The Ochelli Effect 3-15-2024 Open Mic

The o'chiley Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and listeners like you Now and Now and Media Friar's Day, whoops, check that out. I'm gonna fade that down, okay. Accidentally I played another clip right after the introduction. We're supposed to go straight into it. Friar's Day, Friday Night Open Mic. Here we are O'Kelly effect, and we're live where mistakes get made. Anyway, I hope you're doing well out there. My co host Bpete is with me and you can join me as well. Open Mike,

any idea, anything you want to discuss. It's wide open. That's the way it is. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six three one nine five two seven five zero one six. That's the number to call. Or you can reach out to me Charles dot O'Kelly on Skype and join in the uh. I don't know if it's fun every time, but you can join in the conversation one way or another. Plus, I had a

weird idea passed to me about a listening party. Okay. People wanted to play certain things and then be able to comment on it as it was happening, And I said you know that's easy to do. We can just set it up, play it on the network, and I can leave open phone lines and I don't even got a city here for it. You guys could come on and comment at random, and I don't even have to let you

off a hold. I can just like say we're running an audio documentary or the audio of something, and you guys could come on and comment intermittently at free will, Fire at will if you will, because all you'd have to do is call in, and then I don't have you put on hold immediately and you'd go right to the live stream and participate in the audio itself.

So there's an idea that might get floated on some of the weekend shows here coming up soon, or maybe we'll do some documentary or some special listening party for some other podcasts. Maybe I don't know, you guys, let me know what you want to do. Let's reshape the live network along with the podcast. And oh, by the way, I got a couple of them out this week, including a video only podcast with Alex Harris at the beginning of a week which is only available on Let's See Rumble, Rockfit and bit

Shoot. I think at the moment. I did not put it up on YouTube and probably won't, but it's out there on some video platforms, video only where he does a compilation a compositive you will, of Daly Plazia videos and tries to synchronize them. And I think it's an interesting presentation. So there's that. We got Mike Swanson in this week, we got Larry Hancock in this week, we got Ed Opperman in this week, and Mike I just put out just before airtime today. Plus there might have been some bonus

material on some platforms. But anyway, enough of all that, we are live on a Friday, all the way up to ten pm when the Age of Transitions will begin and Aaron FROWNSI go live and then at eleven pm Uncle and then I'm leaving it up to you guys in the chat room as to whether we do an additional live show late tonight or if I do it tomorrow. Not going to tell you what the show is, but there is an

additional two live shows that were planned this week that did not happen. So anyway, up to you guys, vote, let your voice be heard. Anyway, all that out of the way, B Pete, how are you doing this week. Oh or and during the first wave of the pollen attack. It's really been rough here. I'm hoping for some rain to wash it

away. But I walked out this morning. Right when I walked outside, the wind started blowing, and my neighbor has got a wall of just massive pine trees and you could see the pollen just coming out of it like someone was shaking dust out of a mop. Well, it's bad, see, because I'm just doing pretty good. Yeah, because I'm just south of you. It was raining all day here, So it's wet outside right now.

Okay, no pollen. They're calling for sours tomorrow. But the little slight chance is it supposed to move from south to north, Because if it is, it was a pretty pretty good amount of rain pouring on a well, it's going to dissipate and go past us. We're just going to catch some stuff off the edge of it. Okay, Well, there you go. There's your weather report. So how's all else doing there in the wonderful state

of North Carolina? He was that North Carolina or South Carolina? Where Trump said, uh uh, the one guy is a MLK on steroids last week? Was was that your state? Or was that South Carolina who was mixed. Yeah, I saw Mark Robinson. He's running. He's the current lieutenant

governor. He's running for governor. And uh, I mean he's he's big in the church, and you know, he's he has said some things that set people off on it, well, sets liberals off on edge, because you know, he's more of the traditional you know, man of the house

that liberals around here just like to flare up over and complain about. I mean, he's not really said anything out well, he said some things that are questionable, not to have to look him up, but things about the gay community and this and that, and you know, he's more of a traditional values type conservative and that's what Well, the fact that he's black and conservative is enough to piss off liberals in North Carolina. That's all it takes.

Well, and he's a hard Baptist, right, isn't he a straight up like hardcore Baptist. Yeah, And he's very active in his church, and I mean he's done a good job. I mean he's more of the physical conservative. Look, you know, let's worry about certain things before I'll give you an example. It took this state fifteen years of arguing in a Republican led legislature about expanding Medicare, and they finally did it this past year. But when it came to passing online sports betting, that was done in

about two months, everybody was in agreement. So it just you know, he he, he has problems with the priorities that are leg here in the state has and I agree with them on a lot of it. But that's politics. Well, that's politics, and that's money because look when it comes to right, you know, legitimizing the gambling and then taxing it, you know that that's just free money that's going to come into the states. So who's going to object to that, Democrat or Republican? Right, I mean,

unless they're going to take some sort of moral stance. But give me a breaker ready. With the gambling as a moral stance, I mean, you know what the complaint The complaints are more of a hypocritical stance. And that they'll a law, they'll allow fan Duel and all these other companies to come in and be approved for online sports betting. And the reason, and

the governor said the reason, And this is funny. We got a Democrat governor that was pushing for this to get done before the ACC tournament that starts what next week, So you know, we're going through all of the conference tournaments right now and then AC seats or the NCAA tournament basketball tournament starts next week, so they wanted to get it done before that so he and his rich buddies could place bets no problem. But they have been slow. They

have tied trying to open up casinos and things like that. Well, in fact, that was this last argument. They were trying opening up and approving licenses for three more casinos. I think it was three hooked onto the Medicare expansion bill, and some people that are real close to top legislators in the States said, guys, you know you're not looking at the optics of this. You need separate the two. Go ahead and pass Medicare expansion and then

worry about the gambling part of it. So they did that and Medicare passed, So they've expanded it in this state, which is something they fought for the longest time. They definitely needed it though other than that, when it comes to betting, they're approving certain licenses for things, but they still haven't tackled the problem with video poker machines in the state. It's on a county by county basis. Technically they're against the law right now. Technically anybody running

one of those businesses cannot pay out cash awards. So if you can't get cash awards, what's the point of playing. It's just a hodgepodge of things that are being enforced and not being enforced. And they're going, look, you want to put online betting, let's deal with local stuff and go ahead and legalize those things. So that's the next thing they're talking about is legalized

video gambling throughout today. Yeah. Now, see that was a question I had ten years ago when I lived in North Carolina, is like, what the hell is the point of the poker machine if you can't pay cash? You putting cash in? And then I would ask questions. By the way, it seemed like a big secret. You know, when I asked somebody, you know, randomly in a place when I just walked in and they weren't familiar with me, I'd say, you know, how do you get

paid? And they didn't want to tell me. It was like, what do you get like store credit? Well, how is that different? And oh, by the way, once you get a store credit. You know. I used to see this by the way in Jersey where they would have a thing it's like, oh, we're not allowed to award cash, but we can give you a store credit. Now what you can do is cash

in your store credit. Se create an extra step, right, Oh yeah, we had one place here that gave away certain sized teddy bears, and they would when they gave you the teddy bear, it had a like a piece of paper pin to it, and the amount was worth, you know, just a number, like if you won three hundred, they drive three

hundred on the post it notes stick to it. Well, you could trade in the bear for three hundred dollars, or if you won fifteen hundred, it was a huge bear, or it might be five bears, you know, at three hundred bucks a piece. There were ways to get around it. Okay, Yeah, so like theoretically you could just get a whole bunch of these bears and say that, well, you know, here, you won the bear, but we're willing to buy back your bear for one hundred

bucks. Yeah, so we don't have to keep ordering bears. That's pretty good. Well, who's going to take home their bear? I mean, it's one thing to take home a casino chip, but I mean a bear, you know, kind of funny. I would cash in my bears before I left, you know what I mean? Oh, definitely, definitely yeah so, but it's just funny when you just see like weird loopholes like that. Any The bad thing is, though, is when they when in the

counties that they enforce these rules. When they go in and bust a place, they'll bust whoever's they're running it. They'll charge them with operating a casino illegal casino they're not supposed to get. Most of these places, if you go in, they provide drinks and snacks for the time that you're there, because a lot of people will go in a house. Some nights I go in, I'll play for six hours, but sometimes it takes that long to

get the machine to hit well. So it's like, you know, they say anything up to give you benefits of going in, and then talked about like getting around the smoking ban in public places. All these bars went to private clubs where technically you pay them a dollar for a membership. They give you a piece of paper with your name on it and their name on it,

and then they've beaten the law because now they're a private club. Oh that's one thing the legislators did when they ban smoking in public places like at the mall and restaurants and things of that nature. Of course, they exempted their own country clubs from that because they're private clubs. Well, these bar owners said, hey, we play say Dan game. You know, well,

we're on a private club. And because we're a private club now we don't have to meet the the percentage goal of food sales to qualify for a liquor license. So they kind of shot themselves in the foot when they came up with that kind of legislation. Yeah, definitely. So it's you know, it's a constant game here in this state until the legislature gets off their button decides on something. So we're hoping they'll settle the video poker issue here

soon. I don't know, you know, it's one of those situations though, we're guaranteed if somebody's really raking in money and if you change the system, they wouldn't. Probably there's going to be some resistance. That private club thing is funny to me too, because just like you know, when you would go to like a Sam's or a BJ's, or whatever, and they could issue you, you know, a temporary member. Like That's what cracks me up, where it's like, well, look, you have a membership

for the weekend. You know, even though we've never seen you before, We're going to make you a charter or trial member, so you get a trial membership. You know. The funny thing is, though, and I heard some guy point this out the other day. You've testified before Congress, one of the representatives from Texas and he'd been in the military, and he said there giving a speech and it was talking about voter ID laws and he made the comment. He goes, well, you know they say it's hard

for African Americans to get IDs. He said, I got eleven of them with me and you know, whipped them out his military ideas, driver's license, a social Security card, blah blah blah, all this stuff. And he said it's ridiculous to think. He says, it's racist to think that black people are incapable of getting proper identification because you need it for everything. And if you think he made the comment, you got to have a card to get into two Oh what's the other costco? He said, you have

to have card to get in Sam's club. He says, So if you can get those IDs, is I think it's quite capable of getting a free ID that's given out by the state and will actually mail it to you to be able to vote. Yeah, but you know, being that I am currently trapped in a situation where I do not have up to date ID, which is messed up because I didn't get the Georgia's state ID. And now I'm kind of trapped because I can't get a birth certificate or anything. I'm

a little bit stuck. And this does happen to people on occasion where you know, after a while, if you're working the same job, you don't need to renew your ID. Nobody needs an ID. Maybe you can't afford a car, so you don't have a vehicle, you don't have a driver's license, you weren't in the military. A bunch of things go by, and your Social Security Card is not supposed to count as ID, so you

know, and I have that, but it doesn't count. And you know what I'm saying, It's like you can get into a situation where people are going to fall between the I'm not saying that's the majority of people. I think most people end up with some form of ID from somewhere that they can

use the majority of people. But occasionally, you know, like myself, Like I said, I thought they weren't going to let me back on the bus when I was going to Dallas in twenty seventeen because I got off to have a cigarette and they wanted to check my ID against my ticket and I was like a problem, I don't have an ID. You can read here's my North Carolina ID. And they were just like, yeah, we can't. It's illegible. And I'm like, yeah, well that's all I got.

You're not going to leave me here in Louisiana, are you? You know? Or it was it Louisiana or Mississippi. It might have been Mississippi anyway, one of the stops where I got to have a smoke on the way there. And I thought, you're a good example, though you have an issue that's keeping you from being able to get an ID in Georgia. And about that later, I think i'd talked to you about redoing your illegible

North Carolina ID and then using that to get a joy ID. But regardless, you you're in a situation where you know you can't get a birth certificate, blah blah blah, you don't have a driver's license, so then you fall back on other things. A debit card. You know, technically just a security card is not supposed to be used for ID, but they kind of I think they took that restriction off a while back because now everybody uses it. I mean, that's how they identify you when it comes to credit

scores and things like. That's off your social so you know you are denied one, But are you denied one because of a racist reason? And that's what they fought so long for here in North Carolina. They have fought every

voter ID law that has come up with. And there's what thirty some on states that have them now, But in North Carolina, every time they pass a voter ID law, you've got these liberal groups immediately, even when they mentioned they're discussing it, they'll go ahead and file suit in the court somewhere and try to hang up using it. And my question has always been how somebody please explain to me and give me an example of how requiring an ID

to vote is racist? And your objet to have anybody provide me with an example. Yeah, I don't understand it either, because Okay, my problem comes from a couple of different issues where I had, you know, paperwork that went bad and I don't have a lot of standard things because I'm not eligible to have a driver's license, right, and therefore it wasn't something that I maintained I did have an ID, and again I haven't had the need for it really because what am I doing that I needed an ID for?

So I sort of just fell out out of you know, I fell into disrepair regarding my paperwork, and my original birth certificate was lost and that's it, right, So I tried to go get a birth certificate from New Jersey. Now they want my Social Security card but simultaneously tell me it doesn't count as ID. So I was like, well, I don't understand this. You wanted to back up my ID, but it's not ID, you know,

And they're like, yeah, it's like a piece of mail. A piece of mail isn't technically a piece of ID, but it is something that goes towards your points for an ID. And I'm like, well, if it's part of what makes up an ID, then what's the problem, you know? Anyway, I don't know everybody's got different And here's the funny thing. Even though we have a standard understanding of these things, you and I and we might read the rules, we might read the law, we might

read the whole thing. Right, you go to a different state agency, and depending on who you're dealing with in customer service, you get different results. I've had people get different answers for the same question regarding these things over and over again. You know, I got into that here when I went to a DMV about getting a real ID. Now, that's something that really

pisses me off. Back in two thousand and five, that came up with this stupid real ID act right now, to get on a plane domestically, or to go overseas or anything, or to get on a government base, like if I go with my brother he's retired, if I go with him on the base, I have to have a real ID or they won't let

me on. Well, my driver's license is issued from the state of North Carolina, but it's not a real ID driver's license in that to get that, I have to show up with my passport and all these other things to prove who the hell I am. Now I've been driving in this state for a long damn time, you know, almost fifty years, and I've been licensed all that time. But now all of a sudden, like the last time I wanted, I had to renew my license with my new address before

we went to Dallas. So I'm in the office saying, Okay, what have I got to do this? Oh, you have to make an appointment and you have to have all these items of identification and then we'll issue. I said, well, I've got to get a new ID anyway. Well, but you can't do it without an appointment, and we're booked up, so it's going to be at least three or four weeks before you can get

in. And I'm going, this is ridiculous that I'm restricted in where I can go in certain boades of travel in the United States and not be able to use my legal ID. My North Carolina driver's license is a legal ID. It can be taken by any government agency. But now I have to spend more money and jump through all these hoops just to get a super special North Carolina driver's license. My license has got like five different damn holograms and

everything else on it. It's one of the hardest apparently to be able to just duplicate. But now you've got to have the real ID because that proves that you really are who your real ID says you are, believe it or not, opposed to your regular driver's license, who you really says who you are. Believe it. It's ridiculous, yeah, believe it or not. One of the factors as to why I ended up on the Greyhound bus as opposed to a train, because I could have taken a train to Dallas,

was that you needed a real ID to get on the train. Yeah. Now they don't require that for the bus necessarily, but you're we are supposed to give them some sort of ID and your name ends up on a ticket, right, But outside of that, it's not required that you have the real ID. But to use the train, it's just like a plane pretty much. So that that's what I was told by UH. I forget which

thing it was or whatever. But they were like, you're gonna you know, we require proof of real ID, and I was like, yeah, I don't have that, so forget it. I had my scratched up North Carolina. I d back there in twenty seventeen. Still, so anyway, we do have callers and I know we're not going to spend the whole night on real id and stuff, but it is a point of interest. It's

one of those things that keeps going on. And oh, by the way, did you see the legislature now or no, excuse me, not legislature, but the Supreme Court decision that says that, you know, political figures have to allow critics, they can't block their critics. Now. Did you see this? Yeah? I mean that all? Okay, what that all came out of? Well? Who was a Trump blocked and they took them to court to be able to I don't know, that's ridiculous. I don't

know. Was it the Trump thing that triggered it or was it something else? So no, I think it was the Trump thing that triggered the original case. He blocked somebody, and somebody took him to court and they said, no, you can't do that, and then he went ahead and unblocked him or something, and then it got appealed. And so here we are, really does it matter? Does it really matter that you have a critic on a social media platform? All Trump has to do is make one post

on on x formerly known as Twitter that and people go nuts. So does it. I mean, he's got enough critics out there, does it. He must spend all day. That's why he's up at three o'clock in the morning, send and text and tweets out it because he's up probably trying to block all the people that are talking crap about him. It could be.

But the funny part to me is that, look, I'm thinking, you know, just much like we talked about with the with the bars and smoking, you would think that this is a private business, right, these these different platforms, Twitter, right, whatever, it doesn't matter. Don't they have the right actually to say what goes on on their platform in their business. I mean I thought they did. Why is the government getting out this?

Yeah, it's a little A platform would be different somehow, they argue you whether it's public accommodation you know, is and people have argued, well, they're you know, if they sell stock, you know, to the public, then their public entity and they still need to but there's still a private platform. That was the big thing that Barry Goldwater didn't like about the Civil Rights Act is that, and he caught hell for it for years. But he was under the impression that if I'm a private business owner. I

should be able to decide who I want to do business with. Now you're telling me that I have to do business with blacks or people of color, blah blah blah. Are you going to then start telling me that I have to do business with people connections to known communist organizations or foreign governments or this. So he had a legal stand saying, you know, this is the start of a slippery slope. If you tell me I have to allow this person in, then how long is it before you tell me I have to

allow that person in? And yet I'm a private business owner. I should be able to pick and choose who I do business with. That was his only complaint, but he got called a racist for years afterwards because people wanted to fight the racist angle, not the legality angle. So, I mean,

you know, that's forget that. It is a different thing when it comes to public accommodation because if you're a business out there, okay, now you're actually licensed and sanctioned by the state, and there is something to that, right, they can remove that sanction. Now you're not allowed to be a publicly accessible business if they wanted to. I thought that was the way it went. But you know, I don't know. That's that's how country

clubs kept out people for years. They were private, yeah, businesses, they weren't public. So when you have a social media platform, is it truly a public forum? Considering you have to basically apply for the account. Can they deny you an account? Well they've closed down. Look what they're doing on YouTube. Look at what they're doing on Facebook. I mean they shut down accounts. Stay in the night. Maria Heller is still banned on Twitter, you know, right, So is it you know, is it

truly a public platform? Well, you're selling stock to the public. Okay, but that's to still make you a public How does that make local lunch counter then work? You know, because they're not selling stock, it doesn't matter. It's irrelevant as to whether it's a public company in that way. Well, now that's the people that want to argue the public side of it.

That's the one of their arguments. You're selling stock to the public, therefore the company is being funded by the public, therefore you should let all the public in, you know. So well, then you have to argue, Okay, where does public slash private actually take place on these as opposed to to the guy that's got the deli that doesn't want to sell to Iranian sheepherders. You know, you and I open up you know one of those breakfast joints, right, you know, one of those little little diners that

only does breakfast in early lunch. Right. We do that, and we decide that we don't want to let certain people in. Okay, we make it into a private club, that's one thing. But if it's a business open to the public, then maybe there's a different set of rules. I'm thinking it doesn't matter if we're trying to sell stock. That's like completely irrelevant to the anyway. I don't want to go around in circles about it for

sure, and I'm definitely not trying to re litigate it. We have a caller, and I don't have identification on this caller, so this is an unknown caller and we'll just put him on the air. So you're live. I'm not sure who you are, but hey, what's going on? You're live on the Friday night open mic. Hey, Yeah, you guys doing tonight doing? Okay? Who is this? It's Chris from Califlorida. Oh, Hey, how you doing? Chris? Sorry? I didn't recognize your

voice right away then, and yeah, you're not. I'm trying to tone down the accent and sometimes getting away from me. Oh okay, cool, but there is an accent that I don't recognize as California. There there was a little little drawl there. Where's that from? You? Where are you from? South? Well? No, I live in Florida. I'm originally from Kentucky. Oh, k okay, that's why I'm here in the little Kentucky in there. Okay, got you? Yeah, I got to keep it at bay, you know, try to got you all right? Well,

anyway, Chris, how you doing? What's on your mind tonight? I'm not doing to bed, just working on getting some seeds started for the I'm a little late to the spring planning planning season, but trying to get all that going. That's right. What are the what are you planting this year? I'll shore I tried to grow as much as I can, tomatoes, green peppers. I mean, you know, I'm I've been doing it for by eight years. But it's learning, you know, it's a I've

still got a learners. I mean that's cool. Hey, look, it's always good to grow your own uh you know, and uh I I I love being able to when I can, but I've had some uh poor times of it since I've been in Georgia. Apparently I don't live in areas with very good soil, so I gotta I gotta do something about that. But I've tried to grow a few things here. You ever try to mix onions gardening. Well, I did a little bit of that, and then I tried to put it in the ground, and the ground just did not like

it. And and plus I I got in on it late because I didn't realize that the planning season was a little ahead because of the uh temperate zone I'm in here, you know, in the south, in the southeast, and so I was a little off. And uh yeah, I ended up you know, I got some tomatoes at one point, and I had a neighbor that I helped out get some cucumbers going. But other than that,

I mean, I really have had no success. And and uh, trying to plant onions I did not do well, which I was really surprised at because it used to be you can just chop off the top of any onion, throw it in the ground. You're gonna end up with some onions, you know. But it doesn't work like that so much anymore with the onions I'm getting, I guess. So anyways, so yeah, glad to hear it. Glad to hear it. It's always good when people grow their own stuff. That way, you know what was used on it, you know

where it came from. And you know you're not getting you know, stuff from Guatemala that God help us, might have gone in the same truck as the pigs or whatever else you know, contaminated. That's how you end up with your salmonilla and your what is the what is that other outbreak? We get all the time now we are Ekala? Yeah, like, why is that in with your vegetables? Well, because it's in a truck with animals?

Oh okay, not a good plan. But the workers, yeah, that could be too, because you know, if they're just copping a squat and doing it right there, who's gonna know until somebody gets sick? Right, Okay? Anyways, I'm sure that's not what you want to talk about, so uh but anyway, planting, so it's going good. You got some peppers and tomatoes. I love to hear that. Have you tried growing some garlic in Florida? Because that would be interesting I have. I'm still

working my way through that. I'm still you know, trialing her. You know that I've done, I've done a last couple of years and try it rather than having yield just like you my you know, my soul conditions on ideal you know, I'm you called the beginning of the Calamasha forest. So you know it's a stand that's yeah, food soiler, so you know it would take me, take me you know good, probably a decade. Yeah,

well, actually be a little plant in the ground. So most of my plants, you know on above ground Dettander's planet boxes that I built built, Yeah, that's probably I haven't had a lot of success with just like you with the onions or you had the garlic, right, I'm just I'm still working my way to it. What I grew accident ground plants, you know, Yeah, what I grew accidentally. I was going to tell you what I grew accidentally all over The last property I lived at was mint.

I had mint everywhere. It just like went all over the place. And uh because it was you know, part of one of those combination you know, spice gardens and the mint dominated everything and ended up all over the property. Was hilarious. I just had mint everywhere, and totally unintentional. It was a Chris, you're breaking up a little, So I want to put you on hold and take another caller and come back around to you, just to see if it recompresses and we can hear you a little better because you

were breaking up a bit. Okay, yes, sir, all right, Like I said, I'll come back around to you. Let's see. Now, I got another caller that says wireless caller. I don't know what's going on with these phone lines. Maybe I'm not getting the IDs anymore, but I was getting caller ID and this one just says wireless caller. I'm gonna guess it's Harlan, but I can't tell. Let's see if my guess is correct, is that you Harlan? That's right? There, we go go

where he is. Let's last seven for the day. I go ahead, glad to hear from you, Harland. But again, you're an unidentified wireless caller, which is weird because I used to be able to identify you. So I don't know what's going on with the phones. But anyway, what's on your mind tonight? Man? Not much nothing. I just got them will say, you know what kind of drama in the world you boys have stirred up? See what was going on? I've been howering at it out

all day. Well, look, no big drama so far. We covered a few things about the annoyance of real id and uh and that's about it, and talked about planting stuff with Chris for a minute. But we're totally open to whatever's on your mind. I mean you you're getting all caught up in uh in something recent here? Is there something new? Uh? Did you check out Tucker Carlson talking to Chris Cuomo about the two guys who had formerly worked for CNN and Cuomo is supposedly gonna go after him for his footin

interview, and the two of them are just sitting there giggling together. You know, two former CNN employees, although you know one of them works for News Nation now and the other one is the independent hero of the off community at this point, Tucker Carlson, I don't know you got that on your mind. You got something else going on. You got news for us? What's what's up? That must have been what Don Jefferies and Angry Tiger was talking about I believe it was just yeah, I believe it was Thursday.

They had like a SAMA cast and they was talking about Tucker and you know it mentioned about you know, who's going on whose platform. So I'm assuming that this interview you're talking about has been put out in the last few days. Yeah, yeah, two days, two days ask that, Okay, Yeah, it's it's just been you know, drive and go to sleep and get up and drive. You know, this week I caught Tiger's show We'll None on the other day, and that's that's pretty much been there. I've

not really looked around a lot of the news this week. Yeah, it's been kind of a slow week in my mind, you know, except for some of the weird tech news and stuff. I did get a copy of a book, by the way, uh, just recent in the mail. I guess it came out on the eighth of the month. Weird combination of authors be Pete on this one, the Final Analysis. Okay is the name of the book. It's a jfk Assassination book. You're ready for. The

co authors on this David W. Mantick and Jerome Corsy writing together. So and I wrote to doctor Mantick and when when I got you know, noticed that this book had came out on the eighth. I wrote to him and I said, uh, listen, I got one question for you, and don't take offense. Why in the hell did you decide to co author a book with Jerome Corsi? And he gave me an answer, and we're going

to do an interview pretty soon, me and doctor Mantick. But I got the book in my hands yesterday, so it's sitting right in front of me. I just figured i'd bring that up, because you know, I don't I don't understand Coursey. He at one time he put out a lot of good work. He did a lot of investigative stuff. He was connected with, Uh was it David Sarah in his website back late nineties? Hell what the name of it was, I'll look it up. Anyway, he did

good Oh yeah, World News Daily. And he somewhere he took a turn, and when I saw him saddled up with Ralph sin Kay, I thought, what the hell has gone wrong with this guy? And since then I've totally written off course, you haven't read a damn thing he's written, and don't care too. Yeah. See, now you and I share this opinion, and that's why I was like, and I appreciate Mantic and and a

lot of the work he's done. Totally missed that he released a book a couple of years ago on the Kennedy assassination because Mantic's work I've always read as part of somebody else's release or big articles, you know, stuff like his first big his first big outing was when he was connected with Fetzer I first book, right Assassination Science. I think was it right? Well? Yeah, yeah, and he was also I think he might have been a murder

in Dealy Plaza as well. But he's contributed to other people's works, and a couple of years ago he released a book and I didn't I totally missed it on my radar. I'm apparently going to have a copy of it shortly. And this new publisher that Mantick is with, you know, as graciously made contact with me and I'll see about other authors they carry. But it's it's fascinating to me that Mantick is not getting the big attention for his book

and he's still a valued presenter. So I'm wondering, you know, I don't, well, how much of that is people dismissing some of his earlier work because of him being connected to people like Thatcher. Yeah. See, ultimately, that's my question, and believe me, I'm going to ask him stuff like this on the show. I don't know if he's going to get offended or not, but I want to know because you know, Mantick has

done some actual, you know, scientifically based research and examination alnot. He's the one that first questioned the the X rays thought yeah, yeah, because of the white patch in the back of the head. And he went to the National Archives and actually ran tests on the X rays themselves, you know. And I'm not saying that I endorse his work. I'm just saying that there was actual work done, you know. Yeah, amazing. Go ahead, Harley, Good Harley. I'm just gonna throw a quick question after if

I'm not mistaken. Didn't back here four or five, six years ago, didn't of course you go just all in wholesale qnon Yeah, remember that correctly. Yeah, he did. See that's the thing. Course he fell into a weird nexus of stuff after he got hooked up with Ralphson K which is a minor thing. B Pete. Next thing, you know is course he was real prominent with Alex Jones, I mean super when he looked up, But he was with Alex Jones before he looked up with k It was through

Alex Jones. And that's what surprised me. I thought, you know, Alex Jones is actually given ten minutes of time to Ralph sing Kay and I think so Jeron Corsey is the one that interviewed him, and I thought this, I wonder if he Jones even knows what Corsey's doing well. But that's the thing is course, he was part of the Jones thing for a while. But when he got real, like a whole lot more prominent. I think they even gave him his own show for a bit and stuff like that.

He started doing more work and expanded to work with some other people, and it got weird. He was all of a sudden q A non he was. I think he was all in on Sandy Hook even. I mean, didn't he buy in on the Obama Bertha crap? I think so. I think that's where that may have been where he took his bent and he

just went out spiraled off out of control, right. And then the next thing, you know is he was one of the people that was willing to apologize during some of these lawsuits and stuff like that, and he was complaining that. I think he was complaining that people were going after him because of some QA non stuff and I mean weird things and so. But that's why I find it odd, because I mean, I've had private conversations with Mantic

before. And even though you know, you might have seen Mantic on The Men Who Killed Kennedy the last episodes there he comes on and talks about a few things, same episodes I think where you see Gary Aguilar on there, right, And Mantic has done again fascinating presentations in person stuff at the WET conference in two thousand and three, I think, either twenty and three or

twenty thirteen. Always responsibly conducted stuff, real research, actual documents, going to the National Archives, things like this, And you don't expect him to be hooked up with Corsey in my mind, you know, no matter what point in course his career you're talking about. So it's it's a weird thing to me. And you know, in fairness, I haven't read the book yet, and I'm trying not to be judgmental here and giving another look at

Jerome COURSI only because David Mantick decided to co author with him. I don't know how that's gonna turn out, but I guess we'll see it. Yeah, anyway, but I plan on interviewing him in in uh you know, upcoming weeks here. I also want to get William law on about that book that he wrote with Jeffries too. I'm just waiting for something to happen there, uh, in a back and forth with me and William law But it's all friendly, it's all good. I mean, he's happy to come on

the show. So I'm gonna have William law on at least once for that book and maybe for some other reasons. Uh, but you know, I'm mostly gonna have Mantek con. There's gonna be a Jeff uh No. I haven't had Don on for it because I was trying to get to law first, let's see, and you know, because Don's busy a lot of the a lot of the times that I that I asked him about, you know,

can we do a show? So you know, I was gonna have law on first, or maybe both of them, I thought, But I'm just yeah, pipe the Bimbo and Red and I have a copy of it on my shelf here. I've been through most of it, haven't finished it, but I've been through most of it, and I have some interesting questions

about some things that are going on in that book. He definitely has a huge portion here where he's talking to what is Dean Andrews the Third, Uh, you know, the the the guy that's played by John Candy and the JFK movies for those of you that don't know, who was a New Orleans based lawyer. Okay, that Garrison was familiar with is involved and actually, uh, you know there's a little connection there to the Kennedy case. We'll talk about it when we get to that book on the show, but no,

I'm gonna have Don on about it as well. It's just that, you know, I wanted to get William law too. So anyway, brother, and uh, that guy was actually your friends. Come to find that, uh, no kidding, Okay, the Dean Andrews the Third and you know, he just so happened, you know, stumble across that and later

on they got talking about this. Somebody had an idea, I don't know if it was Don or the other guy, and they just put it together and uh, you know, ended up you know, writing the book and that comment or what the title of the book is, because in the movie JFK, that was one of the things that John Candy said when he was

in the first scene. That's why as a lady walked through that was in Red, right, And Kevin Costner replies, yes, she's cute, Dino, but not as cute as you, and uh and John Kenny goes, well, thank you. So yeah, uh no, I know the movie and I know the line and that's why I mean, it is funny. But anyway, Uh, I want to get into the substance of that book. It's not a terribly thick book, by the way, pipe the Bimbo and Red, it's not a huge book. It's uh, it's interesting.

I'm holding off because I want to talk to those guys about the book on air and get to it, you know, with the authors. Anyhow, a couple of years ago, when I was producing Don's show, he was talking about bringing him on to interview him. And I had no idea that he was going to write a book about it, uh, but he was talking about that and I said, yeah, sure, let's do that, and he never got around to it, so I figured he didn't have, you know, an interest in doing it. Next thing I know is he's

writing a book. So what can I say? Anyway, But that was back when I was producing the Don Jeffrey Show anyhow, So irln anything else. I can't remember if he had on one of his shows or not. I'm trying to think I ever since you brought that up, and I swear I can't remember. I'm kind of, you know, ashamed of the game. But he did do several interviews with the co author. I can't remember if he actually had Dave Andrews own or not. I know he showed some

pictures that he had taken with me. Well, he didn't have Dean Andrews the third on the Don Jeffrey Show that I was producing. Now he was still doing an eye protest and uh I'm talking about lightly in the last six months. Oh oh yeah, Okay, Well it's hard for me to keep track anymore. Uh So, I don't know if he brought him on yet, but maybe maybe he should. He do it, do his own, big, huge promo, right, but we are going to get to that.

And like I said, I want to bring William Law on. Uh but I have William Law I have in mind for more than one thing, and uh, for personal reasons. I'm not like, uh bugging William Law right now. Okay, there's no problem between him or me or anything. It's just I don't want to bother the man at the moment. Okay. But anyways, so we're we're geez, we're almost through a full hour here,

Harland. Anything else got on your mind or because I do want to check back with Chris, And we got another caller, so I'd like to get around to everybody, and I go ahead and go ahead and grab those guys because I'm might have to get out from here for a little bit anyway, because I'm up here in northwestern Missouri, and I think there's about a twenty mile day spot. All right, Well, if I get cut off out cow back in a little bit. There you go. Yeah, try

try and join us back in in a little bit, Harlan. I'll put you on hold, and uh, yeah, it looks like I got uh let's see wepe. Do I still have Chris? I think I do. Yes, I still have Chris on the line. I've got another caller who I think I recognize, So let me check back in with Chris. See if he's got anything else he wants to add in before we get to the new caller. And uh, we're gonna have to take a break pretty soon here too, because, like I said, we're almost here the first hour.

So let's see, Chris. I think I got you back on the line. How you doing. Hey, that's a bed all right? So I got a question for you, for sure. It's gonna slightly derail the conversation topic. What do you and b Pete think about them released in the Haitian cannibal information here recently and from everything that I've gathered, that information is roughly two years old. I'm sorry with you the video that surfaced out here recently with us, you know, the gentleman they've labeled as cannibal. I

got to be nervous what I'm talking about. I gotta be honest with you. Just the gang leaders that's got the nickname Barbecue. Oh yeah, Barbecue. I'm sorry, yes, sir, Yeah, you got to be Pete. Yeah, yeah, Barbecue, not Cannibal. So you said there's some

footage out there from two years ago. From what I understand, that video came out two years ago, and I recall from the information channels that I've always that I've followed for a period of time, but yeah, that it was roughly around that period of times that yeah, they need that, Chris, costumers of cannibalism come from that region, you know, was spreading well enough. It seems it just seems like a conveniently timed in my opinion,

like there's there's something more to the story. Got you could you fill me in on this? Fill me in on this, Chris a little bit, because I'm rather unfamiliar with this story. Could you help me out a little bit how well I know they've been although I don't I'm not a purviewer of a Twitter or a k X as they like to call it nowadays. I've

been banned for a little while. But yeah, there's been a you know, there's been a video and I've witnessed a video too, and other candles and you know where you know this Yeah, as BP corrected me, gentleman named who's got the nickname of barbecue and he there's a uh, deceased gentleman laying on the ground outside and he lifts his leg up and starts eating it, you know, bite taken bites off of his calf, muscles, you

know, and this is just a Haitian gang member that's the positively taking control of the Govment of Haiti based from whatever all the information that I've gathered, at least, that's a narrative that's been laying down, laid down. Okay, Okay, now I'm now I'm getting familiar here in my mind, Okay, because I've been looking at the Haiti thing and I couldn't. It didn't

ring a bell until you mentioned. To be honest with you, this is not the only guy I've heard of with the cannibalism thing in Haiti, uh in gangland there, and yeah, there's been a whole lot of unrest where the government has pretty much lost control of the situation in Haiti, and it's not being covered a lot by our news at the moment, uh, the full extent of what's actually happening there. And the Dominican Republic, I know, is kind of nervous about what's happening, you know, right there,

because they're right there. And uh yeah, so I've seen a little bit about this, and you know there's some stuff on YouTube even about it, you know, where there's video alleging that Yeah, in fact, there is more than one barbecue guy, but there's this one main guy has kind of gone viral. Huh. So, I mean again, I still don't know a lot about it, but it kind of passed by me. And uh, this is not the first time I've heard of this kind of thing before.

You know, it's been a rumor for a long time and other people have talked about it. I had, jeez, what was that guy's name who came on my show and started talking to me about you know, hey, look, you're forgetting about Haiti's connection in the cocaine trade, which he

was he was correct about. No, no, not Hillary Clinton. This guy who was a music producer actually came on my show in like twenty fifteen to talk to me about it. I forget his name off the top of my head now, but he was like, look, firsthand, here's what's going on in Haiti, and here's the CIA cocaine connection that's still going on, you know, far outside of the Iran contra cocaine connection. You need

to look at Haiti, you know. And I started looking at it, and there's a lot of wild stuff that has gone on in Haiti that you know, you would think would make serious headlines. If it bleeds, it leads, But very quietly, there's been a lot of chaos, a lot of murders, a lot of the government losing control of various swaths of the old Country off and on and losing it to these different gangs. And that's been going on like I don't know, thirty years, at least continuously.

Now recently there's been some headlines and apparently this Barbecue guy did make a little bit of a viral news so to speak. I guess there was videos on TikTok that they took down, but they were up on TikTok for a while before they took him down. Is that right? With these cannibal videos VPTE did you did you see that? Well, the story I've gotten is that this guy's one of this what's his name is Cheries I had some kind of

French name. Hold on a second. Anyway, the guys they fame was Barbecue and they said that there was a journalist, Dan Cohen was over in twenty twenty two doing a documentary about this guy, something Cherizier. Another vision. Let's see another vision inside Hot Hades uprising. This guy's gang leader and the gangs have been worn against each other and his gang's coming out on top.

So basically, some journalists put the headline, he's the de facto head of Haiti now that the president will not be allowed to return, and the reason he couldn't return was because all the fighting going on from the games. So then he just resigned. So now they're kind of left government lists. So they're trying to put this coalition together to oversee the place until they have

new elections at all. But someone linked up to this video that was on CNN back in like twenty and seventeen, and they were talking to an Indian guy, these guys that eat their own flesh, and it was a video that was done in connection with that that when all this started, the video resurfaces, Oh here's footage of the gangs eating people. Blah blah blah blah blah. So it's kind of got blown out of proportion, and basically it's an urban legend that people are still clinging to. But I mean, truth

being known, there's some weird little cult groups in Haiti. I mean, Voodoo's big over there. What is the what is the Latin is it center Centaia? You're talking about the religion. Yeah, the religious things Santaia. Yeah, that's real big in section. So people have made the connection between this guy's gang and cannibals, and now it's on the current urban myth. Well, some of them used it as like propaganda to instill fear in their

rivals in Haiti. You know that there's been this legendary and it's, like I said, for thirty years, there's stories of this kind of stuff. You know, that they'll actually eat the hearts of their enemies and all this stuff. And you know, some of the deep dark practitioners of voodoo and stuff, you know, align themselves with these gangs and this and that. And indeed the government has lost control several times in the on the island nation,

right, and it keeps going on. And some people have said that it's all about the cocaine trade. I think something else is going on there though, because I mean usually a narco state keeps a functional government at least as a puppet in place, but Haiti they keep uh, you know, to ask you about the question, I'm not trying to interrupt you. Why if if if we all know that this stuff was already occurring a couple of a couple of years ago, if none clearly longer. You know, the

cannibalism. Why is it being released now? What's what's the purpose behind that? You know, I'm me just scare people, But what what easy purpose behind it? What's this stuff now? It's being released now to try to just scare people. The problem with Haiti, and that's weird about the island, but for why the island? But why are trying to scare people? I'm not trying to cut you off the yeah people what position It's so that

they can position certain people for the next coming up elections. Realize the the Clintons, the group are real big down and hate. They got a lot of financial interest down there. They've got what is it, Hillary Clinton's brother is like one of the top owners of one of their large mines on the island. They've ingraded themselves into the business end of things. But it's so corrupt. I mean, that's been the problem. Dominican Republic has had a

stable government for years. But on the other half the island, he got Haiti and they've had since Papa doctor value was it Papa doctor Vallier, since he was in charge. I mean, the corruption was notorious. He was basically they head gang leader of the island. He gets overthrown, then they put another guy in place, he gets killed. Now this guy's in power, and the Games got together and said let's create enough hate, discontent and

turmoil that he can't come back. And well, basically he resigns. So now it's just a shuffle the I think the video came out simply because somebody wanted to sensationalize this thing, and so they try to make the connection even though you know, people look at it, well that's from you know, eight years ago or six years ago. The hell. I think it's just done to create more chaos and to scare people. Well, from a speculative point of view, though, I wonder if this could be part of your

question, Chris, is it time for a military intervention? Is there going to be a profitable military intervention in Haiti? Okay, We're gonna need to send peacekeepers in there or something in order to get the situation under control, right to oversee the elections, restore democracy. Yeah, I wonder if that is an upcoming you know, new conflict to sell I don't know, to be honest with you, I'm kind of you know, look, it's been

chaotic, it's been a mess. Papa Doc, for all you can say about him, at the very least he was able to keep things functioning. But they're so totally dysfunctional at this point. One does wonder if that that's

what the point is. Maybe they need to create some order out of the chaos, and that's going to be the next you know, side project here, right, you know, where we spread democracy to Haiti, we got to help those people out there strounds extremely plausible, you know, I mean that's that's my general thought about it, but I don't have proof of it. It's just sort of like, that's what would make sense to me. What do you think of that, be Bete? Does that make sense to

you? Well? I think I think part of it is is the whole that that groups like the Clinton Foundation and some of these other related groups and people related to the Clintons have wormed their way in since the earthquake back in twenty ten. You know, the Clinton Foundation got a lot of money to go down there and build housing. Apparently they've only built like three houses since twenty ten when this went on. But everybody's asking where the hell is the

money that you got things like that. Well, Haiti is one of the most corrupt nations on the earth, and it has been, I think since its inception. Don't quote me on that, but it seems like we've always heard about, you know, corruption in Haiti, and that's why all of

these governments fail. It could be that certain private groups, let's say, off the island benefactors, are starting to take a little more than some of the people on Haiti think they should be allowed to get away with, and maybe a new government will be a way to start taking back some of those assets that have been built up by these off island entities that are just basically raking in money hand and foot from natural resources and things of that nature.

Well, but just could be setting up they could be setting up a new government so that they can go after some of the corruption from people off the island. It's like, why is he allowed to put that in his pocket when I can put it in mind. Well, look there's all that. Let me say, I'm sorry, Chris good go ahead. Well, as a Floridian here, you might as well to sell me one because I've been there for too that long. Uh, you know what we've got Rod DeSantis

talking. You know, he's proposing legislations for you know, blocking the you know, the bringing into the Haitian immigrants. I mean it does honestly saying like there's some narrative being laid out. I mean, there's something going on that we all aren't seeing. There's something something behind the curtains, you know

what I mean. I think you're gonna find I don't. I think it's gonna be some time, but I think you're gonna find that the governments in Haiti have been purposely destabilized by either the US or other entities for a certain

purpose. I don't know what that purpose is. Having Floridians and myself might be eaten by some rogue Haitian gangs, well, well, I gotta worry, humor, But I think you're going to see that this next government set up, because it was just what twenty twenty one when the prior president was assassinated and the guy that was in charge until the other day has only been

in for a couple of years. So, you know, when you've got something that's as corrupt as Haiti has been for centuries, trying to clean up everybody's act, people get ticked off at the interference and they say, okay, we'll just take him out. I mean the government US government has done it in thousands of places over the years. You know, what's to say that local entities in Haiti thought, hey, we're having to pay too much graft to this guy. Let's just get rid of and we can we can

our our our business economy situation will get much better. Who knows, I think that's what's being set up. You know, this is one of those back woods places where a lot of grant money and a lot of governmentey government money goes without any accounting. So it's big money for you know, some of the smaller world players to get in there and get their share. Yeah. But okay, well, I believe that the last person, that is, the last president that was assassinated. I want to say that. You

know, That's where I mean. You can call my conspiracy theorist all day long. I don't really, you know, it doesn't bother me. But believe that he was one of the few world leaders. You know, if you want to call him that I meant, which essentially he was. I mean, he was he was leading up his country and he was against the that you know, the vaccinea, the vaccine what are you going to call it? The jed you know, Jed gad the vaccine. He was against

vaccining his population. He hopefully spoke out of spoke out against it, and then it was pretty well immediately after that that he had ended up dead. Well, a lot of people were connected me unfortunately suffered in the same fate. Yeah, a lot of people have to I mean a minute, it happened. The gentleman's name was Jovenil Boise uh and he was the president.

He was elected in twenty twenty, but in twenty twenty one he was assassinated and immediately people came out with the Clinton theory that somehow he was fighting their efforts to you know, rape, pillage and plunder, so they took them out. So some people automatically out added him to the Clinton body count hole. Yeah, and plus jo I'm in Loura Sophie, I'm in the she ring a bell. I mean, you know, I mean, if we I'm you know, I'm not trying to cause it the unpleasantries. But yeah,

no, no problem. Look, but just like in any street fight or street brawl situation, there's also going to be people that are gonna walk around and pick up all the spare change that gets dropped on the ground during the fighting. Right, Uh, this is something that occurs, so there's gonna be lots to be gained. Uh. As there's a bit of chaos there, some people are gonna sweep up, you know, just the wreckage, the leavings, if you will, of this mess. And believe me,

the cocaine is not going to be interrupted guaranteed. The people that are really running that business are gonna make sure the shipments are not delayed. There will not be a supply chain issue there. Uh, Okay, it's gonna happen. I mean, I know cocaine is not the big, main, main, you know, main event drug at this point. But but still right, it's venting all right now, but cocaine is still profitable, I

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com feed. So anyways, be Pete, where the hell were we? We were onto a bunch of different things here. We got into Haiti for a minute, real id, and we got a familiar caller who I can still identify on the board, and anybody else who wants to join us by the bye three one nine five two seven five zero one six. That's three one nine five two seven five zero one six, And I'll try and get

people in for multiple drops during their phone calls. Uh, but it looks like we got Jimmy James on the line, So unless you got something that we need to add in right here, bet Pete, I say we get to Jimmy James next and then roll from there. What do you say, Yeah, let's go to Jimmy and see what he's got on his mind tonight. There you go, Jimmy James. I'm thinking you don't want to talk about Haiti. But then again, maybe you do, or you got something

else on your mind. How you doing tonight? Doing good? Here? Check? Yeah, I don't really want to talk about Haiti. If you want to know what's going on on the arm shit, I guess I could give you a quick synopsis, though I don't really want to. Okay, then don't. Hey, look you know cannibalism, Let's skip it, okay. Uh what do you got on your mind tonight? Ah? Well,

just bits of things I've been there reading seeing, just things. It might be just you might find this interesting pp in Paul Blues series, The Other Oswald? Have you listened to that you have BP? No? I haven't yet. Is this talking about two different Oswalts? No, he doesn't, No, he's he's just pointing out that she feels that, uh geez, that thorn Leine was an alternative to Oswald, so he were bringing to him

as the other Oswald. Ah well, I mean, honestly, I don't know what to make of Kerry Thornley all the way around sometimes because there's a lot going on there, man, you know, as far as the other Oswald that does evoke various theories, And you're talking about Paul Blow or Blue or however you say his name. And I introduced him at the conference and still can't pronounce his name straight. The guy who is a co author for that book choke holds right, That guy is doing a series on this new

Yes, it's a few more back. He released this as Derek coff It's just a fight Fight episode series podcasts about a half hour forty minutes apiece. Okay, and he did have a very nice job. And wait a minute, all those let me get clear on this. Thornley he was the guy who what is it? Didn't you the baker make the comment that Thornley was supposedly was running around with Marina. Oh, I can't keep track of Judy's nonsense, but no, I mean Thornley was. I mean, I think

that was one of the things she attributed to him. But also Thornley. Wasn't he the one that pulled the trigger on the gun in the bank so that he'd be in jail? No? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That guy is Oh good god, I should know his name off the top of my head. And it's military with Oswald, correct, And wasn't he also down in New Orleans? Yes, hold on, Uh, this is the complicated part. He wasn't he was on the ship with Oswald. I mean, I guess he did kind of

no Oswald, Is that right, Chuck? But he denied being in New Orleans at the time that Oswald was there. Okay, there's a definite there's definite proof that he was there. Okay, Well, you know the contingent that he would be an alternate Oswald used in you know, another event or

this event eventually, if things hadn't gone away they had. I think it's highly probable because if you look back at Dick Russ, who did the interview with the guy that pulled the trigger in the bank to go to jail, whatever his name was, that's Richard in the Playboy interview that the name Alec Haddell, which was found on some IDs that Oswald had, was a common

name used in the agency for different people at different times. So it's very conceivable that Thornley could have been even unknowingly set aside as an alternate eye Walt and something else. Here's the thing, because he actually plays recordings of Thornley later on in life, where he that's the conclusion that Thornley came to is that he was meant to be some sort of Patsy, an alternate Patsy or something. Yeah. Well, look, you know, I wonder, I

wonder what the main when you hear stories like that. You know, he could have been an alternate Patsy here, or he could have been somebody that would be used for something at another time. Is it possible that things did not go according to plan in Dallas and Oswald had to be taken out if Oswald had been able to Let's say, Oswalt was involved definitely in some way, and after this event, he flies to Coup, goes back to Russia, goes to Cuba wherever he can find somewhere that will let him in.

Is it possible that Thornley could have been used to do something later that could have been supposedly tied to Oswalt? You know, is Oswald one of those things that would have been a recurring thing had Ruby not killed him in the you know, the basement of Dallas jail. Well, look, there's been a lot of you know, these alleged templates that could have been used. People talk about, you know, the guy from the Chicago plot, right,

They talk about Thornley. Thornley also started the Discordian Society and all that. I would look to Adam go Rightley's book on him actually kind of wrote a sort of biography on him to explain Thornley quite a bit. And I think it's how he met Lee Oswald is somehow part of the title or something in that book, if I remember correctly. But Adam go Rightley, who is an odd author in the JFK genre for sure, even among the oddities, wrote a lot about him. But Thornley has been brought up over and

over again. You know, could he have been associated with this? Could he have been one of those useful assets? You know, Joan Mellon has a favorite or two of these possible useful assets as well, a lot of them seeming to revolve around the New Orleans area for one reason or another. I mean, you know, there's a whole bunch to this. It's not a simple question. But the guy that you're talking about with Dick Russell,

by the way, is Richard case Neguel. That's who that is. It's all right, Which Chuck just dropped the great that last Jeff K miss. So they did a real good job cover in that PP just a couple of weeks ago. Well, the whole problem with you know, hey, he shot intentionally into the wall of the bank and then went outside and sat down to be arrested was the story for a long time. But it kind of clashes with the police reports. It kind of clashes with him attempting to flee.

It kind of clashes with a bunch of things that happened if you believe the police reports, which in this case, I know it's unusual for me to say, but I tend to think that something happened that where he didn't just voluntarily say, hey, look, come and lock me up because I don't want to be part of this. I kind of don't buy that part of the story, although at one time I sort of did good an a miscellaneous interesting piece of knowledge EP and I have no idea where he got this,

because I haven't run into this paper yet. But he says in nineteen seventy nine they did give rad by Beckham is not stress tests a big call the voice voice stress analysis. They did voice stress analysis and a polygraph on him. Yet, yeah, and for wherever that's worth, you know, fifty to fifty he did pass it, which I didn't even know they got

did that because I knew that eight that Dallas wanted to do that. But the way I read it is they denied it, but apparently in nineteen seventy nine Paul Blue says they did, so he must have documents on that.

I kind of like to get copies of it. I'm aware that they did voice stress analysis on it because that was one of those things that I followed through for a while, and that was you know, this also came up with Joan Mellon because Joan was very much into I think that Beckham was one of the people that Joan looked at as sort of one of the possible alleged Oswalt's not literally a doppelganger or a duplicate or you know, part of the

CIA plot proper or whatever, but what it is is that maybe another guy could have been used to her. Yeah that, you know, I think I think her thought well, I won't speak for but definitely my thought was, yeah, definitely Beckham was the next in line. Something happens, everyone take a step left, or if it did have to get bigger, the so called plot, you know, then there you go, Austin, you got Beckham you got Thornley, all these guys that somehow knew each other.

But you know, you could see where it could go, right, And because Valley was a former marine or whatever, you could have tied him into it and said, oh, look this is there's this big, you know, underground plot of you know, former military assets one way or another. If you need a larger plot to lay it on, you could have. That's another potential thing where you don't have a loan assassin and they say,

oh look, there's clearly got to be connectivity between some people. You just sort of round up all the patsies and say, okay, Valley knew Oswald because he's a marine, right, and they both had some involvement in anti Castro and pro Castro Cubans that they were supposedly involved in training both of them, and you connect them together Beckham's in New Orleans. You know what I'm saying, Like, here you go. I can't draw it all out because

nobody's ever done it. But the potential is there that you could have tied a whole bunch of patsies together and said here's your plot, right, Fraser, Buel Wesley Fraser, Yeah, why not a young Knight or old receptible

young man to the evil communist intentions of Lee Oswald. Well, you know, charismatic Lee Harmy Oswald, right, But I say that jokingly to go that way, I think they, I mean, clearly, these people at plans contingency plans, contingency of contingency plans, because nothing went right in Dallas

and yet it did get pulled off. Well, see, there's the other thing is let's just say, okay, for the sake of argument, that you've got a completely oblivious patsy, right, and he just accidentally doesn't go to work when he's supposed to, or somehow, you know, winds up cracking his tooth and goes to a dentist or you know, god knows what,

right, and he's at a position you're gonna needs. What's that gets hit by a bus okay, gets hit by a bus whatever, right, Or decides to stay home and not go to work because he's gonna argue with Marina about moving back in with him. Whatever. Let's just say the guy takes himself out of position through something they couldn't foresee. You need other guys

to fall back on, and who knows right? And again if you needed a larger plot because suddenly proofer merged that somebody had to be involved with X y Z. Well, maybe they have a convenient guy waiting, because they can say, like I said, you got two former marines, right, or two former military guys. They knew each other because and this guy thought they was on a boat with him, you know, et cetera. I mean, they could just expand they could just kept expanding it because for something

they were right around. There's especially in New Orleans. It's like, come on, what is the chances it that? I mean it is, I guess by chance, but it's really weird. Yeah, but there you go, how do you know certain people later in life anyway because you met him

along the way doing something? Uh, And and it probably wouldn't be too hard to figure out different ways to either fabricate or pull people literally from their natural connections, their natural sph spheres of influence in real life and say, well, this person's connected to this one, or there could be a connected

person in between, you know. Okay, so these two guys trained Cubans at some point and offered to train Cubans, right, maybe they knew the same guy that they were offering to train Cubans with you know, the approach to berengear. I mean, there you go. Or maybe he's a you know, look, there's all kinds of ways to try and tie people together, and it could have been done if it was necessary. But since you don't need more than the loan nut, why bother? Right? So maybe

they were contingency players. Yeah, no, right now, I just want to say, for the record, this is all speculation. I'm not saying that any of this happened. I'm just saying that there are people that say, we're just speaking here and I could hear be peace chopped and at the bits to say so, I'm go ahead, but I don't want to talk over you. Yeah, BP, did you want to add something in here? Oh no, I've been listening now. I mean I agree with your

theory. Yeah, you can have a collective bunch of patsis what would that? What is it? What would a group of patsies be called? But hear you, guys, I want to hear your guys's reaction in this part's more than theory. It just seems to be there's an A team, a B team, a C team, and they know different various things, but

no one except the A team knows what's really going on. I kind of look at Oswald and Thrnley and all these goofy people as the B team, like they're they're going to be doing things, but they don't exactly know why. Well, how about they're all part of the B team that you know they're they're all part of the B team, but they don't necessarily need to know each other, and they're all being put in place so that the A team actually gets the job done and we don't know who the hell those people

are still. How about that? You know that would be the way I would get it. Well, we do, we do kind of know who the age. I mean, Colonel Rip Roberts was there. He was up and if he was there, his team was there. They were up to sell. No, there's a lot of strange goings on there, like why is there you know, suddenly a military intelligence photographer that gets stuck in the school book depository. He needs his boss to get him out, right, Uh, you know, weird stuff like that. That one that one I

got an answer for. It turns out, you know, they act like this guy's a super secret This guy was a knee nothing, that his job was to look into the backgrounds of people that wanted to join the military. The close playing guy that said he was a special agent and possibly people misheard him and said secret Service agent. But he was the guy taking pictures, wasn't he, Chuck, Well, no, he ends up with that one picture of the school book depository. Uh, you know, oddly branded Bradley

Brandon, something like, oh, no, you're talking about Braiden. Braiden, the guy they arrested. The guy that's the guy they arrested coming out down text building. Yeah. Yeah, well they held it because he flashed a badge. He kept trying to hang around them, and then they're like, who are you? And now everyone says the Army's little secret of agents were partner around this guy's background was he was literally just calling people's school teachers

at things of people that wanted to join the military. Well, people have a convoluted idea about uh, you know, the these guys that are supposedly the secret Service agents everywhere, Right, everybody points to that whole there's Secret Service agents everywhere, and that's not true. You know, there's one agent. If you follow his testimony, he jumps in and out of the motorcade

and he's running around trying to figure out stuff. And if you follow what he describes as running around, it's really one guy running around with a Secret Service ID. And he jumps back on to a later car in the motorcade and ends up, you know, at Parkland eventually, and it's one guy. It's it's not you know, fifty Secret Service agents they're everywhere. No, they're not. And they mix that up with these other people that supposedly had IDs, and you know, there's a bunch of stuff going right.

But in that position, if someone said I'm a special agent with whatever the Army cis, they probably just a special agent. And that people heard secrets whatever you know, or some their FBI I don't know well, And then you got Sheriff's department personnel that are not necessarily on duty, but we're hanging around and sort of mobilized as well. And then nobody fills out a report

because nobody wants to go to Decker and say that they were there. So there's that going on, you know what I mean, There's a lot of people walking around that could have had badges that are in that area. And again people mix it up because somebody saw a badge and they say, oh, we thought they were Secret Service because they were dressed in plain clothes,

and it could be an off duty sheriff or deputy. You know. There's all kinds of even one of them reserved ones, like that guy that looked like he's seventy sam or the guy that they had guarding the ramp right who was a reserve officer and he didn't see ruby, you know, even though he should have. The guy who's what do they call him auxiliary, right, and uh, and he was just guarding the ramp, you know. So anyway, there's a lot going on here and people mix things up,

the Secret Service agents everywhere. It really it comes down to one guy. If you take a look at his Warren Commission testimony, it helps nobody to think that this guy jumped around and ran around a bit, which he did and apparently ended up on a car further down in the motor cake and just took the ride. Okay, So and it's one agent. I can't remember the agent's name off the top of my head, but it's one guy. Was it the one? Well, it did turn out that they had another

advanced age if no one ever mentioned before. So there may have been two, yeah, maybe, but mainly the one guy who's running around like crazy is the guy who jumped off of a car. Yeah. Yeah, there was one guy who jumped off of a car. And he gives testimony to the Warren Commission that he ran around and was trying to figure out what was going on. And look, you know that that area is small guy that started putting up his hands like what what what or something? Yeah, that

guy. And but but he ends up running around and uh, like I said, it's just he he's in a bunch of places at once because he's running around trying to get an eye on this. Because nobody else jumped off of the motorcade outside of Clint Hill and what was it? Ready called him back right and Clint Hill kept going. He ends up on the back of the presidential limousine. But nobody else jumped off of the running boards or anything except this other guy. So anyway, but it's one guy and he and

he counts for it in the Warrant Commission. You can line it up. I just I forget the guy's name because he's not important. Otherwise, well, well, well, well a lot of third so lately, like the information when you guys got to the Passos scenario and Octopus. Of course, I had to first endure about a half hour of Opperman talking crazy Trump at Cock for well whatever. I couldn't stop Opperman. He just kept rolling, and I was just like, yeah, go ahead, man, you know,

talk about what you want to talk about. I was trying to get at some of those other shows, and I even asked him about that crazy JFK guess he had, so you know, what are you gonna do, ed Zone, Oh yeah, that's really weird. Well, like you said, he's just put the information out there, I guess. But yeah, that Castillaro stuff i'd really like to hear more. I mean, this octopus thing, all it goes back, well, you know the promised software.

Sure, but may Brussell was talking about this stuff in nineteen seventy two, right, And the reason she was talking about it was because that speaker of the house, that guy there in Alaska was talking about it at that time about how well allegedly he was speaking about it at that time, about how he's going to really look into the octopus, which I've always kind of tipped me into spoopery. Yeah. I took it that way for a long time too, until the Castellarro story surfaced. I just thought of it as a

metaphor. You know. But when they get into this software and all this backdoor stuff that was going on, and it kind of starts to make sense that this is a perfect NSA tool considering the collections they were doing. And then yeah, you get into an area where eventually, guaranteed somebody's going to figure out a way to monetize that. And if you've got all the inside information, you've got access to everybody's personal and private stuff, including their bank

account numbers and everything. You know, it's almost to guarantee that if that's you know, concealed in a secret of agency, what's going to happen. And then they were selling knockoffs of this stuff to other governments too, so you know, it's it's a whole mess, man. Uh. That Castillaro story is one of those things that can overwhelm you really easily, but it's also a useful metaphor. Oh yeah, it's it's so it's so crazy, it's like almost like the uh, the guy on the park bench from DC.

Yeah, the mister another thing I just what's this. You're talking about the Donald Sutherland character mister X and the movie JFK. Yeah, No, No, I mean the Hillary Clinton's whole boyfriend Manatha Lewis, Oh, Vince Foster. Yeah, I was watching something about that today. By the way, there's some new information actually a lot about that. I was thinking about doing a show on it. But go ahead. Uh it's oh, I

got there. I cook call to Age of Transitions. But there was some yeah, question about where Aaron. Aaron is taking a break from phone calls. Is why he doesn't want to take phone calls for a few more weeks, I think, and I don't know exactly why, but he wants to do the monologues and do certain things certain ways and bring on guests. So last week he had one line Bob and uh yeah, that was that.

Well all right, so now that can have been my bob, because they were discussed as circuit boards, and I tried to call in because they're talking. It's just they're talking about the I suppose Taiwan and how supposedly we want to go to war because we got to have the circuit boards. Oh that that was in Aaron's hour. Yeah, yeah, in Aaron's talking about the technical the tex stuff. Yeah, if he taken Wait, I'm confused. Is Aaron not taking calls or his uncle not? Neither one is taking calls

for the next couple of weeks. That's what they want it. Yeah, it's got nothing to do with me. Uh, it's that that's what they want. I'm just here, you know, I'm just the producer. So anyway, Jimmy James, I thank you for calling. I'm gonna put you on hold and uh beat Pete. We got two other callers on hold here. We gave Jimmy a lot of time. I mean, who should we go to next? Or or or do you got something you want to throw

in the hopper here? Because I mean I gave you that story. See if Harland still with us, see he may be showing, but he could be disconnected like it was last time. That's true. I'll tell you. I found it interesting that story I passed to you, and I think I got Harlan back on. But that story where somebody tried to swat my orcis uh. You guys know about swatting, right where people call in a false situation and they get a swat team to show up at your house and stuff

like that. Gamers were doing this to each other for years. Apparently somebody tried to do that to a secretary of my orcs recently and they busted the guy. And there's been like a serious uptick in these swatting incidents, which is the weirdest phenomenal. What Nicky Haley got? What swatted twice? I think something like that. Yeah, So Harlan, you with us? Hell? Yeah, I'm wait all right, so I made it through? Cool? Did you hear about these swatting incidents recently, Harland? Or you got

something else on your mind? Uh? Well, I got a couple other well I had a couple other few things. But you know, Jimmy's story was pretty interesting. But I don't know, I who have time. But yeah, I've heard of a few here and there, you know, over

the years. It's kind of scary they personally, I really ain't got nothing to worry about it when I'm home for the most part, because it was something other bad like that, you know, time it got out, you know, I mean, the other people would know it was bullshit that could you know, pull a string back on that, you know what I mean? But anyway, I have heard about it. I think it's bullshit,

and I also think that they should have to verify. There's several of these situations could really get nasty for everybody involved, because everybody now should have seen at least a few videos or these hooligans and these thieves and you know, the scumbags runs up the people's house beating on the door saying they're the police anyway, you know, well alone when it really is so I think they should be a little bit more diligence, you know, put into some of

this before they just go sending us what team, especially this day in time where this is known to happen, right, And you know what, Netflix did a docu series ACI series in twenty twenty two, I guess, you know, and the lead story and that was death by Swat And the name of the series was Let's see uh web of make believe death lies in the Internet. And one of the main things was, you know, these innocent

people getting gunned down. Uh, because you know, two gamers end up arguing with each other and one guy goes, yeah, well i'll get you back, and he sends a SWAT team to the guy's house and it turns out he had a VPN misdirecting him. And in another instance, the guy sent him to the guy's old address because somehow he was registered to his old address. And there was just like a family sitting down eating dinner and uh, you know, Dad opens the door and they just kill him right there

in the doorway. You know, I watched that series. Did you see that? That series? You know, Harlan, did you see that? Now, I've heard some of the stories, you know, like I say, I mean, they need to be more diligence put into this. I mean, you know, George was Washington said the power to tax is the power to destroy. I say, the power to accuse is the power to destroy. Yes, And there's not only you know, just this sweat that I've heard of. I've heard of, you know,