The Ochelli Effect 3-29-2024 Open Mic

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you want to, because it is the Friday night open mic. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six three one nine five two seven five zero one six. We went to air about five minutes late. Okay for

those of you on the live stream. For those of you who catch in the podcast, you don't care, but you can become part of the conversation and become part of that podcast later if you're hearing us live, just uh yeah, six minutes after eight pm Eastern here on what the host of what we used to call America is and uh yeah, indeed three one nine five two seven five zero one six, or reach out to me Charles dot ocelly

on Skype. Either way, you can become a part of the show along with my co host b Pete, who I got to check his volume mixed. I'm not sure if he's up loud enough or too loud or what. Uh. Something weird happen here, be Pete. How you doing tonight? I'm doing fun? Uh? Am I loud enough? Yeah, you're I need to speak out? No, no, no, you're a little loud in my headphones. Actually, so I'm gonna turn you down just a two. Do I need to talk softer? No, don't do that, just

regular volume. You're fine. Uh, I just need to make adjustments here apparently because something went quite a ray a rye before we went live. Uh you know, what are you gonna do? Happy good Friday to you? Oh yeah, right, well, geez, Easter's coming, isn't it? Yes? Sunday Sunday, Sunday, Sunday Easter. Right. Oh hey. I was on Blaze TV this morning at seven am, and I barely remember

waking up because I'm not a morning person. But Pat Gray Show was pretty interesting for two hours this morning because they had me as a guest and pretty much said answer as much of this stuff as you can as quickly as you can and you know I can talk. How did they come in cont how did they I mean, get a hold of you. Somebody just sent me a message on Twitter and was like, hey, you know, would you be interested in doing Blaze TV. I said, yeah, sure, you

know. And I didn't actually know which show it was or anything. They were just like, well, seven am on this date, and I said, okay, seven am, I gotta get up and I'm going to be on TV. I was not happy you've hung around, but well, Pat Gray, I'm wondering. You know, Pat Gray has kind of over the years, some people would say he has a personality that can be cantankerous. Let's say, and I always wonder he's on early. They don't carry him

all the radio stations that I listened to at work. Okay, I'm thinking, would he be less cranky if he was later in the morning. But Glenn has got the Prime from nine to dwelve taked, so Pat got to get up early. I wondered if that's some of the reason he's cranky. Well, it's too funny because I brought it up immediately out of the gate.

I was like, wow, it's awfully early for me. Pat, you know, I don't know how you guys are so energetic at this time, because before I went on, they were doing a bracket for the worst president of all time, like a sweet sixteen bracket and this and that, and Woodrow Wilson was in there. So I said, you know, look,

man, my sleeper pick is Woodrow Wilson. But they had you know, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Jimmy Carter all in the mix as to who the worst president is of all time, and they go into brackets, and I was like, I'm amazed that you guys are this energetic this early. And Pat kind of snapped at me a little bit. He goes, well, when you do it for a living, that's what you gotta do. I was like, okay, that's a good way to start off the interview. Back off, Pat, Hey, hang on name Pat. It

was taking an observation. Pat, kill the fuck out. I'm just telling you, I'm I'm tired. You know you're not. You're used to this. I'm not. I'm like, oh, dude, seven am. I Well you've seen me at seven am. Am I myself. Yet usually I might have looked at you at seven am. I may not have seen anything because I'm still asleep at that time. Yeah, see what I mean, So though I understand, I mean getting up for work. It's something that you do. Oh, speaking of work, you saw the fantastic bridge collapse

in Baltimore Dea. Oh god, Yeah, I was thinking to you when I saw that, which again, you guys can join in and talk about anything you want, if you want to go over the news of the week or whatever else. Totally open lines at three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six. Uh and yeah, we got like one hundred lines open there, so anybody can join us at any time and bring up anything. Uh. Yeah. No, I saw that video and that was all the rage on every news feed that day, right, yeah.

Yeah, But I have heard some of these TV I don't know host the data readers, you know, I don't know what to call them, have made some of the most ridiculous comments. One I saw this, it was a clip of a new segment that was discussing it, and the post on that goes, gee, I really can't believe that just hitting that one thing would cause the whole bridge to come down. And I'm thinking, you really

don't have any clues to how things work in this world. Do you you know the purpose of that column is to take all the forces of all that metal going in all those directions, with all those cars driving across it, and take it to a few set points that may contact with the earth, and that's how the whole thing is held up. Well, we take out one of the main ones, things are going to fall. I can understand how some people thought the collapse of buildings on nine to eleven was impossible because

they couldn't even understand how that bridge came down. Well, yeah, there's that. I mean, people don't even understand their own homes because I did, you know, when I was a teenager for a little while, I

did demolition work and sometimes we had to strip houses. So guess what somebody had to figure out where there were what we called load bearing walls and beams and things like this, right, And why are they called that, because, believe it or not, you take out this one beam, most of the house might collapse because of this one beam or this one wall, because a lot of times it is actually engineered to be the load bearing portion of the place. Right, So when people go stripping through I mean, I

always love these housing shows because nobody ever shows that part of it. You know, when they remodel houses, somebody's got to figure out which part of this thing is holding everything up, because at some point you take out the wrong stuff, it will fall down. Not everything is perfectly independent all the

time time. There are ways of doing it, but generally speaking, most things that are constructed have some pretty key points that, yeah, interesting, how if you take out this one thing it will literally and by the way, that's the business of people in demolition to know that stuff. Right. If you take out a certain section, you might indeed take out the whole building, just based on the fact that a lot of the pressure is actually on one portion of a building, whether it's a bridge or a high rise

or house. I mean, am I right or wrong? Vpede? I mean you have some engineering experience. Tell me I'm wrong about this. No, you're not. I don't understand those people that look at how that bridge is constructed. They see these towers coming up to a certain point, and then there's this big long span and a pilon that is sitting on, and then another long span and a pilon that is sitting on, and then another span, and it goes back to more of those columns as the elevation of

the road comes up. They don't understand that those three or two main columns out there on either side of the channel is supporting all of the emotion and weight of all the vehicles the road there, the steel of the bridge, gravity forces, wind forces are all directed to those points. And it's amazing that you can that you can find such a small area that can support that much weight and load. I mean, it is an engineering marvel. But

that's the thing again, This is about designing and engineering. And by the way, I claim to have no expertise. However, I do look at some of these things and say to myself, wouldn't it. Have I ever had a point of reference in my life where I've seen something where this structure could exist without, say that beam, right, if you take that beam out, you take that support structure out. Would have I ever seen anything

that looks like that? No, except in the case of a suspension bridge, which, by the way, the pressure is then on another thing, right, which again you take out the wrong part of that or the wind blows a certain way. You got to compensate for a bunch of stuff. I mean literally, when those buildings went high up and up in New York City, they had some sway built into them. They would actually sway when

the wind blew. Okay, So that was that was one of the arguments we used to get into these damn debates over the towers coming down as everybody's thinking that those were actually rigid structures. Yeah, and they were rigid in the sense that they had a massive amount of thet's say, bulk and counterbalance in the basements. The way these pilings and columns were started in the basement

and continued through the building. But the actual floor system and the steel lattice work on the outside were actually made to not only flex, but you know, people were talking about, well, how could all those floors collapse on each other? Well, it's because one end of the floors on every floor of one thousand feet every over one hundred floorst those floors floated on the outside edge to compensate for the building sway. They weren't rigidly connected like you would

find the steel lattice work of that bridge. But even so, well, how could the floor collapse? Well, because you had a buffer system in there. The sway of the building in the upper levels was actually compensated, and if you weren't, it's kind of like being on a boat. If you're on a bait all day when you first hit that solid dock and your legs kind of won a waiver. You're doing that all day in those upper

floors. So, no, it was rigid. It was a non rigid construction out of rigid materials, let's put it that way, and so those floors to fail, just like this bridge here. You know, you noticed the only parts that went in the water was the steel structure that was come from those vents. There was a roadway built up to a certain point that had embankment and concrete in the bottom of it, and then you got to

the point where you got to the suspension aspect. The only part of that bridge that came down was that that was suspended on the end beence and those piles out there in the middle of the river. That's the part that came down. And basically it was you hit that column with a boat that was loaded to the weight capacity equal to a Nimics class aircraft carrier. That's a bunch of freaking weight right right. Hey, listen, another quick announcement.

We're not going to have Aaron Franz live tonight at ten pm. From what I'm told, I don't know why, but he's not going to be able to make it. So, uh, we're We're also not going to go that far over tonight, So I will go a little over ten pm, but not much as we get out of here tonight. But so you got to join us early if you're going to get in on it tonight. Just letting you know. Three one nine, five, two seven five zero one six is the number to join. Uh. And you know, here we

go. I have one caller already. Maybe he wants to talk about the bridge. Maybe not, Maybe he's got other things on his mind. But one of our usual suspects, if you will, is on the phone, so let's go to him. Looks like Jimmy James is with us. Man, how you doing tonight? What's on your mind? Well, I don't know why you guys should tell him about that little bridge. It's I think the biggest story in the Nation's clearly gotta be tough, daddy, but the

devil's going on in there. I was gonna get to that next. You know, Uh, what about p Diddy? Right? I mean the raids from coast to coast. Uh, you know, the big flashy headline immediately he's like escaped to an island or something. Uh. And gee, there's people being arrested, there's electronic devices being confiscated as per usual. Uh uh, they're they're talking about trafficking, assault allegations, the lawsuits that came out

before, and now criminal investigations into Sean Combs. I don't know what to make of it. What do you make of it, Jimmy James? What did Jennifer Lopez know and when did she know it? Uh? Well, you know, I got a lot of jokes in mind there, but I'm not going to insert him here. B Pete, what are your thoughts on the Sean Combs thing? Have you been keeping track of it? And what

do you what do you think about this revelation? The Uh, he must have ticked off the wrong person for the FBI and Justice Department to go after him, mom, because he was, you know, for years, thought to be in that well protected class. But you know, since Harvey Weinstein went down, they got to have you know, they got to have a constant target. So I guess he's the crap dejure. You know, they're going to go after him, and then this will some stuff will be dismissed.

It's you know, it's just another distraction and the FBI has always got to get after somebody. I think the fun is, this seems way more like Epstein than Weinstein. I mean, this is huge, well but isn't well, but I'm saying it started it started as an Weinstein type accusation.

Once it started getting looked into, the rumors that have been going around for years and years and years finally started coming to the surface, and it was nothing more than you know, did he had his house wired just like Epstein did. He's got video and receipts on a lot of shady ship. Well, now they're getting to the bottom of who's on the tapes of the shady ship and tracking it down. So yeah, it's Epstein, Like I used Weinstein, This is a It originally started as a sexual as a complaint.

From there, it's going to end up being like that. I guess this is the urban version of xteen. I don't know. Well. And then there's the the drone or helicopter footage that I saw coming out of the arrests. I mean, I think a couple of his kids were actually handcuffed and put out on the lawn at the one residence there was that image. I don't know what. The TMZ has got an ind with somebody and they're getting a lot of footage and being able to pump it out there. Yeah,

they're getting it really quick. And of course TMZ would stay ahead on this story because that is the kind of story it is. But you know, how is it, you know, is it that we're in a different era or is this something where there was a you know, a pattern of abuse that went on a long time and he was just part of the protected class and now the protection has gone. And if so, why, I mean,

there's a lot of open questions here regarding this in my mind. You know, you guys might have different if you've been listening, if you've been listening to Williams and some of these other people that have been making comments about him, and really it's then since the Biggie Small's two Pac episodes, you know, people have always said this guy's connected. They'll take people out.

They've they've you know, they've had rappers come in, make all these recordings of them, get them on tape, and then somehow the rapper ends up dead and overdose or something, and now they got all this material. It's a thing that's been talked about, you know, behind certain doors for some time, and now it's finally coming to lights. So my question is who did he piss off that suddenly lost his he lost his protection, right.

And then there's the allegations of you know, and speaking to Kat Williams and these guys who make these statements about the Illuminati and the control of the entertainment business and stuff like that. Here we go, some of it almost being validated, right, because these tapes have come out now supposedly of Comb's having you know, relations with Meek Mill and whatever else. They're supposed be an audio tape floating around that's allegedly from him, you know, those two going

at it. Okay, I don't know where that came from. A lot of weird stuff, And yeah, there were guys making hints about this for a long time. I mean, everybody forgets Dave Chappelle was saying some weird stuff. And then they tried to say he was smoking crack and going to Africa, which you know, he said, Look, I went to Africa, but I wasn't smoking crack and I just needed a break from this business

because it's a dirty business. And then he stopped elaborating on at Chappelle and seemed to be allowed to still make a little That was that was right after he walked Yeah, that was right after he walked away from what was Comedy Central over his his gird call his program, and they offered him me and then he left it on the table and said, screw it. I'm not doing this crap. You know, it's my show and without me, it's

you don't have the show. So he said, screw this. And it was right after that that they started all the stories trying to take down Dave Chappelle. And that's when he said, the hell it is, I'm going to Africa for a while and blow this thing off. I mean, yeah, but they were actually putting the things out there that, oh yeah, he was on drugs, he lost his mind, he was incoherent and you know, he was crazy. They've done it to several performers, but Kat

Williams, I'm gonna be honest with you. Say what you want about Kat Williams. Cat Williams is his own man. He's one of the few in entertainment that is not well. He works a deal. He works a deal for one hundred percent of it. All of those specials out there that he's done, he has produced himself. He owns those. He he doesn't cowtow to anybody. And I would take his word on a lot of things because he's got the receipts to back it up. Yeah, absolutely, I know.

I love Kat Williams. And here's the thing again, there is the trope in black entertainment even where there's this idea that you know, look, if you want to get you want to get to the top of the industry, what you got to do is you got to dress like a woman and you got to go out and do this. You got to do the gender bending thing. You have to humiliate yourself, you know, and then behind the scenes you got to kiss the ring and other things. And you know,

here we go. There's been these dark allegations for a long time that most people have dismissed. Right, But you know what, when you dig enough and to the entertainment business at all, I'm going to tell you I don't care what race they're from, what ethnicity they're allegedly part of. There is a dirty and dark area in entertainment all the way from you know, Disney to Porno. It is not a pretty thing that pumps out most of your entertainment out there. I mean, it's just the reality of it.

Even when I've come close to you know, just being a mile away from people that are connected in the entertainment business, you know, you're dealing with people that do not live in the same world as the majority of us. I mean, it's literally a direct idea about how there came an elitist class right there that's out in public, that has their servants, that has their useful idiots, that has their assets out there doing their bidding one way or

another. And some people boil that all down to just a massive mind control project right where they say, you know, it's all about controlling the youth and directing each generation as they go through through their entertainment, et cetera, et cetera. And I mean all the way back to the days when Bill Cosby was making accusations about how, you know, why is it that criminals

are being glorified in the black community. He spoke out a certain way, and look what happened to him eventually, is he part of the dark business or did the dark business come up and bite him. I still reserve judgment on Bill Cosby, unlike most people, you know. But then I'll say this, chuck, he didn't get a fair trial. I mean that was kind of all lead to political trial to the moment, same time, listen, But the same time, if you're somebody that assaults or exploits people or

takes advantage of them with drugs, absolutely you should be jailed. Okay, I believe in that. But do I believe all of the stories about Bill Cosby. No, something is amiss there, and the fact that they went after him when they did, and how they did it, and you know, he's convicted, then he's released. I mean, there is something way fishy about the Bill Cosby story that probably goes way deeper into a direction that nobody has actually spiked the vein on just yet. Jimmy James, wouldn't you

say that? That's about what it looks like to you. Yes, And I think it's a shame that no one will, no kind of attorneys or anything will look the finger to look into this situation, because it's just like you said, it stinks. Uh, you know what he said, it himself. This is an attempt to destroy me and my legacy for what what's

the purpose? What's going on? Yeah? And look two things could be simultaneously true too, right where you know, indeed they went after him and normally they wouldn't have gone after a guy like this, because that's another element of it. I think there's some guys that are allowed to get away with this stuff for their entire lives. And what do you do you read about it after they're dead. Okay, so nobody can be held accountable once all

their accomplishments are Yeah, where was Cosby tried? You know, was that in New York? Where Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, or maybe not Philly but Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania? Yeah, okay, Pennsylvania. Did they have one of those laws like New York where they temporarily suspended the statute of limitations and allowed women

to make claims. Because he had had a claim earlier, there was a lawsuit, and in the settlement of that lawsuit, you know, he pretty much came clean about a lot of crap, and then they turned around and prosecuted him for the stuff that was released in those depositions. With that civil lawsuit and That's how he got released. They overturned the conviction because they weren't.

Part of the deal was that if he came clean on some things, they couldn't prosecute him for it. What I don't understand is how they ended up prosecuting him for it when they weren't supposed to. Who let that go on? And I was wondering if Philadelphia had one of those rules where a separate person came up and made a claim, you know, after this settlement that he had, and in discovery, they were allowed to get in there

and get that information from that prior case. I don't know how that happened, but it was a very very screwy way that they were able to get him into court knowing full well it was illegal the whole time. Yeah, I don't have the you know, I don't have the details in front of me at the moment, so I wouldn't swear to it. But that does

sound about right. It seems as though they rewound some stuff, made some special you know, dispensations you're regarding normal process on this, and went after him for it, and then he was released, which was weird, you know, but strangely because Trump, well That's why I was asking whether it was New York or Philadelphia, because in New York they that's what caused the problem with Trump's lawsuit with that what E. E. J. Carroll,

whatever her name is, was the fact that they temporarily suspended statute limitations, and that's when she filed her lawsuit against Trump. Otherwise she'd have never been able to do anything about it because it was so long ago, and she didn't do anything about it when it happened. So I was wondering if maybe that might have been the same situation in Pennsylvania, or was Cosby in New

York when this suit was filed and prosecuted. I wasn't sure. Yeah, I believe it was in Pennsylvania. And the thing is the reason why it's easy to confuse is because Cosby was like in across the street neighbor to Jeffrey Epstein in New York anyway, which is another odd thing. Okay, he's in the same neighborhood as Epstein, by the way, the New York house

if you will, or the New York property right. And again I'm not saying Cosby's clean, but was he the villain that he was made out to be where there's thirty forty women I think came out eventually, right, I don't know. I don't think he was. Yeah, and apparently it went

on for what they were like, sixty women to the Planet's absurd. Well, it becomes absurd because I mean, you know, you're telling me that nobody reports anything from you know what the nineteen seventies to now, you know, when he was at the earlier part of his career where his stand up was still huge, you know, and all that kind of stuff before the Cosby Show. But again, I have this sneaking suspicion that maybe he you know, maybe again, maybe he wasn't clean, but he wasn't as dirty

as they made him out to be. And maybe there's some you know, smoke and a little bit of fire there. But is it really as bad as they made it out to be. I don't think so. And by the time they do go after him, he's an old man. I mean, you know, come on, anyways, So Jimmy, anything else you want to add? I mean, yeah, the p Diddy story is huge this week, but still developing the way I see it. I mean,

even with TMZ being up to the minute with its video. A lot of details yet to be known regarding that case, So, you know, still up in the air. Is this a guy again who was just you know, thought that he was immune and just did whatever he wanted. I guarantee there's some bad behavior in there. Like I said, entertainment industry, you get a bad behavior card as soon as you get some success. Now,

how far can you take it? You know? Do you wind up being the stand up comedian that exposes himself to female el comedians, you know, which is not exactly a large group. Or are you the guy who is going coast to coast and picking up women to abuse and dumping them off somewhere with a couple thousand dollars and then thinking that you're rid of them, and maybe you are, and later on being sued in court. I don't know, you know, I don't know how deep this goes or if it is

indeed a valid thing that's happening to Sean Combs. What do you suspect Jimmy before we go ahead and maybe either take a break or take another call, or what do you suspect? Well, I suspect that he is a pervert who became a very rich pervert and has continued his preferred tree. Oh I guess Kuda Kuba Gooding Junior was then on it too. What about that part? Yeah? Well there I'm thinking is a little bit of mistaken eye identity

when it comes to Cuba Gooding Junior. Because I'm never who has been identified before sexually a self dude, So this is right up as ally, I don't know. Well, look again, I reserve judgment until I see really good solid evidence, right, I mean, the accusation is not enough for the prosecution in my mind. Ever, Okay, I always say, okay, you got an accusation Trump, Uh no, less Trump, and then

you assume guilt until proven No, not true. Actually the only time I assumed guilt until proven innocent is with his business dealings if he was shady, yeah of course. But outside of that, uh, you know, like like this whole did he you know, misappropriate and do do the misvaluing of stuff and all that? Yeah? Absolutely, But when it comes to all this other stuff where it's really you know, one person's word against another and you know it's forty years later, No, I don't necessarily jump right to

it. I say, bring me some evidence. But the idea that his business dealings were, you know, always dishonest. Yeah, absolutely, I see no evidence to the contrary ever. But but on the other hand, when it comes to a lot of this other stuff not necessarily true, which by the way, I got an interesting audio clip I'm gonna play in a little bit, but I'm gonna put you on hold, Jimmy, because I got another caller. Want to get to them before we go to a break,

So gonna put John hold. And no, I don't always assume at automatic guilt with Trump unless you're telling me it's dishonest business dealings. In that case, of course, and why not. He always got away with it. Doesn't matter if anybody was hurt, not, if he gained money he shouldn't have, it doesn't matter because it's just the way things have always been. Yeah, So there, I make assumptions, But when it comes to everything else, not necessarily no, no, no, I want evidence when

it comes to accusing people of things criminally anyway. So I got another caller here, looks like the nine on six area code. You're live, and we're gonna we're gonna let you throw something on the table before we go to breaks. So who's calling? This is Danny. Oh, Danny, I appreciate you had Charlie Robbins on that was really good, and he's hinted at the Bush administration with the octopus and remember the underage prostitutes in the White House.

Yeah, how does that happen? Yeah, well that's a whole other thing. And you got to get into the Franklin cover up and uh, you know, go go through all that material, the savings and loans and all those people that were connected to that stuff. Oh. By the way, you know banks use computers, just saying, uh, does this have anything to do with anything? When you got this you know, backdoor software

that can get into every system. It seems like in the uh, you know, in the eighties and nineties probably you know, it makes perfect sense the banks would use stuff like that to do, what check your background, make sure that you're economically viable, and all that good stuff, right, Danny. So you know again, I I don't claim to be well researched

on the octopus honestly, uh really almost a casual observer on it. But I find it fascinating and I do think that that there needs to be more examination of what happened to Danny Castilliro, because there you go with another suicide that is really really bizarre. And some people would say suicides are always bizarre, and I have experience with that, but uh, you know, it's it's a tough call, man. I I don't know what to say except

that I'm sure Danny was murdered. As for why it's difficult to parse out as for these uh weird nexuses or nexuses of criminal conspiracies. Uh, and the weird characters like that, you know, nut Racono, Schudo and stuff. Yeah, those kind of people are exactly who's involved in this stuff. But it's weird. These are the assets that the uh you know, the the connected weird tissue in the darkness do get together intelligence agencies, organized crime,

blind spots. When it comes to law enforcement, all of this does culminate in things like the octopus. So I don't know what's worthy of looking

into. And it goes all the way up and down. And I urge you to remember Sellly Castillo, who had on the show, you know, the DA agent who his bosses, even though he was an undercover operative, let him go out even though there was a hit out on him, seeing if they could just get him killed in the field, right, pin a badge on his pina metal on his corpse, and be done with him.

Because why he had the balls to walk up to George hw Bush face to face and tell him, you know, some of your DEA agents down here are actually trafficking the drugs, mister Vice president, And you know, according to Selly's account, George hw Bush smiled at him and walked away. So you know, what can I say about the Bush crime syndicate? Not much that you don't already know anyway, Danny, any other thoughts, that's pretty

much. That'sh it right now. I mean this, this stuff's kind of as old as time, you know, and you know, getting somebody compromised. But growing up in a small community, always knew there was always suspect people. And I agree with what Jimmy said. He's a pervert that got got rich and famous and you know that he could get away with anything.

See now, I didn't get that impression when in the nineteen nineties there was a meeting of musicians and people that were involved in production in New York City with a guy who was just basically getting bad Boy records off the ground. And I was at a meeting like this, and I met this guy actually, you know, And back then he was more pretending to be a big star and renting all his stuff, you know, they old, uh, we rent the yacht for the rap video and we pay all the girls to

show up and look enthusiastic. He was still in that stage of bad Boy Records, and Biggie Small's death definitely springboarded him forward. There's something to be said about that if you remember what b Pete was saying. You know, Chris Wallace, the rapper from New York, right, you know, And and that was a weird time. And by the way, does anybody still know who killed Biggie? Maybe we know who killed Tupac now, but does anybody know who killed Biggie Smalls yet? Not to my knowledge. Anyways,

Yeah, there's a lot there and a lot of possibilities. But the guy I saw back then was one of these guys who calls himself a producer or promoter and rents everything and tries to look like a big shot when he's got no money in the bank. Is what was going on at a certain point.

And then the next thing I knew is he was, indeed, you know, making it after faking it, you know, in public and all so, and that was based on Asbury Park connection back then to the entertainment business, which I think the only thing that really spawned from that later on is what Wendy Williams got in on the entertainment business. She was from Asbury

Park as well. But I mean, really the whole thing there was gonna be a whole like hip hop movement that was going to come out of Jersey and they were going to mix in and do these crossover cross genre stuff with a lot of people who had access to different things and rock musicians and all that. And a little while later, like I said, you know, the tribute to Biggie Small's right, what was it rapping over a police song?

You know? And Sean Combs makes his name right then and there, big, big, big, and you know, people could argue with me about the trajectory there, but Bad Boy Records was something that started with just about nothing and somehow made it, you know. So I don't know, I got mixed feelings about it. But is he possibly one of these guys sure can you get corrupted in the entertainment business? You know? Was he like that before he got in. Maybe was he like that after he got

in? Probably because that's what it does to you anyway. Like I said, you almost get a free pass card to some degree for some debauchery as soon as you get some success in the entertainment industry. I mean, it's just fact to life. So I don't know, I don't know what to make of this story. But Danny here, you know, you might be right though, he could be just this could be the tip of the iceberg, and he is just you know, an abuser of other human beings that

now needs to be caught. Maybe that's true. And the fact that he ran and you know, while they're raiding his houses, it doesn't look good. But then again, if you get even the slightest heads up and you don't run, you know, who the hell are you. I would definitely try to evade being in custody, especially, you know, especially two things, one if I'm certainly guilty and the other if I'm certainly innocent. If it's somewhere between, I don't run, you know, because well we got

to sort it out. But I'm thinking a guilty man runs and an innocent man runs equally. But that's the way I see it. If you have the resources, and clearly he still had some that they had not locked down. Because see that's the other thing I think, if the FBI really wants to lock you down, they make moves to shut off your means of escape beforehand. You know, seizures at banks things like that. Good. Yeah, yeah, that's really puzzling. It's like here the NV two houses,

and how does he escape? I mean, don't you think that they know this is coming down? They've got some maytail in them, or somebody inside maybe you know, kind of informed them. It's just odd, right. And meanwhile, like I said, you know, clearly he couldn't get everybody loose because his own children at the one property were handcuffed on the lawn. You know from the TMZ footage that I saw, that's what it looked like. So I doubt he left these children and hung him out to dry.

But but they were taken into custody while they were seizing electronic devices, records, everything else. So again it's a developing story, right, So who knows where it'll be by next week? You know, Oh, happy Easter, everybody, you know, good Friday, Good Friday, it is. But by the time some people hear this on the podcast, you know, happy Eastern. So anyway, anything else on your mind, Danny, not at the moment. If I think there was something, bring it back and

I'll try to interject fair enough. What I'll do is I'll put Danny on hold, and he's on hold with Jimmy James and you listening out there if you're hearing his live, which is let's see, it looks like almost eight forty four pm Eastern right now in America or what we used to call America where I'm sitting in Georgia. Anyway, it's about that time, eight forty

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Yeah, that's try. A judge granted him an extension on his bond and cut it more than in half to one hundred and seventy five million dollars. How's he going to raise all that money? Well, last week I predicted to be commemorative plates turns out I wasn't thinking trailery enough. That's right. I know he's gonna partner with Lee Greenwood to offer a new line of Trump branded God Bless the USA Bibles. Damn, it's like a mad live

designed to make your papa's waaner move a little bit, ain't it? I assume in the Trump Bible, Jesus is the first American who found the Republican Party, turns water into black rifle coffee, and magically armed was a whole crowd of his followers with only five ars and two mad clips. Halo your price. Lord. Anyway, here we are back with the show that was Trey Crowder the liberal Redneck. And uh, I found that funny this week on my YouTube Pede because that came up and I've never seen it before.

Uh, you guys might have heard of him before. But anyway, there's a whole series of crazy stuff that he's done online, et cetera, et cetera. It is what it is, all right. So here we are back with the Friday Night open mic. My co host p Pete is with me. We've had a couple of callers join us, but you can join in too at three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six three one nine, five two seven five zero one six and uh, we can get to anything you have on your mind so far, puff daddy,

right, Bill Cosby? What happened to the bridge this week? Well we we kind of got off of that pretty quick. But hey, that was a big story. And what else has gon going on? Uh? Lewis Gosa Jr. Died? Anybody noticed that? B Pete? Did you notice that one? Did you see that? Lou Gossa Junior died? No? When did that come out? I think yesterday? I got to look it up, but no, I had heard about that. Joe Lieberman passed

away. I did catch that one. Joe Lieberman as well. Okay, I didn't see that, but he was part of the no Labels party. Uh, just recently out there? Yeah, good, one of the founders of that who passed away two days ago or yesterday? It was yesterday. Well, let's see according to the AP. Let's look at the AP news feed because they have some story put out four hours ago. Uh. The first black man to win Supporting Actor Oscar and Emmy Award winner for his role

in the seminal TV mini series Roots has died. He was eighty seven. Goss it's uh first. Cousin Neil L. Gassa, told the Associated Press that the actor died in Santa Monica, California. A statement from Oh, come on, ap, stop popping up with please pay us, leave me alone. Let's see anyway. A statement from the family said Gossip died Friday morning. No cause of death was revealed. Gossip's cousin, remember the man who walked with Nelson Mandela and who also was a great joke teller, a

relative of fast and fought racism with dignity and humor. All Right, they're gonna go back to him, you know, being early on black successful actor. But I remember him in the movie? Was that an officer and a gentleman? Was it called the Richard Gear Movie? Right, wasn't that it? And yeah, he's like the tough drill inspector, drill instructor. But Gossip Junior has a huge resume, you know when it comes to movies,

TV again. Even the article mentions that he was part of the Cat's cast of Roots, you know, along with the guy who played Jordie LaForge on Star trek lebar Burton Lubar Burton. Yeah, wound up doing reading Rainbow and uh yeah, and Jordi l Forge on Star Trek Uh. He was good to Kenta in Roots and they also did a continuation of that series too,

right, Roots too or Roots the continuation later. I don't know if gas It was in that one, but he was in the original Landmark TV series, which was interesting in the seventies anyway, is what it is, was what it was. And Lou Gassa Junior ain't here no more. And you said Joe Lieberman passed away as well, huh yeah. And it's funny. I just read a article where they had offered Chris Christy to run under the no labels bout that and he said no, thank you. So I don't

know if they're just going to completely fuld Pop. McCrory left that organization here, what about three weeks ago maybe, oh announced he was stepping down. So I'm wondering if Joe Lieberman's health he had a fall and died from complications resulting from that. So I'm wondering if McCrory saw the han righting on the wall, thought Lieberman did wasn't much left for the world, and figured it was time to get gone. Now I'm wondering how much further. This no

Labels unit will go without the leadership that they had. I mean Joe Lieberman, like him or not, he is an interesting guy. I mean, he eventually left the Democrat Party the last term, and he was an independent. So you know, he had a party in the ways, with a party that he was with his whole political life. You wonder what went on there. Well, it seemed to me as though he had drifted far away from the Democratic Party all the way around. I mean, whether you're talking

classic Democrat or this current incarnation of insanity. Either way, he was definitely not in on the joke most of the time. I mean, he had a whole different He just didn't fit. I always found it strange that he was a Democrat to begin with. I thought he needed to be a president. I mean, excuse me, he needed to be independent. I meant

to say. The reason why I said president is because I was looking at the article from two days ago on CNN where it says Joe Leiberman, the first Jewish vice presidential nominee of a major party, who's conscience and independent streak later led him on a journey away from his home in the Democratic Party. He died at eighty two. According to a statement from his family, the former Connecticut senator passed away Wednesday due to complications from a fall in New York.

As Bpete said, his wife hadassa and members of his family were by his side. So there is that. And also I took another piece of news, you know, thinking no labels people thought that maybe RFK Jr. Might give give it a whorld a no labels party, But he's not going there. He has selected a vice presidential running mate for a candidacy that I

don't think is going to get on the ballot in most places anyway. According to the AP again Oakland, California, I see when was this published on the twenty sixth Robert F. Kennedy Junior chosen Nicole Shanahan on Tuesday to be his vice presidential pick, adding a wealthy but nationally unknown figure to his independent White House bid. That's trying to appeal to voters disaffected by a rematch of the twenty twenty selection. Excuse me election, Mike Waul Anyways, Yeah,

all of this happened this week. Just saying people die. You also have you also have Sam bankmin Frees ended up getting sentencedru twenty five years. He's got to reimburse eleven billion on his little crypto scam. Oh yeah, right, the the the eleven billion dollars. You know, these these movements in the court are astronomical amounts of money. I mean that were unheard of only a couple of years ago. You know, people used to talk about well this, yeah, well, you know, yes, the award against Trump

was something that's completely out of left field. But this, I mean, what he's paying back is basically, he paid eleven billion in forfeitures. But I'm trying to find out the total amount that he scammed people, right, because it's supposed to go back for compensation. So I mean, he's I really wouldn't call his surrender an astronomical amount. It's only astronomical in that we're dealing with cryptocurrency, not you know, regular Federal Reserve notes. No,

I understand how much did made Off get? How many years did Madeoff get for his little spiel? Twenty years, twenty five years? Well, made Off is the example everybody goes to. But I noticed that nobody seems to remember the actual sentencing. And to be fully honest, let me go ahead and take a look and see what I can pull up, because I know I have something on this kind of loaded in my browser at one hundred and fifty years. One hundred and fifty years. Yeah, I remember that part.

But what was the financial part of it? I don't remember. Let's see see sick Okay, let's see. Ponzi scheme was worth an X estimated's sixty five or no? Is that eight eighty five billion dollars? I didn't think it was that big. Yeah, okay, yeah it was huge. Yeah, I don't remember it being that large. See. But that's the thing is. Look, the only reason why I said it's astronomical is not because it's unfair, but it's just that nowadays you hear about lawsuits in the

billions with a bee. You hear about you know, recompense being made in the billions nowadays, when you know, in the old days, I used to hear people speculate all the time. Well, you just want your million dollar lawsuit. You know, a million dollars was a lot of money at one point, and nowadays when it comes to lawsuits, not so much anymore. You know, the big money lawsuits have a bee behind them. How

long will it be before the first trillion dollar lawsuit settlement is made. You know, is there a trillion dollar lawsuit settlement in the card somewhere regarding I don't know, maybe somebody sues Apple and goes after him for a trillion dollars because they're worth a trillion dollars, right, or at least they were at one point. There's a couple of companies out there worth a trillion dollars, some people that are probably trillionaires that we don't you know, probably smart enough

to not allow themselves to be reported on as being that rich. But I guarantee you there's trillionaires out there, and maybe we see that coming soon. You know, here's a trillion dollars. That was one of the points made by some commentator I was listening to, was talking about Trump's four hundred and fifty five million. You're looking at half a billion dollars basically in having to

float a bond for that amount. And it's funny, but they just announced, you know, they're going to go public with his truth social platform. And they said if this was delayed to where they if they had waited to make the decision, know, they decided to reduce it to what one hundred and million, one hundred and fifty million, something like that, one hundred

seventy five. I think they decided to resinduce it to that. But this commentator said, if they don't make a decision and this gets pushed back and Trump's social platform goes public, what they're predicting he's going to make based off the initial price of the public offering and the number of shares that he has, that he would have the value in that alone to well cover the four hundred and fifty five million bond. Yeah, do you have to shake that

much? You know? Look, oh you want four hundred and fifty million dollars, No problem, you got change in my three billion that I just made. Yeah, why not? And it could be that somebody strategically will say at some point, well, you know, cost of doing business, pay it off, get rid of it. Add a clause to it that says, shut the hell up already. Uh, I mean I don't know. No, you can't do that. Well, you can do that, but as you can see by his shut the hell up, don't say anything

about it to Stormy Daniels. That's coming back to Biden in the ass in court. So even a non disclosure agreement is illegal now according to some district attorneys. Well, Michael Abnati was the progenitor of a lot of the attention that got on that, and look where he ended up in prison himself. So you know, I look again, a lawyer, I don't believe. Yeah. Well that's the other thing is why do I care about it so much? I don't. It's a lawyer, so it's not like it's a

person, you know, on the first hand. On the second hand, look at that guy. He was clearly a shyster. I mean, you know, he was a shyster that was sort of entertaining for a minute, but that's it. You know, he's a lot more interesting thing. Not only has he entertained, but you had the whole left stream media just fawning

over the guy. He could run for president. Oh he's this, he's that, and then come to find out he's just another seister lawyer and ended up going to jail over it. And you know, everybody wants to remind the Rachel Mattiles of the world that, hey, you guys were sitting here pumping this guy up for as long as you can get any use out of him, and now you want to talk smack. Hey, wait, does Madow still have a show? By the way, Yeah, does Mattow still

have a show? By the way, she has not made a headline in a minute. She was Yes, she still has a show. She was one of the most vocal ones against Mitt Romney's daughter, Ronald McDaniel, a former head of the RNC, going to work there. She was one of the loudest. Well, she'll never be on this program because all she did

was gaslight Americans. And I'm sitting here thinking, how long did you push the Russian narrative on your show and you still are allowed to You got I mean, hell, you're talking about a network with a program with Al Sharpton. My god, what kind of ethics does that damn place have? Give me a break. Yeah, and he's still, I swear to you. Look nothing about his politics. You don't have to know a thing about it. Just look at him. He looks like a bobblehead version of himself.

Now, really weird looking Al Shore. I don't know why it is he's still on TV for that fact alone. Uh, maybe it's just me and maybe if Joy Reid, if Joy Reid can sit up there with a two pay mocking Donald Trump's hairdoo, but anything is possible. On MSNBC, that's the biggest bunch of nutbags I have ever seen congregate in one lobby and they give them all a microphone. And it started with Lawrence o'donald and the rest of the way back when who I don't know. I can't believe that station

is still on the air. It's really I cannot believe they can get any advertising on that damn network anywhere, and they still do. It is a weird collection of characters. And again when I when I'm feeling good and you know, sato mastochistic, I go, okay, let's bounce back and forth between MSNBC and Fox just to see if I'll get myself aheadache quick, and I do. It works every time, because it's just, you know, it's bizarre to watch the two bookends of the situation going at it. But

well, get ready for election day because you're gonna see. I'm wondering if when Trump wins, and I heard a pundon say the other day, he's either got to win by a land If he doesn't win by a landslide, then the election is questionable, meaning that if he doesn't win by an outright landslide, the left to manipulate it if it's close. Well, here's what I predict. No matter if he wins or not, they're going to dispute the election no matter how much he wins by And I think the other side

would do exactly the same. I really do feel like that's the way it's going to go. And who in the right mind is going to vote for Joe Biden anyway? So, I mean, if he wins, I'm done even trying to declare anything legitimate about elections. There is no way that Joe Biden should win this election. There's just no way. Donald Trump, or how the hell do you playing in when in the last one, the last one, I think people, seriously, what what do you think it was

on the last one that allowed him to beat Trump? Do you think it was that the changing of rules and regulations in these states because of COVID added anything to the possibility that it could have been tilted one way or another. I mean, you explained to me how they held Joe Biden win over Trump the last time. Yeah, because the people that still haven't figured that out. Yeah, the people that stayed at home and utilized those mail in ballots.

I mean, regardless of what numbers they reported, I'm almost willing to bet were mostly on the alleged left and all voted for Biden as an anti Trump vote. Uh so, I believe that if it's the mail in votes that really did it. But you know, all these controversies and calculations, and you know who stole what part of what election? At this point, I think it's all questionable. You know, But but but but I don't

know. That's the thing I don't live. I don't understand how, if if Trump, How is Trump so far ahead that he's gonna win this election hands down? But yet lost it and it was close. I'll give it that it was close. I don't see how Biden could have won the last election without something being manipulated. Well, see, I throw up a coin and say, I'm not sure about last time. I'll be honest with you,

But this time I'm gonna tell you this. If Biden wins, then you're looking You're looking at at a sham, You're looking at bs because there's no way nobody Again, this is the thing that I observed with Hillary Clinton right in twenty sixteen, which you know, nobody wanted to admit to in the regular media. She didn't have a chance because nobody wanted to enthusiastically support

her. Who in the hell in their right mind is enthusiastically supporting Joe Biden seriously outside of a couple of late night comedians, who is supporting him Nobody? By the way, he's got ads every five seconds begging for five bucks too, you know, like Trump is trying to sell you all his swag. Biden's just out there going, look, we need your money, folks, we need your money, We need your money. On YouTube every five seconds, I'm getting those ads along with my Trump ads. So you know,

it's already started. And by the bye, it's only what not even April yet, uh coming up next week what April Fool's day after Easter, and you know six days after that my birthday. Uh, so you know it is what it is at the beginning of April, all right, and we're deep into the elections selection nightmare already. So anyway, join us in

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should we go back through the phone lines? I got still Jimmy and Danny hanging on there, and uh, I don't know, maybe there was another caller popped up quick and disappeared. Quick call back in if you had troubles reconnect, it'll work. Three one nine five two five zero one six. Yeah, I'm I'm sorry. I didn't mean to walk over the number. They're not as going to say. You can bring them on and ask him that question, and can they explain how find won the last one but is

going to lose this one? Hands down? Well, why he's gonna lose this one hands down? I think is easy to see. I mean, we're all suffering, are we not? I mean, do you know anybody that's doing well? I mean, that was my point with Swanson last night. I haven't released the podcast yet, but that was my point with Swanson last night, where they're giving us all these rosy things about the economy. You know, the inflation is going down, this is going better, people's

wages are up. And I'm like, where see, it's the same thing when they were telling me about the economic recovery post two thousand and eight. Everything's recovering, everything's getting better. And I'm like, for who, okay, because I didn't know what, buddy, that was having an improved experience here in the American experiment, the American economy, I knew nobody that was. I couldn't find legitimate reports about it except for media talking heads and people

telling us about the financial and what did people do? They said, well, you know, because of my feeling about things, this is the way it was going. No, the reality sets in. I don't see how Biden can win at all coming up? So you know, you want to know about the past selection or the one coming up, be Pete or both? Yeah, the past. You know the difference between the last one and this one. If if Trump can't, if Biden can't win, now Hobby win the last one? Okay? Well, see my question is if Trump

lost last time, why is either runaway win or this time? And I think I just answered that, but he should be the winner the way it looks right now, unless something really really bizarre comes out of left field. Here, I'm figuring he wins. And by the way, you know, none of this hand ringing and nonsense is gonna matter because he'll be president. And how do you you know arrest the president? You don't, so you

know, there it is. But I'll ask Jimmy about that. Yeah, I'm sure he's got something to say since he was first up on the board and anybody else three one nine, five two seven five zero one six, And we'll get to Danny after Jimmy and ask him the same question. So Jimmy in case somebody else joins, though, I'm gonna jump to them next in between you and Danny. But you're up first. Bro. Uh you want to answer be Pete's query? Yes, I do. We'll go for

it. I've always I've always said that the twenty twenty election was a sham and a scam, just the immediate coverage, which was we now know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, working in league with the literal CIA and MI five and MI six to restrict posts by American citizens in regards to the elections, and then on the elections. He had two and and a half million what's called bullet ballots. Bullet ballots two and a half million, there's

normally like three. So yeah, this thing the Democrats are the nonsense their beginnings. They know how to steal elections. We all know about Landside Landslide, Lyndon Johnson, we all know about the Kennedys nineteen sixty allegations, this, that and the other thing. But what they did last time was just really open court and everyone laughed at the two thousand mules things. And yet you're using the exact technology to arrest people, still arrested people over the January

sixth practice. This is idiotic. Yes, I think America is finally at large agreed on at least one thing we all don't like. Joe Biden being president looks that way, doesn't it, you know? But here we go. What are we going to see in November? I still say I don't know, but I see no other way at this point in time than Trump winning succeeding in retaking the office. Now what happens after that, you know, we'll see, and I'm not looking forward to it. That's my opinion.

But that's just my opinion. I guess, b Pete, what do you got to say about what Jimmy just said. I Uh, something was screwy about that election. I just I don't care what anybody says. You call me an election denyer all you want, but something was screwy about that whole damn situation with the You know, after the fact, everybody was claiming,

well two thoughts on that one. Yes, I think there was some fishy crap going on, and I know for a fact that's been proven after the fact that a lot of state legislatures and that were gone around by election boards across the country that started making changes to policies that should have legally been decided by the legislatures. That aside, you also had a huge effort by

media and like Jimmy said, government agencies. When you go to the intelligence agencies to start pumping out propaganda before an election, and then somewhere in our government, somebody should be prosecuted for something, because that's the first thing that you're not supposed to do, is get involved in politics. You can't say that the government agencies haven't been weaponized by certain administrations. You know, we

hear a lot about from pundits. Now, oh, if Trump gets elected, he's going to, you know, seek revenge against his political enemies. Well, you know that comes from the left. And all you have to do is when the left makes a declaration is look and see that they're practicing that as they speak. They're the worst at projection because when they do their projections, it's blatant that they're doing the same thing that they're going to accuse

Trump of doing when he gets in. You can't tell me that there's not some damn connection between the federal government going after people. I saw a video today of a woman I think in Oklahoma. Pre FBI agents show up at her house and want to discuss a Facebook post with her, and she's filming the whole thing. And when she goes outside to talk to them in her yard and ask for them to show their ideas that she's filming this, they refuse to do it, but they recommend, since she doesn't want to discuss

it, to contact the Oklahoma field office. And she says, Okay, who do I need to get in contact with? They said, all you have to do is call and give them your name and they'll find the person that you need to speak with and I'm thinking she's so well known in the Oklahoma field office over a Facebook post that all she has to do is call in and give her name and then go straight to the agent that's handling that case. Something's mighty damn fishy. Yeah, well, and that's what we're

being subjected to as citizens. That you might have three plain clothes FBI agents. And that's the funny thing. They show up. They're not wearing their T shirts, they're not wearing their jacket that says FBI. They're dressed in plain clothes with a clipboard and some papers, and they flash some credentials when she answers the door, and she says wait a minute, and shuts the door, gets her phone, starts filming, and walks outside, and then

they refuse to show her their credentials. Again. You can't tell me that something's been not being weaponized against the damn populous when they start pulling this shit over a Facebook post. A Facebook post. Well, look, mister k I cannot play the audio clip you sent me. It doesn't work, by the way, So if you want to re send that over or send me the source link, I'll play it on the air. But I'm not sure about it, and it's supposedly related to the sean Combe situation. But send

it over to me again and I'll play it anyways. No, look, I hear you, and Jimmy hung up. Let's go to Danny on the phone though, and see what he's got to add to this. And uh, Danny, Uh yeah, you heard the conversation. Not my opinion here. You heard the conversation for a bit. Go ahead. I sure have

a couple thoughts. I'm probably the left of more of your average Democrat, and I've fought with a lot of my liberal friends in the twenty sixteen election, I never bought into the Reigate conspiracy, and as far as with my conservative friends in twenty twenty, I says Trump lost by the same system that Hillary lost. And even in twenty sixteen, Hillary won the popular vote that she lost in some key swing states. And if you even go back,

I think is in twenty eleven it was Shelby versus Holder. Multiple parts of the Civil Rights Voting Act was removed, which benefited a lot of these red states and the states that were contestants twenty twenty, when mainly red states where thetrol was by the GOP, so I don't see how, and with the lawsuits, I didn't. There was really no evidence of any blatant fraud.

There's a lot of hyperbole, a lot of finger pointing, but as far as stealing elections, go back to the two thousand gour v. Bush and you know that that was stopped in the courts, and then when the final bout, the finally tally was counted, I believe Gore won Florida as far as the popular vote, but unlike some of the characastic characters, now he did the honorable thing and he stepped down for the go to the country and accepted the consequences. Well, there you have it, and again three p

one nine five two seven five zero one six. If somebody wants to call in and join into the conversation, I don't know. Look, I'm sick of talking about the already. And it's only again not even April yet, right, I mean, it's not even tax Day or pissed about November already. I mean, I gotta tell you I'm done. It is exhausting and it's gonna become more exhausting for everybody. Nobody wants to see this rematch and

yet that's what we're getting, you know. So and like I said, RFK Junior, here he is. He's got this rich lawyer now that he's got as a VP candidate. I see that going nowhere. Some people are holding on to hopes with that. Still, I don't know what to say except that I think we're looking at Trump versus Biden and Trumps president again. I think that's the only solution we're gonna come to because the economy sucks for everybody, you know, and they're gonna blame Biden, whether it's his or

not. And some of it is his and some of it is just the way the system is, and some of it is the Federal Reserve. As we went over last night again, i'll release the podcast later tonight or early tomorrow with Swanson where we go over to the markets and what's going on there, et cetera, et cetera. But it's a mess, Danny, It's a gigantic mess. So uh yeah, anything else you speaking about? You know, who's benefiting from the economy. You know, corporate profits are breaking

records. And we went on the conversation a couple of weeks ago about Walmart. You know, they raised their value prices, and you know they had I think last year had like six billion dollars of stock buybacks for the you know Walmart stock, you know right, I mean, I'm going to consider myself fortune. I mean, I mean the prices in the gas line and

groceries. Yeah, they're up, and it does take a chunk out, but I've been fortunate that because as the industry and then there's a shortage of workers, and our company opened up our union contract, and I wish we could. I wish the contract was opened now because I'd be asking for more and I could probably get more for I mean, but I don't know. We're totally caught up for those who don't have that option. So there you

go. So anyway, Danny, I'll put you back on hold. We got one more caller and maybe I think Jimmy James might have come back. So I need to take a quick break though, but beat Pete. Before I do, I want to give you the floor for a little bit. Bring up whatever you want. Anything else we're missing so far in the news. It's all you go for it. Oh, okay, thanks for dumping on me here. Anything left in the news, Well, I'll tell you what let me pull up my little list here and we'll run down a few

things. It's kind of been a weird news week. There's nothing really, you know, massive has happened other than a bridge collapse. And you know, I hate to say that, out of all that happened, and out of everything that's gonna affect that city economically because of the loss of that uh shipping channel until they get this thing cleared out. It's a shame to think that. You know, the eight people that really suffered the most was the

poor slobs having to work at night. Pothole and they couldn't get off the bridge in time. That's the sad part. I mean, it could have been a lot worse had they not stopped traffic. You know, had a lot more victims in this accident. So, I mean, thankfully it was low, but it's a shame that anybody had to pass away because of somebody's mouth. He's ands. Let alone the eight guys that got stuck having to work that night. Yeah, I thought it was Sometimes you think that's the

safest time to work. Yeah, I thought it was just happened in the morning, you know, instead of in a car accident. They take the whole bridge out. You know. It's a shame, right, I thought it was six guys. Did they upgrade that to eight? Because I must have missed that because at first it was six minutes, it was eight tallal now well it was, yeah, it was six total that died. It

was eight on the crew. Two of them they recovered that night. One was in critical condition, one was relatively unscathed from an eighty it's one hundred and eighty five foot clearings, so add another twenty thirty feet on top of that where they were sitting on the road deck. So you're looking at, you know, two hundred and fifteen foot drop in a pickup truck, you know, and he comes out unhurt. He's a lucky man. They found

two more bodies yesterday. I haven't heard yet whether they found any today in the recovery effort I see, or salvage effort. I guess it's changed now, I see. Well, look, any any life lost is obviously terrible and it sucks, especially it's a guy working at night and all of a sudden the road comes out from under you. Not something you would normally expect, but here it is. I mean, it is hazardous work. I mean, you know, you don't usually expect to die doing potholes or whatever

it was they was. Was that what they were doing on the bridge by the way, was that what it was actually? Or was there that was a pothole crew? They were repairing potholes. So they had I don't know, eight guys. You probably would have had four trucks or more out there, plus maybe a small roller. And they're just pothole in the asphalt. They're ran across the bridge steads. So, like I said, you know,

did you schedule this stuff at night because normally traffic is lower. I cannot put lane closures in on my job unless we do it after seven o'clock at night because we have to keep two lanes open on nine ninety five at all times during the day because of the amount of traffic load. So we put in a lane closure at night. You know, it's it's the safest

time because travel is down. But then you have drunk drivers, you have sleepy drivers, you have people who just can't drive at night out there trying to negotiate a work zone with a bunch of barrels out there, you know, time traffic down to one lane and accidents happen, but it's you know, who would have fought at one point thirty in the morning, the entire bridge would collapse, you know, not just a section of it, the

whole thing. Yeah, now, all true, All true. And of course, again, like I said, I don't want to make light of any of the fact that you know, lives were lost, But it could have been a lot worse. I mean, if this was a midday deal, I mean, obviously there would have been more likelihood for the workers to have died if they were filling the potholes during the day, Well, it

could have been a lot worse. Then. What happened was apparently the shift lost power twice in the two minutes before it hit the pylon, and when it first lost power, they put out a may day, and the port authority and local law enforcement, the Coastguard all monitor those channels, and they put out a may day saying that they had lost power, there's a possibility that there could be a strike on the bridge, and they immediately stopped traffic

on the bridge. So it was lucky that they were able to stop traffic before the collapse, but the guys that were working couldn't get off the bridge. In time, and that was the problem. Otherwise you'd had a bridge full of traffic, even though it would have been light traffic at one thirty in the morning. That's a major artery going through that section along the east coast, and uh, you know, traffic counts would have been very high

had they not been able to get traffic stops. So it was very fortunate. It could have been very very bad, you know, in a matter of seconds had they not gotten that stop, because you look at how fast that bridge fell. I mean it fell in less than two seconds. It was in the water, and more cars seconds, yeah, and more cars falling into the water could have done more damage even to you know, not only the people that fell in, but I mean other things as well.

I mean, it could have been a much larger mess just with the additional cars falling in. So anyway, look, we're going to go to a quick break here and return after a couple of minutes and take your calls. Three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six. I still got looks like two or three callers on hold, but there could be more if we can join it, and you can bring in any topic you want, and I'll go a little pas BM Eastern Tonight three one nine,

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that'll be that. So with this announcement, I'll kind of let my calls. Do this, I think you should do it, be Pete. Uh, we got two callers on the line right now, only it looks like Jimmy James is back and uh still we have Danny on the line, so anything you want to kick to them, and if we get any other callers three one nine five two seven five zero one six, you got still about

a half hour left in the show. And then after that I got to go and make some dinner and stuff and feed puppies and children and well one child just Frankie, uh and all that good stuff. So I got to take care of that at ten o'clock at night. Here. It's been a weird scheduled week, uh, missus o working overnights and things. So it's

uh yeah, it's been odd around the O'Kelly house. So got to get to that and get to your calls, your thoughts if if you want with the last half hour here so be Pete, give us a direction, brother, take it over. What's on your mind? Where do you want to go? Well? I think well, first I'd like to congratulate the North Carolina State wilf pack in their recent win just a few minutes ago over number

two seated Marquette in the sweet sixteen of the NCAA tournament. And unfortunately, our other team from North Carolina UNC went down in flames last night, seated number one and lost to number four Alabama eighty nine eighty seven. So we've got one more team. They're getting ready to play. Duke University is getting ready to take on Houston, who is seated number one in their section.

Their reasonal So we're going to see how that goes. But so congratulations the state to UNC fans and go do other than that, we can go to the callers and see if they've got anything that we've discussed so far they want to continue on, or if they got anything new they want to throw out there. Sure, sure, I guess we can start with Jinny. Hey, there's a little applause for your sports update, all right, And I got I got a little crowds if you want to here you go. You

like that? Yeah, I like the crowd surge. That's I like that, all right, crowd surge. Whatever you know? Else, I got the girl screaming you know whatever you want. Yes, you could put that in there for the UNC fans that want to whale a bunch of freaking Carrainge. Why not right anyway, So there's that happening. Oh real quick announcement. By the way, the JFK Lancer event this coming year is going to be held ready for this one on the twenty second, which is strange,

but apparently that's the Friday they're planning on doing it. The hotel has not been booked yet, but it is in the process of being done. Only thing known about the conference where it was no I I because I am actually well here's I'm kind of in on the process this year because they want me to come back as MC again, which I did announce at the end of the pat ratio today. So I will be returning as the MC. We'll

see how that goes. And I absolutely protest the use of that hotel ever ever again, so if I have anything to say about a VP, we will not be going back there. But on the twenty second you might be. I mean, if that's where it's at, I'll drop you off and go stay somewhere else. I'll be damn if I'm dealing with those people again. Yeah, no, absolutely not, but we but we do have the event coming up on the twenty second, will be the twenty second of the

twenty fourth. The hotel is still pending, speakers are still pending. We are just putting out that announcement, so and I will be reaching out to some different people who haven't spoken at conferences in a few years, some people that are new, et cetera, et cetera, and we'll see how it

goes. But tell everybody on your little group that's getting this thing together that basically VP said, did they better make sure that if I show up at the hotel and they need to clear this with the hotel, if a guy named BP shows up get traded to lay a thousand dollars cash on you, you take it, no questions asked. Yeah, Well, look, I already had the conversation about the problems with that place, and that was just the beginning of the problems with that place. We went to what was the

name of that dump? Again? I forget Oh hell, I'll have to go look at my email archives because I got a survey not long after we got back that wanted me to fill it out. And I've I've waited just to decide how bad I want to flame them. Oh did you use that place? Let's see if I can pull it up. Oh man, I cannot believe they dared to send you a survey. Oh yeah, well,

it's automatic through that through the tourists. Say, that's the thing. I joined a travel club to get a discount on that room, and they act like, you know, my money and my card was no good, like it was beneath them. And that's the part that really pissed me off about the whole thing. We'll see I can't even find my email hold on, wow. But that was what ticked me off, is they acted like that we were beneath them somehow, and I'm sitting here thinking, dude, do

you want my money or not? Not only that, how many people ran their room costs when they got there. I mean they they could have kicked me out after being there for thirty minutes and they would have had my money and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could do about it. Yeah. Well, oh, I bet you would have found something to do about it, though, because I guarantee you had a nice, expensive artwork at the entryway that would be my garden right about now, because I had jerked

the shit out with a chain hooked to that little tea. Yeah, well, either that or you know, we would have been trying to figure out how to bail you out because it got pretty much Yeah, it got pretty tense at the front desk Lorenzo Hotel. It was, by the way, we do not Yes, I don't know why I could remember that pretentious name. Yes, we do not recommend indoors or otherwise suggest the Lorenzo Hotel in

Dallas, Texas. In fact, if you call an uber and the guy shows up named Lorenzo, get out and call another one, right exactly. Don't even go to Dealey Plaza with an uber guy named Lorenzo. No. Uh. And if you see the hotel with its an obnoxious superficial lighting job, they had some weird lighting on the product. We should say obnoxious, we should say oustentatious, ostentatious. Okay, fine, but the Lorenzo Hotel does not get a recommendation or even a one star from my YELP. All

right, no good, just saying that's where it was last year. But this year, you know what, buy some freaking paint for the ceiling. Damn you know, but they don't stall give you a thousand bucks from my damn room. At least put some paint on the freaking ceiling. Nah, they haven't framed paintbrush up there for you though. You know, Jesus Christ, I want to see unfinished concrete. I could have stayed at work, right, I could stay in making if I want to see crack goddamn concrete

everywhere? Uh, you know, like I want to see beat up, urban looking stuff that's unfinished and cracking. You know what, Yeah, could have stayed in making, no problem. We got that everywhere. It is awfully artsy and making. If you want cracked concrete, just saying, hey, you know, I got a question when I realized they're going to have the banquet and all that. Yeah, but does the restaurant, the pizza

place that we went to, do they cater? Yes, that'd be a perfect tie in to get them for a lunch or a brunch or a something that the people that are staying there could say, hey, yeah, we'll pay an extra We'll pay an extra thirty bucks for a catered brunch from this place, and to tie them into it, make them a part of it. Well, do you have a Gabby's email address, because she will definitely be into an idea like that. Gabrielle Glenn, No, I don't,

all right, can you email it to me? I will make sure to get you Gabby's email address, because you send there that suggestion, she might make it happen. I would love to. The only thing is one of the guys who is send me connected to the conference usually runs some luncheon before, you know, like on Thursday when the conference starts on Friday. He does a Thursday luncheon. But I think sometime elsewise they should do a luncheon like you're saying, with a connected place of some sort. I agree.

I love your idea. Sorry about that, but I mean, I love your idea, but yeah, I mean, and obviously write out any ideas you have, any suggestions, send them to me, especially, and if any listener wants to participate, we'll obviously do the little subgroup like we did

last time where you had your little ocelly group. Mike Swanson said he'll come along if some guys are coming along again, so you can meet Mike now, Larry, I don't think he's gonna go this year, all right, but we'll have other people there that you'll know from the show, et cetera. And I'm already looking at people that I haven't even interviewed on the show yet. I'm thinking about I'm gonna interview him and invite him to the conference.

So we're gonna see how it all goes, depending on, you know, how they want to participate. Uh. You know you could actually, you, the listener, could participate in helping to build the Lancer conference by giving me suggestions and also by giving your endorsement to certain presenters. You know, I haven't heard from HM in a while. I'd like to see this guy. I'd like to hear from that guy, tell you the truth.

I've been trying to get Mike to to make contact with Henry Hurt, you know, the guy who wrote Reasonable Doubt years ago, because Mike knows him and actually goes to see him. But Henry doesn't want to talk to anybody anymore. Uh. But I don't love if you guys just snag King Thompson. See now there's one that I would love to grab too. But you know, there will be no Pittsburgh thing this time, so no competition, and Rob Reiner will be out of the cycle by then, so you know,

who knows who will be up with us. I also hope they don't invite certain other podcasters, but anyway, that's another thing, and not the guys over at the Lone Gunman or Dallas Action. I actually had a good time with Doug and so did you, right, Oh yeah, I had a great time with Doug. That was I mean, that was great to meet him. I was, and like I said, I was hoping to meet Rob. But you know, maybe he can make it to the next one. I'm hoping Rob can make it this coming year. That would be

great. I don't know if you know, Doug can make it back. I don't know who can make it. And of course I'm really hopeful if Gail nick Jackson shows up again, cause that was quite the that was. That was a great part to imagine. I would imagine she'll have some things settled by then and can thoroughly enjoy the experience of being there. Absolutely surprise presenter at the event, Dale nick Jackson sort of showed up and you know,

had her books with her and everything else. New copy and she snuck me one old copy with the Lucky Strike looking design on the front of it, which I was really happy with, especially if I got a text from her, I need to respond to her. She sent me a text how long ago, and I'm not sure if it was an update on certain situations that she's been pursuing. But I'm going to get a hold of her this weekend. I'll go to be maybe I'll have something to tell you after next

week. Excellent, Well tell her. Look, I'm all ears and all ready for her any time she wants to do whatever. You know, I'm at her disposal. Also, just let her love to have he I'd love to have her on a Friday night people to call in and ask questions. Yeah. Absolutely, I'd love to have her on a frid I'd love to have her on any night she wants to come on. Now. She's turned

me down recently, but you know, just mention to her again. You know, I always talked to Chuck and he's always talking about you and talking

about your case in the film and everything. So anyway, look, I want to get back to the callers because we haven't had new ones, but we might as well get back to the old ones before we're done and let them get in at least a final word for the week, right, sure, absolutely, Yeah, Sorry, I know I told you to take over, but then we sidetracked on another conversation because I wanted to let people know that there will be an answer conference and I'll be the MC again this year.

That's pretty much a locke at this moment. You know, who knows if things change in between now and then. But none of the presenters have been named. Just the weekend, which will be the November twenty second to the twenty fourth, which is fascinating because it synchronized as with guess what Friday the twenty second was Friday the twenty second and sixty three, right, so

you know the twenty fourth when Oswald dies, is that Sunday? We could have you know, some of these like, hey, look, let's recognize at this time of day this happened, and as it happened, conference I think would be interesting as well. Right, so, because it's this time of day, let's show this news clip, let's talk about it, let's have some panels. I think we could. There's a lot of possibilities there

doing it on the weekend of the twenty second, I think. Anyway, So where should we start, Jimmy James, you want me to start with PPT? You said, sure, all right, So Jimmy, Jimmy going to be at the conference. Yeah, Jimmy, you can be able to make it next. I would love it if Jimmy made it November. But anyway, Jimmy, you called back in, so here you are, uh, and you're back on what's up? Yeah? I don't know. I technically issues, I don't know. It seems like you called in with a

different phone this time. You did some one of your other phones, right, Yeah, actually the usual phone wasn't work anyway, technical issues aside, anything else you want to throw in before we're done this week? We got about fifteen twenty minutes left to penning. Uh. First, Uh, who gave Dorothy Hunt that money? Before you're playing fresh? Hm? Hm? Well, indeed who did? And which money? Yeah? If you remember, she went on a plane trip and then didn't make it back because there

was a plane crash where Dorothy Hunt was killed. And the idea is that she was picking up money. Now, some people say it was money to pay off the Watergate guys, and there might have been some other money picked up as well. And was any of that money ever recovered? I don't think so. Was Dorothy Hunt ever recovered? I think her body was actually recovered, Jimmy, wasn't it Yeah, and they found like ten grand in perfect condition on their first somehow, yeah, somehow, I doubt that was

all the money, but go ahead, problem. Yeah, I'm sick of didn't share like one hundred pawning grants. What I'm thinking, maybe, right, I would be crud to figure out who I was that gave her the loop pepeat and then another and that I would just say one direction to Danny. He's quoting in someone. But actually there was no White House page scandal. That was the congressional page scandal, and the main process creator was Bond

Points. Bonnie Points is the main problem. Now, Oh no, that was another that was another Congress. Yeah, there wasn't pages in the House. The United States Marines know what not to do ship, But jim there was. Yeah, there were these White House there were these White House staffers. Hold on a second, Jimmy, there were White House staffers in the Bush administration where there was this callboy scandal. Also, the Bonnie Franks thing

happened. That's a different scandal than the one that Danny was referencing. Danny's referencing the one that the investigative journalists turned up, you know, during the SNL crisis. Thing. When there was also this human trafficking thing that turned up that was connected to some people who worked at the White House during the Bush administration. Uh. And how they, you know, hid money and hit people and everything else to cover up what was going on while the SNL's

were collapsing. That is a whole other, deep thing. That's that's the part of the Franklin cover up. He's mentioning that's got nothing to do with Barnie Franks. But Barney Franks did something else. Yeah, but that's where pages are, you're correct, that's where gages are located. Yes, one thing XJ came this thing. I really like to brush this George Bush thing here you go. I'd never make Dela. I would love to. I will this one. I concluded that this George Bush and of the CIA letters

a load of crap. There. I said it. I think it's fake. I want the Shield letter, I want RIFF numbers, I want any proof. Okay. So yeah, other than that, I'll just say everyone peace out, and basketball is just a tanga sport for girls and rappers. Fair enough. Uh. Hey, Jimmy, you know you're saying you don't believe that the de Morn Shields letter to Bush is real, is what you're saying. Oh, I believe the moarn Shield and Bush they were both geologists

you know Texas. Yeah, they were both theologists in Texas and had little business hustlings that went on in island nations. Yes, I think that they would have been No no, no, no no no no no no no no that. I've never seen one bit of proof for that. You're happy to accept it now, I like these people, Well, Bush had Bush. Yeah, Bush had oil interests. Wait chalk, let me ask you a questions. Pat letter in any way resemble anything else written by jag or

Luther. I've never done a comparison, so I don't know, Uh, but I will say that, yes, they did both have island nation business dealings. Uh de morn Shields trying to make deals regarding jute farms in Haiti and Uh. Then you know Bush with his uh deals, you know, near Cuba regarding his oil companies and stuff like that. I mean there was stuff going on there. Uh. And both of them were in the Caribbean

doing business. Okay, you kind of gotta go with that. I mean, have you ever read Joan Mellon's book on that our man in Haiti about you know, the whole thing that de morn Shields was doing. Yes, unfortunately she still out of that. I'm previous research by the very fellows and found the little uh, George Bush is in the CIA letter is in their

case they just moved it receive it. Yeah, but she did a lot of original research for that too, and interviewed people that were, you know, connected to the Haitian government at the time, and all this other stuff where you know, it's not a JFK connected thing exactly his whole business dealings there, but it's a real thing. Anyway. I do agree there's more in shield most step. Well, we know he was CIA, there's no doubt about it. Okay, fair enough, so we'll leave it at that.

Jimmy, oh sorry, I cut him off. Let me bring him back because he was saying something. I'll just let him finish it and then I'll go to Danny. Go ahead. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off there an accident. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of smoke there, but I have not read one single document that has proven me that that crazy baster George Bush Senior was in the CIA before he was the director of the CIA. Yeah, no, I don't. I don't see

any legitimate paper trail for that previous to it either. But you know, however, you have to think about this one thing. How would they bring in Why would they bring in somebody to run the CIA that wasn't connected with the organization there. It was before he started to it was in the wake

of the Church Committee. People were demanding an outsider take over. Yeah, but usually better outside the Wait a minute, what better outsider to bring in than somebody who had all appearances of being an outsider but had the inside connection because he was a member of the CIA. Well, and look, if you take a look at they I don't care about the Church Committee. The

government works the way the government works. And they slid Bush in there, knowing full well that he had a cover that people wouldn't think that he was connected to it and had clean hands coming in. But he was dirty, right. And the thing is, if you want to look at what happens when they bring in an outsider, Stansfield Turner comes in, and when he comes in the way they handled him, you find out what happens when they

bring in somebody who doesn't have any connection. You can't have zero connection. You could be an outsider but have some connections. Both things can be true, and clearly he had some familiarity. Otherwise you can't function as the head. That's the whole problem. Like when they brought Stansfield Turner in and he got no cooperation whatsoever. They weren't going to allow it. It's just that

simple. The organizations don't allow somebody doesn't know how the organization runs. Okay, when it comes to these bureaucracies, the storefront version of each of these government agencies, you can't put ahead in there who has no familiarity with it. That was my argument about Mike Pompeo when they said, oh, Pompeo doesn't want to find more and more people over the years connected with the damn CIA. And I don't know why it's so late in coming out, but

I mean, well, it's just like JFK files. You know, we're supposed to have been released and then Trump all of a sudden Clisto kebash on that. That's another thing you Trump you know, Trumpeters need to keep in mind we filtered on that one. There there's a couple of things easy you know, backtracked on, but that aside, just to bring facts up to date. We looked it up. Yes, there was a packet of one

hundred dollars bills totally ten thousand dollars in Dorothy Hunts purse. Right. But she also stopped at the airport and bought two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars of flight insurance policy before they took off, right, which is kind of weird. Yes, it is definitely weird to Campbell. I mean, you know, just so happened she bought it at the right time. Uh, And yeah, okay, so there's that to consider. But also, uh, you look again, these agencies, like I said, with Mike Pompeio,

when they brought him in, they would Alwa's an outsider. I said, no, he's not. If he's an outsider, he can't function as the head of the CIA. It's just that simple. It doesn't work. You can't be a completely out of left field guy like I, like I joke all the time, Put me in charge of the CIA, independent presidential candidate. It won't work. They won't allow it, you know. And if you look, if you look at the people, who was the guy from Arizona, Bill, what was his name Richardson. You look at the

connections, you know, you you think Republican and Democrat. But when you go back through these friendships, yeah, and these business entities that these guys get into when they leave the government. That crap was going on before they joined the government. That's how they got picked for certain positions is through connections. And you find out that Bill Richardson is paling around with John Panetta, who's paling around with this guy who's palering around with some Republican down here,

and it's all just a missmass. There's no way they're going to bring somebody in on the CIA that wasn't connected at a level that they could go in and get people to do what he was directing them to do. Well they possible. The CIA is an agency that's going to fight anybody from the outside coming in. Well, it's just the FBI and all the rest of them.

It's just like this, B Pete. You know what, I could easily probably put you in charge of a McDonald's, but you don't know how McDonald's works necessarily from the inside unless you've ever worked there, or you've known people that work there, or you know what I'm saying. You can't run in there in that side. You're not going to put me in charge of a thousand McDonald's, right, unless I've been in the system, right, because you'd have to know who to contact to get something done. You'd have

to know exactly what tools you have at your disposal. Otherwise you're going to spend all your time trying to sort it out. You're going to require a crash course, a serious education on the whole system, and then you'll be fully dependent on what they decide to tell you and not tell you as they

give you the crash course. Not a good position to be. And in fact, the argument the people that are telling you and the people that are telling you what you need to know are controlling what they tell you exactly. And the thing is, look, you have to go in there with some level of independence, otherwise it's pointless. Because look, even with the Church Committee, and yes, indeed it's a good point, there were pressures,

government investigations, this and that. So gerald Ford sticks them in there because he needs to. Yes, there needed to be a change of regime, because there needed to be the appearance of a change of regime because ab the guys who were in charge of it before, were doing all sorts of things nobody wants him to do. Indeed, that's true, but you can project that appearance, or you could bring in somebody who is not necessarily friendly to

the good old boys who are really running things. But still he has to know how the system works, otherwise he can't battle. For example, look at the Warrant Commission and the fact that you know the accusations that George Bush was in Dallas that day and you know Ford down the road was giggling about that going on. I mean, he wasn't We had him busy doing other shit. He wasn't there, right, was he going to tell anybody that?

No? And it is one of the And by the way, Jimmy, I will get back to the George Bush and Dealey Plaza and also George Bush Junior w would be Daley Plaza nonsense on the next Myth show. Guaranteed, I will at least bring it up if I can't find an expert to deal with it. I had a weird face to face with Russ Baker at Lancer conference by the way, b Pete, when when I was alone at the table, by the way, it seemed like the whole place had cleared

out. Everybody was busy with something else, and I was sitting at my table like all alone in the room, and Russ Baker, all by himself, walked up to me and said hi, you know, like I'm Russ Baker. I went, yeah, I know who you are. I shook his hand. He stared at me for a minute and walked away. Where the hell was you were like watching a presentation or something, And I just

I did not know what to make of that. Now when I saw him in twenty seventeen, he was definitely giving me the stink eye, and I brought it up on the show, and I think he wanted to see if I had something to say to him, and I've already said what I have to say, so you know, I waited. I sat there for a minute, like just staring at him, like we just locked eyes and we're alone in the book room, you know what I'm talking about. And it was weird. And then he just left. And I don't even think he

was there for the conference. He might have been there for the Judy conference down the road or something, because I didn't see him in the conference otherwise walked over something, you know, there was a lull of something and you were the only one that he could find in the ground. Weird, very weird. I'm just saying anyway, Danny, I'm gonna let you get the final caller word because nobody else called in. So you're back on and drop anything in here you want. You got the final word for the week.

Sure, George Bush, I'm just gonna go me. Brussel, Prescott, bus Brown and Herriman Nazis who knows. And on the further note, yesterday was opening day of baseball. It looks like it was the last opening day for the oplonse. Congratulations to State and I wish everybody well. I'm happy Easter. All right, Well, thank you, Danny, and I wish you well. No matter what day it is, the open A's last opening day. I wasn't aware. Are they Are they? Yeah, they're moving

to Vegas. Oh wow, yeah they're going to Vegas. The Las Vegas Athletics now or the Nevada Athletics. Wait wait, yes, like the Las Vegas Raiders. Wow wow. They're gleaning from from the from the East day stealing from Oakland. Vegas is at this point, yeah, you know, give them credit to the Vegas Knights hockey team. They did well. What it was their second season, they were in the Cup, So you know,

it's it's good. It's good that sports franchises can move. The only thing I hate about that is when you have a historic team, the name should stay. Like when the Baltimore Colts left and went to Indianapolis. Baltimore should have retained that name, like uh, like the Browns did when their team left and then they got the team going back again. Because you always think, I'm sorry, I'm old school. When you say Colts, I think Indianapolis. You know, when you say Cardinals, I think Saint Louis

Arizona. It's just I don't know, it's hard to keep up with them. But it's good that the team could move and have success. Uh. You know, the football team is hoping for a good season. The hockey team has already done well, so you know, good luck to the to the a's, Well, the a's are the athletics. Weren't they originally the Philadelphia A's Athletics. I mean, wasn't that what they were? Philadelphia? So you know what, Philly should have retained the athletics name, you think,

and when they moved to the Bay. They should have taken on a different name, the Dodgers. Yeahlyn Dodgers to have stayed in you know, New York. Huh, what about the Giants because they moved to San Francisco right from New York, so you know York all right, So you think the original Brooklyn Dodgers or the Brooklyn Dodge, right, you know, you can move from the LA and they became a whole different entity. You know why we should have kept the Brooklyn Dodgers so that, okay, let them

move. When we had we retained that name. We get the money to start a new team. You know, It's just like baseball and Kinston. For years it was the Kinston Eagles, it was the Kinston this, it was the Kingston Whatever's you know, there was a time where the Kinston Eagles was a name. When we started baseball back, or the guy that I went in partnership with when he brought baseball back, they had that name retained.

And that's what he started the team as a co op team. So he had five players from h Montreal, he had six players from the Padres and so under that co op team he was able to build it and we stayed the Eagles until Toronto finally said, look, you know, we've made such an investment in this town, we think the team should be known as the Kinston Blue Jays, and that's when we changed the name. Right from there, it's been the Indians and now it's that team left. Another one

come back in and they called it the down East Wood Ducks. You've lost all of the history of baseball and Kinston by calling your new team the down East Wood Ducks. And unfortunately, Kinston is not located in the Down East area, so it's just screwed up. Well, you just take that history

and wipe it away. The Brooklyn Dodgers were the Brooklyn Dodgers, which are not the La Dodgers, right, And the compromise became keep the orange en y from the Giants and take the Dodger blue and put it together and create the New York Metropolitans, which became, which was a historical team name. The Mets are what replaced the Dodgers and the Giants, you know, and they went to Queens instead of Brooklyn or the New Jersey Nets. You know.

That was an ava team that had Doctor j and a bunch of talent on it when it was in the AVA and then when they merged. I mean that name should when you say Nets, you should think New Jersey. When you say Devils, you should think New Jersey Hockey. When you say Bruins, you should think Boston. Teams are connected with community. It's part of that community pride we were discussing when I was accused of, you know, you know, complaining about we and never took a snap on game day,

so fight me. It's that community pride that goes with supporting these organizations. The Dodgers belong in Brooklyn. Okay, fair enough, he's still mad about that. I love that. But anyway, anything you want to throw in at the end of your VPT, because we're going to get out of here and be done for the week, because I think that was the week that was, And there you go. You know, I just like to say thanks to Danny and Jimmy James and for calling in, and we've got

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