compulsive liar, Like there's there's some
sort of underlying psychological issue with him. Yeah, um, but because I mean some of these things were I mean, the one one that got me was like he was claiming to be a producer for Spider Man Out of the Darts idiotic musical, and it's just it's like, why why are you lying about that? Like what are you? You know what is? And that
he had employees at like the Pulse nightclub shooting. I mean, just like it's it runs the gamut of just like just so bizarre and so varied in his line that it just seems like he wakes up and I think he's unclear as to who he is and like what you know he is. He's so bad as a confidence man that I don't I don't know if he can even remember all of these like lies. I mean, that's why he's gotten caught
out so many times. But the thing is, but obviously it went on long enough that he could build up this track record because I mean, this is a lot of stuff going on and you're running for office. I mean, look, kudos to somebody who can keeps some plates spinning, because there's a lot of crap going on and I can't even sort it out. I mean, it's just wild to me. And also that his own party. The only reason why I even bring him up is because, like I said,
Al Frankin, it was like everybody turned on him. This guy has like scandals going in eighty different directions. I mean, moral turpitude coming on
from every direction, right, Uh, different scams, different people. He's beaten out of money, okay, different different you know again, all these different felony charges, all sorts of financial crimes he's committing, you know, the the obvious thing when you bring you know, nine hundred ninety nine thousand dollars somewhere, you know, just so that you don't get to that, you know that one more dollar or whatever it is. I mean, all that stuff is going on and nobody is going, yeah, we need to
ask him to resign. Nobody does that, but Al Frankin get him gone. I mean, it's just I don't know. To me, that's just the weirdest thing to watch happen. But but anyhow, look, that's not even the biggest point that I wanted, and I didn't want to spend a lot of time on this. I just wanted to point it out that this is the world in which we live. And meanwhile, I know that some other stuff caught your attention. I want to get to it because we've already
run through so much time on this. Well, George Santez Is, I mean you can't. I'm glad you brought him up, just because I don't. I don't really talk about him much, you know now, but it istatic. It's a wonder to to It's like one of those things that's like very much. I mean, the old the old standby, right, it's the car wreck. You can't turn your head away even though you really don't
want to be watching it. Uh, that that's what's happening there. But meanwhile, you know, people have also brought up stuff about nine to eleven to me recently, and uh, it's very strange, you know, the world we find ourselves in there regarding the the nine to eleven truth community and
what has happened to it in recent years. Especially um. But there's still stuff going on regarding this, and I know that some stuff caught your attention, and I don't think anybody is bothering to look at an advance regarding nine to eleven. I mean, it's very much quiet on the on the truth or front. I know, you know, somebody like John Gold might take objection to me saying that, But but the truth is, I haven't seen
much discussion of it lately. It's not been in the hopper, so to speak, with the all media or anything lately because they're too busy getting ready for the twenty twenty four Circus event that's about to unfold and all that. Um. But I know you've taken notice of some stuff recently and uh tell us about that. Well, yeah, I would, um, and I'm sure I'm sure John would probably be annoyed with both of us. But it
is true. I don't really think it's in the news very much. Although I just I just went onto um h, John, I was just looking up John's Twitter account nine to eleven Justice Now, yeah, and it does seem like he was talking about um what. I'm uh what I just just discovered um earlier today, But that a twenty one page for a big, big huge shout out, look, big huge shout out to John Gold before you go any further. He's always on this stuff. He's always aware of
what's going on. I love him for this because that he has not ceased when it comes to this. And of course, if you go to we were lied to about nine to eleven I think that's the name of his website, right, we were lied to about nine to eleven dot com, and or if you follow him on Twitter, either way you can stay abreast of what's actually happening regarding the search for truth regarding nine to eleven. He's practically the only guy who is absolutely it seems like twenty four to seven on it.
I love John. I got to get him back on the show against soon. Sorry, I just wanted to make sure we drive away. Yeah, I mean that end. Like you said, I mean, he's just devoted his life to it. Oh yeah, and his books are there for free, by the way, on his website. He's not trying to sell you anything. He is just you know, after after truth number one and uh and and number two, some level of justice would be nice to see
two. And there's a lot of different ways to go with that. I mean, and he's focused on the families, the people that are still suffering all these years afterwards, the people that have died as a result, uh not just from the events of that day, but you know, from the aftermath. Uh So yeah, absolutely, I would recommend people look at John
Gold and look him up. If you never heard of him, Uh, please just pause this podcast and go look up John Gold, j O N and then Gold go o LD. Okay, So his website is we were lied to about nine dot com. That's it. We relied to about nine one dot com. Yep. Yeah, and there's uh, I mean, you can you can find I think johnsal has a lot of his interviews. He did a really in depth podcast series for a while, uh interviewing all sorts of different people. But uh, he has you can it's for free.
You can download it a book version of every single interview he did right um on his website. Great stuff. Look for him on YouTube as well. A lot of his great interviews are still up on YouTube. He hasn't been banned. It's really an amazing reasoned because nothing he says is you know, he's he's very I wouldn't say cautious, but he's not. He's not you know, like speaking out of you know, his ass about that, you know what I mean. No, it's fact based, it's fact.
The thing he's saying is incorrect, right, fact based, fact based and not not you know, speculation, very very limited, very direct evidence. Actually talks to the real people, talks to the people that were affected and lets them speak for themselves. And how the hell are you going to ban that? So he does not get banned on YouTube? Which is really great anyway, I'm just saying, big, huge tip of as many hats as I got to John Cold, so go ahead and talk about what it is.
He was. It was something that caught my eye, which is um and it's funny. Uh. It was just I was like looking it up, and you know, I saw it was like in the Gray Zone. I saw it there listed somewhere and you know, bombshell filing nine to eleven hijackers or CIA recruits, um. And then you find out, well, it's the gray Zone. Didn't even it's not even their story. It's actually
um. It was written by or was published in spy Talk, which is uh, which is actually kind of an interesting It's a sub stack Um. People should should check it out spytalk dot co. Um. But you know it's it's they were reporting on some recently declassified UH court filings, in particular twenty one page court document and I'm quoting from spy talk UM, filed in twenty twenty one at Guantanamo Bay Naval based in Cuba, where the cases of
the nine eleven defendants are being heard. The document was on the public docket docket but went unreported because it was completely redacted except for an unclassified marking. Spy Talk obtained an unredacted copy and nothing in it is all that new. It was compiled by this guy Don Kennastaro, who was an investigator for the Office of Military Commissions. But it it And again you know, John gold is tweeting about how this isn't really news. Um. I saw UM.
You know my friends Raindo, michelski Um and John Duffy who wrote The Watchdogs Didn't Bark Um and who also were the people behind the probably probably one of the best podcasts or early podcasts, UH, you know, a series called Who Is rich Blee? They wrote about this a lot in their book, UM. But it basically just it. It just lends more credence to the idea or the theory put up by many people. Um that al Hamsey and Almadar, who were two of the nine to eleven hijackers, they were on
the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. They are also famous for their sort of escapades in Malaysia. They were at this very famous Al Qaeda's summit where they were you know, videotaped coming and going by the CIA, but who
you know, neglected to bugget for audio. And they were also famous for their comings and goings in San Diego and their meeting with a character Bayoumi, who was there's no doubt about that was a Saudi intelligence officer, but it just it was It's maybe not the most interesting story if you're familiar with this, but it just is there's just further evidence compiled by other people that these
guys were definitely you know, connected to Saudi intelligence. But it also puts forward the position that the CIA might have in fact truly been a been trying to recruit them, uh, you know, and that they were working through SOUNDI intelligence And it just quote it just quotes more people, um and it just you know, uh, it kind of lends a little bit more credence
to that. What I found interesting one is that it just sort of goes unreported and then it kind of gets like, you know reported, uh you know in the gray zone as this like bombshell and it's not really a bombshell. All of this was was well known and in fact, there's there's nothing in this that you haven't heard. And you know, even even combing through the spy Talk article, you see that a lot of these um uh you know, there are different people, different FBI agents and stuff that are referred
to uh, you know as not even pseudonyms. It's CS three, CS four, and you know you're able to kind of figure out exactly who these people are. And they've they've been on the record before, they've talked about this openly. That yeah, that you know, there were all these rumors flying around that the you know, the CIA was out there and they're trying to recruit al Qaeda operatives that they knew more. There's a lot about Alex Station again, all stuff that John Duffy, rain of Michelski, John Gold
and others have talked at nauseum about um. But it was just, um, what caught my eye about it Chuck was one is just that you know, it's like further, you know, there's just every couple of years, there's more and more and more evidence that at the very least the Saudis knew
exactly what was going on. They're running all these people, and that you know, best case scenario, the CIA was one hundred and ten percent aware of this and just you know allowed this to all happen, and if you really start to kind of peel it back, that they were obviously involved as well. But the thing that I found so interesting about it what peaked it is one, is that it it you know, it's like bombshell filing.
Nobody you know, this was not like a big headline for I mean maybe people on Gray Zone side, but it definitely kind of flew under the radar um and it's it's just it's interesting that it still has this like resonant power to kind of you know, to come out and people get kind of interested in it and then it goes away, uh you know, and and I
don't know, there's just something about that. And also just you know, in terms of stuff like you know, I was perusing, uh the spy Talk website after that, and I saw, you know, Jefferson Morley writes articles for them, and um, you know, and I know, you know, obviously, you know, with the JFK, stuff you know, becomes ever more relevant and it kind of you know, people kind of tease out this stuff and I'm sure you get this a lot where it's sort of
like it's kind of more of the same um. But it's interesting that it still has that power and that to an extent in the ult media, it can kind of be tried it out as this thing and people can kind of look at it and people can kind of talk about it as if it's some brand new bombshell um, when it's just the same piece of information packaged over
and over again. And I think that the sad thing is that it gets reported on as this, h you know, brand new breaking news story, and then it's just filed away and then that's it, and there's no real kind of one that all this stuff was out there, the fact that this is all out there and that we still haven't done anything, that these guys are still just sort of out there operating doing whatever, that none of these people have really been held accountable, even though every couple of years the same
story comes out. Oh yeah, well look just this week, right, you'll be amazed to hear this. You talk about Morley, and Morley is well aware of this. Just this week more documents were actually released, more CIA documents that again lead us to the idea anyway, that you know that that Lee Harvey Oswald had people that were connected to the CIA directly involved than his life, you know, and it's like, oh hum, nobody reported
on this, and I do mean nobody, And there it is. You know, here we go a little more incremental confirmation over what's going on. How does that mean the CIA was directly you know? Is it the the grand declaration that we got from you know, Tucker Carlson, Hey, the CIA was involved? Can I everybody you know giving you no facts, no nothing to back it up at all, just giving you sort of an agreement
with some sort of confirmation bias. Yes. True. But at the same time, even when this evidence does come out, it's never given any attention. Even the people that you would think should be paying attention to it don't want to hear about it. You know, nobody wants to hear about this stuff. I mean, we still have to anyway, It's just the way it's gonna be. And Moraley, I appreciate what he's doing, I really
do. He's got a thing over there, I think the tale of two Defectors and you know, trying to compare and contrast to what went on with Oswald with another well own defectorum. And he makes good points. But these are things that have been around for a while. Nobody's really going to pay attention unless you're an avid follower of you know, Morley sub Stack or something.
You're not even gonna know about this stuff. I mean, did you see I saw this because then I was looking at Morley's substack that there's a um a a new JFK film that's that's uh that David Mahman has written. Have you heard about this? Yeah, yeah, I heard about it.
No, there's there's a couple of them, uh supposedly in the works, and some of them might get you know either um, either they're gonna run out the trailers or they might run out of film that you know, maybe has been produced that we didn't know about in progress, uh, right around the sixtieth anniversary toward the end of this year. Uh, They're they're gonna either drop new films or they're gonna try and get you, you know,
psyched up for new film. Um. And yeah, there's all kinds of weird things going on in jfk Land, and uh, even people in JFK Land don't want to hear about it. It's it's really weird. Um, you know, it's it's like, there's just what did we call that before the oversaturation of information has caused people to become really just numb to a lot
of this stuff. So, you know, incrementally you get confirmation on a whole bunch of things that you know, we're speculated about only a few years ago, that people had limited evidence to go on a few years ago, that a lot of people did some you know, very serious work trying to get the information out there, and now it's just kind of lost in the sea. You know. It's really kind of a sad circumstance um that we
find ourselves in. And uh, a lot of it being deactivated and derailed in my mind, by these by these strange political characters who come out make these brand you know, the the these grandiose, brash statements, you know, like oh, Donald Trump was telling the truth about the Iraq War during the campaign, remember that, you know, it was like, oh yeah, kind of but you know, but then it just sort of, I don't know, it's weird. It kind of derails the actual work that went
into it. And does Donald Trump give you anything to work with so you can back that statement up? No? Does Tucker Carlson? No, you know, Elon Musk with his weird statements, does he give you stuff to back it up? No? And then even when he does, you know, the Twitter piles, Remember that was a big deal a little while ago. Interesting, how you know, maybe that's not so reliable anymore, right, sort of everybody gets kneecapped at the end. It's it's a very weird.
It's funny you bring up the usual suspects, because that's what I feel like, you know, at the end of it, the one guy who was actually responsible walks away and you were talking to him the whole time and you didn't know it, You know what I mean. It's just it's the general feel I get from all of this anymore in the indie and all media world. But what is the point of what I'm saying? You know what, I kind of don't even know anymore. That's really the point of it
is, do you know what the point is anymore? You know, like it all gets lost in the sea. I don't know how else to put it. Pierce, maybe you can help me out here. No, no, I agree, And that's why I guess I don't know if I was if I made my point clear. I think I was sort of rambling with
the nine to eleven stuff. But it feels, you know, it feels like that too, that it just it's it's being reported here to just sort of to then get lost in all of it because again, nothing, there's nothing actually like new in any of this, right, And I don't know what is the point of reporting on this um other than it's like a little bit more confirmation from you know, about a topic that was all but you know, exhausted by people like John Duffy, Raina Michelski, John Gold and
others. And yeah, I don't know. It's just odd to me exactly. It's like, what is the point is this? Why is this happening? Now? You know? What are they trying to get out of this? Well, they're certainly not trying to use it to distract us from the ridiculous circumstance we find ourselves in financially as the financial crush continues to uh,
you know, punish the majority of us the way it seems. Uh, it's certainly not there to take us away or distract us from, uh, the ongoing conflicts on the planet, the fact that we're being divided and conquered repeatedly and subdivided and meant to be pitted against one another. I don't know, it doesn't seem to be a significant enough distraction just yet. Almost seems
like we're waiting for the next big bombshell to really drop. You know, what is the next big problem that we're going to have to face collectively? That's almost what it leaves me wondering, because at this point, I mean, you know, how how numb do you have to get? Uh, you know, in order to stop caring about every thing? I mean, it's it's like apathy is being enforced. You know what was that statement? You know? Uh? Oh man, I'm trying to think of the great
jellab out for line. Uh you know where Uh it's like apathy is now enforced by law or something. You know, It's it's like, yeah, it's like now now it's it's just it is the way of the legal constructor. This is the way things will be conducted from now on, you know, And um, I think it's it's meant to sideline the people that really were intensely interested. You know, nothing new here, nothing to see here, folks, you've already seen it. And for those that don't know and
didn't care, they don't see it either. It's just it's just meant to be, you know, part of the background noise, the white noise of the world. Yes, you know, and um, it's hard to articulate what that really means. Where are we going next? I don't know, Pierce. If I knew, I would put it out there though, and I'd sell it to somebody and warn them about what's coming next because I don't feel good about it. But anyway, I've killed an hour with Pierce Redman.
So how do you feel about it? Pierce? Anything you want to drop in here before we get going, And by the way, I feel free to post this, uh as soon as you want to. I'll give me the you know, obviously, all permissions posted on Porkins Policy review dot com. That is the full website, right, yeah, Perkins Policy Review dot com. Okay, and trying to remember because it's been a while since,
I know, I have to remember too sometimes. No, just just an add chuck, that's been it's been great, um doing these again with you. And just as we were talking there, I was just in my head thinking of getting you know, uh, maybe getting John Gold, maybe inviting John Duffy back on to and interview him. Maybe related to this, you know, brand new bombshell News article about nine to eleven, which was
reported on years ago by both of them. So yeah, just yeah, I don't know, that's it. Just it's it's been good, uh kind of you know, easing back into recording stuff. So I you know, I hope that we'll do more of this h in the near future. Well, I'll tell you what. Sometime in the next couple of weeks, maybe
like beginning of June somewhere and there. Why don't we get together again and if you want to invite some other guests along, we can have a bit of a roundtable discussion and let some people smarter than me anyway have the microphone
for a minute. You know, I'm not going to claim they're smarter than you, but you know, somebody like John or you know, or the other John, you know, either Duffy or Gold or whoever it is that you want to bring on to comment on this stuff and really give us the state of the state regarding nine to eleven, regarding what this all means as we go forward. It's still forward into the post nine to eleven reality,
because it's still important, you know, it is still important stuff. And I think we need to pay attention to what's not being reported more than what it is they're laying out there as like, oh, here you go, here's your bone doggies you know too on this for a little while. But don't worry. We don't need to feed your real food just yet. Uh what are your thoughts? No? No, absolutely, and yeah? And I think yet just if if to for no other reason than to just sort
of pose that question exactly why why now? Why is this? You know,
why is this even being reported? Um? And and yeah. And then the fact that you know it while it should be bigger news in the sense that it is more confirmation that the you know, largest terrorist attack in America, um, you know, was known about by our closest allies, was known you know about by people involved in ostensibly preventing it, right, Um, you know, And and the I don't know, I know, it's it's very you know, it's very it's much more in vogue to be
concerned with I don't know, Jeffrey Epstein or the alt media or Trump and de Santists and uh know, and I don't know the deep state and all this stuff. But I mean, you know, it's like, if you're really interested in those the deep state and those sort of topics, I mean, you can't really get much deeper than nine to eleven um, you know when it comes to this, I mean outside of other you know, deep state events such as JFK or I Ran contraent and things like that. But
yeah, they're still they're still super important. They're still living with all of the aftermath of those things. And if anything, these sort of articles that come out, they don't they just sort of they just sort of reinforce that, yeah, this is our life now, you know, it's not it's not actually it's not trying to seek out new information. It's not trying to
contextualize or to understand it. It's just sort of more confirmation that, yeah, you know, every time you get on a subway in New York City, there's an announcement that police um can just search you for no reason, which is all, which is only was instituted after nine to eleven. Yes, and if you completely ludicrous um law, that's still exist all over exactly.
But but don't forget, you know, if you're a whistleblower regarding the Hunter Biden laptop though, you might get removed because that happened this week too, you know, just saying, Look, there are many systems of justice and they're not serving any of us. And that's the way it is. And the key thing to remember when it comes to nine to eleven, as far as I'm concerned, is exactly what John Gold's website and book says. We were lied to about nine to eleven, and then that dot really should
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