The Ochelli Effect 4-5-2024 Open Mic

All right, guys, it's Friday, Prior's Day, and we're gonna get the open mic started in a few minutes. It's uh just about two and a half minutes past eight pm Eastern here in what we used to call America America. Let me mute that problematic thing there, and you, guys, we're gonna be live shortly taking your calls at three p one nine five two seven five zero one six. But before that, how about we just let one track play all the way through on ohelly dot com. It's by Serrus

Minor and it's called You're Kidding Me? And I think I'm gonna be saying that as soon as we're done with the show tonight. But let's see, let's hold out good hope and all that stuff o'helly dot com. The Friday Night open Mic begins, and it'll be followed by the Age of Transitions and Uncle the Brook, my Grandma, my gosh. I have tasked to go to college, but smoke the derby. If I never stuff that thing, we I be do it well. You will be a shift within your dime

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four. Allegedly, according to that thing we call a calendar, this the o'celly effect. You listening to us, hopefully live, but if not, you're hearing us via they used to say memorys. I bet you you got to be at least forty years old to know what the hell that means. But anyway, that was an audio tape. You could be hearing the podcast later on, further on down the stream via your final slab of choice,

your applicable application. That's where most of you get it from. But here we are live, actually on a friar's day night, and it's just eight minutes past the hour of eight pm eastern here in what we used to call America. So I'm on the East coast. So that's what time it is for me, whatever time it is for you. You could let me know what time it is by joining in to the conversation. How do you do that? You could dial a phone three one nine, five two seven five

zero one six. That's three one nine five two seven five zero one six. That's the number to call or reach out to me Charles dot o'celly or on Skype. Normally I have a co host with me almost every Friday night, but he had work obligations and could not make it this evening. So it is what it is. It was what it was, and it's gonna be what is gonna be. So uh yeah, you can join me if

you want and be Pete's not here tonight. But I do have an idea that there might be a couple of other callers that are going to join and drop in some interesting information as we go. Could we look at the news this week? Are we gonna get bogged down in nothing but politics? Are we gonna talk about who died? What movie came out? Uh? Does somebody want to give a sports update? Good God? Am I gonna go

to sleep all the way up to ten pm when Uncle starts? Oh wait, uncle starts at eleven pm Eastern. Aaron's the Age of Transitions begins at ten pm Eastern, and I do believe he's got Alex I'm sorry with him again this week. So there you go, the Age of Transition will cut me off at ten pm no matter what's going on here, and hopefully you will be the thing that's going on you listening. If you're hearing us live just around ten minutes after eight pm Eastern on April the fifth, twenty twenty

four. If not, you're hearing us, you know ya a podcast. Like I said, you need a time machine to call us. But otherwise three one nine five two seven five zero one six three one nine five two seven five zero one six. Now I think I've given out the number enough. I think I've given the opportunity enough, and I've got our first caller already, so more hopefully to follow. Anyway, let's get straight to them

before I get to any of my thoughts for this week. Uh, you know, the ongoing battles in court with whoever and whatever for whatever, the selection process as it's chub chug chugging along, the fun and games that's being played, the warnings now so that Iran is set to attack us allegedly, there may be other things going on. The mainstream media is telling us that

Russia is about ready to start playing with our selection process again. That's what they're saying at least, is this going on, What is the purpose of it? You know what, I don't even seek the truth on these things anymore at this point, I just want to know why they're saying what they're saying, instead of if it's even true anymore, because truth, forget it, it's out the window. It's all subjective. Everybody's got their own.

It doesn't really seem to matter anymore. What is real, what actually has evidence, what makes sense? It's about how you feel about it, right. If you think it's okay, then it's okay, and if not, it's not. And you know you can back your favorite criminal for whatever it is you want. That's the way that goes. I mean, you know, you like the old man that seems to be totally out of it? Is he playing everybody? And really? Is he totally cognitively aware while he

looks like he lost keys about last week? I mean, is that possible? I saw a very interesting post from Murray Sabran, who's been on this show, Jack Blood Show. He's a libertarian thinker, the only guy to ever run for governor on the ticket officially a New Jersey under the Libertarian Party. Murray Sabran put out an article this week saying that Jill and Joe Biden are about to do a simultaneous well they used to call it a sex change,

but simultaneous gender reassignment. They said, yeah, so Jill is going to become Jack and Joe is maybe going to be Josephine. I forget what name they said that she was going to be. And Kamal has pissed. I guess she didn't get time to book it with the surgeon. I don't know. I don't know. It's a weird article. Maybe I'll read from that, maybe we'll read this from some other news. But it's not about all that tonight. It's not a about what I think or what's crazy or

not. Well, maybe it is, because we'll find out from you guys. First call her up, and I do recognize him as the great Jimmy James. So, Jimmy, you're first out of the gate. And uh hey, I didn't even really give my thoughts. I just filled time for a moment and gave options. But you'll get to drop the first thought, the first real part of the conversation tonight. What's up? Oh okay, now we're gonna have this problem tonight. I see Jimmy you were on the

line. Now you're gone. I don't know what happened, but anybody else who wants to join in three one nine, five, two seven five zero

one six you know that happened last night with David Mantick. I started a whole broadcast, did an introduction, you know, did my uh, sometimes painfully too long intro, and I thought I did a really kind and nice intro for David Mantick so he could talk about his latest book, The Final Analysis, which he co wrote with your own COURSEI and I didn't even, you know, put my negativity out there about Corsey because I don't think very highly of at this point in time. And yet I had everything tested,

ready to roll. He's on Skype. I'm looking at him, even though I don't need a video of him, I'm looking at him, and he's making no noise all of a sudden, even though we had tested and pre called and all that, and yeah, he just suddenly had no sound. So I went to what I thought was going to be a commercial break, and it took me a full forty five minutes to get David Mantick on the

air last night. So I did an hour and a half with Mantick plus the forty five minutes I wasted trying to get a sound live last night. But the same thing happened has just happened now with Jimmy James, where I went right to the caller and you know, I go hit the button, I'm all set to go and poof, no sound. Nobody's home. Anyway. It looks like Jimmy might have called back in, so I'm gonna get right to him. But you could listen to us as well and join in.

And if you call in, you should hear the show as it's being broadcast, and you'll be automatically on hold and I'll get right to you as soon as I can. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six that's the magic number to call in and join this conversation tonight without my co host b Pete. Anyways, I think I got Jimmy again, So let's try Jimmy James. You get to lead off the conversation for real again. Uh you know? Second? Take two? Take two? Brother? What's

up? Can you hear me now? I can? You were gone last time I went to the phone. Yeah, this line has been ton of lock. I'm sorry, man, I do pay the bill. I mean, you know, if I don't pay him in the phone, don't work. I get it. But they I just paid. Wait a minute, no, I'm about to pay that bill again. But I know they're paid up the date, so it should work. Just mine. I got one hundred lines. What's up? So it's on your mind tonight? Well the

week that was on on Charlie. So what about the Hancock interview? Did that ever happen? Oh, Larry, Yeah, I actually the podcast went out today from Wednesday, so you know, I mean, I'm about a day behind where I should be. But and David Mantick will go out late tonight or early tomorrow. But yeah, I mean I had Hancock on on

on Wednesday. We talked about his conference coming up for his UAP stuff right with that organization, that academic organization which they just had another paper peer reviewed, the SCU there and all that, And that's what I talked to him about on Wednesday. On Thursday, I talked to mantic about his latest book, which he co wrote with your own course, called The Final Analysis. Now, when Hancock was supposed to come on, I didn't hear it live.

You did not hear him live on the street right. Well, he went out live. I don't know why you didn't hear it, but he went out live. I recorded it. I have it. There was no problems. I had problems getting Mantak on last night, though. I went live about fifteen minutes late because he you know, at first there was a little difficulty and I thought everything was all set and I did a long, nice intro and then I said, so, doctor Mantick, how are you

tonight? And there was nothing there. He was still there, but there was no sound all of a sudden, So I went to a break. That one I heard, Yeah, that one I heard live, and I in between when he had technical difficulties, I heard the bit about when you were on the Blaze. I didn't you know around that channel? Oh yeah, I was on Yeah, it's Glenn Beck's network, and I was on with Pat Gray in the morning. I had to get up early in the morning for that one. But that was on YouTube. It's yeh, it's

on YouTube now. Afterwards, I who's Pat Gray again? Is he just like a commentator guy there or what he does the morning show on on Blaze TV? I mean, is he know him outside of that? I mean, I I've never heard of him. That's why that's just curious. Well, I don't know a lot about him, but you know what, we could do a quick cursory look up. I know he's been around a while.

And uh, you know, when when I sort of made a little joke about it, Wow, man, I can't believe you guys are this lively at seven in the morning, he kind of shot back at me a little little dig. Well, you know, when you're getting when you do this for a living, you gotta do what you gotta do, you know. I'm like, Okay, I get it. You're the pro, so of course you're lively at seven am. All right, Well here I am

the lowly amateur. How you doing, pat? You know, because they had this betting pool going regarding the worst president of all time, which they were talking about before they put me on, and I found their brackets interesting. They're doing like a you know, like a final what do they call that the sweet sixteen in basketball where you see the brackets and then they come down. It's really important about who makes it to the center bracket, you

know, in the big playoffs. They're doing this for the worst presidents of all time. And my vote was for Woodrow Wilson on there because just you know Jersey, so why not. But they had, you know, I think Barack Obama versus Jimmy Carter. I got to check their bracket. I'm not sure where they were at, but they were talking about it, and I thought, I'd say, Biden's already won that title. Jimmy Carter can go to the after life contact he's lost that title. Well, see,

that's exactly the point Pat Gray's producer was making on that show. I think, if I remember, I think it's the producer. I'm a little mixed up as to who was too. There were three guys on there. But let's look up Pat Gray though and see who who who he is outside of being the regular morning guy on you know, on what's his name's TV platform there, Pat Gray, Let's see TV yost. But it was it was a weird surprise, Like I didn't think I would make it on the Glenn

Becks network, you know so, but they invited me. It's not like I was listening for it and they wanted they wanted as much information as they could get out of me. I thought it was going to be one hour on JFK and turned out that I was on for the whole show where you know, they had lots and lots of questions, and did my best with him. So anyways, let's take a look at what he's got here. Well, it looks like he was a Fox News broadcaster at one point, you know, not a not a big not a big, huge name,

I guess. But Pat Gray Unleashed is the name of the show now, I guess. Looks like the podcast series, according to IMDb, might have begun in twenty seventeen, so it's been around a few years. I don't know. I'm just you know, skimming the information here. Interesting. Guy's got a nice, you know, one of those good, strong, solid, big voices, you know what I mean. Looks like, yeah, I found it interesting hearing this stuff in between the show that you taped.

Oh what was going on in between? What did I do? Oh? Yeah, right, was telling you? Yeah, yeah, he's really interested in this part, this part, So go at the that part. Oh yeah, yeah, Well what it is that I did the audio the last segment, and I just recorded the audio because I was sitting there, you know, waiting through the commercials, and I thought it was really interesting. The guy who was like, you know, the producer's assistant kind of telling me, hey, you know, get ready for this, and that.

I thought it was hilarious because he was asking me to get ready for stuff, and then they would never get to it. They would give me, you know, they would they would ask other questions and I would go, all right, well I was prepared to answer that, but you know, so I kind of was just trying to show you guys that no matter what they asked for, they went in different directions, so that I had to be like ready for everything, you know. I thought that would be interesting.

Oh was it their opening question? Yes, a lot of people died, a lot of people were murdered. Afterwards, tell us about that. Yeah, well, well that was the last segment. That's why if you watch the whole thing, that's not where they started, because they started with well, just you know, let's talk about what happened that day because they're in Dallas, uh, and so they were like, you know, just

a mile or two from here, you know, here it is. And I was like, well, gee, guys, I wish you would have been around for November because it would have made more sense since your local you could have come down and done Blaze TV coverage at the Lancer conference. You know, but okay, let me let me ask you this. Have you noticed that, okay, now that the guy that took over for uh oh whatever, the new the new darling of the podcasts the eight o'clock slid on

Fox. The new guy is Jesse Water or something. Jesse was doing a JFK minute all the time. Yes, mm hmm. Well, when I was younger, Jimmy, it seemed to me like people that were concerned about the JFK assassination and want of the truth and we're into the investigations and so on, it seemed to me like most of them would count themselves among the

left when I was very young, right. And at a certain point it changed and it seemed like it was more of a right wing concern as to the truth because the right wing was starting to accentuate the point that the government lies to you a lot. You know, I think it's about who wants to make the point about government lying to you. Whoever that is picks up the JFK assassination. If their politics lead them to want to continuously make that

point, then they pick up the JFK assassination. Go look at this because it makes sense. I mean, there were so many pieces and cover ups and misdirections, and I mean literally at certain points, seems like the CIA was funding the publishing of mentor books and counter films and all kinds of fun

stuff, you know, where it's it's weird. It's like, you know, suddenly money shows up through weird sell organizations to pay people a million dollars to write a JFK book, which you know, your average JFK author will tell you these books are not million dollars million dollar money makers. Okay. You know, Jim Douglas, who had one of the best selling books ever, didn't make that much money even though it was through a major publisher after

he released it through the small one and all that. These guys it's not a huge money maker, unlike what they used to say about us, you know, which is, oh, you guys are in this to make money, which is hilarious because anybody, Yeah, the only people that make money are the ones they're being paid by the government to make Pro Warrant Commission books. Well, right, you know, Vince Boogliosi got a million dollars just to start work on his book, right. Uh, some of these other

guys get you know, the million dollar contract. I mean Posner, I remember his contract details were out there and then disappeared. I forget what it was. But he had a nice advance and you know, and his his book was completed really quickly. Jimmy. Yeah, Now there's a weird guy. I could swear. I just listened to a podcast series that was excellent and the Vatican goings on in the late seventies and early eighties, and I'm pretty sure it was him, and it was just full of conspiracy, this,

that and the other thing. And I'm like, Okay, how is this the same guy? Gerald Posner? Yeah, yeah, oh you got it. You gotta send me a link to that. Yeah, you got to send me a link to that, because I've never heard that. Yeah, google it for me, but I want to make sure it is Gerald Posmal because his name was definitely Posmal. Yeah, because something was wild ago. I'll tell you if that's true. I got something to talk about then,

because that's really bizarre. So Gerald Posner podcast from when I would say a few years ago, and that was on the Vatican and honestly, it's a no holds bar he's talking about Pops getting killed with ours and he's talking about the bank and scandals. It was excellent. Wow, like crap,

how canst be the same guy? Yeah, that doesn't sound right because you know Gerald Posner every time he arrives anywhere to make a comment about this, what his usual stance is is that, you know, people want to believe in a conspiracy. And why do they want to believe in a conspiracy because they don't want to believe that the great man JFK was struck down by the

loser Oswald. And that's like his go to that's his mantra. Now, I am not seeing anything that looks like that with Gerald Posner connected to it. Matter of fact, all I see is anti stuff. There's this YouTube video that apparently okay, this is about the document release and yeah, here he goes. He comes out and basically says, look, nothing to see here, folks. Uh, you know, and I put in Vatican into

the search. I'm not seeing that stuff, Jimmy. Tell you what, though, I would love for you to find it for me and send me a uh yeah, please send me a link to anything you can find on it, because that's that's crazy. Sounding to me. I got another caller. I'm gonna take that caller, but I'll come back to you, Jim, all right, So, but but see if you can find that podcast. If you got another device nearby, three go. I did find one article, and I'm gonna paste it in the chat room. Yeah, what's

color? Sorry? Yeah, excellent, good. Put that in the chat room and we'll get back around to you. I I'd love to see that. I mean, I'm seeing this thing with Mark Zaid and a bunch of things. Just doing a quick search on Posner. But positor supporting like Vatican conspiracy. That would be wild as hell. I'd love to hear that.

That would be hilarious. But I suspect it's probably not Gerald Posner, or if it is a Jerald Posner, it's not the same Gerald Posner that wound up, by the way, getting defended in court by Mark Lane of all people, when he had his problems with his plagiarism case. I think. Anyways, I got another caller and appears as though they're from well their phone is from Tennessee, but I don't know who it is. So anyway, you're live on the Friday night open Mic. How you doing a good,

good evening. What's up body? Hey? How you doing? Man? Do I know who this is? Do I know who this is? I'm way out in the country, so there's gonna be a little bit of elect live we have in the country. I'm calling over watch side things, so we'll have to try not to step on one another with this delay. Ah okay, yeah, try not to move around too much either. Your signals a little shaky. But I do believe I have Doug Campbell with me. Is that correct? That is correct? Sir? Ah okay, Doug.

You know I don't have be Pete with me tonight. He ended up last minute not being able to come. So it's just me and the callers tonight, my friend, and you're one of them. Uh So you had something in mind though that I found interesting that you communicated to me off air. So I'd love to just kind of give the floridia for a couple of minutes here and let you begin with a uh you know again, audience, be

prepared for this one. A topic of conversation, perhaps a conspiracy theory, indeed, that Doug might be interested in that is not ready not the JFK assassination. Is that correct, Doug. Well, you you piqued my interest. I was. I was going down the road listening to listening to I think you you upload the shows a couple of days late at you know, yep, and I heard you guys talking about this puffy puffy thing, right, And I heard you mentioned the Biggie Small's murder. You asked the Pete,

well, we don't really have a definite thing on that. And I was like, oh wow, finally somebody I could maybe talk to about this because I went down this whole rabbit hole like here a while back, you

know, the Biggie and Tupac murders. And he just prefaced. I was actually talking to Rob Clark today and I told him that what I do, And it's kind of an inside joke, but you will understand when I I wanted to know, first of all, joke that every bit of melage on this subject, I have a bachelor's degree from YouTube University on to Tupac can be Okay, all right, that's impressive. I'm with you that. Listen, these are qualifications that I do not possess, uh, you know,

and I am always eager to learn new things. I mean, I've got my views on both of these murderers. But yeah, go ahead. I was just watching a bunch of YouTube videos to maybe some of the people that I might complain about in the JFK research community when it comes to the Bigie and Tupac thing. I am those people. But let me say it's interesting

as hell, you know, the whole thing. So, and I told me and Rob were talking today and I said, well, look, I've got like the YouTube university degree, and I've read two whole books on the subject. And I said, well, if I actually go on a podcast and speak on it, because that's oh, we might have lost Doug. No, no, you you you were gone. You were gone there for me? Your signal drops? Sorry go ahead, we didn't. You said, you know, if I go on a podcast and speak about this,

and then you were gone? Sorry, go ahead? Did that makes me in it? Right? I'll tell you, man, your signals breaking up? Ah, this sucks. Your signals breaking up? Doug? Can you hear me? Yeah? I can hear you? Fine, Wow, okay, but your signal is really bad. So I'm sorry. Go ahead, try again. You want to see where I live? Hey, what about now? Is that better? That's a little better. Go ahead. I

mean it's in and out, so you know it's it's weird. I mean I live in making, so it's not you know, I'm not I'm near civilization allegedly, so uh, you know, I understand, but but give it a shot. Okay, you can hear me. Well, when the signals better, we'll do skype for something. But uh, you know, I Uh, as far as the Biggie thing, I think we do have

a definitive answer. He was murdered. I believe he was not not the crooked cop theory, but that it was a con and uh it was a mob piru gang banger named Fows that was known as Poo and uh the evidence that uh that the but the goat you know, between Shug and this gang banger is pretty com and you should look into it. Check that out. Okay, Doug, I'm putting you on hold for a minute because I'm sorry, but you're you're so broken up. We heard like biggie Shug and gang

banger and we didn't hear the rest of the sentence. So I don't know what to do. But you're your signals, rough man. If you could figure out a way to stabilize that or something. Let me know, or I'll come back to you in a little bit. Maybe you can fix it on the line, because I want to hear what you have to say. I'm missing half of what you're saying because it's going but you're doing that a lot, so I'm sorry. Man. You said you could hear me,

fine, but we are not hearing you fine. And I know the listeners are like, what the hell is Doug talking about? But he's talking about the Biggie and Tupac murder. You might have gotten that part of it, but the details have been all scrambled. So let's see if you can take a couple of minutes and find your way to a better signal somew because we're not hearing it. I gotta hear this, you know, and I'd love

to hear it. I'd love to hear anything new on this. Quite honestly, it sounded to me like you might have suggested that we have a fairly definitive answer when it comes to Chris Wallace getting killed. That would be a big in the Biggie and Tupaca piasco. But you know, do we have other answers. We had news from the Tupaca circumstance not too long ago. But notice how that went right the hell out of the media too, that's gone. Who's responsible? What happened? Worthyes? You know? Is it

just business and nothing personal? What happened? I would love to know. I've got a couple of answers in my mind about a few things, but I would never come out and definitively say I've done all the research, or I've got it together, or I don't even have the good YouTube university degree that you said, Chad, But I'd love to hear it. Anyways. I'd love to hear from any of you guys. So what I'm gonna do right now is take a quick break and come back around. I don't have

my coach with me, but hopefully I can have you with me. You the listener, if you're hearing us live about let's see eight thirty six or seven pm in the Eastern time zone here on the Ocelli Effect, we are taking your calls at three one nine five two seven five zero one six, or reach out to me Charles dot o'chelly on Skype. Tell me you want to be part of the show, and I will call you on Skype. Otherwise, you can call me three one nine five two seven five zero one

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Otherwise standard way three one nine five two seven five zero one six. I'll probably be repeating that in my sleep for the next few years for certain. Thus far, we've heard from Doug Campbell briefly, although his signal was bad, and Jimmy James. Now I've got an unknown caller on the line, so I'm gonna go straight to them, and we'll get back around to Jimmy and we'll get around to everybody on the show. I got time until Aaron Franz goes live with the Age of Transitions at ten pm Eastern, and I

think Alex I'm sorry, will be with him again tonight. So ought to be an interesting show always is with Aaron, and he's been on some weird tears. Lately. He's gone into politics, which even though Uncle thinks everything is politics with Aaron, it didn't used to be. But lately he's gone in that direction, and I don't know what to say. I didn't know what was gonna happen. Also didn't know he was gonna stop taking calls, but I haven't stopped. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six

No bet Pete tonight. But let's see who's on the line next. And I have an unidentified caller. How you doing? What's going on? Hey, Chris Moke? How you doing with Chlly? Hey Chris, how you doing? Hi? Not too bad? All right? Well, but you know, I'm glad to hear from you. I really don't want to explain how I'm doing, because I mean, I can spend the next what hour probably telling you about my what, my depression, my aches and pains, my problems all week. You want to hear all that you want, You

want me to want to do it. The puppies are really the nicest, most pleasant part of my day, even if they're even the ones that don't know yet not to pee on my floor. Are are actually the most pleasant part of my day. Everything else, everything else is having trouble cooperating with me, apparently, which, by the way, I have a brand new and the last I hope litter of puppies because we had Buster fixed and anybody who was in the Making Georgia area and would give a loving home to a

loving little animal. I do have seven puppies left to give away. They're not ready to be separated from mama, but in a few weeks they will be. And I'd love to rehome them to some buddy who's going to take care of them, because I'm not keeping these seven. We've already got four and maybe five now that we're gonna wind up keeping. And they're little dogs. They're little dogs, everybody. It's not you know, it's not the

whole Alabama trailer park joke. You know how many dogs died when the governor's mansion collapsed. Well, you got to check with the trailer park. No, it's not that. But yeah, I got lots of little dogs and seven that need new homes immediately. So yeah, in the next couple of weeks, we'll be able to separate them from mom. They're either almost all white or they're black and white kind of like kind of like markings that one of those black and white cows would have on it, like one of those

heifers you see with the black and white on it. That's kind of the coloring on them. And they're mainly docs and but little dog mix Chihuahua Docs and miniature German pincher. And I call them the Mighty Mini MutS and really think that this breed ought to be named after me because this weird little combination. Uh, they're they're a mutt. They're they're like a designer dog that'll

stay small, but they're a mutt and they're really cute. And of course, one of my best friends in the whole world, because I don't have any friends in real life, is a Buster, right, And Buster is my buddy, and he's the one who knocked up all the females and made all these letters. We got him fixed, and I didn't really want to do that, but I can't handle the onslaught of puppies. So anyway, Chris, sorry, I went on a long rant about puppies because you brought

them up. But I do love them. But damn well, I'll tell you. Let me tell you something crazy that happened this week too. Maybe it'll inspire you, depending on where you want to go in your call. I was sitting here on I think it was Sunday night, and I was trying to get some work done. And I was doing stuff and I look over to my left and there's a shelf in my office, a plastic crap

shelf, and it has a lot of stuff on it. Well, I heard this weird noise and I had the puppies in a cardboard box with their mama right next to the shelf. This shelf collapsed and I had to jump up. This is true. I had to jump up and literally keep this avalanche of books and all kinds of heavy stuff from falling on the box of

puppies. And I guarantee you some of them would have been killed because this shelf, which is about like three let's see one, two, four shelves high, collapsed, you know, the top three levels collapsed like you know, like like a skyscraper kind of. They didn't fall in their own footprint. They were going toward the puppies, uh. And there was a lot of books and everything else, and somehow I jumped up, grabbed the shelf

and was able to direct it away. But it was sort of like the catch all junk shelf in my office, which had books and magazines and file and I mean everything on it of all sorts plus a bunch of junk sort of exploded in the office and went everywhere and almost fell on the puppies and crushed them. But I prevented that and none of them were harmed. But my office is still, as I speak, a wreck. I worked on it for a couple hours just so I could walk through the mess. But

I have a total disaster message. I'll tell you. If I had a friend right now, i'd be recruiting them to come over my house and please help me clean my office up, because it's a total disaster now from this collapse shelf. But anyway, why do I tell you this? Because I saved the puppies somehow. I jumped up from my chair as the shelf was collapsing and falling, caught the shelf and was able to direct all of these things, including many heavy books again, but I mean pens and bottles and

cans and all kinds of stuff supplies. I had some snacks up there, I had another pair of shoes up there. It was a catch all shelf, and this shelf has basically floated and gone all over my office. But I was able to shelter the puppies from the collapsing shell to break something. Yeah, something did it. And it was a weird if you saw the way that this happened, Like my son freaked out. He's like, what

the hell is all that? I said, Ah, the shelf collapsed, and he came running and he went, oh my god, Oh my god. You started running around the house, and he's you know, he overreacts. But I'm like, hey, come in here and help me. I got stuff everywhere. Help me. I'm trying to make sure this doesn't fall on the puppies. I'm standing there holding it, you know, and he's running away, going, oh my god. And nobody else was home, by the way, so it's not like he was going to get mom.

Anyway. This was the scene on Sunday night. Kind of hurt my back a little doing that, but yeah, that's the way my week started is with the exploding shell. Anyway. I don't know if anybody finds this interesting, but what the hell? So now I'll shut up, Chris, what's on your mind? Hey for what if you don't how old your son? If you don't let me ask him, No, I got a five year old. I'm just curious. Yeah, he's nine, but emotionally sometimes younger

you know, but not. Yeah. Yeah, I've got an older son. To my older son, he's Jesus, he'll be twenty one this year. Oh, I've got I've got a as well, so I've got fun at the younger ages. Listen, I've got a I've got a boy that lives in North Carolina that is going to be twenty two this year. So yeah, I got Yeah, I got both ends of the spectrum there. Yeah, they're funner as a younger, aren't they. Uh yeah, usually, But I don't know. I think my boys are just no fun most

of the time. Anyway. I get along so much better with my daughter, who's the oldest of my children. But anyway, we're not going to go there tonight. Let's let's not talk family relations. It isn't the Doctor Phil show. Uh but anyway, Yeah, no, I know what it's like. I got the adult and I've also got the kiddie. So yeah. Anyways, So what else is on your mind? Chris? Sorry, I keep asking that question and not letting you answer it. No, it's

okay. I don't really have too much to contribute to the TUPAC discussion, but just wanted to know what your preparations were for the ore impending doom coming April eighth. Oh, the eclipse, the rocket, the demonic rockets being fired at the moon, what the different types of locust. I'm gonna I could list off probably three or four more things. I think. Oh yeah, the world is ending again? Right, Well, you know, here's that's what That's what they said. Here we go again. What was it

last September or two septembers ago was supposed to happen to? Well, it's the day after my birthday, So make of that what you will, right, because it's the eighth and my birthdays April seven, So there you go. Wa When is Easter? Did Easter happen? Easter happened already? Yes, okay, never mind, I'm trying to think of something to correlate it to. What's good? It's a week before tax Day. What else happens in April? Yeah, I suppose I mean King assassination month. I don't

know what else goes on in April. Not much, I guess, right. I gotta tell you. Somebody sent me a Skype message Hitler's birthday. No, that's not the eighth, I don't think. Yeah, that's the twentieth, though, that's not the eighth. I don't know what. Why don't we look up and see what? What? Actually? You know? Like, do one of those this day in history look ups for April eighth ahead of time. Let's see what it would you know, correspond to?

Right, let's do that while we're talking April eight in history. Let's try that. See what it says on my my doubled search engine. This one one that's not supposed to work with Google, and one that does work with Google, even though it doesn't say Google on it. Let's see most significant thing that comes up. In eighteen seventeen, the New York Stock Exchange is founded. He likes. Susan B. Anthony addresses the US House of Representatives

in eighteen eighty four. I don't know. I'm not seeing much excitement yet. Let's see April eighth, the city of city of Ula, Finland is founded by Charles the ninth of Sweden. All right, what do you do? Let's go to history dot com and see because sometimes they have some interesting like this is the stuff that happened on this day. And I sometimes start by this day in history. I used to do this day in History on the podcast a lot and I don't know. People just didn't really dig it,

so I stopped doing it. Let's see, they're giving me a bunch of videos. See that's the other thing nowadays, Like if you want to go get some texts real fast, it's not always there, you know. Oh yeah, it's much harder to find information nowadays. That does it. Honestly seem like the a lot of testaments scrub from the internet. Yeah, and anything that wasn't scrubbed, they've turned it into a game or a video or you know, some other crap. Oh, here we go. Historical

events on April eighth, according to this website. Oh here we go. Here's one in eleven forty nine, Pope Eugene the Third takes refuge in the castle. Okay, yeah, let's see what else we got. Let's go to some more modern times. Maybe we'll bring it down here. Venus de Milo blah blah. John dye Lynde eighteen sixty Okay, American Museum in Natural History opens in New York City. Okay, Italy and Prussia a lie against Austria and Hungaria and Hungary in eighteen sixty six. And maybe we got to

go to the nineteen let's go to nineteen hundreds. All right, Russia and China signed the Convention of Evacuation, under which Russia agrees to evacuate Manchuria within eighteen months. British mystic Aleister Crowley describes the first chapter of the Book of the Law. On nineteen oh four. Okay, let's see, Great Britain and France established their Antiquitiel, a technical treaty setting along standing disagreements over Monico, Egypt, Africa, and the Pacific. Okay, New York City changes

the name of who cares. Let's say blah blah blah b seventeenth Amendment of the United States Constitutions ratified by Congress, providing for election of senators by popular vote. All right, opening of China's first Parliament takes place in Peking now, Beijing. Let's see, US and Columbia sign a treaty concerning the Panama Canal. Norway approaches active and passive female suffrage. All right, what else? Come on to be something else? Here? King Zog, the first

of Albania, flees after Italy invades. In nineteen thirty nine, German battlecruisers sink British aircraft carrier Glorious. This day, and was it nineteen forty nineteen forty? All right, what else we got here? NFL's draft, Frank, Oh, come on nineteen forty three. No, I don't need the NFL. All right, Let's go to nineteen fifty two. US President Harry Truman seizes steel mills to avert a strike. Netherlands and Germany sign a cord

concerning war casualties. In nineteen sixty, US Senate passes civil rights bill with measures against discriminatory voting practices. In nineteen sixty Okay, I don't know. I'm not seeing much interesting here, correlating with April eighth, fortieth Academy Awards postponed April tenth due to death of Martin Luther King. Well that's something.

Let's see nineteen sixty A check Slovakia. Let's see Time publishes is God Dead issue its first issue without an image in nineteen sixty six, begins brought a TV station begins broadcasting like that's what is that? First Major League Baseball game featuring a Canadian team, The Montreal Expos, of course, beat the New York Mets eleven to ten at Chase Stadium in nineteen sixty nine. All right, Senate rejects Nixon's nomination of Judge G. Harold Carswell first legal off alright,

garbage, garbage, garbage, NFL draft? What else we got here? People's Republic of China joins International Olympic Committee. In nineteen seventy nine. Islanders scored nine goals against Toronto in the playoffs in nineteen eighty one. Wow, eighty one was a slow year. Well, let's see US Census Bureau estimates rank Los Angeles's second most populated city, displacing Chicago, Okay. In file suit against the Union, carbide over Okay. Blah, blah blah.

California Angels. Pitcher Jim Abbot, born without his right hand, makes his Major League baseball debut, lasting only four and two thirds innings in nineteen eighty nine. I remember that. Let's see, Yes, he was the pitcher, Jim Abbot. He was one handed. Yeah, oh, really left handed pitcher? One handed he was? He was one hand I forget if he was left handed or right handed. But he kept his glove on his stump, and then after he threw, he would grab the glove off his

stump and put it on the same hand he just threw with uh. That's what he would do. No, go ahead, yeah, you know you could. You could find that online somewhere. Pitcher Jim Abbot born with without his right hand. Yes, so he would have to be a left handed pitcher. That's correct. Let's see Atlanta b well is, Atlanta Braves, Kent Merker no hits the Dodgers, all right, Japanese Prime Minister nineteen ninety four, smoking band in Pentagon and all US military basis all right. Let's

see Tony Tucker's seven rounds win vacated? What is this the vacated boxing title? Right? Yikes? I mean, what have we got here? Nineteen US Marines are killed when a V twenty two Ospray tilt roter aircraft crashes near Mary. Okay, that's uh, that sucks, But what are you gonna do? What else we got here? One hundred and sixty three people killed in fifty thousand are displaced after tribal violence erupts in darfour, Sudan in twenty

thirteen. No, I'm not seeing anything that would be like world shaking here on April eighth, and I'm already into the twenty twenty Saudi Back twenty twenty Saudi Back coalition fighting Houti fighters in Yemen calls for a ceasefire after five years to stop the spread of COVID Yikes in twenty twenty. This is what they're saying. World Trade Organization predicts a drop in global trade greater than two thousand and eight financial crisis, again due to COVID three thirty two percent for twenty

twenty Yikes. Seventh Night of unresting Belfast in twenty twenty one Northern Ireland, even after joint call for calm. All right, first all private space Axiom one launches to the International Space Station in twenty twenty two. And that's it. There is not much correlating to April eighth in history from what I see. Well, maybe you to make the difference. Huh, Well, there you go, there you go. So look, I've got other callers. I'm gonna move on to him, Chris, just because, and I'll come

back around to you though if you hang around. So I'll come back around. Let's see who's up next. Uh, looks like I got a call. You know what This could indeed be Yes, I think this is the return of Doug Campbell. Maybe he's got a better signal. Doug is that you and the not much. I was going through this day in history for April eighth, because it was apparently the world's supposed to end the day after

my birthday. So we decided to check on it and see if there was any other interesting dates in history or interesting occurrences on April eighth that we could correlate it to. Uh. Yeah, that's one of the latest, like you know, paranoia themes out there is that you know, once again we're gonna have some calamity on the eighth of April. That's gonna be like world ending. So nobody told me. Nobody told me. Nobody told me until

tonight either. I started looking it up, and he's right, it's the the chatter and the Uh there's a weird contingent on the internet that's, you know, the the constant doomsday people. Uh and yeah, they they just like in what was the two septembers ago, the world was supposed to end. Well, apparently it's gonna end again on the eighth because of the eclipse

and a few other things. And I don't know all the reasoning, but I decided to check in history see if there was anything remarkable about April eighth and uh seems like no, so oh so well no Biggie. Well I'm thinking no, Biggie, but you never know. Look, one of these days I'm going to be wrong about you know, is the world going to end tomorrow? If you ask that question every single day for eternity, eventually

the world will. Indeed, you're right, Yeah, that's it. You know, if every day you tell somebody you know they're gonna die, eventually, you'll be right. Uh but you know that's right. Yeah, So uh, anyway you go, you got a better signal. So I'd like

to return to your discussion. And also I see some other callers on the line besides the people we've already heard from, so love to turn the floor back over to you and let you go at it because I got plenty of time here to work with and no co hosts, So go right ahead.

We were talking, or you were starting to talk about Biggie and Tupac and how you have the YouTube University degree on this, and uh, yeah, man, go ahead, I've got a bachelor's from YouTube University from watching like five days were the videos and we got snowed in excellent, So I figure, yeah, and then I read two books, so that makes me an expert. Right, you know what? Really quick? I love when people do this on JFK to me where they go, I've seen stuff on YouTube

and I read all the books. One time this guy emphatically said I read all the books, and I said, all the books? Really? How many do you count among the books? Well? I read three three? You read three books? Yeah, I read three books. Do you think that's all the books? Huh? Okay, So anyway, but maybe there's less books on this go go ahead. I helped you add me in a

JFK assassination discussion group on the dreaded Facebook. Right. And one of the we have membership questions and they're all multiple choices, right, And I think a lot of people think that that you get you get you know, accepted into a group if you just bother to answer the question. And there's actually question number two. If not, that's they're all wrong answers. And question number two is where do you get the majority of your research material? And

one of the choices is you too? That will if that's your answer to that question, that will immediately get you barred from the group. That's great and should be MM hmm, yeah, yeah, But I say that I'm poking in front of myself because you guys were discussing this this all this weirdness with puff Daddy, you know that's going on in the raids and stuff, right, And as I was saying before, when I called in with the

crappy signal, and I kind of got stuck down that rabbit hole. The whole Death Row records and the mot the the the stories behind, you know, interviews and stuff with some of the some of the gang members that ran with Death Row, you know, during that time, during the whole you know, during the nineties, it was a big gang culture kind of kind of company, right, and almost everybody in the world was saying, yeah, the music was not right. Almost every almost everybody in the world at

that point was saying, look, Sugar Knight's a gang banger. He's got lots of killer gang bangers around him. He's a thug. After all, he dangled Vanilla Ice from his ankles off of a hotel balcony, uh, you know, in order to have him sign over the rights to Ice Ice baby, right, so you know he killed people. Come on, that's the answer. That was the answer for a while. That stood, right, go ahead, Well for the Biggie thing, you know, and I heard you got I heard you ask me p the question, you know,

like do we have a definitive answer? And I'm know I'm by no means an expert, you know, but I have seen like a lot of interviews with this to take them Greg Cating that led the Biggie task Force in LA, and I think I agree with him. I think it's it's it's not unsolved, it's just unprosecuted, you know. I know there were like two competing theories. One of them had this guy Raphael Perez and David Matt who were these supposed they were they were crooked LA cops who robbed banks, and

there was one theory that these guys had done it. But I believe, I believe the theory that in the confession, you know, out of the chick that Greg Cating and his task force were able to get in the Biggie killing, that it was a mob piru gang banger that worked for should Knight named Wardell Poucci Fowls okay, and he was aw I think the story was

he was paid fourteen grand totally. Well, you know, it is much more reasonable to me that it was contract killing based on the way it went down, and a bunch of strange things happened, and you know, there's a bunch of weird circumstances. Forget about the witnesses who didn't see nothing. I mean, that's just gonna happen in circumstances like this. But it seemed

to me like it was right for contract killing. That's why the cop thing almost made sense, because in New York there was a bunch of times that they came up with you know, cops that they couldn't quite stick them with the contract killing, but they knew that the contracts were offered to some of these guys who were getting paid off to do all sorts of things in New York before and La, I mean, come on, man, LA,

is you know crooked police? Tell me that if there's a encyclopedia that has that as a listing, that the Los Angeles, you know police department doesn't come up in the first couple of references in any encyclopedia on crooked cops. I mean, come on, So it made sense to me the the guy that was the head of security for death row records is an ex cop but he's not an x L A cop. He worked for the Compton Police Department

in Compton, California. His father was the hit. His father was the head of the of the End of the Game task force right in Compton, which later got shut down for corruption. Uh well, actually they shut the entire Compton Police Department down. But the father of the guy that was Dethro Records Security chief, a guy named Reggie Wright, was the head of the task force that was shut down for corruption. So and Reggie Wright he was

with He was with death Row for a long time. Matter of fact, I think he was like managing director of death Row even after shub Knight went to prison. Yeah, he was. He was in charge of taking care of a lot of stuff while Sube Knight was locked up. And I remember that from one of the long documentaries I watched. They went through that whole thing with Reggie Wright. So yeah, go ahead. Yeah, that guy he's still doing like a speaking to YouTube a YouTube episode to day on this

stuff. It's crazy. It's like, you can't let it go weird, man, it's weird. But did you ever hear the story that of the confession that that task force got out of sug Knight's mistress as far as the Biggie killing, I remember, see, I don't remember her being the mistress. It seemed like she was an angry girlfriend, right, And I had seen a couple of interviews with her where she didn't give up much. And then there was supposedly a confession that was gotten in private, and I don't

know if that was taped or not. There was something about that, Wasn't there something about she was taped or wasn't taped And we weren't sure where the tape was. Wasn't that part of that? Or am I mixing things up? Well? They it was written down, but not tape. The guy that they just arrested for killing Tupac, a cat named Katy D who's the south Side crip. He was taped. They did tape his little proper agreement confession on the Tupac killer, but they didn't take this other this other chicks

and from one understand, they're there. She's twisted in in the in the profer agreement under an alias. But she was apparently sug Night's mistress or one of his mistresses, and they had her on a bunch of broad money laundering, taking car titles and ships for stolen cars. So they kind of hung that over her head, you know, to get a proper agreement about the

biggie thing. And apparently Kating in his task force already had all this information about kind of a lot of the information about what went down, so he crafted a fake confession from this Pucci guy and they got her in this proper agreement and he says, well, this is what Pouccie wrote before he died. And she said, oh wow, well he got this. This is wrong, and this is wrong, but it's basically what happened, and she

laid it all out. Apparently, apparently David Kenner, this guy David Kenner, who was Shug's attorney and I think business partner, snuck her into prison about six months after Tupac got killed because Sugar actually got violated, I think violated his parole because of the MGM fight and he went back to jail. Well, Kenner sneaks her in as under the guise of a legal assistant, into a meeting with Shug and Sugar basically set it up. I want you

to go to Poucci, ask him how much money it's gonna take. I want this done. She meets with this guy he tells him or he says nine grand I believe, which he later came back and asked for five more to get out of town. And that's kind of the way it went. She got the money, paid him off, and apparently this Pucci came who was one of the mob pirut guys that were always around Death Road, you know, the bloods that always hung out. He was part of that whole

set right, and apparently pulled it off. He was killed like a year and a half later, driving down the road on his motorcycle, shot like seventeen times in the back or something. Yeah, you're right. All these guys were hardcore gang bangers from what I understand from my studies at YouTube University

and the only two books I've ever read on the subject. So I'm just saying, well, look, it makes sense though, because much like when people bring up you know, look at all the murders that happened after the JFK assassination, and you have to make subsets because if you're in certain lines of work, my brother, your lifespan is not that long. It's just

that simple. Uh, you know, look at the gangsters who were murdered, no kidding, you know, it's like, yeah, you know, so the idea that a lot of the gang bangers who would have been part of the connective tissue of this or you know, are are dead already. Color me way not shocked thirty years later, right, I mean, you know, within a year or two is all you got because a lot of

these guys will die or wind up into prison somewhere. They end up in the shoe okay, the segregated housing unit, and that's the end of them. They drop off, the end of the world gone. So you know, man, most of these guys, I can think of one of these cats that ran with that death row set back then that didn't either end up in prison or dead. And he does a lot of interviews kind of you know, about the whole time, and I actually enjoy listening to him.

He's got a lot of the history down. But there's only like one guy that made it out in state, you know, right, one guy. And you know, you draw the parallel to the jfk assascination, and you know, depending on what set of potential of one of what's the word potential shooters? What set of potential you know? And I kind of concentrate on the paramilitary side of things with the anti Castro Cubans. And you know a lot of those guys didn't make it out a lot either. Well, but

the goose after yeah, you know, we started dropping off too. Let me ask you before I jump off of you those let me ask you one question out of left field on the JFK assassination based on a document that I recently ran across that we're gonna do on quick Kits with Rob. I'm gonna I'm gonna share it in a couple of weeks. But this is just you know a lot about this brother, you know a lot about the history of the researchers and this, and I know this is gonna sound kind of out

of left field, but I'm gonna throw mame at you. Okay, are you ready? Bernard Finster Wall mm hmm, true benevolent truth seeker or c I A and or I don't know what you want to call it, deep state whatever, controlled opposition? What do you think off the top of your head? I would have to put him in the same category as Epstein and why because a lot of his actions don't make sense and believe it or not, there's a couple of sacred cows in the JFK research community that I think

don't need to be so sacred and uh Fenser Wald. I look, I can't prove it, but I would say to you that he is definitely a sketchy looking when it comes to his uh motivations. I wouldn't say that I could prove anything definitively, but I mean, you make me have to, uh, you know, flip a card on the back of the front on him. I gotta tell you I would put him in the controlled opposition pile if I have to, because I've always gotten sort of that feeling myself.

But and I don't want to give up to I don't have the document with me, So to your listeners, we listen to quick Hits in a couple of weeks with Rob Clark and myself and we'll read it. But I found an interesting letter took in at the Mary Farrell Foundation in a file that it probably just shouldn't have been in, you know, filed lots of documents. It's a letter from nineteen seventy one from Bernard Finsterwald to a man named Lawrence J. Houston, who at the time was the I believe General Counsel to

the Central Intelligence Agency. Yeah, okay, now you know, yeah, I do. That's interesting. What what is curious? What? What? What did you find in that letter? Because I've never heard of this letter, but I know who you're talking about. He wants he's requesting a meet up at a discreet location that he's and he suggests a very discreet location and he wants to bring along somebody from mister Houston to meet. Yeah, okay,

well that's really as Colonel named Leroy Fletcher Cloudy. Are you kidding now, sir? Uh uh oh wow, Okay, well that go ahead. I'm just saying that's interesting, but I don't have it with me. But I wanted to get your take on whether Sinster Wallen is benevolent or possibly not, you know, for that reason, and I'm gonna ask a couple of

other people in our in the research community, the same question. And before maybe I read the letter, I'll read these opinions off, you know, you and a couple of other people, and then we'll read the letter and you know, just let everybody to get their take on it. Yeah, my journey wants to meet somewhere in discreet, quiet, and he wants to introduce prouty. Yeah, that's really odd. And I'll tell you this, Uh to me again, I would say that I can't you know, absolutely

say for certain off the bat anything. But if I had to place him somewhere, and you're telling me, look, man, he's got to go in one pile or the other. You can't leave him on the table. Right. We're separating people into the benevolent researcher who's actually you know, doing an honest search for something and the people that are out there actively trying to undermine things and are probably being controlled and have an agenda that is about making

sure people don't get at the truth. He has to go in that pile. I think he was, Yeah, I think he was working against him. What you're saying, there's no other right, If there's no other pile, he goes in the not benevolent pile. Right. But but I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't snap to it right away. But you know a bunch of things with him over the years, and you're you're telling me something new that would add to it, you know, that might make me push

him over there quicker, you know what I mean? But but that's that is awfully strength. Hey, absolutely anytime, and I'm always happy to hear from you, Doug. And I'm glad we got the phone line straightened out because I needed to hear from my doctorate. You know, my friend with the eight Did you say doctorate or you have a bachelor's degree? I have a bachelor's degree. Bachelor's degree from YouTube. Well it's more than I got

bachelor's degree from YouTube University. Fair enough. That's your take on Biggie and Tupac, And I appreciate it, man, really I do. But I keep helping home. I will say this. Rob and I were talking earlier and and we were wondering if you know how it is nowadays even in the JFK research community. Now that I appeared on a podcast and spoke on the teapocket Biggie thing, does that automatically make me an expert? Depends on who you're talking to, right, heymen, brother there Kelly. It has been

fabulous talking to you, dude. It was wonderful hanging with you at Lancer, and man, we'll talk again very soon, sir, I promise absolutely. Hey, listen, you know Lancer is being planned for this year for the twenty second straight on, just letting you know. They don't have the location yet, but that's where it's gonna be on the twenty second. Are you going to be there? I'm involved in the planning, so yeah, I then I'll be there. How about that? And I'll be there too.

Sounds good. We need to redeem a few things from last time, I think, and not not things that were necessarily our fault. But yeah, I think we need to make it a better sixty one than we had at the sixty. You know what I'm saying. And you know what, we had a really good sixty. So yeah, I think that's possible. But cool beans, man, I will talk to you down the road, brother, you'd be good till vp't. I said, Hey, and man,

well, how at your brother? We'll do Doug Campbell again, you know, and you'll be able to catch up on that stuff he was talking about on quick Hits, which you can find pretty much everywhere that there are podcasts, okay and all that good stuff, and he does the Dallas Action quick hits he does with Rob Clark. Rob Clark is, of course the guy from the Loan Gunman podcast, which coincidentally that's a funny thing. I may or may not have somebody who's connected to the Loan Gunman podcast on the

line. Let's see Joe are you there? Hello, how's it going? Man? I identify yourself for the listeners, please. I am Joey Scooter stars Eli, co host of the Gotten In podcast, And uh, I just wanted to follow up on Doug and that it's a great Uh. You know, he makes a joke that a YouTube university, but he he really

knows this, his stuff about this, and uh, it's fascinating. Ah. So so you have so you have gotten the thing I've never really looked into, right, but you've gotten the the Doug Campbell presentation on Vigie and Tupac before. I guess somehow somewhere good messaging all day about it. Yeah, and he sent me documentaries to watch and uh is trying to educate me. So I'm very interested and his is uh, his little calling was I thought amazing. It was great. I think it's much easier to solve something

like this than something that happened sixty years ago. And while he says YouTube university, you know, I think it he is listening to a lot of rappers first hand. Accounts of the situation, so it isn't quite YouTube University. But the point is he knows what he's talking about in regards to this very fascinating what I wanted to make an announcement exclusively tell the effect. And I heard you mentioned that you weren't sure when Lancer or what hotel Lancers is

going to be at next year. Actually have two topics I'm preferring for But I'm going to conquer the scooter in front of the whole smoking section in front of the hotel, and it will be filmed and it could be broadcasted. I give everyone broadcast rights, and I'll be practicing on the bird. I might even do some tricks. Who knows, well, I guess you'll have to show up at Lancer to find out. So you are going to attempt the attempt to alter your nickname just to touch you said Scooter Scars Burrelli,

which is pretty funny. But uh, maybe you'll be a Scooter Star BURRELLI after this one, right, because You're gonna do some tricks and redeem yourself in front of the smoking section wherever that may be at a at the hotel. Okay, gotcha? Well, I mean I mean the smolking section is outside the hotel is a pretty happening spot, as we all know based on

last year. And you know, obviously getting to meet you and B Pete and and and I Doug for the first time as well, and h and Mike Swompson and uh Larry Hancock and uh, you know, it was surreal

the whole sixtieth I had an amazing time. I just want to call and say that, Yeah, I really appreciated and had a good time meeting you and B Pete and looked forward to uh, you know, collabing in the future, and I will definitely be at Lancer this this coming year has some good follow ups on some of our presentations, and I think we got some

good stuff going on. So yeah, me too. Look, I, like I said, I only know the dates so far, you know, and I'm part of the people that are in contact with each other about what's going on, and we're we're working on it and it's gonna it's gonna come. Apparently I'm going to return to do that again. Yes, Uh so you are tremendous MC if I just say so myself. Yeah, I didn't feel too good about the job. I was doing there because I was doing about five other jobs. Well that was happening, and uh, I had

a lot to do, Joe. It was. It was a lot going on actually, so you know. But but we're we're gonna have it planned out a little differently this time, so I think I'll have less to do, so I'll be able to focus more on, you know, presentation for everybody. And it was fun The smoking section was funny because five years wait, six years earlier, when I was there, Uh, when I would

go out to smoke, I was pretty much by myself. Occasionally car Mine would come out just to keep me company because I would go out there by myself and I was the only one out there. But yeah, uh, but the funny thing was, uh, this past year, people that didn't even smoke ended up at the smoking section and it was like it was a strange. It was I felt like, you know, actually I was never

alone at the smoking sect. The only time I was alone in the smoking section is when I did Coast to Coast am and I was up until like, I don't know, four in the morning. So after that I needed to run outside to go have a cigarette. And I go outside and I was like, huh, you know what's weird about this? Nobody else out here? Uh? And that was the only time is at four am.

Well, if that was Friday night, if you would have waited an extra hour, you would have with this meet at five thirty am, go down to the the hotel lobby and asked them to print me out thirty pages of five different documents. Because of the I wanted, you know, the audience to really digest some of the things we had found. And oh yeah, those were your handouts. How did that work? How did that work out for you with the handouts? By the way, how do you feel that

went with you handing out the little packets to everybody? Okay, okay. So it was there on Friday, and I was presenting on Saturday, or it was Virtual's pre recorded and Rob Bark and I and but I noticed, being towards the back center of the room that some of the documents, especially for people that are maybe older and couldn't see, might not be able to

completely digest. So what I did was, at like five thirty or six am, email the front desk with five different very important documents that were crucial to our presentation. And I said, I need thirty copies of each, so one hundred and fifty pages, and they didn't charge me a cent, So shout out to the Lorenzo for that, and they you know, paper

clipped it. And then of course the great Alex Harris. Maybe you helped hand him out as we were going through the different Martins and our presentation because we didn't want people jumping ahead. But yeah, no, it was kind of like like a audible type of thing, you know, like I realized that our our presentation would be more effective. And some of the people had actual print outs in the documents in front of them, and that's why I

put them on at least thirty tables. Right. Well, look, I'm going to bring a pile of press photos with me to answer this year, which I might just offer for sale at my table if people want to buy them off me, because I have a bunch of them that I don't need, uh And one of them you might be interested in that that wire photo of what was it one of the Martins there that I just came across in my in my election. Yeah, yeah, so I'll bring it, but

I'll did you get my reply to that? Yeah? I did, But I'm just letting you know that I'll probably just bring that along and if you remind me around then i'll just I'll just give that one to you if you want. But yeah, they're very low pictures of him. Yeah, we we were months into our Martin journey before we sawn a picture. Well,

you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised some of the strange, sort of tangential figures I have in photographs from the wire, photos from different events ranging from you know, the Garrison trial and the JFK movie all the way to you know, the days immediately after the assassination UPI and Associated Press together. I got a bunch of them. So and I actually have some other ones that were in newspaper archives and stuff like that that you know, had been disseminated

afterwards. And I'm going to bring a pile of that stuff with me to Lancer this year. Anyways, Joe, great to hear from you obviously again. Yeah, and you guys are still doing the Lone Gunman live on YouTube? What every so often? How often is that? So we do it once a week right now? We're doing it on Friday night at our episode actually just dropped at seven pm this evening. It was with an author who had wrote a book about Jack me last year, Jefferson Morley recently is uh

interviewed him and it's a fascinating conversation. I definitely, Uh, I would suggest that everyone check it out. And uh yeah, no, it's you know, like it's one of those things like even if you don't uh agree with the author's particular conclusion, there are there's context to be gained, right, No, definitely, there's there's information. Well, yeah, like Jack

Ruby's early life. I had no idea that Ruby is of a fifth of eight children, you know, his best friend what was a wool frame and sponsor and fame and then uh uh a famous war hero in the Pacific and World War Two and uh, it it's deep, you know, but it's it. It gives you context. Well you know, yeah, please do

and check it out The Loan Gunman on YouTube. And while you're on YouTube, Joe, why don't you go check out I was on Blaze TV this past Friday on uh on what was it the Pat Gray Show on Glenn Beck's TV network, and uh they had me on as the JFK experts. So I I think it's an interesting piece of video because I'm not often on TV, so you might want to take a look at that. Sure, will I'll take I'll take. Yeah, I'll get you a link. I'll email

it to you when I'm done with my show tonight. Anyways, good to hear from now, and I'll tell you something online that you'll get a kickout. Excellent. Joe Burrell, Joe Scooter Brelli, everybody, Uh you know the guy, the guy who uh you know, uh, he fought the scooter and the scooter one Atlanta this past year, but he claims he will redeem himself in twenty four at the Lancer conference. So meanwhile, we got another caller and I want to get to them, and then we'll probably take

another quick break and that'll be the last one. We'll run it out until ten pm when Aaron Franz gets started, and we'll get back around to everybody who remained on the line as well. You're live on the air. What's on your mind? Who are you? Hey, Chuck? This is Danny. Oh, Danny, Yeah, Hey, how you doing? How you doing? Perspective? You were talking, I'm doing great. You were talking about how the distrust of the government with the JFK assassination. That used to

be you're corrected. I know out here in California it was always on the left. I remember being in junior high and high school. Local college newspapers used to always see these advertisements in the back there, like the personal Lands said the CIA killed JFK. And then we had may Brussell you catch her basically on like left Wade college radio stations. But there was a shift starting in the eighties with Twronald Reagan that you know, hig, I'm from the

government, don't trust the government. Then when the movie came out, there was there was a shift where the right started questioning the whole assassination. That's just my observation. Yeah, does that make sense. Yeah, but but to me it's based on not necessarily the left and the right per se, but it's more about whichever, you know, side of the equation was more

into questioning the government. And it seems like to me, the left, the mainstream left anyway, you know, goes to the government as a primary source of trust, so they're not asking the question anymore, you know,

about what did the government have something to do with this? Whereas your right wingers, your more mainstream right wingers for sure, are way distrustful of government agencies and all that stuff, and that you know, swims per dubtails nicely with guess what, you know, the government lied to us about Kennedy's assassination. So it makes sense to me that they're all picking up on it now, you know, if that is their current stance, that's the way it's

going to go. And when I was a kid, it was the left that was questioning the government. It seemed like all the time, you know, are they doing the right things? The ACLU was actually doing its job right, looking out for whoever's civil liberties were being violated, even if they didn't agree with them, which is now currently not part of their charter from what I understand, you know, but that was a different orientation at that

time. It seemed like the adherents to the government, Trust the government, trust the government were the Reagan babies, were the Reagan adults who were all on board with we're so glad the Gippers in the White House. So they didn't want to question the Kennedy assassination because why is the government covering things up?

We don't want to ask that question. Must be the government had it right, trust him Oswald did it, but that shifted and I think you're right, it's right around the JFK movie, because well, Oliver Stone's a left wing nut job. We got to oppose him. I don't know,

that's my best guess, you know. So that's the way I what I witnessed was the because I remember, finally they you know, we just had the anniversary of Martin Luther King being assassinated, correct, and that I remember in that June Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated, and you know, I have memories of that, and at that time, they represented the anti war more left perspective, and like you said, as as time grew, there

was a shift as the conservatives kind of had the attitude that in the conservative small community I grew up in the family was you need to be patriotic and believe in the government. There was not a lot of questioning these institutions, where the left was questioning the institutions because of they were anti war civil rights. I mean, there was just this paradigm of being opposed to each other. And there has been a shift because I remember it was back kind of

like lou George H. Bush and Clinton. It started I call it the black helicopter crowd. They started prevailing those you know in talk radio was being born too, so they started having the voice If that makes sense, No, that makes perfect sense. And you know you're saying the black helicopter crowd. It's funny. That makes me think of a cartoon. And I'm trying to think of what year it was, but there was. It was King

of the Hill. It was a popular cartoon on Fox, and they had a character on there named Dale Gribble and I'm gonna have to find that clip because one of the first shows they ran on there. I remember watching this

on broadcast TV and he was the conspiracy theorist on the show. And as a matter of fact, he has a whole meltdown actually when he starts to think that he questioned the Warren Commission incorrectly, and he's like, wait a minute, it's supposed to be from the south side of the Knole, not the north side of the Knowle. And he starts freaking out for you know, thirty minutes because he had something wrong, and then he goes and becomes

this It's funny because he becomes a full on trust the government patriot after he realizes that he was we had the wrong direction north or south of the knowole somehow, and yah, yeah it was hilarious. But one of the first episodes they ever aired, I'm gonna see if I can find the clip he goes. He goes, well, you know, he says something crazy about, you know, the government's gonna come and get you. They're gonna stick you into CIA black side or whatever. And Hank Hill, who's a true

believer American, goes, where did you get that crazy nonsense? And he goes, I went to ww dot black dot, helicopter dot com. Yeah, you know, and it was longer than that, was like ww dot black dot slash government dot slash helicopter, you know, like this huge long back then you had to know the addresses to find stuff on the Internet. It's just it was hilarious that that's where he got it from. And then the guys that are all standing around that we're going to question him just decide

forget it. He's getting it off the internet. Forget it. And it's just really funny if you put that in context with like today's culture, Uh, that's hilarious. So anyway, get a Dale. I don't remember that episode that I remember one that he was really concerned his father came out. Dale's father came out as gay, but that wasn't the issue he was worried about. He was gone government, well, he had gone. He was

worried about two things. One, at first he thought that he was trying to hook up with his wife and didn't realize that his father was gay, even though it was wholly obvious. And then he finds out. He goes, you're rejecting me because I'm gay, And he goes, no, it's because you believe in the government, and he freaks out. And the whole time it did seem like he is so actively ignoring the fact that his father is gay that it must be that's why he's rejecting him, right, But

no, that's not it. It's because he's willing to I don't know, file his taxes or something something really like small, you know, and he's like, no, but you believe in the government. Uh he freaks out.

Yeah. So anyway, No, that is true. But all this stuff, though, is funny because again, if you look at the comedy side of it and the way that they demonstrated you know how you know, how things shifted over time, right, and you go from the left to the right regarding a question like the Kennedy assassination, and people are starting to notice, why is it that Fox News people, why is it that all these right wing people are are very suddenly taking it very seriously when a couple

of years ago, even they would not have entertained a JFK assassination researcher, They would not have taken it seriously or looked at it or questioned it or anything except they told us that, you know, Trump was gonna dump all the documents. Outside of that, Over the past ten years, these people said nothing, and they're in the business and now they have to do segments on this, they have to address it. You know, it's it's weird. I might have that clip. Hang on a second, I might actually

have that clip here. Let's see if I got it, because let's see, it looks like it's about a one minute clip. Let's see if it is. Hometown knows it sounds like your hoard going off. You really think, so, well, oh yeah, damn it, Hank. You know, I can't have loud sudden noises while I'm meditating. I was a nose hair away from attaining inner fees. Yeah, don't even try to take credit for that. It was not done by me. It was done through me.

What is that shinging noise? One of those stealth helicopters with computerized noise cancelation capability. They're still working the chains out. Wow. Do you know about stealth help coups? Oh dot conspiracy dot black dot helicopters. Yeah, man, I'll tell you what that dang on internet, mane you just going on there and point and click getting in there talking about ww dot W call me you got the naked chicks on there? Man? You go click clicklick,

click, click, click lick. It's real lazy man. There you go. That's the clip I was thinking of. Tell me that's not great now you've brought that memory up. I do remember that. But so that was great and I love it because, you know, boom Hower just responded to me you could naked chicks on there. Man. I was watching that when it ran on the air the first time, and I just fell over laughing watching like I thought that was the most hilariousest thing I'd ever seen on

TV. H hilarious. Yes, it reminds me of a story. I'm going to take a little sideboard at that time. My son, my kids, I got them far more computer savvy than I am. And he's in tech now. But I got a computer, and my wife got really concerned. She goes, you need to go talk to your son. He was kind of pre teen about you know, what he might be looking on the computer on the computer or what he was looking at. So I can front of him. I hey, I asked him, Hey, are you checking

out girls or something or porn? Because I'm not that savvy with it, I go on the computer, and you know, he looked at me. He's rolls, goes, Dad, it's a rip off. And I go, that's an odd answer. I go, why do you say that, goes? I don't have a credit card. Oh yeah, I went and told my wife. I go, I go. I told mom, I go, hey, don't worry about it. He's fine, tell me the trip. He goes, if I had a credit card, yeah, be on there see And there's the funny that tells me what time period it was.

Because nowadays the porno's pretty you know, you can get plenty of porno for free, what I'm told apparently, but back then that was true if you wanted to see a naked woman and take twenty minutes to download a picture of it. Yeah, they they wanted a credit card from you. You know. There there was a south Park episode that that you know, again,

I love cartoons. There was a south Park episode that that totally encapsulated this where the Internet dries up. So everybody tries to migrate toward California to get the internet. And they're they're in like this refugee camp for people and uh, and they go, look, we got a simulator for your online porno. And the guy goes in and they're drawing pictures of stuff that he's saying, and he says the word click and it's a weird scene. And he comes out of the tent and he goes, well, that was just

a terrible ripoff. And they go, well, give me your credit card. We got to charge you fifty bucks. And he goes, well, at least that's like the Internet, because that's what it was. It was like they would charge you fifty bucks on a credit card. So he had access to a porno site at one point and that was the way it went.

But that that business model has changed over the years. And yeah, my son educated me and your son told you that that's the way it was, like, you know what, man, I can go to these websites and they tell I can see hot girls and everything else, but I don't have a credit card, so I can't do nothing about it, which is exactly that's It's not like I didn't try. It's such a positive though, because two reasons why it's a positive, I bet you one that you didn't

think of though. One of them is great because he's honest with you, and you pointed that one out. But here's the other one. He didn't get to the point where he decided to steal your credit card and make that work for him, now, did he. So he had a line there that he drew regarding the porno, and he didn't deal your credit card. So there you go. There you go. So he was honest and not a thief. So you have two positives there, Danny. Yeah, thank

you anyway, You're welcome. And by the way, thank you because you I'm not going to say what or anything else, but you made a contribution this week and I really appreciate it. Oh, you're welcome, you know, and and that is always helpful keeps us going here, helps me pay the bills for the phones and everything else, which, by the way, I got the big Internet bill coming up this month and about about a week, I guess, uh no, ten days, ten days, I got

to pay the big bill. So you know, contributions right now are helpful and gathering them up to take care of it, to make sure that we keep getting the podcasts out and everything else. So I appreciate it, well, I appreciate the what you do. Thank you, Thank you, Danny.

Anyways, Danny, I'm sure I would love to hear from you on another Friday night, but believe it or not, we're down to, like say, the last eleven twelve minutes, and I know I got Jimmy James I've been meaning to get back to and he's been on hold this whole time.

So I'm not gonna take another commercial break. I'm gonna go to Jimmy and maybe he'll help me close out the show here because I don't see any of you other guys calling in three pine nine, five, two seven, five zero one six if you want to join, but otherwise, this show is over at ten pm Eastern, which is now about eleven minutes away, and Aaron Franz begins with the Age of Transitions, So that's gonna be that

for the week. And uh, I guess that means I got to turn to Jimmy James come back around to him because he's the only one that hung out. So Jimmy, there you are. We got the honest and dishonest answer about internet porno from Danny's kid from years ago. We got a clip of King of the Hill, which I thought was hilarious, especially at the time it ran on TV. I thought it was one of the funniest things

I ever heard. Any thoughts you want to throw in here? In the last ten minutes of the show, Jimmy, that link I posted was from MPR and it is Gerald Posner. I'd listened to the podcast version, but apparently he's even got a book about it called God's Bankers, Really, and it's actually very good about the Vatican scandal. And Danny, he sounds like he was a Brussels sprout, and as you know, I was too, and I love May But you got to move on beyond the research from the

seventies. Correct. Oh, absolutely, Look, I got those cassettes when I was a kid, and I wasn't on the mail somebody else was on the mailing list. I didn't sign up for May's mailing list, but I got those cassettes and these little letters that she used to send in with them, which apparently she was packaging by hand after she did her radio show in Carmel, and she would send them out. And then for a while she wasn't on the radio. She was just doing him at home, and she

had all sorts of difficulties taping and everything else. And I was called, uh, what was it? World watchers, right? And she was kind of first podcaster. Yeah, literally physically sending out her podcast, so to speak. And we'll call on them. Matt Rascal, I can't believe he

what a what a character? Doesn't he realize that under my spreaker game guys of Citizen X, that I, uh kept pushing him patiently toward him and Doug starting the second show there that they do together the quick hits, and I and I that's right, And I was the guy that kept pushing h I keep wanting to say, Bob Clark, Rob Clark, Rob Clark, big bad Bob Park there. I'm the one that kept pushing them to go check out the Harold Wiseber files really so I've been a long time and both

of those characters, but what have I got you? Well, look, I believe in giving credit where credits do Jimmy, So just like I recognized Danny for making a contribution this week, I want to recognize you for doing that as well, because you guys are kicking in on what's going to be the big bad bill coming up in about ten days, and that is most

important. And by the way, if you're a listener outside of being Jimmy or Danny, okay, you can kick in just by using the donation button atochelli dot com, or you can make a tip on my link tree or whatever. Get in touch with me if you want to do it another way, send me an email. Blind JFK Researcher at gmail dot com. Be more than happy to figure out a way to make your contribution work if you want to kick into keeping this going as is, the network only has myself,

Aaron and Uncle on it at the moment. That could change, although I don't see it changing in the very near future. A couple of people presented ideas about adding shows, and I am adding a couple of replays to the twenty four to seven radio network that are new, but I have not added any brand new live hosts. I'm being very selective about that right now, so I don't have anybody potentially that really is up for it. It seems like or that doesn't have a grudge against me or something. So it

is what it is, and we're going to continue doing this. But even if I was here all by myself, these costs would be about the same anyway, So I appreciate you guys who do kick in have kicked in. And by the way, if you sign up as a regular supporter, you can get on the list and get the zips once a month, which I'm about ready to send out the April zip files which will be coming this week, and you're gonna get ten years worth archive. Yeah, go ahead.

Hey, do you do me a favor and mail me last months once again? Because I couldn't download him last month because the internet was all wacky. Ah, so I still got downloaded last month. Well send me. I have a couple of emails for you, so send me the email, like, send me an email from the address that you want him send to and I'll get that done this weekend. I promise you all right, and I want to make my grand JFK conclusion, which really ticks me off because it

was my exact same conclusion Plint with a little kid. I've come full circle. Oh how I aggrevating. I remember watching in school I'll Film Around, you know, back in the day, and it had Harold Wiseberg and is actually a really good film for a school film. And I remember after watching it thinking, well, the Cubans did it, and I wasn't politically sophisticated enough done. I couldn't understand why there was Cubans there and Cubans in the

US, and I wasn't clear on which side they're on. I'm like, well, I don't know if there's our Cubans or their Cubans, but is the Cubans. And now I find myself pretty much in the same position. I mean, yeah, there were some CIA officers apparently, but I'm at the same position now because of Major Newman's findings, I'm like, well, it's Cubans, and now I'm not so sure that it is right wing Cubans, even though That's what I've been thinking for at least the last decade.

But anyways, thanks piece everyone, Thank you, Jimmy James appreciate you, And I'll tell you it's funny because I feel like I've kind of come full circle as well. When I started to study the details of the hit in Dealey Plaza, to be honest with you, I felt like it must be a military operation. And then when I started studying it, I couldn't figure out how, why, whatever, And I'm not saying whose military it is, but it seemed like I got dispossessed of that pretty quick and got on

the CIA must have had something to do with it bandwagon. Well I'm still on that bandwagon where the CIA had something to do with it and certainly actively,

happily, readily, enthusiastically participated in the cover up. But I got to tell you that once again, when I take a look at some of the interesting facts that have emerged, some of the things that have taken decades to get at because the studies were not there and nobody applied different sciences, it seems like I'm coming back around to a military style operation that maybe did not go according to plan. And can I lay it out with some names on it? Actually I can? Am I going to do it here on

my podcast with two minutes left on the live call in show. No, am I going to do it sometime? Yes? But when and where? And exactly how much evidence I'm going to have to back up the conclusions I

have on this That may vary. And I am testing and retesting many a thing and looking at the backgrounds of some things photographs included, looking at the times and places where people should be and should not be, and finding out certain things about that, including the fact that one of the suspects I have in mind seems to probably have a gun only you know, an hour or two before that odd meeting on the way to the luncheon that should have taken

place at the trademark right, that ended up in a rush to the hospital. But are there more things to discuss? Absolutely? Is there lots of politics to get to always? Are there murders and mayhems and everything else? And oh, by the way, are you afraid of the eclipse? Are you afraid of the Iranians? Are you ready to duck and cover because the terrorists are coming? Is China gonna wipe us all out? Anyway? With another bug? You know, aside from the Covidian thing that happened and whatnot?

You know, et cetera, et cetera. I'm not allowed to say that very loud anywhere apparently, And am I a conspiracy theorist? Not really, because a lot of my theories now have way too much evidence to merely be a theory. But your experiences could absolutely vary. So no matter who you are, where you are, or when you are, I want you to remember that I am merely o'celly. All of you are indeed the effect, and you can be even more of the effect if you make a contribution

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