The Ochelli Effect 5-10-2024 Open Mic

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call in and be part of the show, be heard. I put out, you know, my usual little message on the social media's and all that stuff, hopefully reaching out to some people who might want to get heard, open topics, the whole way through, whether I like it or not, Bring onto the show whatever you like, and what is that number to call three one nine five two seven five zero one six three five two seven five zero one six or reach out to me Charles dot ocelly on Skype and I

can call you into the show. And that's the way that works on Friar'sday nights, Friday night as it is all the way up to ten pm when the Age of Transitions begins with Aaron Franz Live and then at eleven pm Uncle. The podcast gets broadcast here on ocelly dot com, which, by the way, they're gonna split the hours this week. And I guess Uncle's gonna take calls, but Aaron is still not going to I think there was a planned guest as well. I don't know what's going on over there because I

just make sure to facilitate the show. I'm not in charge of anything my hosts do or say, so that's the way that is. I don't control anybody, apparely myself most of the time. House full of dogs. I got a child that doesn't listen to me. And if you haven't met missus, O guess what. Anyway, it is what it is Friday night. I'm trying to stay in good spirits. I hope you are two and look

with the way the world is. What else can you do? Three one nine five two seven five zero one six that's the number to join us? And by us, what do I mean myself and my co host b Pete? How are you doing this week? Be Pete? Am doing pretty good. Another busy look, but uh looking forward to this weekend. Of yard work and playing outside. So what's gonna be a dood? Well, that is if your yard isn't flooded. You're experiencing the rain that we got pummeled

with here for a couple of days. Uh, real helpful for my back, all that dampness and everything. But you know, what are you gonna do? Uh? Subtropical or tropical area of the world is the southeast here and what we used to call America, so is what it is. But is the rain hitting you hard? You got thunderstorms or is it just kind of raining a lot? Yeah, we just had just had a huge back. So well, a lot of thunderstorms off and all for the week.

In the afternoons when he gets hot, we've been up an over ninety degrees. Good, you moved through it, dunk. Quite a bit of rain washed away a lot of pollen and dust, and so those of us been suffering in the spring time can bring it a little easier for the next couple of days. But the nice thing is it drops twenty degrees. It's only going to be seventy one tomorrow, so we go back to spring. That's a funny thing about North Carolina and you experience three seasons worth of weather in

one day. Yeah, and over the course of a week it could bounce back and forth between a lot of different things. Happens in Georgia too, and some people in other parts of the country are not familiar with the concept of the ten minute superstorm either. You know where it's like you're getting buckets of water dumped on your head for a little while, like I said, about a whole ten minutes, and then it clears up and literally like the

sun comes out the next thing. You know, give it an hour or two more and you might get more dub buckets of water dumped on your head sometimes. You know, it's funny. When I was in the middle of Europe, the first thunder when I was in Germany, this back in the

eighties. The first thunder storm that I ever actually witnessed was during the winter time, during a snowstorm where you know, we're lucky enough to live in in the southeast section of the US and any front or low pressure system that comes out of Texas picks up all that golf noist moisture off the Atlantic once it makes the turn, and all that they gets some pacious fronts, you know, differential between Mari Coole there and generates tornadoes and thunderstorms, some pretty

severe storms at times, But over there you don't have all that water feeding the storm system, so when you get a load come through, it just stays cloudy. We given color of Germany was gray there for a while. It seemed like it stayed out for two months at a time. But the actual first thunderstorm was in the middle of a snowstorm. And I noticed that in Switzerland as well. You only got your worst weather with fronts in the

winter time. You didn't have this. You might have a shower move through in the summer, but nothing like we get down here in the southeast. Right. Hey, look, you might want to actively mute a bit B Pete because your signal is going inconsistent, inconsistent, So what might happen is you'll build up your compression a little bit and have more clear speaking times if you mute in between. Sorry to do that to you, but again it's the weather interfering with B Pete's signal, So it is what it is,

and hopefully you'll be able to remain through the whole show. At least you're not stuck at work this week. I kind of felt bad for you with those. I hated trying to do radio shows or radio interviews from work. Some of my very first radio interviews were done under some odd circumstances too, at least in the conspiracy genre. As a musician, it was a lot more fun. I actually went to radio stations, but when I had to do stuff via phone, I mean literally half of a place that I was

working in was demolished. I was sitting on a pile of rubble talking to James Corbett the first time he had me on a Texas radio station one night to do a thing on Lee Harvey Oswald. Anyways, it was an interesting week in the podcast too. I tried to get a bunch of stuff out. I don't know if anybody noticed, but on the feed today we got the archivist who was a requested guest for the May Brussel Research Library. The

archivist was on with me, and earlier we had Albert Lanier. He's starting yet another sub stack, so this time he's doing a final cut film reviews, retro film reviews, and he thinks that look, there's a lot of people out there just spitting opinions, but they're not real film reviewers. So he's gonna do it his way and talk to him on Wednesday. And let's see who else did I speak to this week? Oh that's right, Jacob Hornberger. And you know, I allowed a completely oppositional point of view onto

the show regarding the Kennedy stuff. But you know what, I'm gonna start doing that a little more. Let's see what we do when we examine these opposing points of view. Is there something to be learned from Hornberger? Even though I disagree with him that the you know, the Zapruter film is a complete fabrication. I'm not entirely on the side of Doug horn obviously with all

that. But there are some oddities there. There's some strange things that happen regarding the film that are unanswered by the standard chronology and chains of custody that are laid out there. It is a weird thing. But do I think

the Zapruter film is a fabrication? Know? And you know, I got my reasons, and we'll explore all that and there may be a big feature actually at the Lancer conference this year regarding the legitimacy of the Zubruter film and maybe even some live debates, which ought to be interesting because I'm also getting ready to participate in that, and I did post in the chat room the thing about if you want a ten percent discount on tickets, either online or

in person, there will be a code. Now, the landing page is not ready yet, but the landing page, as soon as it's prepared, you'll be able to sign up and get a discount. I think it's Ocelly ten is the discount code to get ten percent off on your tickets. Let me double check that. Yeah, Ocelly ten. We'll receive ten percent off of the whole order whatever it is, your order from JFK Lancer, you

know, whether it's tickets or the in person conference or whatever. You know, your lanyard and your name tag, all that stuff coming in the package. Yeah, ten percent off. So why not if I can get you ten percent off do it? Anyways, there's that all going on, and that conference is still being planned and as of now I'm scheduled to be there. Is the MC again ought to be interesting. I look forward to it if it all does come to fruition. And I'm trying to invite some unique

individuals that maybe have never been to the Lancer conference before. So let's see if I can really mix it up anyway. We'll see how it goes. Maybe I'll get myself uninvited from now on. Who knows, who knows what will happen next, right, So stay tuned to that, and like I said, the Landing pay you'll be available shortly. Anyways, Aside from that, what went on in the news this week, Well, you know, if you're CNN or you're somebody who has about that amount of thought process connected

to what sort of news you seek. Nothing happened outside of Stormy Daniels, right, Trump in the description of him getting smacked on the ass with a magazine I think that was the was that the revelation this week or last week? It's all becoming a massive blur to me. Does any of this matter? No, is this going to change the outcome of the selection. No

other odd things happening though. You know, Biden made a declaration regarding Israel and if they invade one particular territory or whatever, Biden said that he might cut off some aid to them or something. And the Republicans utilizing guess what the precedent set by the failed impeachment attempt of Donald Trump to impeach him over the whole Ukraine thing. Say, well, you know what, we should

impeach Biden over this. And so there's been a couple of public statements saying that they're going to try and impeach Biden over this, and I'm sure there'll be about five or six other attempts to impeach them. But will any of that amount to anything? Uh, there's the ultimate question in my mind. But if you want to get away from politics, is there anything else happening in the world. Is there anything happening in your world you'd like to talk

about. I say you join us three one nine, five two seven, five zero one six. That's the number to call. And I absolutely welcome any topic of discussion you have on your mind, especially if it's relevant to the rest of us in the world. But hell, if you want to get on here and tell a personal story, I'm willing to sit back and listen. I'm sure b Pete would take a listen. Maybe we'll join in and comment on your latest debacle in your love life? How about that?

Are you having financial trouble? You know they're telling us the economy is improving all over the place, right, everything's getting better. Do you know where that is, guys? Because I need to move soon and I want to move to wherever it's working because it's not working too good for me. Also in personal news, well, yeah, I'm not going to go there right now, but who knows, maybe i'll have some personal things to report as of next week and and all that good stuff. Also, I'm looking to

take suggestions for stuff that you want played on the radio station. Since I did talk to the May Brussel Library people this week, it could be that I could start running regular rebroadcasts of May Brussel if you like. But I don't know if you guys want to hear that. Yes, some of it is dated, some of it is very interesting, especially when she was reporting on things that were occurring at the time with no Internet right, just her

correspondence, her own research, and her own open source intelligence. I've always found May Brussel fascinating and quite honestly, if you say about it, when it comes to alternative radio and podcasting and all that. Before there was a podcast, before there was online radio, before there was a Bill Cooper. Nineteen seventy one, May Brussel started broadcasting, and then she figured out a

way to distribute it, you know, analog style on cassette tapes. So I'm just saying, and I got a yes on the May Brussel archives in the chatroom right now, which, by the way, we do have a

live chatroom at Ocelli dot com. So if you're listening to us on your phones or your iPads or whatever, if you are not on the Ocelli dot com page, you can go there and just click on the chat Tango chat room, which is very basic, and get in on it and make text comments during the show if you like, and join in the fun that way if you don't want to call in. But again, that number three one

nine five two seven five zero one six. I'm getting tired of repeating it, and I think sometimes I wake up saying it because I repeated so many times on a Friday night. But anyway, BP, is there any key things that caught your attention in the news this week? I mean, I'm bored to death with the Donald Trump trial and every day they go, you know, blow by blow and everything and reporting on every little piece of minutia

allegedly all the testimony. Oh my god, it's controversial. And now Trump's going to come out and make his end of the day's statement, which every day is this is a witch hunt, this is nonsense. Well, and that's it, and you know, ridictable. We had one conspiracy theory that was blown out of the blown out of the water. That was the Stormy Daniel supposedly spank Trump with a copy of Forbes magazine. Oh and it was the one that had Trump and I think Trump and Avanka? Was it Avankas?

Anyway, it was him his wife's kid on the cover. But Forbes has come out and said no, that cover didn't come out until a couple of months after supposedly Stormy and Trump got together out in Lake Tahoe at a charity golf a bit so Oh that one's been put to rest by Forbes. Oh that's you know, that's really interesting because again we have a Mandela effect

connected to the Trump trials, right, because what's her name? Had a dressed that she was supposedly wearing when she was assaulted by him that wasn't released yet, right or am I forgetting something? Okay? So yeah, what's her name? The one that got all the money? Yes, supposedly it had happened wearing a dress that hadn't been designed for another two years. Egene Carol. Yeah, and here we go, Mandela effect, right, why not in another time. It's funny, though, we're just looking at the

NewsCap of what is going on in each trial we did. We did find out some interesting things about the document trial down in Florida. Apparently the FBI likes to take props with them when they go busting into somebody's place after they left town, and they take with them their own confidential and secret and secret cover sheets and they go find your stuff, and they take a few pages and spread it out on the floor and then put the cover seats all over

the place and take pictures and say, see what we found. Well, the judge found out that that's not quite the case, and apparently the FBI has been screwed with the evidence in that case. So it's been put on hold indefinitely until the judge can sort out a few things and possibly toss this one. It's just funny, you know. So you rely on the FBI, and everybody knows by now that the FBI is one of the least trusted

organizations of all the three letter departments our government. Has working. It's amazing. I don't know if they're the least trustworthy. I mean, they got a lot of competition, and and and you know, it's kind of funny because somebody bearing a striking and resemblance to myself had said many times in the past few months. As we do approach the year of the lawsuit, remember I told you, and we decided it would be the year of the lawsuit.

Maybe be Pete originated that phrase. I don't know, maybe somebody else did, but somebody on this show on a Friday night originated that phrase, and I absolutely agree with it. I concur So we're dealing with the year of the lawsuit that's happening, and guess what, They're all going to fall apart. Everything is falling apart, the case in Georgia, falling apart the case. And I'm being told it was you that originated at be Pete's so

full credit where it's deserved. The year of the lawsuit the phrase originated by b Pete on this show. But here we go, it's all going to fall apart, right, the Georgia case because the chick hires her boyfriend. She's got a grudge. Okay, in New York. They fabricated stuff, rewound stuff, massaged the statutes in order to get the thing rolling in the first place, and then we're going through all this stuff to make sure we

get Salatia's details again. I still find it hilarious that not only was the spanking pointed out, but the whole you know, you remind me of my daughter kind of thing that was put back. I mean, it's like it's just is this stuff all on replay? I mean, do they have no new material? I guess not. But all this stuff is going to collapse,

That's all I'm saying. I do have a question, though. You know, it's funny that we had Stormy Daniels on the stand for two days in the New York case, and you know, I'm still trying to figure out how putting a porn actress that apparently got paid one hundred and thirty thousand dollars for a one night's stand, which is if you go by the standard of her business, where you get paid per action that you participate in. To participate in, you know, the price goes up if you do one

thing. We give you five hundred for this film, you do this and this, we'll give you a thousand, you add that up, it might get up twenty five hundred bucks a film. And then you know, we don't know what kind of agreement you've got for marketing and all that. You're getting a cut on every unit that goes out the door. But in this case, she got paid one hundred and thirty foul after the fact and was

still shopping her story around. I'd be curious to know how much she actually made off this story over Trump, because you know she did when Trump got elected, suddenly she was back in the game. I mean, Trump was so good on unemployment, he put Stormy Daniels back to work. Got to give him credit there. Well, I'm just curious to know how much she made off this whole plane. Has she received any money from anyone else? Since the non disclosure agreement never was in effect, she still got the one

hundred and thirty thousand offering. I'm just curious to know how much she's made total off this deal. Well, I don't know, because she now owes him either a quarter million or a half million dollars in legal fees because she was assigned that penalty during another proceeding. And in addition to that, let's not forget Michael Abanati. So do we know that she actually received the money, because you know how it goes with these lawyers. She he might have

just stolen the money. And so maybe Abanati got paid as opposed to her. I don't know, you know, but her continuing to hustle. What are you gonna do? And I don't know anything about the porno payscale, but maybe we can explore that in the future show. Meanwhile, I do have a caller, and let's see. Oh, okay, I just want to I'm leaning over to get the area code nine one six area code.

So I'm gonna go to that caller and see what we get. And anybody else who wants to join us three one nine five two seven five zero one six. Maybe they want to talk Stormy Daniels. Maybe maybe, Oh, I'll tell you what. Let me ask this question right away, So call her. Do you know anything about the porno pays scale? No? No, okay, I just heyd took a shot. I try to stay with it from porn as far as I can. In the in the chat room, they say to me that the nine one six area code of Sacramento.

All right, Well, I guess so, uh it is? That is? That is my birthplace. It was raised just south of Sacramento. All right, so this is Danny, right, this is Danny yep right, Well, so Danny, I that was a joke question at the beginning.

I mean, obviously you could talk about well, but but if somebody does listen, if somebody doesn't know the porno pascale, please call in let me know, because I've only ever known one person that worked in porno, and I know that they weren't, you know, at the uh, they weren't at the upper echelon or the middle class of it either, but they were a pro and they did get paid, but it was nothing like uh, I don't think it was the kind of money that Stephanie whatever her name is,

stormy there. I'm sure it never reached that level. But I do know just what that one person ever got paid. But if somebody knows how that works, give us call and tell us. Educate us, let us know how it work. This is hilarious. I just google porn pay scale, okay, and the first thing that comes up is our famous ZIP recruiter. Now you've heard the ads, You've seen the ads on the online that Grudo Zipprecruiter does a pretty good job of placing people with employers looking for people,

and they have of their site salaries porn Star. As of May third, twenty twenty four, the average hourly pay for a porn star in the United States is twenty one ninety four an hour. Wow. Zip Recruiter is seen hourly wages as high as thirty one seventy three and as low as eleven fifty four. The majority of porn star wages currently ranged between seventeen thirty one to twenty six forty four across the United States. Now see, now that's

that's a rough average. And I don't know how reliable zip recruiter is because again I think you would have to compare Monster. And let's not forget that Craigslist for a little while was really doing a booming business hooking people up. And I know on Craigslist fluffers were getting paid that a few years ago. If you don't know what a fluffer is, I'm not going to tell you, go look it up. But anyway, just fluffers were getting paid twenty five bucks an hour. So I don't know, I don't know, Maybe

that's harder work than being on camera. I don't know how hard the work is. You know, well, look at that triple on top story here that actually that checks into it says poorn's dirty a secret when everyone gets paid. Oh boy, So they actually did an in depth study on this, okay, and it says it says, here's how things break down for a

traditional sex scene between a man and a woman. The average actress's compensation is typically between eight hundred and one thousand dollars, depending on the studio's budget. Top tier performers can earn as much as fifteen one hundred occasionally ten thousand, while newcomers with bad representation might earn us a little as three hundred dollars.

More extreme acts, as you might expect, command higher rates. The most extreme, unsuitable for describing in polite conversation, can go for eighteen hundred to twenty five hundred dollars. Oh all right, Well, the person that I knew then landed somewhere in between the unsuitable to describe in public actions and typical pay scale. Because but they were doing fetish videos. So I don't know if there's a difference between fetish videos and regular porn. Anyways, do I

want to talk about this all night? No, Danny, help me out, save me here, Uh give me something else I'm talking about. I wanna, I wanna. I want to save you that. Now you changed my whole train of thought. You talked about the airy comin one six. I grew up in a small farming community between Sacramento and Stocks and then out on one of his whole bunch of islands. It's called the Sacramento Sam Joaquin out and there was this farmer that built like this huge, like southern mansion.

It's called the Grand Grand Armand Mansion. Can look at it now. But I was taking a trip in the early eighties. My wife and I were newly married, were visiting her family, and it was a slot of strange situations happened at this Grandarland mansion. My father was he was the director of a small fire department, volunteer fire department, and the fire marshal start putting a lot of pressure on them to put like the kind of they would

have parties. They'd have these big parties. I heard like Fleetwood Mac was there, that Governor Jerry Brown was there. They'd have these parties. But the fire marshal was putting all this pressure on to shut these parties down, like you know, like just kind of kind of in and kind of harass them. Matter of fact, I remember they even came in subpoena my dad,

and then they got handed subpoena. They asked me my name, and sure enough I had my father's name, and they handed me the subpoena because when the first time they tried to handle my father, does you must be talking about my son? And then it came back and handed me the subpoena. Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait your father Hold on a second. So your father threw you under the bus when they came to subpoena him, Oh, you must be talking about my

son. Yeah, So I didn't want to let that pass. The same yeah, yeah, he had we had the same name, you know, and he told me, don't they're going to try to serve you, so don't take it well. As the gala, she had a British accent. She was, you know, probably six seven months pregnant, and she came to the front door and put it in my hand because are you yes, And I got the subpoena. You've been served, You've been served. Sorry, Yeah, I'm just picturing this happened in the seventies. Well, you

know what's funny is I got offered. I got offered a place to live in Sacramento a few years ago. A guy who was very much into the radio show. He had a property there in this trailer park, believe it or not, in a near Sacramento, which which which I guess was by a lake or something. There's some nice trailer park there by a lake, and these trailers, you know, they're not like the junkie things you see, you know that always get blown over every time there's a tornado. But

it was a fairly nice area. And the funny thing is he's telling me all kinds of wild stuff that goes on in this trailer park, and he's like, but don't worry. You could probably bring your family with you be all right, you know. But what he described there, I'm like, it's not exactly a family neighborhood. It sounds like a lot of a lot of people are just, you know, hanging out there all day and having a party sort of lifestyle. And I'm thinking, to myself, is Sacramento

a party town? Because I don't recall that so anyway, but but you're telling me this please continue after you got thrown under the bus by your dad. Yeah, yeah, it's truly. So they started doing some more investigating

and it went beyond the fire marshal. As it ended up, this was the dea putting pressure on the fire marshal and they were just kicking it down, down the can, down the road till it got to me, I guess, because then they wanted to put like, you know, capacity, you know, signs, and they were trying to say, hey, you know, it was poor for the decorum. But as in the middle of the island. I used to had a friend and I used to play around that mansion when I was a little kid. We played those pale orchards.

So this was in the late seventies. And then my wife and I my wife is from Texas. We got married and ended up taking a trip out to Texas for a couple of weeks. It was around Thanksgiving and I met my ex brother in law who he was quiet fan. I was quite perverted. So we took a trip down to Victoria, Texas, near the gold

from Mexico. There I got my two younger brother in laws and my other brother in law, Joe, and he was just while we're having a you know, cooking a you know, he was cooking a you know, wonderful cook cook a brisket. But you know he was putting these pornal movies in the in the v C on. It was kind of well, U suttling, But I mean I was a guest and I didn't want to be rude.

I was far away from home that wait a minute, wait any wait, wait, wait, wait day are you telling me like he's got like a family barbecue going on and he's like, well, let me drop something in the v c R and he's throwing porn. I mean, what is this guy trying to do? Set up for like a little incest gang bang here? Hey, well, I'll get everybody in the mood. Let's eat and enjoy and uh see if we can all swap partners around. I mean,

what is the deal? Yeah? I don't know what his deal was, but but but caught my eye and I couldn't take I couldn't stop watching. It wasn't the porn, it was where the one was taking place. And all of a sudden, my wife's kind of like, you sure are enjoying that they go, no, you need to look at this, because no, I don't want to look at No, you really need to look

at this. And I had to show her that where they're filming. This is at the Grand Island Mansion, the mansion where we had all the headaches, with the fire department, with the parties. Not only they were probably running drugs, but they were shooting porn, porn movies in there, and I like, this was the pair works. Yeah, this is a pair works. I knew well, but this was why he used to play as

a kid. And they were shooting the port and my life is you're right, you know, so I can never get that, you know, drive by that that's funny. You can't get those images out of it. That's really funny. But let me strange. It was really strange. Sure,

let me ask you. This Is this during a time I know, for a time period there there were laws against filming porno in California, which was weird because they used to have to like kind of do a gorilla style, which is why a lot of that stuff was shot in hotel rooms they you know, because they would just move from hotel room to hotel room. And is this during the time when that stuff was still like not legally acceptable in California. Because nowadays there's a whole you know, there's a whole thing.

You got to have people tested for diseases, and there's actually rules and regulations connected to the whole pornography industry in California. I know that I don't know all the details, but I know that goes on. Yeah, I really couldn't. I really couldn't tell you, but I do know that, like, there was a period you heard a lot of it came out of southern California, La acting. You know, everybody's trying to make it big in the movies. But if you don't, you know, you got to eat

I guess scenarios. But it was just it was just such a strange incident that all of a sudden, I just like, I'll tell some people that I know and that you will not believe. I was all the way out in Victoria, Texas, and guess what I found, see my perverted brother in law. Yeah, but here's the funny part. You're struck by where the location of the pornography is filmed. I'm still stuck on why you're having a family get together and putting on porn. I mean I I could never

imagine a purpose for doing that. Just okay, okay, you know, just just think of me. I am a cradle Cathoy sheltered. None of that was in our home. I mean it was a shock. Let me just tell you. It was a shock. And I just I don't know what his deal was. My two other brother in laws were you know, they were high schoolers, you know, they were they were then twalls, you know, but it was it was strange and it was uncomfortable. But it never went any far as the tither. But but he did make a

good discuit. I mean it was good and schechrisket I did. I did. That was probably my best memory of that. But this is this is the crazy part to me. Look a story. I mean I have heard stories from people where it's like they're in a room with a bunch of guys and for some reason, somebody puts on porno. You know, and I think to myself, do you consider the crowd that's around you when you decide

to do this? And what is your point? Now? I know sometimes people do this at parties, and you know they do it because they're hoping to encourage people to start pairing off and you know, getting wild and whatever. But when you got a family get together, you have figure unless people are looking to swap partners or or maybe they're looking to make incest porn, which apparently is a thing too from what I'm told, I don't know, Like to me, it's just that would be the whole bizarre. I would

not be able to get past that. I don't even know if I could have eaten the brisket or hung out through this, because I would have been like, what the hell are you doing this? Like is this is this what you do for everybody? Yeah? Yeah, I think I was traumatized. I had to compartmentalize. You know, I was just getting introduced to these people. But and this is early on in your relationship with her, Like I mean you had to be like in some sort of shock, like

okay, this was well she didn't. I mean, let me put it this way. We were, oh how we were around twenty years of age. I mean she came out to California, she was twelve, through a divorce, so this was her her half sisters, Okay, family, So I mean it was not it was not something that I don't think we really discussed it. It was just kind of like that was awkward, you know. So yeah, yeah, and how well? And how was the car

ride home? I mean, did you guys discuss this on the way home, because I can imagine No, No, it was actually like what was that? Like it was her? Yeah, it was. What happened was is we wrote down with them and there it was an eight hour drive from Dallas to Victoria and then her my wife's stepfather came in. He drove down and picked us up and tiled us back to Dallas. So, uh, now there was no discussion about it. Okay, fair enough, Danny.

I'm gonna put you on hold. I'm gonna come back to you and let you recatch, recatch your train of thought that I knocked you off on. But that's that is a hell of a story. And I guess I'll go to our next caller, and uh, I don't know. I guess I'll start with this question. I mean, incest porn yay or nay? Jimmy James, what do you what do you think? Is that not a weird scene? Family barbecue and hey, let's put some porn on the TV for everybody to watch. What do you think? Jim James, I don't know

what's going on. I don't know where you guys are ting. Well, I just we started talking about Stormy Daniels. Well, hang on, Jay, I'll tell you what happened. We were talking about Stormy Daniels because she was in the news this week and you know, salacious details, and b Pete said something about her getting paid and I said, well, I have no idea what the porno pay scale is. So b Pete started looking that up and the next thing I know is Danny called in and he said,

well, I had another thought. But I went to this family barbecue and my brother in law he made a great brisket or whatever, but he put Porno on the TV for everybody to watch while he was cooking the food. And I'm like, weird scene. You have a family barbecue and you're putting Porno on. I'm like struck by that. And then he's like yeah. But the weirdest thing is I realized where it was filmed, and it was

filmed at this place that I used to play at as a child. That was like this big mansion nearby and the orchards and all this, and I'm stuck on the weird scene where you have the family barbecue and you're putting porn on. What the hell? Anyway? You don't have to talk about any of that, Jimmy James, obviously, I just wanted to ask you the question what you thought about it? And I guess you're like, I don't know what's going on there, So what's on your mind? Okay, here's

my name said line? Are I'm coming in good? It's okay, we got we got that crackle on the line. But wait and hear you go ahead, all right, Michigan woman found living inside grocery store side a grocery store side. Okay, Uh, that's a hell of a headline. Do you do you have an article for that? Maybe you could post it in the chat room, which, by the way, b Pete, if you can post that, uh that pornopaescale article in the chat room too, I'll

grab those as links to the show. But so she's living in a grocery store sign. You want to give us some more details about this, Yeah, it's our reads. The woman was found living inside a sign on top of a grocery store recently, in a case that local police officer makes you stretch your head he said, the unidentified the woman who was homeless and not only been living inside the grocery store for a year, but she also had

a dast coffee maker, a computer and a printer. She was discovered on April thir twenty third with a contractors noticed someone was running an extension court up the world where there's a plug the wow. Wow. Okay, so she got noticed because of an extension cord because she had to have power for all her stuff, for computer or printer and everything. And she's been living in

this grocery store for a year. I guess so. And it says the signs five foot inch by food aided size, So she herself a little makeshift cab and I guess mmm, well, don't provide many pictures, which is above me. Well that's a pretty interesting story. I mean, look, you got to get creative when you got nowhere to go, right. Wow, that that is an interesting headline. But again, if you got that, I'll try and look it up, see if I can find a link

to it. What was it? What was it published in a local paper? There? You know it's sound fox news. I just posted it in the chair. Okay, you just posted it, all right? I'll go take a look. I want to look at this story myself, but it's in the live chatroom Attochelli dot com. For those of you listening who are not on my site, you can go there and you don't even have to sign in to observe it. But let's see Ohio church ordered to stop housing

homeless. That's one story that's there. Where's this one with the side. Let's see oh Michigan woman found living inside grocery stores signed with computer desk and coffee maker. Huh, that's pretty interesting. Yeah, I guess they got like a little homeless news page here at Foxnews dot com because there's a bunch

of homeless stories on this page. Looks like right, I didn't notice that, but could be have noticed on some of the other topics where there's so many stories constantly, they've just started making it a run, things like Trump's sleep ocases. Yeah, well, that's definitely CNN's preoccupation at the moment. Like literally, if you take a look at television listings, it tells you, now, the Trump trial coverage you know, for like six hours a day. Now, you know, like again they need them for content.

I'm telling you, I'm imagining. MSNBC does that, but I can't stomach those people, so I don't even look at their damn listings. But anyway, yeah, so this other thing here, Ohio church ordered to stop housing homeless. But yeah, there's a whole bunch of things on this page. So anyway, that's a crazy story. What are your thoughts about it, Jimmy, I mean, is this is this near you? Or is this is it anywhere close to where you live? Or is it far away that's

not too far? Well? Okay, well, have you ever seen this grocery store this sign yourself? I have. That's what drew my eyes. A well known chain. Oh, it's a well known chain, so you're familiar with the sign. And can you imagine somebody trying to live inside of the signs? I don't know's I think cases case, I don't know.

That's that's pretty creative, though, you got to say that. I mean, that's a lot better than a cardboard box and an alley, you know what I mean, or living behind a dumpster listening there a movie about this, or a woman that the walmarts just trying to be well. There were a couple of people that were found to be living somehow in the storage rooms

that you know, some of these giant, big box stores. A couple of times, I mean it doesn't happen all the time, but I mean a few times over the past say, twenty years or so, I think they've discovered some people that for a time had been living, you know, inside of some of these retail establishments, somehow avoiding the you know, the surveillance cameras and all that. I don't know how, but they do it. But this woman apparently was on the roof of the place. Huh.

I mean, is that where the sign is on the roof of the grocery store. Yeah, and there is. I mean, some con characters see typing typing up the roof side prior scene had gone up there, so with an extension, I don't know if she had like a ladder, well, it could have been that, or she could have just been you know, tie a string around it and pull it up kind of thing. Wow.

I guess you didn't know how to tap into the sign directly to draw the power off of that, because then nobody would have seen the wire, you know. But you know, there are many invisible parts of America where people exist or subsist somehow. And uh, there's an example. You never know you could you look at a big enough sign on top of a grocery store, somebody could be living in it. That's a that's a wild story,

man. Yeah, m disturb me. No, definitely, definitely. And look, anybody who wants to call in, maybe you've got a wild story near you or something that caught your eye. Three one nine, five two seven, five zero one six is the number to call to join in. So far, we've heard from Danny with his interesting barbiereq story and uh, Jimmy James with the woman living in the sign somewhere near him about an hour away from where he lives, but in his home state. Maybe you got

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now, second segment of the Friday Night Open Mic. And thus far, like I said, we got Danny and Jammy James have called in, but you could be the next caller three one nine five two seven five zero one six. And uh, just because we've we've been stuck on some pretty strange topics thus far, a lady living in a grocery store sign how much to porno actresses actually get paid? Uh, Danny's interesting description of discovering that they filmed stuff at a place he used to play when he was a kid,

and porno being put on at a barbecue. But we don't have to stick to these kind of topics. We could talk about anything. So three one nine five two seven five zero one six is the number to call or reach out to me Charles Dottocelli on Skype, and I'll get you in at least once during the show. Uh. And if you hang on, I'll bring

you back around for a second run after we discussed the first thing. You bring up, So, b Pete, anything you want to throw in here, my co host, my friend, my brother, anything on your mind

this week outside of what we've already gone over. Well, I was doing a little research on the on the pay aspect, and then when the story came up about the porn at the with the step family members and all in if you look at most porn sites that have been able to access in the past few minutes, it seems like step families all they do is have sex with each other, because that is one of the biggest categories on these sites. I mean, you type in step mom, you get one hundred and

seventy thousand videos. You type in hot step mom, you get one hundred and ninety seven thousand videos. So it's just amazing the popularity amongst the viewing public as to what they really like. Step mom is a big thing in porn. Hey, who knows, you know, I don't keep up with it. I gotta tell you, but I don't know that kind of makes sense. Well, you get, hey, when you throw a step in front of something, you get away from all the incest stuff because technically,

you know, they're not blood relatives. So I guess that's why it's such a big genre amongst porn sites and against officianoptopos that you know, purchase such things. Well, plus you know, you're going on their word for it too, right. I mean, it could just be a slightly older woman with a younger guy and they go, well, you know, this is the step mom, and what doesn't necessarily mean it is, right? I mean, oh absolutely, I would say that ninety nine percent of those videos

out there that yeah, it's you know, three people are hired. It's like, you're the pu pizza delivery guy. Here's your lines, you're the step mom, you're the step daughter. And then with the oldest porno store walks in, star walks in, it's like, okay, you're the step grandma. Go for it. I mean, it's you know, you just hand out titles. But it's amazing how popular a genre it is amongst all these sites. Yeah, a few years ago, somebody was telling me about

people out there. Yeah, a few years ago, somebody was telling me about how popular granny porn was. You know, I think I brought it up on the show because they were like, nah, man, you got to see there's like thousands of videos granny porn, and I'm like, granny porn, okay, But you you couple that with these stories that you occasionally see where you know you have a run of some kind of venereal disease amongst

a senior living center. It's it's kind of funny, you know people you know, yeah, they may be aged, but they're not dead yet. So I guess with viagra, anything is possible. Well a lot of times that's because there's like prostitution rings and stuff running inside of these retirement communities or facilities. Right. You know, sometimes these women they get they get a

little business going. It's their side hustle. So security doesn't quite cover everything they want, so they need to make a little side money and they got a little something to market. And you know, the eighty ninety year old guy is not exactly out there dating on the scene, but if he's still

got the ability, what the hell? Right? And that it reminds me of a Facebook post of a good friend of mine I've known him for years and years posted that Boobs approved that men can concentrate on two things at one time, and I typed it, Yeah, but at our age, sometimes one is enough. Yeah, well there you go. And that's the other thing too, is that Uh, it's just it's endless. What what you

know? There there are service industries out there because there is a demand for something, right, And that's what I was absolutely, you know, that's why I found it funny. I mean, I've read a bunch of stories where it was like, you know, the these rashes of VD ran through these communities, you know, and many times when they started tracking it down and trying to figure out you know, who was patient zero pretty much, and these guys were coming back reinfected after they had been cleared up. Uh.

Yeah, they discovered you know, prostitution rings. So you know, goes to show you, like you said, I mean, you know it might be old, but not dead. And I'll tell you something else. It guarantees you, whether it's granny porn or it's grand hooker or whatever, one thing is for certain. You're not gonna get busted for anything statutory or you know, having some illegal pornography if you're shooting at the granny porn stuff, right, because you know, definitely not underagal. Well if you're shooting

you know, well now wait a minute, if you're shooting porn. See that was that was one of our great court settlements from years back. You know, you can pay a prostitute and be illegal and go to jail and go to jail. If you pay somebody for sex and film it, that's considered art and that's covered under the First Amendment. So you know how many of these video production places are actually you know, hooker rings. If you

think about it, it's a legal way to do it. It's funny though, you know, we consider something art it's covered, but a good old commercial transaction is frowned upon, you know, and the hookers pay taxes. So I don't understand. I don't understand the discrepancy there. I've never understood

that. I figure service is rendered or services rendered. So whether you're raking the lawn or you're mowing the lawn, it doesn't matter, right, I mean, you're getting paid, and you're getting paid because you're providing a service. Isn't this you know, the American way? I mean, there's no difference. I would think there's a difference between you know, laying the carpet

punching the carpet. Either way, you're right, it's a service, and throw a tax on it like they do in this state of seven percent sales tax make it legal. Well like also even with these massage parlors that get busted every now and then. Now I'm not talking about the ones where they got you know, captive women that are trafficked. But I mean if you've got fully voluntary you know, massage people that are there to relax you and get you to well, maybe that's a form of relaxation too. I mean,

so what is the issue. I don't know. I never understood this. It's always like rubbed me the wrong way if you pardon the punt. Well, if you look at Europe, you know, most European countries you go to, this is like Germany. I mean they had you have your local what they call houses of ill repute that are legal and it's all permitted and it's all checked by the government. They have to go through health screenings

and things like that. You know, they legitimize the business. In fact, in Switzerland they had voted to build partitions for parking for street workers so that they would have somewhere to go to apply their trade and then they're back out on the street. So you look at you know, Europeans view of sex as being a legitimate business. And here it's amazing that with all the progressives that we've got screaming around the United States that we haven't been able to

be more progressive in some commercial avenues. Yeah, it's a weird thing. It's like, in some ways America is the most decadent nation on the planet, and in other ways, like we're the most repressed. I never understand that weird mix, you know. Anyway, whatever I say to adults, whatever arrangement they come to, it's between them, you know, and leave

it at that. Again, I'm not for trafficked women or you know, the abused or pipped out women that are screwed up and all that stuff is horrible, But I think you can avoid that if you have a regulated sort of business that's out front, you know, if you don't hide him in the dark, then they these kind of things can't go on, I'm thinking. But that's just me. Let's get back around to our callers, because let's see, Danny's still on the line, also Jimmy James. But new

callers welcome at any time. Three one nine, five two seven five zero one six. And maybe Danny's got some other story to tell us or something else on his mind, so let's go to him. Danny, you got something else on your mind. I'm trying to get back on track, and sure ship to be back in those spots I want to go, Yeah, if you put some May Brussel on, I've always found her interesting. I mean, like I said, I remember when Martin Luther King was assassinated.

I remember when Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated, And I remember the local college paper always had ads in the back saying I was a teenager saying that CIA killed JFK. And then I discovered May Brussel in the eighties late night, and I always found her really interesting. So she always piqued my interests. And when I hear any of the archive material, I find that I sometimes learned something and I find it interesting and causes me to think. So

I would appreciate any of that type of gendre. Well, I'll start adding them. I mean, did do you ever listen to the radio stream that I have, because you know, I have it all up on the radio apps and all that a Chilly dot com radio and it runs twenty four or seven with replays in my show Aaron Shows, and uh, you know whatever

else it is we happen to be running at the time. Uh. I also have a couple of things that come in each week from a few other contributors, but I was thinking of adding some of my shows just to the rotation to the mix, uh randomly. So I guess your your your vote is yes on May Brussel. Yes, excellent. Okay, well there you go. I think I'm gonna start doing that this weekend. Yeah. Good. And then another thing too, you were talking about, you know,

the economy and the cost of living. The FBC Leavic Calm I think has done an outstanding job. I mean, I wish she had more teeth. There there was a we're doing an investigation with price fixing, uh, with with the oil. There's a there was a merger I think it was Exxon and Pioneers where they shale companies, and they've got all the emails and messes, so it was seems like there was a lot of collusion with a lot of Saudi oil interest to keep the production because the demand is keeping the price

up be where they get these record profits. They have laws in the book that it's criminal for here in the United States. But once we got you know, crosses overseason four and I don't know how how it you know what you know, any heat, let's how to how to curtail that? Except you know, give it some competition. This is just my thoughts. Yeah, well, Excellon Mobile has a really interesting track record when it comes to

this kind of stuff. Like you know, I don't know if you remember, but Rex Tillerson, when you know t rex On there was part of the cabinet in Washington. You know, nobody cared, but I brought it up. You know, this was a guy who definitely had cut some interesting side deals with the Russian oil companies. And I knew that because again I had worked for Exon Mobile and you know, initially I worked for Exon before

they merged with Mobile. And that was a whole other weird thing they pulled off where you know, they had to actually they were demanded they had to sell off part of their assets to a company that was called Tasco. It was strange because the company in and of itself did not have enough money to purchase these assets, even at a fire sale price. So in a weird thing that went down, like Exon loans, Tasco the money to buy their assets, right, so they wound up holding the note on the loan and

transferring over these assets and cutting down on their retail establishments. Supposedly and becoming, you know again even even larger player on the global oil scale. And I found it, you know, like again I was working for him, and I'm looking at it going this just doesn't even seem like this encourages competition anywhere. This seems like this is how you kill competition. But they cut

a side deal with the Russian companies. And the next thing I knew is the Russian companies had all kinds of very interesting contracts to you know, like say run like when you when you have a certain portion of a state highway or an interstate highway, even like I ninety five, right, B Pete knows about I ninety five. But when you get into Jersey, we call it the Jersey Turnpike. Now there's only one kind of gas station that's on

the turnpike or the parkway in Jersey. There's a singular contract. And at one point Luke Oil was the only company allowed to be on those highways. And it just made for really interesting like locked in monopoly where they had guaranteed customers because of their because of their location, and because of their you know, the singularity that they were allowed through these contracts. And my understanding was that Exxon Mobile assisted them with getting that done, and it was like it

was the weirdest thing. And then even at a certain point, like Shell is a completely different company from a totally different part of the world, but it seemed like they were all colluding with one another to make sure that, you know, the top five oil companies remain the top five oil companies globally. I mean, that's just the way it is. And I don't think anybody you know, does anything about it. It just is what it is.

And then people want to complain about the price. But if all you have is the same five companies that have been here through every single one of these you know, supposed crisises and different things that have emerged, you know, supposedly global conditions have caused this, and that it seems like if it's the same companies that are always there and it's the same companies that you know, I don't know, there is something in the equation there that just doesn't

seem f or right. And God help you, I don't think you could create competition at this point to get in on that business. Now. You know, some people would say, well, environmentally, maybe it's better,

you know, let the dinosaurs eat their own tails and everything else. But I don't know, man, It's just one of those things where it's like their business practices combined with the way that they manipulate the market, seems like it does not get as many complaints on the global scale as you would expect. But maybe it's just me, Danny, I don't know, what are

your thoughts? Well, no, no, no, I I my thoughts is I remember walking in the dark, you know, I think it was seventy three when nineteen seventy three opeck, you know basically cut us off and that changed it where we had to drive fifty five and we were started to you know, you know, consume them less. But then Iran turned on the sticket for us and I was working in a gas station when basically the

Islamic Revolution happened and prices doubled overnight and there was gas lines. And then you remember in the early ages, Texas, you know, sponsored you on the TV show Dallas. You know, they're making all these oil millionaire until Saudi Arabia started flooding the world market and they had cap all their oil oils and caused the recession in Texas. And then remember the Gulf the second floor. W was saying, Hey, you know we're going to take the oil.

We don't. This won't cost us anything that you know, the oil is going to pay for it. That never happened. So some of the manipulation is true because some of these wars, maybe just keep them and sanctions, just keeping the oil in the ground, and then also kill them off alternatives. I mean, I have the vulcle for Wacked, you know, retire he passed away. But we've had hydrogen for decades. We have the technology. It's the most abundant element of the universe. Done right, it

would be cleaner and more plentiful. That's just my thought, my opinion. Let's create some competition now, I hear you. And meanwhile we're stuck with freaking Elon Musk. Anyway, Danny, I'll put you on hold. Maybe I'll come back around to you again. Uh, I don't know. You know, I'm sure Jimmy James has something else on his mind, So let's go to him next and again, anybody else who wants to join in in the conversation. Anight three one nine five two seven five zero one six is

the number to call you guys. Hear the Jimmy James crackles, so you know he's on the line, Jimmy, anything else on your mind besides the lady who was living in the sign these days? Oh, I'm sorry, breaking up pretty bad. Uh yeah, Well there's a bit of a connection issue between us now for some reason. But go ahead, try to get

something else out if you want. Okay, remember a couple or a few weeks ago when Doug Campbell of the Dallas actually called in and mentioned that document, that he was going to have a show on that document and involving Lieutenant Colonel Proudy. Remember that, Yeah, I think you did right. What happened? Well, did you guys? Did you Bep and Dan If? He said, I don't know if he's interested in the jfk assassination, but I don't know if you guys listened to the show and read and hear about

the document, and I wanted to hear your opinion on it. I'm not caught up on what Doug and you know what, Oh good god, what Doug and Rob are doing right now, I'm not caught up with it. I've actually been working on some other things in the past few weeks, so I have not caught up with them, and I've been doing some other eating trying to catch up with some authors and some new people that I'm going to bring on the show. So I've been stuck on that a bit, and

I have not caught up with Doug. Did he do a show on it yet? Yeah, he did do a show on it and had the document and everything. BP. Did you see the document and or hear the show and what's your opinion on it? No, I've straight up I've passed three weeks. I've not had a chance to look at even except the weather to try to keep up with stuff. That's something I need to do is go through and catch up with Robin, Doug and all the others out there that

have been adding some stuff to it. Can you brief us on the document? What's contained in it? Yep, here's a real quick summation. A bunch of it's totally wided out except for a last word, and then there's a bit about Okay, of course we all know who Festerwald is, right, Yeah? At fencher Wald yep, Yeah, Bernard fincher Wald. The odd thing is he's writing Breckenrich, Who's who was the cia IG from its

beginning until he died in like seventy two or three. And so he's writing Breckenrich and he mentions that he's bringing I would assume whoever they were talking about in the whited out part, and he asks if it's all right if he brings a man called L. Fletcher Proudy, And that's pretty much the document. What wasn't he the deputy in ig? Right, because you're talking about Scott Breckenridge, right, this guy was No, he was the I G from the CIA's inception to the day he croaked. Hmm, let me take

a look at which was a too long apes. Actually, yeah, the guy I'm thinking of I think died in the late nineties. Right, Oh, that can't be this guy. This guy died in nudge seventy two. Oh okay, maybe maybe I'm thinking of a different different but I know there was an IG named Breckinridge who yeah, let me let me take let me just look that up. C I A I G C I A Breckinridge.

Well, Doug's conclusion is is that it was. But his conclusion is I believe that fester for Festald, but fester Wald and El Fletcher Proudy were pretty much meeting to get their orders because they were disinformation agents. Whereas, given the time period in nineteen seventy two, I think because fester Wald was an attorney, he was probably working with Proudy on his book The Secret Team, and figured he could kill two birds with one stone by getting permission for Proudy

to print that book. And then there's the part that's all blacked out. But at the time Festivald had some interesting clients like James McCord for instance. He could have been the one coming to dinner. No interesting stuff. Let's see we got Scott D. Breckinridge joined the agency in nineteen fifty three. Where is this That joined the Central Intelligence Agency in nineteen fifty three and served

for twenty six years. During the time, he served as the CIA's briefing officer for the White House Staff, liaison with the Australian Intelligence Services, a member of the Special Policy Staff in Washington, and spent sixteen years on the staff of the CIA's Inspector General, the last six of which were spent as Deputy Inspector General. Twice he was assigned as a special liaison officer with Special

Congressional Investigating committees. Breckenrich received the CIA's highest award, the Distinguished Intelligence Medal, two times during his service. He retired from the CIA in nineteen seventy nine and taught at the Patterson School of Diplomacy and International Commerce at the Universe. Then I must have I must still have gotten the name wrong, because the dude definitely died because I checked after he mentioned it. Okay, No, definitely died. Two or three? All right, Well, let's look

right real quick. Yeah, take take a look, because this is Scott D. Breckinridge. And it could be there's more than one Breckonridge. And I think there is u that that might have served as an ig or in some capacity. And if I go over to yeah, if I go over to Carmine site, let's see. The son of Scott and Gertrude Beckenridge was born during nineteen hundred and seventeen among the Washington, DC area. The family moved to midst. But let's say nineteen fifty three was employed by the Sea.

It's the same guy. Nineteen fifty three was employed by the CIA is a briefing officer. During nineteen sixty two, Breckenridge joined the Inspector General's office and he was later the agency liaison with astral Ye. It's the same guy that Carmine has on his site, so I don't know, maybe you got a different guy in mind there. Put the link to Carmine's site in the chatroom at a chilli dot com for you guys if you want to follow up on that anyway. No, I gotta tell you I'm not read in on

this, so I'm not fully aware of the of the evidence. But the idea that Proudy, you know, might have been a disinformation agent, Yeah, that's probably pissing off a whole lot of people. So uh, maybe it's time I get dug on as a guest. Huh. Which, by the way, I don't know if you noticed, but I did get the archivist on this week for the May Brussel Library project. Did you notice that

I have not yet. I've had a rough week. My dog had to get well as we had treat tumors and it's that their reg that's rough well anyway, Jimmy James not. I mean, I wish I could offer you more on that, but I don't. I don't know enough to offer more on it. It's uh an interesting thing though, you find out over time that a lot of people who appeared to be, you know, on the right side of things, uh, in the search for truth, we're not

always exactly as advertised. So I would not be surprised if, yet again we find that, uh, you know, somebody was not necessarily on the right side of things, even though they were out there claiming to be in search for the truth, you know, I mean it's uh, it's possibility, yeah, that that best best during the wall. Another interesting client he

had at that time was that butter Field guy from Water Day. Also oh yeah, Alexander Butterfield, right, the guy who you know is credited with alerting people that there was a taping system at the White House, right while that she didn't help them. It's deemed pretty much Dean. Yeah, I think that was Dean. It's exposed it. But Butterfield, as I understand, it's the one that talked Vincent and did stall him the damn thing to

begin with. Yeah, I think. But interestingly, yeah, I think Butterfield's testimony was you know, also this interview might have been about was the fact that at that time, remember Lieutenant burn Old Prouty was saying Butterfield is a CI agent, which everyone listen, and he might have been meeting with the IG about that old thing. Because then all of a sudden, Elf Fletcher proud Nah, I mist identified Butterfield. Well, you mean Fencerwald,

not Butterfield, right, you mean Fenser Wald. He's saying he misidentified Fencer Wald. No, L L. Fletcher Prouty at the time of Watergate named in a magazine Butterfield is a CIAgent. Well, and now I'm saying that at this meeting, maybe he was meeting with you know, maybe the IG, maybe because it's illegal to expose an agent. But how there's a lot of weird crap going on. Then the problemise is that the acts write it

out right. Well that that always sucks. But I just posted in the chat room the congressional testimony with Butterfield over Watergate, because like I said, I'm pretty sure they credited him with first letting the public know that there was the taping system there, and then I think Dean added on afterwards to the whole thing. But you know, my memory could be a little bit off on this. It's been a little bit of time since I did any deep research on it. And I think the last book I read on it was

a couple of years ago. What do you call it? What is the guy's name? He's a prominent writer. Anyway I read I read his book on Watergate, and I didn't know what to make of it, even some of the stuff he was talking about. But yeah, and here's a good one for Danny to take off with the Piso may Bro And this is very count reverse shield verus seal. This is the big one. This is what she called the octopus in the early sevenes. I want to get his take

on it. Well, yeah, generally she described things as an octopus. She had a lot of interesting descriptors for stuff that was going on back then. I think it would be oh, no, she took she pretty much took this from that speaker of the house that Crashton, Alaska. But I

want to get his take. Are you aware of the genieology records which didn't the World War two Nazis, the actual Nazis collected the genealogy of every one in Europe for seven generations in these records to the Interpol ended up to Jay Edgar Hoover, and then from him it ended up to Matthew Matt Matt to all the guy that cooked up the CIA with Roselli and then ended up to the so called Q's Corporation, which by that time was just a CIA corporation

anyway, and they worked with a certain religious Organiza should destroy these documents and caves out west and you know, like Utah, and all of a sudden, now this religious group has a genealogy business on the side. Do you think of that? Dan? Yeah, that's interesting. All right, well we'll ask Dan about that. Let's see. Uh, I'll put you on Olden see what Dan's got to say. And meanwhile, anybody else who wants to join in three one nine zero one six, that's the number to call.

Hey Dan, yees? Yeah, did you hear what James is saying? Good? I heard what he said. I wouldn't call myself an expert in anything, but over years of reading and you know, reading like Reinhart Galen's biography and everything, you know, she claimed a lot of the RSS was influenced a lot by the by the Nazis, So it kind of makes sense. I mean, I don't you know, there may be some holes in it, but I think it should be all explored, you know,

It makes a lot of sense, especially with the ancestry. If they're going back seven generations, you're trying to you know, check everybody's gene pool for particular reasons. Wasn't that kind of what the Nazis were doing. Yeah, well, there's a whole lot of stuff to that, and with Galen and and and everything. You know, the legend I think is larger than the

reality. But some of the stuff that we've we've gotten a hold of and believe it or not, through the JFK Records Collection Act, has revealed a lot of weird things that were carried on by the CIA, you know, long after World War Two was over that that seemed really really strange some of the people that they thought about bringing into the organization or utilizing intelligence from.

You know, like in the old days, people would say, well, they wouldn't just bring in you know, these mentally unstable people into the CIA.

In their own documents, they're saying that they are you know, people that they said were paranoid and you know, clearly disturbed, but had good information they were utilizing them bringing them in, I mean, and they were still talking about it in the sixties, which you know, in some of these memorandums that you know, loosely have something to do with the Kennedy administration.

So they ended up being dumped into the files. And I remember doing a show on this with Carmine where we talked about, you know, the the very odd assets that the CIA decided to utilize and you know, beyond, we talked about the mk Naomi project and uh, not not the one, it's not pay per clip, but there was a whole other thing, uh, recruiting other European uh uh, you know, former assets for different fallen regimes that the CIA is laying out plans for which you know, and

and then these things go, yeah, good, consider the source. You know, you've got some Yeah, these agencies have been bringing in deeply disturbed individuals for a long time, mainly because you got some deeply disturbed individuals that are running the thing. You know, you go back and look at some of the background of the people that we've you know, that have been put in these positions. We're being we're being challenged by a bunch of internal nut

jobs, have been for years. It's still taken I mean to this day, we still got disturbed individuals run in all of these three groups. Oh no, no argument for me. But it's just that these people that claim it to be like, you know, a boy Scout type organization, and you know that, you know, it's like, dude, really take a look at their own internal memorandums about this. They're not looking to and they clearly say, we will recruit criminals. We don't care you know, what

their background is. It's just if they're useful, they're useful. And if they're not, they're not. And that's all there is to it. Because you know, the claim about look Oswald was a loser, he didn't have any discernible skills, the CIA would have never had interest in him. Well we know that's a lie now too, you know. And I'm not saying that he was a CIA agent or you know, some people want to make him into James Bond for Christ's sake, But the thing is to say that

he was excluded from consideration is absolute nonsense. Because they were taking in people that they knew were paranoid, that they knew were oh Man, pedophiles, that they knew were drug addicts. They care different criminals that they employed, you know, if they needed them, especially when they wanted to encourage you know, terrorist acts and stuff, which they laid out in their assassination guide when they were dealing with Central and South America. That thing is is awfully

fascinating if you read through that. It's a whole how too. Well, Look, you can hire me practice. Yeah, it's it was standard practice back at that time. You you employ assets that you know have flaws that can be utilized against them, or can be utilized to discredit them if they ever decide to blow the whistler or make a statement on something and let something slip or make a claim. Look, this guy's a deranged nut job. I don't know what he's talking about. You know, we dismissed everything that

he says. So it's a convenience as well as a I mean, it's something that they look for. Yeah, it's a burncart it Look, it's it's very simple strategy. You just laid it out perfectly. If you've got a guy working for you, and there's one hundred different ways that you can

make them look bad, but he's useful of getting certain activities done. If he decides to turn on you and go to the cops because you're involved in some criminal thing, right and he goes to the cops, you can go to the cops and say, look, the guy's a drug addict, he's a liar. You know, I tried to help him out or whatever, but I'm not involved in all this stuff. Maybe he is. You can turn it over and if you, you know, give the appearance that your

hands are clean, you can just turn it back on them. So, of course you're going to recruit people that are damaged or problematic in one way or another. So long as they're controllable, that's the only issue is can you control them enough to direct them to get the job done. That's the only issue. And that's what they and they say it repeatedly, basically every time they do one of these evaluations or they talk about these different assets.

And in some cases we didn't know who they were talking about with the kryptonyms until very recently, but I mean, you can see him discussing these different assets of this guy who is under this code name. You know, he's a problem, but it's okay, we can control him right now. And it didn't matter if they were working you know, in the Congo, or

if they were working in Central America or you know, wherever. It doesn't matter, so long as they have somebody they have control over, and they can utilize even some of the negative characteristics that you know, you might not want to even hire them to paint your house, considering that they're a little bit off. You know, you don't want them around your family or anything.

But they're useful when you got to, you know, commit some murder, some mayhem, some drug dealing, whatever, no problem, and then you have an automatic burn card on them. Look, the guy's convicted pedophile. We know that. You know that. Here it is, you know, no problem using them whatever, or maybybe he's paranoid, maybe he's you

know, mentally disturbed. Of course they recruit people like that. I've never understood people who say that where it's like these agencies would never, you know, recruit somebody who is you know, this deranged or has these sorts of problems or come on. Some current examples. We've had some very recent examples. One of them was what's his name, Steele, responsible for the dossier

that started all the Russian collusion probe. You know, that was somebody who was hired by Hillary Clinton's crew for her election, and they paid for it through the lawyers it got a bunch of stuff stirred up three years of turmoil in this country during an election. But they hired this guy and then you know, he was a he was an asset for the CIA, and then they turn around and try to discredit him and pull him off the payroll,

but yet he was still paid to do these other things. Another example here recently is the gentleman that was supposedly whistle blowing on Hunter Biden and the Parisma deal in the Ukraine. The guy who made certain statements that kind of nailed

down the case here. Once the world gets win that this guy was involved in this stuff, suddenly it's put out there that well, he's not an asset that we can trust, and they go and indict him while he's out of the country, and they you know, suddenly there's a man hunt on for this gentleman who was responsible for all of the statements that Trump based his story on for Ukraine. This guy can't be believed. So here's a perfect

example. He was useful when it came time doing the investigation in the background work over in Ukraine. He had the connections, he knew what was going on. The guy's an Israeli asset as a matter of fact. And then once everything is leaked out and it's based on this guy providing information to certain departments, Boom, his name's in public. We burn him. Now, now we go and and we indict him for false information. So now we've

dirtied him. In the media world, nobody will ever, you know, put any if you know, they won't put any weight in anything that he has said because he's now discredited. There's very recent examples. You know, it's going on to this day. We're going to find out about some whistleblower or somebody who was working in the background of some other event, and he's going to be discredited. That's the way it works. Yeah, but that way until the end of time. But that's the cycle no matter what.

And it doesn't matter if it's politics or you know, I'll give you another weird example. Even that guy who went out there and you know, for whatever reason, started talking about well, look we we we have these alien programs and all this stuff. Right, and the guy had legitimate ends with various departments in the government, and he made some pretty wild statements before Congress in public. Right, So what did they do next? Now, this

guy's got no connection anything. You know, why are they blowing him up literally because they're trying to hide what he said. No, they're they're dirting him up for some other reason. And that's the other thing. It's a big chess game. Just because they discredited him doesn't mean that he was always a liar and doesn't mean that that's really what the problem is. You know, It's just like with that Steele dossier. The guy was legitimate with with

you know, five different agencies. Uh, but then he's not. So what are you telling me here? You know, exactly where does it begin and end? Oh? I see. When it's useful to you, then it's all legit. When it's not, then nothing is legitimate. And if you come out and you try and say something against what the agenda is currently, well then we're gonna just you know, crush you. I mean, I don't know, I don't know why it is. People don't recognize the

patterns. This is the way it rolls exactly well, and that's something I don't understand. With the damn JFK record Steel, I mean, you know, everybody said for years and years all there's people still alive that'll be affected by whatever they let loose, so that that's why they're you know, still

holding part of and it's classified. We've had so many things declassified over the past thirty years, you know, recent stuff that we have found out about, and nobody's ever held accountable, nobody's ever gone after Oh what about this? You know you did this back in nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, oh, well that's old news. You know, we brought that up back then and disgusted. I really don't understand what it is that is keeping them from

releasing the rest of these damn files. Who is it that's still alive that's going to be hauled into court or there's going to be so much everybody knows the government is corrupt. Everybody knows well, I say everybody, the majority of people that have studied the JFK thing over the years, no good and well that it wasn't one guy that was too big. It was too big of an operation for one guy to pull it off and be in the right place at the right time to do all that was done supposedly, So who

is it that is still going to have to suffer? Why can't we get these damn things released? Especially since we have had court orders saying, okay, put it out there. Well, here's the state get But they put that little caveat where the president has the ability to override any decision on a document that's been in the archives now for over what sixty years? It's time to go ahead and get it out there. Yeah, because legitimately any methodology

that was employed at that time is gone. Anybody that but I've stated this many times, believe it or not, there is still classified information regarding what happened to Abraham Lincoln. Okay, so that tells you the whole story. They will never release everything. One. Two, here's the fun part. I think at a certain point, the people that even know what is actually dangerous because of the way all this stuff is stored and encrypted and you know,

tied up with other things. I think the people that actually knew what was doing dangerous are no longer even around. So you as no young people that have no clue that are now in these agencies that have just taken the position of let's just resist releasing everything, and that's it. I tell you what, it wouldn't It wouldn't do for me to be elected, because that's been one of the first things I set up. We're gonna have a weekly

broadcast and we're just gonna document dump on you folks. You're gonna tune in every Tuesday at eight o'clock to see the president sitting behind his desk going, Now, did you hear about this one back in such and such such and such when we overthrew blah blah blah. Guess who the guy was? It was the valet for the individual that we targeted. And here's the source. Okay, put that on the bed. Now, what's up next? And

just go through the files. You'd be great and just make it a weekly a weekly podcast from your president trying to you know, straighten out history for you. Here's the documents, here's what we got, here's who was involved. Look, we all do what you want to do with that information. A weekly podcast. You could chisel off just a little bit of what they give to PBS every year and run it straight through NPR. No problem, right, might as well allow No we broadcast MPR because they want to put

their little spin on it. No, we would do it. You know, we just sign a contract with iHeartRadio, you know, the President's podcast, and go from there. No, that's fine too. You know, and also why not book of the months too? You know, look, you want the documents here they are book of the month. Here's a book of documents every month if you want them. Here's the you know, here's the release list, and we'll put that on the front cover. Just to

tell you what's in the damn book. You know, no cover art, just a list of what the hell's in the book on the cover. I do the book. I'm just curious as to who's ass they're covering for inept two? Who is the main We all know Hoover was inept. He ran his own little political game, and you know he had he had a background information on everybody that have blackmailed the world. We know about a Dullars, we know about all of these politicians, We know about j LBJ and his

shenanigans. We know so much to know that there's so much corruption in it. How bad is it going to be to know just how bad the corruption is. I just don't understand it. And why people don't demand you know, it's time to start throwing back the veil, knocking the dust off this stuff and clearing the damn record. Well, we are demanding it constantly.

We are asking for it. We are requesting it. We are you know, every which way you can go here, and quite honestly, the only way you're going to do it is it is legally, and that's going to take years. I mean, look at how long they've been fighting court over documents. It's the only way that you can get a wedge in to get the lid off. And then once you get the lid off, they still

put these damned caveats in there. Although you know it's up to the discretion of it shouldn't be up to the discretion of anybody except the archivist to put it online, scan it, and post it, plain and simple. That's the rules. I hear you. Look, I would love to see an overall sunshine, you know, just mechanism put in place, get it done. You know, everything that's fifty years old or older done, because there's no reason. There's absolutely nobody being protected at that point. There is no

methodology, there is no individual being protected. I don't get it. You know, when they say, oh, it's about you know, assets and methods, you know methods. Come on, what method were you using in nineteen sixty three that you're still using. We don't know about you know, and what are you still using? What could you possibly reveal that was being used in sixty three that you know people haven't imagined know about already, whatever is not in use? Come on? And who would be alive if you

were twenty years old? Okay, if you were twenty years old in nineteen sixty three, or you were twenty five years old in nineteen sixty three, you were a fresh agent with the FBI, with the CIA, with any of these organizations, you are at least eighty five years old. Now if you're alive, right, And any of these guys who are in their forties or fifties or whatever long dead, it's over. They're not over one hundred

years old, So what are you doing? But it just continues on and on, And I think it continues for the sake of continuing, and I think that nobody is at this point aware. And I think the weirdest thing is that it could be the big secret. And I've always felt this way, is that our government doesn't know what happened at the end of the day, with all the agencies, all the investigators, all the inside dope, all of the surveillance, all of the opening your mail, all of the

treking and tracking and having alerts and following people around and everything else. Guess what, I think at the end of the day, they might know what happened in certain amounts. Yeah, I really feel that way. That might be the weirdest and ugliest secret of all is that all these people were employed to you know, be aware, to prevent things, to make sure that things ran right and everything else. And guess what, they missed it so

badly that they don't know. How about that? Would that be a shocker for the world or not? What do you think? I don't know if they were involved, how do they not know? Well, that's the thing is that, you know, the majority of them would not know. I don't think you have a massive conspiracy, like I'm not. You know, there are people that are like, oh, you needed hundreds of people to get I don't think so. I think a small group. I don't know

how they kept it, you know, compartmentalized. It could be that some of these things have leaked out and they've gotten so mixed up with all the rest of the monk that it's lost now. But I mean, at some point, you know, I think that officially, like the people that ended up inheriting all these offices, document collections, stuff that they were supposed to get. I think none of them actually, Like, if you had to ask the head of the CIA today what their role was in sixty three,

he would not know. I think the historians at the CIA do not know what the role was. I think that they're discovering things as we discover them, believe it or not. I really feel like at a certain point that there is a massive, huge part of this bureaucracy that's holding back these documents that really legitimately does not know what happened, you know, And I think that would be the ugliest thing of all. But you know, but I'm

a weirdo. You know that I always think of things in an unconventional way. So it is my it is my thing. So look, we got about seventeen minutes left. What should we do with our remaining seventeen minutes? Be Pete, what do you think? I don't know? We can uh, who's still on the line. We still got Danny and UH and and Jimmy James. Danny's line is open, Jimmy James is still on the line, and nobody else is certainly a question we can put to them do they

think that we'll ever find out? And do they think the government knows? How about that? Okay, so Danny, your your line is open. I believe what are your thoughts on that statement? I just made what what about that idea? Oh my experience in life, I just see so much incompetency. You know, they you know, it's like any investigation. You know, it was messed up from the start, you know. So that that's the way I see it is you've got to have somebody that has the

insights that they're going to gather the evidence. So I think you're right, they probably don't know because they're too incompetent to actually put it all together. I mean, I mean, I read Earl Warren's biography and reading it through and I was just waiting to get to the to the to the part about the whole commission. And that was the biggest anti clematic chapter I've ever read. It was it was just pitiful. It basically said Earl Warren didn't really

want to push anything because he had such empathy for Jackie. It was. It was the rest of the book I thought was good, but that was just horrible. So I think they're in, they're just incompetent. They don't want to know. Yeah. No, I think Earl Warren probably that was an honest answer. He didn't know much and he didn't want to know much. Yeah, I think that's what it came down to. And that's why when you look at the executive sessions, that's why it's it's so brutally obvious.

Again credits to Walt Brown and the Warren Omission, where he shows mathematically the most active member of the Warren Commission is Alan Dulles and he's asking questions, he's guiding the the interrogations, he is making requests and saying, you know, making statements about what they should should not do, what they should and should not print. Dulles is active. You might as well call it the Dulles Commission because and I think a reward was just there as a figurehead.

So you know what, I wouldn't disagree with that being the summation there. Well, I really didn't want to upset Jackie and I don't know much. Yeah, I think that might be true, you know that. I mean, that's as stupid as that sounds. I think that's exactly right. So, you know, not surprised there. So Danny, I'm gonna put you on hold for a minute and we'll go over to Jimmy James and see what he has to say about that idea that I threw out there, or

what Danny had to say. So, Jimmy, what's your thoughts. I absolutely believed that the government has smoke clues, jackk Uh. By the time Oswalked took the bullet to the gut, the government in its entirety began to cover up. And it was led by r f K. I know this by Professor Mallin's work and by the phone calls. And you say that Dalls was the most active member of the commission. Maybe probably, but he was there on the insistence of Robert Kennedy. Yeah. And I got the tape

through that that's in the LBJ library. Yep. An tape can't be disputed. And that is true. Look at Jimmy hang on a second. That is absolutely true. That is absolutely true that our f K, in the early days of the investigation, is one of the biggest proponents of the cover up, shutting down investigations, shutting down all kinds. And this is the weird thing when people look back at it and go, oh, well, he wanted the truth and they were afraid that when he became president, maybe,

but his actions do not demonstrate that. Immediately after his brother's death, he was shutting things down for years afterwards and just putting a stop to and interfering. I mean, even in Garrison's investigation, which is bizarre. I like, that's one of those things that you know, you're you're absolutely right,

it's absolutely it's absolute fact. And Joan Mellon was the first one to write about it that you know, to to put a lot of that stuff together that I that I know of, but I got to tell you it seemed like that was that was ultimately absolutely true, and I could never figure that out. I would think that my brother was canful yea. And Scars has said at the time when he was asked in like nineteen sixty seven,

well, how do you explain an RFKS is I can't. It's inexplicable, right, a brother murdered, I would be acting exactly, It's the opposite, right, No. I mean, look, Garrison said a lot of wild things here and there, but that is very logical and has always been a large open question, and he knew it from personal experience. I mean, you know that whole NBC white paper would have never been created. Bobby Kennedy dispatched the guy who created that damn thing, which is right his right

hand man. Totally bizarre stuff there, and I have never been able to figure that one out. I wish somebody would explain it to me. Yeah, I don't know. I couldn't stand they're trying to muck it up. But don't you think you would think you did it? Because he wanted to be president and it's the nineteen sixties. He doesn't line. He wants it behind them so he could get in to be president. He doesn't want to be called a conspiracy bah bah bah. He doesn't want this or that.

Do you think he was keeping a little profile till after sixty eight. It's a possibility, yes, but it just I don't know. It just doesn't ring entirely true to me. I guess it's possible though, given the way things were at the time. You could be right, Jimmy, but I don't know, Like it's just never sat right with me, Like, why in the hell would you not utilize RFK, you know, RFK wanted or

RFK basically wanted to keep the dirty laundry in the bag. And he knew that if people started to investigate this thing, it was going to start going off in avenues that he didn't want the exposure to the Kennedy name and the Kennedy I don't know dynasty. You know, by that time, it was amazing what Kennedy got away with while he was in office. I mean the stuff that went on behind the scenes, the running around, the affairs, the you know, people were witnessing all this stuff. They knew what was

going on. See, I would say wanted and and Robert Kennedy was worried about it coming out. He wanted to keep all that dirty crap out of the way. He knew he could run after LBJ got out, and he probably win. See. I don't think it's it's the Kennedy name. But I don't think it's the affairs and all that. I don't think that's the

problem. I think if anything was a serious problem is that if you started to dig into covert stuff and if you really thought that this was blowback that was somehow tied to the intelligence community, that it could emerge all of the sort of off the books operations that the Kennedys did part dissipated, and you know, yeah, that's part of it, but I think that's just another

aspect. That's just another piece of dirty laundry that's coming out of the bag when you look at what they were involved with in Southeast Asia, when you look at the back door negotiations that went on during the Cuban missile crisis, When you look at all of these things, not only did he want the personal side of it covered, but he wanted the political side of it covered

too. He didn't wanted this stuff coming out because he didn't want to show JFK's involvement in this stuff, because because he knew it would tarnish his chances of being able to run. He knew once JFK got elected, RK knew that all he had do is follow light right along and it would be his turn. I mean, you know, you're looking at political dynasties back then,

the Democrats, the hold that they had on certain institutions. At the time, he knew it was just a matter of time before he'd be running, and he wanted to get LDJ out of the biggest thing was when LVJ said he was not going to run for reelection. That opened the door. And you know, RFK did what he had to do after the assassination to cover as much stuff as possible, like Jimmy said, to pay his way in there and make it easier for him to get the job. It was

all I think, it was all personal. It was all personal reasons that he did it. See to me though, Okay, but you know the other side of that is just like the sympathy votes came through for you know, Kennedy's unfinished work and all that kind of stuff. I mean, if it would have been seen that, like you know, his brother was actually a victim because he was out there doing these different things that you know, like that he was trying to get past that Johnson ends up getting credit for

and all that. If he would have came out and been on the side of getting the truth out there, even if it was kind of dirty, maybe it would have you know, maybe it could have been turned the other way too. It could have been an advantage to have the truth reveal. I mean, I guess maybe it's just one political calculus versus another. Not

when you figure the industrial complex behind it. I mean, you look at this, you know, everybody says, oh, JFK was going to get us out of Vietnam and he was going to do this, and he was going to do that. Well, we don't know that. Yes, he made statements that people interpreted as being, you know, we need to do this, we need to do that. The manic Kennedy wanted to start withdrawing

stuff out of Southeast Asia. He'd had to fight every Congressman and senator out there that was being sponsored by Raytheon in general, Electric Milcke, eat, all these other places. He'd have had to have dealt with that. He might have gotten us out of Vietnam, but just like Nixon, he always swore to get it out, but he waited till his last term to do it. Just like Trump, he was going to get us out of Afghanistan, but he didn't get the second term to be able to do it,

and we looked at who won and how bad they fumbled it. So yeah, I think part of the legacy of JFK is what could have been. And everybody likes to espouse on how great, how honky dory everything in the world would have been if Kennedy had just been able to, you know, just been able to stay on for another term and fix all the world's problems. Kennedy, we find out, is no different than any politician today.

He had his side deals as backdoor deals, backroom deals, and stuff even further back than back room I mean, that's the way politics was back then. He just didn't see it exposed to the public like it is nowadays because of the media that we have and you know, the twenty four hour news

cycle, So we haven't found out anything about Kennedy. That's what kills me about all these guys that you know, just, oh, Kennedy had just been around, everything would be fine, and I'm going on, he's a politician involved in the dirtiest work in the United States, and that's politics and the backroom deals that get I mean, that's how he got elected was backroom deals and problems with stolen elections. I mean, we talked about election deniers.

Now. You know what would have happened if we'd had the twenty four hour news cycle back then and they started looking into you know, the wards in Illinois and Sicago and how votes were tallied for Kennedy. It's so different than it is today, except the fact that we find out stuff quicker, I got you. They whole JFK myth. I mean, this whole I just tears me up. Well, they want to they want to turn them

into a saint. Some people I never have. I've always said, you know, look, I think we would have been better off with him as opposed to LBJ. But you know, and I do believe Bill Birdie. Yeah, but I also believe that Vietnam would have been avoided. Now I've seen arguments made and and there was even some TV show that did this whole thing, like, hey, what would have happened if Kennedy had been spared that day? You know that that he actually, uh you know, winds

up getting us involved in a nuclear war in his second term. You know, people have gone through all sorts of speculations. It could go in any direction. We'll never know because things turned out the way they did. But the fact that, yeah, I guess there's a lot of ways to look at it. But look, we're down to the last couple of minutes here, So I'd like to try and give Jimmy and Danny like a minute a piece to say goodbye for the week, and then try and give you to

find a word v pieze. So, Jimmy, what's your final word for the week? Is that it? That's that's my shout out Toboozy Biden, who was eaten by cannibals and World War Two. But it turned out he was because I found a picture of him. Turns out he's just he just lived a life of leisures over there and pop New Guinea. Interestingly, he still votes and maybe next week going peach him too, So there you go. Meanwhile, let's go to Danny and see what his final word for the

week is. So, Danny, what's your final word for this week? My final words is I'm just going to go back to my childhood, much more pure version of Superman standing there truth, justice in an American way. I really wish we'd live up to that standard and act like the superpower that we will we choose to believe. I think we should negotiate a peace settlement in Ukraine, and we need to also stop the warring in Israel and Gaza. I just wish that we had to have a collective courage to do So.

There you go, Danny, thank you for calling in, and I appreciate you and your sentiments. For sure, not necessarily agree with anything anybody's saying at the end here, But got to tell you, if somebody's on the side of piece, I generally got to vote with them, but not

necessarily with the same methodologies. But there's a way, there's a path, there's always a possibility, so long as we keep breathing and keep going b Pete your final word for the week, my friend, Well, all I can say is, if you know, if you want all this stuff uncovered, you want to find out the facts, and just go ahead and vote

for me when it comes to election time. And when I get in there, I'll I'll rule with an iron fist and make these people who think they've seen fascism open their eyes and get to the bottom of all of our problems. You know, I'd like to day that we could all be brushing glitter off our desks from the unicorn farts that crapes through the room and make everybody

have a honky doory day. So if we want to solve all the world's problem, just write me in. I know I'm not on the ballot, but what the hell, it's worth the effort, It's worth the ink, It's definitely worth it. Being so other than that I'm gonna say thank you for another week. Thank you Jimmy, thank you Danny for calling in being a part of the conversation. Go to o'chelli dot com and get the support button. Every little bit helps, and other than that, looking forward to

next week sure, and me too. And by the way, I'll be getting out the zip folders this weekend. I sent out all of their recens on the zip folders this past week. But for those of you that are supporters at the website, yeah, you're getting your zip folders this weekend, and that's the way that that goes. Meanwhile, I guess we'll just end it in the usual way here on a Friar's Day and tell you that no matter who you are, where you are, when you are, I am

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