The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and listeners like you, yeah yeah, and in our media, Jack looks like it's April sixteenth of twenty and twenty four, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar. This the o'celly effect, And you probably not listening to it live, but I am broadcasting live and we are also podcast afterwards on your various podcasters djore. So it is what it is, it was what it was,
and it's gonna be what it's gonna be. I've had a lot of difficulties over the past couple of weeks trying to get steady live shows out. I've invited people who didn't show up. I had other issues, Internet issues. It just seemed like the universe was conspiring against me, except somehow I made it for Friday nights and was able to do the open call in shows.
Anyway. I invited two friends to join me tonight, and if you're a regular listener or a longtime listener in the show, you'll know who these guys are. But let's get to it. Regular Joe is with me. Why do I call him regular Joe, Well, because he's pretty regular. He's a regular guy and usually somehow with a completely different accent, shares very similar opinions to my own, except that he disconnects from the news more often than
I do. And who else do we have with us? Captain Tripps, the guy that I have talked about because he does work in the medical industry, and we don't don't We don't discuss exactly what he does usually, although I think it's been brought up a few times, And whenever we want to discuss medical stuff, there's my consultant, there's my friend, because he's got sanity when it comes to this. He's not just a you know, regularly
programmed doctor who shows up and says, stick to the schedule. You need to be on the schedule, and you must do what you're told because this is what the AMA told me to do and all that kind of good stuff. Anyway, probably the only medical professional who actually trust on the show, and one of the guys that I really wish I could hang out with, except he lives in Kentucky. So let's start in Kentucky where there was a storm that blew through recently, but I don't know if it touched him.
Regular Joe, how you doing man. Oh, you know, the same old, same old, regular as can be. But no, I didn't get hit with any storms. This place is kind of a geographical oddity, well meteorology meteorological oddity as it were. It seems like any bad storms that roll through, they kind of dissipate to the west of me and then regain strength to the east of me. Okay, yeah, you gotta be giveful
with those multi syllabic phrases because they get a little trippy meteorological Wow. Hey, look, that's tough for a guy from Jersey too, so don't worry about it. But no problems there. But I did see storms in Kentucky. I saw I was sure was in the news. But we're not going to pay attention to too much of the news. I do want to talk about the global condition, which unfortunately is going to have to have his touch on news before we're done. But let's also say hi to Captain Trips.
How you doing tonight, my friend? Oh, I'm doing just fine, doing just fine, gentlemen. We had we had a nice we had a nice run of storms come through here last week. One of my colleagues that it's tornado touchdown in our backyard. M uh yeah, hey, how look, we all know, we have known when you've called in or been part of the show that you now reside in what you called the Santa stan in
Florida. There I do quick question, are you anywhere near this horrific horrendous Uh seems like sheriff's deputies are involved in the shooting, carjacking and then burning up of a car and a woman in Florida over the weekend. Or no, now I think that was that's not your neighbors. No, it's not. I saw hold on, let me look because I saw a quick piece on the story. It wasn't around me. Uh, I'm sorry, Yes, yes, this was. It was a Hispanic woman, correct, is
that? Yes? Yeah? Yeah, Homestead, No, this was, oh god, homestead. Now this is South Florida, south and south South Florida kind of inland if you all remember Hurricane Andrew. But that's that's where that's the Seminole County. So yeah, we're down by the Everglades. Well, I have noticed that since you've been down there, you're using words like you all now a little more often, so I know that things are affecting
you. But I always ask everybody when they're local to something, or at least it's in their state if they're anywhere nearby, because it usually provides a different perspective. I'm asking Joe about, you know, storms and tornadoes and
hurricanes. I'm asking you about carjackings. But you know that this has no reflection on Kentucky or Florida per se, because, after all, people think that nobody has guns in California, but apparently they do because over the weekend there was a three hour shooting spree in uh Let's see what what is that Marina del Rey in an apartment complex. This guy went berserk with all kinds of automatic weapons and was shooting up a whole complex for three hours in California.
So you know, things happen that one gun control states. Well, you know, just because there's gun control in the state doesn't mean that somebody doesn't get a hold of a weapon and go crazy. So I don't know. Look, look how states Chicago is, Well, yeah, there you go, Illinois, right, Illinois, Hey, my my old my old, my old home, the home area, d C, the DC area, They DC and Maryland very strict gun control. And I still get some of the headlines from uh I still get headlines out of there, and it's
gotten crazy in the last couple of years since I've left. And in my in my defense, in my defense, my defense, I was not part of any shooting. I just want to say that for the record. Yeah, you know that's true, in my in my defense of the use of the term, y'all, I ticked that up when I lived in North Carolina about twenty years ago. And actually I've lived the better over half of my
life south of the Mason Dixon Line. To be honest with you, DC, it's not really the south, but it is south of the Mason Dixon Line. Okay, hey, fair enough, But d C. You know, were you living there at the time of the d C sniper and all that too. I wasn't. I was back in Pennsylvania at the time, okay, But but where I lived, I wasn't. I wasn't far. In fact, I I would still I was still going to the I was in that area quite a bit at the time, but not during the whole
sniper incident. But but I I remember it remember it quite well. Yeah, no, it was. It was the craziest thing, and I remember the weirdest part of it. Was the reaction when the guys were arrested, because everybody in the world swore up and down it had to be a white guy who did this, and uh, and it turned out it was not, you know, according to law enforcement. Allegedly, I should say, because even though he was convicted, was it to Lee Boy Malvow and John
Mohammad he called himself whatever. Yeah, but you know, in recent years I kind of revisited this story a little bit. It's been a long time, but that dude himself had a military history, and I want to say, if if I'm not mistaken, it was military intelligence, not the kid, but the older of the two. Yeah. Well, you know, see that's the other funny parties. You're not allowed to say this out loud usually, but I mean, there's a pretty good history of guys who make
spectacular, you know, shooting events happen. A lot of them do have some military connection. I'm not saying the majority or anything like that, but you know, going all the way back to the guy with the Texas clock tower deal in the sixties who said, you know, please, somebody examined my brain and shot himself in the heart, right, that guy going all
the way back to there. But I mean a lot of guys, And look, we've talked about PTSD extensively on this show, and you know, if you don't treat people properly, could lead to things like this, just saying. But look, I'm not making excuses for any shooter and we're not talking about shooters tonight either, although we are talking about shots being fired because I don't know about you, guys, but let's let's get into this. See what it is that you've heard and what it is you know regarding UH
the the circumstances, gentlemen. Yes, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stay I'm gonna. I'm sorry. I don't mean you know if I'm gonna stay connected, but me, I have to, I have to step out. Okay, you do your thing and I'll talk to regular Joe. Uh So, Joe, are you aware that there's something happening in the Middle East since October? And are you aware of the most recent developments. Let's just say no, vaguely at best. I have been very unplugged from uh parent events other
than unless it's local I see. Okay, Well, first of all, they're okay in October October seventh, in fact, there was this invasion of people from Palestine crossing over into the territorial Israel and attacking it, and this was, you know, the major terrorist attack all that, and it sparked a serious response from Israel, where they have been pounding the hell out of
well what is Palestine Gaza mainly for months now. This has been going on, a lot of people have died, There are all sorts of things happening. The MSM immediately responding with, of course, defend Israel, defend Israel. And now things are turning a bit. Seems like there's a lot of support Palestine sentimentality out there on the left, et cetera, because there are serious things happening here where a lot of civilians are being killed, being starved
out, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But recent events have Iran getting involved, allegedly sending drone strikes into Israel directly. Now Israel is going to respond, and there's been a lot of speculation about that. And as I'm just telling you the very very very empty, no details version of this story, do you have any thoughts related to this? Does this make you think anything, turn your mind to anything, or have you imagining what
might come next. I'm always worried when Persia is involved since ancient times, is why I refer to it as you know, his ancient term. I'm always worried when they're involved. Also when you hear of alliances in that region. That has caused for concern as well, and mainly to me, because most of the world's people consider those lands holy, and people lose their shit overthinks that they consider holy and desecrate it worse than they ever could if they
didn't, you know, claim or feign to observe it. Now, do you think that this is based and I'm asking you this question open, honest, I'm not trying to load it too much. Do you think that this is based only on the concept of biblical prophecy and the idea that you know, at some point the apocalypse, the armageddon, if you will. I mean most scholars say it begins at Megido, but I mean some part of
that world out there in the Middle East. That's where all of the mass destruction is supposed to begin, like when the world ends, or when the rapture happens, or when the great reckoning occurs on the planet, et cetera. You think it's all steeped in that Judeo Christian teaching or is there something more to it? Not to me. To me, it's more crowd mentality than anything. And the crowd mentality is that land is holy. So whether
Prophecy says it is or says it isn't. If people think it's holy, they'll kill everybody because of it. Ah, So you're looking at the moment. They may indeed be incited by what it is I'm sighting, but that's not your thought process. Your thought process is because it is venerated as a holy area and something to be contended. You know, there's a difference when you're fighting for land, you're fighting for money, you're fighting for oil,
and you're actually fighting on God's side one way or another. There's a big difference. So when you think it's connected to the kingdom or to God or the gods or whatever, this kind of creates a different motivator. Which is even more intense. Is that where you're going with this. Absolutely the more you can stoke people's emotion on it. And I don't I think that even politics pails and compare to religion. If you stoke their emotion on their core
beliefs, then you'll burn the world right. Well, at this point, though, I mean in America anyway, it seems like emotionally there's no difference any longer. Where I mean there is a practical religion to this. You're either with the evil ones or you're against the evil ones. And that is the way religion lays it out right. You're either on the side of God or you're not. You're either on the side of right or you're not.
And there's no gray, there's just one side or the other. You know, you speak in absolutes like a sith according to Star Wars, and that's just the way it is. Now, what's fascinating to me is that you bring up Persia, and of course, yes, geographically part of that area was Persia. But when you take a look at it, and you take a look at the ethnicity of people, and even those that want to claim
that this is very you know, prophetic and everything else. The people that are in Iran, they're not speaking Arabic, and I don't think they're by genealogical connection. They speak Farsi, I believe, or at least for the Arcia largely Farsi. I think they speak other languages as well that I think that the Yeah, I think the langua franca as it were, is Sparsi. Yeah, it's it's farc like pretty much we speak English in the United States, but then again you go to some places and you might have to
speak Spanish. It's just the way it is. But generally speaking, you would say you speak English and American English. In America. I think they speak Farsi over there. And ethnically, I don't believe that they're actually, you know, Persians or Arabs or the ancestors of you know, their ancestors
are not the Persians, although geographically they're in the right area. Now, the bones of contention that lie in that area called Israel is yet another story, and some people in America feel directly connected to it, because, after all, it is part of the Biblical land, you know, jes in Bethlehem and all that, which, of course Bethlehem is in part of what we call Palestine today, and that's the way it is, so of course
excellent. So the fascinating part to me is whether this is directly connected to your emotional reaction or if it's just you're concerned about the way the rest of the world is dealing with this, because if your thoughts immediately turned to it, then you must be convinced that this is you know, like any war over there is a holy war of one type or another, and that is a different level than politics or you know, like I said, fighting over
resources, et cetera. Although, like I said, nowadays it's difficult to tell the difference. So here's the thing on my show, I'm not going to cover the opinions really tonight. We are and I'm going to go to these guys and pick their brains a little bit and get it their opinions. But as far as I'm concerned, I'm not gonna give my opinion about what it is I want to see happen, what it is I think is wrong
or right anymore. When it comes to this Middle East thing, I'm going to have to start covering it, and I'm going to cover it as objectively as possible. Now, I started to look around at some of the interesting
stories, as I always do, I'm always trying to keep informed. Happen to notice that as far as the murder rate is concerned in the US, a lot of the you know, major major US cities, the homicide rate is actually falling, believe it or not, despite the chaos in Mayhem that's being reported, the actual homicide rates are falling in most major US cities. Stuff like that. But also I'm taking a look at the very strange stew that's going on over this conflict in the Middle East. Activist Post, for
instance, Let's see, is this today's story or was this yesterday? Yesterday?
It looks like yesterday's story was a Ram's strike against Israel, a psyop, you know, an opinion piece written by Janet fal And over on Activist Post, and you have your ABC, NBC, CBS and the whole alphabet soup trying to figure out what Israel is going to do, how they're going to respond to these drone attacks that were what sent by the what they've been telling us now since October, and of course way previous to that, but
they've been stressing it since October. The greatest sponsor internationally of terrorism on the planet, Iran, decided to directly send drones at Israel in response to what's happening. But the question stands from Phalen's article here, you know, is this a syop? On one hand, is this a psychological operation. Are we getting tuned up? Are we getting prepared for the idea that global conflict
is a certainty? So with that, I'll go over to Captain Tripps and ask you, you know what are your how well read in are you on the recent events? And you know what do they ought to ramatically make you think of go to in your mind? Et cetera. And by the way, I talked to the Greek about this on a recent Rated Why episode that's only available on Patreon if you go to the Greek Speak on Patreon. Not even available on my site, o'cell and the Greek anymore. It's only over
there. But anyway, we did talk about this on a recent I think it was one o three or one oh four of Ocell and the Greek Rated Why. But his take is decidedly different than most people's. I'm curious about your take on this thus far, Captain Trips, you have any sort of opinions and how informed are you about what's happened so far? I've been following it, you know, I just as a little backstory. Hold on a
second, yeah, no problem. I mean I want to get just the general idea of what somebody who I know is concerned with global events, international politics, et cetera, geopolitics. No problem, I'm gonna I'm gonna step away. I'll be back in probably about five minutes and I will give my opinion. No problem, I'll be back. I'll get to you when you get back. So, Joe, let's go back to you again. Then you know the idea about the sye of the psychological operation. Do you have
any opinion as to whether you feel like we're sort of being prepared? Is this the pre Is this the pre show, the pregame show for what's going to be a larger conflict? I mean, is this something that's all going to be timed for the twenty twenty four selection, which now is only what let's see, if we count it up seven months away, we're gonna be dealing with this in November, right, So I mean, what do you
think is this, you know, a psychological operation to prepare us? Or do you think this is, you know, something that's just bound to have happened again? Kind of fits with the Greek's predictions though for twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five. If you think about a leading up to conflict going on over there this time, it'll actually be real. It does seem a
lot more extreme. So any thoughts, even though you're not so well rideno, is that actually where he stands on it is that this one bears fruit. He didn't really go there just yet, but years ago. This is right about the target time he said things would begin. So yeah, well, whether you know, I know what he bases his on, and I cannot because clearly I have not done the work that he claims to have done
and I'm likely not to. However, again, if you just look at the people, you know, look at the people of the region, how to they feel? How far is it spreading? You know, what is what is the overall emotion? And if it's split around fifty to fifty, like most things almost always, are probably going to be pretty bad. So I look at it more as mathematical and the way that people generally behave and the way that people generally behave in mathematically that I feel like it could be
the start of something worse. Yeah, totally understand. Yeah, So let's take a look at a story printing the Associated Press yesterday, just real fast while we wait for the captain to return, and I'll get his opinion on it. And I'll just read a little bit to you from a story published on April fifteenth, Like I said, Associated Press, So let's see dear
al Bala okay Gaza strip ap that's the byeline headline there anyway. The Israeli military renewed warnings on Monday for Palestinians not to return to northern Gaza, a day after witnesses and medical officials set Israeli troops opened fire and killed five people among throngs of displaced residents trying to walk back to their homes in the devastated
area. Hundreds of thousands of Palestineans were driven from the north after Israeli force forses first launched their offensive there soon after Hamas's October seventh attack on southern Israel. In the months of fighting since, vast parts of the north have been flattened, including much of Gaza City. After months of Israeli restrictions on aid to the North, some three hundred thousand who remained there are on the brink
of famine, according to the United Nations. Still, many Palestinians have wanted to go back, saying they are sick of the conditions they endured in displacement for months. Families have been crammed into tent camps, schools, turned shelters, and homes of relatives throughout the south of the Gaza Strip. Some also fear remaining in Rafa, Gaza's southernmost town as Israel. Israel says it plans
to attack it eventually to root out Hamas. Late Monday, Defense Minister Yav Galant met with top officials to work on preparations for the Rafa invasion his office set. The international community, including the United States, have voiced strong objections to the planned offensive, saying it will endanger the estimated one point four million Palestinians sheltered in Rafa. Anyway, there's more in that story from the AP which I'm gonna post in the Ocelli chat room, along with maybe some other
references to tonight's discussion. But anyway, that is part of the condition that's going on. And indeed there have been you know, the IDF, the Israeli Defense forces have clearly fired upon medical aid, have fired upon humanitarian aid, have fired upon civilians unarmed, et cetera. And what they say is, you know, look, it's all legitimate targets because the entire region is basically at war and seeking to destroy us, So it doesn't matter who were
shooting at. We're definitely aiming at the right targets. And indeed, there has been a bit of a pushback from the international community as of late, and the Biden administration is getting crap from certain you know, wings of certain parties, et cetera. They're even debating in Congress as to how to detach the Israeli aid from other projects so that they can continue to fund that because despite their objections to funding you know, our people or our allies or potential
allies in other places. Should I even bother to mention the name of the country that Russia is still committing a constant what did they call limited military action, you know, two years plus now, pounding the hell out of all of the country, which is you know, the capital's Kiev, right, Yeah, our friends there, well, you know, they want to separate that. No more sending us money or anything else, even though we're not
directly sending money. We're sending resources over there, and there's a whole game to that. But they want to increase the aid to Israel. We need to back Israel. According to one wing of the party, whereas the other wing the one party system here with the other wing showing some objections, and some other people might be saying that there might be crimes against humanity going on, etc. Etc. And all that, and maybe this isn't justified.
But then again, a country attacked its own nine to eleven, as they said on October seven, Now are they justified all that? I don't want to get into that discussion again because it's tiresome and nobody changes their opinion or hears anything outside of their opinion about that. Let's forget about the opinion and think about where it's going to go from here. The wider conflict. We're
hearing the Biden administration state repeatedly that this does need to be contained. And I'm willing to bet a lot of people on the planet are thinking, please, don't let this completely spread and metastasize into all regions and eventually engulf a huge portion of the planet from this very small conflict that's going on and create what the third World war? Is that what we're looking for, Well, some people want a civil war, some people want the third global conflict,
et cetera, et cetera. It is what it is, like I said, it was what it was gonna be, what it's gonna be. But anyway, I mean, is this, how are you taking this, Joe? What do you think? I think it's cause for concern for sure. I mean, there are people dying, obviously in that region, and it seems like war always kills more civilians than it does soldiers. So everyone should be concerned with breakout of a global state of warfare, which we've not been
far from anyway, and kind of see it as inevitable. I mean a lot of people that think that I'm pessimistic and kind of am, but in a realistic way, you cannot let the smartest of your species split the atom and give that power to these apes that are that we call leaders. You can't. You can't do that, I mean and expect a good outcome. You know what I'm waiting for is the revision the new argument about that Iran
nuclear deal. If you remember, everybody criticized Obama for, you know, releasing the sanctions and letting Iran take back some of its money that had been frozen and taken from them in order to have an agreement where they didn't have nukes. Well, I wonder how that would look if they had nukes Iran at the moment, or perhaps they do. I mean, if I were Iran, I'll tell you this defensively, I would have been building a nuclear weapon no matter what I signed, because I happen to know that is one
way to prevent yourself, usually from being invaded. Usually reassured destruction is the way of the way. It's been my entire life. Yeah, you know, I grew up in the Reagan years when everybody was afraid of a nuclear bomb all the time. And you know, I live pretty close to Oakridge, Tennessee, and so you know, it was always just a source of anxiety for all the kids in elementary school back in the eighties, you know,
right. And I'm wondering how long it's going to take before people start talking about the possibility of that sort of warfare being loosed from this conflict.
Anyway, here's what I'm gonna do, guys. I'm gonna take a quick break and come back with regular Joe and of course Captain Tripps to keep discussing what is or is not happening, and how things might metastasize in or out of the Middle East as the Oceli effect continues here on a teesday Tuesday, that is the first broad cast day of the week anymore onochelly dot com,
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what the hell? We're back and we're live on a Tuesday. As as I said earlier, but Captain Tripps who stepped away, I didn't get your take on this yet, and I do want to hear what you have to say, because look, this is geopolitical, this is religious, this is a matter of cultural understanding as we watch this conflict, and you're saying you're keeping track of it. So I'd like to get you know, just what your ideas about this are. And also along with that, you know what
about the potential for what comes next? What are your thoughts on it? And I mean, do you take it as far as Joe does with Hey, look, you know what, you put crazy things in the hands of crazy people who might actually be in positions of leadership. Stuff could get out of hand real fast. And I wonder what anybody thinks about that nuclear deal with Iran now you know, etcetera, etcetera. So your take on this, you know, trips wherever you want to go and disagree, agree whatever
with the world. It's all you. So my take, and I'm gonna I'm gonna refrain from the religious take on it because I kind of led onto that. I led onto that on the break. I didn't realize we were off air. Well no, but for the record, but for the record, you are a Christian guy, which I don't think Joe would call himself a Christian. I don't call myself a Christian, but you are a Christian.
And generally most Christians in America, to my knowledge, are taught basically, uh, you either support Israel or you're not in support of God and has chosen people. So you're a bad guy if you don't support the nation state of Israel. That's what's being taught from the pulpits, because that's what's being that comes out of and that is not that is not all of American
Christianity. They are the loudest voices of it. And you said, you certainly see pockets of that in intersperse to to any of the American Christian denominations, but that that is typically more of an evangelical Pentecostal. A lot of Baptists will take that kind of really strong. And as I said on the break in, in my reading of the scriptures and of the Gospels and of the Bible, and I've read the Old a Book multiple times, and I you know, I'm a I'm a I'm a regular reader of the Bible.
But to me, it's a it's a complete and little bastardization of the scriptures. If you want to go. Just from a biblical point of view, Christ to himself said even I don't know the time or the date what I will return, right, So you know this all comes out of that crazy his name just go off my tongue. In the in the nineteenth century, you know, you have dispensationalism, and you know here we are, so yeah, from that perspective. And it's the funny thing about it is it's
from just from a in my opinion, from a religious perspective. It's it's completely irrational on so many fronts because you have the you have the Christian Zionists who pretend to support Israel, but if you actually look under their beliefs, they don't act. Yeah, they support Israel because they support what they claim
to support is the rebuilding of the Temple. But what they leave out of that is, in the eyes of these Christian Zionists, if the Temple is built and Christ returns unless in the in the in the evangelical and the Christian zionists uh point of view, if the Jews don't convert to Christianity, these
evangelical Christians think they're all going to Hell anyone. So it's a it's a really twisted, very twisted interpretation of the scripture right and and as far as the leadership in Israel right now, if if anyone truly believes that that Benjamin Netanyahoo is a devout Jew, he's He's not, He's a secular Jew. Half of these people are fricking atheists anyway, when you actually listen to them talk. They formed coalitions with some of the more radical religious shoes, but
even even most of the Orthodox Jews they don't support this crap. I said. There was a really interesting discussion. And now the the tom Woods had on probably about three months ago, and I cannot remember Umber the man's name, but he's an American American pastor, and he just tears this apart. I'll actually, I'll find it. I have the clip. I'll send it
to you actually. But then there was another another podcast that was listening to and I can't remember who it was, but it was an interview with with an Orthodox Jew who who from his perspective and what he teaches and what he learns in Orthodox Judaism is that when the when the Israelites were kind of swept out and scattered to the wind, so to speak, after the destruction of the second destruction of the Temple. They're not supposed to form a state there.
According to the Orthodox Jews. They are they they can be there, but to reform this this state as they as they they created it is really against even the Orthodox Jews. What's funny is, yeah, I don't have to pull that. I can't remember the exact exactly. If you if you find it, look, if you find a clip of it, by all means, send it to me. I'll include it with the show notes.
But let's take it out of that, Let's take it out of the arena arena of religiosity because to me, okay, that's what makes it so intense to some people. But let's just go with the geopolitical right. And the majority of what I'm hearing from a lot of people is that, you know, you either have to stand on one of two sides. Either you're with America's ally Israel or you're one of these radical leftists who appreciates the terrorists.
Uh, you know, and that's pretty much it, you know, and and free Palestine and stand with Palestine, and you know what, push Israel into the sea. All of that, Okay, from from the what is it from the river, to the to the ocean, whatever it is. The point is you got to stand on one side or the other because it is the heat of geopolitical reality. Right, So forget religiosity, forget about whose religion is anybody. By the way, not all Palestinians are Muslim,
although they're categorized that way. And oh, by the way, since they haven't had an elections since two thousand and seven and the majority of people that live there are either underage or were not eligible to vote back, then you got to imagine the majority of residents who were there at the beginning of this conflict didn't elect Hamas, even though Hamas was elected into office basically there in
Palestine. Right, Okay, but forget about all that. What about how this could spread metastasize and you know, become the brush fire that lights up that whole region, which could draw in a whole lot of other people. This could become the thing that you know, something like that, right, I mean, it's you know, look, it's not Yugoslavia, but it's more intense in people's minds because you know, some people are spoiling for it, much like the whole Let's go for a civil war here in America.
They want it. I think they want it until they realize what the reality that is. But but but anyway, what about that end of it? What do you think of that? I mean, are we looking at something that's really going to kick off some major here, because I mean I did not expect Iron to send it, and I think, yeah, I think we could potentially run into something state not it's things are very unstable, and I think, I think this is such a tinder box. It's I mean,
I think everything has been a tinder box. This is, you know, just one more nail in the coffin, and you know you're gonna And I'm sure, Jimmy James, I'm sure if you're listening, you can call me all the names you want. And you all know, I really have no no affection for the current presidential administration. But if some of the stuff I hear coming out is accurate, I'm starting to think that at least somewhere in this Biden administration, whether it's him or someone, there seemed to be
some cooler heads and some more rational voices that are being listened to. You know it it appears to me, you know, I think the whole I mean, first of all, let's just let's just cut through the crap. If high level American military officers were sitting in the the American embassy in Germany and fricking Spain launched a cruise missile and killed them, I think we would have responded far more irrationally than the Iranians did. So let's just call that
what it is. As far as I'm concerned, I don't agree with any of it. I'm not on anyone's side, but let's be honest, let's call a state of space. They they fire a missile into a third country, into this country's consulate, killing high level military officials, you don't expect some type of response. So, you know, let's just let the whole unprovoked in the Oh, it's it's it's unprecedented, and blah blah blah.
Give me a frickin' break, because I think we we would have turned half of Europe into ground glass if it was one of our if it was our embassy. The response is kind of interesting, and it seems like, from what I can tell, there's two schools of thought, one that it was, you know, a complete failure, but two the other the other one I guess there's three because I did read that piece that you were referring to earlier, as someone was saying, was this a scion, which you know
what? Who knows? I'm at that, I'm at that point now, was that I don't know? What was the what was the CIA director that was on on video saying that we'll know our we'll know our programs successful. The American public doesn't believe anything. Yeah, one of the Yeah, I think the I think the doomsday clock is itching ever so closely closer to midnight. I don't think that the people that are in charge in Israel are are
saying I really don't. I don't know what they hope to accomplish, because if you just look at their this six month long military campaign, if they're really worried about the survival of Israel, they're not doing themselves any favors. I mean, they have. For the first time in my life, it seems like the popular opinion in this country is, at the very least, we're not supporting Israel. But your hearing are a lot more voices of people who are calling this out. I mean, even on some even in some
of the more establishment media figures, I've heard made comments. Hell I got I was listening to Yes. Every once in a while I check out agages to see what he's saying, and I was listening to he was calling it out. So I really think they overplayed their hand. And that's not to say that I agree with the attack on October seventh, because I don't. I mean, and there's too many innocent people are dying. I don't give
it. Rats, not what religion you profess or don't profess. Well, that's the horror of it, right, And this is my objection to what's going on in Ukraine, which is that, look, I guarantee there's plenty
of innocent people that are dying. Okay, well they go to get rid of the Nazis, and okay, look, even if you're correct about all that, one guarantee that I have here is that in a military action where there is a lot of live fire, guess what, a whole lot of innocent people who were not in military uniforms, who didn't sign up, who
were not the intended targets, are going to die. If they don't die directly by being shot or bombed, they're going to die as a result of the disruption of the infrastructure, etc. It's just the way it is, and it's a guarantee when you engage in any conventional or even semi conventional warfare, which by the way, the quote is from William Casey. I said, Kolby, but I met Casey and I went and it just to make sure I had it straight, and it is. We'll know our disinformation program
is complete when everything the American public believes is false. And that was William Casey, and I think it was eighty one. He said, yeah, so that that's correct. I thought Kolby for a minute, but no, Colby's the guy who drowned on it, fishing by himself, I think. Anyway, either way, because Colby said some stuff he shouldn't have too. But Casey is the one who said that. Anyway, you just being specific
about it. Yeah, look, there's a lot to this. And by the way, are we not familiar with the idea that Iran just like they were telling us after post October seven, they're the big nation state sponsoring terrorism, right, we heard that throughout the entire w administration. They were part of the access of evil. They were exactly was going to be gone after they were part of the list that we never quite got to militarily, right, Oh, that's exactly. And you know, uh, I think there's
a lot of that there. There was, there was a lot of happy smiles on people like Lindsey Graham and Nikki Kayley and some of the other other some of the other creatures that have been been pulling for this for so long. Yeah, and and and in reference to your earlier comment, you're you're absolutely right. You know, the general population of any country is not going
to benefit from a war. And yeah, I I I don't. I I hope, I truly hope that you know, if if what Iran, if the statements that Iron has issued since all this was, we can consider this done, leave it alone. I hope that there are people that, you know, I hope there are people within the American administration that are are able to implant this. But you know, it doesn't really seem like the people running Israel right now really care what the Americans have to say at this
point. Well, I don't think they care what anybody has to say, because despite the fact that the international community has complained about some of the stuff that I pointed out earlier. Uh, you know, certain people going to trying to get food, relief and things like that, getting a gunned down or bombed. That was pointed out, you know, by other countries in other news speeds, not in America, but it has, it has been
shown to have happened. People complained about that in Israel basically said, look, it's war. It is what it is, and we're going to keep doing what we're doing. You know, It's just been the way it is. When they said, well, you're bombing too many hospitals, they say, well, they're legitimate targets because they're housing terrorists. Uh. The tunnel networks, we haven't heard about the tunnel networks anymore, have we? Uh, In the past many months, that's all gone, it seems. Did
they destroy them all? Do you think? Do you think they you know, like just I mean, I don't know if they're using that to attack me. I'm thinking what you do is, you, you know, throw some dynamite down there and render them useless and that's the end of that. Maybe they did that and therefore it's no longer a factor. I don't know. It's difficult. And that's the other thing here. As much as it seems like we're being told what's going on on the ground there, we're not
because how much news is getting out of Palestine directly. You know, everybody who reports, even if you can see these reporters, you know, I'm on the scene here, they're always in Israel. They're dependent upon IDEF spokespeople. So you're literally getting only one side of it. I mean, I'm not complaining. I'm just pointing out a fact here that you're only receiving in
the media reports from the IDF side of things. I mean, you know, look, if you want to say that Hamas is their literal opponent or Hamas spokespeople getting out there, I've seen statements from Hamas in print, but i haven't seen, you know, a person go out and go, Hi, I'm the guy from Hamas. Here's what's happening on our side. That
didn't happen. So we're only getting one side of it, and it's being filtered, and yeah, good, well, I was gonna say, and then you have the you know, you have the other things that that are painfully obvious that Hamas was a creation on some level and was funded on some level by the government of Israel. I mean, that's that's no longer even even in an arguable fact. And you know, it seems like they know
where Hamas leadership is. The leaders it seems like the the the actual leadership of Hamas is no is not in Israel, and it's not in in Gaza. I think it's an in cutter Is where most of these people are. So we can launch we can launch missiles into Syria to blow up the Iranian consulate. But you mean to tell me that the vaunted MOSAD couldn't knock these people off, if that's what they were really trying to do, or the c I A. Well, that's the other weird thing, say, it's
very weird. Well, that's the other weird thing. Because look, effectively, and I pointed this out a long time ago, when you know, Trump changed the way things are being done in Syria, and by the way, Biden has not adjusted it. Where we put the American military into a position of just you're going to guard these oil fields over here, and you're no longer going to be involved in Syria as far as you know, battling
what's going on there. They stepped aside and let the Russians go in and implement their military program and that's the way it's been until now when Israel turns around and bombs that embassy, right, So it's a weird thing going on. I mean, it seems like they might have endangered some Russian troops unless they went and called Putin and said, hey, look, you know, your guys might want to duck and cover because we're going to send in some
munitions into an area where your military is active. Unless I'm mistaken and there's no activity going on in Syria with the Russians any longer, I haven't heard much. I mean, they're clearly still there. But I but I think what you said is absolutely true. There had to have been coordination or at least communication between Russia and the United States because that was that the risk of the of US troops and Russian troops encountering each other was ridiculously high, and
it never happened. I think there was what one or two maybe you know, close encounters with aircraft or something like that, you know, where they were, it was in range of each other. Well, and one airfield, yeah, one airfield ended up put some pop marks on it that they showed on the news. And that was the big deal. Right before and like I said, Trump adjusted that and pulled US troops out of active engagements
in Syria. I mean, we weren't seeing a high body count come out of there, either on our side or the alleged enemy anyway, but there was constant skirmishes going on, and they seem to move them. And I remember that announcement. It was like, now they're just going to guard the oil fields over here in this one region of the country, and that's what the US troops jobs are going to be. And then there hasn't been a
peep since, right and the Russians were still there. And but that was right after like we had accidentally allegedly, you know, bombed a Russian airfield where you know, a couple of explosives landed on the airstrip, and like I said, they showed us, you know, a satellite photograph of this airfield with some pock marks on it from the bombs, and that was it, you know. So all I'm saying is there's a lot to be considered,
and Sentcom is definitely involved in all this. The Biden administration seems to be asking for Like you said, you don't know if it's Joe himself. I doubt it, but somebody was hired over there. It's saying, look, why don't you guys show some restraint. And thus far, despite the hullabaloo, it actually hasn't been a real extreme reaction, even the drawne strikes
that have gone. Now the Israelis have kind of rattled the saber a bit and said we are going to respond big to this, right, but the obviously the Iranians have said, hey, we had to respond to you, and here we go with the tit for tat, which eventually I think people will forget who fired the first shots in the first place if it goes far enough. Yes, And that's just the reality. This isn't about me rooting for one side or the other. I'm saying, this is the mess that
it becomes. You know, in a big, giant barroom brawl, a lot of people forget who threw the first punch because it just becomes chaos for a bit, no matter how well you try to control it. And that's the way it happens in war as well. Right, people have a memory about the first shot fired or whatever, but it's usually not accurate. I mean, even in American history we called this thing the what was it the Boston massacre or whatever, Right, and one guy died you know who was
shot during the Boston massacre a Christmas I think was killed? Right? Anyways? Yeah, so, and I'm just citing the weirdness of something that is later remembered as a massacre. Well, I guess if one person can be massacred, sure, But as far as I know, one guy got shot during a civil unrest and they call it a Boston matt Anyway, all I'm saying is that history records it one way, but it doesn't necessarily mean that
that is the way it got started. And this could be the start of something big, or it could be just a side issue and meant to just prep us for the next big thing that happens. And in that way, is it a sy op? So Okay, lots of questions will remain as we'll try and follow this. But how well are we going to be able to follow it? Is my other question? And I want to ask Joe this real fast and then probably close out with you trips. But Joe, you're still with us, right, Joe? Have we put you to sleep?
Yeah? So here's I'm so, here's the thing, Joe, Even if you wanted to get well read in on this right and you wanted to be completely informed minute by me, and you know you decided. I mean, you know you're not going to tune into one of the American news networks
for that. But let's just say you wanted to be well informed about what was going on here, keep your eye on it, because indeed, there are way too many people that are waiting for Jesus to return over there at the landing pad, or that think this is a holy war that is just and whatever. Regardless of other people's you know, ideas about how intense this needs to get to be, you might want to be informed about it. What are the chances that you could be even if you tried, Joe,
actually be informed about this. I mean, as I said, thus far we're only treated to what the IDF has to say. But what do you think about that? Could you could you even potentially get well read in and know what's actually happening minute by minute or day by day or week by week, even during what's happening in the Middle East At the moment, it seems to me that there's only one thing that you really need to watch to determine how serious the situation is, and that is is net and Yahoo in Israel
or is he out of the country. He's in the country, probably not gonna be too bad. Yet if he's out of the country, probably gonna be pretty nasty. Fair enough, very good point. And of course some people would say, well, that's the point at which they bring in the uh. You know, they they will bring in UH, the clone, the replacement, the body double UH, and the guy will still seem to be there, but the real Net and Yaho will be out of there.
I'll leave that for someone else's show. But yeah, I was gonna say. The other very interesting thing that didn't happen now, whether this is whether it didn't happen because the the the Ron's retaliation occurred on a Saturday, there wasn't too too too much of a of a of a issue with the markets and with oil oil went up, but you would have thought, and I
think someone I can't remember who who pointed this out. It wasn't me who thought this, but I said, yeah, that actually makes sense that had this happened during the week when the stock when the stock market was open and all the trading markets were open, economically, you would have probably had an
extremely big shake up, but it didn't happen. Now is that because it happened on a Saturday, there wasn't an immediate response by Israels by Monday or Sunday night over here when the when the markets started to open, people were a little a little calmer. But but what what Joe said, I totally
agree with. But that's the other thing I'm watching, and it's it's tough to sort out what we're seeing because how the price of gold we're hovering close to twenty five hundred dollars an ounce, right, you know what where is bb right now? I'm sorry to interrupt, but you know that that made me realize I don't know where he is. There's another point there was I
heard there was one. There was one story on Saturday. I saw where someone was tracking on on one of the you know, one of its flight tracking websites, a I don't know if it was the equivalent of the US Air Force one, but supposedly it was a you know, a US I'm
sorry and Israeli uh, Israeli government aircraft is supposedly hadn't it yahu? And which I thought was interesting, But then that never went anywhere it's you know, and you mentioned, you mentioned the other thing, and this, you know, to think that this is actually what's going on would would be quite
a stretch. But given given a coordination we saw, not to bring up the scandemic thing, but given the coordination we saw with all the countries around the world, when everybody in locks with the you know, exception of Sweden and a couple of US states just went along, lockstock and barrel with it, it almost makes you wonder, could all could this could this really be a sigh of because let's be honest, I don't think the Israeli government really
gives two ships about about the Israelis, let alone the Palestinians, and quite frankly, I don't think the Iranian government gives two ships about the Iranian people. So for governments to use their populations as ponds in a larger game,
to me, isn't out of the question. Now I don't have evidence for that, except you know, you know, I obviously I closely follow the the COVID story and all that it's been coming out with that, and you have more and more people speaking at now you just had that doctor from Japan the end of last week come out with a big thing about how the increased cancer rates and saying that this, you know, this m RNA stuff is
not safe. It has to be pulled off the market. Then, you know, even in this country, you know, like them or not. The only there's only been a couple of people in Congress that have been doing anything and that the two big ones were Rand Paul and Ron Johnson from Wisconsin. And Ran Paul seems to be uncovering quite a bit of interesting stuff. So I don't know. I don't think that's what's going on. I don't think this is some huge, large sye off, but I can't completely rule
it out at this point either. Well there you have it, and look, yeah, you can look to the even the British National Health people starting to ask questions. It's getting weird out there regarding the aftermath of the great vaccination right of the nation. I think there's a lot of a lot of buyers remorse here on all levels. It seems to be some buyers remorse. But here's the key, and you mentioned it, and I'm going to tell you this. You know that all hell is about to break loose in the
Middle East. You know how You know it for a certainty is when your gas price jumps an unreasonable level overnight, and when it does that for a solid week and it seems like nothing big is happening in the news, it's about to And you brought it up, and I agree with you, and that's the truth of it. And I'm just giving you a barometer, not an opinion. I'm not rooting for a side, but that's the way it is, and that's the way we're gonna end this one tonight on the o'celly
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