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have a lot on my mind today. I mean, we could talk about the death of OJ Simpson. We could talk about the reunion of No Doubt at Kelchella if you like. Uh, sometimes we get into music discussions here. We could talk about whatever's on your mind. You want to talk about how the world's about to end? Why not other things from the trumpet sphere. Whatever you like, Let's go for it. The weird video that Marjorie Taylor Green put up of her workout. Was it last week or this week?
I don't even remember. Does it matter? Is there any new dog bites from the Biden Dogs? Does Biden know where he is today? Did he make an announcement? Am I losing my mind? Is Trump complaining? What's going on with the indictments? I don't know. We could talk about any of that, although I'm kind of sick of the politics. But eh, it's not up to me. It's up to you three one nine five two seven five zero one six or send me a message charlest o'celly on Skype
and I can call you into the show. Last week, no B Pete. This week, I've got him, although he's live from a remote location in parts unknown at the moment, but with a pretty good signal. Be Pete, my co host, My brother, how you doing tonight? Uh? Oh? Did I lose him already? Let me check. B Pete appears to be there. Let's see. Could he have been called away? If you're speaking, be Pete, we're not hearing you, all right?
Well, anyway, I know I have callers probably already. We'll go and check the phone lines real quick and see if Ppete can straighten out a sound issue. I did want to give him a chance to speak first, but brother, man, we're not hearing you. I don't know if you're aware. Anyway, I'll type him a message and while I'm at it, it looks like I've got a wireless call, so let's just take it and see
what's on their mind. You are live on the air. I can't quite get through to b Pete, but I think I've got you connected, unless there's something wrong there. How you doing, I'm good. How are you tonight, sir? Doing good? Doing good? So what's on your mind? I'm just wondering what you may have heard over the years about OJ. I don't know if there's a really conspiracy when it comes to him, but
apparently people have written about it where he may have taken the fall. I don't personally believe that this is the case, but there was a theory that was going out there about how OJ may have tried to take the fall for his son. I don't know if that holds any kind of water. And the other thing I wanted to know is if you think that if the Bronco chase went on a little bit longer, if OJ may have actually taken himself out in the back of the Bronco, or if things would have just one
exactly as history went down. Well in conspiracy culture, I might be a weirdo because I was asked about this the other day on somebody Else's podcast, and you know what, We're not on AM and FM anymore. And I'm usually very polite during my regular shows, but what the hell this is a loose thing on Fridays, I said bluntly. I mean, I pretty much
figure OJ did that shit. I mean that was pretty much him not saying that it's a clear It's never a clear cut case when it comes to a murder that is a crime of passion, that usually has you know, twisted motivations, and there's lots of wild background to it. Nothing is ever a crystal clear except one thing. Almost always, you know, it's usually if there's a woman killed, almost always it's the boyfriend, the ex boyfriend,
the husband, the ex husband. Sometimes the cops go after a guy like that unfairly, but that's because nine times out of ten that's who does it. Either a guy who was with her and lost her, a guy who is whe her wants to get rid of her, or a guy that always wanted to be with her or never could get her. Quite often that's who a woman gets killed by. So that explains Nicole. But but Oj,
I don't know, it's it's it's weird. I have friends even that you know, think that this is much about OJ's son, probably having done it for different reasons. Uh, what's that kid's name? Sidney? Maybe? I think? Is that the kid's name? No, Sidney, Oh, Sidney's the daughter. Okay, who is the son? What's the son's name? B Pete? Now, by the way, we have B Pete back on the line. I don't know what was going on with the sound there, but pe Pete. Who is what is the Uh? I I forget
oj son's name, But Sidney is the daughter. What is his son's name? Hold on looking it up right now? Yeah, let's look that up because you know, yeah, Sidney was the order with Nicole Brown, Right, Okay, that makes sense. Justin Justin was the small child at the time of the murder. That he was just he was younger than than the daughter. The other one's name. Oh god, let's see. He had
five kids. He had Let's see, Wow, I did not really, I mean, something registers weird to me that he had five kids even. Uh, but okay, I believe it well to be fair. He also wrote a book called If I Did It? So we we got to take the consideration Oh yeah, I was getting to that because that that's the most entertaining part of this is the whole you know, if I did it book right. And also he was you know, found liable in the wrongful death
suit. But again, a wrongful death suit does not have the same standard of evidence required to convict somebody as a criminal case, et cetera, et cetera. But I mean, realistically, I watched a lot of that trial, and I find it hard to believe that, you know, that anybody else would have could have done it. I mean, there's some weird stuff there. And here's the sad part too, is that the LAPD, you know, being corrupt planting evidence also one hundred percent believable. It's not like,
you know, oh, how dare you impute the LAPD. I'm somebody who figures, you know, if you got corruption or the moment that you're telling me the l A p D is primarily involved in an investigation, I immediately leaped to suspicion, uh just by default. And uh, well, Mark Mark Firman, Mark Furrman didn't really do him so justice he testified either, Well Furman wasn't helpful. But I mean he's not even the worst part
of it, really. I mean, to me, the track record of the LAPD is way worse than the one guy saying the N word, you know, I mean, it's just exactly I mean, you know, just RFK. What else do you want me tell you? RFK? You know what I mean? Uh? Yeah, So it looks like Jason Justin are the two boys? Is that right? Jason and Justin? Yeah, Jason. Jason is the oldest one. That's the OJ had him with his first wife, and Justin is younger than Sidney, who he had with Nicrol Brown
Simpson Arnell. Yeah, yeah, Arnell was his other daughter from his first marriage. So Jason is the one. He was working as a chef at the time, had been working at one of this one restaurant for like two years. But it's my understanding that what all this came out, somebody checked Jason's alibi, and I thought that his alibi he was accounted for, so
putting him at the murder scene would be kind of tough. There's that, and then there's also the problem with I think it's Jeez, which one of the medical examiners that I've seen, the medical examiner, you know what I saw this medical examiner give a presentation at the WET conference in two thousand and three, and why am I having trouble remembering which Asian forensic examiner he was?
But he was involved in this. He turns around and says, oh, this looks like bloody footprints, and the bloody footprints don't make sense if you're thinking it's OJ because he was looking at no, no, no, no, no, an Asian guy. Yeah, Henry Lee. There you go. It's Henry Lee and his weird assertions off. But looking at the photographs, you know, kind of knocked me backwards. Now, Henry Lee made some weird assertions about the JFK case, but then admittedly had to say,
look, all I got was copies of copies of stuff. So I don't know what to tell you. But he was part of the part of one of the review board projects to take a second look at the forensic evidence, and he's looking at copies of copies of stuff. They didn't I don't even think they brought him in to see the you know, the official autopsy records at the National Archives. And that was another weird episode. And that's
what he was presenting on at the WET conference. In two thousand and three, is that he was talking about, Well, what I looked at it looked like this, it looked like that. And I had a hell of a time understanding what Henry Lee was talking about. Quite honestly, his English is broken. I mean, I'm not saying that he's stupid or anything, but he makes some pretty odd assertions regarding some of this forensic evidence that he gets a look at. And usually he's only looking at the photos, the
secondhand stuff. He never, you know, whenever you see him taking a second look at stuff, it's always weird. And he's one of the guys that people that believe that there was something else going on outside of OJ being guilty. He's one of the primary guys that people bring up, Hey, this guy said that there's at least like two people trapesing through the blood or something like that. I mean, it's a whole twisted story, obviously.
And I gotta tell you what Chuck did. Did he bring up the idea that there was another a knife found at the in the cement or something in the foundation like out the years after the back, because I think that's now fun that conspiracy. Now what happened there was they were doing some construction. Somebody was doing some landscaping or something. I think it was the yard next door, but it was within a few feet of the property or something.
Anyway, they found a knife while they were doing this landscaping. They sent it in the friendsy guys looked at it and said, no, this isn't the knife that did it. The case for the knife that OJ bought right before he left to go out of town. They never found the knife, but they found the box for the knife, and they say that based on that model a knife, it fits the wounds. So you know this, there's a guy named Deal, an investigator name. I think it's Ron Deal.
He's the one that's pushing this theory that it was probably OJ's son and OJ was just covering it for him. But it was kind of hard to explain the cut on his finger and all, and supposedly that happened by dropping glass in a hotel room sink crap. You know, I think that personally, I think the guy did it. He got away with it. And in fact, I heard an article a day on the radio where they said that gil Garcetti as the DA had had pushed one for change of venue because
he knew in Brentwood it'd be all white people sitting on a jury. So that's why he asked to have the venue changed to LA because he knew downtown LA he was going to be pulling from a jury of blacks. And there was a couple of other things he did when it came to the trial and processing and things like that. It was basically trying to help OJ out. You know, they wanted to put him on trial, but he's famous, he's rich, he knows everybody in LA, he's connected. He didn't think
his chances that convicting him were that good. So I think he just tried to minimize his effort and move the trial to LA where he had an all black Jerry to pick from. Right, And I know people were still getting over the Rodney King crap when this took place. Well true, but I know I'm a weirdo and all that, right, And so you know, my barometer on the social standing of people and popularity and stuff usually don't go by me when it comes to you know, what's popular, what makes sense
in modern or popular culture, because I'm usually like not in step. But it's strange to me because to me, OJ was famous, you know, fifteen years before this happened. He was a big name then and was no longer a big name. I mean to me, oj was like a C level, B level celebrity at best when this happened. He's a coach in the Naked Gun movie, right, I mean, you're you're in the Naked Gun movies. Okay, name me three other actors outside of you know,
the main guy from the Naked Gun. Most people can't, except they'll tell you that, you know, Priscilla Presley was in on it or whatever. But I mean, look, you you probably couldn't tell me the other regulars in that movie outside of what Leslie Nielsen, who is the main guy? You know? But but but other than that, I mean, it's like that's not exactly a lister work. I mean, what was He also in The Towering Inferno a couple other things. He was in the Hurt He was
in the Hurts rent a Car commercial. Okay, so the Hurts rent a Car I mean, h okay, fine, he's the Hurts rent a car guy. He's running through airports, and he was a football announcer for a little bit. But I don't even think they let him do that regularly did they did they give him a regular job as a football announcer VP or was he just kind of an occasional like, you know, hey, we have star player former star player Ojarons a thing. He did color I think one
year for for ABC. But he was also you know, big in the you know Membory, the Battle of the Network Stars, Okay, you know the sitcom people and all that. He was connected with that for a while. Now his star had pretty much faded. He wasn't doing a lot of work. He was just living off his NFL pension and whatever residuals he was
getting from the work that he did do. Nobody was using them for advertising and that he was in fact, he was kind of I wouldn't say feeble, but at that point in his life his arthritis and his knees had really affected what he could do. Well. Yeah, that was really tough for him to even play around of golf. That's what I was hearing about. And you know, and then they also showed the pictures of like his knuckles being swollen up, and you know, which is clearly something that looks like
rumored. Look, a lot of arguments were made on all sides of this, right, But at the end of the day, help, Well, you got to realize during the trial, he's dumping salt on a lot of that that his gnarled knuckles and everything. A lot of that was just retaining water from where he'd pump up on salt for trial day. You know, yeah, maybe that jail food's kind of rough for you, but there you
go. I mean, when you're not eating partial sawdust on you on your plate, you know, if you're lucky, the bologney sandwich ain't moldy, right, But I mean, look, it's the way it is. I get it, but I just never I didn't think of oj as the big star. And that was the thing that killed me, is that, like this actually raised his level of stardom, but then he's toxic and it made all these other people's stars, like lansdo these celebrity golf tournaments and things like
that. You know, he participated in those. He might make you know, he might make five hundred bucks a weekend to show up at a golf
tournament or something like that. So yeah, but it's like for we had income, he was doing well, but he was he was kind of forgotten about to be honest, he was out of the limelight for so long that when the news broke, people are going, O J. Simpson, you gotta be kidding me, okay, right, And that's the other weird thing is like he was almost at that point like some former boxers get to where it's like, yeah, they're there to open up a casino, and you
got to go look up somewhere, ask your friend who really knows boxing, who the hell this guy is, and it's like, oh, yeah, he fought you know, Larry Holmes once in seventy eight, and it's like, oh, okay, so this guy fought for the heavyweight hit so former heavyweight contender, you know, Joe Colliglia, and you're like, who the hell is this guy? And he's there to like shake hands at a casino.
I figured OJ was at about that level in ninety four, and I was, you know, I was out there doing my musician thing, and I remember including him as a joke on the flyers that I was putting out, because we used to put like, you know, different weird clips of things and just kind of paste them to the flyers, kind of punk rock looking, and I remember it was like, here, here's a bunch of I put like Jeffrey Dahmer's face up there because it wasn't too long that guy
died, so he's dead and he killed somebody, he killed people off and I put like Charles Manson's picture up on a flyer and stuff like this, like to evoke all this weird heavy metal stuff like here's a bunch of people that were involved in killings and also OJ, and I put OJ's head on that flyer along with right, but also come to our show, you don't know. Yeah, And I remember doing that, And that was before the
trial was over. And uh, I was running a record company in New York, and I spent a lot of time sitting around in the office doing paperwork. And what did I have was the the trial on all day while I was doing that, you know, not saying that, I was like absolutely glued to it, like, oh my god, I gotta find out what's going on with OJ. But it was something, you know, consistent
to keep my routines running. And yeah, So there were a lot of people that got there, let's say their start, not their start, but like Chris Matthews, okay, he was what he worked for, tip O'Neil for years and years and years. Yeah, and suddenly when the oj say happened, Chris Matthews started his show and he was covering the trial just like everybody else. And you know, it was it was wall to wall coverage of the trial day night for the whole time that it went on. And
then Court TV really picked up about that time. Yeah, courtiers there. It boosted them into the spotlight and they've been you know, they went off the air for a while and just came back on about three years ago. Well they became court TV back up. Yeah, well because they actually transitioned into something called True TV for a while. Yeah, and now they Julie Grant who's on court TV now. She was a local newscaster in Winston Salem High Point area when I was living in Lexington, and she was on the
local news every night. And I remember when they announced this was what four years ago, that she'd be leaving and she was going back to court TV, And I thought court TV, Hell, that's been off the air for some time. It was when they resurrected it. So that was four years ago, maybe five years ago, and it gave another she left to go back to that, Yeah, and it gave another hell of a springboard to the lady with one of the weirdest heads on the talking heads of TV,
Nancy Grace. What the hell is wrong with her head? I keep asking, you know, Nancy Grace got a huge lift I think from OJ right like people were tuned into here. Definitely her post court room analysis, her big thing after the OJ. She kind of came along at the tail end of the OJ stuff. But her big thing was the Peterson trial out there in California, Oh, Lacy Peterson, when she ended up missing after the husband, big time, Scott Peterson. And then there was another case here
just a few years ago where Nancy Grace was just excoriating this guy. He ends up being found not guilty, and so her star just started plumbing in right then. You know, people were trashing her. You know you were you were talking crap about this guy for the whole length of a trial and then come to find out he's innocent. And uh so she's kind of she's shot to the top. Now she's on her way back down. I don't
know what network she's tied in with now. Uh but when I she's one of those I see her on the screen, I either cut it off or turn a channel. I just can't stand the list. And it wasn't the one who's definitely gotten too much botox. Van Sustran wasn't. She also kind of facelift. Her face pulled so tight. I bet her belly Betton is up in her cleavage. Now, Oh, it does not look right anymore. It has not looked right in a while. I mean, I'm thinking
that her pubic care is about ready to become a goateee. It was pulled so tight, man, it's it's rough. And that was bred of an Sustran. She but loot she was what program? I can't remember the program she was on when she had it done. I bet you five bucks. I saw. I thought, well, they've got a new lust. I bet you five bucks. Greta Van Susher and I thought, if she blinks, her face is gonna crack, right, But I bet you five bucks. There's some botox involved in that disaster too. I mean, I can
guarantee it. Yeah, probably to even things out. I don't you know, you'd almost have to bow talk some spots, because when you pull anything that tight, you're gonna get in irregularity in the surface. Somewhere, but it doesn't look right anymore. Like I'm not sure she can properly have full movement of her mouth any longer. I mean, it's weird. I thought, who is this light haired Asian that they hired? And then I looked at it and I thought, no, that can't be her. I mean
they had her face pulled so tight. I thought my TV screen was warped. It did appear to change your ethnicity the tightness of the facelift. This is true, yes, yeah, almost, yeah. I mean like, but she you know, and she was like not horrible looking to be getting like. She wasn't like, oh my god, please go fix your face to begin with. I mean, she wasn't a pretty lady. She was Okay, I don't understand. She didn't look that old. No, I
didn't think that she need it wasn't showing her hate or anything. And I'm thinking when she came back on with a face, and I thought, I don't know who the hell talked her into that, but they should seriously consider putting that person in jail. Yeah, you got to fire that PR person if somebody talked her into that, because you do. I couldn't believe it. She got to go. I mean, you know, you look look at all the people that back when OJ went on. I mean, it
was the trial of the century. And I remember I was working for Department of Transportation when the verdict came in, and we happened to be in the office that day and had the TV on when it came in, and just for the next month the talk and some of the things that people were saying. And I'm just going, you know, you couldn't have watched this trial if you come out with that attitude, if you if you've got that opinion
on how things went, you didn't pay attention to this thing. And I'm putting I'm putting our first caller on hold because we got a couple more and I want to get around to everybody, and I'll get back around to you
call her number one as soon as as soon as they can. But yeah, no, I wanted to hear from you on the OJ thing anyway, So he set it up nicely for us to go go for it, and we got another If you don't mind, unless you want to, you want to get into some other aspects of this, because in recent years OJ kind of became a very short lived phenomena on Twitter. And the funny thing is you notice Elon Musk even you know, before the transition to Elon Musk.
It's not like he came on with Musk, right, He was on there before Musk got it and then just had no impact after Well, like it was a big deal, Oh my god, OJ's going to be on Twitter. And he started doing short videos of like hey, I'm enjoying my golf game and like mundane stuff, and people are like, oh my god, how dare Oj be on Twitter? And I'm like, well, the guy
served his time for the one thing. He's supposed to be making payments for his you know, civil settlement, and he was acquitted on the other. I mean, it's not like you can say, oh, you know what, what is Twitter's supposed to ban him? You believe in Freeze Beach, but not for that guy because he got away with murder. Sorry, he surprised a lot of people and then he ja, like you said, he just flamed out so quick. It was like, well he's on Twitter,
but he's not doing any Yeah, nobody cared. What was all the he was all the hullabaloo about. He had his little hardcore following and he kept that all the way and as a matter of fact, only like maybe a week or two ago, or maybe it was last month, he was still posting stuff. A matter of fact, when somebody, uh said something in the media about him, I forget maybe he was they were saying he was
already on hospice because he was dying. Uh. He put out a picture of himself or a video of himself, like sitting in his car, going does this look like hospice to you? You know, like trying to say, hey, the media is always lying about me. Uh. Somebody had a story out there yesterday that the nurses and all that were hired to help him at home these last few months, they were all required to sign non
disclosure agreements. And I'm wondering if that's because, you know, in some fit of delirium where they worried he was going to blurt out that he did it, and some nurse go and sell the story to the inquirer. And but that's weird though I've never heard of that before. You're hired health help having to sign an NDA to be able to work there. But you know,
it's funny. I'm trying to still figure out after all these years what it was that made him think that the killer of his wife played golf, because you know, he said he was going to track down the killers, and the only damned place I think he's looked is on a golf course, many a golf course. So when he was breaking into a hotel room full of memorabilia that he said was stolen from him, and he ends up going
to jail over it. See, now there's a sad thing because as I looked at that case, to be honest with you, of course, you know backwards ask you know, convictions. What else is new in America? Welcome to the United States post nineteen hundred. I guess because to me that whole thing with the hotel room where they got him on the kidnapping and what was it a false imprisonment or whatever else they got him on, Yeah, kidnapping, false imprisonment, assault with a weapon, and then I think the
larceny of the goods. Yeah, to me, it looked like, honestly, the guy felt like these guys robbed him and he was going to try and get his property back and it didn't need to escalate to this point where these kind of charges got pressed. Well, all he had to do was go to the damn hotel lobby and call the police department and go, hey, these guys in room four thirty six have got my stolen property. Yeah.
Now the cops would have gotten in there. He may not have gotten anything to leave, but at least the property would have been seized as evidence and they'd have gone to court and he could have got his stuff back. Yeah. But okay, two things. One, it probably would have immediately needed to be liquidated to help satisfy the Goldman family, you know, for that verdict against him. I heard he still owes them a hundred million probably,
but his state still owes him. Well, but what's left in the estate, if there is anything left, right, I guess if there's an insurance claim, the kids will have to get enough to bury him and and that'll be that. I don't know. I don't know how that all is going to wind up panning out. But to me, honestly, there I felt like oj was wrongly convicted a way too high a level of crime in
that case. You know, on the one hand, no, if you go bust it into a hotel room with a gun and you start threatening people, I well, I think he got the sentence he got because it was OJ. Well, yeah, exactly. I think if it was somebody else who did it, it wouldn't have been necessary to prosecute him like that one
too. He just kind of grabbed another guy. I don't even know if he had the gun because that was a point of contention at one point, and I mean it was just such a crazy spur of the moment thing that it was like, you know, like I don't know, it just didn't seem to require that. But I I think somebody said, this is OJ, he got away with murder before we're gonna get him this time. I
really do feel that way about the whole Vegas thing. But he went to prison for it, served his time, came out right, I mean, you know, I served nine years. He didn't do a total time. Well, but who does, right, I mean, does anybody actually serve the entire time? Very few people. It seems like to me there's always a way to whittle it down at least a little bit, somehow good behavior something right. Look, all I'm saying is I think that in that case,
OJ was unfairly treated. But when it comes to the murder thing, I think he got away with murder, and I got friends who are like literally mad at me about this. Not happy. Matter of fact, I know there's going to be an extensive Facebook message after this discussion on the show, Like the day after this podcast comes out, I'm gonna have like multi pages in Facebook messages from a couple of guys who are like absolutely insistent on
the whole OJ Sunday it and the drug dealers. And in fact, there's one guy that tells me it's the same drug dealers who actually committed the Manson murders. You know, it's the same guys, the same cartel that's been in business in Los Angeles. That's going to be a hard argument, pull. I mean, it's when you base when you look at the test just the testimony of the limo driver, Yeah, about what went on when he pulled up, and the fact that OJ was running late. I'm sorry,
you know you can. You can argue the Mark Furman crap. You can argue the blatant racism, the systemic racism of the court system till the cows come home, which could all be true. Got cut his wife's throat and killed her boyfriend. Ye, plain and simple. But here's the thing, It could be that the LA Cops are corrupt. It could be that the LA Cops are constantly planning evidence. It could be that everybody involved was racist.
Mark Furman is certainly a race, and it still doesn't disqualify the reality that he probably just killed that woman and that dude. I mean, that's that's it. It doesn't remove it from the It's not like, because that's true the clarifier on there probably yeah. Well, but I say probably that as far as I'm certed, based on everything I looked at the years of reading and looking, he did it. It looks like that to me. But you know, I always allow for the possibility that I don't necessarily know
the whole story. I just leave that, you know that that possibility there. But if you you know, if you ask me to cast a vote, he did it, you know, put me on that jury. He did it. Okay. It's just that simple. And it's not because oh I just want to nail the black guy. Uh No, you know, although there were people that would accuse you of that, and that was very racially divisive. Anyway. Another thing about that trial, though, is that
a lot of people watch that. I mean, they would they would go home and they would watch it at night and see what went on, and they of that that's the way that most courtrooms and take care of things. And it wasn't. Oh yeah, absolutely the judge in that whole deal, he was nothing but playing to the cameras and enjoyed the popularity and the stars and the celebrities that he came in contact with. It was a circus.
Yeah, No, it was absolutely a circus. And there were brand new you know, uh, Marcia what was her name, Marcia whatever with the hair, Marshall Clark right when they did the People versus oj that that that you know, that that that miniseries. I found that thing to be hilarious, you know, because it was like all of the stuff that was going on, Like a lot of people he John travolt It was in that a
lot of people thought, oh, that's like exaggeration. I'm like, the funny part is is that as exaggerated as a lot of that stuff looks, it's not, uh, you know, it's like that is pretty much what was happening in in the nineties. There anyway, enough out of me and even enough out of you right now, be Pete, because I do want to get to brakes and everybody who calls in and get back around. Uh,
let's see who else we got on the line. I think we have mister Jimmy James on the line, who might want to give an opinion about OJ. But then again, he might want to change the subject. Of course, he died just a couple of days ago, OJ Simpson. So anybody, anybody want to give a memorial? Uh? You know, what are you doing in memoriam? A? Uh? A eulogy for OJ? Lines are open? Three one nine, five, two seven five zero one
six. You want to just come on and say, look, I know he did it, and I don't give a crap about all this other crap. You want to tell me how stupid I am that I don't believe in the conspiracy against OJ because it was time to frame OJ for some particular political reason. Whatever. Hit me up. Three one nine, five, two seven five zero one six, Jimmy James. Uh, I haven't heard from your fan club in a bit, but I'm thinking I might after we have
this discussion, depending on what you have to say. How you doing tonight, man, I'm doing all right. Why is my fan club for or against the juice? I don't remember, but I do recall that when I got the massive message from the guy who gives me all the details and keeps insisting I need to interview a guy who he is very sure was directly involved in the murder. That guy. Every time I get a message from him, because OJ comes up on the show, I am then usually messaged by
one of your fan club people about OJ as well. So I don't know what. I don't remember if they were like he's guilty or not guilty or whatever, but something gets them going, so I know i'll get a Jimmy James fan club message soon. Did they ever start that Facebook group? Does anybody know? Do you know? B Pete? Did you see the Facebook group yet? I forgot to follow up on that. Did you be? Pete? Might be talking to his mute button again, Jimmy, go ahead,
tell us what you know or if you want to change subjects. It's all up to you. Anybody. You can bring up anything as you call in tonight, So up to you, Jimmy James as usual, what's up? Well, I'm scared to piss off my cop. Now wait a minute, No problem talking about Israel, no problem talking about terrorists, no problem talking about the dirty this or that, or the filthy liberals that are destroying the cut. All of that is free reign. I can't stand this person.
I wish this one would be, you know, would go and eliminate themselves from public life. We have criminals all over the plate. You're willing to say all that, But I don't know if I should talk about OJY. That's an odd red line for you, Jimmy James. I wouldn't have expected that. Please elaborate. Yeah, I think it's best I just keep quiet on O jay A. No comment from JJ about oj Wow, couldn't have seen that one? Did anybody have that on their bingo card? All
right? With that, j Jimmy James. As usual, up to you. What do you want to talk about? Epete? Did you did you figure out that little Watergate question? I had to asked you Watergate? Was this a couple of weeks ago on the show? Yes? Because he wasn't here last week. I think this two weeks ago. I asked him. I wanted to know who gave Dorothy Hunt that money before she got on that plane that crashed. Oh right, yeah, And I have no answer for
that. I'll tell you honestly, But you did put that to be pete, didn't you if you had any idea about where the money came from and what was there. Well, I mean there's also speculation as to whether there was more money, because they did find the one package of money, right, if memory serves me, they found like one package that might have told five or ten grand. Yeah, go ahead, yeah, I think like
I think it started out one hundred and ten grand. Mm hm, that's like nixt wait mean ten grand or the hells and the rest of my money? Fire them all, I know what's going on here. Steal from the president, Well, you definitely can't steal from the corpse of the bag lady or the bagman, depending on you know, gender, I guess doesn't matter. You can't steal from the corpse of the bagman and not return it to
the guy who was, you know, bagging the money. I mean, you know, either that you either complete the delivery or return to sender you're supposed to. So you know, maybe that that's the point of Yeah. People are always saying, well, well, look all of a sudden, he fire people. We put Ego Crow in charge of the air. There you go, I said, yeah, he's primatic because there's one hundred lights
those fbid guys or whoever sworn that plane where I took that money. Oh and the Gerald Posner question you had asked a couple of weeks ago to me, you know what's funny is that, Yeah, I do remember that he's in on the Vatican conspiracy. He's about, you know, the Jesuit thing, or at least was when he was talking to people some years ago.
Now. I don't know if he's gone back into it recently. But that's a really strange one because the guy who's telling us that, you know, we're really silly human beings for, you know, believing that there could be a conspiracy related to the JFK case, wants to tell us about the ancient
Vatican. It just seems like these two things don't go together. You know, if you're for the Vatican conspiracy, I can't see how you'd object the JFK uh and vice versa entirely, right, even if you don't necessarily buy all of it, you'd figure if you're for the JFK thing or you're for the Vatican, you'd have to at least entertain the possibility of the other but oddly, Yeah, positives seem to believe at one point in the massive Vatican
conspiracy. And I don't know if that's still uh, you know something that I know, nobody's inviting them on shows to talk about it lately unless you found more material since Jimmy James, have you found any more material on that? You know? Not really. I just at the time I was listening, I heard him on a podcast discussing God was called the God's bankers God. Yeah. I just remember being so impressed m and thinking, Okay, now, how is this the same guy? Yeah, it make it,
doesn't you know. He even was talking about at one point about the whole Vatican Bank, you know, the Vatican Bank controversies, right, you know, the guy who hung himself and the guy who havesconded with money and the embezzlement and all that stuff, which which did happen. It's not a matter of you know, oh that's all conspiracy theories. Some of that stuff is just you know, publicly known fact. Now how deep it goes, how big the money really was, why people are turning up dead. Some of
that gets into the fringes, and then you're into conspiracy theory land. But you can't deny some of those realities. And the weird thing is a strange news story I think popped up today out of Italy. I don't know if you saw this already, but you know, this woman they found her drained of her blood and apparently they were part of some vampire underground group and she ends up turning up as a victim over there. And frankly, I'm not
surprised. Italy is a very strange place when it comes to stuff like this. I mean, there are some deep, dark, ancient, crazy ugly things that go on in the land that they call Italy, which wasn't even a country up until I don't know, one hundred and fifty years ago.
Quite frankly, Italy wasn't even a country actually, but the various kingdoms and city states that they brought together to form this thing they call Italy is a rather culturally deep land that goes a lot deeper than what most people are willing to talk about. And there is a lot of stranger than fiction stuff that goes on there, you know, in in conspiracy culture, but also just in the twisted and odd webs that we do weave. A human beings,
criminal stuff. I mean, yeah, there is the entirety of the different criminal groups that end up forming the mafia, and people know about that, sure, but there is a lot of deep, dark criminal stuff that originates from that territory one way or another. And you know, some people don't like it want to bring it up. But Vatican City at the center of a ton of it, and there's a lot of intrigue connected to the church and the papal industry and so on and so forth. I mean, there's
just a lot going on there one way or another. So up until there was in Italy the pope ran a lout of those kingdoms. That mean, like they actually used to collect tax and all that, right, But either that or they dispatched a cardinal to sort of oversee areas like as if there were governors. And yeah, yeah, there's there's a lot to be said about that where you know, quite frankly, the idea about kicking up the pyramid, you know, that concept that people know from you know, organized
crime, you know TV shows and movies and stuff. That concept probably originated with the Vatican. You know, eventually you got to pay up to the pope just saying it's just the way it is. The pyramid works that way with the with the Catholic Church. I'm sorry, but you know, and then people like to point to all the you know, all the kiddie diddling and all that and the moving around to priests, but I mean, talk about tip of the iceberg. I wish that was the worst part of what's
gone on. Uh. And like I said, there are some very Christian people who get very angry with me when I bring this stuff up. But
you know, it's reality. It's not all conspiracy theory. But what's strange to me is a guy like Posner who is willing to pooh pooh everybody else's conspiracy theories is in on the Jesuit thing, is in on the fringe stuff related to the Vatican, or at least was, And I don't know if he's talking about that anymore, or if you know, somebody told him, Hey, that doesn't look good when we're sending you out to a defuse JFK stuff. Maybe you shouldn't do that. I mean, especially because somebody's going
to bring up to you at some point. Kennedy was a Catholic and maybe
that's got something to do with it. And by the way, there is a school of thought out there among the Jesuit assassins theory I think they call it regarding Kennedy and how you know, it's the same group of people that's been around for you know, a couple thousand years, assassinating all sorts of leaders, and Kennedy just happened to be one of many that the Jesuits took out one way or another, you know, which again has elements of reality
in it. But I don't you know, they probably have never heard me discuss the Jesuit theory on this show, not in depth, not any more than a mention, because it doesn't carry a lot of weight with me. But what's odd again is that it kind of goes in the room direction for Gerald Posner, who should be the anti conspiracy guy at all times. So that is a weird point to bring up. Anyway, Be Pete, I don't know if we got sound with you or not. I'm gonna go check
and see if I got a message here. Oh okay, you know what, we might not have be Pete on the call right now at the moment. That's why. So sorry, Jimmy, I can't get your question answered. But I am going yeah, but because he's not on the call at the moment, he had to step away. So I'm gonna hold your question, and actually we're gonna take a break, and I'll put you on hold, Jimmy, and I'll bring you back as soon as we get back from
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show. How about that? So Jimmy, sorry, I don't have vpedback at the mic yet, but he will rejoin us before the show is over. So when he does, I'll have him answer that question about Watergate if he indeed has an answer for you. In the meantime, let's see who else we got on the line. Oh, one of them just went away as I was clicking on him, so I don't know what happened there, But you were an unidentified wireless caller. It looked like a New York area
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What's been going on lately? Not much. We haven't talked about that at all, have we No new bites from the Biden dogs, no new bytes from the Justice Department, no new trumpet sphere stuff. So far. Let's see what else could be happening. Is there any more murder in Mayhem? Oh? By the way, there are war fares going on, and the warfairs are not necessarily meant to coincide with your county fairs. But how fair is war? Not very especially not that the people get caught in the crossfire.
Right, So that's going on in a few places, How deep are we into Ukraine and that occasion? It's more than two years? But is anybody keeping track anymore? Does anybody know about the live fire incidents going on in Africa? Is anybody aware of what might or might not be happening in Europe? Oh? By the way, have you heard about recent troop movements? I have not. Is Austin the guy you know, our defense secretary? How's he doing lately? Anymore? Surgeries he's got to go to and
not tell Biden about? Or maybe he did tell Biden and Biden forgot. Anybody checked the old man's depends lately? Which old man could be? Many? Rfk Junior? How's his campaign going? I just got an email from him still explaining that he's in search of secret Service protection, although I don't think he has a valid chance at becoming a legitimate nominee anywhere. Kind of not pleased with that. But it is what it is, isn't it?
And should we even check to see what's trending on Elon Musk's private, allegedly free speech platform. I just don't know. Pete Peter, are you back with me? Yes? Excellent? Okay, so you might have missed it, but Jimmy James. I'm gonna bring him on the line first because we have two callers on hold. And Jimmy was asking a question when you had to duck away, and not like you were ducking Jimmy or anything. You
just had you were called away for something. But reality is he had a question for you a couple of weeks ago related to Watergate, and I guess I don't recall the question, but maybe we should get him on refresh the question and see if you ever got an answer to it. What do you say? Right? All right? And I tried to go into the thing about Gerald Posner and yeah, there's a weird thing that Posner was covering. Oh yeah, I did discuss that while b Pete was away, but not
all that important. I don't even need to bring you up to speed there. Oh by the way, when I went to Twitter, there's something about the New York Mets a rocket from a polar bear. I don't know what that means. Something going on. I guess I'm following the Mets on Twitter. Am I following the Mets? Yeah, I am, I'm following the New York Mets on Twitter. I'm almost surprised that I do, but still do. I guess one day I'll watch some baseball again, or maybe some
boxing. Every time I go to X by the way, I do get told what is hot as far as the live broadcast. Does anybody know what's trending? Let's see if we do. If I go to my profile, let's see if we'll just get a quick what's trending? What's hot? No, I don't have the trending thing anymore right now on the side of my Twitter feed. That's weird anyway, who cares, doesn't matter. Jimmy James
on and continue the conversation. We still got the better part of an hour left, so Jimmy, maybe you could refresh that question for b Pete and he could get to it for you. What do you say? All right? My question was does anyone is it all in history who gave Dorothy as Mount the money before she got on that plane that ferished. I don't know that they have ever found out the source of the money. Apparently she had ten thousand I think in her purse, but she had another box of money,
and I don't know if it's ever been sourced. Right. Well, I brought up the recovered amount that you know, they said they had about ten grand and Jimmy James and I speculated about maybe somebody said, yeah, go get the rest of it. But then again, maybe that's just what was allowed to be inventoried, right with the collection of the crash site, and who knows what where the rest of it went or how much the rest of it was or was the rest of it in a suitcase or was it
on another carry on? Did they buy a seat for the money bag? You know, we don't know necessarily doing no, And I mean that's been one of the long stand of mysteries of the whole thing. You know, where she got the money and exactly who was it for? Well as for where she got it, and you know, look where she got it,
Okay, that's difficult, but who was it for? I mean, I think almost anybody would agree that if she was picking up cash at that point, that was meant to help keep the Watergate burglars, you know, at least paid, whether they were in prison or they had legal bills or whatever. It was meant to, you know, keep them happy and keep their mouths shut about something larger than what they had already been. A school legal
contributions to creep the committee to re elect the president. Yeah, but see, the Hunt family would have been more into self preservation mode at this point, right, So I'm thinking, I don't know if he's you know, it's still creep business because their husband couldn't do it. Maybe maybe, But I'm thinking there also would have to be a special bag of money for the rest of the collaborators regarding Watergate. I mean, I don't know, maybe
it's just me or or was it hush money? Was it money that was going to go to those that were sitting in jail to keep them quiet? Well, yeah, that's what I mean by the payoff for the rest of the Watergate guys, is you know, keep your mouth shut. Here's the money to keep your family running while you're locked up or stuck in court or unable to do your other work because you have a media spotlight on you one
way or another. This is, you know, just to keep you set up so that you don't go ahead and spill the beans and get a payoff that way, right, or get a real prison But that at that point though, I mean, when did Dean start singing? Because the gig was up. Once Dean started squealing, it didn't matter what they did hush money wise or keeping people quiet, because you know, Dean gave him everything that they needed. I think, well, what g Gordon Lydia referred to him
as the rat? I think he called him the rat the rest of his life. Well, I don't know, because Dean couldn't have possibly given him some of the operational details because he wouldn't have been in on some things directly. Right, you're talking about his public testimony, because that's in seventy three. I think let me take a look at that. Actually, let me go, well, when did Hunt? When did when was the plane crash?
Year? Well, first, I was going to look up John Dean and exactly when his testimony went public, But let's uh, let's get a date on that though. Just go ahead, like a plane crash would have been seventy two, okay, before the hearings and all, because start that was yeah, Dean started squealing long before you know, he golfered any public testimony. He was behind the scenes. That's how they knew they they had the President Dean. He was singing like a canary. Okay, So specifically,
Dorothy Hunt's plane crashed on December eighth, nineteen seventy two. Okay, okay, Now, as far as John Dean and his public testimony, it looks like that's June of seventy three. Yeah, see, he was singing long before then. Well he was talking. But his public testimony, right, you know the thing that they put on TV, that's in June seventy
three. Now, as for when he was talking and when he was actually giving out the information and when that was hitting the newspapers, well, it's kind of hard to explain because there's stuff coming out that's not attributed to people. Was this, you know, Dean being an inside source at a certain point before public declarations came out, you know, from the different prosecutors and
this kind of stuff, or was it you know what I mean? So you got leaks from the committee, you got leaks from the White House, you got leaks, and so these leaks all over the place, and then you have other stuff happening during the impeachment hearings and what seventy four? Right, because he won the election in seventy two, and then I guess the impeachment pressure was at its heightened seventy four. I don't know, it's different.
Let's see the Watergate files. Senate hearings in February of seventy three. You see, there's February of seventy three, which is virtually right after because you know, Congress is on break in December, comes back and everybody gets sworn in again and all that in seventy three, but it's an off year, so it's not the big year for the changeover in government. But still new people are coming in in seventy three and they're just barely in the door.
And then the Senate hearings are happening in February. Yeah, you know, and that's Sam Irwin as the chairman. Yeah, Irwin's the chairman. John Deane. Okay, so Dean is testifying even back here, it says, but he testifies in March. Okay, So he testifies in March. Dean had been he'd been singing long before that. Well, yeah, they had to know what it was he was going to present in public before they made the show of bringing him out in public. So obviously his you know,
he was already deposed previously. And yeah, so it's not like they didn't have that information until he was on TV. If it's my understanding, Dean went to them and said, hey, I'm here, see why. This is what happened. Dean was worried about his own prosecution. That's the only reason he started singing, of course, because Archie Gordon Liddy brought out he said, yeah, he said when he thought that he was gonna have to catch any crap for it, that's when he started singing like a canary.
He just covers o butt and he threw everybody under the bus. Well obviously, because Nixon turns around and tells him, look, go write a report on all this stuff, and this way you'll be on the record, you know, and what he took it as is, he'll be on the record explaining everything, which means guess what, he knew it already, you know. So he tells him, why don't you go to Camp David and go write up a nice report for me? Because he was what he was
White House counsel. Wouldn't that his official job? Hey, I guess was he a special counsel to the White House or was he the lead I forget what his title was. He was Nixon's lawyer, so I don't know if he was the president's lawyer or if he was you know, he was always described as Nixon's law but I think he was the White House lawyer for the White House. I think that was his position and he wasn't about to go
down for any of them. Yeah. Well, but again I think because when Nixon told him to go ahead and write that, you know, he knew that that was like, okay, so I'm going to write down all the facts and everything, which means that I would be the guy who's most informed on this. Which, guess what. Let's see White House Special Files staff member, the man who helped bring Nixon down after water gag. John.
Let me see what his actual job title was. I almost thought it said special Let's find out, you know, let's just do the dumb thing and go to Wikipedia. Right, Yeah, he could have been special adviser, but I know he was always described as Nixon's attorney. Yeah, because he had a job with the campaign and start a watergate. Okay, he is literally called the White House counsel. Yeah met with this guy, Okay, the real and he's meeting with Creep and this and that in late March.
Okay, so Mitchell democratic Mesal was a link to cover up Yeah, okay, so he's actually described as White House Counsel in seventy two that were actually coming from John Mitchell's wife, Martha Mitchell. Well, that's a whole other story, which, by the way, there's been a couple of interesting let's see, Dean volunteered position for Richard Nixon's presidential campaign nineteen sixty eight.
The following year, he became an Associate Deputy in the Office of the United's the Attorney General of the United States, serving under Attorney General John and Mitchell, with whom he was on friendly terms in July of nineteen seventy except in an appointment to Service Counsel to the President after the previous holder of the post, Chuck Coulson, became the President's director of the Office of Public Liaison.
Okay, so yeah, that's where Coulson switches jobs with Dean. Uh and he was in on it because he was working for Mitchell, and Mitchell had to get the hell out of there because Martha that was causing all kinds of problems and yeah, yeah, so okay, but look, it's an easy thing to get confused because there was like a conveyor belt of people that started switching jobs around through the Nixon administration from sixty eight to seventy two. You
have quite a bit of a game of musical chairs going on. But meanwhile, he had responsibilities with the campaign, he had responsibilities with Mitchell and all that stuff. And meanwhile, I doubt that he was like the mastermind behind this all. But I think that was going to be the intention, like, Okay, you know what, let Dean go down for it and maybe we'll shut this off, you know, maybe we can end it at Dean. I think that was the idea. But you know, I could be
wrong about it anyway, Sorry, Jimmy. I don't think we have a definitive answer though, for but we will research that because I'm curious too. Yeah. No, but I think no matter what we do researching it, there may be a dead end there. There may be a literal dead end where it's like, yeah, ever gonna know really where the money came from or how much actually was there and everything else. I think that's gonna be one of those mysteries that you're never gonna quite get around, you know.
Uh, But that's my opinion. Do you like to talk, oh, Dean? What I have read or heard, There's been a lot of there's been people that interview Dean. He doesn't. He doesn't give a lot of interviews. But I was reading this was a few years ago that somebody had talked to him and found out that he's still changing his story to this day. Well, you know what, I would be interested. It is a possible. He's a talking head for CNN. I think he's got a permanent
job over there. But I'm wondering if there's a way to reach out. Yeah, he's they constantly bring him out. Uh okay, So John Deane, you know quite a bit about presidential scandal. Talk to us about Donald Trump. They do it all the time with him. I'm I'm wondering if I could somehow make an inquiry and see if I could get him, because I'm sure he publishes a book every now and then too. Uh see, if I could just snatch him up for a podcast interview, that would be
a good one. That would be a good one to get. I think, I don't know, I'm gonna make it out un honest, try for that. I don't think I've ever tried for John Dene. Let me try for John Dene and if I can get him on the show, Jimmy James, maybe we'll get some interesting answers, not necessarily truth out of the guy, but we'll get some answers of some kind. What do you think,
Yeah, he might know where came from. Yeah he does. Maybe he does, And maybe he's old enough that he'll slip the tongue and maybe I'll get it. What do you think that would be something? Well, I'll send Joe Is in for Chuck, no problem, Yes, send it to me. By the way, the guy from Saturday Night Live that that you wanted me to look into, no response yet. Yeah, and I left
a voicemail. I left a voicemail on a phone number, and I've sent an email already to a contact that's supposed to be in charge of his bookings. Okay, so I don't know, but we shall soon see. Okay, we be awesome. Oh no, that would be a hell of a fun interview. I'd love to talk to that guy. I think he got a raw deal. Actually, he's one of the guys that should have gotten a whole lot more out of his Saturday Night Live career than he did, and I would love to hear from him. Uh you know what I mean.
So you know, mister Morris, Yeah, I just watch thanks to him. You know, after all the last night last night looked at you. And the thing is that I always will appreciate it that him, guild Na. There's a few people. The people don't realize that we're They had the basic keep the show going off. Chevy, Chase and Murphy. They're not Murphy, but uh yeah, they all took off and at at Ackroyd and Blue Set, they were all doing movies and these were the guys that
kept things going for five years. I got one of our funniest My favorite gar I ever saw was the first time they did you know, the nightly news on Saturday Night Live, and it says, as a public service to our hearing impaired viewers, yep, that was I was going to bring up will repeat tonight's headlines and he starts screaming tonight. I died laughing when I saw that. And as far as I'm concerned, then the kids on that old zoke, oh yeah, because they put a little bubble down on the
bottom of the screen like like they from the school have depth. He's from the school and hard hearing. Yeah, he's from the New York the New York whatever Academy for the Heart of Hearing, and the little bubble comes up, and the little bubble comes up like it would for somebody who's gonna give
you a sign language. And he puts his hands around his mouth like cupping him to you know, make a like a like a megaphone out of his hands, and he goes, you know, and tonight's headlines, Tonight's headlines. He just starts screaming. That's hilarious. That's got to be one of the best. That's one of the best things, like ever to just come out of that show, right like in a short a short bit. They did it a few more times, and a family guy did something like that
the one time too. They they brought him on to do a thought bubble, uh, and it was like and and to help me explain this, we have the professor from the New York School for the Heart of Hearing, mister Garrett Morris, and he did the same thing on there, except you know, Ryan's trying to tell Meg that he's not into her so anyway, and he just starts screaming at her. I don't have feelings for you like that. He's just screaming at her, and it's hilarious. Anyways, guess
you had to be there. Maybe I can find that clip before the show's over, but we'll see what we can do. Jimmy James, further research necessary and Dorothy Hunt definitely something to look into some more. Uh, the whole Hunt saga is worthy of further examination. Although I do not buy Saint John Hunt's you know JFK conspiracy line, but you know, what are you gonna do? Saint John Hunt has some real stories to be told, and they are pretty wild about, you know, helping his father literally get rid
of evidence in the middle of the night and stuff like that. That stuff I believe, you know, and and trying to help his father write you know, some of those spy novels and things. Yeah, I believe all that. But the thing I think, at best it was hypothetical and at worst it was purposeful disinformation from a guy who made a living out of disinformation,
being his father. Uh. And again his deathbed confession not really coming on his deathbed, but still something to be examined, not because it's valid, but as a as an exposition, as a prime example of how it is you feed bs to the public and make it look legitimate enough that plenty of people will chase that red herring with that fishing pole all day long. And I don't know about you, but I don't think I've ever actually seen a red herring. But anyway, human expression, and yeah, that came
up on this week's latest Star Trek episode. But anyhow, enough out of that, let's go to our first caller, and nobody else has joined us. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six. That's the number to join us if you want to get in on this live on a Friday night. It is an open mic, so you can bring up anything you want. I also see that a brand new New World next week has just been released according to my emails, because I am looking at my emails throughout
the show, and it's about thirty five minutes after nine pm. We're going to go a little bit after ten pm tonight because from what I'm told, no age of transitions. I think Aaron's kid is off on a traveling soccer game or something this week. But don't worry. The age of transitions and Uncle the podcast will return, so we have a little extra room for o Shelly Effect tonight will go over just to make sure you get a full two hour open my experience on a Friday night, So be peap. You have
a quick question? Sure, I was just gonna ask if you had anything else to add before we go to our back to our one caller that's waiting there besides me. Yeah, quick question. I sent you that link for that YouTube video talking about doctor Burgs, who was along with Fauci, the one that was actually taking care of all these reports and everything from the CDs. And I was wondering if you got a chance to watch that. Yeah, you know what. I took a look at that, and then I
got sidetracked by another video that popped up on the side of it. But I mean, do you want me to play some of that tonight or well no, I was just wondering if that's me something that we could possibly get into on another show on some of the stuff that has been coming out since
the pandemic hit and some of the responsibilities. You know, a lot of people put all the blame on Fauci for some of the stuff that went on, but yet you had this lady sitting there writing reports and policy and was really the one that was pushing for the school closures and other things that went on. And basically, I mean they said that, you know, they were just pulling this stuff out of their butt. I mean, there was no rhyme or reason for them doing it other than they felt like, well,
that's the best thing we can do under the circumstances. But see why it was designed, you know, to cause the massive failure that it did. Yeah. See, but as per usual, right, you know, you're not meant to follow those rabbit trails because if you do, you might actually get it. Who's actually responsible for stuff and who actually did stuff?
That's the amazing part. I was listening to people being interviewed. Also, this is the thing that caught my attension on the sidebar, by the way, is that there were a bunch of people where they were like, can you explain, you know, who's actually responsible for the pandemic responses? And people have all kinds of crazy ideas about who shut down the country, who did this, who was asking for this and that and the third thing,
and none of them want to realize that it's a coordinated program. You know, look when you take a look at the fact. I'm sorry, but I was looking at JP's rundown today too, which, by the way, excellent the newsmandal dot com. Okay, the Rundown. I love how he collects stories from all over the Internet and creates a narrative for you. I'll tell you the most amazing narrative though, and it just it hurts me to my guts. You know, lunchables, Pete, You're familiar with lunchables,
right, Oh god, I've even those things a thousand times. My question is, where in the hell is all this lead coming from? Yeah, isn't that amazing ham crackers and cheese? How where do you where is this heavy lead content coming unless it's coming from the packaging? Well, look, when it's not real food. The first problem is, you know, when
you allow substances to get into food that isn't food, problems begin. And when you have all sorts of adulterated and chemical substances that are there to make, you know, things preserve longer, that are there to you know, give certain colors to things and everything else. You get into an area where indeed there's a bunch of elements here. I mean, remember the red dye that was poisoning people. There was red dye eye and the food just to
make certain things red. You know, because when I was in Switzerland. There was a list of about two hundred and fifty products from the US that wasn't allowed to be sold. One of them was fruit loops and it was because of the red dye that they used in the red fruit loops things like that. But I'm sitting there thinking, you know, lunchables have been around for years and years and years, and I think the problem came when they
were allowed to be used on school lunch menus. Suddenly they started doing all this this testing and I haven't been able to find a peer review of the review. But my question is, you're looking at processed ham, you're looking at crackers, and you're looking at cheese, Where the hell is all the lead coming from? And how were they ever allowed to be sold with the amount of lead that they're claiming is in there now. Granted, they're using
California standards for these things, so therein itself is a problem. You know, California's got a lot of restrictions on stuff that nowhere else in the world has. But I'm just curious, between ham, crackers, and cheese, how this high lead content could be there. And I'm wondering if it's in the packaging yeah, not product. See get I get what you're saying about the packaging, but this is where you get BPA and you know all these
kind of leeching things that get from the plastic into the food. And I understand that, and I feel you on that. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you know what the primary problem is. I'm willing to bet if somebody really takes a good look at this, notice that Okay, your processed ham, your processed cheese, your processed crackers. What is the one element in the manufacture of all those things coming together in that package? Is the
water? Now, if they're using municipal water supplies that have let in them, guess what. Okay, see that's the other things. But most major food processing plays have their own filter system in place. Yeah, but they just don't use tap water. They use water that's actually processed in the plant before they ever start manufacturing the food. Well, you would think, but a lot of the packaging that I've read says we use municipal water sources.
So now, if you're using a municipal water source, you know, and by the way, in case you don't know what that means, it's the local tap water right to wherever the hell their factory is. Well, if you if your factories in Michigan, you're gonna expect lead. And that's the other thing that came along with the rundown, right is that. Look, let me just read a couple of headlines out of this thing. I mean the top headline, rights as bands spread, fluoride and drinking water divides communities
across the US. Okay. New study estimates disturbing percentages of young children exposed to lead in major US cities. Study finds nearly seventy percent of Chicago's children under six are exposed to lead contamina native drinking water. Consumer Reports investigates spines, high levels of lead, and lunchables toxicologists, nutritionist or excuse me on what to know about potential health risks of lunchables. This is from ABC News
Food Safety News. By the way, this isn't conspiracy sites. The best, Yeah, the best. The biggest thing I've seen about lunchables is their high sodium content. And they are very high in sodium. But that's in your processed ham. You're gonna get that. But salt is a yes, salt is a common element and a risk element. That's in foods if theress. We know this, but lead is not something you expect in your ham
and cheese crackers. Okay, like you said, no so, but but again, when you're looking at the water side by side, Okay, US EPA limits toxic chemicals and drinking water twenty three years after Rob Billet raised the alarm. Okay, thirty more drinking water systems in Rhode Island looks like may need to filter out pfas under new EPA rules. More than six hundred water systems reported pfas above new EPA limits. Is yours on our map, and
that's from USA today. Okay, reports the number one issue that we're dealing with in our state right now is forever chemicals and PFASs. I mean, it's it's right, it's everywhere, and here we go. Okay, Toxic soup experts breakdown. Waste management struggle faced by rural communities. Okay, that's one problem when you got the you know, you have the landfills nearby, and they're out in the rural areas where nobody pays any attention to them because
they can't stink up the neighborhood. But still it's going to leach into your water table. Anyway, let's see environmental racism. Okay, let's skip over that, espestos victims, Okay, skip over that. I mean, just keep looking at it. The stuff that ends up even when they're talking about your pet, flea and tick treatments contained pesticides that end up washing into the environment. Here's how that's from the conversation dot com. My point is that
there is so much going on with the water supply and lunchables. The scary part is that lunchables are a very, very super common thing that like you said, they're in school lunches, but they're a common I mean for the past twenty five years. I would say they are probably a staple in an American kid's diet. There's no parent that I know, even the most you know, veggie headed, what do they call them, crunchy parents in the world. We have all fed our kids lunchables, thinking well, what's the
worst that happens here? It's generally and you know, now they have pizza and this and that and the third thing, but generally it's crackers, some sort of meat product like baloney or ham or you know, something like that. Sometimes they have chicken whatever, like a chicken roll kind of you know, slabs, but I mean it's ham, cheese and some sort of meat product. And you think to yourself, well, that's just a sandwich on a cracker, and that's all there is to it. It's not that big
a deal. Yes it's a short cut. Yes it's lazy parenting, but when you're on the go, and it used to be cheap, by the way, I mean, they used to have these things for about a buck of pop and you know when you got them on sale. Now they're at an outrageous price, but I mean cheap easy. The kids want to eat them, and it looks like to you and your brain, well, look, I'm giving them some you know, some of the fruit and well, no excuse me, I'm giving them some of the bread and cereal group with
the crackers. I'm giving them some of the protein with the meat. Right, I'm giving them some of their dairy with the cheese. If I take this and I give them an apple, then I've done my job for giving them some nutrition at least, and I didn't have to kill myself to do it. And every parent I know has fed their kids this. Now, if you thought for a moment that you were, you know, going to
be cramming led down your kid's throat while you're feeding them. You know, the five six hundred lunchables you probably fed your kid as they grew over there, you know, very early years here. I don't know a parent who hasn't in America given their kids lunchable. I mean, think about that, man, that's ridiculous. It's like the anyway, when you tell me that this stuff is accidental and incidental, I'm sorry. I can't see it as anything other than by design. But anyway, maybe it's just me and maybe
I am a conspiracy theorist. What can I say? But let's get back to who we had on the line and let them talk about what they want to talk about. But the lunchable thing I wanted to bring up, So maybe we go back excuse me, to OJ again or Watergate whatever it's on you caller. Now we don't have to go back on OJ. I got cut off a couple of times. I apologize, no worries. Apparently you and somebody else got cut off too because I saw another caller come up I
think in New York twice. Now New York caller call I'll interrupt whoever's talking. If you're having trouble getting on, or you're getting mad because you're waiting. I'll even cut off a caller to make sure the New York caller gets on. Whoever you are, I don't even know who we are, but anyway, sorry, please, yeah, no, you can call you can cut me off. This is Chris Graves from Massachusetts. I don't I don't necessarily believe in the OJ conspiracy. I was just wondering what everyone on the
panel thought about that conspiracy. I didn't really put much shock in it, but some people do. Some people, some people are seriously convinced that there is a guy who I consider very smart, a friend of mine even still uh coincidentally from New York. But I know that's not Who's calling me is Pierce Redmond, who believes that OJ's innocent. Uh you know I. I yeah, he's pretty well known. Yeah yeah, I mean Pierce believes it. I and I. It's one of our weird little conversations every now and
then. It's the point that we make where it's like, yeah, well, look, I can agree with you on one hundred things, but dude, you know OJ innocent. Sorry, dude, come on, come on really and no he thinks so he does. Yeah, So anyway, sorry, God, I only wish no, no, no, that's fine. No. I only wish that the late great Norm McDonald was around, was still alive to be on a comment on OJ's death, because he had quite a bit to say when OJ was alive. But I know Jimmy James brought
up the late Dorothy Hunt. I did a little bit of research on Dorothy Hunt's plane crash, and I don't know if this is just you know, total conspiracy, you know, central when it comes to her plane crash. But I thought she had like one hundred thousand dollars in a briefcase. I'm not sure if that's true or not. It might have been to ten thousand.
But there was also some weird stuff around her crash where there may have been some evidence that there were local police and FBI agents in the neighborhood surrounding the plane crash too. I don't know if anyone else on the panel had
heard about that. I sent that information that I was able to find very little because it was in the early seventies, but I was able to send some of that information to someone like Donald Jeffries, who writes books about this kind of these kinds of things, and has anyone else heard the rumors of possible for knowledge of this pane crash of Dorothy Hunting. Yeah, I've heard about this. I'm actually fairly convinced that there was people on the scene a
little too quickly. I'm familiar with the evidence about that, And yeah, it does seem rather rather fast on the response as far as the locals getting there, Okay, I'm not saying they were waiting on the site, just me. So. Yeah, so you are familiar with that, Okay, Yeah, I'm familiar with that, and I'm familiar with the allegations that there was more money. But what I know that was found that was inventory is that ten grand? Now is there more? Was there more? Could there
have been more? I mean, even if you don't think that somebody stole it or was trying to cover something up or anything else, it's very possible there was more money. But was it ever found? Nobody has ever come forward with any proof that any more than that ten grand was found, that that much, as far as I know, Chuck, have you heard he
has bt or yourself heard from Saint John Hunt about his mother's death. I never got into that with the email exchanges that I had with Saint John Hunt, I never got into his mother's death, so I not directly know. But b Pete, have you ever heard from Saint John Hunt about his mother's death? No, Saint John Hunt is one of those peripheral individuals I've not really followed up on because I've not really heard them say anything that I thought
was credible. Well, he got nasty with me on Facebook, and I was having an email conversation with him, but he got nasty with me on Facebook because I knew the name directly of somebody that had had sold him something. Okay, And that ended the conversation because he got really nasty with me and got kind of personal, and I said, look, I don't want to get personal about this. I said, you know, but I've looked into you enough to know this, you know, so take it easy.
And that ended our conversation, honestly. And I wanted to talk to him about his father. I didn't ask him about his mother. Yeah, because when I contacted him, he wanted an appearance see and I said, I'm just doing basic research, so I don't have a budget or anything and he got nasty with me. Yeah, that's that's another thing. I think, you know, to do a remote. I'm thinking it was either I think
it was five hundred bucks, like basically to do a call hit. Yep, yeah, that's what he wanted to five hundred dollars to me too. Yes, see, No, that's that that linees up. Yeah, No, Chris, Chris knows that's exactly what he wanted, five hundred bucks. So I guarantee you when he went on road, when he went on Jesse Ventura's show, I promise you somebody wrote him a check for five hundred bucks
because that's what he wanted. And he even referenced the fact that that was the standard fee that the National Inquirer paid people, which is also true when you got a feature story in the National Inquirer, whether they came to interview you or you wrote it yourself. Uh, and you were, you know, some sort of exclusive for them, even if it wasn't their you know, their front page. They they the five hundred bucks was the standard amount,
and that's where he got that five hundred dollars figure from. Uh. And that's what he requested for for doing a remote, for doing a phone call five hundred dollars. That's the same amount that's Suttering John wants two five hundred dollars, which I always found funny. Well, he didn't charge me, Stuttering John to come on my show. He was promoting that book, and he did not charge me. Yeah, but I'm gonna have to start
looking into co host fees. Yes, sure, listen, if you can get paid, I mean, you know, tell him for a minor additional fee. Whatever you get for a minor additional fee, maybe I'll join you. You know, tell them, hey, I'll you know, I'll get you a pair for a discount. What do you think you know? I mean, let's just say you get I mean theoretically, I'm not saying put this price tag on it. But if you can get one hundred bucks, tell him for I don't know, one hundred and fifty, I'll get you
two guys. What do you think you know? What I'm saying, like, Well, it's with all these people on the periphery of history. I mean, Saint John Hunt, regardless of the stories that he's got about his dad, was on the outside. And I would think that, you know, if he wrote a book and he wanted to promote his book or something like that. He'd be willing to come on something, but just to pay
somebody five hundred bucks who really has no claim to history whatsoever. It just seems ridiculous to me that organizations would pay that to someone who's so far out on the periphery that you really have to question anything that they tell you. Well, he's gotten it. It's more amazing. Well, but then again, I don't blame Yeah, my whole thing was to talk to him about
his mother and not even his father, his mother's death. Yeah, yeah, but the thing is on a five hundred dollars No, it's five hundred bucks. But look, I don't blame a guy for saying, you know what, if they're going to pay me, I'll pay me. You know, I mean, get what you can get. I mean, I don't even mind these guys who do the cameos. You know about cameo right Vpe, Like, there's a lot of people on there that we can pay you
know, a few dollars and they'll re cord a video message. Generally, it's like, you know, you want some celebrity to give you a personalized birthday message or whatever. You know, here's a fee, and there's people on there as low as twenty five dollars, and then there's people on there for twenty five hundred dollars, you know, of all sorts of different levels
of fame. I actually considered paying what was that guy's name, that was Trump's guy for a little bit mooch, the mooch the what was his name, Scaramucci, That's what it was, scaramo. I'm trying to remember the Italian name there, but remember the Scaramucci showed up and he was the press secretary for a minute, yeah, about five seconds. Yeah, I was gonna pay him like one hundred bucks just to like, I don't know, like just throw a bunch of insults at me. I thought that would have
been funny. But you know, but I never have that kind of money to blow on something like that, So I didn't do it. But he's up there on cameo. It's a yeah cameo dot com. I think you can hire different different levels of celebrity, all sorts. Uh, wrestlers, you name it to thirty dollars, Yeah, I mean we're gonna have to. I'most start promoting myself as the most famous non famous co host in the world and you want me, it's gonna cost you hundred bucks. Sure listen,
if you can get it, get it. What can I tell you? I mean great, Like I said, I mean, but Chuck, I thought it was very odd that he wouldn't want to talk about his mother's death and anyone that may have evidence that would show some kind of form.
I know, this goes into conspiracy theory like in the trenches or whatever, but there was evidence that was there was some kind of four knowledge that that there were you know, FBI agents in local cops in the area that were like almost as if they were real, they were aligned to where the plane would crash. Well, yeah, that sounds yeah, no, it does.
Look I'm not saying that I could definitively say that that's what happened, but it looks like there were FBI guys and cops you know, that were basically told, look, gather together and be prepared because somewhere in this general area, very soon, Dorothy Hunt's plane is going to go down. It does seem like they arrived fast enough that somebody would have had to have told him that because they were right on the How old was he when his mother
died? Oh? I'm not sure, you know, I think he's somewhere near my age, but he might be older. Let me let me take a look at that. Yeah, look at his age. I think he was a young child, b Pete. Like, I think he had to be. He had to be young because I was twelve and seventy two. He may be in a position where he doesn't really know that much about his mother's not. Well. Here, here's the deal. He was apparently eighteen in nineteen seventy two, So I was off on that he was eighteen in
nineteen seventy two. Really, so he was an adult, Okay, I thought he was like five. No, he was. See, he was a teenager helping his father dispose of evidence, and the evidence he claims was part of the Watergate thing. Uh. And I believe that story that he tells about that, and he was a teenager at the time, so it
makes sense. But in seventy it says in the summer of nineteen seventy two, Saint John Hunt was eighteen years old living in Washington, d C. On June seventeen, his father, E. Howard hud came bursting into Yeah, here we go, there's this whole story about you know, him showing up and being like, you got to help me with stuff, and he's and you know the other thing about him is he was a musician and not
really making it. Yeah, so I think he was under the impression that once he got out there with his you know, father's deathbed confession, that it was going to help propel his musical career. And and even with that, nobody really picked up on it much. I mean, there was like a brief time when people booked him in some clubs and things like, hey,
come see Saint John Hunt. But it was around like two thousand and five, right, And it wasn't even the real deathbake confession either, because he ended up living for like another year, right, more than a year. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we could look it up and I'll get you a timeframe, but I'm sure he lived a couple of years longer than that. It wasn't like he died even a year later. Stone claimed it was a deathbake confession. It was like two thousand and four, two
thousand and five, and that was not correct, right at all. Yeah, e Howard Hunt, let me just take a little bit, paid quite a bit for that. Yeah, what was the what exactly was the confession? Well, according to these you know tapes that he was releasing pieces of at a time, right, Uh, he's laying out this, this whole thing, Hunt is laying out. Howard Hunt is laying out. Well, I knew this guy, and he knew this guy, and these guys were working with LBJ directly. And this is why. Uh cord Meyer, I
remember cord Meyer was a central figure. Uh you know Mary Meyer's husband. Wasn't the chuck wasn't the code word the big wedding? Or was it the big Muhammad on him? I getting that mixed up with nine to eleven. It was like something like the Big Wedding, the big event, the big event is what it was. Yeah, because what Judas Baker was harping on that, she she told everybody that that was the cats phrase long before you know Howard Hunt, Well, Howard Hunts kept using the phrase the big Event.
But I don't think it was a code name. It's just the thing that he was saying about. It was this. Yeah you know, tried to twist it into the secret code. Yeah, well he did, and she did twisted it into this is the code word. But no, it was just like the big event. I got that wrong. Then, No, it's the big event, is what it was. I remember that that was the big event, the big event, and I'm going big deal, the big event. That's nothing. That's not a code word, you know.
Let's see. But I think it kind of got lost in the shuffle because I think they tried to say that nine this September eleven, two thousand and one. The code word that Osama was using to his mother on the phone was like the big wedding or the big event too, so it kind of blurred the line. Yeah, there was something about a wedding, right at some point, people were talking about a wedding on September eleventh, and that may have indeed been a code that was being discussed between people. You
know that. But that's a little different. Let's see. He began to write it down, the names of the men who participated, blah blah. I'm trying to look for exactly when it happened. Let's see, this is the Rolling when everyone but Rolling Stone and in the media tried to claim that e Howard Hunt it was a deathbed confession. And like you said, he didn't die for another year and he really didn't reveal that much in that tape,
right, I mean it was really strong. Well, but that's the thing is that see Saint John was going around saying, well, look I got more tape and I'll release it all. Yeah, that's the thing. I think he didn't. But he was showing you selected pieces of this video and playing the audio on like Coast to Coast AM and all that. Yeah, you know, for like a year and with Jesse Ventura. Jesse Ventura was the big draw for that whole thing, right, and then he got
on that show Conspiracy Theory. Sorry, but what specifically was the confession that somebody specifically was involved or or what exactly Howard hunt was like, he was pretty Howard Hunting pretty much was he pretty much lost his mind by that point, right, He was like in almost ninety and he was trying to claim that he was a part of this big operation and there was no way to really substantiate that, right John. Well, yeah, it was like, look, I was a part of this thing, but I was on the
periphery of it. And here's the real players, here's how the organization was laid out, et cetera, et cetera. And he was born in nineteen eighteen, and uh, let's see, he was died in two thousand and seven, so yeah, so he was Let's see, now, if he would have made it to twenty eighteen, then he would have been one hundred years old, so eleven years shy that so he's like eighty nine years old.
He had had an amputation. I think he's missing one one leg at this point, right, and he is in a hospital bed and I think was suffering them from pneumonia that they thought he wasn't going to recover from, and he did, is the thing. So when did that happen? The actually name names? Yeah, like I said, cord Meyer was a big name in there. You know, he mentioned LBJ. But that's that's an easygo too though. Yeah, yeah, LBJ and a bunch of people.
It's like, you know, this mix that you could sort of make a family tree out of it if you wanted to, and say, this person leads to this person, who leads to that person. Here's your CIA liaison, here's your military people UK At that point that all these characters were already named for like ears by that point, so anyone could have told I Howard Hunt on his on his so called deathbed and it's like there's no way to really substantiate it. Right, Well, there's that, plus the hints from
the way that Hunt was saying this. I mean, it sounded to me, and this is the impression I got. It sounded to me as if somebody said, look, how would you write this spy novel if you were to use real people, and how would you write, you know, the spy novelization of JFK's murder. Well, here's how I would do it. And here's how I would do this, because if you listen to the phrases in some of this stuff, it's clearly a speculation or something that he's putting
together that isn't like matter of fact. Some of it he uses he says things matter of factly. But then again, if you start telling a story and you say, okay, let's see youorize together and figure out how this could work, somebody might say, well, this guy definitely kills this guy, so you know, but that doesn't mean that he did it. It just means that, in my scenario, this is the way this would work.
And it almost sounded like he was laying out a scenario. And I have been told by more than one person that that was literally him laying out a book that it was meant to be a book. One of those things he pulled an OJ with a if I did it book long before OJ came up with an if I did it book? Yeah, basically because he because I'm not saying his son did it, but anyone could have went into his hospital or room and said him this stuff because it was already like part of
the quote unquote official conspiracy theory. So just having him on audio tape, people gonna people are going to be like, oh, we could take this to the bank. Yeah. And at this point in time, he was almost ninety, right, Chuck, Well, he was already very sick. What was going on is his family, different elements of his family, uh, because he had, you know, kids after his family with Dorothy, I think, And what was going on is he had different elements of his
family arguing whoever who needs to take care of him. So at this point when this tape is made, Saint John and that contingent of the Hunt family has him, I think he was at that point arguing with his sister who's named Kevin. If I'm correct about this, I think he's got a sister named Kevin, and I think she was It's a male name, but it's a it's a woman. And no, there's no transgenderism here. It's just an odd name. I think Kevin Hunt. I want to say it anyway.
I'm looking it up just to make sure I'm right about this. But Kevin, Kevin Hunt, I'm pretty you name your son Saint John Kevin is not too surprising for your daughter. Yeah, so right, I believe it's Kevin. Anyway, Kevin Hunt was arguing with Saint John because she was saying that Saint John wasn't responsible enough to take care of their father. That kind of thing was going on. Uh so you know there's and that's a typical
family dispute. So I know that was happening. And during this, this is when Saint John has him on video and later plays audio for people from the video of his father in you know, in a hospital bed at home, and this is what's going on. That's what was on. That's what was on Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory was that video you're talking about, right, They used part of it on there, but most places, even on conspiracy theory, I think they used the audio from it instead of the video for
some reason. And he went on yeah, at the end of the episode, yeah right, And he even went on Coast to Coast a m and they played portions of it, saying, look, this is a very serious clip. And like I said, he was repeating a lot of names over and over again, and it was like, uh, he was talking about how cord Meyer was, you know, pretty much pissed because JFK was banging
his wife and what and whatnot. So of course cord Meyer would be happy to be in on the conspiracy that this is according to I Howard hunt right, who you know, as you point out, was rather sickly, was rather elderly at this point. And you know, what did he really mean? Was anybody actually questioning him on this? Was he speculating? Was he trying to write a new spy novel, you know, one last one before he goes, So he's got, you know, something that's making money for
the family after he dies. I mean, there there's a lot in play here. You can't substantiate it, right, No, it's it's not no, you can't substand I mean, there's certain portions of it that makes sense. But again, there was the audio. The audio that's a rolling stone to come. And but the video, like you're telling me, like you're
saying, the video did not get out there that much. It was basically just based on the audio, and he was very sickly based on the audio the video that they actually did release right, right, And as has anybody's been able to verify the audio that that's actually haunts boys? Oh it's him, I don't think so, it is him. I'm certain it's him. Yeah, No, I'm certain it's him. I'm certain that he said a
lot of this stuff. But as for the context, as for you know, like I said, can anybody prove to me that this wasn't just let's structure a book. No. And as a matter of fact, again, some of the context clues that are in there are strange. It's not like he's telling a story and he's saying that this is a fact. This is a fact. Here's what I'm backing it up with. Here's why I know it all the time. It's weird little things in there when you listen to
the clips. But I'm very sure there's more than one YouTube video on the out there that that collected together the clips, because I know there was like a very long one out there a while ago that had like almost all of it together in one place, and yeah, it was just he was trying to sell it. But the problem is was Saint John Hunt, you don't know what you're getting because you don't know about the ulterior motives right right right, And we don't know exactly what he was trying to do, except he
was actively trying to sell the story. And there did end up being a book out of this whole thing, but I doubt that that was the ultimate goal, you know, to just get a book out. There was a book. Okay, I personally, I'm like, I've been a researcher for a while. I'm not the best researcher. But there was a book, and I didn't I know that? Do you do? You know? My chance? Who wrote the book? Like I don't mean to put you on the spot, but like, what, uh do you know the title?
Like, because well there is one book he's always questioning St. John Hunt. Yeah, there's there's two books that purport to be written by Saint John Hunt. One of them is called Dorothy and the other one is uh A Bond of Secrecy. Bond of Secrecy excuse me. Uh, I had to think about it. Yeah, Bond of Secrecy, I think tells a lot of the stories about what I was talking about before, with him destroying evidence when he's a teenager and that kind of thing. The Dorothy thing, obviously
is supposed to be focused on his mother. Now, in all fairness, I have not read Dorothy, but I've even heard of it. Okay, I'm gonna look it up after the conversation right now. Yeah, I read excerpts from Doing Worthy, but I've not read the whole book. Okay, I'm just saying, just just circling back to what we were talking about, Dorothy's plane crash. Does he go into that, you know, by a
chance in the book? Yeah, because I never heard him come out and talk about like that plane crash was very suspect in my opinion, And maybe it's just my conspiracy, timfoil or whatever, but I haven't heard him talk about that, and I'm not saying he didn't. It's a it's actually I first, right now, you're telling me that there was a book called Dorothy, and I got to look that up. Right now. Do you know, by any chance if he got into that, I would assume, and
maybe I shouldn't assume the plane crash. Yeah he yeah, I happen to know, I do happen odd that you're asking me questions. I actually know the answer to tonight, but odds that it's either in Dorothy or it's in a book that he co authored with Roger Stone, which is uh Rogers, Yeah, all right, called oh God, the Bush Crime Family. That's the name of the book, right, the Bush Crime Family with Roger Stone. Roger Stone and the Saint John Hunt are are listed as the co akers.
As far as roger Stone goes, I thought roger Stone only went into like the Clinton crime family. So that's the new information that I had no idea about. Okay, No, Roger Stone. A matter of fact, that the appointment that he was supposed to come on my show, he wrote a book about Jeb Bush. He's written books about a lot of stuff. The Kennedy assassination. Uh, you know, he's got a couple of books
about that. I think he's got no no I know about that because he had the thing with Donald Jefferies doing the forward for one of his books. And I thought that Rogers so only like concentrated on the uh the Clinton crimes against women and things like that. I didn't know he actually got into the George Bush era of that. Well, you know, it depends on how you want to look at it. But there is that book, and I can't remember if Saint John Hunt talks about it in that book or in the
Dorothy book, but he does cover the plane crash. It could be in both. I haven't read these things in some years. I don't remember what years came. No, No, I'm glad you brought that up, because I thought he only concentrated on the liberal like Clinton side of things. I did not know he went into the Bush side of things. Well, no, I mean and again he was also attacking Jeb Bush. While Trump was running for president. He wrote a book called Jeb that probably nobody bought because
who cared. And by the time he got the book out, I think Jeb has had a contention, so nobody cared. But and I'm guilty of that. I'm guilty of that one hundred percent. I did not know he wrote a book about yet. Yeah, I remember, it's got a blue cover. They sent me a copy. Skyhorse sent me a copy. This is back when I was still on their good list, so they sent me, uh oh no. At the time, Jeb was making the rounds of
the alternative media with the conspiracy crowd. I remember that whole thing, right right, So it just so I had booked okay, So I booked Roger Stone. I had him on about the Clinton's The Crime Against Women's book, and that's a red covered book. The Jet book was blue had a blue themed I can't remember. It was called in big letters. It said Jet bought it, I remember that much. And then my dog got a hold
of it and started chewing on it. But I was gonna bring him on the show to talk about it. I started reading it and I never got to finish it, and then he stood me up and didn't show up for his interview. So that's what happened there. And then he never returned another message that all right, No, I appreciate you bringing that up because I
didn't even know it existed. Yeah you, And like I said, that's that's at least two books that I know of that are are supposed to have been written by Saint John Hunt. Now that doesn't mean that he didn't have a ghostwriter or whatever else, but he's credited with writing the two books and then also being a co author with Roger Stone. There might be another book by uh, what's the name there? The same guy who published Judy might have actually done another book with him. What is the name of that.
It's trying Day you're talking about. Trin Day might have published another book with Saint John that's outside or maybe one of those books is published by Trying Day. Look, I can't remember all these details perfectly, but let me just look into that real fast movie. But you bring it to light because I thought he only concentrated on the Clinton Crimes against the Women book. No,
No, I don't think it's Bush crimes against women necessarily. It's probably like you know, Bush involved with cocaine trafficking and stuff like that in the SNLS probably, I mean, yeah, the savings and loans and stuff like that, which goes back to which goes back to the author, not James Hetfield from Metallica. But there's another James Hetfield for Hatfield rather that died weird death in like a motel bathroom, I believe, and he was covering a lot
of Bush. George Who's cocaine usage in two thousand and one. I don't know if you remember him. I don't know if that's going off into the weeds or not, but no, I remember that too. It sounds familiar, you know what as fortunate Son. Here's yeah, here's the funny thing. As I look up the Dorothy book, it looks like that that one is published by Trying Day. And yeah, and the funny thing is that Roger Stone wrote the forward to it, according to Amazon, So here you
go to the Fortunate to the Fortunate sonone with James Haffield. No, no, no, Dorothy, the book Dorothy that I brought up to you before, do Yeah, I remember, yeah, I remember the book. But I decided to look it up to see and it turns out that that was the one that was published by Remember I said there might be one published by trying Day. That one was published by Trying Day. And also it says on the bottom of it that the forward was written by Roger Stone. So
that one's called Dorothy and a moral and Dangerous woman. The murder of E. Howard Hunt's wife Watergates darkest Secret guaranteed. The plane crash is covered in that. Yeah, so that must be I figured, Yeah, okay, all right, Yeah, that's good to know. Like I said, I mean, I read these things maybe almost ten years. Yeah. Well it says it came out in twenty fifteen, so I probably read it in twenty fifteen, you know what I mean? Uh, so they had Saint John's
participation possibly, Yeah, yeah, exactly. So the best I can do for you, I'm going to look for that. There you go. So, uh didn't mean to take over the airwaves so much. But yeah, a lot a couple of these books I had heardos and he's probably chilling. So I'm going to look into that now. Yeah, I look at it. Let's see. Oh, here's a funny one too. I look up Bond of Secrecy and the forward there is written by Jesse Ventura of course. Okay, all right, yeah, and curiosity, good, go ahead.
How old is Jesse Ventura? Now? Wow, Well, he's like seventy two or something. No, he's pretty old because he was kind of an older looking dude, I thought in the late eighties as a wrestler, right, I mean, you know, he wasn't like a spring st steroids in the in the hard living. Yeah, but he wasn't a spring chicken. And you know in the eighties when he was like a wrestling announcer. Right, I mean, so let's take a look here, American politician actor.
Let's just you know, do the Wikipedia. Look. I think Jesse Ventura is almost seventy five. I could be wrong, but yeah, he's up there right now. Yeah, let's see here. When was he born because he went to Vietnam, so like, I think he was born in fifty four. I could be wrong. So my mother is almost seventy and like a couple of months, so says here, jes like seventy two. Yeah, he says here, he's seventy two, and he was born in nineteen fifty one. I guess. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah,
I do remember that. Yeah, so that makes him nine years older than me. I'm sixty three, so yeah, seventy two. Here you go. Well that's that's uh yeah in Vietnam, right, good point. You remember he used to go on Howard Stern and he had like American Conspiracies and he had like nine to eleven books in like the late two thousands and everything.
Yeah. Yeah, But the interesting part about him, in what my mind, it should be easy to understand his age because my father was born in nineteen fifty and also sir to be no, So that makes perfect sense to me. Yeah, he was born in fifty one, so he's like a year younger than my father would have been. Okay, that makes perfect sense. You actually had dealings with Tyrelly and Jesse, if you don't mind
me asking, Like I think we talked about that in the past. Yeah, I never never dealt with Jesse. I did deal with Tyrell briefly, but not Jesse. I wanted to deal with Jesse Venturo wanted him on the show, but he was kind of giving you a hard time rights people like I don't know if I'm telling tales a school here, but he kind of gave you a hard time in terms of like trying to interview him. Yeah. Apparently, Yeah, apparently Tyrell had found that I said something or wasn't.
I don't know I had done something wrong according to Tyrell from what I understood. But what are you gonna do? I mean no, But Maria Heller she was able to get Jesse on. He was a very kosher interview and pretty pleasant. From what I remember is going back like ten years, well up until very recently. She was talking to David Ike once a month too, And I could never get David to come on my show. You know, just because they go on with Maria doesn't mean they come on with
me or vice versa. So you know, no, and to your credit, to your credit, Chuck, David Ike. From what the last time I looked into David Ike, he's like supporting like Big Farman now apparently, like I could be wrong, but I think he was supporting a lot of the COVID drugs and things like that. It could be way off. I don't know, you know what I can't say yes or no to. I
don't know. I just wanted to talk to him. You know. Actually what I wanted to talk to David Ike about is really historical, and that was more about, you know, Jordan Maxwell pretty much introducing David Ike to America. I wanted to talk to him about that because that's part of the story too. But Jordan's dont Maxwell. No, No, I don't know, honestly, Like I used to have a diferent shows and everything. I was a researcher and everything. David Ike playing a big part in Jordan Maxwell
like at a certain point, like this is new information to me. Other way around, not knowing that other way around, Jordans That's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jordan had kind of introduced David Ike to American audiences. Yeah, at a certain point. Okay, all right, I'm not saying he's entirely responsible for it, but Jordan was either the first or one of the first people from the US to talk to David Ike about whatever it was he was doing at the time. So and I think that
was. Uh, I might be way off on this, but I mean, I know, I know that that's true for anyone out there that doesn't know, like Jordan Maxwell was a huge figure, and I ended up I don't I still to this day, did not know the extent of Jordan Maxwell's influence in terms of you know, any he's saying conspiracy research, but like alternative history. Yeah. Well look, all I gotta say to some people who are deeply read into that stuff is one thing, and that is that
he was a personal friend of Manly P. Hall. So that's the end of the story as far as most people are concerned. If you know who Manley P. Hall was, and you know about Manley P. Hall's archive, and the fact is that Jordan had some of Manly P. Hall's personal notebooks that were left to him when he died, and those things were stolen from Jordan before he died. Just just for the record, physically stolen. Manley Hall and Jordan Niswell, they don't get a fair shake with in terms
of the written history to this day. Right, No, not not at all. But but if you look into it a bit, you know, if people look into it and look into the archive that Manley P. Hall was putting together and some of the rarefied information that was there physically in one place. You know, we're not talking about Internet stuff. We're talking about books and manusc It's in ancient papers and things like that which he had assembled. There's a lot there that's heard, yeah, to to study and it's
it's really mind you and a personal relationship with that. I don't know about Manly P. Hall, but at least Jordan P. Peterson, you actually you the man right, Well, Jordan and I had a friendship on a
certain level. I wasn't one of his closest friends, but I was a friend of Jordan's in my opinion, And but you were, you were fairly close from what I understand, right, there were there there was something there I wouldn't say I was his best buddy, I really, you know, because here's the thing, I never actually physically got in the same space with Jordan. Him and I were always apart no matter what. Even though we were we were supposed to have met a couple of times, uh, and
we did not. It just didn't work out because of different things. You'll have that towards the end of his life. You to play a part, well a little bit. I mean I I don't think anybody else did all right, the extensive types of interviews and and stuff like that, and apparently I had information about things that was only given to a very select few people about stuff. I'm really sad about it, though. I just want to
make that. I just want to make that known because there were apparently, from my other research I've done in the past, there were people around him that did not that were not on the up and up, so to speak. Well, there's people to this day, there's people to this day still selling his stuff that pretty much stole his stuff, that that that that were profiting off of him and everything else. And he even tried to take him to court and lost. Where they were they've been profiting off of them they
claimed to be worthy official site of Jordan Max. They're not. Jordan's official site is gone. You. Meanwhile, he was on his deathbed and he had these vultures around him, That's what I'm saying. And you were not one of these vultures. No, No, I was not one of those guys. There there are people that physically stole things from him, that took money from him, that that robbed him of just about everything. Uh And and the only thing I ever did monetarily with him is give him a couple
of bucks. Uh And outside of that, uh and it wasn't much, but I mean a little bit because he just needed something. And outside of that, chuck you chuck, you actually chuck monetarily aside. You actually were one of the last people to actually do a few interviews with him on the up and up right. Yeah, yeah, there's that. And I never profited, that I found after the fact. Yeah, no, you I credit well, I never I Look, I never profited a dime, because
I want to make sure that that's very clear. I never profited a single dime as a matter of fact. Yeah, no, I've heard that there were people around him that actually stole from him, and made money off of him as he was dying, and he died, right, and you weren't one of those people. No, the fact, yeah, not at all.
As a matter of fact, I was the only thing that was ever presented to me is there was a book contract where I signed any rights or any claim that I would have over to something that was a part that that I could have made a claim to. I signed it over to Jordan.
Whatever was going to be made is his. What I'm saying, is what I'm saying for the people out there, is you actually have a few interviews with him when he was actually very sick, and you know you to this day, as far as I know, I have never released it to the public, right, No, and I won't. I won't. That says a lot. They don't. He was, he was impaired, and I don't feel good about ever bringing that out to anybody. He was impaired at the time, so I don't want to do that. That's all I wanted
to say. That's yeah, yeah, well I appreciate it. Thank you. Anyway. Look, we've we've kept Jimmy and uh, I don't see anybody else haven't called in, but I know we kept Jimmy on hold a long time here. He's probably asleep over there. Let me see what time is it? By the way, got new long conversations here, and I probably just messed everything up. What time is it? Is it ten thirty? Be Pete? Is it ten thirty? Dear God? I might have
lost be Pete. That's okay anyway, guys, I'm gonna put Jimmy James on, and if anybody else calls in, I'll keep this going for a minute, but if not, we're gonna probably close out the show here shortly. So sorry about the long, long delay, Jimmy, I'm staying on the air to make sure that you at least get back in. So anything you want to throw on here or get into before we're done, I think
be Pete is actually gone. He had to get going. Well, yoah, Chris was bringing up a lot of good things, Sarah, Well, your first question about Oh Jake, Really the question is did the jury do the right thing for the right reasons? Because eighty percent of all cases are circumstantial, and this thing goes way beyond even that. The circumstances DNA, this, that and the other thing. Do I personally think, Oh Jay did that practically decapitated that woman. Yeah, I do. I agree with
the proof because it's also a fact that Detective Furman contaminated that scene. I think that's pretty much, well, pretty much everyone agrees with that. That supposed glove and stuff that just it's stunk. And so the jury and my
mind should have probably declared a mistrial. And sadly, now that OJ is dead, I've been listening to them on various shows saying horrible something I never wanted to hear that they just let OJ off because of the Rodney King verdict, but just said, but yes, they should have done something in the vein that they did, because well, the evidence was so contaminated. Honestly,
I probably would have also acquitted, but for the right reasons. It's sad that these people did it for racial, bizarre reasons, but they did ultimately come up with the only legitimate decision you could make because the evidence was extremely contaminated. And that Henry Lee guy, I remember him, a what a what a joker? Yeah, what a mess that guy was. And
I'll tell you something else is real quick. Not only was there that contamination by Furman, but the truth is there was contamination at the lab, there was contamint, there was all sorts of missteps with the investigation. So, you know, is it a right verdict? It's hard for me to tell because of the circus that was going on, But a bottom line is I'm fairly convinced he did it, though still just like you, you know, yeah, he probably did it, right, You see why I say he
probably did it, But yeah, I agree. Just look, yeah, it's not like we can know one ninety nine, but you look at the circumstances and golly, you know how many other people would want to chop this fraud's head off practically, And he was enough athlete, He's a very strong man. There was a time our athrightised or not. He was highly medicated at the time. But that's just kind of my thoughts on the OJ thing and on the Hunt thing. I just really there's just something about this June
nineteen seventy two. It's very weird. I mean, let's really put this in perspective. Jagger Hoover dies two weeks before Watergate, just drops dead in his home, which I know he wasn't a young man, he was sixty five, but I don't know, it's weird. His documents and whatnot all disappear. It's weird. Two weeks later, the Watergate bungle, it's weird or Hunts involved in that, And looking back at the documents, I'm shocked just how much Hunt was involved with the Cuba projects. Now we know that
he was in Langley when Kenny be with shots. So obviously he didn't participate, but he definitely had a lot of contact with a lot of people who probably had first or second hand knowledge. And yeah, I agree with you one one hundred percent, Chuck. I mean you just look at the video and he could practically seem so Dad. For our book, let's you know, we'll put a historical fiction book together where you actually were involved. How would you think it would play out? You know all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, if you were to create this conspiracy and you wanted to write it into a book, and you wanted to put you know yourself an LBJ in it, how would you do it? It almost seems like that part is left off with a video, right, I mean it just seems that way. And what can you say? It's a lot of stuff and yeah, people ran around, Oh the big event, the big event, that's the code word, and I'm like, the big Event. That's a general statement. That's like saying, you know, going to the Big show,
the operation Big Event. Yeah, No, that's not what it was called. You know, come on, I mean, it's just it was silly. It was very very silly, and I understood why they ran with it, but it was like, you know, at the end of the day, a guy like cord Meyer is going to run this No, no, no, you know who is the guy who is the only other CIA officer who ran on the beaches on the Bay of Pigs along with Rip Roberts.
Wasn't that Eastman who just happened to be named by that CIA guy who went strictly through the records and that was his sub his best guess I think his name was Eastman. Yeah, but see again, it depends on what premise you want to start with, right if you start with it's like if you're Stephen King and you start with the premise that Oswald did it, Okay, you're going to go in a certain direction, and then he has to have
time travel in there, you know, because he's Stephen King. But I mean, realistically, you know what I'm saying, it just becomes Look, it's clearly a work of fiction utilizing real people. I mean, Robert Tannenbaum had done pretty well with a book. I think that's that's his name, the guy who ended up being the deputy Chief Counsel to the HSCA. You know, the cop from New York, you remember him, and he wrote he wrote an interesting blended you know, sort of like historical fiction book and
you use real people. It's like, you know, turning A B. Lincoln into a vampire hunter. Why not. But it doesn't mean that it's got any validity, you know what I'm saying. That's about the level that I see this E Howard Hunt. You know, Deathbed Confession is about about at the level of Abe Lincoln vampire hunter. Jimmy, that's what I see. I agree, Oh, I absolutely, we agree. I'm far more
fascinated what he was up to in the early seventies. Yeah, me too, and particularly I want to know what he's up to with the old Jim McCord. I want to know what the hell's going on and as far as he's with, you know, I care less what Saint John Hunt says. But if I want someone in a real witness and they try to make me pay money. That's not going to work. I'll go look through the documents, find where they contradicted their statements, and then I'll file a petition to
perpetuate testimony. Little bastards. Yeah, I got you, but you know, but it's too funny. Yeah, but it's too funny because you notice, though I knew exactly how much money it was, because I got the same I got that offer. To look, It's like back when RFK Junior was not looking to be out in public, right, he was asking for twenty five thousand dollars to show up RFK Junior uh for events. If you wanted him to show up for an event, you could have paid him to
go anywhere pretty much to speak on one of his topics. But he wanted twenty five grand. You know, I don't know what his speaking fee is today, but that was, you know, the same amount of money that guess what he asked John Barber for that money when John tried to get him to come out and talk about his dad's you know, assassination twenty five thousand and John was almost going to raise it and try and bring him there to Vegas for that gathering. And then didn't. Oh my, but this five
hundred dollars amount, Yeah, this five hundred dollars amount. Yeah, he was like that twenty five grand, yeah, asked John Barbara. Yeah. Nessari just got a campaign and he's got pay for his own security. I guess he's paid like a couple of millions so far for that. Well, but there you go, Like if a guy like that is worried about having security and got to cover travel, I guess it does come up twenty five grand, right, because you got to have your security come with you and
everything else. But but look, these guys asking for five hundred dollars fees. This is not all that unusual because, like I said, it was the standard fee. And I know that from a couple of friends directly my my, a friend of mine, Frank Minucci. Guy he probably never heard of wash. He was on what he called HBO Mob Stories. That's the biggest famous thing that And he had a role in Carlito's Way. He he plays the gangster that they drowned off of the uh you know, in the
river there, off of the prison barge. And he's that gangster in that movie. But he was he was a Hell's angel and connected to some underworld people and this kind of thing. And he became a you know, one of these motorcycle riding preachers later in life. But and he was in the movie Ghost Dog with who was that guy? I forget who the who the guy was in that movie. The Ghost Dog is the name of the movie. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point is what's that was it the
movie Bretta? Did it have jasonos No? It was no, it was a It was a black guy. Let me look up the movie Ghost Dog real fast, because he was one of the but he and they offered him a role in the Sopranos at one point too. Huh yeah. I mean again, this was a guy who was a friend of mine. But when the when the National Inquirer came out to interview him to do a main story because uh, what do you call it? Barretta had called him up in
the middle of the night. Remember there was a story about Hollywood stuntman was approached to do the hit on Bretta's wife. That was my friend Frank Minucci. So the Inquirer came out to interview him, and that's the standard fee, five hundred bucks. And they did a big spread on him in the Inquirer. They came out to interview him in Whiting, New Jersey. He could probably still find the article line somewhere. But let's see Ghost Dog movie.
Let me find out who the star was. I know it's a name I should remember off the top of my head, and I can't remember who it was that was in it. Let's see Ghost Dog the Way of the Samurai with Forest Whittaker. That's who was in that movie. Sorry Forrest Whittaker nineteen ninety nine. Anyway, Brother Frank was a guy I knew, and that's the name of the book about his life. Brother Frank was a guy I knew around that time, and like I said, he had gotten a
couple of acting roles in this and that. But five hundred bucks is what the National Inquirer paid him to tell him about. You know, you know Bretta there calling him in the middle of the night asking him to kill his wife. So that's going on there, cause you know he's like, hey, I know, you know some heavy hitters, get me in touch with or maybe you want to do it. I need to get rid of my
wife. Yeah, so just saying yeah, But like these historical characters like the Rabbi back of he tried to get money from Professor Mellan, which she said, now because then it's worthless. That can't be considered evidence. Now, you know, that's some of a bit. He needs to go and talk in front of a federal job to give us a runout of his life.
The stuff he told Congress and returned for whatever tendency he was forced to perpetuate testimony to Congress, and once he was absolutely supposed to list everything dot every guy and make no mistakes. Well, the stuff he said earlier, there's a capture ditions, so right there, Oh he's going to talk.
Well, that's the thing they don't this conversation with uh with a researcher whose name you would you would immediately recognize recently about you know, look, it's one thing to sit down to dinner with a guy and pay for somebody's dinner to talk to him. It's one thing to like say, look, I'll pay my own travel expenses to come see you, or I'll pay for your
travel expenses to come see me. That kind of thing is acceptable. But once you start paying people for their testimony or whatever, it taints it automatically, because you know, now they've got to come up with something that's worthy of the fee that they charged you, you know, and and first of all, I can't afford that. But secondly, even if I could, would it be worth it to get you know, a creative story? Well, I just wanted the thousand dollars or I wanted the five hundred bucks or
what. Who the hell wants to do that? So you know, what, can I say? It is the reality of it. There are people out there that will ask for a fee for their testimony, and it is what it is. Anyway, Jimmy, look, I'm out of time because I've actually run over time tonight and I got to go do a couple other things. But I appreciate you for calling in, Thanks to Christopher calling in,
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