The Ochelli Effect 12-4-2024 Murray Sabrin

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December fourth, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar. This is the Ocell Effective course. And you know that because you found it. You don't find my show unless you really want to. And it is Wednesday, and I'm more than happy to have the return of a guest that I haven't had on often enough. Now, could we go into the news with this guest? Absolutely? Could we go into the news that you're not hearing

Race in New Jersey. Not an easy task because.

I don't remember who else ever did it, and libertarian by the way, And also he's got a sub stack and many other things that I'd love for him to tell you about.

Murray Sabran, how are you doing, sir?

First of all, and secondly, I want to find out what else you're up to besides the substack, which is constantly running, and you guys ought to go and search it out, and I'll give you a link in the show notes so you can go and hook up and subscribe to substack.

But how are you doing tonight, sir?

I'm doing great, Chuck. It's great to be with you again.

It's been quite a while since we've chatted about the major issues of the day, and there's a lot to uncover here because we just had an election. The Republicans to control over of the Senate, barely have control over the House, and it's going to be interesting to see what Trump will be doing once he raises his right hand and gets sworn in as the forty seventh president in January twentieth.

Well, see, and there's the fun part. Right.

It's been a month, but I'm telling you, I'm observing what's happening regarding the let's say, the libertarian contingent in the country right where they kind of shifted over a lot of them just went well, we like the Republican candidate this time.

I mean so much so.

The guess what, Bobby Kennedy, who is now going to work with the Trump administration, and Donald Trump were both invited to the Libertarian convention even when the candidate was being selected for the Libertarian party. That was all happening, And nowadays it looks to me like you could almost fold most libertarians. I run into into the MAGA set with absolutely no skepticism whatsoever.

Do you notice that too, I wonder, Well, here's.

My take on this whole political situation. Since Iran for governor in nineteen ninety seven and subsequently rant for the US Senate as a Republican a few years later, When people ask me do you support such and such a candidate? I said, you're asking me the wrong question. You should be asking me what policies of the candidate do you support?

Which ones he oppose?

And I do that with Trump because there are certain things I support that he wants to do, there are certain things I really dislike that he wants to do, and then I do my substack to point out the strengths and weaknesses of his agenda. And that's what I think a good analyst does is that you don't say you you don't give anyone a blanket a blank check. In politics, you have to really discern what the issues are and are they consistent with the oath of office,

See And that's why I love talking to guys like you and Jacob Hornberger who's from the Future for Freedom Foundation but also he was actually a candidate briefly Libertarian Party this year, also presented at Lancer Jacob. But you know, you guys actually do the analysis. It's not just acquiescence immediately like almost like what doesn't matter, I'll just check

Yeah?

Well, the think the point I've been making to people since I ran as a third party candidate and was.

The first third party candidate to get.

Matching funds and be under debate state with the governor Whitman and state senator and mayor Jim McGreevey, who was elected a governor four years later. The point I keep on making to people is you don't have to win as a third party candidate to affect change. I wrote an article many many decades ago in about the nineteen twelve Socialist Party platform, and virtually all of it has been enacted, and we've never had a Socialist Party president

Usually the Democrats pick up.

The crazy ideas of the left wing parties in the United States.

And so to give you an example of what.

I accomplished, even though I had a very short campaign, it was only six weeks since we were given the okay to get the matching funds.

Until the election, I campaigned on getting rid of the fifty five speed limit.

Believed we still had a New jerseyineteen ninety seven, and I said, we need to have a sixty five speed limit because the term New Jersey Turnpike and the Garden State Parkway Route eighty which is an interstate, our ninety five are all made to be driven at sixty five miles an hour. And Whitman emmigrieb who were posed to it because their focus group said Senior City this is wanted to keep the fifty five speed limit, and so they said, no, we got to keep the fifty five

Think people said it's sabering.

Made sense about having a sixty five speed limit, That's one example.

It actually made a practical sense. I witnessed this.

So I want to just comment really fast, is that it truly to drive at that lower speed on the Parkway, especially where I always lived off of the Parkway, was unsafe considering what we had going on there and the turnpike. For the interstate travelers that the trucks and stuff, they if they were trying to travel below that speed, it was actually causing problems. I know that sounds counterintuitive to some people, but it really was.

I think that it improved.

Things when the speed limit was raised immediately because it just was safer. It allowed traffic to flow in a more sensible way. Now that might have been according to the design, or it might have been according to the way society had moved differently by then. You know, in the nineteen seventies, maybe the fifty five speed limit made sense, but by the time he got to the nineties, it did not, you know. So and senior citizens, look, they're a strong, you know, a strong voice, especially in Jersey.

Well, there are other issues that I campaigned on that

She couldn't do it. Four years later, when Jim McGreevey.

Was elected a Democrat, he derelated the automobile insurance industry.

Geico came in and some other companies came in, and auto rates came down. And I don't think there's been a problem ever since.

Another example of how you explain things as a common sense alternative to the.

Regulatory mechanisms that were in place.

Another issue, which sounds really quaint today is that the issue of medical marijuana was on the table and I of course was in favor of it as a libertarian, that people should be able to use whatever substance they and their doctor think his best course of treatment. And of course the Republican and the Democrats were opposed to it. And so today I don't think any state doesn't have medical marijuana. So in fact, many states have the regulated

View in the country.

In addition, here's a more personal aspect of the campaign. One day I came home from teaching and there was a note in my male box with the mail from a sergeant in town saying you violated sex and so section of the ordinance town oridents that you cannot have a political son in your own property. Well, I called up the campaign attorney. He went to the Superior court and the judge threw it out as a gross violation of our.

First Amendment rights.

And so that's part of case law in New Jersey that you're allowed to have a political sign on your own law and your own private property. So it struck a blow for free speech and private property rights.

And that is interesting because I mean people today, certainly, if you were born after say the year two thousand, you can't even imagine a landscape anywhere that doesn't contain these signs, right, yeah, But Jersey used to have some tough regulations that were brought in and I don't know what the point of some of them were, but things

The things they've been acted as well, this is the lesser of two evils.

You know, can't we go for a higher standard than that, don't you want to?

Right?

Well? Yeah, Well, here's the thing with the Democrats.

At one time, they were peace pro civil liberties, a common sense approach to governing. Of course, they believed in a big welfare state, but even that, they were gung ho in terms of supporting every single position in terms of spending money. Now the Democrats have become the biggest proponents of the welfare warfare state, and a lot of Republicans are in that camp also.

And so that's why I'm writing this.

Article for a book, which would be a collection of essays on taxation. And my approach is that we need a constitutional budget, federal budget. We haven't had it in my lifetime since I came to this country in nineteen forty nine. As a toddler, and I've seen the country as I became aware of the laws of the United States, that we've gone far away from Article one, Section eight, which outlines very clearly what are the authorized activities of the federal government.

And you look at the federal budget could article on section eight.

It is a big disconnect because most of the government spending.

On welfare, on military, on foreign aid are just not authorized.

And the people who want an expansive government hang their hat on the general welfare clause. But as James Madison wrote, the father of the Constitution is that the federal government's responsibilities are few and defined, which is Article on, section eight, while the states have indefinite responsibilities based upon their own constitutions. So that's the thesis of a theme of my article. And I am about two thirds done, and I should have it done next week and the book should be

An income tax.

Just as the prohibitionists realized they couldn't prohibit alcohol, they had to amend the constitution. That's how we got the eighteenth Amendment. And so the Constitution has been amended in order for people who have an agenda that they realized they couldn't pass by law. They had to amend the constitution because the Constitution had very strict limits on the government.

In fact, in my piece I wrote, I write, can the federal government tax us to one hundred percent? Because if you believe the general welfare crowd, why shouldn't the government tax us one hundred percent if it's quote for the general welfare? Or why shouldn't the government spend all our money.

And collectivize the economy or nationalize the economy in the name of the general welfare? The reductial at absurdum of the general welfare clause. People who think that the Constitution gives the government an open ended right to tax us to one hundred percent, there'd be no constitutional objection to that, because they can claim that it's needed for a national emergency or war or a better economic condition, so they

Defend the Constitution.

From the statist who want to just expand the federal government. And that's why we have a thirty six trillion dollar national debt, a seven trillion dollar national budget with a two.

Trillion dollar.

A trillion dollar deficit, and it's not going to get better, I don't think unless Trump and the Musk and the Veck come up with solid spending cuts in order to downsize the government and remove these programs, either entirely by abolishing them or saying the states, if you want to do this, if you want to tax your own people, to do subsidies to the arts, subsidies to green energy, go ahead and do it, because we at the federal

And the Attorney General was part of the cabinet.

But there was no Department of Justice, which came around in the nineteenth century. So if the federal gun could function with only four departments at the beginning of our life of the republic, then why do we need Agriculture, Commerce,

They did great work.

People just read that, they will realize that the federal government really has we have an unconstitutional federal government totally spending and therefore we need to reassess and do a reset.

To you use a word from the world. They could have a form we need to.

Reset the federal government, and that I think is doable as if people understand the nature of government and what it means to have a free society, a limit government, and a free enterprise economy.

See.

Now consolidation is going to become an issue here too, because it's going to require some to you know, in order to make things more efficient. Homeland security, a lot of people would argue, has become far too expansive, far too you know, diversified. You have seventeen different agencies, right, yeah, which are you know, allegedly.

Under that umbrella.

But no one would argue that homeland security is not an issue for the federal government to have to well participate in, and yet I think it's gotten way out of control. There's probably a lot of redundancy and reduction that could be done there. I don't know how I feel about Rami Swami and Musk though going in there and the priorities that they're going to set. I'm not

What are your thoughts on that?

Well, I think the.

Short answer is, well, maybe the long answer is the foremost responsibility of the federal government is to protect the nation from attack and to protect the borders so we know exactly who's coming into the and that is the foremost responsibility. And if you can't do that, then anything else that you do is really disingenuous because protecting the people from attack.

Mayors and police have that responsibility. At a local level.

At the state level, you have state police and the governor of states to make sure that the.

People throughout the state are protected.

So again, police protection, national defense, and I underline the word defense, which doesn't mean protecting the borders of other countries is the primary responsibility of the federal government. So having said that, you could have homeland security under the Defense Department and just make sure that the border is secure, I think that's just again a common sense notion that we want to make sure that people come into the country. Like my family came to the country in August nineteen

His first cousin.

Before us, and his great aunt, I guess at the turn of the century, who raised his mother by the way, in America, which is another fascinating story. So again there's ways that people can come to America seamlessly. Go to the American consulate in your home country, apply for travel to the United States, make sure you have a sponsor like we did, that would provide you with resources so you can come here, or a nonprofit provide you with the resources so you don't become a burden on the

So it's a fascinating story.

And fortunately we were able to come to America after World War Two, and so my parents didn't want to stay in Europe anymore, since all their family members were killed during World War Two in Poland, and so they decided to come to America. And since my father's mother grew up in America and went back to Poland got Marrick raised the family and was killed during the war, he figured, let's go to America and enjoy the benefits

Right. And you wrote about this in a book, didn't you?

Correct?

My memoir, my latest book, which was published two years ago. And the wonderful thing about that book is it takes the reader through not only the timeline from coming to America nineteen forty nine until the nineteen ninety seven comatorial campaign, but my political journey, if you will, my philosophical journey from a liberal Democrat in the nineteen sixties to a libertarian in the early seventies and flirting with the Republican

L with a small L and.

I had great hopes for the Libertarian Party, but unfortunately it hasn't lived up to it what it could have been, which is a really powerful force in American politics. And I saw this firsthand in New Jersey because the way we raised enough money to get the matching funds is that we had a copywriter send a letter to excuse me libertarians around the country and we raised one hundred and fifty thousand dollars two weeks before the deadline to

In nineteen ninety seven.

There were only two Gubnato races in the country, New Jersey and Virginia, so the attention of American politics was on New Jersey and Virginia.

And since I became.

The third party candidate that got into the matching in the debates. We were getting national press. I was on the front page of the New York Times, I was interviewed by the Time New York Times, I was on the various national shows. And so again, when you only have a six week campaign, so I could appreciate what Kamala Harris went through since she only had a three month campaign. But she was the worst potential candidate in my lifetime, maybe in all American history.

See.

Now that's something I wanted to ask you about, actually regarding this past selection. Okay, and I do keep saying selection it's not a speech impediment, all right, But the thing is, she was a way worse candidate than it seems any of the alleged analysts on the corporate media want to admit.

She was terrible.

She was so terrible that she didn't even make it through the primary process when she went up against guess who, Joe Biden, you know, trying to get on anyway, she was just an awful candidate, And I wanted to ask you about that. But something else came up when you mentioned that you were, you know, on the Democratic side, say in the sixties, and that is that you may have indeed been a supporter of Robert Kennedy Senior, you know,

Junior is there.

But there's a whole lot more to it, because Bobby made a lot more sense and I do mean Junior made a lot more sense going to the Libertarian Convention in my mind than did Donald Trump.

But they were both invited.

And I wonder if you could speak to this kind of shift that occurred, because obviously you witnessed it. The Democratic Party in the sixties does not resemble the Democratic Party here in the twenty twenties. They are not even recognizable between each other in my mind, and the Republican Party from the nineties is not recognizable to the MAGA influence party of today. Now that could just be my sentimentality getting at me. But maybe i'm, you know.

Again, not too far off. What are your thought thoughts about that?

Again, I know you're going to look at the individual and you're going to weigh and measure everything. And obviously, Kamala Harris, if you believe in libertarian principles at all, Kamala is not your candidate.

We know that. Okay, it's just it's obvious. But what are your thoughts about that?

The transition from the parties and also the fact that there's this denial out there about exactly how bad of a candidate Kamala Harris was.

Those two things if you wouldn't mind, well, I.

Think it's fascinating if you look at the Democratic candidates

On parole once by the way, So yeah.

I mean Paro got nineteen percent and then nine percent, so he lost a lot of votes the second time around.

But I think Bill Clinton sort.

Of set the stage for a president no matter what his personal baggage is. Even though he lied on their oath and that's why he was impeached and not convicted by the Senate, he was able to get away with it. And and again the defensive Clinton was really absolutely uh stunning that that his activities were sort of discounted by the by the media, by his acolytes in the Democratic Party. So when you go to two thousand Gore, Gore basically distanced himself from Clinton, and he lost. And then John

He was just an awful candidate. He was basically saying, well, let's bomb Iran.

Remember he used the song from the sixties Barbara Ann bomb Bomb.

Bomb Iran. And he made Barry Goldwater look.

I think like a peacenik in terms of his persona, that we should bomb Iran. So then then you get two terms of Obama and then you get Hillary Clinton. It's her turn to run for president, and she was an awful candidate and she lost because she didn't connect with people.

I think people didn't like her.

I think she didn't offer anything that of substance, and so she couldn't become Obama's third term. And then you get COVID in twenty nineteen, the election of Trump, who people thought would never have a chance against her because people thought his candidacy was a week. But I was on a radio show a week before the election in Connecticut and I said, given the crowds and the enthusiasm that is being.

Reported, I think he's going to win. And of course he won.

He won many of the blue states that supposedly she was going to win. So then COVID comes along and Joe Biden throws his hat in the ring, and what you get is a very weak candidate who comes in fifth in New Hampshire primary. Have someone who comes in fifth in New Hampshire primary gets the nomination because he goes to South Carolina and Congressman climber rallies all the minority voters in there, and he wins there, and then the rest is history.

He wins the nomination.

Because Bernice Sanders couldn't get any traction either, Warren, The.

Thing was written really fast.

Here is again, I think it was underestimated exactly how bad of a candidate she was.

I mean, I famously said on this show. The only thing that made sense to me.

Is that, you know, she was such a bad candidate that if the CIA stole the election, for nobody would buy it, you know, like we'd all know it was bs and that's why they couldn't stick her in there. I mean, because that's what it felt like, is that

You know, you know, you know it's really ironic. Chuck, you who elected.

Donald Trump president in twenty sixteen, tell me Barack Obama nice.

Because if Biden was.

Obama's VP, he would think that Obama would give the nod to Biden as the as the candidate. But Hillary Clinton wanted it so badly and she thought she would win against Trump, who railroaded in the primary.

I think what happened.

I think Hillary Clinton had stuff on Obama because she must have ties to the FBI and CIA because she was first Lady, so she probably has people in those two organizations that had stuff with Obama, and he stayed neutral in the race. Or I think he supported Hillary but Obama. But Joe didn't run because, ye, well, the public the public reason was that his son had just died, and he didn't want to run soon after his son died, But his son really wanted him to.

Both wanted him to run for president.

And so I think Biden would have beaten Trump in twenty sixteen because he would have run the blue states.

Well, see, that's the weird thing.

That was an aberration because normally, it was just sort of a given that if you had a president who served two terms, who would run that next time around? Right, the guy who was with him, the vice president, would come out and run.

It was just the normal thing to do.

We saw that with you know, Bush, We saw that with Al Gore. He was, you know, the logical next running president would be the previous vice president if they had served two terms.

Right, That was normal. And that was the weird thing.

It was sort of like Obama got behind Hillary, not behind Biden, And okay, that was a weird sort of you know, Okay, so my son just died and a lot of people would have to say, look, if that's the real reason, Okay, you know, maybe you're not ready because it shakes you to lose a child, all right, sympathetically you could say that, but to me, it was

You know what I mean.

I'm a grandmother, I'm a great person, I'm a mom. She used none of those human things to say, you know what, I'm part of the fabric of America.

I'm one of you. She didn't do any of that nothing.

Well, it just shows you her arrogance.

And the thing that really is interesting about twenty sixteen is that Trump didn't think he was going to win. I stayed up all night to watch the election returns, and when it was announced that he won, he came on the stage and I said to myself, he's just was elected president, and he's probably saying to himself, holy shit, I'm president.

What am I going to do now?

Right?

And he picked the worst choices for his cabinet and for his advisors, and that shows you that he was not ready. He had no transition in place. He didn't have anything in place, so he wasn't vetting any people to find out who were the best people for these key positions. And he brought a lot of the neo cons into his administration, and that's what I think her them.

It is preposterous.

So he really blew that opportunity to say, listen, I really want to have more voices on this issue, even though you're telling me really direst consequences if we don't like down the country, which of course didn't work. And now let's realize that the six feet this ends the masks. And of course the so called vaccine I never believed in because vaccines take years and years to develop.

It doesn't take place in less than a year.

And so now people are getting shots every three months six months, which is absurd. And so I think Trump has to be held accountable for making I think egregious decisions that really harmed the country. Because Sweden didn't lock down, and the results of Sweden were much better than countries that did.

Lock down, there's a lot of evidence.

Out there about it, and of course now we're seeing illnesses come up. Cancer is spiking all over the country in Mayo, karaditis against among young people. So there are a lot of bad things happening with this shot. And it was predictable based upon some people's analysis of the

His COVID policies.

The question is would Christy and Santas and Nikki Hally attack him for that or would they just go along with the establishment narrative that what Trump did was basically correct.

So that's one thing I really hold against Trump.

If you want to be a president of the United States and there's the primary and you don't participate, that is a big f you to the voters. And apparently obviously it didn't hurt him because he still got the nomination, But because I was a candidate in the Republican Party and the Liberty and Party with no primaries. If you want to get the votes of the people, you have to demonstrate why you deserve to be the nominee of

Think he thought he was entitled to thenomination, he had entitled to the denomination.

This is this is the mindset of politicians that either they think the public's entitled to other people's money or they think they're entitled to the nomination. So that's why I think he lost a lot of support during the primaries because he didn't get one hundred percent of the vote.

People wanted an alternative.

In fact, people wanted an alternative to both Trump and Biden, and we just got half of that alternative change with Kamala Harris, which just shows.

You how the Democrats were too smart. By half.

Is Biden should have gotten out of the race a year earlier so he could have a robust primary.

Right And.

Again you have to blame his family, You have to blame the republic, the Democratic insiders. They should have said to Biden, listen, thank you for your service. We're going to do all we can to give you a library. But it's time that we have a new generation of leadership. I mean, the guy was declining. We saw that in twenty twenty and by twenty twenty three, he was really declining.

And we now know that Biden.

I think, and no one has reported on this. I think the reason he spent so much time in Delaware on the weekends is I think he was getting some sort of special therapy, whether it's oxygen therapy or injections or whatever. Because after he came back from Delaware, he seemed to be more sharp and alert.

Right, Well, we never know exactly what they're going to do behind closed doors like that. But this brings up another issue though for me, And this is something that I really want to get your thoughts on because to me, it's an obscene amount of money that was spent on this presidential campaign. And I do mean, you know, take a look at all sides of this. The amount of money that was raised here is billions of dollars for what is it, the four hundred thousand dollars job.

Yeah, I mean really, you think about that.

If I told you, you know, you have to spend one hundred thousand dollars okay, to get you know, a ten thousand dollars job, You're going to look at me like I'm crazy. But this is billions of dollars being spent for this presidential election. And I don't mean just the ads. I mean they spent a lot of money all across the board. One guy's got merchandise coming out

What are your thoughts about that?

Well, I've rigged about this years and years ago.

After the two thousand campaign, when I sawt the republic nomination for the Senate, right, I said, instead of having these dopey thirty second ads, each newspaper in the country should give the candidates a place in the Sunday paper to express their position, and the candidate should go around to town hall meetings in all the states that they

Neighbor, we do so through.

A nonprofit, whether it's Habitat, the Humanity of the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, a SPCA. You just go down the list of how many nonprofits there are that are doing great work. And that's why we should reduce taxes so people can donate to their favorite charities.

Saint Jews, children that go.

There and their parents, they don't get a bill even for transportation and stays in the motel or hotel.

So that's the American way to cancer Hoism.

The cancer hospital for kids there, Yest Jews right Goohead.

And the Shriners also, so there are we have everything in place to use the term that's buried about. We have the infrastructure in place to transfer virtually everything the federal government does to the nonprofit sector, whether it's arts organization, so you don't need the national arts policies in the federal government. We have so many nonprofits that are doing great work. So if you reduce people's taxes, they can help support their local nonprofit, whether.

It be.

Literary literacy, literacy centers, job training centers, you name it. Because the government can only spend what it taxes the people and what it borrows, what the Federal Reserve prints. That's a whole nother story about the Federal Reserve. But we need to downsize the government and that would free up resources because you have all these people in Washington that are basically paper pushes. They don't create any any any real value to the American people. All they do

Well, there you go, and I urge people to go ahead and subscribe to your substack and you also mentioned to me you've got another thing coming up.

Now.

You're a regular guest on a couple of radio shows, So if you want to talk about that or tell people where to find the substack, please do because, believe it or not, we've been talking for almost an hour now, and you know, I want to make sure people know where to find your work. And a lot of these things that we've just heard Murray speak about are discussed constantly on his substack, and I imagine on those radio shows.

Now.

I haven't listened to all those, but I have taken note that you're a regular guest in a couple of places, but you also have an upcoming project. So I don't know if you want to mention that, but go ahead and tell people where to find your store.

I do post at murraysaberint substack dot com. I do a video post now. Instead of writing them out, I just spend five ten minutes on several topics. I link to articles that have much more detailed information about the topics I discussed. So that's Murray Saber dot subsect dot com. Every Wednesday at eleven a m. Eastern time, I'm on Gary Nolan's show in Missouri, he's a libertarian, and we discuss so whatever issue he wants to discuss.

So today we discussed the economy. What's happening in the economy, And it looks like the Fed Reserve is doing what it always does, lower interest rates in order to stimulate the economy.

But the economy seems to do fairly well without all the stimulations, So why the Fed is doing that means that one thing that they think the economy is going to get weaked down the road. And historically the Fed lows interest rates when a recession is on the horizon. But no one sees or recession on the horizon yet,

Seven, some personal stuff, some.

Political stuff, and then it's interesting a PostScript in the book about in two thousand, Governor Whitman was going to seek the Republican nomination for the US Senate as I was, and we were going to go head and head in the primary, but she dropped out a year before the primary, and I basically got her out of the race, even though I didn't do anything except I was going to seek the nomination, and I was told by her campaign manager in June of in June of two thousand, she

So it would have been an uphill battle.

But could you imagine I had knocked off our sitting governor for the Republican nomination for the US Senate, I would probably have been one of the most desired Republican candidates in the country.

Yeah, for sure.

Look, you could have met up with Ron Paul at that point and maybe created a great ticket.

You know, that would have been excellent. Right.

Anyway, we saw that too. I appreciate Ron Paul, by the way, But again, you know, when the establishment doesn't want you to go forward, a lot of times they make it so. And that is part of the problem. The establishment is not getting the job done for a lot of people, and it's because well, what are they doing but repeating the same mistakes from the past, looks like to me, Murray. So your final thought before I close this out.

Well, the thing is, I appreciate being on the show.

And if you go to my substack, I have in my bio section at the bottom of my substack there links to my books. I have six books published. My first book was published thirty years ago this coming January, and how to create a tax free America. So this article is basically an update, a nice summary update of what I proposed in nineteen ninety five in my book on how to Create a tax for America. Then I wrote a book on the Federal Reserve called Why the Federal Reserve Sucks that was published.

In twenty eighteen. Then I've written two books on healthcare.

And another one on the business cycle, plus my latest book in my memoir.

So again, they're all available on Amazon. So I hope people read it.

They can bundle it up and give it to a young person or a middle aged person and get some ideas about healthcare, the federal Reserve, and how to create a free economy and a limited government in Washington, d C.

Well, there you go. Limited government.

That's one thing that seems like you know, my listeners don't have a lot in common, but that's one thing they usually do have in common, is that you know what, this has gotten way too far out of hand and something does need to be done about it.

Now.

We may have different solutions in mind, and if we're able to listen to each other and get the best solutions.

Uh.

And you know, read things like Murray Substack again, murraysabran dot substack dot com.

Go there, get the books. I'll give you links in the show.

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