The Ochelli Effect 2-16-2024 Open Mic

The o' chili Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Windows dot Com and listeners like you, Yeah and now most aggervated Noise and in all media YEA February sixteen, twenty twenty four. Allegedly, according to that thing we call a calendar,

this the O'Kelly effect. You listening to it, you could be hearing us live on a friar's day because it is live on the weekdays now, I have missed a bunch of Tuesdays, but trying to give you extra podcast throughout the week, and it took me a little while to get it done this week, but three brand new ones just dropped before airtime today and this one will get out there sometime over the weekend. So no matter where you are, when you are, what's going on? Man? I mean,

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Ocelly on Skype. Send me a message and I'll call you into the show and you can join myself and my co host b Pete, who we're gonna hear from in a moment. But the standard way to get in touch with us is through the phone number three one nine five two seven five zero one six also live chat atocelly dot com. And uh, there's a few people in there. I'm gonna go take another look. I mean, every week we get Bpete's video clip of the week, he picks out his favorite music

video for that week. I don't even know what the process is for that anyway. B Pete, First, how you doing? But second I never asked you. How do you even pick those things? The video of the week? Oh? An? The other week's pretty simple. I mean, if something's come out new, I'll throw it up there. But usually it's a miss massive stuff I either grew up with or some some out of the ordinary individuals, either instrumentally or groups, but from all over the world.

But tonight's pick was a Korean K pop group that just finished tour in the States late last year like I don't know, I guess August, no, September, October. Then they went out on the jingle Balls the iHeart jingle Balls tour for Christmas, came back to the States hit like six big cities and then just released their second album right after the first of the year here.

So last week we heard their title track. This is their B side that they released, and it's all reference to a former member and stuff that they've been going through. But they had one song off this album that was actually banned from KBS television in Korea because of the suggestive lyrics. And Korea is a unique place. They have a very very strong patriarchal system that has been in place for centuries, and there's a lot of ways that they wouldn't

really mesh intoday's American society or Europe. Well, some europe still carry that same patriarchal overtone to what's going on. I mean, Switzerland didn't allow women to vote in all their cantons until what seventy four, seventy six something like that. Really all the last content canton finally caved in. But this group has been creating some stir in that they're fighting all these old traditions with what they're doing with their music, and it's really created a big buzz and they're

becoming very popular here in the States. Is that what you like about Cats? I want to ask you, is that what you like about k pop, like the lyrical content, the fact that there's still that societal struggle that you know harkens back to I don't know, our nineteen fifties when you know, people were getting together in communities and protesting rock and roll is the music of the devil. Don't play it on the radio, you'll harm the children home. Is it back to that? Yeah? Good, No, It's

like when hip hop was big here. It started to pick up. There's a group called Epic Hi and it was three guys in Korea that started to take rap and hip hop. And really this is like a second generation group, which is back in the say, two thousand and eight to two thousand and fourteen era. Back in that day, k pop used to be kind

of Korea's top forty bubblegum. But there's this huge industry you look at like Disney and Nickelodeon and companies like that that have these farms where they find these kids, they train them in all these diverse aspects of acting, singing, dancing, blah blah blah, you know, and they become famous. Look at Selena Gomez and the rest of Ariana Grande. All of them came out of the Disney School. Well, over there, it's I mean the industry

dwarfs that over here. They have like weekly competition shows that all of these groups that are premiering with new music go out and they compete against each other. It's a huge industry over there, and it's just amazing to watch their culture. But there's so many things that was just cookie cutter. This group looked like that group. They all sounded the same, They all basically had

the same formula. Okay from the big entertainment companies. This company is a small company that formed this group and since they debuted, they have been set in records as they go there. The girl who is their leader was in all of these competitions like Unpretty Rap Star, where they had like ten girls go at each other who could perform, rite, and produce the best rap. They had another show called Produce one oh one where all of the entertainment

industry sent these people to it and they competed against each other. The top winners formed a group and went on and they promoted the group. It didn't last very long, didn't hold together. Sounds like the American idol phenomenon. Speed is what it sounds like. Y'all. Well, yeah, in fact, it probably started what you're seeing, what you saw migrate to England and then the voice and all that and then came over here started probably you could

say it started in Southeast Asia case there. Okay, So a you telling me, is this kind of idea about you know, putting it out to the public and having them vote in this kind of thing which we saw emerge here in the early two thousands pretty much right here in America. Was was already a thing there? Or did they pick it up from us? Or well it it was kind of it kind of bloomed at the same time,

but they perfected it. They've turned it into just a huge industry. You think, you know, American idol over here is something it's nothing compared to what it is over there. Well it was huge, Well it was huge, right, And but the thing is it, you know, like most trends in America, right, they have a shelf life. And I mean I found it interesting that you said when hip hop was big, well which

time hip hop was big? Because hip hop has been big, big, big, big at certain times where it just dwarfs everything else in the music industry. I would say, yeah, I would say the era after two thousand oh okay, and and there are groups. Epic High was a group that came along. There's a lot of individual rappers. The rap business in

Korea is different in that the language kind of creates a barrier. So some of the first guys that got into rapping Korea had to actually sit down and of a way not only lyrically, but keeping the beats to convert Korean into a form that you could put into rap. It's amazing the songs. There's a rap section in this song that the leader performs. In fact, you know most of their songs there will be a rap section in it. That's

how she got her start. But she has gone on. She has challenged the business to the point that when they started out, they looked at everything that they did and they were very cautious. They said, Okay, we're going to debut this new group, but to be honest, we don't have a name for him and we don't have any music for them. So the girl that started that was the head of this group sat down and started writing.

She just got admitted to the Korean Official Music Offers registry. She's that good now She's had hit after hit after hit, and she's fighting this male dominated business over there. She sat down and made a comment she wanted to she wanted to do this song in this way, and they kind of bucked her. And she puts a PowerPoint presentation together and goes and convinces them one on what they're going to call the band and or group, and two what

their first song is going to be. And from there she took off. They're one of the only groups in K pop that write and produce their own music. Most of the music is written by three or four of the members. See what I'm hearing here, b Pete is a whole bunch of trends that disappeared in America. You know, the music business shifted around and continues

to shift constantly. It's a very fast moving industry. You know, if you get in that business five years later, everything you do, everything that you relied on to be absolutely successful and was perfectly workable, could be totally irrelevant in five years without question. H true. And it's really look at

the independent market over here. You know a lot of the bigger labels that were consumed by CBS and and and you know, all the big labels back in the seventies and the eighties that we listened to coming up right, those companies have changed so much and have fragmented so much that it's the independent labels now that you see a lot of the music coming out in the States,

Canada, well, I bet you can say North America. But with the advent of the web, artists can get their music out there directly to their to their fans. Over in Korea, it's all industry driven. It's all entertainment companies that are pumping this out. I mean, you'd think Disney pumps out kids for the business. Korea, You've got sixer well probably six or seven big companies over there. They're pumping out, you know, two three bands a year to see what will will take hold. It's for these for

these women to be able to buck the system. She the leader of this group, gian Soyon. She made the comment one time. She went to her bosses and said, look, we want to do this, and they said, well, that's production work, and she goes, well yeah, and they said, well, well well you don't. You can't do that. She said why, I said, because you're a you're a girl.

She said, what's that got to do with it? So she's taken over to the point now that the company has told her, you don't have to tell us what you want to do, you tell us what you need to do it. So they go out and spend one point one billion one about eight hundred and thirty nine thousand dollars on a music video and one point eight million pre sales of their albums. I mean, they started out in twenty eighteen and they have taken over the business. It's amazing to see their their

all that it is. All you're describing to me, though, is stuff that has happened here in America faster and disappears quicker. It just lasts longer over there. Like everything begins with the organic independent Okay, that's usually the trend maker, and then it is co opted by a corporate entity and then somebody comes up with a way to mechanize it. I mean, i'll give you an example. Boy groups, Right, We're a thing that you know,

some lunatic came up with. You know, the many different independent producers that were out there decided, you know what, I'm gonna put together a boy group, not based on I'm gonna go find talent. I'm gonna go find guys I can market just as them, and then I'll teach them how

to sing and stuff. And what did we get. We got that in the eighties, briefly the eighties and the nineties, we got the you know, beginning with examples really taken from other cultures like Menudo, they turn around and grab up guys and create what new kids on the block, right, And the way that the big difference, the big difference here in this group, and this is one reason why this group stands out the way that they do is that there is every I would say ninety six percent of all the

music that they had put out has been written by four of the members in the group and produced by those members. So these these are individuals who had definitely have the talent. And that's like last week, you know, this big one point one billion dollar production that they put into a music video. That's another thing that I like about the Korean music. You see a lot of the music video talent that the film making that goes into this and the

companies that can produce this stuff. It's amazing. It's a shame that MTV became what it became again, they lost an art form, but that we don't get to see as much. Yeah, but the use to do it here. We can even go back to the cities with the monkeys, right, we could go back to the monkeys where it was like, let's put together this fake group for TV and then they had to learn how to play their instruments, right you know. Yeah, well, see this is the

exact opposite. These are five people who were talented the god they came together. I mean, the think of it this way, marketing wise, you started out with six individuals who on their own are all the equivalent of supermodels when it comes to the advertising that they've done for you name it, Fendi

and other companies. But then they all have talent to be able to sit down write their own music, produce their own music, and come up with these music videos, right, and it's just amazing the amount of input that they have. What you see with g IDL is not the reflection of an entertainment company. It's those five individuals one left, and that's kind of explained in this latest video. But those five individuals are now setting the boundaries and

it's actually setting the industry on its ear. Yeah, but see that's what I'm saying. But Here's the thing you told me before though, that that you know, they didn't have experience doing anything to begin with, right, So what did they do? They kept saying, well, I'll go do this kind of work production whatever, and they said okay. So and that's what I'm saying. This group of individuals in g Idol, they all had

experience doing things. I mean, yes, they went as trainees to this company, right, but most of them had been doing things on their own that got them in that company. Oh, let's put it that way. Well, but see, but that was the other thing I was describing, is that things start out organically. Like you know, you mentioned hip hop.

Well, initially this was the stuff that the DJs were doing in the clubs and stuff, right, So these guys were turning around looping stuff together, you know, putting together classical music and you know, and and James Brown beats and mixing stuff. Right, And once that started working, and

then people started rapping over it, then it became a thing. You know, I've talked about on I don't know if it was on this show or another one, where you know, we were talking about hip hop and the evolution I remember clearly here and you know, like jam Master Jay was not part of run DMC necessarily. He was just a dude spinning records, right, and he just mixed stuff together and it was interesting and think about what

that evolved into, you know. But the thing is it always starts on some level where an artist creates something, you know, much like you could go all the way to the guys in Cypress Hill who created stuff, and the record companies were like, we can't sell this, you know, like we don't know how to sell this, and they went out and did their own thing. And then the next thing, you know is they were you know, brought into the industry and they're they're one of the biggest acts.

And then they were one of the biggest acts, and now they've gone back through the site where you know, the old way of doing things doesn't even fit with the old Cypress Hill model. And it just moves very very quickly here in the US. I mean, even if you go to the grunge and you know, the other things that emerge, the heavy metal stuff that came out of la you know, for a little while, you get like

a five year life to anything here. It doesn't matter what kind of music it is, and it'll go from street level, somebody creates it, it's an innovation to next thing, you know is people start putting money into it, and then the corporations grab it and create a mechanism to create these people. And the next thing you know is, you know, you got New Way Punk with Green Day, you know, being quite marketable even though they started out as an organic, you know, garage level band and all that.

And nowadays these groups are assembled by the corporate entities or they're totally independent things that start out on YouTube and get picked up. It's just it's a it's really like chaos at the moment in America with this. But but still there's room for stuff like the Disney Corporation to mechanize and create people. And that stuff goes all the way back to uh, you know, the Hollywood creations and you know, pumping certain people as we're gonna make you a teen

idol, and they used to be very successful. As soon as they invested in enough money, they can make anybody big. And I'm talking about going back to Eddie Arnold and people like that. I'll tell you a weird thing that I discovered actually not too long ago, and I felt that I knew the history of this particular artist pretty well, but I didn't. You remember Ronnie James Dio. Okay, so the guy who you know, ended up saying and rained without I think if I did deep enough, I think I

got a d O album in my stack. Well you might, but I bet you there's one thing you don't have in your stack, which is extremely rare, which is Ronnie James Dio almost as a Frank Sinatra type teen idol. They were trying to sell a mess. Okay. Remember Frank Sinatra was actually like a teeny bopper idol kind of guy. You know. They were marketing him as that, and he had the voice for it. He had

the chops. I know, it sounds weird that the weird little short guy with the funky hair, and yeah, he was being marketed as like, you know, a Sinatra style teen idol sort throwback at one point, and it didn't work out. They couldn't sell him as that. And you see that you know happen here and there. But it used to be that just by sheer will, it didn't matter the level of talent. They might have

been super talented, they might not have been. Songwriters would come in I mean, you well know the stories about other songwriters creating stuff like you know, we go to the foundation of rock and roll basically, and you see how the blues artists got all picked up and their songs got passed around. I mean, these different evolutions really only have a five to possible ten year lifespan, and they go from like I said, the street level innovation.

The guy who might be sitting there with you know, his acoustic guitar on the street corner, goes all all the way from there to mechanize corporatism and then dies on the vine within five years, sometimes ten. All these things it's pretty wild to me. I mean, one of the only weird trends that has continued and baffles me is the modern contemporary country stuff has continued to

evolve. I thought it would have eventually reverted back to the you know, because country music has often reverted right back to the very basic, rot gut bluegrass, you know, those kind of selections eventually where it's very gritty, very basic, and it usually goes back to that, and it has not now for a good couple of decades. That's the only trend that I haven't seen revert back and these things expand and contract continuously, and it's not all

based on popularity, and it's not all based on money. It's a weird cultural phenomena that is in constant flux in America different than the rest of the world. Trends last longer in the rest of the world. And it's funny to me because one of the most short lived trends in America is always pop music and stuff that K pop might be, you know, in the same

bin as in America. That stuff changes so rapidly here that they would have no time and there would be no point in investing the kind of money that you're even talking about, you know, for these K pop bands here, except that they're now crossing over because we have more of a global you know, shared pop culture now and they continue to grow so but Korea will be no longer. I mean, that's what you're discussing and what I'm taking from

it. Yeah, in two thousand, No. Twenty twenty two, I think it was, Yes, the nine top selling albums in the US were by the Korean boy group BTS. There their rage, it's slight, they missed the wave. They're finally the Korean music scene is finally starting to hit and break into the US scene. You saw it back in the early two thousands with groups like Big Bang and twenty one that were from YG Entertainment. He just got busted on a big gambling scheme coming over here. And that's

funny thing Koreans. It's against law of gambling Korea, and it's against the law for Koreans to gamble outside of Korea, and they can bust you for it when you come back. He and a bunch of other guys went to Vegas, and there's a whole bunch of other crap that went on. But I was just going to ask you. You mean to tell me that Koreans can go to Vegas, return home and get busted for stuff they did in America. That's that's the way that works. Wow, Okay, No,

I had no idea about that. That's that's pretty well. But well, I'll give you an example. Twenty one was a girl group formed by YG. When they debuted in two thousand and nine, they broke records. They have a thing that in Korea that's called a perfect all kill. And for you to get a perfect all kill, you have the top eight music charts and the Daily Active Charts number one at the same time, and it's rare to do this. One group had one individual in it that released two singles.

She hit two perfect all kills within three years of each other. This group, g Idol, has had two perfect all kills twice back to back in the same year, which is a very rare thing. There's only been like four groups to do it. But twenty one made some inroads in the US. In fact, they busted the Billboard Top two hundred, which surprised

everybody when they were able to do it. So that's been a goal since early two thousands, is to crack into the US market and if you can, if you can debut on Billboard's Top two one hundred, you've done something. And these groups are starting to do that. Like I said, the top nine selling albums two years ago was BTS. It's amazing the enroads that they've made, so you're gonna see more and more of their artists coming over here. G Idol has pulled two US tours already back the year, back

to back years and have been very successful. They're moving up on the venues to where before long they'll be able to fill the larger mid range to coliseums. I mean, they're becoming that popular. So it's it's amazing to see the change and see the wave hit over here, because you've got to realize over there, all of your airwaves are controlled by the government in South Korea, your radio stations, your TV stations. It's not like it would be

like Britain but not. But it's just been so hard for them to break into the US market, mainly because most of their songs are written in for and perform in Korean, and that's not, you know, something that a lot of people pick up. So this album that they did just a couple of months ago with eighty eight Rising. Eighty eight Rising is a company in California that's trying to promote Asian artists in the US. They making Trainer was

one of the co writers on one of the songs. They got people to provide music for Idle to do in an all English album, and it's done very well. I mean, it's surprised a lot of people. But it's things like that that they're doing that is going out of the norm. But the biggest thing that they're doing is they're changing the industry in Korea, which is what's creating such such a stir. You know, females didn't used to walk into boardrooms and go I need one point one billion one for an MV

and they go, okay, we'll split it with you fifty fifty. She goes, okay, deal. Well, you know that's how good she's come. Well and as per usual. Look, they adjusted here in America too. I mean, you know, for a long time, artists weren't even allowed to do on their master tapes, and women couldn't say crap. I

mean they were just where's your manager, lady? You know, up until a certain point, I mean, the industry's shift and move and uh, you know, this is an interesting discussion about the business of music and also the trends of popular culture. So I find this fascinating and we could be open to any discussion tonight. By the way, guys, so again three p one nine five two seven five zero one six you can join in and discuss it with us. But uh, you know, hey, this is

great. I love it when you got something that you could really roll through and we uh, I guess we should call you the resident K pop expert here on the network because there's yeah, you know, it's it's amazing the talent that they've got over there that a lot of people haven't realized that, especially in the rap scene, and it's it's hard. Not anybody can rap.

You know. When EM and M came along, a lot of people were sitting there going, this white boy can't rap, and then they heard him and thought, oh my god, he's become one of the greatest over there. They have a lot of artists that basically had to go underground because they were being censored so much by throwing things in their wrap about the societal problems that they're dealing with, you know, the homeless, mental health,

things like that that are to boose subjects over there. Mental health is something There was a member of that group, twenty one who had lived over here in the States and gone to school. She went back to Korea three straight years to audition for this company, and they finally accepted her, thinking if she's got that much determination, then she's going to do well. She's the

one to turn around and hit two perfect doll kills back to back. But she was being treated for ad D. This was before ADHD came along, and they've really not had a good medication to use for that, so they use ADHD medications. Know the problem that's going to come into this story, Go ahead, yeah, yeah. So she's over in Korea. They're going on a world tour. She's busy with their Asian section of the tour going on. She can't make it back to the States to her doctor. So

they mail her prescription for adderall to Korea. But when they did it, family member over here got the prescription filled from her doctor at the university where she had been treated when she was going to school over here, sent them in the mail. Well, all the mail goes through Inshon Airport in Korea, and it was inspected and they found the drug. So they let the box go on to be delivered and then went to where it was delivered to

bust whoever received it. Big scandal. The thing was they investigated this. She showed them her prescriptions, she showed them her medical records, blah blah blah. They said, oh, okay, fine, However, this drug is not legal here because it has a bit of methamphetamine in it, and all methamphetamine is illegal. So when they let them go, they let her go. She changed her medication to a Korean medication. And it didn't work

to well. She had some health problems from him. But anyway, the story was actually broke four No, it happened in two thousand and ten. Yeah, twenty and fourteen, when the seawall ferry sank over there and all those students drowned in the ferry accident. Everybody was, yeah, so this has happened. And then and the government's getting a lot of flak for slow

reaction and all that. A reporter with a news organization over there released the story then that four years earlier, Park Boum was investigated for drug smuggling. Well, boom, the whole world in Korea went nuts. This was Korea's darling. This was, you know, a member of twenty one who was an entertainer tied to a company who had had some problems with some of their members smoking a joint in the past. So it got blown all out of

proportion. They immediately put the band on hiatus. After a year of them not doing anything, one of the members came up and said, hey, I was promised a solo. I haven't had a chance to do it. Are we going to read it to goo? To our contracts up for a negotiation what are you going to do? They would not allow her to do a solo project, so she didn't renew her contract and left. Well, that leaves the band down to three people. The other three members didn't find

out that the company disbanded them. This was in April when this person left. It was November when the company announced in the news that the band was disbanded. The group was no longer and the other three members and find out about it until it came out in the news. I mean, that's how shifty they were about doing this, so it can it completely changed those four members and the amount of pool that they had in the business. Now Park Boum has come back from that. She's now a solo artist. But it's

amazing how some little societal thing like that can completely ruin somebody's life. It's sport in Korea for these people to find dirt on idols and actors and important people. So there's so much tied society wise to this whole idol complex. It's amazing. And to watch the interaction between things happening and companies doing this and companies doing that, it's crazy. I mean, it's like its own

ky drama to watch what goes on in this industry. It's so chaotic, but it's so open, and there's so many things that you know, the public knows about because people are reporting on them. Like I said, it's a sport to try to take down an idol over in Korea, and they do it. Is they call them, you know, Korean citizens, but on the they're nedicine so k nets is the term that they use to describe these folks. But it's just amazing. It's you know, it's to watch

the microcosm of what goes on over there related to business over here. Yeah. Well look, I mean it is, uh, it is what it is. I mean, it's they it's sport over there. It's sport everywhere

to try and take down people that are prominent in the media. I mean, that's what I tell you to show you the difference when people over here found out what had gone on the four years before and thought, well, no, wonder they didn't buster the girl had a prescription for the medication and it's handed out here like you know, skittles, right, so nobody could understand what the big deal was. But in Korea, you don't even discuss

mental health issues on TV and things like that. It's one of these things, these idols, some of these idols are driven to the point of suicide for the amount of harassment that they get from the citizens over there. It's an unspoken problem that this group, in particular g Idol, is starting to address in a lot of their music, and that's what's got a lot of people stirred up. Now you get her, you know, opening her own

doors within the industry. I wouldn't be surprised to see this group when it comes time for renewal, go independent and the leader of their group be running her own production company in the next five years. So with that, you know. Obviously Bepat is a huge fan of this kind of stuff, keeps track of all of it, including the controversies, right, you know, stuff that I never even please. I'm not even vaguely aware of this stuff.

I'm vaguely aware of the music, so totally uneducated and uninitiated here. So this is all brand new to me. But let's see about our caller, and we got one on the line. Anybody else can join us three one nine, five seven five zero one six Uh, And I'm gonna ask, hey, Jimmy James, are are you a big K pop fan or what. No, I can't say I am. I had a feeling you weren't. Did you want to ask? Is that in your on that trip when you went from Georgia to Texas? Is that what you guys jam two

and talked about. No, No, we did not. Uh. We we had interesting conversations. We uh listened to some regular old kind of like classic rock stations, basically general FM rock, uh pretty much, but most of the time we were talking. Actually I think BP right, Yeah, we did. Uh. I never cut on YouTube music. And like I said, we didn't listen to a lot of radio either, because there wasn't a lot of radio to be found along that stretch. That's probably the quietest

drive radio station wise. You know, you doze off and I'd sit there and bounce through the radio and there'd be nothing on. And when you did settle in, like I said, it was sort of like FM rock, the you know, the throwback station, Remember the days when you used to hit the scan button and we go all the way through the numbers, right back where you started and it didn't pick anything up. There's a lot of

that between making in Dallas. Yeah, well I've only experienced that on roads, honestly, but go ahead, Yeah, good Jimmy, that's weird. Yeah, I was just saying that's weird. I didn't know there were radio

deserts anymore. Yeah, pretty much. I mean there are spots in the South, Jimmy that honestly, it's like, Okay, there's the religious station, and there's the FM rock station that's from the nearest big city usually and yeah, then you scan through and there's nothing on the FM dial like for a long time except for five NDR stations with the most boring crap you don't want to lose to when you're driving to to put you to sleep. Well, yeah that you got to switch to AM to get those most of the

time, because I mean they're not on FM. I mean, and there's also this new kind of phenomena, this new format of like the it's like iHeartRadio and they have I don't know where they're getting the DJs from and stuff, but they advertise that they have podcast. I suspect that there is probably guys that sell DJ sets to some of these you know, entities, so that you just send them a recording of you doing a DJ set that fits

their format and boom. They probably pay you a minimum amount and you consistently send them to them, so they have different rotations based on their based on their format. I suspect that because I've heard virtually the same guy in South Carolina, North Carolina, and Georgia doing the same thing on one of these stations that does advertise that they're willing to play podcasts and it's talk radio. So I don't know what that means. iHeart iHeart Radio is supposedly the largest

provider of podcast content. Now. Yeah, well, what they did is they started sweeping up the radio stations. And in fact, that's how I lost my AM and FM affiliates all in one swoop, is because they were scooping up groups of these little small stations, right. And what happens is a small company packages them together and just you know, brings them to iHeartRadio and they yeah, okay, what do you got thirty stations? Cool,

here's your price done. They create these large package deals and they just were sucking up all the you know, ten thousand watt the little tiny stations all over the country, everything that isn't a micro at them. You think about it, though, most stations now is all pre record and format anyway, so you don't have i mean, other than your morning shows, your drive time most of the days, and a lot of these stations, it's all

prepackaged programming, bought and sold and digitally sent to them through satellite. You know, they don't even have to All they got to do is throw the switch talk in the morning to make sure the transmitters on. I mean, other than that, everything's done by digital remote now. Yeah. Well, and the thing is they still have the light. You know. Basically you're selling the license, and some of them still have property and buildings that they

hardly need because now there's no staff. You know, you got maybe a couple of salespeople, and some of them you know, went to for years selling airtime as well, where it was just like, look, we're going to make our bills by not going and getting commercial advertisers, but coming to people like me and saying, hey, look, you want your show on

in uh, you know, Atlanta, no problem we have. If you pay us a certain amount per hour, we'll run whatever you send us into recording, and you can sell your own advertising if you like, whatever you

want to do. And they just charge a flat rate and depending on, you know, the the access to the audience that they have, it's worth it or not, right, and for a guy like me, and this is what I had working actually is I was paying for some spots and being paid for others, so I was trying to balance it out so that, you know, it didn't cost me anything and I could keep building the stations. But there's no independent anybody to talk to anymore. They're pretty much gone

now. It's like you're on an iHeart station, or there's a couple of family owned media groups here and there, but mainly it's like an eyehead station or a clear channel and that's it. I was what was I Heart before it was I Heart? I know it's some other big deal before this. They always excuse me heart stuff. Well, they've sucked up a ton of

companies, so it's difficult to get the genealogy on the thing. But initially iHeart radio as far as I know, I mean, you know what, I'm going to try and find a little reference about the history the evolution of it, because it's pretty crazy what they become. They bought up stuff that is on all ends of the radio business now, not just the terrestrial transmitters, but they have satellite interests, they have podcast interests. They bought Spreaker,

so now Spreaker has brought to you Iart. Yeah yeah, clear clear Channel was became iHeartRadio. It was clear Channel and then they changed it to iHeart Media and uh that's when they made the change. Well, but that was because they were acquiring Yeah, they were acquiring radio assets. The clear Channel was like the biggest, you know, terrestrial radio organization. And again iHeart Iheart's like Google, you know, where they just sucked up everything.

Yeah, they were founded. iHeart was founded in two thousand and eight. Mm hmm. But I mean the rapid rise of them, I mean, I have no idea where the money really came from or anything. You know, is iHeart Radio is a whole company of iHeart Communications Inc. Formerly Clear Channel Communications Inc. A company founded by Little but they didn't make the change. Clear Channel owned them, but in two thousand they you know, iHeart

Rady was started in two thousand and eight. In twenty fourteen, Clear Channel actually rebranded as iHeart Media. So it was clear Channel before then. I'm trying to find out, well, what I'm trying to It was a clear Channel bought out somebody before they became iHeart Well, I was, I was just where did it go? I was just reading the history there that would give us an answer. Let's see often shortened iHeart as an American freemium.

Okay, now I accidentally messed myself up. Owned by iHeart met it was founded in August two thousand and eight. As of twenty nineteen, it was functioning. Okay, but I saw some reference to a founding in nineteen seventy two, so let me let me get back to that for a sec. Let's see Red McCombs in nineteen seven and later taken private by Bain Capital and Thomas h. Lee Partners and a leveraged buyout in two thousand and eight.

iHeartMedia, Inc. Okay, that's what happened. So clear channel was the nineteen seventy two creation, and they were that dominant media force until two thousand and eight when iHeart ink bottom. So that's like there, that's their founding move there. So yeah, okay, so this is just an entity created. Let's see built its national event franchise around the iHeartRadio consumer brand, including when you say Bain's Capital, why am I head? Am I having very

negative connotations. Did they do something very bad? Any chance? I mean that's like I got bells thing. Yeah. Any anytime you have one of these large, you know, asset accumulating companies, it's it's always very interesting, you know. Committed to lasting impact is what's on their website at Bane Capital, by the way, So let's look at Bane Capital and see what

they have to say about themselves. We are one of the world's largest private investment firms with approximately one hundred and eighty billion dollars in assets under management. That creates lasting impact for our investors. Okay, I remember what Bane Capital has been attached to a whole bunch of corporate raider moves that have turned around and consolidated, you know, and created a lot of these monsters that we see today, and they're you know, they they're just a part of the

middle of the of the process in between. Like you know, how we have Disney is now this massive entity that's you know, combined with all these other things, and you have like what do you call that? It used to be a cable company, for God's sake, and then it turned into other stuff. Ah Man. They ended up like acquiring everything from AT and T. To HBO to jeez, I'm drawing a blank here. But you know, like these large media media coloberates. What's that Sinclair? No,

not Sinclair. No, Sinclair's that is not that No, not that big. The Sinclair is that conservative media organization that uh ends up getting the ownership of a lot of those network channels on TV. That's not them. No, I'm trying to think, what is it? Comcast? Comcast, That's

what I was thinking of. Comcast was this uh again, a media company that was doing cell phones and cable companies at one point, and then they just started, you know, creating a conglomeration which today, like I said, contains everything from like AT and T and HBO to uh, you know to still having a lot of these multiple cell phone companies and all this stuff.

And they they're just communication brands. And when you look at them, it's like this huge, revolving universe of stuff that used to not make sense to put all together. But there are these massive organizations that have these different arms now you know, so uh well, well beyond like the very simplistic and really outmoded thing that like Rupert Murdoch did, where he you know, went around and picked up the independents assets of different broadcasters and created a network.

Well, these guys turn around and buy those networks and then buy the parent companies of those networks and become the ultimate parent company. You know. Like if you take a good look at who's Coke and Pepsi today, you notice that they're part of these massive conglomerates that have nothing to do with food. Now, you know, I mean eventually oh no no no no no no no no no no, not Coke. No one messes with the big Coke. Now Pepsi as their young co thing. But even Pepsi's a charge

to that thing. Well, anyway, let's see Coke corporate, the Coca Cola company. You know, who owns Coca Cola? We we we can sit and do a little research during the break if you want. But I mean, I guarantee all these different companies that have these partnerships and then they suck Coca Cola sucks up other beverage companies constantly and spits them out too. That that's that's all that Coke does, Not that I would agree, Yeah, yeah, but uh yeah, who owns Coca Cola. Let's say shop

structure. Is there anyone else trying to get on the horn. Okay, now, let's listen to this, Jimmy James. You may not know this ownership structure. Ownership structure of Coca Cola. You ready. Their top investors include Berkshire Hathaway, led by Warren Buffetts. All right, he's uh yeah, okay. Institutional investors like the Vanguard Group also own it. And oh, by the way, black Rock owns seven point nineteen percent, because black Rock owns a part of everything. So Coca Cola is, yeah, a

cooperative of these different groups that own pieces of it. Well, it's a corporation, but I might that's it. I have no idea, but I doubt they have more than forty percent of their company out there for sale.

Coke seems to pretty much run their own business. Well just okay, between Vanguard and okay, if we add up black Rock Vanguard, that's fifteen sixteen, twenty five thirty, there's about forty percent of it is owned by the top investors, and then I know there's also individual investors that have Coke stock as well. So I don't know what the percentage is, but their top four or five investors own about, yeah, forty percent of the company,

So I don't know what that means. Yeah, that would make sense. And then, because you know, most people only invest in the stock market through four to oh one case unless there's some kind of Wall Street crooks. But actually, I just I just had a bizarre Well I didn't have it. I just heard it and I thought it was I learned something this week, Chuck cool, what'd you learn? Uh? And the source was surprising is a TV creature? But he said something. I thought about it and

I have to conclude he's right. Okay, I'm gone religious. Here we go. I just real quick, real quick, Jimmy, I want you to know that many years ago, when I was a kid, I actually learned a few things from Jimmy Swaggert. I found him interesting and compelling as a as a performer for sure. U right right before he got busted,

by the way, is when I was actually watching him a lot. And then I watched him quite a bit after he got busted with the prostitute, you know, because I found him even more compelling temporarily, and then he sort of lost his I don't know, he seemed to lose as bigger his intensity on TV after that. But go ahead, tell us what you learned from a TV preacher this week. Yeah, and it's and it's actually true, that's what. And as smart as I've never put this together, I

had this thought, wellwis I thought I was perty spunk. Of course, the Lord God Almighty would be the only one who's not affected by time, because of course time is another one of his creations. And the devil has no idea. And I say that that Lucifer the folks spoken of in Revelations in the End of Days, the adversary of course, the who the adversary? Go ahead, yeah, the adversary, the antique, the false prophet. And isn't there another one? Chuck? Oh, there's tons. I

mean, you can keep going on. And then some people have conflated you know, some of the uh mythic you know, mythological I say, uh, you know, servants to you know, like Belile and all that. They say that those are also the same one and the same. But I don't think so. And you know, I'm not going with Dante on the

order whereas it regards this. But even if you look into some of the texts on angelic lore, uh, you find that there's there's a lot of stuff, a lot of interesting order there in the hierarchy, if you will. And I think that there is an undisputed there. There's you know, among people who believe that this is a structure and a real thing, you'd have to say, there's like a chief adversary, much like there is a

chief deity, no matter what you think. And not only as you know, if there is a singular almighty God, he would also be the only entity that exists that would be immune from not only time but death. Everything else may something dead outside of the Chief Deity. So that's good, perfect,

that's how perfect, perfect way to put it. So you pointed out that then therefore the devil would have to every generation would have to have an anti Christ because he doesn't know when that he not even Lucifer knows when the end of days is going to be. So and I started thinking, yeah, that would have to be correct. And then you look back at guys like Adolf Hitler, I have no doubt whatso you could almost tell that man

was demon possessed towards the end. Okay, I'm open for comments and criticisms. I don't have a criticism. I have a question. You know this idea that there would be an Antichrist every generation, I would find that disputable. And here is why, because of this very open question, there would be a singular Antichrist that would arrive and in fact be declared the Antichrist because

of the time and the events that surround what it is they're doing. Are you saying that there is a ready and waiting individual who could fulfill the role of the Antichrist or are you saying that they're okay? Because that that's a little different than saying there's an answi Christ every generation. This way, I think that there are patsies and when okay, the evil red guy got in there thinks, hey, I take things there, Hey, this might be

it. This Hitler guy, he's pretty wild. I'm gonna jump right onto some of that. I mean, you could literally tell that dude was demon possessed. First, if you go back to the time of Martin Luther, he thought that the Pope was the Antichrist. Well, more than one person has declared yeah, the false prophet, right right, Chuck. Wouldn't that

be the false prophet because it's the man from Rome. Well, I mean it's not far no, I understand, but both could be in play, right, except that the only problem I have with that is that when have we had a pope that was born in the Middle East? Because my understanding of the text is that you know, the Antichrist, the one that comes in the end Days, that particular Antichrist I'm pretty sure has to be born in the Middle East or at least. But then the false Prophet is Okay,

maybe I'm mixing up the false prophet with the Antichrist. I just think is the false topic comes from Rome. But maybe they did say the Antichrist comes from Rome. Well just think about it. Well yeah, well think about it. The first Pope, Saint Peter, he was born in the Middle East. Yeah, yeah, that's true. But the thing is is

that coming from Rome. See here here's where interpretation becomes a problem, right, because if you're coming from Rome, you could be someone who hails from Rome, like that's your city of origin, or you could be coming from Rome because you traveled from there. Right, So Pope Santa Citas hailed from

Syria. There you go. Okay, So there's another one. And again there have been people and this gets into a whole other discussion about like the Black Pope versus the one that we see in public and you know, demon possession. Well, that kind of thing happens all the time in the false churches. Look, everybody's pointing the finger at everybody else at different times. Right, Well, here's the rundown you had. There's been two hundred and

sixty six polps. Two hundred and seventeen are from Italy, sixteen are from France, six from Germany, five from the Byzantine Empire, which is modern day Syria Syria, four from Greece, three from the Holy Land modern day Israel, Pope Peter, Pope Evaristus, and Pope Theodore. Three from Africa

pro consularis. Two from Dalmatia, which is modern day Croatia, two from Valencia in modern day Spain, two from Portugal, two from Anatolia modern day Turkey, one from England, one from the Netherlands, one from Poland, and one from Argentina. Oh yeah, John, second is from from Poland, right, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, yeah, Look it's there are a lot of I did not know that England had a

pope though, Yeah, Pope Adrian the fourth. There you go, and interesting how they you know, how they end up with their names and even the process by which the pope is is selected and all that that that's also interesting, the uh you know, the the group of cardinals that get together. Look, there is a lot to it that, you know, and

people gather up different signs because they focus on different areas. Uh. But I would say that there there are the eligibility for somebody to be one of these false prophets and to be participating in different things that are in the uh, you know, the the different what what what should we call them prophecies? You know, because of the interpretation and because of the translations, there have been a lot of different meanings that have been fed into stuff. I

mean. And people also have gotten into this idea about particular political figures and world leaders because they're so destructive being the antichrist. That's more of a popularized theory, you know. Post nostradamis popularity, right, although you could say that even when Napoleon was alive before you know, a lot of people were aware of Nostradamus work. And long before you know, we got what's his name, the guy who did a War of the worlds and all that orson

welles, you know, narrating that the man who saw tomorrow. Long before that, I mean, people were calling Napoleon the Antichrist when he was alive. And there have been you know, various political circumstances and circumstances of war where you know, individuals who are conquering others described them as you know,

described the ankeror as the Antichrist as well. A lot of times they're destroying religious symbology and they're there's a sign they're the Antichrist, they're rejecting their church things like that, when usually they're trying to you know, uh, subjugate the people and destroy their their iconography more than anything, it's not even necessarily about the religion. But anyway, here lately is the last pope? Now? Is it this pope is supposed to be the last pope? Or is

there one more pope after this pope? No, this is the last, This is the pope. This is this is the anti pope according to that writing. Yeah, okay, so this guy right now, in other words, the Pope Francis Is is then now the one that's turned yep. Okay, well, yes, that writing that some monk wrote in the Milges,

I believe that switched term great Vpete. Well, and there's a bunch of writings that that indicate that, you know what, don't even pay attention to any of that, because it's really about the you know, the people that will rule Israel, right, how many rulers of Israel will will there be? And what do we have? We have I think two more left before we get to the end as far as that's concerned. You know, like I said, I've been through a lot of different people's interpretations about this,

and they have foundational reasons. I misspoke there, Chuck a few weeks So, yes, there were kings after that King mo Hab? Was that his name or is it a Have? I I can't recall that that conversation. I'm not sure which Well, what's your name's man? Jesse of Bell's main squeeze there, Oh oh, I said he was the last last king of Israel, and then you correct me and said there was a bunch more.

I should have said that was the last true king of Israel. After that, they were always in acquet type power, and their so called kings were more like governors. Right. Well, he a Have was was her husband? I think, yeah, that sounds right, Which that sounds you know, yeah, which is kind of funny because I generally I think of Ahab first, as you know, the character in Moby Dick, but likely the namesake of that guy actually, right, I mean that's probably where the author

or Melville got the strange, strange thing to name of the child. Right. It's like I really have met women whose parents started with the wist to name them Jezebel from from the three that have run into didn't live up to their name. Well, you know, it's not so popular anymore, is uh, you know, guys of Latin origin being named Jesus anymore. I haven't seen too many Hayesuses recently, you know, younger Hayesus is in the past twenty years or so. I think that trend might have died down.

No, not, they're all playing. But maybe Benito. I think Benito's making a comeback though, Dude, Benito, all sudden, like Benito, really you're naming your kid Benito? Pass news to me as well. But I mean I have not seen a lot of Hayesuses, have you be, Pete, Yeah, it's in Paul playing baseball. Well, look outside of baseball, right, I mean, well, you don't want calls them anywhere except playing baseball. Okay, maybe maybe that's your experience, but what can

I say. Look, we're gonna tall I've never met anybody named Jesus that wasn't playing baseball. Let's put it that way. I gotta think about that. I've met a lot of Jesuses. I gotta think about that. You you might you might be right, and I might have the same I might have to concur with you about that experience. I'm not sure we had. We had a couple on the farm team when I when I was part owner of it, we had at least one or two Aesuses every year. Yeah,

but what year was that. It was back in the eighties, So you're talking about guys that were probably born in the sixties or maybe possibly the seventies, depending on what part of the eighties. When you're looking at a minor league team with a bunch of guys named Azous on it, right, Oh, they were all Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. I think we had let's see, I think we had one guy that came from Mexico, but the rest of them were Dominicans of Puerto Ricans. Front Blue days were real heavy

into the Dominican market for their farm teams. I got a lot of talent, A lot of talent, didn't They concentrate their their scouting, their their scouting crew basically concentrated on the the Latin world's like winter ball stuff. I mean, that's where they used to scout heavily, isn't it. Oh yeah, they had Mexican leagues and uh Dominican leagues. Yeah, they had talent

scouts down there all the time. It was. There's certain areas where, I mean, some kids are destined to become famous from the time they're old enough to pick up a baseball, because that's all they do, you know. And uh Onetanic guy who was on he would have been one of the greatest. Then he died in that airplane. He may have been been Cuban if even when we were croums with these people thanking him for a while.

Yeah, I know who you're talking. I can picture the guy, and I'm trying to think, uh man, uh, you're talking about a guy who died in like either the sixties or the seventies, right, and probably the six sixties. Maybe in the playing crowd for many was vertical. Many who played what for the a's he died play crash. That's one of them.

Yeah, but there's another one too, right, Yeah, try to see the this would have been like, this would have been like circ in nineteen seventy I'm thinking yeah, and then uh, well, and then weird the baseball players that have been claimed in plane crashes. I mean, uh, you know Thurman Munson, I mean you know, no, there was a guy I think, I think I know who you're thinking of. And I can't remember. Was Clemente on like some political mission when he crashed or

was that the other guy I'm thinking of. M I've been the other guy, Clemente. What was he doing? He had gone down there for something? So what is some kind of volunteer stuff to see? Uh? Thurman Munson died in plane crash, but he wasn't hispanic almost see. And that was later. That was like seventy nine or something like that where Munson died, right, yeah, seventy nine somewhere there. I remember he was still being discussed a lot when I was a little kid watching baseball Munson. So

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You're gonna appreciate the segment in the JFK Mits episode I just released b Pete by the way, uh, because we wound up having to go back to the Lancer conference and a little audio that might be of interest to you that was recorded at the Lancer conference during a little disturbance at the at the yeah, in the back of the room during you know, I think you know what I'm referencing anyway, Oh yeah, yeah, I mean did was

my disturbance there? The big one. We had Joe Scooter Brelli with us last night and he brought us an audio that I guess Doug Campbell recorded at Lancer. So yeah, I'll leave it at that. And you know, for those of you that don't know, yeah, go ahead and get it wherever the podcast is. It's out on the feed now, but I think you'll find it particularly entertaining. We went two and a half hours on the mid show last night, by the way, and yeah, Rob Ryder is

definitely not going to be a friend of mine anytime. Soon, even though he's gotten on black Op radio now just saying oh interesting, interesting K pop. In fact, we were you're talking with Doug and you know he had his Wu Tang Clan t shirt on when he was down there. And there was collaboration between this group twenty one from back in twenty eleven or twelve. Anyway, their lead singer or one of their lead singers collabed with Wu Tang

Clan and appeared on their albums as a featured artist. So nice. I like Wu Tang you know, they're a little a little out of my genre a little bit, but but they got a couple of songs I just can't argue with. I appreciate them. But anyway, Yeah, Doug was wearing a Wu Tang shirt when he was there, that's for sure. You know,

it's amazing though. You look at the influence of those early artists, you know, you look at the influence of Cypress Hill and Wu Tang Clan on these other groups that are coming up, and I mean, because that was rip, rap and rap, and it was you really have to go back to the roots to see you can see bits and pieces of it in today's stuff that this mass media that they're throwing out there. I call mass media, you know, mass radio is all it just all sounds the same

to me anymore. But there are when you get to these independent artists, you can tell who their influences were. And it's amazing how many people reflect back to groups like the Routang Clan. That's where they go, you know, where they grew up. Well, it's like for the many, many

years you know, observing a hard rock and metal stuff. You know, the undeniable presence of the influence of Black Sabbath to me, because that's my favorite group of all time, even though I don't recognize him as the most talented group of all time, They're just the one that resonated with me. I love the music and the tones and the way the stuff is. It's just to me, it's perfectly brilliant. But their influence is yet another monster,

you know. And Ozzie's been in the business now for god fifty more than half a century, you know, him alone, and the other guys too, So I mean there's something to it, man, There's something to the influence and how it resonates in music and culture. And you know, some artists are great for a little while and that's that, and then they disappear into the ether. You know, others continue to have an influence, whether they continue to perform or record or not. You know. So Jimmy

James is waiting on the line. He also brought up some biblical stuff. So we've been over K pop, popular music, uh, the business of radio, and biblical prophecy. So you never know what might happen on this show. Three one nine, five two seven five zero one six. She got at least thirty five to forty minutes left of the show to join us or Charles Ottocelli on Skype if you like, send me a message and I'll

call you. But as is, we have our one consistent caller still on the line, so I'm gonna bring him back in see if he's got anything else he wants to drop, or if he wants to talk about the influence of artists on music or whatever else is on his mind. Jimmy, you're back with us because nobody else called in, uh, and I would bring you back in, but I would have brought somebody else in first if somebody else called in. So far you're the only one, So what else is

on your mind? Tonight man or knowing else called. Now that's why we're round two with Jimmy James right away. So otherwise, you know, like I always try and give anybody a chance. You know, do you have to provoke someone to call in? Do I got to talk about these comedy democrats and all their pink o escapades? Is that what has to happen. I don't know if it works, it works, we do, I have to really intagg And I said, all right, yeah, I see Joe

Bardon there. He's some big trouble there here. I'll talk. Yeah, I'll say. I know. I said, I'll set you up if you want. Uh, you know, the will Is hearing. She got a little agitated on the stand this week, didn't she? Uh? Sitting there just screaming at somebody at one point. That's a lie? Uh during the hearing? Right? And what else we got going on in courtroom? News? All right? Three? Is it forty million dollars allegedly in the settlement

or whatever the astronomical number. And I still contend watch and learn none of that's gonna get paid. I mean, you know, think about this for a second. The guy who told you that all of his bankruptcies meant that he knew how to work the system. Watch and learn, because that stuff's

gonna get paid for and it won't be by him. And I'm telling you, and people are complaining that Donald Trump Junior and Eric now each have to pay four million apiece so that they got they got here for four million each. And Trump got banned from holding leadership of a company in New York for three years. Yeah, but again, you know, pending appeals and everything

else that's going to come up. You watch, but I do. I did see an interesting video get dropped on social media this week, and maybe it's h the appropriate time to play a little sound Let's see if we can get Jimmy James worked up and then he can provoke other people. How about how about this one? Jimmy, have you heard this or seen this? Hold your comment until the end, because I found this kind of funny, especially with the return of John Stewart to The Daily Show, because let's mace

facts. Trevor Noah sucked anyway, John Stewart went and got his old job back. I don't know what that means in twenty twenty four, but it might mean Yeah, it might mean stuff like this though, be Pete, what a new show that party the guys? Oh hell, watch okay with your host Donald Trump Jr. Let's see which way the wind is blowing hot? Hey if Winzos of Preston so am I right? Oh wow, it's crazy. You don't have ideas and all the finger quotes you can handle,

can't place your reduction of violence from January six. I hope Trump comes. I'm gonna punch him. This is my moments, been waiting for this, cutting rails of journalism, just insanity after insanity. I'll come up with a way to word it, say, well, this isn't exactly what we're new. A human would also have a man and if he just moved to a blues cave, basically gonna do nothing done like all the prior presidents. A small new clear war. You know, not a bit better than you got

candy. I don't know whether to be like upset or impressed. You know Cocaine, Donald Trump Junior's own cocaine. Juniors on cocaine. I have a cocaine addiction. That is a minute and a half long trailer that I played a good portion of here, uh for Cocaine News with Donald Trump Junior. And this is a skipped by the Daily Show. I heard one to day. If you ever watched the gut Field Show on Fox, Yes, it comes on ten o'clock. His Jamie Lizzo is one of the riders, his

comedian. He was on there the other night. They were talking about things that kind of went out and then dropped from the news, and one of them was the is his Lunchuri's about the cocaine in the White House is that we've never found out, you know whose it was? He said, you know, and talk to people about it. People go, oh, come on, you know it was Hunters and he goes, no, I don't think. I don't think it was because because there was some left not Ben.

See, there's an argument. You know, look, usually crackheads do not lose track of her coke. I mean just saying in Hunter Biden's defense, right, they absolutely they keep absolute track of that. So you know, I don't think it was Hunters either. But whose was it? Good question? It was never answered. But there have been many allegations between Adderall and cocaine, you know, for Donald Trump Junior, and I got to say some of his actions on camera very suggestive. Who knows and the red

nose and sniff. If you look at the rates of prescriptions in the United States, most of you you realize a lot of these people that you see on TV, these celebrities, these newscasters, these you know, front people for these organizations, a lot of them are medicated out of their gorg Oh yeah, you think about it. At the prevalence of you know, what is some astounding number the other day, like but it was like three out of ten or four out of ten people were on medications. Yeah, I

believe it for either ADHD or some other malady. It's you know, it's amazing most of the people that you you know, majority of people that you deal without, their chances are they're just as screwed up as the next guy. You know, you might want them on cocaine if there's snorting adderall and god knows what else, you know, synthetic, I mean, the cocaine would at least be you know, a little more natural than some of the

crap they're putting up their noses. A lot of them. No, when you see a newscaster sniffling a lot, you know, they seem to have allergies all the time. When you see the glassy eyes, and you see the you know, the the expressions that are clearly like every once in a while when you're just getting into your high and you sort of crawl into your own head. I watched that happen on camera a lot. Some people, you know, point to it and go, oh, it's MK Ultra.

The guy's shutting down, he miscued and this and that, and I'm like, no, it's not MK Ultra. It's the guys high, you know. I mean, you know, you look at the industry and you think, well, half I'm on riddle and the other half's on Aderall yeah, why not? And you know, not like they need it, but it's

not hard to get. It's everywhere. Like you said when we were talking about K pop. They hand out those prescriptions like candy anyway, so you know, and and what's the stop them from getting their nephews adderall prescription or their kids? Uh you know, oh yeah, we have three different medications for the HDD or whatever. And you know, yeah, sure, why not, No, no, no, I'll take it. I'll just I'll

dispose of this, you know, So why not? The stuff is everywhere and so but there's been a lot of allegations directly because again, Donald Trump Junior ends up with a red nose a lot, speaks rapidly, does erratic stuff. But you know, but I know Rogers, Rogers, Stone's not cooked up. I'm trying. I need to provoke more callers here. Okay, good Chuck. All you're doing here is leftist projection. I've never heard that ridiculous tale that, hey, I'm not I'm not a leftist. I'm

not a leftist. I'm not left in that crap. He's just under a lot of stress. Okay, but I'm not a leftist. I just I'm I'm trying to set you up here. Jimmy James is trying to give me the setup. Man. Come on, I know, I'm just trying to get a Surely someone's got all right, what about how russ just got a death star hovering over these states? Joe Biden, Russia's got a death star. Hold on a second, it BP, Russia's got a death star and in outer space hanging over our country. I missed that one. Did you

did you catch that one? Yeah? The news this week they've come up with some and this was the national security crisis that was mentioned before last that Russia apparently has the technology to put anti satellite missiles in space that would knock out everything from your the GPS on your microwave, to your phones, to the grid to U name it. They can take out everything. So that's the You know, it's funny these hypersonic missiles that are being brought out by

China and Russia. I heard on the radio the other day. The technology came straight from US. They basically stole it and then improved it, and now we're trying to play catch up with technology that was original early hours. No, we can't get one to work. We don't have it. Well, they might have taken some stuff from us and done better with it. I mean Putin in that interview with Tucker Carlson, which I covered on Wednesdays

on The Valentine Show quite extensively and played clips from. I think one of the clips I've played, if I didn't play it, I meant to, was him talking about the hypersonic missiles and how they have daily improvements on it. He says Putin, and he he blames the United States for not being willing to negotiate about a missile defense system that would help to deal with Iran, which, by the way, I saw a story about Iran this week.

They're allegedly taking over the South Pole and declaring it their land. Now Ron this news story said, yeah, did you see that one? Can we just relocate the whole country down there? Well, that's what I was thinking, is why would somebody be worried about that? Let him have it? Why not you know, like tell you what, you can have all of that and there you go. I mean, when is when is the

perfect visiting season? When is tour a season at South Pole? I mean, is one season better than the other or is it just miserable all the time? I don't know, that's a good question. The South the South Pole would be an Arctica, which is off Perma cross. Now the North Pole, which is up in you know, Canada and whatnot, that they have seasons where people could actually exist and live. Hm. Well, Navalny

just died somewhere near the Arctic Circle. That's uh, but that's north So let me just see about this, iron I know I have well anytime that anytime that you're in you know, a Russian gulog, you stand at and so not making it through the winter, no matter where it's located, because it's all going to be around the Arctic here. If you're a free man living in Siberia, come on, let's face it, you'll be lucky to

live at sea fifty. I don't know, I bet you. There's some of those old timers up there that are probably one hundred and ten, one hundred and twelve. You know, they smoke three cigarettes a day and probably take a half an ounce of liquor every day, and that's what's got them going so long. You know, there's got to be so from the Hindustan Times, although there are many news outlets covering this, believe it or not, including uh, there was a writer in the for the Baltimore Sun,

et cetera. So various news outlets cross the planet. Here's the headline. Iran claims Antarctica. US State Department responds to a safety challenge against global treaty. Let's see, now, I got this stupid pop up thing in my way. I hate these things, you know that. That's so annoying. I was trying to read the text and it had to get in my way. Right, where's it? See? All right, I'm gonna have to go get another news story because I can't figure out how to close the stupid

pop up window. Right anyway, let's see, come on, let's see live mint dog. Well, the moral of this is last Friday, I knew that that was Biden's version of Hillary Clinton falling down, passing out and her shoes falling off. Okay, he's done with he's done with them. Of course, the do OJ just said the other day they stand by hers findings that our president now has been legally certified and then bessile. So now the cackler, I mean, caamal, these people need to step come on,

save us some time home, don't make a some peachous fool. Well, I'm sure they're going to try before the selection in November. But back to this headline, I got it on Mint live mint dot com. So there's not a pop up killing me here about Puerto Rico for some dumb reason, probably because we mentioned Puerto Rico before. Now Google's forcing ads at me. Anyways. Iran claims property rights to Antarctica, plans to build a naval

base. This was published February fifteenth, and Iranian Navy Commander Rear Admiral Shiram Irani announced in September last year that the country owned Antarctica and would build a military operation there. Fox News reported on Thursday, quote, we have property rights in the South Pole. We have a plan to raise our flag there and carry out military and scientific work. Fox News quoted Iranian Navy commander Rear Admiral Shaharan Irani as saying, then, okay, just just telling you and

I'll put the link in the chat room. That's something that I saw. Iran Lane claims to Antarctica, so they want to build a naval base there. Good luck with them. There's five countries, as I recall, or something that we've already drew up an Antarctic treaty. No one can claim it. Blah blah blah. The military at sets and what killed them. Yeah, well, I thought you would have definitely appreciated, though, Jimmy James,

because apparently the report originates with Fox. So there you go. Well you think about it, though, Strategically, Antarctica would be a good place for naval base because it would be a short trip to anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere. I can't see how people would want I don't know it just it makes so little sense. But but okay, hey it I I'm just reporting it. I just work here, man. I know it's planet Earth at all, but i just work here, you know, and I'm not going

to be here forever. So it is what it is. I'm not responsible for this stuff. What can I tell you? So? Oh, you know, we forgot to tell people about Clemente in the chat room. Somebody uh mentioned it, but I don't think you said on air what happened to Roberto Clemente? No, yeah, I'll face shift or mentioned in a room

he was. There was an earthquake in Nicaragua, and they set up a bunch of relief flights to send a lot of goods down there, and Clemente was big in helping get together the items to be sent and kind of coordinate the thing and doing anything he could for his fame to you know, lend a little hand, right, And apparently the first three flights that were sent down there got redirected by the government. Basically they just got you know,

subtracked and and lifted. So the fourth flight down there, Clementi was going to go down on the flight himself, and that flight was apparently overloaded and crashed shortly after takeoff from Puerto Rico. Right right. So no, I just wanted to give people that because I know we said we'd look at it during the break, so I just wanted to drop it in there. And I have put the link to the Iranian claim on the South Pole in the

chatroom at Ochelli dot com, which you can always roll back. If you're hearing this in podcast form later, you can always thank Yeah, he picked the South Pole because no one is there to defend it. I you know, I don't know because I've heard so many wildly different stories about what is at the South Pole, what good the South Pole could do regarding strategic things?

Uh, you got the flat earthers telling you that they won't let anybody near the South Pole because it will reveal that we live under a dome if you go there, and that the Earth is indeed flat. You know, if you could see it for yourself from the South Pole very easily. Man. I got a question. I got a question. If the Earth is flat and the South Pole where if we're if the Earth is flat and we live under a dome, where is the South Pole located on the rim the

side? They don't even now it's that those are poles, they said, pere to cast review. Well there's a barrier there, right. I think if according to Flat and Earth is the South Pole doesn't exist, then what is it that Iran is going to take over? No? No, no, flatter flat don't say there's there's luss green land there being hidden from No. I I never heard that. But flat earthers don't say the South Pole doesn't exist. They say that if you go down there, you'll see the

end of the earth. If Antonio, yeah, well there you go, or you know, possibly there's a couple of towns in Jersey that seemed like it too, But yeah, San Antonio could be. What was that town that we were in that was really strange when we were on our way to Texas. Uh God, they had like in the middle of nowhere, there was that gas station that had all that fast food and uh, I wonder

hold on, let me pull up maps. Louisiana, Arkansas. I don't know what what even state it was in, but the border in the Texas. Let's see, was it near Texarcana? I don't know, let's find out. Anyway, I know that was weird aeric, but when you think of the end of the Earth. But anyhow, they say you could see it, like, you know, it's just brutally obvious that we're under a dome there. There's actually a bar the barrier ends there somehow. Uh you

know what what barrier being. I mean, yeah, it's proven that the Earth can't be flatter. Cats would have pushed all the crap off the edge by now. But I mean, what is it that they so do they recognize the South Pole or where do they think these polar regions are located on this disc that's under a dome. I'm I do not understand the map that I I don't claim to. I don't go that far into it. I

just know that it's significant. Hey, look there is another caller, So I'm gonna go ahead and see maybe they have the answer to the flat earth question. Jimmy, I'm gonna put you on hold for a minute here, and uh, we're going to take this other caller. See what's out of their mind. Like I said, perhaps they know what the answer is as to the significance of the South Pole and as to how it is flat earthers explain that. So you're on the air, you're an unnamed caller, and

there you go. What's up? Hi? Can you hear me? It's you're again, Uh, first time color here. My name is Chris. How you doing. Are you guys doing tonight? Great to hear from me, Chris, Welcome to the show. Well, I just tuned in a

couple of months ago to the conversation. Uh. The only thing I could add to this is, well, I mean theory is that I swall, well, our Earth expands past the ice wall, you know, and it's uh, you know, we've all been said this narrative of a you know, everything's limited, you know, just like the fuel you know, the you know, the fossil fuels, you know what I mean, right, like the peakle thing like yeah, okay, Well mean well, I mean

just like how they've they've laid down the narrative that you know, uh, the oil that we get is you know, derived from fossils, you know, the dinosaurs, which is very finite. You know, there's a very finite amount of things. Sorry if I sound a little nervous, perfectly, all right, I understand. But about the fossil fuels and that that's another argument. But I don't necessarily know about this. You're saying that it goes

beyond the ice wall. That's there at the south Pole. Our Earth goes past that, not necessarily Earth. Well, the theory is I don't necessarily you know, I'm open minded to quite a bit of things. I don't necessarily buy into anything, you know what I mean? I see, So it's not it's not like your theory that you believe in, but you understand

it to be this way. Okay, gotcha? Go ahead, yes, sir, And the theory would be the you know that basically the we've been led to believe that we you know, if you buy into the current globe narrative, you know the that we've we've all been given, you know, provided with the brainwashed with that we only have this limited amount of land, we only have this limited amount of resources, and you know there's nothing beyond

that. But within the I guess within the flat earth community, you know, interesting perspective that they have is that, yeah, that there is this ice wall, you know, surrounding the globe or you know, and beyond that ice wall where we've been restricted from venture and past that it's essentially I wouldn't say it never ending, but a very expensive amount of land that maybe so the flat Earth contribute. It's Okay, let me ask you a question.

So what you're telling me is in that community, the flat earth is much larger than the globe representation that is rather limited, and it's just that we're restricted by this wall. Do you know anything about the dome theory, because I've heard about this being part of it too, that there's sort of an entire dome over us that you know, would make it completely impossible for any of the possible you know, the space travel stuff that we've been fed

that that there's this physical barrier up there that we're contained within. Actually that the ice wall is part of it. On the ground, yes, but there's literally like a dome over top of us as well. Have you uh yeah, it comes down and ties into it. But it's sort of like it's almost like somebody took and put like one of those cake covers on top

of an area and they've limited us to under the cake cover. Is the concept that was explained to me. Now I don't know if it's you know, I don't know if this is the prevailing thing, because again I don't know a lot of flat Earthers. But but that's the way it was explained to me. Do you know anything about that. Yeah, I'm somewhat familiar with that. I mean, well, once again, that would be essentially the firmament, I mean the most within the flat ear at the community.

Most people don't think that you can you can penetrate the firmament. Okay, I mean there's there's some people that kind of equate you know what we think of a space as being like a liquid m hm, you know what I mean. And it's I'm not I wasn't. Jesus, I apologize. Check, don't worry about it. Why I am a I am a fan of

you, sir. I've heard you on a well I heard of you originally on the Ripple Effect and then i' heard you union I wanted and uh, you know, ever since then, I've kind of jumped on the chuckle chilly bandwagon. So I honestly didn't expect to be, uh be brought on the first time calling. Oh that's kind of where I live with, you know, I'm calling for my cell phone and that's how I listened to you too, is you know some podcast apps. So I apologize not at all.

You're not contributing. No, you're doing great, Chris, You're doing great. You know Look, I'm asking you questions because this is another perspective that's not mine. So open, I'm openly asking you questions. Uh, you know, and uh, I'm not trying to pressure you. I appreciate you calling in though, because again you are adding a great deal to the conversation as far as I'm concerned. You know, is was there something outside of that that you wanted to talk about or uh, did you want to continue

discussing this? No, I think out a little if you want to take the ball after this, I don't, like I said, I honestly in the hundred percent expect to get through. And I apologize if I wasted any time. Not at all, Not at all. Yeah, no, not at all. Tell you what, Chris, I'm gonna put you on hold, okay, and anybody else can join in to the conversation. We still got a little time left here on the live broadcast. Uh So, Chris, look, you did great, and I'll come back around you before we're

done. If you hang on and at least let you get a final word for the week, which is what I do with anybody who's on hold when we finish the show. Uh. And I do this every Friday, with my co host b Pete. So be Pete, you know, I don't explore the flat earth thing too much. I don't. I don't buy it personally. A lot of the evidence that people have tried to give me about it doesn't make sense. But there's a lot of true believers out there,

and what can I say? I mean, you know, I just wanted to ask him a couple of questions since he seemed to be a little more familiar with it. But Chris, no, you did great, by the way, so please, yeah, hang on and we'll get to you towards the end. Any thoughts on what Chris had to say there, Bepete, Well, so, I mean, I'm talking with someone like Chris that knows anything about it is a learning experience for me because that's something I've not kept

up with, the flat earth or so, you know. I just I'm like you, I don't buy it unless you can show me some data. I don't know. Maybe I've got enough of an engineering background, but it doesn't make sense to me. But yeah, anytime someone can come on and you fill me in on something like that, I enjoy it. I'm glad Chris called in. I've just not kept up with it and I don't find

any interest in it, and I don't see how could it's feasible. So, but that's one of those things that you've got, you know, people that are steadfast in their belief and I guess that's what makes this world go round. Yeah, and look, you know, I have an odd view of it anyway. You know, Like the idea is like, well, you don't think the government would lie to you? Yeah, I do believe

the government would lie to me. You know. Even he brings up this idea about the fluidic space concept, right, that is not outside of the realm of possibilities. I mean, you or I have not been to space. You know what do we have? We have pictures, we have stories, and to say that, you know, things couldn't be generated to convince us of certain things would be a juvenile. Right, It's a possibility that, you know, space is not as represented. I can tell you that

the way. Well, let me ask you. Do flat earthers believe that we've been to the moon? I don't think most of them do, but you know, but but then again I don't want to speak for them, that's for sure. Well, does like the dome have like a garage door opener or something that they can put in the space shuttle and het it right before they get there and open it up. No, no, maybe that's why. Maybe that's why the challenge exploded. Somebody didn't open the gate.

Well, you know. The fluidic space concept, though, reminds me of an old well not very old, but an older Star Trek episode where you know, there's other dimensional possibilities and they wind up in a fluidic space. Voyager it winds up in a fluidic space when they sought to make a pact with the Borg actually because they were getting destroyed by this other dimensional species.

And the idea that you know, space looks like it's filled with one thing, and it might be filled with something else, and maybe space indeed is not. Space is feasible in my mind, and I would have to say that I don't know for certain anything because I haven't been out of space. I will tell you this though, and it's something that I've observed my whole life and have found strange. Whenever I bring it up, it always is

a great conversation killer. The way that people explain the Sun has never been correct based on what I see this idea that you know, people believe that the Sun beams light down on us is not accurate. It doesn't. Okay, that's not what it looks like it's doing. To me. What I see it doing is sending energy and the planet lights up. And it's sort of like how you can send electricity to a fluorescent light bulb. Well, you know, you don't literally send light into the bulb, and therefore the

bulb has light. Planet Earth is effectively a fluorescent light bulb. And what happens is the energetic beaming from the Sun doesn't actually have light to it. Light is the creation when the thing's here on Earth or in this you know, in this place where we are. We're saying, the Earth lights up like it's got street glow or something attached. That's what it lights up.

Yeah, yeah, that's what it looks like to me. Correct. That is how do you explain how do you explain shadows and having a one light source from the sun, because once light is generated, okay, across this very small uh particulate you know, realm all the stuff that's in the you know, you know how you realize air is not just you know empty in air? Wait, what part lights up. Are you saying the atmosphere lights up or the earth itself? I mean, I don't you losing here.

I'm saying the the atmosphere collectively, and I can see it, but I don't have a good explanation for it collectively, like air basically, and all the things in the air generate light. Now objects intervene in that light, and you can have shadows from it and everything else because it comes from a certain directionality, it travels from a certain direction the energy does, and it creates a direction for light to travel. But literally, it's not light beaming

through space on to the Earth from the sun. Well, if it was the atmosphere lighting up, how do you explain nighttime versus stay time? Because then it's not being directly charged. It's sort of like moving the electrical source away from the bulb. That's well, but you can't light half a filament.

Well see what I'm saying. Yes you can't light to be able, Yes you can when you know you can't light half a filament when you have Okay, when you have a fluorescent bulb, right and you put electricity on one you can put electricity on one part of the bulb and light half the bulb. Sure you can, that happens all the time. Huh, you don't. Okay, you've never taken electricity and externally put it near like a fluorescent tube. Yes, yes, yes, I understand what you're saying.

But the atmosphere itself, Okay, if you take the atmosphere of the Earth and what it's made of, Okay, moisture you've got, you know, oxygen and other chemicals and in a certain amount of water, vapor and and so this atmosphere is lighting up. But it's all interconnected. So how do you stop the light from moving across one half of the atmosphere which would cause

nighttime? And how does this with the rotation of the Earth. What coordinates the light on a certain part of the Earth, which just happens to correspond

with whatever side is pointing forces the Sun's curious like this. When you put like say, a heater in a pool, right, and you're heating the deep end of the pool, it doesn't always get all the way to the other end until after a while, right, it builds up, But it will eventually transfer heat will transfer through that liquid medium eventually up us all of Yeah, eventually, yes, and The only reason why it does that is because of the co vision of the water, because water is a lot more

tightly packed than what we have here in the atmosphere. Condition. No, it happens because if heat transfer from materials. Okay, but that's my point, is that that's the heat transferred from materials. But again, if you light up a fluorescent bulb and you apply electricity to the outside of that bulb, you can literally light up part of the bulb or part of the bulb

remains dark. It happens. It doesn't necessarily follow all the way through because we all live in We don't live in an atmosphere that's the equivalent to fluorescent gas. It's a lot more similar to that than what they explain about light beaming from the sun. Light doesn't beam from the sun intervening we don't have light in between the planet and well then how come when the moon moves between us and the Sun we go dark? Well, because it blocks it.

Well, then you're saying, but that's not what lights us. Yeah, objects, no, it does light up. See, this is why it's a so hard for me to explain. It transfers energy to here, and like I see, like we had this discussion halfway between Shreeport and Montgomery, Alabama. Now, because I'm not getting it's just like a political discussion. I'm not getting how you can light up the half the atmosphere. But yet you say that the Sun doesn't deem light to us, but if the Moon

gets between us, it blocks the light that hits us. I don't know. Well, the Moon doesn't block the light, it blocks the energy which is coming from the Sun. Well, then how come the far side of the Moon that's pointing towards the Sun is lit but we're not because it's between us. You say the atmosphere on the Moon is the same as Earth. I'm not sure exactly. Like I said, I can see it happen,

but I don't have a scientific explanation for it. And how do you synchronize it so that the part of the Earth that stays lit, the half the fluorescent bulb that's lit, is always the side that's pointed towards the Sun. Because it has directionality, it is it is relevant to the direction to the exposure. That's why I know it. Like I said, it's one of these things I can see and I can't explains. It's weird. I'm telling you. The political discussion, by the way, is that I said that

all this is orchestrated to actually, you know, reinstall Donald Trump. All these attacks on him and everything are actually orchestrated for that purpose. And vpete that was the discussion. He was frustrated with we didn't have this discussion, and uh, yeah, let's see in the chat room. Let's see. The sun transmits an extremely broad spectrum electromagnetic field. Yeah, but that's my

point. That's all it does. It doesn't beam light. It does mean that if that's the energy I'm seeing move, then fine, it's an electromagnetic field. Fair enough. Like I said, I don't have the scientific particulars for this, because then how can you explain Okay, well, then how would you explain this? Then? If the sun does not produce the series of light rays that it produces. Okay, how do you explain color in

today's world? Because color, when we see color, it's because the whatever shoe that object is absorbs all visible light rays except that color that you see right, it's being reflected. Okay. So when you look at the blue sky, well, let's say you're looking at a blue ball, right, it's got surface, whether it's paint or whatever. The surface is absorbs all the light rays except blue. Now, how do you explain color based on

an electromagnetic pulse, Well, not even a pulse. It's got to be a constant emission of energy it is that can be blocked by the moon. Yeah, but I don't know how this color works. It's because of the size of the object. Look, I'm not denying that light exists, Okay, I can because most light is broken down spectraally to me anyway, Like the color white is not a solid color to me, It never has been. It's a continuously in motion spectrum of various colors. Anything that is actually

true white does that. I see all sorts of colors in it constantly, and they're moving. And there's a particular design pattern that I don't necessarily understand. And I've tried to draw it for people and explain it, and it doesn't make sense to them. So what can I tell you? But light rays exist as a result of a reaction. Here, they're not transmitted directly.

The energy is and energy can be intervened also, you know, thinking about heating up the pool, you know you can indeed heat the surface of the ocean because of the size of it. And then the further down you go it gets away from the heat source. It doesn't make the entirety of

the ocean right after a while because of the distance. Because of the size, the entirety of the ocean isn't necessarily warm because one section is superheated even right, and even there the density of water is obviously greater than the density of the entirety of the atmosphere and air. I mean, for all I

know, it's air that's being lit up and not lit up. And also notice when you don't have light, you don't as easily see any color because like even when you see minimally in the dark most people, but you need to I don't know, maybe you need to come up with a better example of the heater in the pool because you're talking about two different types of energy. You're talking thermal energy versus light energy. Well, it could be so.

But just like thermal energy ends up making things glow, right, there could be multiple waves of energy here contained in what the Sun transmits, and there could indeed be thermal energy. There could indeed be this other thing that I don't know, Maybe it's the thermal energy itself that lights up the sky. But then again, on a warm night it can still be dark.

So I don't think that's the answer, but it could be multiple things are sent that way, right, and there you go as a result of this stuff, you know, like in other words, so how much stravity? How much does the spin of the earth, How much does that affect the flow of light across the surface, keeping in mind that it's always on the side this pointed towards the sun, is it? I don't know, I

don't know how to ask this. It's all because of the exposure that we're getting the light anyway, so it's a matter of exposure there, and yeah, it can be blocked, which you know, again is a weird thing because but you're saying that our light in our atmosphere is a reaction from energy being sent from the sun, not actually light waves being sent from the sun.

So how do you explain light waves if what we're seeing in our atmosphere is nothing more than a what an electrical reaction to the makeup of the atmosphere. Yeah, basically that's the concept. Again, I don't I do not claim to have the scientific explanation here. I'm just saying that the scientific explanation

does not appear to be correct, is all I'm saying. It comes up false from what I observe based on the fact that, like, here's the thing, and I'm certain that if you were to go into outer space and not have the benefit of one of these planetoids or whatever, you would not see the Sun. Now, it might indeed send you know, enough heat to burn you and everything else, but they wouldn't say it. You wouldn't

see the Sun, right, it's not a fireball. Well then why is it a fireball here but not in space on the other side of our atmosphere? Well, because again it's the reaction. It's what you're seeing, and that doesn't even necessarily represent the proper size of the damn thing because of the visual If you're only able to visualize, you know, it's sort of like you get heat from a flame. You don't necessarily have to touch the part of the visible flame, right, Yeah, because heat goes beyond the thing

that is it's you know, it's really the sun. If it's not what is the sun that it's able to produce this energy? I mean, you're saying that once we leave our atmosphere we would not see the Sun. No, I don't believe so. I think it's a very particular type of radiator. What were they looking at from the moon? Yeah, well that's the interesting thing, right is that how does their thermal Wait a minute, Wait a minute. If if that's the case, then how would they know where

to point? I mean they look. You can look at the Sun and point a solar panel towards it, but if you get outside of our atmosphere, you wouldn't see this. So how would you know where to point? I mean, how would you know where? Direction? Was tased on what? Some magnetic some magnetic pulse that comes from from what, Well, the heat that radiates off of the thing would indicate you know, you know the direction where that's most rotating around a sun. We're rotating around a star.

So what is it that we're the minute we leave our atmosphere, we wouldn't know which direction to look other than a magnetic pull based on the gravitational pull of us around the Sun. No, you can see you can see other stars. Those other stars have other properties. I'm saying that this is a very special You can see the other stars. Why would you see the sun? A star? Is a star. That's another thing I think is not true. I think that not everything that you see is precisely what they tell

you it is. When it comes to these stars. For instance, we know for certain that certain planets are visible from a distance. Why because the star beams light on it. You know, you don't see the intervening light though, do you? You take a look at you there's a lot you don't see, but you you don't see light unless there's something for it to reflect off of. Yeah, so yes, you're gonna see the reflection on those planets. That's how you know that they're there. Yeah, of course,

Well if the Sun wasn't admitting the light. Oh are you saying their atmosphere is worked the same way ours does and they just light up half at a time. Whatever I have is pointing towards the Sun. No, I have no idea. But take a look at the fact that you can see completely round things right from a distance. Why is it that only half of our planet is lit right? And meanwhile you can see a whole spere because there's only one side pointing towards the Sun. I understand, But what is

it on our side? Or is it which side is that you see what I'm getting out of here. Look, it doesn't matter. I don't have all of the answers. I'm just telling you that I see this reaction occurring as opposed to light beams coming down. That's all I'm saying. And I don't know how to account for it because I have no point of reference. I have nobody else to discuss it with. Okay, so I don't have anybody to even share this with to explain it to. I've tried this a

few times, by the way, and I get it. You're You're exactly the last guy I should try it with. But it's okay, I know, because I frustrate you with other stuff like this where I have certain thought processes. You know what they'll be, Pete, We've actually run all the way out of time. So I want to get back around to the callers and give them a chance to throw in a final word, which might just be chuck your nuts. Uh. And that's that's fine too, And maybe

I am that's that's cool. Maybe the world just looks different to me and I'm entertained with it. What can I say? Maybe there's other things I see in the world that look different. Too. Stay tuned, you'll find out. Okay. But anyhow, so what do you say, should we be thinking for a while? I know, I know, And every time I do this, somebody takes a while thinks about it, and after a while they abandoned it and they just you know, it ends up just I'm

I know, I'm nuts. It's okay, It's okay to be a little crazy. Really it is that are what you're talking about Willis moment for the week, So could be, could be? And I didn't even get to play any Fanny Willis or anything like I said. She had a bit of a meltdown on the on the stand. We didn't really cover that. But should we go to Jimmy James or Chris first? Sure? Maybe, well let's go to Jimmy James. Maybe he can answer a question where Fanny got

all our cash? Oh? Hey? You know? And and I'm thinking it's looking worse and worse for that case against Trump and Georgia just saying no, it won't necessarily dismiss it. But looks to me like that case is getting weaker and weaker. Be Pete, what do you think I think it's I think she's gonna get tossed, and then the case is gonna get tossed.

Uh yeah, well you know, and then one by one, each of these things will fall either on appeal in the Supreme Court or just because of inaction, or it'll be actionable and useful, much like Trump used to use his bankruptcies for reorganization. I think we'll be looking at that as well.

But you know, politics is going to be lit up, and something like nearly half the world's population is re selecting new leaders all across the planet, huh, or maybe across the firmament or the flat earth or whatever. So Jimmy James, maybe you've got some answers or something. But either way, your final word for the week, my friend by everyone. If Fanning will this gets her financial advice from Senator and Mendez, No, only that

of gold Box. She went with staxicatch. But that's obvious what's going on here. This wasn't a real prosecution. This was, as the judge said today to one of her lover's partners, Oh my god, you're an attorney. I don't you both think you know what the term fostil witness means. And that's a general problem I've been seeing across the country's Ah, it is basically more on somehow, for some reason, slipping by while not actually knowing

the law or even basic history. Anyways, I think Fanny will has made up this whole prosecution her and that dude been gathers Is twenty nineteen. This is a way to share the bread, so she hooked up her boyfriend. This is a criminal conspiracy to make profit. And it just happens to also go along with their little political Marxist beliefs and whatnot. But uh oh, and also that such yeah, I what Fanny did Willis did in court yesterday,

of course, was absurd. She should have been censored, just like any other person who was acting crazy in court, who's acting like the prosecutor when she was the deep van Dent and judge was unusually restrained. Well, be careful, Jerry, and you know, be careful, Jimmy. You're you're all of a sudden going to start to say, like some of my crazy talk when I say that the majority of your alleged lawyers don't know any law at all, because they don't, Okay, might want to be careful

of that one. But there there's other reasons to stay tuned into the different dramas. Right, I'm sure that's going to collapse. That that that whole thing, and what do you expect, right, I mean, it's that's where it's going. I don't care what your justification is for it. It's gonna collapse. That is where it's gonna go. That one. There you

go. But you know, any of these wacky Democrat cheries, all they need is all the Democrats are looking for is a fake black mark so they can reject when Trump is duly elected, and they're going to cause problems. Well on this whole sun issue, I just okay. And in the opinion that Jimmy James, who is not a scientist, physicist, or most such thing. My understanding is the sun's a giant. Well, it was the star and now it's mostly just a gas ball of fire that's unbelievably hot.

And yes it does he meant great heat, and yes it does, he meant ud race. This is undeniable, however, and defense possibly of what Chuck's saying. You know, there's a reason why every you know, all these moon crackheads that say we weren't there, Well, why is it all lit up? Because it's the moon. It's luminous. The sun makes it bright. So yeah, there is that. I'm really confused by this whole sun thing. I gotta I don't know. I know, it's it's a

headscratcher. Yeah, imagine being me, Jimmy James, who's looking at it, going, that's not the way that works. Uh, it just doesn't look right according to what they're telling me. What can I say? I mean, you know, uh, the blind the black guy. As a partially blind guy, you do literally see things differently than us. That's why I don't necessarily fool you. You literally see things with your eyes differently than us. Yeah. Yeah, well maybe you have an insight that I know,

I don't know. Yeah. Well, the lack the lack of pigmentation causes greater greater exposure to various spectrums of light and things that other people do not see generally, you know, Like I've explained on this show several times, I see things like fumes, uh, that other people claim are invisible, and I go, no, it's visible. Uh, it's perfectly visible, but other people don't see it. I see it changes, you know,

But what are you gonna do? It is what it is, Jimmy but I think i'm gonna I'm gonna put you back on hold and move on to Chris. If you're if you're all good, you're all good. I'm all good, all right, Jimmy James, always always holding the four down even when our call number was low tonight. But I appreciate the fact that we got a first time caller because always always helpful to the conversation. And

you guys ought to join us next time. And I've actually run over time this this week a little bit because clearly I don't have Aaron Franz tonight. Uh, but generally we'd be starting the age of transitions about twenty minutes ago and he'd be taking calls instead of me. But what the hell, Chris, let's see, let's get him off hold. Yeah, Chris, you're

back on. And I really appreciate you calling in. You did great stop apologizing, and please, you're more than welcome to call in anytime and anything you want to drop on us on your way out the door, because we're all going to shut the door on this one for the week. Well, I'm gonna go against what you just said, and I'm gonna apologize one last

time for my fumbling how I handled the first time we fuck. And but if I could offer a final word or you know, last word, I mean, you know, the saying that I've adopted is anything's possible within the realm of possibility in terms of the flat Earth. And I don't necessarily, you know, I don't subscribe to any I really don't have subscribe to anything anymore. I just maintain an open mind, and I seem to help help me my way through my existence. You know what I mean is any sense?

And I do appreciate it. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. I really appolgize. I really do appreciate you, mister Olly, and v Pete and Jim James, everybody that you know, all the regular callers that you know always contribute to your show. I appreciate everybody's point of view. And I mean that's really what, you know, the difference of points of view. That's really what I mean. I have a lost words here. It's okay, it's kind of It's what makes the world go

round, after all, how about that? Exactly? Yeah, you know some people, I really appreciate you guys. Hey, look, and some people think that even if the world is a plate shape that it spins too anyway, So maybe the world goes around even if it's flat. I don't know. And look, I know every single day that too, that too, and I really appreciated could So then could the universe be nothing more than God doing the spinning plate act where you put them on the sticks and you

keep them going. Why not? And that's the possibility of this. Why not? You know, somebody should We could be living in a simulation. I was just gonna go there, Chris, I was going to say, somebody could have shot and forgot to shut off their video game, you know. And in some places it's more In some places it's more like Grand Theft Auto, and in other places it's like Animal Crossing and it's just one big video game and we're just here as really non player characters, and it's the

gods that play with us. There you go, and eventually somebody will you know. That's that's another thing. It's all finite again. Back to that conversation with Jimmy James. You know, the idea that there is a chief deity which is immune from death and immune from time. That would make sense even if we indeed, you know, were in the Philip K. Dick universe, or if we're you know, in some other version of a simulation,

why the hell not? After all, I forget what piece of literature I read, but it was like we could all be writing on the back of a turtle somehow, and eventually everything falls off of the turtles back or it dies. But take a look at turtles. Turtles are pretty fascinating creatures, and they're often ignored. And maybe our universe has just been ignored for a little while, and that's why we've been allowed to exist, you know, why not? What the hell I can't argue with that. I'm just

a tiny little part of whatever the hell all of this is. So, Chris again, thanks for calling in. You're welcome to call in anytime, and on Fridays We're open to any topic of discussion. So if you think of something you want discussed, we'll bat it around with whoever's here, me and b Pete will and we've been doing this for years. Yeah good. I'll try to get an earlier start on the on the call and hopefully have more to contribute to the conversation. That'll again, I apologize Inah, not

at all, man, You did great. I appreciate you, and again thank you for calling, and of course all you people that do listen, I appreciate you as well. But I wish more you would call in like Chris, because we'd get a whole lot more interesting discussions. The one guy told me one time when I was talking to him off air, I would just call you in prank call you. And I said, yeah, I dare you to do it, and he never did, and I'm a little

pissed. You know, It's much like the whole Dave Chappelle thing when people were saying, oh, I'm offended at this, and I'm admitted at that, and I said, you know what, I'm offended that he didn't tell any blind jokes. Damn it. He told every other kind of joke. He told jokes about people in a wheelchair transgender. Of course he has to keep hitting it because people freak out when he does so reaction comedy, what

are you going to do? But I was pissedly he's got no blind jokes man, And I had Blind Joe the musician agree with me online that we're a little offended. You're not making fun of us, dude, and blind Joe is blinder than me. So I'm the blind JFK researcher, but blind Joe has less of a visual spectrum than I have usually most days when I

wake up, but you never know. Each day is different. B Pete, your final word for the week, my friend, Well, I'm glad to see another one done and in the can and loocome forward to next week. Thanks to Jimmy James and Chris forher calling in good discussion tonight. Other than that, I can just tell people to go to a Chelly dot com and hit the donate button, do which you can to help things out, and that supports your local food bank. And that being said, we'll all

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