The Ochelli Effect 4-19-2024 Open Mic

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anything that's on your mind openly. That's fine. And by we who do I mean, well, I've got my co hosts, be Pete with me. He's at work again, but doing it live via remote from an unknown, undisclosed location. They used to say, right, I hear some crunchy noises or something on somebody's phone. I tried to add in captain trips. It's b Pete. I tried to add in captain trips. Maybe I'll do that. But anyway, be Pete. What's on your mind this week? Sir? Oh, no, a lot. We are here in an undisclosed

location along the ninety five quarter or somewhere along the East coast. Ah, that's a lot, a lot of possible territory to cover their I ninety five runs all the way up and down. I used to love taking that from Jersey to Florida when we had to do a quick trip. But anyway, I ninety five runs all up and down the East coast. I think all the way to New Hampshire, doesn't it. Yes, yeah, I think it does well. I'm worried about it's this little twenty foot section in here.

We got some operations going on at night, and I had to be here, so we're gonna fit both of them in at the same time. But other than that, I mean, we're looking at great weather. It's also shad Festival weekend in the big metropolis of Grifton. We got the Tams playing tomorrow night. Old beach music group that is still hanging on. I can't but I think there's one original member still alive. Who the hell is that? But what are they? Like? One hit? Wonder a song?

I don't remember, or am I Shadley We Tams? I think there was the Tams, the Embers. You know, they did songs like up on the Roof. They did songs like under the Boardwalk. I can't remember what the TAM's biggest hit was. I mean, I was never really a

big, huge beach music fan, but they did it. They did a version of under the Broadwalk Coast under the Boardwalk, I remember the coast beach music is big time, but yeah, under the Boardwalk, I mean, you know, it's those kind of groups from back in the late sixties early seventies that toured up and down the Carolina coast. I think these guys used to go from my Maryland down to Georgia those areas, and they are it's a lot of the beach. North Carolina, South Carolina were real big for

beach music right well, and here's still hanging on there. But you know those bands have have gone away because everybody has died. Well, that happens after a while when you've been around for sixty seventy years, and you know it's just going to happen. And indeed, you know, from the sixties. Now, you could easily be a group if you started in the sixties. You know. I think about it all the time because my favorite band of all time is Black Sabbath, and they started in the late sixties.

And now you've got to remember, now that's sixty years ago, you know, Yeah, I mean nineteen sixties. Most of those guys were, you know, twenty years old when they started. So how old is Ozzie now? Yeah, I mean he's got to be what eighty something? His birthday was in December? I forget now I think he's eighty two. Is he eighty two? I don't know. Maybe somebody will look it up, but I mean an old guy, you know, but you don't think of him

that way. You still think of him as when when you were a kid, you know, and Ozzie was like in his thirties and all washed up already, right, he was already like in his mid thirties, and they were saying his career was over when Sabbath, you know, when it really hits you. He's seventy five. He's only seventy five. Seventy five, Yeah, just just looks it up. Born December third, nineteen forty eight. Wow, okay, two years older than my dad would have been nice.

Okay, I was I was gonna get I was gonna guess mid seventies. I didn't think he was. I didn't he was his I didn't think he was in his eighties yet. Well, somebody in that band is in the eighties. Yeah, I'm thinking somebody in that band is in the eighties. Maybe Tony Iomi is. And that's the voice of Captain Trips, by the way, just to get and order Trips. I got callers that were on the phone like immediately when eight o'clock came around, so I want to

get to them quick. But V Pete was telling us about what's going on in North Carolina, and if we have time later maybe V Pete, I want to cover something that I don't remember us covering on the show that was local to you. There was a couple apparently in North Carolina who were running around doing the jet set lifestyle, and apparently some one of these late night

talk shows focused on them this week. But from twenty twenty one, they were apparently doing really well, building a whole bunch of dead people through Medicare and really running a whole health services thing. There lots of billing, their whole jet set lifestyle paid for by names of the dead off of the Medicare list, and it was right there in North Carolina. And I didn't know anything about him until this week, and I'm thinking to myself, that's something

we should have covered on the show. You know, Well, I've not heard anything about that. I mean, usually we have the odd connection, like you know, the guy that goes crazy, it starts to shoot up a store or something like that. Usually you can trace that stuff back to a North Carolina connection. But I've not heard this one about the Medicare billing. Now that's a new one on me. Yeah, I mean it's pretty

extensive. I mean, they were the type of people on you know, social media, going look at us in our private jet, drinking our champagne because we're so successful. And it turns out that their success came from Yeah, like I said, mainly hundreds of millions of dollars. It seems like they might have gotten even over the course of time, billing dead people for you know, medical procedures and stuff and so you know, doctor's visits for

the dead very profitable apparently in twenty twenty one. So yeah, well maybe you think about it though. As screwed up as medicare is, and how long it takes them to catch somebody doing something like that, I'm surprised. I'll have to look that one up when I get home and get into the bottom of it. But usually if there's a big story out there, we can usually find a North Carolina connection to the to the crazy US and the evil I mean, even go back to you know JFK. We had the

mysterious phone call from from Oswald to a guy outside of Rolliby. So right, well, there's always an NC connection in there somewhere. I find NC and NJ make interesting connections, even a New Jersey connection to the JFK assassination. If you take a look at one of the criminals that was arrested in the immediate aftermath, the guy has a whole thing in Jersey going on,

you know, the organized criminal element and interesting guy, right. I forget which one it was, but it was one of the guys they nabbed coming out of the school book depository. Was a was add some gangster connections in Jersey anyway, There's always something like that happening, but and I always keep track of it. But I was surprised that we didn't cover that story when

it broke in twenty twenty one. What's always amazing to me is that when people think of medicare fraud or you know, welfare fraud, health insurance fraud, all that, they almost always still go back to the idea of the welfare queen, you know, the single person who's got you know, a great living being made off of the system. But the truth is it's these predatory companies that make massive you know, billing things, or they're turning around

and collecting food stamps where they shouldn't or something. The massive points of collection are usually done by some corporate entity you know, that has a handful of people behind it, and that's where the really big money goes, you know,

I mean even if one person is living well off the system. Yeah, well that's something we see a lot of here because we have there's there is a lot of health industry in North Carolina from you know, the major hospitals, and they're fighting to buy up the small ones and then shut them down and force people to different hospitals, making people having to drive an hour hour and a half, you know, close down the little local clinic,

make them drive into greenvill or make them drive into Raleigh. Right, It's been a constant thing here. But we have a lot of a lot of these practitioners that are on the fringe, like medical supply places. You know, they're the ones that advertise, oh, if you're getting Medicare Part B, then you qualify for this knee brace or this special chair or this apparatus to help you do something. And we have a lot of that going on

in this state. These medical product companies, these little private firms, they find a way to build Medicare or Medicaid and they know that the you know, the fraud rate is very high, so they play the odds, They roll the dice and figure, okay, we're going to do this billing and we're going to get as much as we can afford to catch us and hopefully when we get win that they're on us, we can get out of town and go do something else, and we might go up to Virginia or down

to South Carolina and start up business. Again. We see that happen a lot, indeed, so, but then again, we've had hospitals to get called on the you know, major hospitals getting nailed for medicare fraud where they're over billing for patient services and things like that. So it's a big business here in North Carolina. Absolutely look in interest to keeping the show rolling.

Our callers have apparently hung up. I guess I took too long to get to them on the phone, but I do have Captain Trips on Skype, so I'm gonna let get to him next callers rejoin us, because I was about to go to you and you disappeared. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six. Sorry about that. I guess I took a few minutes. I mean we've only been on air about ten minutes. Sorry about that, But anyway, three one nine five two seven five zero one six.

That's the number to call in and join us with anything that's on your mind. We're going to go to after ten o'clock tonight, although I might lose be Pete somewhere in between there anyway, So Captain Trips, what is on your mind this week? Open table, open forum? Nobody else has spoken outside of me and Bpete. Uh so, wide open field for you. Well, I'll start off with the one of the one of the big

stories today actually has a Florida connection. It's my neighborhood. The goofball that let himself on fire right outside of the courthouse where Trump is on trial is from Saint Augustine, Florida, which happens to be where I am sitting right now. Are you subscribed to his Wait a minute, are you subscribed to his sub stack? I you know what I saw the manifesto. I did

get it. I don't think they pulled it down yet. And the interesting thing about it, and now, the guy isn't he think he styled himself as an ancom But he wasn't. He was. He was calling out both Trump and Biden. I'm not saying the guy was sane. I'm just saying that it didn't sound like like a Trump arrangement syndrome or a a Biden, you know, an ardent anti Biden person. It sounds like he was calling

out the whole damn thing. So well, I'm gonna put yeah in the live chat at ochelly dot com just for the record, since you bring it up. It just so happens that jay A Still and I were trading emails and this is one of the things that came up. Is this guy who literally he's got something called the Ponzi Papers on substack. He's done a lot of interesting conspiracy research actually, and yeah, yeah, and and here we

go. Well, no, I was just gonna say it's it's pretty wild because his latest entry is literally, guess what it says, I have set myself on fire outside the Trump trial. So he did a substack post I'm assuming before he did light himself up. I didn't see the Yes, yeah, I didn't see the video or anything. But are we talking like literally like the monk from the Vietnam War era lighting himself up or what supposedly? Now? I wouldn't. I can't. I'm not into the the to the

Gore porn. So I didn't watch any of the live shots. I saw a few of the stills where you could see him sitting there and you can clearly make out a you know, a figure that was on fire apparently mean because he was right on the street in New York City. He wasn't on fire very long. It sounds like they someone got put out within thirty I think it was like thirty to sixty seconds, is what I heard. So I don't know if that part of it was planned. I didn't get that

far into the story. And as supposedly, at least the last thing I heard late to Saton that the guy was still alive. God too. But interesting. Interesting is day we still have fireworks going off all across the Middle East. Yeah, even when they're not human fireworks. Yes, right outside of the human fireworks, other fireworks happening right right, right right, And you know, it seems like the the you know, I don't even know

what the hell of callities anymore. The attack from Israel on Iran today seemed to be quite similar to Iran's attack on Israel four days ago. Apparently it targeted this area where Iran is suspected of having nuclear facilities, but it didn't target the facilities themselves. And we destroyed some old old military equipment as if to say, hah, we know where you have this stuff. So you know, if this is just a tit for tat thing, it's just it's

it's it's still it's it's still too frightening, it's still too dangerous. The margin of error is far too small and right just for the record, by the way, for listeners, I know most of you listen on cell phones right now, but we do have a live chat at ocelly dot com where we are posting links to things and sometimes people post photographs or you know, comments during the show. You can always roll it back. So if you

go to the Listenlive page at Ocelli dot com you can do that. Now, your your interaction with it, based on the fact that you're on a phone, might vary. Some people can pop up the chat and listen, some people cannot. If you do pop up the listen live page at Ocelli dot com though, there's like three or four players on the page and you can listen and chat at the same time, and you don't have to say anything, but you might be able to follow along with what other people are

saying. And here the stuff that I'm posting, including this guy's manifesto, his sub stack, you know, the guy who let himself on fire, which I'm almost surprised to him taking it down. I'm sure it's got a high traffic right now. He's a person of interest lighting himself on fire outside of the Trump trial. Here's the funny part. I skimmed through his post about this, and I still have a problem figuring out really why he did it, Like we know why the Monk, you know, the famous Monk,

did it to protest the Vietnam War. But I'm not sure what he was protesting here except the system in general. And in that case, I don't understand the selection of I have to draw attention to the Trump trial. I mean, he doesn't seem to be on the side of it. Yeah, I mean, I was wondering if I just missed it, you know, maybe I missed it anyway, what what I what I took out of

it was exactly what you said he was. He was calling out the whole system, you know, stating that we were in the midst of a basically of a fascist takeover, not from Trump or not from Biden, from the

system itself. That was the take that I got from it. Why he picked that, I don't I don't know that he stated, but I would just guess it's because of the publicity, because you know, obviously the news media was focused on that particular location just because of what was going on there today, Right, that would be I would yet, I would guess that was what the choice of location was. Yeah, but here's a guy.

Yeah but here here's a guy, quite honestly, who is almost sounds like things I would say, and things you might even say, or various listeners who have stuck with me for more than a week might say regarding the idea of a kleptocracy, the fact that there is a constant Ponzi scheme going on multiple levels and layers coming from all parts of the system, and my Freudian

slip there was. My next part is that he references everything from Bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush to the Simpsons in his rant about how things have gone, how the institutions have failed. He references back to different crypto problems. He states that the government took his laptop at some point, not sure why. He doesn't explain it. All kinds of things going on

here in his declaration about setting himself on fire. Okay, and still I don't understand why the selection of the Trump trial was the best place for him to do it. I mean, one would almost think that his best spot would be in Washington, d C. But like you said, he's from Florida somehow, and he goes to New York to do this. I mean, DC's on the way. Save gas, more gas for you to let yourself up with. I mean, you know, the only thing I wonder

with that is was it just he? And again I'm speculating. I would never self emilate, So I don't know, but you don't. But you don't have Okay, you and I could speculate all day long. Wait, wait, you and I could speculate all day long. Maybe his favorite, you know, Craigslist hooker is out of Manhattan and he wanted to go to her this time. We don't know, is my point. We have no clue, Like, there is no indicator here. I mean, at one point he says, AI is killing us, is gonna kill us all?

Or is killing us all? The kleptocracy is the biggest problem. I mean, I'm just flipping through this fraudulent democracy. I mean, what about the tax man? How about that we're on our way to World War three? And oh, by the way, the banks are failing because and crypto is

a big game. I mean, there's all sorts of stuff happening in this manifesto for a guy who lights himself on fire in front of the Trump trial, And you're saying to yourself, well, is he protesting on behalf of Trump saying that this is part of the criminality that the system has turned to

to persecute Trump? Or is he out there saying because at one point it almost seems like he's going to go with my concept of this is all for show and what's you know that there's no real consequence attached to this, that this is, you know, nothing more than a theater event for people to follow. And he and he begins obviously with his discussion about Peter Thiel and the financials, and I mean, there's a lot going on here. So meanwhile, we do have some callers who have rejoined. But b Pete,

anything you want to say before we go to the callers on this? And did you even know about the guy lightening himself on fire? Yeah, I've heard about that today. My only question is why would somebody, I mean, if you want to go out of this world, why would you take one of the most painful ways to do it? That's the part I don't understand. He could have stuck his head in the oven. He could have put a gun to his head, he could have run a hose from the

exhaust of his car. But to light yourself up knowing full well that it may not kill you being a burn patient. He's in critical condition right now the last news break that I heard. You know, burn patients go through a lot, and it's one of the most painful ways to die. I just that's the part that I can't understand. If you want to take yourself out, you know, and there's a chance that you're not going to be

successful. This guy's got a long road a hoe. I worked in a burn unit down in San Antonio when I was in the army, right and let me tell you now, those people they go through hell when you're treating somebody for third degree birds. Yeah, that's the part I don't get. You want to go, Why pick the most painful way in the world to do it? Well, my curiosity is this because I've known people who have

survived. And by the way, this is one of the few near death attempt on someone's life that has never been you know, I've never been set on fire to be killed. I've been set on fire accidentally but never, you know, suffered severe burns. I had a stepfather who had something like eighty percent of his body covered in you know, ridiculous third degree burns, to the point where his skin was dripping off him. And I know what

he went through when a motorcycle. He was on one of those Kawasaki bikes where the gas tank slipped and exploded during a collision, and he was burnt pretty severely. But you know, so I understand what you're saying, he went through the skin grafting all that. But to me, I don't know. What I've always read about it is that if you are successful and you truly immolate yourself, well, the fact is that your nerves shut off pretty

early. It's definitely, you know, it's a horrible thing to survive, but if your goal is death, perhaps it is less painful than a lot of other methodologies if you are fully successful with your methodology. Anyway, I want to get to the first caller on the line, see what they have to say. Maybe they want to talk about people setting themselves on fire, maybe something else. And we've got two on the line, so let's get to Let's see what is the area code here? Unidentified caller. No name

comes up on the Sometimes names come up on my call list. This is a three to five to two area code. No name. So who are you and what do you want to throw on the roundtable tonight? Hi? Juck Chris here? How you doing, sir? Hey Chris? How are you doing? Chris from Florida? Are you anywhere near this guy's neighborhood in Florida that set himself on fire? By chance? I recall reading about it.

Where exactly did it take place? Again? Well, it took place in New York, but I believe the guy is from Saint Augustine in Florida. Augustine, Well that's about an hour away from where I live. Uh okay, well not not your neighborhood then, but uh anyway, did you read anything about it or do you know anything about it? Max? Uh Azarella? Azarella? I'm sorry. I was just given the name Max as a rell O as e Z A R E L l O. You know a guy who does a mass shooting. I'm not going to read his name

out, but a guy who set him self on fire? I don't know. I think you'reon I mentioned Max Azarello as e Z A R E L L O. Anyway, he claims to be an investigative researcher. Uh, and you know he did. He put it to this thing on his the Ponzi papers on substack, which I provided a link in the Ocelli chat if you want to go look at it or subscribe, still open the subscribers, and I guarantee he's gonna need some money for the burn unit costs. Anyways, Uh, yeah, but this guy put out a you know, a

substack. I am the guy who lit myself on fire, and I'm sure it's got a lot of traffic today. Anyway, your general thoughts on well, let's let's let's let Chris get his thoughts out and then we'll get to questions. Chris, your thoughts in general uninterrupted. You know, I'd briefly read, you know, the article on this individual. You know, he was obviously protesting Biden and Trump conveniently, you know, you know, to me, it's just just kind of this range of one of these individuals that's

just seeking there in some morbid type of way. Their five seconds are same, you know what I mean, Like he clearly didn't do it, do enough to get the job done. You know, he's still living to tell the tale, you know. So he's getting all he's getting his five seconds. And there are some people that get that that level of gratification that sol you know that you don't you know what I'm saying, no self gratification from

you know, just making the headlines. It's not efferent than some of these, you know, the suck up mass shooters that we've had in the past, you know where they go off on the killing spray and they're only doing it for notoriety. Yeah, but you know, you got to say this, and to me, that's what I kind of that, at least to me, that's what that's what this rates up in my in my personal opinion.

I could be wrong. Yeah, but usually there's well just real quick, Chris, the question for you real fast, and then I guess Captain Tripp says a question. You know, to me, usually if a guy does something like this and at least it's his skin in the game literally, uh, you know, he's not hurting other people directly. Uh. He even says something here on you know a look, I apologize to the first

responders and others who could possibly be affected by this. I don't intend to affect you, but probably will and hopefully you won't see too horrible a thing when I light myself up. Kind of interesting he makes that statement in a sub stack but anyway, which is under m Crosby. By the way, I don't know what that means. Uh anyhow, it's uh, it's weird. Yeah, you get attention, okay, but for what is it? Just like he wants to be the most famous substack guy? Does he want

to be a podcast guest? Like, Hey, I want to get on whatever podcast. I mean, I'm gonna invite him as a guest if I can. Why did you light yourself on fire? You know? If I can, I don't know, maybe other people will beat me to the punch or others will walk away from it because they don't want to encourage this. But uh, I'm going to have this guy. Yeah, go ahead. Well I was going to say, that's the question I had. How to

setting yourself on fire? Connect to this? I mean, is it a was he not getting the people to his substack to read and he felt like this was the only way that he can draw attention to the information that he's put together. My question was to everybody else that's you know, you guys are more up on this than me. I just heard the news break today, but they did he give a reason why he chose to set himself on fire? Is that? Is that the quickest way that he could have gotten

attention to this? Or what? Because you're right if I had him on that first question asked why did you like your self up? Well, look, look can I pouse a question real quick? Yeah? Content, let me just answer that. Let me just answer that, and then yeah, go ahead. Context is real simple, though, on this VPTE substack has become oversaturated. It was a very popular, rarefied thing for a minute, and then everybody and their mother got a substack. It's pretty much like podcasts.

You know, a couple of years ago, when there was only a couple of hundred podcasts, it was easier to get bigger headline guests because they didn't have thousands upon thousands of people asking them for interviews. I mean, if you've farted on cameras somewhere, you probably got one hundred requests to be a podcast guest. But nowadays it's hard. So it's hard to get attention on substack. But I mean you got to think there's other ways to attract

readers, although it is extremely competit. So Chris, you had something go ahead. Yeah, I'm going a little bit deeper into the point that I was trying to make. I mean, if I pour a couple of inces of lighter fluid on myself and let myself on fire, do I expect to burn to No? No? But if I pour a gallon of gasoline on myself, do I and light myself on fire? Do I expect to burn that? Most likely? Yes? You know I expected at least race in you know. I mean, you know, some people are none of us

know. I don't think do any of us know the actual details? And you know how much of the night or field to appoint himself. Look, was it an actual attempt to really kill himself? Or was he just an attention seeking horror? Ye know? And you know just couldn't Unfortunately, what attractive enough to start it on? Only hands to germinate whatever funds that he needs? No, no problem, but I get it. But here's the thing about that is that you know, and and Captain Tripps could speak to

this. I want to turn it over to him next. Idiots do things like this sometimes too, and they might be you know, fairly intelligent otherwise, but when it comes to self destruction, they're not, you know, well informed. I used to see teenagers because of various things I was involved in. Uh, teenagers and young adults that somehow thought swallowing a bottle of you know, something like Thailand all would kill them. Not instantly, you

know. I mean, if you want to destroy your liver slowly, you can use that, but to have an instantaneous, you know, overdose. I used to see teenagers and like I said again, young adults who would swallow like oh, they swallowed fifty tailanolls. I was like, well, outside of vomiting up the crab persons, I've actually tried to commit you know, when I was younger. I unfortunately it is one of these individuals that

you know, I was going through it. I have REP spurred in my life, and I you know, I can go into further details if you'd like, but you know, no, no need, you don't. You know. Eighty years old, i'd swallowed, you know, I figured I

would get the job done. You know, I can't even tell you the name of the medication, but I was put on an anti depressant, right, I'd taken the whole, the whole caseload, helping to you know, in my existence at that point in time, right, you know what I mean, Right, But i'd luckily, i'd you know, I came to my senses and said, you know, screw this, it's it's not worth it after especially to start, after the hallucination started taking place, you know,

right, Well, but a twelve year old who doesn't have a lot of experience with medication, I'm assuming you didn't have a ton of experience with different medications at that point. A twelve year old who is not really chemically familiar. Yeah, maybe you thought that would work, and realistically that's not the way to go. And that's the other thing. But this is a

full grown person. So I'm saying idiot because a twelve year old might not take the time to go, well, let me figure effective method here, But a grown person, if you want to do serious damage or not, you're going to want to know your methodology. Look, I made I made an attempt like this at one point. I'm not going to say when, but you know, I thought fourteen thousand milligrams of an opiate would be enough to put me out. It was not, But fourteen thousand milligrams. I

don't know why. I think that was the most I could bunch up, and I thought it would be sufficient and it wasn't. But that's not the same thing as like I said, i'ven't seen kids swallow tail and all and end up in the emergency room. Now. Yeah, just a note over in Europe when I was over there, overdosing on paracetamol, which is there,

which is the name that Todland Hall has. Over in Europe, it's still quite common people adults will still take a whole bottle and eventually, you know, it destroys your deliver and it shuts down your kidneys and that's how they go out. And I didn't know that until I got over there. I was talking with my girlfriend and there was an article in one of the papers I was reading about somebody who had done this. She said, yeah, that she said, the two main ways of suicide over here is an

overdose of paracetamol or step in front of a train. Well, step in front of a train seems like a higher level of commitment. Captain trips real fast before we go to the next caller, though, your commentary about this idea, please, and what I'm saying, good, Okay, So first thing, I'll make a comment on the last thing. If I was forced to pick one of those two, I would throw myself in front of the train, because liver failure is not something I would want to die. Ask.

But I'm looking through this manifesto again, and I mean, basically, he said, this is an extreme active protest to draw attention to an urgent, important discovery. We are victims of a totalitarian con and our own government, along with many of their allies, is about to hit us with apocalyptic fascist world coup. I mean, I don't think the guy was trying to

kill himself. I don't don't take him for being sane, But I mean, if you can take what he wrote as what he really believes, he claims that he was truly trying to draw attention to it, you know, and just you know, scrolling through some of the stuff that he has written

here, I don't know that I necessarily disagree with him. Yeah, you know, when you when you tie that, especially when you tie some of that into and I don't know if we've talked about this on the show or not, that the great taking by that guy David Rogers Web who is kind of saying some similar things, more on the financial side. So I mean, like again, I'm not claiming the guy sane. I'm just saying that,

you know, he he he seems to he. You know, this is what he believes, and he says because these words are true, this is an act. I'm gonna I'm gonna read through this again. I okay quickly, Yeah, no, I get it, go go through it again. But yeah, the point does seem to be to get attention, not to die, because if he was serious about death, he would have done it another way. Okay, fair enough, But you know, when you go lighten yourself on fire, you are risking death. I mean, you

know, That's what I don't get. That's the part I don't get. I mean, You've got people like Carol Roff and others who have been riding about this now for the past couple of years. I'm based on the World Economic form and stuff coming out of there, and and things that have been said by government leaders about how yeah, you're gonna owe nothing and be happy, you know, But to set yourself on fire. It seems to me, if you want to draw attention to something, you want to be there

afterwards to be able to answer questions that people are gonna have. But when you do something like that, you know, you just increase the chances and you're not gonna be around. Well fair enough, but I mean, yeah, yeah, and unless unless he's that committed to what he's saying that he was willing to risk it. You know, I'm looking at this and I

this, I definitely can't take an issue with this. I'm really quickly funneling trillions of dollars and stolen cast through stock market, created the lots of start market anomally in history. Stock stock chart signature of Ponzi scheme is a massive increase blah blah blah. And this is what. In order to explain this massive anomenaly, our criminal government unleashed COVID on the world and told us that

these were stay at home stocks. Right, No, yeah, not every yeah you're saying, yeah, so hang on, not Everything he's saying is insane, is what the point is, right, Right, So there you go. I'm gonna go now to I'm sure somebody's gonna have something to say about this here that I bring on the line next. And by the way, if you get on the line and I put you on hold. You can hang on. I'll come back around to you as time allows. And we got plenty of time right now. So three one nine, five,

two seven five zero one six you can be part of this conversation. Didn't expect to go here, but uh, definitely was on my mind, the guy who set himself on fire. So at least nothing happened in the news this week. It wasn't a nothing nothing news week. We had trial selection connected to this. We had, you know, a jury selection excuse me for the trial, and a few other things have gone down, you know, in the courts and elsewhere in the year of the lawsuit. So you

know, the theme is continuing. And I guess this is a sidebar issue, if you will, although it might be a hot take. So let's get our next hot take from Jimmy James JJ. Can you hear me? Yes? Coming on up, You're coming in just fine. So do you have anything you want to say about the guy who set himself on fire outside of the Trump trial or do you want to change the topic. It's up to you. Uh, I don't know anything about the situation. Doesn't surprise

me. So you hadn't heard you hadn't heard about this guy setting himself on fire in Manhattan. No, I heard the guy saw himself on fire a couple of months ago. Yeah, that was another incident, but this was like today, So okay. Uh. He wrote his piece on the nineteenth, so I'm thinking he wrote his piece and then went to go do this, you know, like like Trip said, he's from Florida. So anyway, go ahead. It's open open for you to comment on whatever you want.

J Jay, whoa what what do you sick to that photo? That's sick. It's a little weird at New York City photo. Yeah, I was trying to figure out the whole point of that. Go go ahead and explain it because you put a photo in the chat recently that may or may not have some interesting people in it. It's a go ahead and explain it. Well. It was in an article that I found on the Fox News

website. It was discussing diner Wingo and they were diners, which were popular in the nineteen thirties through seventies, had a unusual weird way of speaking. That's the whole thing is about the article. And then I noticed that they

had a picture It said diner New York City nineteen fifties. I thought, well, you never know who you might see in a diner in New York City in the nineteen fifties, right, and the fellar at the end I'm looking at, Well, I don't know it's either Lee already house Walter or one of the stop Begators. Well, what year are we talking about in

that article? As far as because let's put it in context. Is it like late fifties, as in fifty nine, like around the time that he should have been going to Russia. I'm thinking that it has to be it would have If it's fifty nine, it would have to be. I mean in the fifties, as the thing says, New York City dying in nineteen fifties. If it was Oswald, it would have to be fifty nine. And I know it's the pictures mark four twenty four, so I would assume

for twenty four fifty nine. Well, I would you think that like him or not? Tell me that's not a doppelgager. Well, it's an interesting photo. I'm taking a look at it as we speak, and you know what, I'll repost it in the chat room. But Oswald, I don't ever see Oswald as looking all that unique, So it wouldn't be a crazy thing for him to show up, I think, you know, or a guy who looks like him to show up, I should say, in any

photograph generally. I mean, he wasn't all that remarkable looking in my mind. I mean, he becomes a remarkable looking character because of his actions and all that. But again, you'd be talking about a guy who is now if it's fifty nine, Let's say you're talking about a guyho's twenty years old, and again he should either be in the Marines or in Russia or correctly

Belarus, Belarius, whatever, he should be there. He should be in Minsk or in the Marines, or if not that, then it's his time just previous to that, where you know, he's still like now, we're talking about him in high school age, you know, yeah, just seeing him and I'm not weird. Another weird things to all the way to the left, there's a guy that looks just like a guy from the Garrison Rope.

Yeah, which one though, the guy standing up looking at the camera, he looks just like the guy that sits down in the clay Shaw picture. Okay, are you talking about the lawyer that sits next to Shaw on one of the famous photos. That guy, No, there's no lawyer. That's they're all drinking and getting ready to molestic kid. It looks like, oh, you're talking about the thing where he's in a wig and all that. Well everyone's I thought that that guy was David Ferry, But what's his

name? The guy that's pro Warren report saysn't. No, no, no, it's not David Ferry. That's fine, I guess, but that's Charle. What's he doing with that kid? What are they all up to? Then he could have talked to me. Yeah, I don't know what to make. You know, it gets to be a muddy, strange area. And people have played this game in JFK assassination photographics, Uh, you know

stuff for years and years. I'm not saying that you are, But what I am saying is that we tend to see things and see people in places sometimes and it's a lot of interpretation. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's weird. And why why was is that everyone on that road to me looks familiar, like someone put this thing here. I could swear the guy

to the left of Oswalds Don Adams FBI. Okay, that that gets even stranger because you're talking about the guy who from the FBI who wrote a book a couple of years ago, only maybe what ten years ago or something? Right that Don Adams? Right, Yeah, I mean, now you're getting real strange. You know. That'd be like, here's Harold Weisberg and two guys from the Mob, you know, sitting down at a at a soda fountain. You know it would be, Or here's here's the three of them

walking out of Macy's together. I'd be like, what the hell is going on here? You know? And it's not a picture or a story about them that it's connected to. And I just I'm having trouble reposting your picture, by the way in the chat. But I did just post a picture of Cookie Opuss because that came up on Aaron Show last week. I had that ready. But anyway, COOKI o Puss was a carvel tree that I find funny. But anyways, yeah, I can't see him to repost that

picture even it's a weird picture, but we'll try and include it. Maybe you can repost it in the chat. I post it's just so weird. Gotcha. Also, Yeah, everyone at that bart looks familiar to me. Well, that might that might be more of it. That might be more of you interpreting things than what's really happening there. But you never know. Stranger things have occurred. After all, Judy Baker claimed to be in a picture where there's some blurry woman like two blocks away from Clay Shaw one time,

and that was supposed to be proof that she knew him. But anyway that happening or not happening, who knows. B Pete, you said you had a follow up to some question JJ asked you, like a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, two weeks ago we were talking about the money that was found. But what's his name's wife? Dorothy? You're talking about Dorothy Hunt I Howard Hwick's wife. Yeah, and the ten grand, Yeah, that was recovered near her, But then the speculation that other money was probably

present absconded with. There should have been hundreds of thousands whatever, but they found ten grand either on in some luggage of hers or in a baggers somehow connected to her in cash. But yeah, so you did a little follow up on that. Yeah, I did some looking into it to try to find the source of the money, because that was Jimmy's question, if we

knew where if they had ever found out where the money came from. The best I've been able to find it was Sherman Skoldnick that had run a series of articles back then when it happened, and apparently he's been able to trace the money to about eleven million dollars that the creep the committee to re elect the President had diverted for the Watergate episode and some other shenanikins that they were pulling at the time. So based on what I've been able to find out

that he's really the only one that really looked into the source. And from what I understand, it was like ten thousand found in her purse, right, but in her lokage there was like one hundred thousand that supposedly got its kind of like the JFK thing, it got inventoried, but then it suddenly was deinventoried. Right, I'm wondering if that money was given back to the source. Here's the problem. Okay, you know, just keep it hitting.

So here's the problem where Sherman Skolnick is an interesting character in JFK research history. Interesting guy all the way around. I think professionally he might have been a lawyer if I remember right. I mean, I haven't looked up anything on him in a long time, but he was a wheelchair bound guy and had done some really good work on a couple of areas of the case at a time when the resources to do that work were very limited, very

hard to come by. But the problem with Skolnick is that occasionally you will find claims that nobody else can verify. That. He comes up with something and makes a claim, and when you get all the way to the bottom of it, it becomes well, it's more about what's missing than what he found, and he's making an assumption at some point. And that's an honest criticism of a guy who's long dead. May Brussel appreciated him, for sure, but outside of that, Sherman Skolnick was kind of, I don't know,

like a double edged sword. Some of his stuff he couldn't independently verify it, and that makes it difficult. Some stuff he came up with, though, was actually well ahead of some of the authors that have been given credit for it when they found the evidence, you know, other evidence later to back up some claims he made this indeed, is one of those times, I think, because only Skolnick, to my knowledge, has ever made a claim that there was evidence to support this, and I've never been able

to see it. And you know, he was robbed at one point. He had a station wagon I think, with a wheelchair in the back and a whole bunch of his research, and somebody went in there and stole his wheelchair and his research and left other things in the car that were probably a lot easier to move at a pawnshop. But yet that's what they took from

him, is his wheelchair and his research. You know. So he's yeah, gol a police department, as I recall, Yes, the LA Police Department had seized a bunch of things and suddenly we never took that, you know, became the cry. Uh literally, that's what happened to him. Now. I don't know if he's got anything to back that up, because I've never seen, you know, hard evidence to back up his claim. But that does make sense that Skolnik would have said it. But did he

have anything to back it up or was it an assumption he made. I don't know. So I would say Keith digging, but that's I think where the idea comes from, even is his assertion. You know, other people speculated as well. But when you dig on their speculation, even if they say it's you know, proven, you come up with at some point they're making an assumption. So that's the problem with the missing you know, Hunt money. You know, ten grand we can verify. So I've heard them.

I've heard, yeah, the ten grand's supposedly could be verified, and I've heard them just looking through I've read like three or four different authors who claimed that, yeah, the money was you know, they they don't have the absolute proof, but they feel like it came out of creep funds that were used for not only the break in, but you know, the ten thousand was supposedly for Hunt keeping quiet, and apparently she was on her way

to go and purchase a holiday inn hotel with the ten thousand down, but the other monies were also supposed to go towards that. There was also a

lot of documents that ended up missing according to call me. Now. You know, I don't know if those have been traced down, but I would think that it would be you know, I'd say the odds are, yeah, that money was probably some money that got from the campaign to the shenanigans that the creep guys were pulling, both with Watergate and some of the other things that were going on, and that was just some of the money. Now, so I put serial numbers to go by who knows, just an

interest to keeping the show moving. I put Jimmy on hold. We have another caller coming up, a new one, and then we'll go back around or get to new ones as they come up. Three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six. Last word on this just for now is real simple though, because look when you can you notice how it sounds a lot like the story of what he experienced literally where his documents disappeared his wheelchair and his documents disappeared when the cops got involved. It's not a

stretch of the imagination. When you know, cash disappears when it's being seized. Uh, you know a drug dealer is going to sit there and complain that there was eight million dollars instead of the four million that they said they seized. Not really, uh, or anybody try to complain about it, Well, can't help you. We know what was inventoried. Money disappearing not

a shocker, but the fact is. I think you're looking at something that could have been transposed, because he had an experience that I that I do know was verifiable. His claim is verifiable that they might have you know, they definitely had his stuff and then didn't have his stuff. You know. Their thing I think was the time was oh that's clerical error. You know, they claimed they saw these things, they didn't actually take custody of them.

Whatever. And somehow in the shoveler's wheelchair was taken too, which I think might have been you know, a personal little f you to the guy. But you know, again, now I'm speculating. So let's get to the next caller. Let's see what is the area code on this one? Looks like nine one six. Let me see. Yeah, okay, I gotta like press my face up against the screen to see it. Nine one six area code. We'll get to you, and then we'll start getting back

around everybody and check the time. Might even be almost time for a break. But anyway, nine one six area code. You're live, and don't know if you want to talk about the man on fire, Dorothy Hunt, or something else on your mind is all up to you. Well, it's Danny out here. In California. What I want to talk about is I kind of want to chime in. You had a regular Joe and Captain trips on just recently, and I want to agree with the Like Captain Trips,

he came from a Christian perspective. I'm also a Christian too, and not everybody agrees with this Christian zionism. And he made the exactly what's reading my mind when he said, well, Jesus said, nobody will know the end of time. So when I got exposed this from this whole dispensationalism, I went down to deep die. It's kind of one of my four kas I

like to look at in history. That whole philosophy started maybe about less than two hundred years ago in England, and it was a fringe movement, like a lot of in all religions, Fringe movements slowly takes time to kind of catch on, and it was always a fringe movement. But what happened was there was a big selling, skulfilled Bible of that type of theology got kind

of like us. It was a big seller, and over time, as the mid while the mainline Protestant denomination started declining, they picked up on it, And then back in the seventies you had the best seller Howl Lindsay's Late Great Planet Earth. And the whole fight at that time was going to be Russia in Israel. And now it's evolved, it's kept evolving, and now

it's kind of it's even got like political power. Are you talking about the initial Worldwide Zionism Council or whatever it was called, where they were trying to find the new the new homeland that started in the eighteen hundreds, Are you talking about that movement the beginnings of that, Well, there there was, there was, There was There was a kind of a Christian Israel that that

was a set, but it was. It was a guy named John Nelson Darby, and he was a he was a Protestant theologian that kind of he kind of like what I studied. He kind of copied and paste sell versus the Bible and created this whole He started the whole rapture movement. It wasn't in the first century probably, I mean in the early Christian Church, they were they had the Creed, so there was always a second coming that not

this that the Church was going to be removed from Earth. And around the first thousand years there was you know, excitement that this is the millennium that there may be Christ returns, but it's kind of picked up them. So when you're seeing like a lot of the evangelicals that are kind of really they're all pro Israel that they believe they're going to usher in the Second Coming, this is this has started out as a fringe movement, but it's just gained

a lot of traction and it's been useful. Well these you know even though, right, So, what you're saying is, even though they're linked to ancient ideas, what the deal is is that the the codifying of this comes in around the same time of the idea that you know, there's going to be a day and all of the good people are going to be raptured up to heaven and stuff like that. All of those sort of fringe ideas, they're kind of newer developments in the circles of faith. That's what you're saying.

Yeah, I'm saying the first eighteen hundred years Christianity, there was there was really no concept of that. It's it's basically a newer concept that just solely avall and it's a great evangelical tool because hey, you got to get prepared now because the sickly comes any moment, you know, right and fair enough. And look, when it comes to this, I'm letting other people speak on it, you know, because they have their own ideas about it

and it's very personal to them. Much like that night, I wanted, you know, I wanted Captain Tripps to go ahead, speak from your perspective. Right, You're a Christian and this is linked to your faith. This is what I'm told, right, and this is what they teach from the pulpit, to the best of my knowledge, you know, So explain this to me and tell me about it from your side of it. And that's

what you're doing now, is tell me about the history. I understand that you're very correct about this, that these are very new ideas actually among the Christian circles of faith. And you know, Christian Christianity is not a geminy, it's not a completely homogenous the thing as you know, some people want

to represent it that way. And it's all supposed to be about, I mean, to my knowledge again, this is about, you know, an agreement that you all believe in the concept of the resurrection and that you know Jesus Christ is the guy who did it, and that's that. That is your point of agreement. After that, he all diverge into different directions, it seems like to me, I mean, I know that sounds really oversimplified, and maybe it is, but that's where I begin an end on this

is that everybody's got different ideas about it. I mean, it can go all the way from you know, the very intricate Catholic ceremonies to snake handlers, and it all starts with we all believe that Christ is the son of God and also part of this trinity concept, and he the resurrection. That's your basic tenets of faith. That's it. After that, though, it turns into all different things. And that's why there's so many different sects as

they call them. Captain Tripp, since you were addressed, go ahead and uh, you know, if you want to, well, I you know, I don't disagree with anything either of you said. Uh. Yeah, there are certain core tenants of Christianity that that you know, you you really you have to subscribe to or else. I you know, I can't understand how you call yourself a Christian. But quite frankly, and I'm sure I'm going to catch catch flack for this one, but I quite frankly don't see

the Christians iionis is really practicing Christianity. I'm not sure what they're practicing, but it doesn't jibe with anything I've ever read in the Bible. And I've read it, like I said, I've read it multiple times. So yeah, you know, and I I tend to subscribe to I think the concept, you know, I I I think the concept is simply profess your faith in Christ is not is not all you have to do. You know, Christ tells you to live your life a certain way, not just say you

believe in him, and he clearly says that. And I have to look at the scripture because now it just flew out of my mind, but basically he attributed words to Christ. There there are certain ones of you who will claim that you're doing my work. You know, you're doing my father's will, but you're not, and you won't be saved so simply by believing that

Christ is the Messiah, which I do. But I also think that inherent in that is, if you're going to believe in that, then the other side of that coint is you are supposed to live your life a certain way. Not that we're not all sinners, but if you just you know, I used to always use the concept of so you're trying to tell me that if you know, two minutes before Adolf Hitler put a bullet in his head, he professed to be a follower of Christ, that he's forgiven for everything.

That's just you know that, you know, Like, like I've always said, I got a lot of questions like when I when I get there right? And I saw I saw a cartoon some years ago, which again I love, I love my cartoons. Everybody knows that that listens to my show. But uh, one of the best things was, you know, like it was like serial killer Cannibal sits there and goes, oh, so

that's my last minute get out of jail free card. So they're about ready to swoop down on him and like shoot him to death, you know, like, uh, FBI squad is coming in with the paratroopers, about ready to put a bullet in his head. And then uh, and then they switched to Osama bin Laden and Osama bin Laden is waiting to get you know

killed. In the whole story where the you know, the guys bust in and shoot him right and uh, and he holds up his hands and he goes, uh, I claim Jesus Christ is my true Lord and Savior. And as he's getting shot, he gets to go into heaven. And I kind of went, yeah, that's about how I Yeah, but that's how I boiled down some people's interpretation. Yeah, Carlin has Carlon has had a great clip of who's talking about Jerry Folwell, an old Carlon clip? And

they start, when did I say build a water park? Yeah? He's he sits there. I'm looking through this Bible, and where does it say, Oh, Sam Kennison did that too? Where did I say build a slide? Water slide? It could have been you know what, it could have been Tennyson. I thought it was Carlin, but I remember Kennison doing it because he had been a preacher and all that. By the way, brought up in the chat is the idea that Darby also puts to the rapture

cult of American exceptionalism escapist theology. Uh uh, let's see through through that Thompson Chain Bible. Okay. What's interesting here, though, is that baked into American culture is also the concept of Calvinism, which is where I start having big arguments and get myself in trouble cause, you know, the calvin is pretty much believe that those that are rich and successful are that way because God ordained them to be that way, and this is the way life is.

So if your life sucks, it's because God decided that's the way your life's supposed to be. Really weird Calvinism, and I know I've totally oversimplified it, but it's baked into American culture in a lot of ways. If you listen to the way, you know, everybody almost always goes to the idea of, well, you know, you brought this upon yourself, and that's the way it is. Despite the fact that it seems to me like the idea of upward mobility is what should be baked into the American culture.

The delusion of it is there, but the brass tax of it end up more like, no, if you're you know, selected, or you're part of the elect then you're allowed to be you know, to be fruitful and thrive, which is always weird when religiosity gets into this because I don't know, I don't see a lot about your financial success, you know, it's not like in Star Trek the FARINGI what is it the the rules of acquisition that they live by. That's not the Bible, you know. Anyways,

we're gonna take a quick break. B Pete has kind of dropped off for a minute. He might return because he's at work. He might not. But I've got a couple of callers on the line. I'll get back around to everybody and anybody else knew that wants to join in absolutely welcome at all times. Bring up whatever you want, throw on the table, whatever you like. And that number to join is three one nine five two seven five zero one six. Once again three one nine five two seven five zero one

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gonna be what it's gonna be, Captain Trip. You wanted to dovetail onto the conversation from the last segment so on you man, I just wanted to throw in that I found the scripture that I was looking for. It comes from Matthew chapter seven. It comes out of the parable of the tree and the fruit. So where we get the when we get the concept of you know, a good tree bears good fruit, and bad tree bears bad fruits.

But when you get to verse twenty one, not everyone who says to me, Lord Lord, will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, Lord Lord, did we not prophecy in your name, and in your names drive out demons and perform miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you. Depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. So therefore, in the next parable is the house on the rock.

Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and acts on them as like a wise man who builds his house on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not act on them, as like the foolish man who build his house on sand. The rain fell once raids, and the winds blew and beat against the house, and it felt and great was

its collapse. So yeah, I don't and I don't buy into the calvinistic concept of predestination, and certainly don't buy into the concept of you know, the wealth or favor that was that's and I don't I never really quite figured out how some of these, some of these later denominations so twisted what was actually written in the scriptures, because you know, it's it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter

the gates of heaven. And I'll get off, I'll get off. I'll get off the pulpit right now. There you go, except for religious you know. But providence is a concept that I don't necessarily disagree with. I mean, I think some things are predestined, but there's usually a logical reason how that got lined up. I mean, you inherit from you know, your your home and your culture, that you absorb a lot of things that

preset a lot of your destination, for sure. But it seems to me as though the idea of America anyway, and the spirit of it, if you will, is supposed to be. I mean, that silly thing they always told me as a kid is you can be whatever you want to be. You can ascend whatever heights you want to ascend to make of it what you will. I always thought that was one of the cornerstones, but I've

been taught otherwise over the years. I just I just always thought that was the old army commercials from the eighties, be all that you can be in the army. See it could be that thing I mixed up. P Pete has rejoined us. By the way, My co host is back, so I don't know if he wants to add anything in before we go running through the callers again, or anybody new that shows up at three one nine,

five, two seven, five zero one six. Got plenty of time to work with tonight if we want it, so, uh, you know, get on and say whatever you want to say about whatever you want to talk about. Be Pete, what's uh? What's up? Man? Oh? Nothing, I just had to go make a traffic check on, so we go divert traffic into the ditch. Guys, we're working without here or not

the most stellar when he comes to paying attention to detail. But I've been catching just bits and pieces of the discussion since I took off down the road. I would like to ask you a favor though that link that I sent you to the rand Paul op ed that he and unfortunately he you know, printed it on Fox. I know a lot of people have a lot of

problem with that. But if you'll think back to when we were having discussions, I remember somebody asked me, and I think it was it may have been Jimmy James, I'm not sure, but they asked if I thought at one time that COVID was manufactured for a purpose. And when you look into that op ed and you read through it and you read about the chronology of things that went on back in twenty eighteen, I was dead on when I

said that this thing started. It a couple of labs, one of them being here at the University of North Carolina and North here in North Carolina, Chapel Hill, right. One of the big proponents of that was a guy that was that was running the lab there, that was working with Fauci and apparently in this article. And the only reason I bring it up is because a lot of the things that we said when this thing first came out,

a lot of things we suspected have been proven to be true. Well even just to make this point real fast, even one of the things that I was directly penalized for on YouTube turns out to be a plausible explanation later when I simply speculated that, of course something like this would come out of a lab. I don't know if people remember. This might have gone down the memory hole already, but there was a point in time in which you were

not allowed to say that this could have been manufactured in a lab. You were punished for it, and I was punished for it on YouTube directly. It was part of why they took me down. I just wanted to point that out, Bepede, is that And I wasn't being hard about it. I was saying that, and should we trust the big pharma companies who have a track record like this publicly no knowledge about the damage they've done, the lawsuits, et cetera. And yeah, I was taken down for medical disinformation.

That was one of my major strikes against my account. So but please go. Yeah, well, I was going to say, you know, he come to find out that back in twenty eighteen they had made a proposal to DARPA about this actual project, and you know, Fauci all along was claiming that he had no knowledge of this, and oh no, you know, he started out saying, well, it could have been from a lab, and then they changed course and he actually sponsored a research paper to say

why it couldn't. And now we're finding out that it was to cover his butt. Because the databases that all these labs put these these actual makeup of these virus is in when this thing happened, there were some references to viruses

that were in the database that were actually in this Darper proposal. Well, come to find out, these guys not only pitched this to DARPA, they pitched it to fifteen different agencies, including the NIH and the Naiad, which Naiad which is Fauci's department of the NIH, and Fauci's own lab in Colorado was proposed to be part of this research. And all along he's been telling

Congress, we didn't know anything about it. Nobody had a clue. There were fifteen government agencies that knew that this thing was proposed, and suddenly a year later they're all silent. And this took place back when Trump was in office. So it just goes to show you how far the deep state can

try to suppress things. Here it is, what five years later and we're finally getting this information out and it was only because of freedom of information requests that were made, and then finally Congress sat down and said, okay, we want these documents, we want these emails, we want all this information. They finally started giving it up, and now we're actually seeing exactly what happened. I'm just curious to see how long it's going to be before we

start prosecuting some of these people. Oh well, it won't happen. Yeah, but the evidence is out there. It was all a big sham, the whole thing. Yeah. Well, see, there you go. Even though I don't endorse that documentary you know that calls itself the scamdemic or whatever, because there's some poorly sourced things in there. It's not like the concept is wrong, concept is correct, execution poor, you know. And here we go again. Right, you can get penalized for speaking out about the

wrong thing at the wrong time. Absolutely, Look at how many you know. That's where substack got big. That was the first time I'd ever heard of substack is when some of these authors of paper said, look, I'm putting it here because every other platform I put it on I'm being dplatformed, right, So here it is at my substack that's when I first heard of substack. Is what we were talking about, all this COVID crap. Right.

But now, like I said, just like the evolution of podcasting, everybody and their mother's got something, or at least they figured out how to hook onto X and go out there and do it. Because there's lots of you know, live podcasts going out on X, you know, so there you go. Now everybody and their mother has it. But what does it do a lot of the platforms that you were supposed to have, you know, equal access to, not so much anymore. And it all swings one

way or the other, and it doesn't really matter. And they think it's only going after conservatives. No, it goes after anything that could possibly challenge the system. Okay, And indeed some people they're challenging the system when really they're making irresponsible statements. You know, people that are out there talking about you know, they're making violent statements, making threats of violence. You weren't taken down because of your stance against system. You were taken down because of

your violent statement. You were taken down because you literally were defaming somebody in some cases, but in cases where people are actually you know, challenging the system. Yeah, you get hit, you're you know, medical disinformation, you are an election denier, you are et cetera, et cetera, and you get those wonderful labels. Anyways, we could go back around to the callers. What do you think, Bpeach, should we go there or what next? Yeah, I mean that would be fine. I just want to

add one other point. I've made this point before, and I'm sure people are tired of hearing it, but when you look at the the Black Book of Communism, where you look at any of the statistics that have kept so far, and you look at these regimes and the means of people that have and killed, you've got Communist China, Soviet Russia, the Nazis in Germany,

and number four Anthony Fauci and his bunch. Well, look, I know nobody, nobody likes to hear this, but the truth is that the medical industry and it's wonderful partners in the drug industry have very likely been responsible for more deaths than all of the wars combined during the time that the United Statess existed. And that's as far as I'm concerned. An absolute fact doesn't matter how you want to slice it. Sorry, good, I'll second that. I'll second that, so you know, sorry, that is just the

way of it. And meanwhile, we're supposed to say no, you need to blindly do what trust. The science is, The science is the ciens, right, So that's what he said. I am science. She questioned me your question in science, So I'd love to question him sitting on a defendant's chair, and I'm just wondering, if we see a change in government this next election, and he goes back leaning the other way, if we're

going to start seeing some of this stuff end up in court. Right, Hey, one of you mainstream jerks who listens to my show, go ahead and license the Thomas Dolby song, please, And when you decide to cover some of this stuff and do the she blended me with science, do d do? Go ahead, do that and play some clips of you know, because I can't afford to license that. Do that, since you guys do

steal ideas from me, please, because I would love to. I'll play it on my show and you guys don't have to hit me for a copy, right, Okay, So there you go, a little little give and take, little give and take. Nobody works Oh, by the way, whoever it was that was working for Don Lemon doesn't work for him anymore. They used to listen to my show, and I'm sorry to see him go. Uh but who knows, who knows who's listen into me anymore because I'm

seeing weirdo working. Yeah, there was somebody listening to Don Lemon or working for Don Lemon listening to my show. Yeah, and it was weird because they literally scripted pieces that were direct quotes off of my show an hour later on. It was weird stuff they were taking. It wasn't like, you know, it's not like my ideologies anything like Don Lemon's. But some of the odd points were word for word, take it out of my guest's mouth or my mouth an hour later on his show. Yeah. Not when he

would play you know, how Racist is It? Because usually had an hour of news, you know, news argument, then an hour of how Racist is It? Where he'd put on you know, the Brady Bunch boxes of people on the screen, and then you know, let's let's argue over racism. I don't think he can do that anymore. But he's out there independently platformed as well, and despite all the contrue controversy with him in interviewing Elon.

I think he's still on X. Also weird the led Don Lemon stay on there, even though Elon was pissed off at him directly to his face, but they won't read state Maria Heller. I don't know. It's weird they put Alex Jones back on, Trump back on, but not Maria Heller. I don't know. Yeah, Alex is going through a pretty good rehabilitation here. In the past four or five months. I've noticed, oh yeah,

a whole HBO documentary. I'm not sure if it's a series or if it's just a long documentary, but just came out a few weeks ago all about Alex Jones, just saying, you know, and they follow him through the court proceedings and all this stuff, and you know, they watch him, you know, violate things, and it would crack me up. Is the part where he's trying to say that the one guy who's the parent of one of the Sandy Hook victims. He says, uh, yeah, well,

clearly that guy is what did he use? Mentally, he's kind of like, you know, on the spectrum or something like that, And then he walks into a courtroom like an hour later after doing a live broadcast saying that, sitting like ten feet from the guy and turning around, he's like, Alex, Alex, you know, he kind of I don't know. I can't understand why I went so overboard on Sandy Hook, especially after he

saw what happened to FETs her. But you know, the one thing that stands out to me, and somebody pointed this out before nine to eleven happened. This was in July, Alex Jones predicted that the towers were going to be hit and it was going to be blamed on Osama Bin Latton. And I thought, if Alex Jones can make that prediction, you can't tell me that our government didn't know what was happening. Yeah, but he stole that from He stole that from Bill Cooper really still just to be able to make

the pronouncement if he he can put it together. Our government knew that the thing was gonna happen, No, okay, I don't know why they couldn't figure that nine to eleven wouldn't be the day they did it proper time context. Here's the thing. First of all, Bill Cooper figured that one out Alex Jones stole it from. Secondly, by the time Alex Jones was screaming about Sandy Hook, uh, Fetzer had not been taken to court yet.

See that's true, Yeah, so true. But but you know, because Fetzer made the famous comment you know why sue Alex Jones, sue me? And sure enough they did, they did exactly from a million four right, but you know, the the billion dollar leaning against Jones. And now he says, oh, we're bankrupt now, yeah, anyway, you see, it's all still functioning, everything's fine, right, and he's getting absolutely if what is his name? Oh, who was the televangelist Jim Baker? No,

well, Jim Baker, Jim Baker. Well, Jim Baker wound up selling apocalypse buckets or whatever prepared. In fact, a somebody, some court came down on him about making claims some of the stuff that he was selling. But yes, you can still get your survival food in a five gallon bucket, right, a five gallon like a paint bucket of survival food. And I don't know, I understand, I don't know anybody who's bought it, but apparently he was doing pretty well with it, you know, I

don't know. I don't know, but it was pretty funny because during some of the trial clips they showed there, they were like, you know, there were people working for him that were going, look, we know that this is going to help us sell our supplements. You know, So they were targeting supplement ads at a certain time because and when they asked Alex Jones about it on the stand, he basically would do a commercial. We've been

getting it from the best places in North America. We lab tested everything and we made short ladies, gentlemen, ard time. And that's what he did on the stand in the court, which so I don't know. I gotta say, you gotta watch this HBO thing if you haven't, but you got it. You gotta give Alex credit. He was very creative when they really backed him into the corner and he just said, hey, I'm just playing

the persona on my show. I mean, you got to give him credit for thinking on his team well, hey, hey, that was his lawyers. And that was during the custody trial right where his you know, his ex was trying to get custody of the kids, and his defense was I'm actually a performance artist. That's why for years I was saying, I'm not crazy. I'm just an actor. I'm a performance artist. So that's why I was calling him the the the performance artist formerly known as Alex Jones for

a while. But you know, I got a lot of nicknames for him, Panic attack Jones. You know, I like that because he tries to ratchet his listeners up. If you listen to it, it's like he's trying

to get you worked up. You know, Like that day that he was screaming that we were being invaded from the Southern Board that I turned it on to one day, I'm like, Wow, this is amazing because it almost sounds like literally there's troops landing in Mexico that are streaming over the border, that are just taking down the fences that are streaming, I mean like pouring in, like as if enemy troops were pouring into Texas. Uh, the way that he made it sound. Now, some people would say that's my

favorite has always been the gay Frogs. Well Gay Frogs is interesting too. I like when he rips off his shirt toe and starts screaming, challenging people to fight him, and you know, uh somebody that one day. Yeah, look, I guarantee that a pay per view with Alex Jones in the cage with just about anybody would probably sell Oh you know, I'd almost buy it. Well, we might partner on it, you know what I'm saying. Get buy a live stream, you know, give me your pass code.

Well we will watch the replay, you know, or maybe we could both watch it, maybe get more than one viewer on it at a time. We could do a watch party with it, you know. Anyway, let's get back around to some of the callers though, that have been patiently waiting see if they want to add anything to it, or add anything to the previous discussion. It's all up to them. And I think this is Chris, but the numbers not identified on my board, is that you Chris?

Yes, all right, excellent, I see I see a phone number, but no name, so I wasn't sure. And we've had one hang up or two hang ups. But anyway, you're back on, and I think Jimmy James is up after you. So anything you want to add in here, or you want to go in another direction, or should we talk about the Bible the guy lightened himself on fire, Alex Jones, or do you have another idea? It's up to you now realistically enough time to go

into everything that i'd like to be able to discuss. I would like to touch on what a Bepete was talking about in terms of the you know, COVID nineteen. Sure, I've learned to adopt it, you know, calling it a convent nineteen. You know, I didn't coin that phrase be pretty suitable. Okay, convent night. Did you explain that? Would you mind? Because I never heard that. You're good, Well man, it's well, we were all caught, you know, by the whole thing. Okay,

that that's pretty much. That pretty much sums it up. I mean, I mean, I mean, shoot, I mean he can look back like I mean, you know, it's been a while since I did it, but I mean you can you you should, unless they've scraped it from the internet, which hopefully I'm not the only person that's aware that you know that you know, listen to this podcast or part of this podcast at this moment, and how they scrape information from the internet every once in a while,

you know, just go there or at least bury it, you know. But I mean you can look up to where I mean, there are patents that were fouled, you know, for you know COVID nineteen testing. You know, it wasn't when they initially and this I want to say this, they back to twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. You know, it's been it's been a while since as more familiarized with the general idea of twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, where they were developing and submitting patents for the testing. Well,

Chris, what are you pandemic? Yeah? What you're telling me, Chris, is that you know, ahead of the surprise virus that supposedly shut down you know, whole chunks of the world ahead of that, you know, the virus they claimed they had no heads up on, they had no warning about. What you're saying is somebody had tests in hand already, you

know, ahead of that. Is that what you're saying, Yes, sir, okay, no, just check well, I mean, you know, conveniently, like you know, and I'm not trying to I mean, I'm still saying I'm somewhat on subject, but I mean, you know, today with the must be the eighth five N one, you know, the than the news strain of the avian bird flu that we're all supposed to be scared

him. And guess what you know where the US has been spending money for gain the function research for H five N one, the Wuhan Center of Virology. Right, that's that's somewhat somewhat new news. You know that a lot of people probably aren't familiar with. But it's Sims too. Well, you know, the only thing that was surprising. I'm sorry, no, I just wanted to say, Chris, if you don't mind, the only thing that was surprising to me is that it wasn't yet again another uh, another

sort of boogeyman, another vaporous thing. Because for decades now we've been treated to get ready for the new bird flu, get ready for the new swine flu, get ready for the new zeke even back in the eighties. Oh yeah, there's something that's going to kill us every other year, yeah,

every other year. Right. It was either it was either that or the killer bees that were going to migrate, and you know, and we were going to be overwhelmed one way or another, overwhelmed with a swarm or a pandemic that was come and come and coming, and it was constant reusing them. Like I said, it was zekea, it was bird flu. They had that flesh eating thing for a little while that was gonna be big, you know, because a couple of people didn't forget. Don't forget monkey pox?

Oh, monkey pox? Right right, amos, you please do not say monkey pox. That is extremely racist. Wait monkey pox, Yeah you don't, yeah, chuck, believe it or not. Somehow somebody turned monkey pox into being a racist, so now they call it impos In fact, we had a story. You get two people that caught it here in North Carolina. I was not aware that monkeys could be offended. But if they are, my apology, my monkey brothers go go right ahead, lamp box,

all right, pine some kind of pox. But look the different flus, right, the different What was the other thing that was gonna get us? All they had to give us? Everybody has to get a human papaloma virus treatment now too, right, because even if you don't have a cervix, you can get cervical cancer or spread it. I don't know, I

don't know what the hell's going on, you know what I mean? With all these diseases that were supposed to come and get us, but finally they had one that they actually had to act upon, you know what I mean, as opposed to the panicking and the warnings about the thing that never shows up. I mean, you gotta crying wolf for a while works, but every once in a while you got to show people a wolf. I guess, you know, I don't know. This is just my speculation, but

you might know better than me, Chris. Maybe maybe there's more to it. But it just seemed to me like there was a virus dezure for years that was gonna come, that was on its way. And occasionally, Yeah, I liked the zecra virus thing though, because you had the kids with like the shrunken heads or whatever. I mean, there was a weird thing going on. I couldn't nail down zeca virus. But yeah, bird flu

and swine flu were the constants. It seems like, I mean, Captain Trips, wait a minute, we have a medical practitioner on the line. Uh. Trips helped me out what was this series of flus that were supposed to kill us all? And maybe maybe you could comment on this a little bit. I mean, you know, he traced it back to the Spanish flu, which wasn't Spanish of nineteen eighteen, And the truth of the matter is that that most of those people that died didn't die from the damn flu.

They died of secondary bacterial pneumonia. And another interesting thing that I came to find out about the Spanish flu that occurred when aspirin was brand new, no one knew how to dose it. Half of these people died of ask for overdoses because they bled out. So I mean, yeah, they,

oh yeah, you want to ask you ques question? Go ahead, Okay, I heard no. No, you know, I'm not expert on any subject, but i'd heard it in regards to the Spanish flow that pretty much how they when they were connected their initial studies, you know, originally many many years ago, like I mean and or you know, yeah, their methods of infecting people were I mean, there's some and there's some questions.

Could that could be a risen? Yes, yes there are there are definitely something I'm familiar with it because the first case is that it came out of an army base I think it was Fort Levenworth actually, and then they shipped all these you know, they shipped all these guys to Europe. But yes, there there's some there is some questions as to the to the actual origins and you know, like everything else the story is very clouded now, you

know, we're well over one hundred years past it. But I mean, to me, that's what that's what kicked off the modern in the modern pandemic scare porn. And then you had this, you know, the supposed swine flu that was going to kill everybody in the seventies and actually more people died

of their magic juice than died of the actual virus itself. You know, in terms of this latest I mean, Zica was Zica was a bunch of bullshit because that that that was supposedly going to directly affect my practice area and where I was practicing when that was at its peak, we would have had those babies. I'd never ever saw a baby tested positive for Zeca virus,

so I'm not that that to me was a crop. Well, this latest thing with the good I was just going to say, another fun threat during the cycles of threat was that Ebola was going to come and get us any times. Yeah, I haven't heard it from it Bola in a while. The Bola virus has been out of the headlines. I think that fell out of favor. But real quick, just as a reference, real quick, just as a reference, I guess who was on this show, Jessica Rose.

Uh. Doctor Jessica Rose is constantly writing on substack about the different developments regarding the uh you know, the variance of the the the the COVID whatever whatever you want to call it. Uh. She is constantly putting out up to date information and research on her substack, which I've now posted a link to in the o'celli chat room as well. So sorry, and you actually you were on that show with Jessica Rose one of them, weren't you? Yeah? Yeah, okay, Yeah, I've talked to her. I've talked

to her his plice. Yeah. I mean, the only the only question I have remaining on COVID is did it accidentally escape or was it purposely released? And I'm honestly leaning toward the fact that it was purposely purposely released. Yeah, I can't independently from that. And the thing with a Bola and the reason why that's going to drop out of it, they're going to give up on that. A virus like ebola is never going to become a pandemic.

It's too fatal. And that's the reason why they were able to pull off the COVID crap because when when you have a virus, I mean, ebola has something I mean true, a bola has something like a ridiculous fatality rate. Yeah, because before it can escape, well let me let me put this in Layman's terms, if you don't mind, before it can escape an area and spread, what happens is people die so fast that it literally contains itself. You can't get the disease to go further than a certain amount

of time unless somebody intentionally weaponized and launched it. You say, yeah, that would be that would be how it would have to have to happen. Yeah, I mean because you die literally, I think, what is it, like, seventy two hours is the maximum you get to live if you get in with this thing? I forget. It's pretty bad. Yeah, I mean it's pretty bad. It's within five days. I think most most people die. Yeah again Layman here, but I'm just saying, similar to

Marburg. Similar to Marburg. So there you have it. I mean, so it kills too quickly. I'm sorry, No, I was just gonna say, it just kills too quickly. So that's why a bola is not useful as a big global threat, because it would just it would come in it would crash, it would kill in an area and be done. But this kind of thing, you linger, and it hangs on the idea behind this, which is how you can say, look, it's everywhere now, so don't leave your house, you know, and if you get it,

you might not even feel like you got it everything else. So now you're questioning every cold and sniffle. And I mean, look, I don't know anybody honestly that wasn't a little guilty of wondering if they caught it the second their nose dripped or something. You know, they had a little something that they would have written off his allergies long ago, and they're going, oh god, you know, is that COVID? And if they weren't doing it,

people around them were. Like I said, when I went out to a store when the masking thing really took hold, which did not last in Georgia long at all. But I went to a store with Frankie and I'm standing there and I like coughed and didn't think about any of this, and and somebody jumped, like did a weird kind of like acrobatic jump to get out of the way of me coughing. Standing online at a circle k right, and I was like, oh, look, I'm sorry, but I'm

a smoker. I coughed, you know smoker's cough. No, it's not it's not the rona. Okay, like I have been an announcement. I was a store. You go good. I was. I was. I was in scrubs one day, I was getting I was filling up my gas tank coming home from work, and I had some moron yelling at me for wearing scrubs outside of a hospital because I was going to spread COVID. Right, So I said to me, let me hug you left, hug you. That's that's hilarious. Give me a hut. Come on, come on,

give me a hug. Fair enough. It was a hero. Yeah. Wait, wait, aren't they supposed to be banging pots on their balconies for you because you're wearing scrubs? Or that was the other weird Yeah,

okay. You know when I when I tell people I'm in medicine, my next comment is say place they please don't hold it against me, right, I mean, you realize when I make these comments about and I say it all the time, that the Captain Tripps is practically the only literal medical practitioner that I trust in the world, uh, like the only one outside of like, you know, I I trust what Jessica Rose is putting out because I've checked through it. But I'm saying somebody actually know personally that's it.

I don't forget it anybody else says their doctor anything. I mean, Dennis are very necessary though, because another thing to put in context with the Spanish flute thing is that you take a look at the commonality of declarations of death, which is studying death certificates for a while. I did that as part of when I was training myself regarding medical legal autopsy. Okay, And there

was a time period in which in the Greek brought this up. He's the only person I've ever heard of bring it up on the Ocellian the Greek rated Why thing we do? He said, you know, there was a time period there, like I was talking about how heart failure is the constant refrain of cause of death during a certain time period, and he said, yeah, but look back at this other time period you'll see that it's all connected to dental problems. And he was correct. There's a whole bunch of topic.

Yeah, there's a time period where yeah, it was one of the most common things is you died from either infections from you know, bad a tooth goes bad to get an infection in the mouth. There was other toxicities linked to tooth decay, uh, you know, like the swallowing or inhaling of a tooth, which causes damage that winds up bleeding to somebody's death. Super common for like a decade and a half in the twentieth century one of

the most common causes of death listed. And he was right. And I didn't even realize that even though I had looked back at the history for a while, because I was more stunned with the idea that everybody dies of a heart attack. But anyway, go ahead, trips, well, think think think of it. Think of it this way. What's what's you know, short of short of IV, what's the quickest way to get something into the

body sublingually? Right, you know, under the tongue, you know, and so you know, if you got to if you've got a mouth swimming with pathogenic by bacteria, it's it can go right into your bloodstreams. You know. If you have people that have had heart replaced heartfil replacements, you you know, before you have dental any type of dental work, you have to go onto an antibiotic for I think it's seventy two hours and a look.

But you know, you go into an antibiotic prior to getting an eating done in your mouth just because you know it's it's a direct route right into the bloodstream, right. So yeah, no, he is, he is correct about that. No, and it causes all I mean, and I've you know, been through several abscesses in my mouth and stuff like that because I've had broken and bad teeth. But it is it is very likely one of the that that'll probably be my likely cause of death when it comes around,

is a bad tooth will probably kill me, which is weird. But but it'll be attributed to a heart attack still because that's still one of the most common things. They either have respiratory failure or a heart attack basically some sort of a form of uh yeah, you know it. It basically is is the heart stopped? Is the description one way or another. There's a couple of different ways they phrase it, but I mean, and to me,

it's like that's the effect, that's not the cause. I always find that to be one of the most lazy things on a coroner's report or on the you know, on the autopsy report, when they attribute it to heart failure, because that's usually not the price. It's like, that's what occurred after something else went wrong in my mind. Well, you know, you know, a lot, a lot of the problem, a lot of the problem with that is just how you fill out death certificates. It is such

a and it varies from state to state. But I don't do them in Florida. I did them. I did them up north, and it is it is so convoluted the way you have to write it, and you actually steal out a death certificate that you know, if you haven't done them, they don't make any sense, and if you're new at doing them, and nobody checks them, so half of them are wrong anyway. Right, And here's the funny part and a scary thing that a lot of people don't know.

But in the majority of h different uh what would we call them, you know, in different places locations in uh, in different places where you you're you are the authority, where you're the coroner per se. In the United States, the majority of them don't even require you to actually be a doctor. In order to be a corner. I don't know if people know this, but uh, you know, I mean literally, if you have somebody who is a medical examiner or a corner, they may not be medically

trained even which is a really bizarre thing. Or if they are, it's very minimal. Uh. They don't require doctors to feel so it's a weird thing. It is a very weird thing. So yeah, death certificates, uh should be red with a grain of salt. I'm just just telling you at all times anyway, Sorry about that. I just and COVID point and COVID pointed that out. How many people died of a diet in a car accident, but they you know, they swapped them for for COVID and you

supposedly found a positive PCR and listened COVID is the death. Yeah, and that sounds completely insane. Anything else, but it sounds completely insane. I mean, trips, you gotta be you gotta be honest subjectively, right, that sounds totally crazy. But again, I experience with reading these things, and also, like you pointed out, knowing how they're filled out, I am now not surprised that there are you know, Yeah, Okay, car

accident turns into a COVID death. I'm not surprised at all based on the fact that, Yeah, I got to think back to when I had to learn about how that was done. I guarantee you I'm better qualified as a corner than half of the corners in the country. I guarantee it. And I'm legally blind and have a high school diploma, and I guarantee you I could do better then half of the people you have out there writing up death certificates. Anyway, Sorry, it would not surprise me. It would not

surprise me. So let me let me break into here real quick. Oh yeah, b PTE, sure, yeah, let me break in here real quick. I've got to head down the road and we're getting ready to start rolling here big time. So I just wanted to, you know, say thanks to everybody for calling in. Captain Trips, Jim, James, Chris. I hope to see you next week, hopefully I won't have this heck

of your schedule. But before I leave, I want y'all to forget, you know, the forgotten virus that we don't think about, and that's the hunt of virus. Never heard anything about that? Yeah, so do you guys? Have a great night, and we will catch you next week and go to a Chelli dot com and that donate button. I do appreciate that. Thank you be Pete my coast on Friday nights, and that that makes

Captain Trips my default co host for the remainder. Uh. But anyway, I have put I have to put everybody on hold, so I'll leave it up to you Trips. Uh. I think we only have let's just double check here. I think we have Chris and Jimmy James still on the line. Now. We could let them loose both at the same time, but I would prefer that we let Jimmy on first. Or whatever it is you

want to do. You want to take it in another direction on A shout out to the hantavirus is not sorry, a shout out to the haunt of virus. It's not how I want to end the show for sure, So let's go in another direction. What do you think? I agree? Yeah, And actually I think hunted. Hunted is another one of those viruses that is so is so damn fatal, the mortality so high that it's very similar to ebola. It's it's gonna it's gonna localize and it's gonna kill too many

people that ever really spread. Right, But I agree with you. We had not heard from Jimmy for a while, so I would say bring it on exactly. So let's hear from Jimmy James. But you know, I'll remind people again that movie Outbreak with Dustin Hoffman. Uh yeah, I think they discussed the Haunta virus in there. Not a lot of detail, but enough for you to know that. Again, it's something that Outbreak would be

easy to control. All you'd have to do with minimal containment, I mean, as sad as it is, is just keep it to a restricted area for a minute and it won't go far. I mean, it's just that simple. You're either dead or not. That's it. And yeah it doesn't, it doesn't hang out for very long. But then again, pathogens, to my knowledge, you know, they are that way until they do change, and they often change over time, right, they they do. But

the trick is the key. The key to remember with that is it's always an inverse relationship. So if the virus, so the pathogen becomes more effective, it also becomes less virulent, which is actually what you saw with COVID, right, You know, as it becomes it spreads more easily, and as it spreads more easily, it loses it, It loses its virulent So the you know, each actual true case of someone who has the virus and is sick tends to be milder as the virus becomes more infectious. That was

what you know. That's why a lot of people, including myself, think that omicron was a direct lab creation, right as if as if to say it was started, it was thrown. It was thrown into the mix to be less virulent and spread more easily. And funny thing about great most of the sorry. A funny thing about science fiction though, is often when you see the common cold reintroduced after it's been defeated among humanity, whenever you see it come back, people talk about, well, this is going to be

lethal and fatal. Indeed, I think that would be the case, is if the cold was sort of eliminated for a while and no longer in circulation when it got reintroduced back to the human organism, I think that it would be fatal, almost like ebola, where you know, you'd probably get overwhelmed completely, not be able to breathe and suffocate. The death from a common cold if it's been removed from circulation for I don't know, a century,

two centuries, not sure how long. But if it got reintroduced, especially in its old form, our systems wouldn't be prepared for it, and boom, it would be lethal, you know. And you see that in science fiction, not only Star Trek, but I mean everything from Futurama to other

dystopian things where the common cold gets it's reintroduced into the population. One wonders if somebody doesn't have a long term plan about that, you know, take away a disease that people were prepared for for a while, you know, and then you have yourself a wonderful biological weapon, you know, a couple

of generations from now. And for those of you that think you're going to live forever because of you know, transhumanist technology, hey, maybe you could hang around long enough to wipe out a whole lot of us useless eaters. Huh. Anyway, Jimmy James should be back on the line. Jimmy, you're there, I'm here. Great, So we're going over time a little, so you have time. Go ahead, all right, what's opracrime?

What did you say about oprachrime. What is that again? So omicron was the was the supposed COVID variant that came out that was first first recognized in I want to say it was November twenty twenty one, and it looks and you've had you've had quite a few researchers that have actually looked at all the sequences that state that that's what they think too, that it was definitely a lab created. It was lab created to be more infect more infectious, and

less virulent. Because if you notice, that's when you stopped hearing about the COVID deaths was once the omicron strain took hold. Everybody was getting the damn thing and the majority of the people that were getting it one didn't know they had it, and the ones that did have symptoms were having very mild cold like symptoms to at worst a case of the flu. Was that before or after the delta variant? That was after delta delta? Okay, yes,

it's hard to keep it. Yeah, in my mind, it's been so long I blocked out that will quoint will be the piece of history that except naming each part of the supposed disease mm hmm, yeah, one right, I was gonna just say, the great majority of the variants came from the fact that they tried to vaccinate in the middle of a pandemic, which you know that you have, you had quite a few, You had quite a few people that knew what they were talking about and said that that there could

you don't there's not a worse idea than trying to vaccinate and know of a pandemic. And very similar to how you have antibiotic resistant bacteria, virus just adapts and it, you know, it escapes, it escapes whatever whatever ridiculous immunity that you may have gotten from that that poison that they were sticking into people, and it just caused it just caused a variance fact very basically.

Well, see, that's the other strange thing is I thought that that would have been the consensus regarding people because remember, I'm a guy who is very very leary of anything they call a vaccination and right, but you don't have to be an anti VAXX person to sit there and go, wait a minute, this doesn't fit the rules that you people said were absolute for the longest

time. And I don't mean you Captain Tripps, but I do mean are the people that were supportive of vaccinations, the people that swore up and down

you needed your flu shots, all of that. It seems to me as though the common you know, wisdom among them would have said, you can't do this in the midst of this thing being loose and spreading, because if you do, you're going to almost ensure that there will develop not in every patient, but you'll even if you take all the science and face value and you say you believe in it all and you're with it all, you're almost ensuring that there will be new mutations of this because at some point they will

resist the vaccination and through that resistance, I mean this happened with pneumonia, where pneumonia became more fatal because of the overuse of antibiotics. In my mind, nobody seems to claim that that's true, although they are starting to admit, you know, maybe we overdid it with the antibiotics in the population, But nobody's saying straight out that they caused more cases of pneumonia or more fatal cases of pneumonia by over prescribing antibiotics for decades. But it seems to me

as though that was the result. It's not even it's not even the prescription antibiotics, but it's all the antibiotics that are in the food. Well, that's the thing is if you have a full spectrum antibiotic and now you have a pneumonia that broke through all that, and you've been getting your antibiotics for Oh, I have an itch in my ear, here's an antibiotic. I have an itch on my skin. Here's another one. Plus you're eating and

drinking them because the animal products are loaded with them. If you have all that coming together and you get pneumonia, kinda says to me that pneumonia is resistant to the antibiotics that you have flowing in your system. Now, maybe that's me over simplifying things, but it says that now you have an antibiotic

resistant pneumonia. And by the way, I'm somebody who came up with an antibiotic resistant pneumonia at some point, because I've had pneumonia about six or seven times in my life now when I had it as a teenager or even earlier, once as a small kid, but once as a teenager, and it all came from poor living conditions and bad ventilation. But the truth is that that was not resistant. They were able to fight it with the antibiotics.

I got a little older, and the same thing happened to me. They gave me virtually the same antibiotics and got zero results, and then I had to go through a bunch of them before any of them worked personally, And it seems to me as though that's not an uncommon it's not a special Ocelli reaction. It seems to me to be a common issue. Now, you've treated many cases in pnemonia UH with infants. I bet because it's probably one of the more common ailments that a lot of critical babies come up with,

because breathing is one of the biggest issues in early life. I mean, I could be wrong, Go ahead. It is no, no, no, you're absolutely The one thing you have to remember about pneumonia pneumonia, believe it or not, is that not not the disease itself. Pneumonia is actually a result. So basically what pneumonia is that you basically have a consolidation in your lung right, So whether it's coming you have you know, a virus

can cause pneumonia, bacteria can cause p amumonia. So you know, people you tend to we tend to use the term pneumonia as as like a blanket term. But you also have to have to look at what's causing the moonia.

But what you're saying about the antibiotics is absolutely correct. And yes, I've treated talentless cases of pneumonia and yeah, but what you're saying about the and it does make perfect sense that first exposure to an antibiotic is most likely going to take care of it. And if your first case of ammonia was you know, bacterial on ammonia was as a teenager and you weren't exposed to these things in great number. But as you know, as you get older,

the more antibiotics you get in your system. And it's not just that, it's just the bacteria themselves have you know, have have have adapted to get around they they've you know, when when I look at you know, if I get a if I have a blood culture for instance, you know, we also get we get a blood culture and then you know, usually you find out in twenty four to forty eight hours if something is growing, and then generally by seventy two hours you get a report back of what the

actual bacteria is and also what antibiotics is resistant or susceptible to. And yeah, I mean you see I've seen you see some of these some of these bacterial infections that you're not going to use a common antibiotics for. I mean, you're talking about you You're you're talking about really big guy. You know, have had to use some really big gun antibiotics in in uh in daties

for for resistant bacteria. Right. But as a grown person, you know, it was like very common, very very close something you know, one of the miasins, something very close to like you know, a penicillin was effective. Now they had to give it to me by IV, but it was effective. Later on they try giving me, you know, the same conditions apply and they try giving me that again and it does nothing. So

then they step it up and it does nothing. And the next thing I know is I can only get this thing via a shot because it's you know, one of these more controlled antibiotics. I mean, at one point, roseepan was one of them that they were shooting me up with, and it was like, yeah, that's not quite working either. They had to go a step further, you know, And meanwhile, my lungs are okay,

I have a little bit of scarring. But my lungs are in remarkably good shape considering the fact that I've been smoking for forty years and and indeed pad pneumonia several times. So I have some scar tissue in my lungs now. But anyway, I have a question about these ant about some garbage food. Yes, my understanding, if you cook this thing right, well, as you cook it thoroughly, that junk shuit stoopy in there? Should it? Well, here's the problem, right milk? I honestly don't know the answer

to that question. Well, here's the problem milk most I mean, you might cook milk sometimes, but most times you don't cook milk. And there's definitely antibiotics present in a lot of milk based on the way the dairy industry handles its cow. Uh. So there's that. Eggs. Eggs is eggs is another one. If you if you're buying eggs that are you kind of you know, standard eggs will call them as opposed to you know, better free range organic eggs. Yeah, and eggs eggs aren't cooked at all.

So if the chickens are getting antibiotics, you are probably getting exposed to it through eggs. A cooking it. That's honestly, Jimmyjims, I don't know the answer to that question. It is a good question that I do not have the ag Yeah, I'm not sure on that either, but I will tell you this, I cannot eat and for the past ten fifteen years, I can't eat regular eggs. If I want to use an egg, I

have to go for the high priced free range. You know, we don't use any antibiotics in our chickens eggs, otherwise I get an allergic reaction. So I've developed what they call an egg allergy. Now since I'm like well, actually about twelve years around the time I turned forty, all of a sudden I was allergic to eggs and not sure why. I never was, you know, eggs used to be a staple part of my diet actually,

but at a certain point, I don't know. And if I try to eat, you know, common eggs, every once in a while, I will risk and go through the allergic reaction to get an egg McMuffin because for some reason, I don't know, they just represent comfort food to me, egg mcmuffins, you know. But honestly, anytime I try to eat a

standard egg or somebody uses. Even if missus O bakes a cake, I tell her she's got to go get the you know, expensive ass eggs, because I can't eat anything with one of those eggs in it, no matter how you cook it, mix it. If it's got egg product, it has to be the high grade eggs, the free range, you know,

organic all that. And by the way, not all organic eggs, even some organic eggs like Walmart has an organic egg and whatever they call organic, you gotta really check and see what they mean by that because they might you know, they might not shoot them up with anything, but what are they feeding them? And literally, if they're feeding them non organic crap, well,

then indeed, I'm now taking in whatever it is. And I don't know if that's all based on the hormones or the antibiotics or what, but I know that if I go for eggs, I gotta go for the more ones, which you're cleaner. It's just that simple. Yeah, And that's been a weird thing so food, And it's a weird thing to ask about the cooking because cooking kills microbes and it kills worms, you know, especially when you're talking about pork and stuff like that. Which I don't eat pork

anymore. But the thing is that if you eat pork, you definitely got to cook it well, because otherwise you're asking for worms. But other than that, I don't know if you can actually kill off the antibiotics by cooking them. I mean, it might change them. It's a good question, It's a really good question. And there's that that also raises the question if if cooking is changing the antibiotics, is it is that Is that chemical reaction

in and of itself causing the problem. I don't know. You're right, because it doesn't make Let's just say it does change it, but doesn't destroy it completely. What is the effect of eating the partially destroyed antibiotics? And has anybody done a study on that? I I asked that question all the time, Well where is the stuffy right? And most times you'll find that there's either been no study or there's some piece of data that was collected,

you know, on the side of something else. It just so happens that we collected this piece of data. But you know, take a look at the controls and everything else. You might not have a solid study being done on the question you're asking. But it's a good thing to look into. I think it's worthy of looking into. Actually we should look into what is the effect on cooking animal products that are you know, saturated with antibiotics. I think that's a fair question. Jimmy. Yeah, it's a very good

fight, and I really don't know. So before we get through with this, I'm thinking that I'll bring Chris on, unless Jimmy, you got something else you want to independently lay on the table. No. Thanks b Pete for checking up on that Dorothy Hunt thing, right, And you understood what I said about Skullnick on that though, right. I mean cause I'm fair to the guy, and I think a Skulnick as as kind of like an unsung hero in the JFK, you know, research history. But I view

everybody, you know, I never get into hero worship. I try to view everybody as objectively as possible, as honestly as possible. And Skulnick, despite some of the great, you know, advances he was able to make with limited resources, in some cases, he still made some questionable assertions that sometimes he didn't have very much to back them with. You know, here for a second, I actually have to I'm gonna have to go no problem.

I'm gonna bid everyone good evening, and it was a pleasure talking to everyone, and we will do it again soon, all right, absolutely, thanks Captain Tripps. Of course, Captain Trips joined us for two shows this week, so uh, double duty on the O'Kelly effect. No shows for a long time, then two in the same week, and hopefully we'll hear from you some more. Brother, have a good night you too, Take

care guys. By way, anyway, Jimmy, that leaves you and me, and uh, let's get Chris in on it too, okay, yep, Well, so there we go as the So I'll leave everybody on and the weenie dogs might chime in, but let's get our last words in for the week unless somebody else happens to join us. Last minute three one nine five two seven five zero one six Chris, you got anything you want to

toss on there or talk to Jimmy about or whatever. I was hoping to catch a last minute with Captain Tripps, but well, you know, you know well that that's not gonna happen. Sorry, I didn't know he had to go, and then he just announced it as it happened, So he's actually at work on call. Yeah, he's actually at work on call, so who knows. It could have been an emergency, uh for one of the babies. He actually, you know, takes care of babies that are

uh you know, uh, in not critical condition need intensive care. That's generally his day job. So anyway, Chris, anything you want to toss in here though, No, pretty much. I hope everybody has a great week, and I appreciate your time. Uh, and I appreciate you. Jimmy James, you got a final word for the week as we have both lines open and uh just about ready to close this one out. Thanks Chris and Chuck. By any chancer, you can soon have that woman the archives

down there, the archivist. Who are we talking about? She's building up the May Brussel stuff. She calls herself the archivist. She's just on William Ramsey's podcast, one of his newer ones. Hmmm. Well, she's trying to raise money to improve the May Brussel's site to have an actual physical location and to her the archivist. She want Someone asked her who played the guitar in the first few episodes. It was called Dialogue Assassination. That was May

Brussel's son. I remember her saying that in one of the early episodes. Yeah, that's true, so that I do recall. You're correct about that because I remember, yeah, the guitar part she had her son do that. You're right, but the archive is I don't have a contact for her, but she was recently on William Ramsey. Yeah, it sounds like she's taking up the madle Okay, well, get the May Brussels stuff done and

keeps getting it. A lot of the digital stuff is, like I guess, while on its way, and they're wanting to have an actual physical place that people can go and see some of May's material instead. Well, that would be interesting. I would be all for that, So you know what, I'll get in touch with William Ramsay and see if I can get her on. I know that Lenosanek was actually running the Maybrussel dot org site for a while, and through there you used to be able to get like a

spindle of CDs with eight hundred shows. I don't know if they were in MP three format, I think they were, but the eight hundred or so shows you could get on CD through that organization at one point, But I don't know who's been in charge of it, who's run it. I haven't gotten myself a spindle of those seas. I don't even know how much it would cost today. Probably somebody could stick it on a thumb drive and do it for twenty bucks if they wanted to. But you know I would.

I would be more than happy to get myself a copy of her radio shows, the eight hundred or so that were on MP three format that were available out there. Matter of fact, when I was on ucy dot tv, uh, the owner of that network had the the archive shows and late at night, in the middle of the night, you got h May Brussel replays and Bill Cooper replays. Yeah. Now was that a UH station, Chuck, No, no, no, it was an online thing. It was ucy dot tv, like instead of a dot net or a dot com.

Yeah, you know they have the dot tv addresses instead of dot com. Yeah kind of. Yeah. Well initially, initially, yeah, initially Ucy was supposed to be UH for video podcasting, but it was so expensive to

host it. Uh, they went with the audio and they wound up running an audio radio network, and I was That was the first place that I was broadcast live and there were others on there, a whole bunch of other hosts, and late at night when nobody wanted to do a show, at two, three, four in the morning, they had May Brussel and Bill Cooper replay, so you get like the ancient mystery series from Bill Cooper and then it would switch over to you know, May Brussel, and she had

the owner of that network had the entire Brussel Archive that she would get you know, old shows from and replay them on there. I used to listen to that late at night. And to my understanding, there's a couple of a media networks out there still, you know, struggling out there that that might still do the same thing, but I haven't run across them personally because I might become a regular listener to that network. Yeah, she said that.

She they're like gonna do a new like do an update of old shows, like you know update that was doing information. So they're pretty uh and ambitious in their in their goals. I mean it's quite uh. Well, if you look at the William Ramsey podcast with the archives, well, I'll just write to William Ramsey. I'll just you know, I actually I actually have a friendly contact with William, so I could write to him at any time. He's always been happy to pass along contacts, and I've done the

same for him. Uh, him and I have shared I don't know if you ever noticed, but occasionally you'll see a guest pop up between us similar on occasion. Yeah, because I'm at least friendly with William and him and I used to be on what was it Awake Radio together. Uh. They were one of the ones that would simulcast this show and yeah Awake, Yeah, Awake Radio. It was called dude, you're about my age? You

do you remember on Sundays? How Originally when we were kids in the afternoons, they started out playing cowboy movies and then they switched to karate movies because karate was popular. But then right before like Senior Citizen Golf and all that garbage. There was like a few years there were on my UHF channel, we had some really interesting that's when the good shows were on, like those alternative guys that used to sit around the table, remember, yeah, these

guys remember them? Yeah? Actually, I remember a lot of good stuff on independent UHF channels, you know, because I was in New York, New Jersey, so we had a lot of broadcast outlets, and there there was a bunch of great UHF channels. One of them was just U sixty eight and they used to do music videos late at night, back when MTV stopped doing music video. I thought that was great. But they also had these weird independent shows that were always short lived. It was sort of like

a step up from your local cable access some of them. And occasionally there were UHF channels that are pretty much like they are today, you know, like the uh the me TV and you know, just just running old reruns of shows like right now, you could probably turn on one of those channels and get a Gilligan's Island or Star Trek episode from the sixties or yeah, good, it turns out UHF one, because that's pretty much with digital TV is UHF. Yeah. But they took away all their signals uh the Yeah,

they confiscated all those signals. They confiscated that in the CB signals, uh the CD bands and now that's all occupied. Yeah. I don't see why they couldn't have kept simultaneously broadcasting. It went't a cost of them anything, No, But again, you're also old enough Jimmy James to remember the days when CB broadcasts occasionally could literally bleed over your TV channel, you know, for those of us that couldn't afford cable and we're still dealing with broadcast

in the eighties. And you know, guess what. You'd be sitting there watching, you know, All in the Family or something, you know, rerun the Ball in the Family or a news show at whatever, the news even, and all of a sudden a CB voice would break in and you'd hear some crazy distorted echoed, you know, coming up on ninety five and there's all kinds of Messa role and it would bleed over and literally take over your TV broadcast. You remember that, Oh my friend, my friend was

swearing he was being tormented by a demon. I figured out what it was. It's just a tackle bell, you know, they're ordering thing was going through to where he was hearing it on his radios to TV and crap, Yeah, they're wireless close to their wireless band. Was probably too close to the band. Yeah that happened. You know what when else that happened is in the days of when everybody had those you know, when everybody still had a house phone. Is the uh the antenna's right, remember the phones with

the giant antenna on them. They literally had to like pull out the antenna like it was on a radio and you could use your cordless phone. Well those were great, but here's the problem. Uh, if you and your neighbors had you know, similar motorolas, or maybe you had a radio, uh that was made by the same company, you could sometimes tune in and

listen to their phone conversations because of the way it was. And they had that problem with baby monitors too, the wireless baby monitors, where you know, there were people figuring out how to listen to their neighbors and yeah, that's because of ours is yeah, the radio frequencies, right. So but the thing is is that some of the were so similar that if you had a you know, a cheap ass crystal, it might have been picking up

frequencies it wasn't supposed to. And that was the other fun thing is you'd go to radio shack and build you know, a radio with a crystal and everything, and if you tweaked it a little bit, you could pick up all kinds of signals that they told you you weren't supposed to be able to pick up, you know, like I accidentally the crypto. Yeah, we could pick up like the nine one one calls some crap. Well, you

could pick up all kinds of things. At one point, I had a radio that was just a regular AMFM radio, but because I literally replaced it with one of those radio shack crystals, I put that thing in there with one of those you know, build your own radio kits. I put that into the radio and rewired the speakers, and the next thing I knew is I could listen to TV broadcasts on my radio. And it was totally accidental. I have no idea why it worked. And I was getting better reception

on my radio for the news and stuff at night or whatever. Then I was on my regular TV and uh yeah, really good. And some cable broadcast, like some things that people thought were only available on cable actually were open air broadcasts as well, like Nickelodeon and USA Network, which is where I first saw the kung Fu movies. All day Sunday was, you know, it would be like for five six hours they'd have, you know,

the badly dubbed kung Fu movies that would happen on USA Network. Yeah, and every one of them would be named Bruce Leeve, but not a single one of them was the real Bruce Sleeve. It would always make me mad. I'd always go, you damn liars. Oh, that drove me crazy because it would be in this like weird perspective that was distorted, and like you know, they would either be really tall and skinny or short and fat one way or the other because nobody could figure out how to fix the pal

to uh, you know whatever are our thing? Uh? And it was funny because I had a kid one time trying to explain to me, no, that's Bruce Lae. See there's Bruce Lae and there's Bruce Lee. And I'm like dumbass when they say, oh, I, that's a way to spell Bruce Lee. They're trying to tell you it's Bruce Lee. And look at the guy that ain't Bruce Lee. What's that question? I'm not kind of somewhat on topic, did either of you? Am I the only one that grew up with a scrambled spice channel? Uh? Well, I didn't

have spice. Spice came in later, but I remember scrambled channel. Well do you remember when those scrambled channels? Yes, I remember the scrambled channels, and I remember if you played with. If you had the old box with the little switch and the dial, you could play with it, and you could get it in and black and white. If you just just tweak it enough, you could watch a lot of those page channels in black and white if you met with the little tuner you aren't supposed to. Yeah that

too. I mean, I'm thirty seven, so you guys have a few ears on me. So yeah. Well, well, if you want to look up something that's really interesting on scramble channels. And one of the most famous incidents, and one of my favorite incidents in media history, is the guy who turned around and hijacked the HBO signal for a little while called himself Captain Midnight. It's hilarious. There's some really good YouTube videos on it.

Maybe I'll find one right before I sign off here, because that reminds me of the old days of broadcast versus cable. And you know, there was a time when everything wasn't digital necessarily, although there was lots of satellite signals roaming around, and if you knew the right equipment to buy and everything, you didn't have to pay these pirates all this money per month. You know,

you just knew. You just had to know where to point your dish and the right frequencies for a couple of things, and you could get a lot of free and infotainment, information and entertainment all you wanted, you know. Captain Midnight, though, hijacked it and was pissed off that they were going to charge I think ten bucks HBO a month, But back in the

eighties ten bucks was ten bucks, you know. So I go a little further back maybe, but the Spice channel I remember was like the softcore porn channel that came out when I was a little older and had much better ways to go get porn outside of trying to play with Spice, So but I

do remember it the original porn. Yeah, unless you're lucky enough to find the magazine land on the side of the road, you know, Nah, little a little fake ID or a hookup at the local video store, and I could bring home anything I wanted, you know what I mean, you know, or the one guy who was from I don't know what country to this day he was from, and believe me, if you were there, you couldn't identify it either, But but he was some foreign dude, and

one day I brought him a bottle of vodka, and that got me the introduction into the secret video closet that he rented to only special customers. Because I brought him a bottle of vodka. And I'm serious, I have no idea what country he was from. He had kind of a tan, looked like a white guy, sounded like an Arab, and I have no clue where he was from. I think he wasn't supposed to drink that vodka either.

I think if his wife caught him with the vodka, shed get him in trouble with his I don't know his parents, his religion, something, But either way, because I brought him a bottle of vodka and I was like, I don't know, sixteen seventeen, that got me the secret key. You know, I could go into the special video closet where they kept the real Porto hidden, you know, in the family video store. So you know, God bless the days of a Palmer video in the independent video

store. Yeah. I can't believe they're all gone. Yeah, Well, before Blockbusters seemed like it was going to last forever, didn't it. Jimmy James, Oh it really did. I mean I remember even the last commercial they put out with those stupid gerbils some stuff. We're so big and awesome, and then like a week later they were like, gone, Yeah, they tried to compete briefly with uh with Netflix, right, and even we're trying to do the whole you know. That's back when Netflix would mail you

a DVD, no kidding. I don't know if people remember that, but that was a day. What's that? I said? That was a That was the time parod of which I dropped cable right because one of the one of the lgs in the cable cutting there. Yeah, I subscribed to Netflix back in the yeah, the melon DVD days. Yeah, but I love Netflix at a certain point because they had like every movie, and then when they came up with the online streaming, it was all over for these big

giant Blockbuster locations, you know. And Blockbuster tried to be Netflix for a minute, and yet now they're all gone. I'm gonna drop a link to the Captain Midnight incident in the chatroom at ochelli dot com. But he literally hijacked the HBO signal during some bad movie one night, late night on the East Coast and put up this test pattern that what does it actually read. Let me say, actually, an image pops up in the thumbnail, so

let me see what it says when it pops up. It says good evening HBO from Captain Midnight twelve ninety five a month, no Way Showtime Movie Channel, Beware. And it's one of those big, old, colorful what they used to call test patterns that they would run in the middle of the night when TV went off the air, you know, at a certain time. Anyway, with all that being said, here's what I'm gonna say, drop something into the tipbucket at ochelly dot com. Chip in if you want to

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