The Ochelli Effect 5-1-2025 DJ Thermodetonator and NEWS

got with me tonight? DJ Thermal Detonator, Yeah, might recognize that Twitter handle and we're gonna talk to him tonight and get his impressions on the latest in the clown show of news that is couple updates real fast. I think the guy who contacted me claiming to be Elon Musk is not Elon Musk. I've come to that conclusion, even though I played that audio pie you guys last night and it seemed almost legit. But he's a little

too anxious for me to invest in Tesla stock. So I'm thinking, even though I did establish a signal app presence and all that, I got a count there, and I'll include that in the show notes. You guys will be able to get in touch with me on signal now because I figure if it's good enough for Pete Hegseth, it's good enough for me, and so it'll be there. I'm Ocelli dot o'helly effect dot thirteen or something because they have to give you a number on there along

with your name. It's kind of like a government thing when they lock you in prison. Anyway, drawing no conclusions, but how about the news and before we go there, my man DJ Thermal Detonator, hell of a name. I've always said, loved the Twitter account alone. But you got a lot of stuff going on YouTube channel. You know, you're on Rumble, You're in a bunch of places. There will be links in the show notes guys for you to get a hold of this guy and see his work.

But first of all, in case people forgot, because it's been a while since you've been on how you doing and reintroduce yourself, you don't mind.

my DJ name because that's kind of like what I started. Well, I've always used it online, you know, as an actual goth industrial DJ from LA and I just kind of used it when I've became a nine to eleven truth activists, you know, mostly involved with We Are Change LA, like back starting like two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, and uh that's kind of like where I started as far as uh my, I guess political awakening activism, you know, I mean obviously, you know, I definitely was in very

much into nine to eleven truth. You know, I still say am somewhat, but I kind of like more moved along the lines of being a nine to eleven skeptic, and I basically put out my own films now on my channel, and I also periodically write articles related to nine to eleven and you know, things within that nature.

you want on it. But if you ever feel like giving me a unique article that you figure nobody else in the world would publish outside of your own substack, by all means, send it my way and we'll see if we can publish it on the front page here, because I don't yet have a resident nine to eleven skeptic among the people that are going to or at least promising me to submit articles, and some that have already, and I've only just launched it as of what April

thirty or April twenty nine, something like that, But I've got it in the works where a couple articles a week are going to come out of there, and it'll be stuff that you will not see elsewhere. So if you feel like contributing, let me know. And all anybody has to do, even you listening out there, I'm taking stuff from everybody. I'm not publishing everything. I've already rejected about seventy five percent of what's been sent to me.

But if you send me something unique that has some rarefied information, more than happy to work with you on it. Info at ochelly dot com. That's the mail address for that, and I'll be more than happy to look it over work with you. And I'm still waiting on revisions from a couple of people. So as soon as you guys get those to me, we'll get those published. And looking forward to doing that. But just a personal offer to you, I'd love to have you even write one article for

me along the way. But I'm hoping to keep this running for a while.

out a you know, before the age of deep fakes. Okay, put out a fake hip beheading video and they put it out there as a joke, and this thing got you know, passed along in the file sharing you know, the P two P file sharing era was then you know what was it Limelight And of course Napster had died in court, but there were plenty of bootleg sites out there where people were sharing things they shouldn't share, and also lots of information nine to eleven footage, you

name it. Plus of course music was being shared on these file sharing sites and their stuff went so wide that the FEDS came and kicked in their door over.

of what we do on here. And oh, one last other note to catch people up is not only am I continuing that front page thing, but also want to let listeners know that, yes, indeed, I do have that signal app deal and I'm still looking into a nature boy's evil twin. But to be continued. And of course we'll talk about anything you want on the Friday night

open mic tomorrow night. So but tonight I've got you with me, so I want to get your impressions on I don't know, some headlines, some happenings, and maybe some audio clips. Maybe we'll take a break after that and get deep into your work. Sound good to you?

New York City. Anyway, Yeah, you know, here we go, He's going to have to go over there. He was part of the signal chat. I find the intrigue interesting that Trump didn't want to fire him in the first hundred days, to not give a victory to his critics. But then again, he spends a lot of time battling his critics. You got any thoughts on this or do you want to pass on this story?

somehow ended up in the White House. I mean, I find this to be a weird alternate reality because I grew up in New Jersey and New York, primarily New Jersey, but either way, had interactions with people in Trump in the Trumpet sphere quite often, even shook his hand at one point, you know, and this is pre presidential days, of course, sure, But the point is that, you know, because I got in. I had a friend A short story.

I had a friend who worked security for everything on the Jersey short because he was that kind of tough guy, and he got me in when the WWE was doing like a Body World bodybuilding thing, and they did it at Trump Plaza. So I ended up in a special room with VIPs where no press was allowed, and Trump walked through the room shaking hands. I told the story in depth before, but that's about the long and the

short of it. And I got to tell you, I have no use for this guy and can't figure out how it is they took the real estate hustler from Queens who was really after his own publicity constantly in the New York, New Jersey, you know, the tri state area. How he got taken seriously enough to now be the chief executive of the country. To me, it's astounding, just that alone. And I've been astounded for the past decade.

because he was doing projects for Trump. Anyway, The thing is, Roger Stone is the guy who says, you know, unequivocally, even though his evidence is bad, that LBJ is responsible for the assassination of JFK. Anyway, but that's one of his guys, and Roger Stone is one of his friends. And oh, by the way, don't forget that he was also mentored by another guy who was sort of a muckrakers, sort of greasy character in the underworld. All the way back in the day, there was a lawyer you know

you know what I'm talking about here. Yes, that's right, Citizen Cone. By the way, I advise if you can dig up that old HBO special and watch it. They made a movie about his life, which is pretty haunting and strange, but even stranger. Lately, I got another question for you, because again nine to eleven truth, watching it get hijacked and all that, it's definitely probably molded your views somewhat over the past few years. But I noticed a weirdness this week that I don't think a lot

of people appreciate so much. The MS thirteen tattoos issue. Have you seen anything about this?

of the most violent and dangerous street gangs in the world. Okay, they're saying that he's a member of that. They also said he was a member of another gang. He's never been found to be a member of that or anything,

but they say these tattoos mean that. And then he did an interview this week and look, I'm just gonna play some of the audio, but an ABC reporter confronts Trump on it, and I listen to how you won't let go of this idea that the guy literally had MS thirteen on his hand, when meanwhile, the MS thirteen was clearly photoshop added to state that, yeah, if you take a look at the picture, I mean, dude, I know I'm the blind JFK researcher and I'm legally blind

at all, but I know what photoshop looks like. Dements. Look, it's on the wrong plane. It's clearly added. But the idea was. They were trying to say, it's meant to symbolize. Now, does Trump not realize that this was meant to be an illustration to say that these symbols below the letters and numbers mean this, or is he lying about it and he knows about it? Because there's only two conclusions

you can come to. And it's a weird thing. Listen to this piece of this interview and see if it strikes you the same way it struck me talking about this.

ways to interpret stuff. Certain people in certain gangs, certain subcultures, wear certain tattoos, and most of you don't know anything about it. You know, from the Asian tattoo language that's out there, you know, regarding the Triads and the Yakuza, all the way to various other underworld groups that have tattoos that have meaning that you know, gets you passes or get you killed depending on what prison you're in, and also you know, might be signals to certain outlaw bikers,

et cetera, et cetera. There is a whole subculture and language to the ink on the flesh. Okay, but anyway, what's fascinating to me is Trump's saying no, literally there's an MS and a thirteen on his hand, and the reporters trying to say, look, let's agree to disagree and move on to something else because it's an interpretation, and he's like, no, it's literally there. But anyway, let's continue to listen to the clip real quick, and we also

have the commentary of Desi Leiadak. Again. I'll give you guys the link to this so you can check out the whole segment if you want. But I'm only going to play another quick portion over here.

been photoshopped. As a verb like it's been manipulate. This whole exchange is so funny because it's it is the old man who doesn't necessarily know what he's talking about, but insists you knows somebody's talking about and this is the president of the United States, Jesus. So were we better off with the guy mumbling of a big green and I don't know and I'm gonna kill medicure? Were we better off with that guy or this guy? And

doesn't really matter? Is my ultimate question. But let's listen to Desi Lightek for a couple more seconds, and maybe this exchange with the reporter because he won't let go of this. He's about ready to call this guy fake news and everything that you're doing terrible things. You know what you need to be illegal? You need because he says this about reporters and agencies, they need to have their license taken away. Even though there's no license for news,

there's license for broadcasting. But anyway, it's a whole confusing thing when you try to unpack the specifics behind Trump. But the weird thing is, if you're a true believer, you don't care he's right anyway, even if he's wrong. He's right, yeah, which is hilarious. Anyway, let's just catch a little more. If he's wrong, he's right, and if he's right, he's wrong, and Trump is always right. Anyway, let's just do that for a couple more seconds before we move on to something else.

So you know, maybe that that's it. Maybe that's how it all makes sense. You got any comments for me?

and they're even here, will deport them. Now, people say he just says that stuff, but do you realize he's saying it doesn't matter if you're a citizen, will deport you too, because he wants to find a way to do that. And in Congress this week, they're literally edging toward that, you know, passing laws that are going to say,

you know what, it's okay. And this goes back to an old problem when Bush started declaring, well, this person's a terrorist, and this person's a terrorist, and by the way, I'm not partisan here because Obama turned around and did what extra judicial execution, murdered a US citizen with a drone strike because he said he was a terrorist. Now I'm not saying he was or wasn't. All I'm saying

is no due process for the US citizen. He's over there, enemy combatant, terrorist, therefore eligible to be what an enemy that is to be struck. I'm just trying to say, when you go along with these things, you never know how it might turn out. Don't forget. There's a lot of people that have the words domestic terrorists written somewhere in their FBI files, and me personally, I happen to

know I have a subversive file with the FBI. So if a drone accidentally strikes my house one day, I hope somebody remembers that I wasn't an enemy of the state, even though I was a critic. But who knows, Maybe it'll all be okay, because screw him. He needed to die anyway, because he wasn't with us. He was with the terrorists, as they used to say. Anyway, that's my

consideration on it. But let's move away from Trump and at least get to his what seemed like was his second in command, Elon Musk, and I talked about him earlier. You don't know the story yet, but a guy on X reach out to me and basically said, I'm actually Elon Musk with a secret ready for that, a secret account, and I talk to my fans now and then, and I'm giving you the privilege of contact with me. So I thought that was interesting. And I know on occasion

ultra rich people do stuff like this. But also I'm aware of all the fakery and all of the catfishing they used to call it, that people have done. You know, Oh, I think I'm talking to a hot chicken Montana and it's actually a dude in uh, you know, Uzbekistan trying to convince me to send him money. Yeah, we know those stories. And of course the prince from what country is that again where they always send Oh, the prince

needs five grand to release millions of dollars. The prince of one of those African countries you know sends out Yeah badly, badly? Was it Zayir? I don't know, It doesn't matter. The point is a guy says I need five grand. If you send it to me, I'm gonna pay you back richly and hook me up. And it's in bad English and a lot of people have done it oddly enough over the years. But so I'm fully aware of those scams online hookers, you know that are

out there and do their thing. You know what I mean by online hookers.

and I'll do it. And people would do that stuff, and then they'd build relationships with these girls and next thing you know is you're furnishing their apartment and whatever in whatever country they live in, allegedly, but it turns out it's not really the girl, and she's, you know, somebody who made videos for somebody else, and the guy has a library and he's reselling them to you, and he accidentally calls you Bill or she does actually during the video because he forgot to cut that out. You

know that happens. And even Skype Horse used to approach me. Hello, I'm twenty four years old female, I just finished university. They always started with I'm lonely. You look like a nice guy, Yeah, and I never engaged with him. I had a friend once that engaged with him just to be funny, and we did a whole show on it where he described how to get rid of a corpse and also how to cook eggs, and the whatever was on the other side of that account kind of went

along with the whole thing. Very weird. Anyway, Now, in the age of AI, I guess they can automate this stuff and deep bake it, so you know, and maybe they could before and we just didn't have that technology in our toys in America, and a lot of guys

have gotten had. Anyway, my point is that this guy claims to be Elon Musk and seemed like he was, and then sent me a voicemail basically saying, look, I don't have time to really chat but because you know, I'm a busy man and this and that, but if you have Signal or if you have a Telegram, I'll talk to you on there. So I signed up for Signal and went over there, and I got mixed feelings

about it. But I almost thought for a second I might be talking to Elon Musk, but I don't think I am now anyway, I find his whole story interesting because of the you know, weird sort of chaos that's gone on in the Trump administration. People vandalizing Tesla's, the stock dropping, all that weirdness, and oh, by the way,

one more piece of chaos here. Just the audio wise, this is kind of an interesting moment where a States Department spokesperson Tammy Bruce learns from a reporter that Trump announced the on social media that Mike Waltz has a new job, and Marco is now, you know Kissinger two point zero. I found this exchange interesting and the way she rolls with the whole thing kind of comical as well. Here we go if it plays.

I find this comical. But her response is even better here. The reporters like, hey, you just said it on truth Social, So what do you have to say about that? And here's how she responds.

and then you see that manifest usually. But I think one thing I certainly that I've learned is that things don't happen until the president says they're going to happen. So the fact that that is, which was obviously truth social Yeah, so that is the miracle of modern technology and the social media.

all be political. Indeed, I told you guys the story ahead of time about that tremendous forest fire in New Jersey, Okay, that you know, burned a whole bunch of acres. And I'm telling you, even though it looks small here to California, New Jersey's a very small state. But I told everybody exactly what the investigators were going to find before they

found it, because I'm familiar with that area. There are logical ways to break things down and find out about them ahead of time, but not when it comes to our government at the moment and our presidential circumstances, and one begins to wonder exactly how much power does the president wield at all times in all places when we

see what's happening here. So I ask you to consider that when I get to my favorite presidential quote of the day, and then I promise you we're not going to play anymore Trump clips, but just really fast, one more clip, couple more headlines, and then I want to talk about your work, because all of this stuff that we're talking about right now is part of the equation with hijacking and warping, the truth movements, the calls for transparency and all of that, and that's now going to

touch on your work. So hang on just real quick. And this is I got this clip from the AP very short but interesting to me, one of the.

of time. But it's been a fascinating journey to watch this argument over the implementation of tariffs, the pulling back of tariffs, and for the most part, outside of the market bouncing around because people are uncertain about the future. Not much has actually changed in the supply chain and in the supplies that remain here on the shore and in transit. But they're about to And the funny thing to me is they're asking them about the deal. Have

you made any deals with China? Everybody's begging to make a deal. We're all gonna have deals. I've got the best deals. It's the art of the deal. That's what we're doing right now. And we're even taking on Canada if they don't want to become our fifty first state, they're going to become our bitch, so get ready. But I love Trump's response to this because again, it begs a lot of questions, and I'm not going to ask them. I'm gonna let you guys out there ask them in

your own minds. And I'm gonna ask Dj Thermal Detonator to comment. And I'm using your DJ name on purpose here because you need it here anyway. Just listen to this with an open mind as he responds to what's going on with China, what's happening with the tariff and trade war, et cetera. Mister President, they.

automation or AI. But I got it. I tell you, there is a lot of junk that a lot of you people want, and I don't think everybody's factored into this. And this guy who somehow things children have thirty dollars, I don't know. I don't recall even little girls with thirty Barbie dolls. When I was a kid, and Barbie dolls were only five bucks and they were too expensive for my poor ass neighborhood. So believe me, I never saw that. And little girls with two or three Barbies

were pretty much seen as rich. But thirty dollars, I don't know what to say. So instead of thirty dollars, they'll have two. It's almost like explaining to your children that they can't have as much and it's gonna cost more because now they've gotten older and reality needs to set in. There is no Santa Claus. But this is our president explaining this to you. Because guess what you're the children? Anyway, Any thoughts on this, my friend? Uh?

And here's the fun part. The leaders that you think know what's going on in the whole world, the smartest guys in the room, the smartest guys in DC, the smartest guys at the companies, et cetera, et cetera. They're not connected to your reality either. I get statements from people about like, well, just give up your daily Starbucks and you can do this, And I go, yeah, I

can't afford a daily Starbucks. Okay, it's too expensive. They say to me, well, instead of taking your family out to eat a couple of times a week, do this, And I go, take my family out to eat. I haven't done that in years. I can't afford that. Look, I don't have one hundred bucks to throw away. I'm

trying to afford the overpriced groceries. Yeah, okay, and I also got to do things like I don't know, pay the electric bill, which I worry about, and housing cost, which if you're rich you don't worry about so much. I mean, it cracked me up when the Hedge one manager was on TV going, well, my ninety year old mother in law doesn't worry about her Social Security check. She wouldn't complain if she didn't get one yet because she lives in the side part of your fifteen million

dollar apartment in you know, Manhattan rent free. An old lady who's ninety who depends on her Social Security check is going to be upset if her Social Security check doesn't show up unless she has a big stash of savings to absorb that. And trust me, old ladies who don't get their second napkin at a restaurant when they go get upset. So believe me, that's solid security check is going to cause a ruckus if you decide not

to send it to people. Oh, by the way, if you're somebody who does collect SSI apparently something weird is going on in Congress, and you're gonna receive three checks in May, which is weird. But a little caution out there. You might want to read up some news stories. I got it from Yahoo News. I'm gonna put it in the chatroom at Ochelli dot com because I think it's a public service thing for those that live on SSI. Here's the deal. You're not going to get another check

until July. Once you turn around and get this extra three checks somehow in May. I don't know why, May, June, July. They're gonna skip June and give you three checks at once, so you know the old expression, don't spend it all in one place, and there will be some bonus couple

hundred extra dollars or something. I don't even necessarily understand the shuffling, but that's happening along with Elon Musk allegedly now stepping back from his Doze duties, and since I'm not speaking to him directly, I can't quite get straight

at him, but I love the discussions there. The alleged warning shot fired to him by the board of directors there at DOGE, I mean not at Doze, excuse me, at TESLA, because they were publicly allegedly looking for a brand new CEO at Tesla, okay, which means they were about ready to fire Musk from his company. A quarter of US consumers are now financing groceries with buy now, pay later options. That's in Fortune magazine ironically. Okay, I'm

just telling you this is what's going on. Okay. These are the headlines, and I'm gonna ask your opinion on a couple of them after I get through a few more. But yeah, elon Musk and Doge promised two trillion in saving. In reality, government spending is actually up currently, according to

a report from The Independent. And again I'll put that link in the chatroom Mitochelli dot com and also include it with the show notes along with a few other things that we're about to get to, because again I wanted to talk about this strange thing that's going on. But before we get away from tech people, Meta claims that it's new tech is redefining advertising as an AI agent.

And you know, our friend Zuckerberg over there at Facebook, Meta all that after kissing Trump's ass and coming on in and saying that he cares about free speech again and changing the rules once more for Facebook jail and beyond, just saying it's what's happening. Yeah, they're claiming that this launch of their new AI service is going to be personalized. And I covered that partially last night, but also in

the strange, kind of weird world of tech. Want to let you know that a judge just ruled against Apple's control of the Apple Store, of the App store. Excuse me. The judge in Epic versus Apple is banned Apple from charging a commission on purchases made outside the App Store because if it's ongoing in competitive anti competitive behavior. What's happening is they're charging people extra money for things they're buying. They're not giving that money to the app creator or

the website or whatever. They're just collecting extra fees on you because you're an Apple user and a judge just slammed down on them. I'm sure they'll appeal, but if you're an Apple user, you might want to look for some rebates and refunds coming soon. Just saying if the court's decision holds. All right. A couple other things going on is Dems joined Republicans to boost defense spending in the Trump Pagenda bill. Yeah, you know that big beautiful Bill.

One of the things that's guaranteed and always guaranteed in the false left right paradigm is that nobody ever wants to cut defense spending, not really, even if they give lift service to it. The one thing they can agree on is that we should have the absolute largest, strongest, biggest military in the world. They'll claim once in a while that you're undercutting it. No, you're undercutting it. No you don't support the troops. No, you don't support the troops.

And I think of our good friend Bill Hicks, who said, I like to put it on the left. I like to put it on the right. Wait, it's one guy controlling both puppets. Shut up. There's my quick retelling of a joke. And now you know why. I'm not a stand up comedian, but I'm telling you now. It really does concisely and accurately make the salient point about the false left right paradigm. It's the truth when it comes down to defense spending. You can find him agreeing on

that at all times. So even though people hate the Post Office and the USPS they are looking to privatize and UPS is cutting twenty thousand jobs. They're claiming that people are spending less at Amazon, and therefore they don't need all of the staff that they did in the past few years. So they're about to do some dozing. Oh wait, but it's not a government program. Yeah, these are the ripple effects that come out of the government

program cuts and also when inflation really kicks in. One more thing from the American Spectator, a headline I appreciate more than most. An entire generation has turned feral. The teenagers of yesteryear are not like the feral kids of today.

And just to give you a quick synopsis, they talk about these different kids who have taken over parts of cities with literal takeovers where they storm in and take over areas, knock over police stations, whole business areas, and just do it because they've gotten nothing else going and they spend all their time in apps and online doing nothing. So we have a feral generation of sorts according to the American Spectator. But that's not the weirdest thing going on.

Once again, back to these odd black sites, and we're gonna have to talk about Libya coming up here, because that's going to be one of the places where we might send people next. Screw el Salvador. We might get a better deal out of Libya. After all, that country's been completely out of control ever since the overthrow of Kadafi and the literal screwing over of the guy pun intended.

You know, it just happened that way. Funny how he was telling us a lot of interesting truths in public statements though, and pointing fingers and US intelligence agencies when it came to a great many narratives. But was that his worst crime? I don't think so. I think the biggest problem was how about interest free loans to other African nations without me taking you over or trying to colonize or doing the new Chinese colonization dance, which is

happening all across Africa. Yeah, if it's not an oil rich country, you don't figure that they're going in there blood for oil. But blood for diamonds and blood for lithium is a thing. Anyway, All of that might be connected to nine to eleven, the hijacking of the truth movement and all that, And maybe we should take a quick break and delve into that subject. What do you think?

key kind of channel. But all my major work that I had there and I joined that in two thousand and seven or eight, they got rid of me, you know, and certain platforms will just you know, deep platform you kick you off. Matter of fact, I was on rock Fin for a while and I was among that group of people that were you know, cast out from the Rock Fin you know what.

And the funny thing was it was such nonsense for why they got rid of me. It wasn't like, you know, I mean, they got me for medical disinformation because I dared say I don't trust the companies that are making the vaccine, so that was a bad thing. But in addition to that, you know, because I'm pointing out Johnson

and Johnson was one of those companies. Everybody forgets that, but those are the same people who couldn't figure out how to not put a carcinage in talcum powder, you know, just saying uh, And you know, there were other problems with these other issues, and I was medical disinformation. But then I got the creepiest thing ever. The Google team sent me a letter basically asking me if I was suicidal.

The two statements completely contradicted each other, even though they were made at almost exactly the same day, right, So all I said in the video after showing pictures of him and playing the audio, I said in the video in a text, doesn't this seem strange to you that these things contradict one another? Now? It was a twenty like like an eight minute video altogether, and it was up there from two thousand and nine, I think, all

the way up to twenty twenty two. Nobody noticed it and had a few thousand views on it, even though I had five thousand subscribers and well over you know, a million views on millions of views on the videos I had I don't know a thousand videos up there

over the years. And the thing was, they banned that video for me promoting self harm and then started sending me things like, you know, if you need to talk to somebody, you can call the suicide Prevention hotline, and we had the Google team wanted to check in with you. And I'm like, I wasn't suicidal. I appealed this, and you guys wouldn't listen to me. And I don't even know how the hell to fight something. It makes absolutely no sense. It's not even insulted. You have to be honest.

That's what I told them.

two thousand and eight to twenty twenty two. So what is that fourteen almost fifteen years two thousand and seven or eight to twenty twenty two, fifteen years and they just disappear me. I don't care that they demonetize me over and over again. I didn't care about that anymore, because you know, it takes forever to earn fractions of pennies to get paid anyway, So screw it. I didn't care.

But my videos all gone just like that. Anyway, we'll take a break here on the Ocelli effect, and we're going to get into some nine to eleven skepticism and god knows what else as quick as we can, because I don't want to keep this man all day.

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a fifty minute filmy two minutes. And I put that out last year on the nine to eleven anniversary, and it was just it was a lot of written stuff that I've been kind of covering and I wanted to put something, you know, I just wanted to get something out finally, and you know, I just I put a pretty good, a pretty good case that you know, it is very likely he was you know, gay or him by or whatever, which you know, It's like I'm not trying to get on people's you know, sexual preference, trying

to make an issue of it. But it's just the whole thing of like, you know, the the Islamic you know terrorist, you know, the fundamentalist you know, narrative at all all that it isn't completely is what people think.

Because we now live in a circumstance where, first of all, you know, certain that they keep talking about Laura Lumer and she's a conspiracy theorist and she said nine to eleven was a side job, and oh my god, she's telling Trump who to hire and fire in the NSA, and my god, Okay, we're in a weird time where conspiracy theory isn't what it used to be. In fact, they even changed the word conspiracist because to me, the word conspiracist was somebody who was actually directly involved in

a conspiracy. Nowadays they slap that word on you if you advocate for a theory or the possibility of a theory that there might have been people working together that contradicts the official conspiracy theory, and you become a conspiracist. But what's weird is there are some people that think Trump legitimized it. His whole MAGA movement has legitimized it.

We end up with Jade Vance instead. And there were cute people on the Grassy Knoll a couple of years ago walking around waiting for JFK Junior to show up there on the anniversary right now, Okay, fine, Fast forward another year and I'm there kind of on and off year at the Lancer conference. I'm being the MC. But I went down to Dealey Plaza because some friends wanted me to go down there and kind of give him

a personal tour, and I said sure. I went down there, and they're doing their thing a moment of silence, which happens every November twenty second on the Grassy Knoll. Literally, people get together and have a moment of silence, just recognizing that America changed that day on November twenty second,

nineteen sixty three. I agree with that. I don't necessarily agree with all the people involved with the moment of side, but I happened to be there at exactly the time of day on the anniversary, and there's a small group of Q people. They stretched across Elm Street, which, if you don't know, by the way, Martin Elm Street is where it's the original nightmare on Elm Street, that's where Kennedy was killed. They stretched across that street Indialy Plaza

and stopped traffic. The Q people, I have no idea why. I have no idea what their point was. They just disrupted traffic, temporarily, got photographed by the Dallas Morning News,

and then disappeared. Which is weird because we live in an age now where there's a lot of performative protests, and you and I have been alive long enough to have known that there were real grassroots protests, people demanding truth for real, not looking for people to come back from their fake deaths and show up and re emerge

as presidential candidates or excuse me, vice presidential candidates. But you and I have been around long enough to remember that there were, you know, gatherings in New York City demanding disclosure regarding nine to eleven, et cetera. And I've been involved in the JFK community for like thirty years,

but it's gotten very weird. And I note that the nine to eleven community, which was very vocal, very diverse, very interesting for a while and had a lot of traction not only in social media but in the podcast Realm et cetera, et cetera, has now become and you hear the dogs getting wild in the back now somebody

must be at my door. Has gotten really strange. And is it just me as sort of a interested outsider who does know something about nine to eleven because I was in proximity of New York City that day and experienced some weird things that day and tried to literally in the moments after get into New York City and wanted to help people, if we could dig people out of that rubble to survive. They had locked down the Island. But I was right there and I watched the debris

cloud travel over into New Jersey. It literally left a coating all up and down the Jersey shore. In places like Bayonne, Jersey City. You could literally wipe this weird crap off of your windows, either your apartment or your car in Jersey City, Bayonne. Like I said, all of those northern Jersey places just across the river and New

York took a hit on a local level. That was one thing we went into the war on terror, etc. But point is, it seems to me as though they hijacked, derailed, and co opted all of what was legitimate in the nine to eleven truth movement. And now it's pretty quiet.

all that. Yeah, and that's that's amazing. I mean, yeah, you're you were into this thirty years, so you're you're you were already into this stuff before nine to eleven happened, apparently, you know, you know, for my for myself, you know, I I was actually in the Army, didn't even do my full three full three years. I got out. It

was a long story, but I got out early. And you know, one of the first movies I saw was you know, the JFK movie from you know, Oliver Stone when was on VHS, and that had a profound fact you know, uh you know effect on me. You know, it made me really miss miss mistrust my government more so than already what I had already experienced in the army.

movie is still having effects today. The truth is that those files that Trump dumped out there recently that you know, everybody's going, oh, it's a nothing burger. Oh wait a minute, there's something in it. That stuff was all done as part of the reaction to the Oliver Stone movie, that final slide where they tell you the HSCA files are

not going to get seen until twenty twenty nine. People protested against that, and there was already a let the files loose movement that was happening politically, and people in Jersey like myself and Bill oh Man I can't even think of his name, but a bunch of guys who were in Jersey, New York, Dallas, Texas, all across the country were haranguing Congress and bothering them, and Oliver Stone's movie became a catalyst to create the Assassination Record's review

Board in the mid nineties. Most of the stuff that was supposed to be released in twenty seventeen finally was stuff that was already vetted in the mid nineties because of that movement, and people don't even realize that. And Trump, you know, kicked the can down the road, and Biden tried to take the can off the road. Trump finally gave to you what you should have gotten in the

mid nineties in these files. And then we've gone through this thing with Epstein and he said something about, you know, RFK and MLK, and now he's dropped some RFK stuff that really isn't all that significant or revolutionary, but he's promising MLK and there's even whispers that he's going to get to some nine to eleven truth. But to me, it's a bait and switch and it always has been. Do you feel that way about nine to eleven or do you have any thoughts on this at all?

to eleven victims families. You know, we're speaking out because he'd even you know, he'd even said before you know that, well, Iraq didn't do it, you know, you may you know, he was just kind of, you know, basically saying, you know, if you you know, if you get me elected, we'll get down to the bottom of nine to eleven.

You know, I see that it's you know, more focused on that, and it's like they're trying to trying to dig out, you know, trying to make a nine to eleven link out of that, because you know, Epstein was Jewish and they're the you know, the assumption that he was Masad or he was an asset of the Massad, you know, and they're just always trying to, you know, figure out they're trying to you know, it's kind of over it's it's overdone on jew counting. I'm sorry to

say that, but it really is. But you know, going back to nine to eleven, like now, you were also saying, you know, it's kind of dead. Yeah, it's it's you know, even on mainstream media, it's only CBS that's only covering, you know, anything new and at least it's the Saudi role. And that just happened, you know, this past Sunday. They put out the sixty minute piece you know a little bit more about Omar Bayoumi. And the thing about that is is that, well it was supposed to come out

in January and obviously Biden was still in office. But the theory that I've heard out there is maybe that they waited this long because if it would have come out during Biden, nothing would have would have happened. But now that it's comes out during now, when Trump now is totally in office, and there's this idea that maybe, you know, something will we'll transpire out of it, I don't know, you know, it's like I'm kind of you know, I'm not optimistic about it either.

the architect is. And it's just wild to me that this has happened, uh, you know, And I never expected it to go all this way. And here we are now with basically between flat Earth and the Maga movement and all that and QAnon, it's all it's all been undermined and destroyed, and you know, basically, uh, disfigured one way or another. I mean, discounted absolutely, you know, mind

buy all of these things. And I don't know how you feel about flat earth, but I mean I've had people switch from nine to eleven to flat earth.

you know, and Elon Musk support. See here we go back around, and it's weird how the technocracy steps in and assists in.

they weren't on TV. They were just people. And here's the thing. I don't know anybody that saw the first plane, true, but I knew people who saw, not on TV, but in person the second plane because they were looking at the burning building already. Yeah, and they go, no, that's not true, nobody, You can't bring them up. No, they're not public figures. They were regular people who told me they saw it. And guess what, their cable was out. They couldn't watch TV that night because it wasn't working

in the area. See, that's the thing. Credit cards stopped working in the whole Tri state area, a lot of banks went down because there was a network of connection that wasn't through the internet entirely at that point. Okay, and a lot of those electronic services were disrupted, including cable. So they say, no, people saw it on TV, only they saw it live on TV. No, I'm like they saw it with their own eyes.

So when people tell me there were absolutely no planes, there were no passengers, Nobody actually died, you know, it just it became a thing. But look, I don't want to delve into that. I want to talk about the focus of your work. It's wild. You got a fifty minute piece on Mohammed Anna being gay and I definitely I'm gonna have to find the link to that and point people to it, just because that is so different. I've never heard that before.

uh good researchers out there. You know, there's not very many of them, but I but I will say, like, you know, you know, just just to answer your question, you know, uh, you know from the movement, you know, just drifting and you know, the bottom the bottom line is is like it's just it's just just from its inception that was it was wrong, I mean just because I mean it all it all boils down back to Alex Jones unfortunately, and I put a lot of blame

and fault on him. And then how things are transpired to what we're dealing with now. You know, now you got all these people, you know, you're you're pointing out with Alon Musk and all this, Like I said, I made that meme and then all of a sudden, I'm like was banned off Twitter, like forever, like for like a year, and you know, but then I see pictures of Alon Musk, you know, with with all these Saudi royalties and all that. So to me, all this, all

these hoax theories, and that's what they all are. You know, in the long run, it's basically has helped to protect you know, some of the Arab States sponsors.

who coined the phrase truther, you know, accidentally. Uh, yeah, he's amazing.

the years. You know, even even in even in you know, critiquing the whole controlled demolition theory and stuff, and you know, he says, you know, nine to eleven Truth is not a controlled demolition movement, and yeah, I agree with that, but unfortunately that's how most of the nine to eleven Truth movement look at it is, and that's all they focus on, you know, and it's yeah, they don't even acknowledge the hijackings. They don't know none of that stuff.

And that's I guess that's what's different with my work is yeah, I uh, you know, yeah, I cover the most odd stuff. I cover urban moving systems a lot. I do a lot of focus on that, but I focus a lot also on the on the hijackers and the whole idea, the whole concept of whatever al Qaeda is, because you know, I have my doubts that you know, it was just this one monolithic, you know, organization. I mean I can, I can expand a lot more on

all that. But you know, in my theory, because because ISIS is a separate group or organization or movement whatever, I believe that they were actually involved in nine to eleven, I think we've been. We've been basically BSD. As far as this whole idea of centralizing it, well.

one point they were assets for the US government. That doesn't mean necessarily they were getting a paycheck, but maybe they were. Okay, you don't necessarily know, because there is a whole nexus of organizations that work together. And I mean, if you don't leave me, think about how it is you can combine drug traffickers into arm shipments to Iran, okay, and create an entire operation that worked at the behest

of the Vice president for Christ's sake. And if you don't believe me about that, it's something called the Iran contra.

want to drive into that yet. But no, you're making it, you know, you're yeah, you're making a good point, you know, bringing up something relevant.

none of that is true. I've you know, I've put out a very extensive film on the nineteen ninety three World Trade Center bombing. It's in four parts, two hours each, yes, eight hours worth of material, and it also covers quite a bit of nine to eleven. But it goes back into,

you know, things in retrospect with nineteen ninety three. But you know, bottom line is, yeah, you know who was behind You know, if you can figure out who was really behind the nineteen ninety three bombing, then you can figure out really was behind nine to eleven, because you know, the bottom line is, you know that they they caught people, they charged people for nineteen ninety three.

twenty fourth, a twenty fifth. I could keep going on and on, because the reality of the cover up, you know, besides everything else, but besides, if you just want to focus on the Twin Towers, the reality of the cover up is that there were supposed to be numerous other flights that were supposed to be hijacked on nine to eleven, and for whatever reason, there's plenty of plenty of plenty of scenarios why they didn't happen, but they did not happen.

But when the airports reopened up two days later on September thirteenth, they tried to hijack planes again. And this was completely covered up throughout all the media. They were reporting it. They were reporting it from the afternoon all the way until the next morning. Early morning September fourteenth, they were saying that there were arrests at JFK Airport and LaGuardia Airport with people with weapons, you know, airplane uniform you know, I'm sorry, pilot uniforms or you know,

airline uniforms and stuff like that. And then it just like went away, and then they made up all these excuses or said that they you know that was there was miss it was all misreporting.

know that there was some misreporting. Like for instance, I remember the day of they had absolutely confirmed that there was a bombing on the ground at the US Capitol and that was after you know, the strike on the Pentagon, and they were saying, and there's also been a bomb at the US Capitol and there may be more car bombs in the area and they're evacuating, and I went, whoa, Like, you know, I was, I was, you know, getting this information in real time on that day and I remember stuff.

And then they were like, okay, sorry, there wasn't a bombing on the ground.

explosives on the George Washington Bridge. That was another one, which is which is one that people really need to see because what I do is I debunk Ryan Dawson's one of his big claims, which he's put out on his film's Empire Unmasked and especially War by Deception, is that he tries to make this appearance that there were all these numerous Israeli moving vans and one with explosives on the George Washington Bridge. No, No, there wasn't, There

was no van. What it was it's misreporting on the dancing Israelis they were, and it's it takes a lot for me to like pull it apart and explain how

the misreporting happens. But when you when you realize when you go to the source of the first reporter who started that which all the other mainstream networks started repeating, it starts with Marsha Kramer from CBS two when she said that got this report she was she was basically getting it through secondhand sources, probably likely from a police because she was stationed at the Police Academy in Manhattan, you know where they were doing all the city press conferences from the afternoon.

over on the on the show notes. But you have a members section, can you tell people about that real quick too, because I want people to explore your stuff.

many views, like I have. I don't know why it got this many views, but I've got the news clip of Trump, you know, three days after nine to eleven, He's being interviewed by MSNBC on on Ground zero and

for some reason, it's got five million views. And I think it was because a Trump campaign must have posted it back when he was running, right because and so I leave that there, and I you know, and I leave you know, I even have a PBS documentary on on on Andrew Jackson, and it's got three million views, you know, and because I'm the only one that has it, and PBS doesn't really do any copyright issues and stuff. So you know, yeah, I've got that, and I took I took down a lot of stuff, and you know,

I was playing by the rules. And since you know, since I'm only covering nine to eleven and stuff like that, you know I don't I don't cover other events, you know, other other stories, and you know, other topics you know I'm not covering you know, COVID. I wasn't covering any of that kind of stuff. And yeah, you know a lot of people lost their channels over that. I mean they even, you know, they if you even talk about it, they've already got some program on YouTube, you know, filtering out.

If they you know, you know they hear you even say that, say it, don't flag it. You know, they won't allow you to have it, or they give you a strike.

just to highlight them real fast. Let's see, you have debunking hoax and junk science theories of the nine eleven truth. Yeah, these playlists. I'm just pointing out a couple of things on your channel for people that are interested. But so you have a members section now where people can sign up in that way, you're gonna cut down.

But they gave it to me, and I'm you know, I post some of my stuff that's on Patreon, but they still have the copyright issues, so there's still you know, for people. You know, yeah, I would still recommend to be my Patreon versus paying YouTube membership, because yeah, I have more stuff on Patreon because YouTube's still giving you the copyright stuff even if you do membership.

think there's some acceptances like, yeah they may. I think they still allow you to still allow lose change on there, which you know, they advocate hoaxes too. But I think it's the whole popular thing, and I think it's because you got to pay now to watch it, because they got that rental thing going on on YouTube as well.

for things that didn't even make sense. But look, I don't want to keep you all day, So let's try and tie a bow around all this and give people an idea. We're giving them some very interesting ways that you're very different from the average nine to eleven percenter. So I appreciate you taking the time to do this and putting up with me going through the news too. But hey, look, I'm trying to have a little fun with this, right, But let's kind of tie a bow

on it. What would you say to people like if they've never seen your stuff or you know, why is it that I should dive back into this? I'm still interesting nine to eleven. I want to see new and different information. What is it that gets you, you know, get them from here to there? How is it that they want to come in and check out your stuff? Tell us.

was a bigger operation, and they you know, yeah, and of course the war on terror was bogus, you know, they we went all the way to Afghanistan, you know, and yet while we had all these people in prison here and unfortunately a lot of them were very likely guilty,

you know, Uh, and uh, they let them go. And you know, they our investigation was basically bombing Afghanistan and not even investigating the people were that were here arrested, and some of them were let go, you know, within two or three years because they had they had also convictions for other crimes.

the US. And of course that was all as sham and you know, meant to be held out there as the new need to attack these people over there was their reason to you know, consider them guilty of certain things maybe, but not the crimes you were told about,

you know. And here we go. So there's still people to be held accountable, and there's still agencies and governments to be held accountable quite literally for this which was no matter any way you slice it, a crime, uh, and many many crimes indeed that occurred on Stember eleventh, two thousand and one.

can focus on it. But I thought this would be good to just reintroduce you to people because you were on a long time ago, right.

to be held accountable for this. And even though it's been almost god almost twenty five years now, I mean, we're gonna come up on twenty fourth anniversary.

see it. DJ Thermal Detonator, So you know, I advise you to follow him on Twitter, check out his channel, sign up, get into his work, and you also take feedback about your work, I'm sure as well, right.