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I roll my eyes at this because I watched that one recently, et cetera, et cetera, but not today's news because I was too busy dropping things on my feet and knocking things off the shelves and breaking stuff and doing other things around the house to get to the news today. So with that, I'm gonna hear it from my co host, see what he's got, and also hear from you guys. One more time with the number three one nine, five, two, seven, five, zero one six call in be

part of the show. You will determine what it is that we're going to talk about. And hopefully I don't have to give my opinion, my viewpoint or anything tonight. So anyway, bpete, with all of that now having come out of my mouth and be taken all that time, if I haven't put you to sleep yet, I only took about six minutes to do that. But here we are. How are you this Friday night? There? Doing pretty good. It's it's been a week of winter weather. I've been

freezing on butts off up here all week. It finally got warm a little bit today, so get a bunch of rain on Sunday and then the temperatures are going to bottom out again, be in the fifties of the days. It's that song of year when there's years almost curts. So he about a month park at four point thirty and the things will start picking up after the first of the year. But other than that, we're just trying to get the job wrapped up before we close down at Christmas. So I've been pretty

hectic. But reading the news today, trying to catch up on some things. I heard you mentioned the eight Sure not. CNN has announced that they're going to have two debates for the republicansikes, so they're not over with you yet. Yeah, and I wonder what their criteria is going to be to to see if you qualify to be on the debate. You know, they've been whittling them down based on based on fundraising and uh, let's see what else was it? Oh, percentage in the polls is how they wield them

down so far. But we were down to what people, Yeah, there was four. CNN will open it bocked up. Yeah, hang on a second, because you're going a little robotics, So just uh hang back for a minute and see if it builds up for you and your mic works a little better, your transmission works better. But just to cap something you're talking about while we wait, Yeah, this last debate, there was four people on the stage from what I could see I was listening to it, but

I did look at some images afterwards. It appears to me as though there was only four people on the stage. I mean, just because I didn't hear from them doesn't mean they weren't there. There was a couple of times with those massive debates, you couldn't tell who was talking. But yeah, it looked to me like Chris Christy, Nicki Haley you know Dysantis, right, and who was the final one there? Uh Rami Swami? Okay, And yeah, interesting News Nation ran this last one, which in conjunction with

the c W, which I found really odd as a combination. But I gotta say they kind of put some tough questions to people. They kind of didn't let it get too far out of control. It wasn't quite as bad, although there was some you know, shade fired during this particular event. People went after a few things there against each other, got a little personal.

Sounded like to me Nicki Haley personally kind of barking back at people, claiming others were liars and everything else, just constantly saying, well, I did this in Florida, and I did that in Florida. A lot of stuff flying back and forth, and Chris Christie somehow, I don't know how krispy Kreme, Governor chrispy Kreme of New Jersey has continued to survive in this equation regardless. I mean, does he have any support? He was being booed constantly. Yeah, go ahead and Pete, now, let's see if

your sound is better. I think I was just as sad. I think Christy the only reason he qualifies is based on his war chest for when he was running in the past. You know, he's been able to build up some money. But he's just he's there's the anti Trump boil. I mean, that's the only purpose he's serving, you know. So he's just kind of out there and you know, left field, which is kind of funny. You know, we've got we're down to four people now on these debates

and the number one contender supposedly isn't even showing up. I'll find that interesting. Yeah, and there he is. You know, Christy was kind of funny. Made one comment. He said, you know what if Trump gets convicted of a felony, the funny thing is that he wouldn't be able to vote in some states where he might be eligible to vote otherwise. If he's convicted of a felony, that would be interesting. But I doubt that that's going to happen. You're good. I don't think he'd be able to vote

in North Carolina. I think we have a yeah, because they just passed the rule past the law a couple of years ago that people that were out on parole could vote. She had to be out on parole. You know, you can't vote in prison, and if you're a felon, I think you get that back now once you get out and get off parole. If you're a felon, you get your right to vote. That well, in Jersey, you couldn't vote the time. In Jersey, you couldn't vote.

And you also weren't allowed state licenses for many years of any kind. If there was an a license issued by the state of New Jersey, like literally my my first stepfather couldn't have a license to be You had to have a license to be a barber for some reason in certain places, and you couldn't get that issued if you had a felony conviction, because that was his big complaint is that he would have been a barber instead of the dope dealer arm

robber that he was. So you know, it's just it's to have something fall back on. It is it is, you know, and apparently, I mean, look, one was way more. I mean, haircuts are not as lucrative as heroin, so you know, it was what it was. But anyway, no, I find it interesting for sure. Uh the debate was, you know, but it was kind of I don't know what you thought of it all together. But I say we start to go to

the callers. We've got one waiting on the line. I'm hoping more will join him, but I'm fairly certain this guy's got something to say about the debates if you don't mind. But before we get too deep into the show, I want you to uh also hopefully your your transmission will continue to improve, because I want to get to the Hunter Biden story that you sprung on me, because I was totally unaware that there was any movement in that case until you told me, because, like I said, I was too busy

breaking stuff and stubbing my toes to uh watch the news today. But anyway, let's let's get to the caller. We got Harlan on the line, and Uh, you're up first this time. Harlan. What's happening? What's on your mind this week? It feels good to be number one, well much better than number two in a lot of people's books or toilets. Yeah,

are in their mouth, Yeah, on their platform. Yeah, what's going on the Yes, I watched the debates other than that, and it seemed like it was probably the best rand one that we've had so far. Or CNN's supposed to be waiting to see if the GOP will of offer as the other say debates. I did say that. Yeah, I don't know why they wouldn't, though, Harlan, because here's the thing. They had one on NBC, you know, Lester Holt was literally part of the equation

at one point, so why not do it on CNN. I don't think CNN is more of an enemy to the GOP than than MSNBC is I mean, unless I miss something, Although I got to give it to News Nation, I did not expect them to be the the better Uh you know, what do you call that? Facilitators? You know, I didn't expect them to run the tighter ship, you know, because they're they're a fairly new

entity in the news business, et cetera. And they were partnered up with the CW, so it actually might have gone out on what is digital broadcast TV. And uh, indeed they did run a much tighter debate than anybody else has so far, I think even Fox Right. Yeah, I mean, it just seemed like it just overall went better it seems like they did a better job, and like they wasn't how would you say they wouldn't badging them the desk if they went just a little over you know what I'm saying.

That's what it seemed like to me. But I thought overall, it was just a lot better platform and you know, debate, and I mean maybe they was trying to get noticed. You know, out of the crowd were Fox and MSNBC and CNN is seen as just such shields or whatever side

of the coin. You know, people wants to think about it. Well, and even though news Nation identifies itself as like a Christian conservative entity, right, the odd thing was they were not afraid to hit them with a couple of wicked, uncomfortable questions towards the end too, I thought, because I mean they even at one point that I don't remember the lady's name, but she went to Swami to say, hey, you know what, you're

even turning around and doing the whole not calling Nicki Haley by the name Nikki or whatever. I forget what her Indian name is, because I just think of her as Nicki Haley. But uh, you know, you're shaming her based on this what is with that which you know, normally a mainstream news entity would not want to touch that because how many different politically incorrect rails are you going to hit doing that? Asking the Indian guy if he's shaming the

woman for being an Indian? Right? I mean, oh, what are we doing here? Uh? And they also let the abortion debate fly a little bit too, a little more than I expected from the conservative outlet. What was your thoughts on that? You know, I thought they like I said, they did pretty good. They nailed h Krispy Kreme? Is you cowing down on his comments on the general mutilation of the young children? And he didn't really have nowhere to go just at their nichiep rad you know,

some left wing bullshit. I don't know why he just doesn't drop out and go over and run with go Biden this time? Well see, now you think that's the left wingist his position? I got a question for you and b Peter definitely to the right of me, So I got a question for you guys. How is it that that's a bad I know it's not the preferred position at this time on that issue, but it's kind of a contradiction because normally the conservative element would say that parents have supremacy when it comes to

making decisions about their children. Now, I know the idea is, okay, this is abuse to allow for this, you know, sex change operations and the use of hormones and all that. But at the same time, there's other things that go on with kids where other people might call it abuse as well. Cream you know, Krispy Kreme. To his credit, I think was consistent here with what I think is a normal conservative position, which is that parents do have the right to make their calls with their children,

even if the population disagrees with it. That should usually take supremacy unless there's a direct See. Now there's where the problem comes in. Probably is what you guys are going to tell me. But I wonder from each of you real quick. Let me ask me Pete about it and go back to you if you don't mind Harlan on this, because it was weird to me. Did you catch that part of it? Be Pete? The whole thing with Krispy Kreme there and the sex change, the sex reassignment stuff. Now is

he against it? Well not. What he's saying is no, he doesn't like it, but the government should not be involved in that decision. It should be between you know, like in other words, the parents get to say what happens to the children, not the government, is the general position he was taking. So question is isn't that the normal standard for a conservative position, although there is an augment to it in this case because people make

another statement after it. But isn't that kind of a normal old school conservative position where even when it came to spanking, when it came to you know, corporal punishment, when it came to various things here that other people said, oh, the states should get involved in this, and that that's usually a democrat wants the state to intervene when it comes to parents making decision about

their children. And he's saying that I stand by the idea that no one but me gets to say what happens to my children, and that should be the way that the government's attitude is not the government's involvement in that decision. So it's a thing, what do you say. I don't know that it's I don't know if you could call it a standard conservative view in that yes, most people they call themselves concer servatives. The parent has a choice.

However, there are some relics. Oh, Carlin, I'm gonna mute you because we're getting a bit of air, but I'll come back to Yeah, I'm going to come back to you. Sorry, be Pete, you're getting interrupted by Harlan's noise, but go ahead. You were saying, Yeah, there are some members of the Republican Party that feel that the government should get involved. And the reason that they have to get involved is because you have

government agencies in that that are mandating certain things take place. So, you know, you you've got to get the government out of it. You have to get the government in it deeper than they are now to fight it out. But yeah, I guess you could say that is the standard conservative position that the parents have a right to decide what happens to their child, right, you know, But you've got you've got medical agencies, you've got hospitals,

you've got child services that all are are making themselves involved. But you've got you've got some municipalities that have passed ordinances saying that, yeah, this can happen. You know, you can't interfere if they feel that it's in the best interests of the child, and some court decrees that, then you're fighting government to keep them from doing what you don't want done to your child. It's getting to be real sticky. Now. Well that's that's what we

didn't have fifteen years ago. This wasn't an issue because it wasn't pushed to the forefront of everything. Now, for some reason, considering the amount of transgenders that there are in the population, they seem to be getting a lot of attention for things that they want and demand. And I mean they are, they're they're a sliver of a minority, and they're being pushed to the front of the agenda when it comes to so many things. I don't understand

it neither. Just write it off to the Let me pull it out of that soup for a second and ask you the question in a different way, because generally speaking, I thought that the nanny state approach was usually a liberal thing. I hate it. By the way, I am against this. I stand on the side of well, hang on a second. Yes, I don't want to keep on this issue because I want to go to something else to compare it for a second. Because here's the thing. I would

normally say that a parent makes that decision. There are people out there that say, look, If you expose your kids to things like guns too early, you're abusing them. If you expose them to different things that are more adult in nature too early, you're abusing them. If you use corporal punishment, which I don't utilize very much myself, but I have utilized it, okay in the raising of my children. I don't think that the government has a right to come in and take my child away for that. There is

a difference between discipline and abuse, and it is a fine line. But I'm not all for just the you know, straight up beating of children, all right. You know, although there are people that are for it, I think that that is more or less the parents supreme domain to figure out, right, and most times I would say decisions need to be made by parents in almost all cases. I don't like government agencies like your child protective services. And you know, in New Jersey we had something called dyfis.

These people would get involved and literally take over your control from your children. They would take them away from you if you made poor decisions, if something happened due to a you know, kind of a mishap, you know, you lose track of your kid in a store, they want to take away your child, you know, stuff like this, and I think that the government, government needs to get the hell out of the business. Well, hang on, government needs to get the hell out of the business of figuring

that out. Indeed, there are some parents who endanger their children. But is it at all times something that the government needs to be involved in. I think there's been too much of it. I think that it's been pushed by the left. And here's the weird part of it. Now, the more conservative elements say, look, we need to get the government involved here because this is a form of abuse and damage being done to a child. It is the same argument. It's on a different plane, but it's the

same argument. This is a parent doing damage and we need to step in and protect the child. Right. That is literally the same position that a liberal takes when it comes to one hundred other things of much less importance. Maybe, but still it's weird to me to hear this, and odd because Krispy Kreme basically is standing by what I always thought of as a much more conservative position, which is, parents make those decisions, the government should not

be involved. Whether it's sex education, it's uh, you know, exposure to a chemical substances, it's training or teaching them about guns or weapons or anything else in the world. Uh, the government is not the arbiter of what is appropriate and what is not appropriate, and should not be making decisions on behalf of the child. I would think that that's a solidly conservative position.

But again, like I said, the left often, you know, defaults to the nanny state, that the nanny state knows better, the village knows better than that. And well, but that's why you have certain elements in the in the Republican Party that are pushing for government to get involved.

Because it's worked its way down to the local school boards, where schools are passing resolutions and rules about keeping from parents the decision of a child that goes to a counselor and says, I'm a guy, but I feel like transition. I'm in the process of transitioning to a female, so I prefer these pronouns and I want this, and I want that, and the school basically

hides it from the parents. It's gotten to the point that now Republicans want government to get involved to keep things like that from the other side of government from happening. Right. Well, it's just a big spiral. Yeah, it's going to continue down. Well, parents don't have it's no longer. Parents don't have the absolute right anymore. That's been taken away from them for quite some time, right, And I don't know that you're going to be

able to revert back to that. Oh, yes, I understand and agree with you. But here's the thing. It's dozens of circumstances where this has already occurred. When it comes to abortion. You know what, parents don't have a right to know in a lot of places. When it comes to drugging kids, they'll turn around and say, you can't even send your kids to school unless they're properly drugged because they had a behavior problem. We've evaluated

their psychological risk to themselves, to other people. They're a problem. They need to be drugged, they need to be this. They have turned around and induced chemicals into kids that screw up their brains plenty already. And tell you the truth, most of the liberals were just fine with that government involvement there to push drugs down their throats. Government involvement there to hide abortion,

government involvement there. And I understand the idea of hiding the abortion thing because I've seen some negative things happen when you got a pregnant child, and if they don't get a chance to take care of it on their own, they might lose a lot of things, and their parents, you know, throw them on the street and things like this. It happens. I get it, I get the philosophy, But again and again, I feel like it's

already been done this way. Now, what the conservative element is asking here for to intervene, to have the government intervene, is really based on what the opposite side of the equation has done now for the past i don't know, three decades, pushing psychotropic drugs, pushing psychological solutions, pushing legal solutions onto kids through the school systems, through the localists, and that, and turning around and saying, we can't even have your child in your home or

in the school unless you drug them, unless you have them with yet psychiatric evaluations, unless they've been hospitalized, unless they've been put through this that third thing. Psychological evaluations and labels have been applied to kids, whether it's for

learning disabilities or it's for emotional disabilities, et cetera, et cetera. And now they're confronted with this problem because of the transgender issue, which again is ridiculously amplified because, as you point out, it's a sliver of a minority, not even a minority, really a sliver of a minority that is being

focused on here. And yet we find reverse positions, like I said, where the people that normally I think would say what you know, Krispy Kreme is saying, you know, Governor Christie, what he's normally saying is that, you know, parents should make those decisions. Yeah, that's the way it stood thirty years ago, but that is no longer viable position. Yeah, but to a degree, you could argue that taking that position is a fallacy because we're never going to go back to the point. You know,

Conservatives basically believe in smaller government. The less the government interferes with my daily life, the better, right, and that goes for everything from your local municipality to your school boards to the federal government and the craft that they have to put up with. Yep, those days are over. There's no unless you completely overhaul our system of electing people to represent us outside of the two parties, well one party, the uniparty. Until that happens, it's not

going to change. So, you know, although he may say he you know, likes that position. He feels that's the best one where the parents make the decisions. You know, good luck to that, because thank god I don't have any kids. I haven't had to go through this, because I probably would have been in jail a thousand times just over the craft that the school system is dumping on kids and parents. So, you know, there, before the grace of God, go I because I don't have to

have that battle. It's impossible. I feel sorry for anybody that has to raise kids today because of the amount of craft that they have to put up with from government about their kids. Exactly. I'll tell you one of the great one of the best improvements for me from moving, you know, from

up north from a purple or bluish state to a red state. Let me tell you what the biggest improvement was for me is that, indeed, people got the hell out of my business a lot more in general, So in the bluer state, in the purpleish state of Jersey, in the blue state of New York, and the purple state of Jersey. All right, guess what people got in your business. You had a snitch based culture up there where you know, even if your kid didn't do anything legally wrong, if

they offended a neighbor. The next thing you know is you're being investigated by a state agency. And if they help to turn up criminal things, you know, they'll turn around and find you know, you have a gun charge. They'll catch you with a bag of weed before they legalized weed in Jersey. They'll catch you with a bag of weed because they're checking in on a

child abuse allegation. You'll wind up getting charged because they were digging into you to protect your child in quotes right, You'll wind up getting charged for that, or they'll find out you have an illegal hookup to something or whatever else. They'll bust you and wind up running a search on you based on your you know need. You know they're there, they can just walk right in there. And half the time these are social workers, not even law enforcement

people who grab lawd enforcement people back of the mouth. And I'm just saying that that's one element here that's crazy. So go ahead, Well, there's there's been a recent development in California that kind of shows how ridiculous the whole thing is. Gotten. They now have regulations in place covering toy stores or any stores like Walmart, they sell toys, okay that you now have to have a gender neutral toy section, gender neutral toy section for toys, or

you face fines and your business license could be pulled. That's how ridiculous it's gotten. So when you set up your toy display in Walmart, you know, you can't group all this stuff together where the good It's like shopping. You go down this aisle for men's stuff, you go down this aisle for women's stuff. You go down this aisle for girls stuff. You go down this aisle for boy stuff. You can't do that in the toy section anymore.

You cannot separate things. And I'm sure they're going to get the clothing here before it's too long. But that's how big government has crept it. Yeah, they're going to have to. If you can't sell hot wheels to boys and barbies to girls, you know, then god forbid you sell you know, pants to a boy or a skirt. You're gonna have to have

skirts in the boys section. Now. It's just crazy, but that's how this thing has snowballed, and government has found its way to stick its tentacle into every little aspect that they can I mean, it's just typical of how ridiculous has gotten. So look, Harlan is held on. We lost another caller, but call back in, dude, because I want to get around everybody's view on this. Please kick in, because I'm just trying to throw it on the table as best I can, and I want people to think

about this aspect. Because I was listening to Governor Christy and saying to myself, as much as I hate to admit this, that I agree with him. That is the way it should be. It's nice to hear from politicians sometimes things that should be Bpete points out, though it's absolutely not legitimately realistic

at this point because of the point we're at. I mean, you're telling me that the whole controversy a couple of years ago about whether they can make mister and missus potato head anymore or now we need a I don't know they them potato head because you gotta have generor neutrality has to be represented in a toy store. I mean, you know, you just have to have you just need to have a potato with pronouns. With pronouns, well, can you stick a different pronoun on it? Like along with the hat and the

mustache and stuff. Is that a possibility? Well, they may have to change it from mister and missus potato head to what is sis? Sis? Would? Okay? Cis gender means you're like what we used to call normal this potatoes versus well, what would you call a trans potato? That's what I'm trying to figure out is what is the right term because they you know, their pronoun is they and then right, so they're not a he or pato people potato people. Yeah, it can't be a mister or missus potato

head. It would have to be potato people. Is people acceptable anymore? Because you don't know, there's people like, you know, anti species is I'm serious because there are people out there that say, well, actually I'm this different species. I'm just doing a human form at the moment, and I go, yeah. The Indians talked about that too, and they said that was a spirit animal. But they weren't stupid enough to believe that that was actually them. They were just channeling the spirit. Do you to,

well, do you have to segregate out the perthy potatoes? Well, there you go. The birth giving potato is not necessarily man or woman or male or female, even though male and female are more agricultural or you know, what do you call it animal husbandry terms? They're actually not for humans. But okay, man or woman? No, no good? What is the they them? What is the other? Oh that's right, there's twenty six choices now right, But what is it? Is it A? Is it

a Z? You know, at one point somebody said he should be a Z. And if you did make it a Z and say anything other than the he or the she is now a Z. No, I don't make it a Z because the British people say Z and it just sounds stupid. Oh yeah, okay, so instead of you know, mister and missus and Z, it would be Z. Like if you, if it was you

would be zed be pete. Right, what the hell does that? I guess if you were a post, if you were a past potato, it would be said by old by old British standards and all these things that happened to be or stuffed off your ass your ass, yes, of course, all right, then let's go back to Harland, who's still on the phone. And by the way, let's have Jimmy James call back in because I'm as certain that Jimmy James might have a few viewpoints to offer on this particular

issue. Okay, Harland, you're back on the line. Well, since it's just me, uh give me a little play here and I'll give you my opinion about this. Please do first of all, before we move on, I won't talk about just real quickly about ram Swammy and his use of Leo khon Nicky is you know, given Indian name, mister pharmaceutical billionaire. You know, back in the day over in East Tennessee, some of us would have said his Indian name was you know, Forkid Needle. Yeah.

Because he's telling one lie or another and he's four something that he's against it, he hates Trump and I was kissing his ass all this having. Besides that, I'm gonna move on this whole thing. What a lot of people's talking about. I'm talking about the mainstream people on this, these young people and this gentle little mutilation and this tran stuff. I don't think there's that many people is ready to have a fit because little Johnny's, you know,

wearing a dress or whatever. But you know, a parent cannot give you a beer if you're under twenty one. Any kind of alcohol, of drugs about you know, severe failing these in a lot of cases, right and severe you know, reconcussions from what I understand, or you know, several years ago. I don't know about now, but a parent cannot you know, sim Oh, Harlan might have hung up on himself there. I want you guys to know. I did not cut him off. Uh, he

just suddenly disappeared from the line. But look, Harlan or anybody else listening. Three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six, I literally have ninety nine open lines, so you guys can join in. Oh, but he was a good thing there, Yeah, go ahead. Nicky Haley's given middle name is Nicky. So we went through this back when one of the Sunny whatever name is hosting on the view made a disparaging comment about Nicky Haley not using her real name. Well, her real name is

Nicki. Her first name is Nimarata, her middle name is Niki, her maiden name is rond Halla, and her married name is Haley. So she goes by a given name. I don't know why people still have this thing about Oh, she's not Indian enough because she goes by Nicki. Well, her mother named her that, so give her a break. Yeah, Nikki n I kk I is part of her regular name. You know, she's one of those people with what looks like two middle names. Well only because

she's married. And no, she doesn't have two middle names. Her name is her married Before she got married, her name was Nimurata Nikki Randhawa. Okay, when she got married it she still goes by the Niki. Yeah, her married name is Hailey, so she knows she's She did one of those very liberal things where you know, you could hyphenate or you could add right to the names, her husband's name, and she took her husband's name and added it as opposed to removing the what they would call a maiden name.

Probably none of this stuff is politically correct that I'm saying right now. But his wife she always went by her middle name. She didn't like her first name, so her whole life she was known as her middle name. So you know, it's not uncommon for people to go by their middle name because they don't like their first name. Right, No, that happens. I've known plenty of people where like there was one guy one of my stepfathers. Again, I could point you very easily. He went by the name

Rick. His actual name was Eric, but he just people called him Rick. Look, people call me Chuck. That's not my legal name. But at one point, you know, somebody tried calling me by my middle name. I didn't like it, so I didn't go with it. But you know, it's just a thing. I mean, I don't get it, except that there are people that say what she's doing is being ashamed of her

background by not acknowledging her first name. But like you said, it could very easily be I mean, look, missus Zoe, I call her kim Technically speaking, it's Kimberly, which, by the way, there are men named Kimberly, which I find very odd. But you know, in today's society, God help us. I mean, who knows what could happen there. But Harlan appears to be back, so I want to let him continue

with what he was saying, if you don't mind. But this is an interesting thing about this with Ramaswami and attacking her on this, Uh you know, are you Indian enough kind of thing? So I want Harlan to continue from there. I didn't cut you off, Harlan. I don't know why you dropped and you might have hung up on yourself. Okay, that was on my this does since I got this day, that's it. But I won't pulling out you know, I don't think that. I mean, who

cares what she's using? You know what I mean? I think, you know, Ramswamy is beating a dead horse, you know, pulling that trick. You don't I'm saying, I just don't understand that. I guess that's some kind of you know, some of their inner racial thing that it might insult you know, her more than it would you know, the average person or whatever. Well, maybe he just figures it's hard. Maybe he just figures it's harder to call him racist because he's got, you know, some

skin in the Indian game. Is that maybe the possibility here? Yeah? Yeah, probably so. And you know I would agree with him a lot more on what he says than what she says. I won't point that out, but you know, I think he's I've seen too many things. He's lied and he's flip fluffed on just here in the last couple of years. And then there's a clip running around of him and Mayor Pete was was it on Roland Martin or Al Sharpton or something on MSNBC just so happened to be

setting out in the audience. I mean, what's the odds, you know. And I'm not hoping not against him as much as just you know, he was telling the truth on Trump a year or so ago, and now he you know, he cannot run quick enough to pull vacuum on one side

of Trump's ass. I mean from books have ever seen. But back to what I was saying about the stuff with Krispy Kreme and you know and DeSantis, the differences between them, you know, Luck, I was saying, there's a lot of states at one time, for as I know, you couldn't let a underage, you know, kid get a tattoo, whether if it was my own or a sleeve or you know, all over their body.

And all most people were saying, here isn't a lot of people on the right and don't like this, but at least let them wait till they get old enough, you know, to know what they want to do. How many people right now that's thirty five, forty five, fifty five years old. Sally was into some kind of fad, you know, fifteen twenty thirty years ago that they're ashamed of now, but you know they've not you

know, been cut on or get it. And you know, I think myself a lot of this is just another you know, medical industrial gimmick because things set back and sell these people anal treatments and medicines for the rest of their life, especially if they're want to. You know, most of these transgenders or sexuals or whatever, you know, the male the female. From what I understand over the here, they still got the lower equipment and most

of them are not gonna get that cut off. Now, if you've got a ten, twelve, thirteen, fourteen year olds, you might be able to put that in their mind, you know what I'm saying. But once you go to you know, taken off, think no putting back. But see that's the thing, it's permanent. Right. So well, here's here's the point that I see, right, And that's what's curious about this is I don't understand how it is that people couldn't just say, look, drop

all the rhetoric. How about the simple limitation that it's a permanent alteration, just like in the case of a tattoo, which I think is sensible honestly, that you don't require anything else other than, look, somebody's got to be at least of age to go and put ink on their skin, which is not completely irreversible, but it's difficult to reverse, you know. And

I'm somebody with tattoos, right. I don't think that you need to have that before the age of at least consent and at least whatever people want to deem as adulthood, whether it's eighteen or twenty one. You know, you could play in that area. Do I think people are fully developed at that time? No, But I mean at some point you got to let them be adults. And I'm thinking same thing for a beer, same thing for if you made twenty one all right, the thing and also if you did

it for people. See now, other people would say, what about the military? You can go and die and you can do this if you're eighteen, okay, fine, But I mean if you made everything pretty much eighteen, or you made everything a twenty one year area where your parents need to protect you up to that point, but after that your decisions are yours, I would I would be for that, and it should be done across the board on all this stuff. In my mind, and that to me,

is not a nanny state position, that's just sanity. Am I Am I wrong on this? Harlan? What do you think? No, no, no, you're on you know kind of saying, you know, track, I will phone out a few most things. They wrapped this up at the bait okay. Uh see when when I wars Jesus was you know, kaying and everything? They slipped in a stale or where you had big twenty one

to purchase any tobacco products. Ramsay said you had to be eighteen, but I actually got to be twenty one before you can buy a cigarette now across the board every state in America. It's been like that for it's probably three or four years now. Also cars about parent rights and everything, Well, first of all, be Pete was going, you know, kind of a

direction where I'm fixing to go to. And you know, if anybody's got any virgineers, now would be the time to skip over a few minutes ure you know, turn it down or whatever, because I'm gonna tell it just like it is. First of all, what kind of rights do you have as a parent if for any and any reasoning to show up and you know, parent bed you see what I'm saying, there's all kinds of talk about, you know, once from the time they get on that school bus the

time they get back off. You know, basically, you know, the school owns them. I do think that they should be responsible forever. If that's the case, you know, my school and my bus driver, goody else that'd be responsible for I'm still calling mommy and Daddy says they was under

their care and control. You see what I'm saying. But you know, look, you can't sit here and tell you kids you can go out these same you know, little humans that you can say, yeah, honey, you know, will get you some you know, some fake boobs, and you can go over here and you can start, you know, doing whatever with grown people. Just like they can't tell them they can do that. Why in the hell can they sit here and say, oh, yeah, honey, you can do all this. I mean, it's just this total

bullshit. Christy is a cocksucking piece of shit in my opinion, and he's it's good that he said some of this stuff that he is brought out, he's actually told the truth. But he's just basically, you know, a round about liberal cocksucker that's got a ro next to his name because he's got some republic downer, so he's a polate status more or less. And I think it's really one of the only reasons why that you know, he is even got art next to his name. Besides that, when's the last time

as a Republican ever, you know, been elected in New Jerseys. Now, if you were, yeah, well no, we we get governors. But it swings back and forth. But the reason why you have any Republican governors or Republicans that are selected in New Jersey is because of their law and order stance. It's the only reason. It's not because of the conservative you know, social issues. It's all about law and order. That is why this guy was exactly the kind of guy who gets selected in New Jersey.

Because he was thought of as a law and order candidate. After we had gone through a time period of you know, loose corruption and this and that, this guy was meant to be come in and you know, clean it up. Of course, he was corrupt as anybody else. That's how he got to be the you know, this is New Jersey politics. But in truth, the Republicans that gets selected in New Jersey are only there because it's always thought of and I thought of this this way when I was younger.

Republicans on a local level especially, will bring you more law and order directly. Now, the problem is, you're exactly right with Christy. The reason why he is acceptable at all in Republican establishment circles or ever was, is because he's willing to take the jack boot and put it on, especially all of us troublemaking liberals. He's definitely willing to crack down on all those trouble

making hippies and problem children with the police state. He's exactly the guy who introduces plenty of nanny state and throw the cops at the issue, you know, send people in, get him arrested, break some heads. This is Chris Christie's way. Now, he does it politely, he doesn't say it straight up, but that's the reality of it. You're exactly right, and that's exactly why he survived with that R in front of his name. But

otherwise he is a spineless He's not really committed anything. Now, he said some right things recently, and he accurately tears up Trump in my mind, but other than that, the guy is useless, absolutely useless. He's such a whatever you want to call him. I mean, he's a guest hallophone ammunition. See, from what I understand, you can't even have hallophone ammunition in the Jersey citting for many years. Nope, it's at you even possessed

him. It's yeah, that's a felony possession in New Jersey. You know, I can remember when that piece of shit was a governor up there and all these you know, these pre maggotards was running around here, you know, hollered my NRA and my freedom and all that, that bunch of scumbag bullshit and screaming about all these gun bands. Well but them had them gun bands in the Jersey, in the York, you know, some of them

had our last that they never did talk about him. And here's you know, here's this flag wife and you know, allegedly fat portrait of Reagan. O. God, he's still over New Jersey. What did he do? Yeah, that's the time. You know. You know what's funny to me about this, Harlan is that you, unlike most of the people on that side of the equation. You know what they bitch about the fact that he

embraced Obama when Obama visited after Hurricane Sandy. Okay, after Superstorm Sandy, he was there and like, thank you for giving us help from FEMA and mister President, and he was polite to Obama. That is their big issue, Like they don't look at any of the crap he pulled, at any of the disaster he made in Jersey. They don't look at any of the corruption. You think Bridgegate, that's what you got to hear about around the country. I was cracking up the whole time when that was a big story,

going are you guys serious? This is the corruption you're pointing to. So you're not going to look at all of the selective prosecution that went on while he was governor. Forget about when he was a US attorney. When he was governor, there was plenty of people basically getting away with all kinds of murder in New Jersey so long as they were donating to the right party, which was his party. It's not about Republicanism, It's about Chris Christie.

He is Jaba, the fucking hut governor of Jersey. That's it. I just about said the effort almost completely out of my mouth. This guy pisses me off. You can tell him jab of because I remember jabs. Wasn't he that too? All in line with the vaccine, all in line with anything that is. And you know what it is. It's not about the philosophical he believes in science, and no it isn't. It is about compliance with this guy. This guy is about you know what. I've got

people with badges. I've got people with badges, government titles, we have government vehicles with markings on them. You know what you're supposed to do? Obey? That is who he is. That yeah, And it doesn't matter what philosophical where he stands on an issue, get out of here. That's irrelevant. What it is is obey, comply. That is who he was. That is the the culture he encouraged in New Jersey. That is you know, just like in New York City when Rudy Giuliani took over as mayor.

Okay, the police there caught a different attitude immediately. All Right. I'm not on the side of Sharpton, I'm not on the side of all those political activists, and believe me, I'm not on the liberal side of New York. But I will tell you this that as soon as Juliani stepped in and took the reins as mayor, the behavior of the police changed again. And every time you see a new regime coming to New York City, the police take their cues from it. Okay, they were completely unchecked.

Well, Dinkins was in there, and they were encouraged to do bad stuff while Juliani was in there. So this is what went on. And people on the streets also took the cues. Why were there so many riots while the Democrat was in there because he knew, or they knew, people knew on the street that they were going to be unchecked. He was going to turn his head, not back him up, not help out the cops, not stand by him, not encourage him to be more violent or anything.

What he was going to do is turn his head and just I'm not seeing you. That's what he did, and that's what I watched happen while I lived there. Okay, And Juliani encouraged the police state. He encouraged an absolute crackdown. You know, you get to a point where cops should be patrolling a neighborhood and keeping an eye on things and all that. Great.

You see when a cop is willing to break your skull because you happen to be on a street corner a little bit late, and you know, you didn't move right away when they snapped an order at you and they beat you down. That is a different Yeah, that's a different culture. And that was being encouraged under Giuliani. But only if you were certain people. Other people could be flat out criminals and do whatever the hell they wanted and they

were protected. The cops played the we don't see you game, and that was encouraged from the top down. I'm certain that that's what's going on now. But anyway, back to this with Krispy Kreme again, I lived there in Jersey while he was governor. He encouraged the state troopers get more aggressive. He wanted more aggressive policing, he wanted more aggressive tensions, he wanted things. You know, this is what he wanted. That's what he got.

And as far as the rest of his policies go, he did nothing but make a mass, nothing but make a mess, no progress, no movement toward anything proper. You notice DeSantis in his short time as governor, turned around on that stage and said several times, I signed this, I did this. Now. I'm not saying he was entirely truthful with everything but you see, DeSantis could point to stuff he did. Notice what Krispy Kreme doesn't do, say I did this, I did that. Outside of hurricane

relief after Sandy, which he did actively participated. People were hurting, displaced, and you know what, he allowed the state to try and help them a bit. It took quite a while, and it took FEMA quite a while, and I assure you it was about a month. If we didn't have churches and people on the ground networking with each other, a lot of people would have starved to death and everything else in New Jersey. Okay, it wasn't the government that got the ball rolling, but they did finally come

a few weeks later and help out. Some give him that. So he did move. And when Obama came and he thanked him, everybody's pissed at that. It's stupid. That is a show for the media. So what how about you look at what he did and what he didn't do. That's just because we such stuff against Trump. I mean, if he'd never said the thing against Trump had been the best thing since slice bread, and he thanked Obama. They've been out telling people he made Obama come up first.

But in my clothing on him. This guy just ooses I've seen him over the years, he ooses corrupt, control freak, dictating prick. That's what he owses one hundred percent. You know. I you know, I'd gore to see fucking Biden staying there's I with him because he ain't got a chance

of getting there. But you know, even Biden is not as that much for the empty under control freak from what I've seen, and and he's done all kinds of stupid shits that's under the control for you know, umbrella in my opinion, Yes, but yeah, I got He's just he's just a damn people for me. It's not like I've just seen him. He in the last couple of months. I mean I've seen him for years. But guys, he just stood out and everybody, Oh, look at a Republican

in New Jersey for so what I mean, who can I mean? So what, Yeah, you've had You've had others, You've had others. I'll go look at it, but uh you know, uh well we'll we'll we'll just take a look at that real fast, because I know it's had gone back and forth throughout the course of my lifetime. You know, What's weird too, is that Nikki Haley is almost exactly the same age as me. She's like four months older than me, I think, or three months older

than me, which I find weird. You know, here we go with some Generation X representation at least. But I would prefer Nicki Haley over christ Yeah, I would prefer Nicki Haley or DeSantis over freaking Krispy Kreme any day, to tell you the truth. Uh, you know, but again, I don't want to get too much into my opinions, and I want you guys to join in out there. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six b Pete, what do you have to say about this exchange between

me and Harlan over Krispy Kreme here? Well, yeah, to me, it's just old toast. You know, Christy's done with He needs to just go ahead and fade away and get a job on CNN or something as a as a spokesman, I mean, I don't put any I don't put any weight in anything he has to say or any of his positions. He's a one term governor and so what what did he do? Nothing? You know, he got away with what Bridgegate didn't do something about closing the bridge or

something there. Well, that's what you knew about is that he closed a bridge to get back at a political rival who had screwed him over on something else. But uh yeah, that that that that's about it. That sounds typical. Yeah, that sounds typical. It is, you know, so I really I just assume I'm just ready for Chris Christy. They're off into

the sunset and do something else. Right listening to him, but I just I don't understand how he makes it onto the debate stage when you know, even in the polls, the guy's got no, he doesn't have a clue. He doesn't have a chance. So he doesn't have a clue about not having a chance. Right now, here's the reason why Harlan says, you know, when was the last time we had a Republican governor New Jersey? Okay, here's the thing up to twenty eighteen. Okay, twenty ten to

twenty eighteen is Chris Christy. So he actually had multiple terms. But John Cordy what two term governor? Uh? Well, what is that? That's that's uh? I think we still have the two year deal up there, right, So we got four either four two year terms or two four year terms. I think it's four two year terms, believe it or not. Really. Yeah, But anyway, before that, you had uh yeah, John Corzine for four years. You had Jim McGreevy for two years, okay,

but McGreevy was a replacement, mind you. You know Richard Cody. These are Democrats now that I'm listening. So Corzine, McGreevy, Cody. And then you get to Bennett, okay, which was just in there for two thousand and two as a Republican. That was during that time after Christy Todd Whitman left, right, So you had de Francisco excuse me, de Francesco, de Francesco whatever. He was there for like a minute between two

thousand and one and two thousand and two. And that's all because Governor Whitman had left in two thousand and one to go ahead the EPA after being in there from ninety four to two thousand and one. So from ninety four to two thousand and two you had Republican governors, all right, just saying then you had one Democrat for four years, Jim Florio, who they just about ran out of Jersey on a rail over his taxes. Okay, I don't know if if that got into the national conversation, but that was a big

deal. His big mistake was taxing toilet paper, by the way, that's what outraged people in New Jersey. Anyhow, Before that, you had Republican Thomas kan or Keane, depending on how you say his name. And then you have the infamous Brendan Byrne, who was in there from seventy four to eighty two. So from eighty two to ninety you had a Republican. From ninety to ninety four you have a Democrat. From ninety four to two thousand and two you have a Republican. You see what I'm saying, It swings

back and forth. So from two thousand and two to twenty ten, okay, eight years there you have combo Democrats and then eight years of Christy. So you know, almost in eight year cycles. It looks like to me, if you go back far enough to where I was born, yeah, like every eight years you have a big switch. And let's see, it was Hughes up until nineteen seventy, and when I was born, it was Republican government Governor Cahill who was there for four years from seventy to seventy four.

Then, like I said, the infamous Brendan Byrne, who the arena was named after for no apparent reason, from seventy four to eighty two, and that's the way it goes. So in about approximately six to eight year cycles, you have it switching back and forth from Republican to Democrat. Although the Christy Todd Whitman situation was weird because she resigned and ultimately it was turned over to McGreevy who was run out of office and Corzin took over and then

I believe one one selection or two on his own. But McGreevy was run out of office because he had given he had a fake family situation there where his straight family was upfront to the public and his gay lover was working for him, and he gave his gay lover a job, and that's why he got run out of the governor's mansion in Jersey, which was too funny because

everybody knew it on the local level. And that's an odd thing that happened in that time period that today would be a whole other situation, even though it was really about the corruption of you know, bringing in uh, you know, giving special job treatment to somebody you were personally attached to. That was what the real problem was. But people did freak out also because he

was like the closeted gay governor. Anyway, Yeah, so you know, New Jersey is a weird purple state in my mind because every six to eight years we switch. We go, Okay, let's go Republican. That's not working, Let's go Democrat. Okay, that's not working, Let's go Republican. This is where it goes. And I think it legitimately sways that way.

That's why I call it that. But anyway, well, to refer to our drive by from Jimmy James, and I don't know who he directed this at, but his point number four, having never lived in real America, you do not have an accurate perception on so called political parties and their actual beliefs. Now. I don't know who he was directing that at, whether it was me, you, or Harlan, but I you know, it seems shocked making well, it just seems strange that, you know,

he would make a comment like that. I think I'm a little older than he is. I've lived in real America. I know about political parties and what they believe, and what their platforms are, and how they always abandon them when it comes time to do whatever it is they're supposed to do. So I mean, if that's the quality of comment we're going to get from

him, I'm glad he left. I mean, this is ridiculous. Well, you know, I'm thinking that might have been directed at me because I had talked about living in red states versus blue states, and I felt like in the red states, at least people leave, you know, my personal business the hell alone, a little more the state does. So I was saying that in defense of living in what I consider to be a much more red place. But people have this idea that Georgia is a blue state now

because of that Senate selection. But the truth is, again you're looking at a situation where the two Republican candidates were both states up on corruption, really all up to their That's this shit when it comes in most states in the South and North Carolina's prime example of that. We've got a Republican legislature that finally got control a few years back, and they have found a way to

keep control of it. Prior to that, what the Democrat fulled this place for over one hundred years, we always seem to have a Democrat governor because we can't come up with a decent Republican to run. Now, this next election may be a change. But when it comes to federal government, you know, we used to have one Democrat senator, one Republican senator. Every now and then you'd end up with two of the same party. But here lately it's been Republican senators. So you know, do you go from the

state level to the to the federal level. You see, it's a different world when it comes to state politics versus federal politics. But you know, having lived in red states, I mean you've lived in North Carolina and Georgia, predominantly red states. Now North Carolina can be purple at times, but they're turning more red, right. But I just don't understand somebody living, you know, in the Upper Midwest thinks that, you know, where is

real America? So you can't get more real in Georgia. Well that's what I'm thinking. To get more real in North Carolina and the other thing, to get more real in California. Well, you know, California, like it or not, it is part of America. But but the thing is to me, it is a red stale thing and one other thing just real fast. The reason why I brought it out is because it's the state enforcement

that is at issue when I'm talking about this parental rights problem. It is the state and local enforcement that is my issue, because, look, the federal government can say whatever it wants, but if the state child Protective Services or your local school board is issuing decrees that you have to adhere to because otherwise we're going to use legal mechanisms to eat either take away your children or to punish you or in some cases jail you for not knowing what is supposed

to be the right thing. That's the issue I was talking about. And I feel like it is less likely for those people to crawl up into your butthole, okay, in Georgia and North Carolina than it was in Jersey, because it happened all the time in Jersey, not just to me, but people I knew where you had some sort of you know, snitch thing where somebody would you know, anonymously report on you, and the next thing you knew the police, the Prosecutor's office, child Protective Services, the school boards

involved. There are five six agencies that would descend upon you if you were seen as being a bad parent. Now, the weird thing is, if you lived in the right place, they didn't care. They ignored it. That's the weird duality that would occur right where Like, you know, you could beat your house to death as long as you were in a place that they didn't care about. But if you lived in other parts of New Jersey, you would have multiple arms of the state and local government descend upon you

personally. If you weren't making your kids go to school enough, if you had been witnessed by somebody and reported on for having used physical force against your kid, If you dragged your kid out of a place, even if they were in the middle of you know, doing something harmful or crazy, or they were drunk or stone if you grabbed them by the arm and yanked them out of their hert, you might be brought up on charges. You might

have the school board down your throat. You might have them mandating that you are medicated, you are drug tested because you don't control your child. And that's the government getting involved in that whole circumstance. And some people like it that way. I didn't, and I don't like it so, you know, philosophically, I understand where Krispy Kremas. We have another caller, Harlan was trying to get to something. But go ahead, be Pete and let's

turn it over to Yeah. Quick note to Harlan, I look up the law in North Carolina alcohol law enforcement has decided that and this is based on the statute that they will not enforce the twenty one year old requirement for purchasing cigarettes. They said they will leave any enforcement of that up to the federal authorities. So you have the stores put the signs up saying you got to

be twenty one. But in state of North Carolina, if a police officer catches you with cigarettes and you're over eighteen, by law, they can't enforce a violation. So I found that interesting. That's good. Yeah, it's a weird mix. It's a weird mix because they've had a bit of back and forth about this where you know, even with alcohol, if a kid gets caught with alcohol, in some places, it's treated as a nothing. They confiscate and that's the end of it, and they don't even issue a

citation. In other places, though, like in New Jersey, they literally have a you know, a law you can break and be charged with, and it's like a distribution to an underage person of alcohol or alcohol related products, and it's a charge. It's a yeah. They do the same thing here for alcohol. They kept it at eighteen for a while, but then

to get the Federal highway money. When the government said okay, well, if you're going to keep it, because this happened in Louisiana, it was eighteen for years, effort went twenty one everywhere else, right, Oh, same thing here they can get different contributing to the delinquency and distribution of alcohol to someone under twenty one, and they do enforce it. They do enforce

it quite heavily. So there you go. Some in some cases you have played and there are places that you know, do selective enforcement, like for instance, in North Carolina not too long ago, possession of cannabis at a certain level, they decided we're just going to issue you a basic ticket, not even arrestue. You know here it is it was a fifty or one

hundred dollars fine. In most places, that's what it begs. That's just you get caught with under announce under announce so they can get you for filonious possession. Yeah. For well, I think they start counting it as distribution if you get over a certain weight, right, But only if you have the paraphernalia for distribution, like if you have a box of baggies, or you have a set of postal scales or then they can get you for distribution.

But if you just get caught with an ounce, they write your ticket. I think it's one hundred and fifty dollars five, Okay, that's about what it was, like maybe a hundred when I left, some one hundred and fifty you know, inflation. But what's interesting to me is that that goes on. And meanwhile, like I said, in Jersey, though you could turn around, you could have half a joint in your ash tray.

You get pulled over for speeding, and the next thing is you could get they'll just stack charges and you'll wind up pleading to possession because they say, well, maybe you were trying to distribute it. You were trying to share that joint with the guy sitting in the passengers. That's how ridiculous they go

in certain places. But again, that was the sort of thing that happened under Christy, where the partially smoke joint in your ashtray could get you drug dealer charges in Jersey, because that's how he was encouraging things to be enforced.

Anyways, Harlan, go ahead and speak to this, and then I do believe we have Vance waiting on the phone, so I want to get to him and anybody else that calls in three one nine five two seven five zero one six plus we'll take a break at some point after I get Advance on. So go ahead, Harlan, put a cap on this for now, and we'll put you on hold and bring you back later. Okay, Yeah, I'm most say this. I'll let you go ahead and get Vance.

I was texting him reminding him, you know, about to show him he's got me on the list of like two other people, and somebody was coming back like, no, I'm not calling in and I don't know this number, and so I guess, you know, Lance probably all right. But you know, one of you know, Jimmy's comments about you know, not seeing America or you know whatever else. I think my problem is I've seen too much of America, and i'd probably have a lot different you know,

attitude on a lot of things if I haven't seen so much. You know what that I have. I mean, you know me personally, you know, I don't see a lot of these so called Red states is some kind of flagwaping, you know, utopia just because it's not California in Oregon, I mean, if that makes any sense. I mean, it's just like here in Colorado. You know, if you was in the right area, you probably lived just as good as life as you could anywhere. But

well, let me ask you. Let me just ask you a quick question to hit a nerve and let you get to the rest of your point, because I want to hit a nerve with a listener. Here in you know, Michigan, right, I hear people in Michigan describe it as a wholly different place depending on what part of Michigan they're living in. Where you know, it's a democrat utopia, it's a republican utopia. It's got lots of

freedom if you're a libertarian. I hear entirely alien descriptions of the state of Michigan, which I find really bizarre and pretty sure Jimmy James lives in Michigan. So I mean, do you have any personal views on Michigan or that part of the country, because it seems to me like you go to different parts of this country, you will indeed get very different experiences. But overall, I mean, they're kind of well represented by the blue and the red

spots on the map they show you. In general, I think good, bad, and ugly, all attached. But you know, maybe I'm wrong about that. Michigan is a weird place though, because again I know about five or six people that live there, and each one of them has a completely like you'd think they were talking about a different country from their descriptions about how things are run there, how things actually go, what real life is

like for the poor versus the rich. Everything. It's a very different universe of stuff going on in Michigan. I mean, is it just the strangeness of the Great Lakes? What do you think and what have you seen? Considering that you do, as a matter of course and your making a living travel around the country. Actually, I've not been to Michigan in a while now, Okay, I've never you know, made it a second home or

anything. But a lot of these states, especially the states up north, and you could count this for several states of the so called problem States, to the ones people, you know, bitch and complain about what happens. Is is, you know, like Illinois, for example, You've got the Chicago land area is basically running the whole state. And there's only you know, when you get all these state walls and you get all this stuff, you know, crammed into effect, there's only so much that the rest of

the state can really do. You see what I'm saying. And I think Michigan is you know, pretty much somewhat a victim of that too. I will Michigan, they're probably about five go ahead, Yeah, I was just gonna say real quick. You know, Michigan is as diverse as as people think of two people for Michigan. Jerald Ford, aunple Moore couldn't find two people for a little part there you go. There, that's the that's the deal. And you know a lot of you know, the states. It's

just like North Carolina for example. You know, like you take like over around Wilson and over there, like right there on the ninety five cor door. You know, it's quite a bit different than like over around Asheville, because Ashville has turned into some kind of blue liberal haven from what I understand. The last several years. Really. Well, it's like it's like most

lines. Yeah, Ashville is notorious for its its liberalness. It's if you look at the Durham, Raleigh, Durham Area, Charlotte, ASSHL, those are your three big municipalities, and that's where you have a lot of your Democrats. The rural part is solid Republican. That's the difference in I mean, it's it's that way in a lot of states. Your big municipalities are usually liberal. Your rural areas or agricultural areas or places away from the larger

cities are more conservative. It's it's like that in a lot of states. Yeah, there's a big difference between like North Georgia than like, you know, down where you're at you Yeah, I mean a certain extent. But I will say this. You know, it's like after this flashed election when Walker lost and who is the other guy that lost it? And both of them lose because both s the states was up for election, but camp Fall who was the other one? Yeah? Walker was the Trump pick. Yeah

he was. No, Walker was in Georgia. Yeah, yes, well that's one of Yeah, who was the other guy? Chuck? Which one the offs? You know, they had the two runner they had the run offs and the Democrats. Yeah, they had a jungle run off. There was there was like five people in the jungle runoff. Yeah, there was an extremely liberal guy from from the university area up there by Uh, oh god, what is the name of that? That area very liberal parts of

Georgia. What's the most liberal part of Georgia outside of Atlanta? B Pete? Oh that was Savannah, that's it. Yeah, yeah, the Savannah area, you know, academic guy who was running there was let's see, uh, the two main Republicans ran and they were one of them was a former I got to take a look at that who was in the jungle primary.

And the area of North Carolina I was thinking of that I really liked was Newburn, believe it or not, because that was the oddest sort of mixture of everything in North Carolina. I really wished I had been able to move to Newburn. Vp't. I don't know what you think of that, but it seemed like it was like the good area where you could get a little taste to everything at a Newburn like very diverse, like you you can.

But then again you get into Newburn, you start getting into some liberal craft so well, So any city of any size, you're gonna start seeing more and more of it in North Carolina. Yeah, let's stick to the in grace because I'm relan and I might get out anyway. I'll call back to the can, you know if I but they've cut iron for a little while. But the away grab man ark, you say what he's got to say? Right, Okay, Well, let's let's let's see. I'm gonna

figure this thing out and we will go to Vance next. I'm gonna put you on hold though, and if you want to come back all in, you're more than welcome. Uh, But let's get to Vance and see what he has to say about what's gone on in this discussion or anything else he wants to throw on the table. So, uh, van Archy, what's going on? Man? Oh? That a lot of I hadn't really heard a whole lot of it because I've been having phone problems for a while.

They're the stream because I normally just listen in while you NBPE catch up all that, you know, till I call in. But then it turned to just broken chat you know, take that and that you know would message with my phone and everything. So I only heard little bits and pieces and stuff. But you know, I heard enough about the points I was remembering from here. Hearing was you know, talking about the the or B Pete was saying, you know that you know, tell something changes or whatever. It's

through all this social engineering that they've been doing. It's like you know, which I'm just now talking about, you know, the perception of of of of what you know, party or you know, affiliation, red blue all that you know, and in states are like like you said about Michigan,

you know, got ted nugent to you know, Michael Moore. The you know, it's like there's no you know, they try to paint that and they and through their little you know demographics where they you know, divide up how many you know, according to whatever you know sources that they're getting these you know, numbers from them, you know, to establish that or whatever.

But the you know, I'm just curious. It's a big unknown is you know, how many people and you know, with all this transgender and everything else that or you know that that they're you know, over and over to this. It's like on TV they got all these watched a lot of car shows you know, on order Turn TV and and it's like there always has to be a woman that's involved in the crew and you know as part of the now they got like whole show as a woman. I'm not dogging

women or anything. I'm just saying, you know, it's obvious how they're you know, they're pushing this, you know, trying to you know, all the commercials. You know, you've got a black and white woman, you know, mixed families, and you know they're just going out of their way to to make this, you know, appear like they're supporting something, but they're just you know, basically causing more division that you know, problem

reaction solution kind of thing that we're now. You know, they're like b Pete was saying, there's hardly anybody's really you know, cares about the trans issue. It's not like, you know, there's this big movement of people that have felt so you know repressed and and held down you know by society.

You know, that is pushing this agenda forward. So hopefully it's getting so obvious that people will be able to just recognize it for it is what it is, and then you know, we can go ahead and adjust the system to be more you know functional and actually you know, something that celebrates humanity in human life and just imagine all of that. Let me yeah,

let me let me ask you something. I want to ask you something because your point of view will definitely be different than everybody else's so far that's been presented on this, So I want to get your take on something really quickly.

They'll be Pete. What you were asking about is there was a big run off of a bunch of candidates for those Senate seats at one point, and it it ended up pairing down to Purdue versus us Off and Leffler, Yeah, and Leffler versus Warnock. But you also had herschel Walker in there, right. Uh. Walker was like the pro Trump outsider and just he couldn't you know, he couldn't hold it together. I mean they picked him

apart. Uh, in some cases rightfully so and in some cases, you know, I mean he was he was a bit of an odd ball candidate. I mean, let's be honest, it was. It was an odd one. Yeah, Purdue was the one I couldn't think of, and I know he had a bunch of money back at him on that. Of course, he had some legal troubles, so that not too long ago too, But that was the one I couldn't think of was Purdue. And Leffler is like the wife of the guy who like owns the stock market pretty much.

I mean, that's a pretty good way to pair that down. So you had big, big money and then you had a bunch of big Democrat money poured in to get you know, everybody forgets about us off. We're seeing

warnocka out there already politically grandstanding, you know, already this year. I think he's not up for consideration again for a little while because he was what selected again in twenty twenty, so I mean he shouldn't be up to was twenty two, So he's not up again till twenty eight if he stays in office as a senator, right, But he's out there campaigning on like Biden's behalf. And Warnock was another guy with a troubled past and his domestic violence

and all kinds. I mean, it was just like a crazy event here, this weird runoff. And before that, they had something that I referred to as a jungle primary because they had this open thing where there was about eight candidates going for the two slots to be considered, and then it got pared down to those four running for the two Senate seats. One was a special election and the other one was the completion I think of a produced regular

term that happened to come together at the same time. So it was kind of a wild situation. And then people have really pointed to this as now George's turned blue because of these two guys. But really what it is is that the Republicans and the Democrats both put up some pretty bad candidates, and I think at the end of the day, the Republican candidates looked worse to Georgia than did the Democrats. As all. Well, here, it's like

Pat McCrory. He was the mayor of Charlotte for the longest time and he ran for governor and he won, and I mean he was a Republican in name only, so when he came up for reelection, he's one of these that claims his election was basically stolen and he's been going on about it ever since. He's also one of the guys behind this no Labels party. Interesting, I mean, that's the way it is in North Carolina. We get a Republican governor, we're lucky if we can keep him for eight years.

But when you get Republicans like Pat McCrory in there, whoever's going to run against them as the Democrats automatically going to win because they suck. I mean, they're just sorry politicians. And McCrory's more liberal than any Republican I've seen in this area in quite some time, but you know, quite soft. He couldn't just go away. Yeah. Some of those candidates, though, are usually like a compromise where it's like, look, we can't put in

the hardest core regular Republican. We got to give you know, you got to have somebody like the uh the more you know, people considered Clinton a more uh conservative Democrat for his time period, right where it's like, well that'll be more acceptable because we can say, well, well he was more middle of the road. I would say, more middle of the road than more conservative. Yes, but that's the thing is to get to the road. You know. Anyway, Well look at McCain, look at that Romney.

You know, terrible candidates, right right, So look back to what Advance was talking about though, because I interrupted him and I wanted to interrupt him on a key point that had to do with what he was talking about.

Uh, and ask him kind of the question that I sort of tried to put to both you and UH and Harlan before, which is this idea that I think it's the it's the fault of the nanny state liberals who have put into play this idea that the state should have supreme authority over parents' decisions. Now, in the case of you know, tattoos and this and that

andlah blah blah, people would say that's not as big an issue. But when it comes to this transgender thing, which BP points out and you Dvance would agree, is a a sliver of a minority as opposed to even being big enough to be a minority of people that are being focused on here as the interest group. Here's what I'm trying to pair it back to, though, is that in a lot of places, people think it's good or bad, and I think it's always bad to give the government the right to really

truly interfere with the parent's decisions regarding their children. And that was Krispy Kreme's position on that debate, is that, look, I think that and of course it's not realistic at this point in time because of what's gone on in the past twenty thirty years. But the truth is this idea that the state should not be involved, which is kind of ironic coming out of his police state mouth. Okay, that he thinks that, well, parents ought to

make those decision. This guy in no way thinks that anybody who doesn't have a badge shouldn't be making your decisions in your life. Okay, real simple. I don't like him for that alone. Forget about his corruption. I could forgive some of that. Forget about the fact that he's, you know, a disturbingly fat guy from Jersey. I mean, you know, there's

also sunflowers there too. There's probably just about as many. The thing is, it's not a big deal, but this idea that parents having supremacy as opposed to the government getting involved, I would think that advance, you would kind of be on the side of what Chrispy Green was saying, where parents ought to make those decisions. The government doesn't need to get involved. But there are plenty of people out there who would solidly disagree with me about that

that. You know what, the government has to step in, the government has to regulate these things because people don't know how to take care of their children, et cetera. Et cetera. So what are your thoughts on that? Where now you have the conservatives, who in my mind would have normally been on the side of leave government out of these decisions, are now saying for the best interest of the child though the government needs to be involved to

prevent these procedures from happening. I'm not saying that I'm siding with them or against them. What I'm saying is that isn't it odd that now the people who are opposing them are exactly the people who have built a thirty year track record of saying the Nanty States should make decisions, the Nanty States should take away your kids. The Naty State ought to punish you, find you put

you in prison. When you do anything to your child, do we disapprove of If you smack them, you're maybe going to prison because you might have attempted murder. You know, if you've done something else, you've exposed them to things that they shouldn't have been exposed to. It's now child abuse. You allowed your eighteen year old or your seventeen year old to drink a beer,

you need to go to prison. There are people that believe this, that think that that's the right way to be and those are usually on the liberal side. And now the battle is switched and now the government getting back in wild because on a local level, on a state level, like b Pete was pointing out, these are exactly the people who would interfere and intermix with your rights as a parent. So what are your thoughts on this.

I'm not asking for you to take a position even I just want to know what you think about this odd merry go round of Well, you didn't like the nanti state authority when it came from the Democrats, how about when it

comes from us, even if it is for the right reason. And of course the Democrats who want to force SSRI medications down the kids' throats, send them the psychological reevaluations and re education, who want to sit there and do damage to kids on their behalf because it's in their best interest a lot of different other ways, whether it's screwing up their brain chemistry or messing up their psychology, or justifying their bad behavior, or whatever else it is they're doing

on the Democrats side. Now you have it coming from the conservative side where the government needs to step in. Do I agree that anybody should be mutilating children, whether it's parents are not. Absolutely not. But here we go with this argument. What are your thoughts on that, because that's what I think came out when they pressed Christy on this and he said, well,

I kind of stand on the side of parents ought to have supremacy. I agree with b. Pete also not a realistic position, although it's a wishful one. What are your thoughts vance Well, obviously, you know, everybody knows, he knows I'm for you know, have the opinion that the government has been a nanty state and it's a you know fact, even been writing

about it since eighteen early nineteen hundreds and stuff. You know, it's been a nanny state for a long time, and that since that, you know, the keeper have been trained to look at the government as their you know, parental figure, and so they, you know, can push all these things through. But apparently, you know, even throughout the court, you

know, amending the Constitution and all that. I can't remember the you know, one of them a members fourteen thirteen something, you know, kind of basically made it to where everyone was now a you know, a possession you know, under the authority of the central government of the federal government, I mean, and which was never supposed to be the case. You know, all states had their own rights, and most states you know enshrined people's individual

rights. And obviously you have you know, should have control over your children. For you know, when I was in high school, you know, they didn't have a d D because you know, they had corporal punishment and so you got licks if you you know, acted up in class, which you know didn't keep a lot of people from acting up per se or whatever.

But you know, there was you know, there was some phrases you know going along that you know, I was a child of a basically a child was my dad was seventeen and mom and when I was born, and he was pretty abuse abusive and did a lot of things that you know,

several things. It wasn't like I was, you know, the you know abused on a daily basis or anything, but you know, he would get you know, pretty violent, and it uh, you know didn't necessarily stop me from you know, doing whatever it was he was whipping my ass about, but but you know it did affect how I you know, view you know, my authority against other people and all that kind of stuff. So you know, I guess I'm using my train of thought here a little bit.

But but the it's definitely the fact that they go. You know, when when I was in school, you know that you could smoke into smoking area and you know, they didn't nobody enforce any and you know rules and all that kind of stuff. And you know, my grandparents send me into the store to get you know, a cart and a cigarettes. They sell

it to me. Nobody cared, you know, And I'm not saying that's necessarily a good thing, but you know that, you know, if you're or wanting to, you know, you should you know, normally the you know, just the basic premises that you're only allowed to go so far, you know, as as a parent, and what you can allow or can't allow your kids to do. I mean, when I was younger, we could drink. You know, my dad would go to Mexico to to uh

Laredo and go to the Cadillac bar. And you know, we were twelve, you know, nine whatever years old, and you know he'd buy us of the rainless gin fizzis and you know, you could drink. You know, it wasn't like a big deal. If your parents gave me a couple of drinks while with them, you know, or whatever was in the the

world control of the situation. But yeah, there you go. But I'm just saying, but let me, let me make this point where I was going was but you know, that's a far cry from you know, allowing you know, uh, I have a grandson that you know is that they've you know, got into this. He thinks he's you know, transgender, and you know all this and and you know that's been fomented through these you

know, social engineering you know, things that they're putting out. You know, you know, he was all he's a real intelligent child, but you know who knows. He's not old enough to really know, you know yet, And so you know, there should be you know, you know, even within the existing laws that until the child is you know, sixteen or

or you know, whatever age. And at that point, even if for something like that to happen, they would have to like petition the court and go up here in court and say I want to have this, you know, no matter what, you know, something like that not just you know, make a law where anybody can do it anytime and don't have to tell their parents or and and you know, that's a fine line too, you know, with with personal privacy. But you know, up until some you

know, uh, standard age. You know, there should be some kind of standardized you know, just like it is now. Then how it's changed already from eighteen just smote to twenty one and you know all that right, No, exactly, And look as as we're gonna we're gonna go to a quick break here and I'm gonna take it a little over time. Whether BP six with me or not, it's up to him. We're gonna go a little overtime tonight because well, starting January sixth, once again, uh,

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I've got plenty of open lines for the next twenty minutes or so. But starting January sixth, we're gonna have Aaron Franz returning with the Age of Transitions at ten pm Eastern in this time slot. So that's the way that'll go. And Uncle will go off at eleven pm Eastern on Friday nights once again, which I think might be one of the only things that Jimmy James has heard tonight that'll make him happy, because I think he wanted to see the

blockup shows return to Friday. Plus, uh, there's active work going on for the DJ shows and stuff like that. Uh, so there's gonna be more live stuff and podcast joining Ohelly dot com as we roll into twenty twenty. So, B Pete, are we ready to let Jimmy James roll? Sure enough? All right, I say we do our best to say nothing because he was kind of unhappy in the chat room. So I say, we let him get off his chest whatever he wants to get off his chest

to start with, and see where it goes from there. And uh yeah, like I said, we'll get back around advance and anybody else three one nine five two seven five zero one six or reach out to me Charles dot o'celly on Skype if you ask me to, I can call you into the show. So, Jimmy James, I haven't heard from your fan club in a while, but since I just mentioned them, I probably will, now, how you doing. I'm fine. I hope my friend club nice fan

club as well. I hope so too. Nice guys. The two of them that I was able to interact with, there's two of them that I know of for sure. Wow, yeah, there's just one. No, for a long time, there was only one guy that talked to me, and he was supposed to start his Facebook page and I don't think he did. Uh. But anyway, there's two guys for sure, or at least it's two profiles on social media. How about that that appear to be different

guys. Two guys for sure part of the Jimmy James fan club. So anyway, all up to you, sir, open Mike, So it's on you whatever you want to say. Well, let's talk about perceptions. Remember a few weeks ago, I'll ask the same question you asked. I believe you asked the question something about what if we took the Jews out of the

minute least? Was that about right? I said, to theoretic, please, what about not if we took him out, but what if we withdrew support and aligned ourselves with those that are against them, as opposed to continuous continuing to align ourselves with them. Theoretically, would that have a different result? Would that have a more positive result for us? Or not? That was the question I asked, Yes, Okay, Well, I'll just to

take it a step further and say, I want you. I ask you, Chuck, what if we actually took every Jew out of Israel and gave them land in America? Do you think there would be peace in the Middle East? Uh? Probably not? I think exactly. Yeah. Now, now let me ask you the exact question and the reverse if we took every Arab out of the Middle East and brought them to America. God forbid, do you think there wippy peace in the Mid East? Check? Uh?

Well, I don't know. At that point, because that, to me is a way bigger problem like detaching people from detaching people from their land, right that are there on that on that scale. What if we brought them illegally, I'm not don't even pretend like it's a real thing. Just say I did it somehow magically. All the Arabs are now in Texas. Yeah, I'm trying to address that. If it was magically, if it magically

the Jews. So now only the Jews are in the Middle East, and I suppose what the Lebanese got, the Turk's way way up there, I don't know. Well, there's a lot of Yeah, they would still be do you still think there would be would there be war? Would there be peace? You know there would be peace? Just say it. No, I don't because no, no, I you asked me the question. I'm trying to answer it honestly, because here's the thing. Uh, taking all the Arabs out? Do you mean only taking the Muslim Arabs out? Or

do you mean taking the Christian Arabs out? Because there are significant populations of Christian Arabs believe it or not, in a lot of those places. So would you leave them behind it or no? They've been forced to flee. They ain't. They're no more chuck. They they're get forced to flee.

Many of them get killed. Most of them live in America, Okay, instance, for instance, Lebanon as recently as the nineteen seventies were seventy or eighty percent Christian, and now they're not any damn thing Christian like percent maybe gee, what happened to them? Well, a couple of years ago I was in touch with a handful of eleven Theese guys who were living here, who had lots of relatives there, and they were all Christians. In fact,

they told me. One of them told me a crazy story about their one uncle who had gotten beaten nearly to death, uh, because he was a Christian guy who had been given the name by his parents Mohammed. And then after they found out that he wasn't lying about it, they tried to correct this, but they told me this weird story about it, and also about their many more relatives that are still there and practicing Christians. They were

some of them were, well, they were not true. That was once eighty percent Christian is now twenty percent Christian because the Muslims chased them out, killed them, et cetera. Could be. Yeah, I could be. I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm saying that I just know that there is a population there still, But I don't know how large it is, how significant it is at all. I just know that there would have to be some left back. Like if you got twenty percent of that place,

and then maybe other percentages of other places. Would you remove all the Christians as well and make it only Jewish land in the all of the Middle East? Is that what you're saying would be the magical thing that happens? Sure? Why not just kick out the Muslims too, the only once causing problems? Near as I could tell, we theoretically, I could go either way. I think it could wind up in a peaceful situation if you remove the

Muslims entirely. But then again, I don't know for sure. There could be other groups that are not necessarily represented by religiosity that might have other ideas that I'm not fully aware of. To be honest with you, the Jews are pretty sophisticated society. They've moved on from bashing each other in the heads and killing each others. They have parliaments, they actually vote, They have systems of governments, whereas the two millions so called Palestinians, of course do

not. Okay, I want and you want to negotiate with the so called Palestinians. Who are you gonna talk to? Who's your partner in piece? Chuck, Yeah, that's a real good question at this time, because the alleged leadership doesn't seem to wield any power from what I can discern. So you are confronted it with what hamas and oh, what's the other one that controls the north supposedly at this point, what's the name of the other group?

Well, I'm thinking, uh, bonded by Iram. Well, the p l O, as far as I know, is really a toothless organization at this point, much like the Palestinian authority is pretty much toothless. And it seems to me as though the two organizations that we'll power currently, unless I'm misreading it, is Hasbala and Homas. Uh. Those two organizations seem to have uh political sway and sway over people and action, unless I'm misreading

it. Well, it's not political sway they of course. Yeah, there's a it's an open air jail, all right, just like the idiots say. What they don't seem to realize in their thick, idiotic skulls is that the tail keepers are their own people. It's not the Jews keeping them every day. Millions of those there are hundreds of thousands of Palestinians used to go to work every day in Israel. It's their own people that are keeping them

down there and keeping them poor. All this money that we give to them, to the Palestinians, all it does is from these tunnels, fronds, a caves, funds, missiles. It's getting a little old. Why I put these people who are terrorists on fire with an allied state and I'll get it. Okay. I don't know where that point was brought up tonight here, but I don't think it was. But okay, there's your there's your question, h b PTE. You got any answer for that? Or should

I go to go to advance on this? What do you think? Well? I agree with Jimmy on a lot of the issues that are going on in the Middle East and some where the problems lie. But you know, you take the case of Gaza. They hold an election hall, Mosket's bothered it in they run everybody else out of town take over the government. You know how much how much money has been spent from the U n on refugees given the Gaza that's just been turned around and used to create chaos in the

Middle East. It's it's a no win situation. But until you can get rid of organizations like that, no, you're not going to have any semblance of peace. You know, Israel Street of Rock and a hard place, everything, everything surrounding them wants to end their existence. So you know, they got to do what they got to do. But now I don't I don't see peace in the Middle East anytime soon, for various reasons. Does anybody know what the amount of USA to Gaza was in twenty twenty two?

By chance, I'm trying to find that and compare it to Let's see, it looks like we have different things going on fy and twenty twenty two hundred nineteen million dollars maybe is that? Is that? Does that seem accurate to you guys? Two hundred and nineteen million dollars aid to Gaza in twenty twenty two? Does that sound about right? He says here from the GAO that since nineteen ninety three, the US government has provided more than seven point six

billion in the Palestinians. And yeah, since ninety three, seven point six billion, and that's in the West Bank and Gaza. But that's through the US Agency for International Development. That's not county what the UN has thrown in on top of everything because of their special little ball FuG program that they have set up that only benefits the Palestinians. Nor the group in the world in

the history of the world has had an agency set up for them. You have two agencies in the UN. You have an agency for refugees and then you have an agency for Palestinian refugees. They're special people. So trying to find a total I don't even think the UN is going to be honest with how much they've spent. Okay, fair enough. I was just trying to look at a comparison between how much aid has been given to Israel as opposed

to Gaza, just just by comparison. I was wondering, that's all because I've got up the hold on a minute, Well, I'm just looking at monetary amounts. If we have, you know, a certain amount that's being given on one side and a certain amount that's been given on the other I'm just saying, that's just something there. You go giving and there'stional parody between the state and a terrorist organization. There's the perception thing I was talking about.

Okay, but this isn't about But it's not about perception. To me, what I'm looking at is, Okay, you're making the point that a certain amount of money was given to Gaza and repurposed for the tunnels and for terrorism. So I'm saying to myself, Okay, what is the amount of money on the other side that was given to combat that. Let's say, okay, what is the comparison. I'm curious because I'm looking at I don't

know, three billion dollars in the same time period. I'm seeing one hundred and forty nine million dollars going to one side as opposed to the other. That's all I was looking at, Not parody between the two things, except that they're both receiving funds from the US, right, I mean they are both receiving funds from the US. That is a logical comparison, isn't it. I would just said that we don't get cash to Israel Ukraine. Our aid to them in the form of military aid. I see well, let's

see. Let's see. Here's a little note according let's get this straight. Here, according who is this group I'm trying to there's a dollar amount here says the United States has been a major donor provided more than five point two billion through USA since nineteen ninety four. Okay, we said that was up to seven. Sure, there's another group that says the international community has sent billions of dollars an age of the guy's a stript of provide relief to more

than two million palace Citians living there. From twenty fourteen to twenty twenty, you and agency spent nearly four point five billion dollars in Gaza, including six hundred million in twenty twenty alone. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, aid to Palestinians total over forty billion between nineteen ninety four and twenty twenty. Jesus super married. See that's the thing, I really you look at the amount of money that has been spent there, and you know the

majority of it has gone out the door through corruption. And that's another thing too. You know, the Palestinians have these organizations that are supposed to be looking out for them, but the corruption is so bad. I mean, the guys that run Hamas live in I think they live in Yemen or are uh there's another country that they've also got property holdings in. These guys are worth millions of money that they have, you know, skimmed off the top

of all this aid. And I mean it's just it's just proof that you these people's own government doesn't care about them. It's just a way to make money and line their own pockets. It's ridiculous. And what are you billion dollars? So let me just ask both of you guys a quick question before I come back around advance. And this is just open question. You know,

this is me exploring this all right. I see headlines this week about the well we need to conflate anti Semitism with anti Zionism, that both are the same thing. Now do you guys think that that's true and correct? And is this House resolution that let's see palsy and right aificans the announce a Republican lead measure. Right, So there's this Republican lead measure that was proposed to basically declare that if you are anti Zionist, you are also anti Semitic

and you can't basically. Basically what they're saying is in my mind that you can't possibly object to denounce or criticize the nation state of Israel or the concept by which it is you know there, like, there's no way to separate that from you basically being an anti semi Do you think that that's true? I'm asking you, guys openly, Jimmy James, first off, I'll start with you, And do you think that that is a true and correct thing?

And this is a good resolution coming from the Republican led measure in Congress. Yes, it's a very good measure. It's one Jewish statement by your world. Why should we support it? And does this spill over here? Well, let's put it this way. Two percent of the American population is Jewish, and yet they account for sixty percent of the victims of hate crimes. There absolutely is a correlation. If people just happen to hate the US state in the world, it's Jewish, that's a little bizarre, it's a

little queer. On the other hand, there are forty some odd air of states, eleven of which are straight up religious dictatorships, and no one seems to have problems with those places. Oh, I'm an anti theocratic person all the way around. But so you see no problem with effectively, because I criticized, denounced don't want to support the nation state of Israel, then it's

perfectly acceptable to basically say I'm an anti Semite because of that. I think when this residue, I assume it was aimed at someone passive members of the government or act at the unia, something like that. It may be, but the general idea that these things should be equated here, you're all for it, is what you said. So I was just curious about that. What do you think of it? Yeah, well, let me ask you a question to clarify what you just said. You don't want to support the

state of Israel. Does that mean monetarily or support them as even existing? So you know, it depends on what you say. When you say you don't want to support the state of Israel, do you support their right to exist? Well, the truth is their right to exist is none of my damn business. Okay. As for what it is my government chooses to support, I think I have a right to say if I don't want them to support that, or Yemen or Saudi Arabia or any country in Africa. Name

it. If I don't want to be in supportive European nations, I think I have a right to state that and have a right to take away I'm getting you know. What I'm getting at is this though, if you if you don't support our monetary support of the State of Israel, no, that doesn't make you in any semi. If you if you don't support Israel because you don't think they have a right to exist, then yeah, maybe you are and Ani semi. So that's what I'm saying. It depends on in

what context that you're saying you don't support them. You know, we we provide a lot of money across the world for a bunch of ridiculous things. I don't have a problem with US monetarily supporting one of our allies. I mean, we send money to Germany, we send money to NATO countries we support No, we send money to countries that have said that they want to wipe us off the face of the earth. That's how stupid we are as a nation. So if you don't support our monetary support of Israel, no,

that does not make you an Aniseemi, not at all. However, in the past few years, you've had a lot of people make the claim that they're anti Zionists, they're not anti Jew. Well, I'm sorry. If you're anti Zionist, you're anti Jew. You know, you can't separate the two. Zionism is nothing more than the supporting the right for Israel to exist as a state. Now that you may have questions about the division of property and things of that nature, but it all goes back to when they

carved up the Middle East. Anyway, and I've said this before, nobody had a problem when they created Jordan. You no one had a problem when the countries of Yemen were created. Nobody had a problem when Lebanon was created. Nobody had a problem when Iraq was created. So you know, no, I'll give you a good example. Well, after World War two, Turkey, only basically after World War One, the Ottoman Empire was busted up, you had areas of you had groups of Armenians in the Turkish area.

After World War two, they had decided to give Armenia back to the Armenians, and Turkey said no, and they fought for what almost another two years to get that area back. I've not heard one person ever say to Turkey, no, you fought a war. You took over that land, you have to give it back, much like I've heard a lot of people tell Israel, yeah, you went thro you were as soon as you claimed independence, you know, for five states immediately declared war on you. You took

over land, Now you've got to give it back. I've never heard them say that to any other country under any other circumstances. We're starting to hear it now about Ukraine and Russia. But I've never heard anyone ever be accused of taking property illegally through war, except for the Israelis. Now, I

find that hard to believe. I don't understand how people have no problem with creating five Arab nations, but they have a problem with creating a Jewish nation in an area that historically the Jews go back to when dirt was created. Well, look, Zionism, to me goes well beyond just that very bland definition of the establishment of that state. There's a lot of other stuff in there that's discussed in that philosophy that goes beyond it. But I don't want

to I don't want to get into that too deeply. I want to go back to the other point, which is, look, I had objections to US funding Pakistan. Okay, it doesn't mean that I was anti Pakistani or anti Muslim. I felt as though we were funding a state which did not have America's best interests in mind. Regardless of this alleged partnership during the War on Terror, I thought it was a complete misdirection of money and I objected

to it at that time. Politically, that did not apply to me hating or having an issue with the religiosity of the people there, Okay, even though that might have been involved in part of the reason why they were not so pro American. That wasn't about their religiosity. It was about the political stance. It was about the behavior of that nation state that I objected to. I didn't think that we should be funding it. I didn't think that

they should be our partner in anything. And that was Pakistan. That's completely outside of the Israeli discussion. And I would say that funding certain things in Europe was a bad idea at certain points. I don't think that we should have been involved in a whole lot of stuff. So that to me is not anti Semitic Piano to say, look, well, maybe we shouldn't be funding them. Their right to exist is none of my business. It was like Turkey's right to exist, anybody else's is not my business. You go

ahead, good, Jimmy. See the big difference it is the history of the Jews, what they went through, particularly in World War Two. There's like fifteen million of them on the planet Earth at this point. They're a very unique case. What happened to them in World War Two, and it's not and they were four thousand years they were persecuted by Europeans. I think it's a good thing they had their homeland, okay, but we not just

Eufps. They've been persecuted all over the world. You know, you go back to win when Babbel, when Babylon went in there and just totally pull the whole place up, and then everybody went into exile. You know, you had Jews that were settling in different parts of the world, and you had laws. I mean, these areas would go out and effectively create laws saying to Jewish you can't do this, you can't be in this profession, you can't do that. I mean, they've been persecuted all over the world.

So it's the last exile. So you know, it's not just Europe, it's kind of everywhere. Well, much like people make the argument that black people have been the only slaves, which is absolutely ludicrous and ridiculous in history, I would say that there's been other people that have been genocided one way or another. There's lots of them, not too many of them. You know, there's a whole bunch of people that have been effectively wiped out.

I mean there's various Oh look at the maid Yeah, you still can't get Turkey to admit that there was an Armenian genocide. Other countries in the past few years have finally started recognizing it that you know, you look at that situation. We've not gone to Turkey and said, hey, you got to give Armenia back, But yet we're quick to tell the Jews that they've got to give up property to a bunch of Arabs that are living within their

borders, simply because they didn't like the land deal. Well, a lot of people didn't like no land deal with Jordan, you know, a lot of people didn't like the when they when they carved up when the French and the British and decided to go in there and carve things up, they created a situation where there's going to be perpetual war even if you removed every Jew from the area, because you've got so much tribal conflict that's been going on

over the years. They blatantly just cut up, they cut up areas that were predominantly one tribe or one group. And they've done it in every nation that they cut up, from Jordan to Lebanon to Iraq. It's crazy a situation for a professional war. You look at what happened in Afghanistan long before we got there, where the Russians got there. Uh, you have a similar sort of circumstance where you have nothing but warlords and a tribal situation that

Look at the Kurds. You've got the Kurds that are in Afghanistan, You've got them in Iraq, and you've got them through Iran scattered everywhere, no Kurdistan. Yeah, they've been scattered everywhere because of borders that were put down on paper by the French and the British years ago. You know, it's like Jami said, Lebanon was was created to have a Christian nation in the Middle East, and you had the p l O that got they were in

the West Bank when Jordan controlled it. They wanted their own countries. So what are they do. They try to kill the emperor and they killed one of the ministers and Jordans Jordan kicked them out. They go to Lebanon, create all kinds of hate and discontent up there, to the point that it's hard to find a Christian in Lebanon anymore because of what's been going on with the Palestinians, rabble rousing everywhere they go. Egypt doesn't want them in.

You know, that's the funny thing. People forget. Goz is bordered on three sides by Israel, but there's a border with Egypt, and Egypt's kept that thing closed until here recently letting in some humanitarian aid because they don't want to have to put up with them. Palestinians try to kill everybody that's in charge of anywhere that they're at. You're going to have a perpetual battle going on over there. Well, anyway, we've gone to the twenty minute after

mark and well actually we're at the thirty minutes after mark now. So look, I'll leave it to you, Bpete to come with a way to close this out. I think we let Jimmy say what he wanted to say. I asked a couple of questions, though I don't know how we got to the Palestindian thing, because I thought we were going to talk about the views of America there according to what was in the chat room. But I was

mistaken. Jimmy had something else he wanted to get out, and I think I'll let you get it out, Jimmy, yes or no, Yes, I bought something in the chat room, but I decided to just let that one go. Okay, let me ask you. Yeah, yeah, sometimes we just fair enough. Let me ask you a question that'll give us a

good pivot and maybe get us on out of here. This way we can go back around advance or anybody else that happens to be on the line, which looks like it's just advancing you, uh, and give Bep the final word here too. So this odd thing about Michigan that I take note of is that I know about six people in Michigan that I interact with. Talk to A and I'll include you. Right, you all tell me a completely different story about what Michigan is like. Every last one of you has a

very different view. It almost sounds like you're talking about different countries because of the diverse experience that you guys are having in Michigan. You know, and I take note that in different parts of America people have different experiences. I really think that that's true. So what is the deal with Michigan? Why is it that you know, some people will swear to me it's libertarian, it's Republican, it's democrat. It's too liberal, it's way too right wing.

I mean, everybody's got these totally different alien descriptions about the moral character, political setup, and the people of Michigan. And I'm not just talking about the difference between Detroit and like, you know, the more rural kind of parts of Michigan. I guess if that's what would you call that rural? I guess, well, the non city parts of Michigan? How about that versus like Detroit and I don't know Flint. Uh. But but I mean, seriously, why is it so diverse? What is the story with

that? Can you tell me? Yes? Go ahead, Michigan. If if the people had it their way, they would split themselves into three states. There's down State, then there's up North, and then there's the Upper Peninsula. Okay, uh, Dald state, they're flaming liberals. You move up, I guess there would be a libertarian match, and then you go into the up. Well, now you're talking about some serious, uh, serious conservative folks. Okay, So it's almost like you have three sections of

Michigan that are exactly as diverse as I'm saying. Where it's like somebody swears to me it's a libertarian place. Somebody swears to me it's totally liberal. Somebody else swears to me it's totally conservative. Depending on what section you were in in Michigan. They're not lying, they're telling the truth absolutely. Okay, fair enough, I wanted to know that. Thank you. So what would you like to conclude with tonight? Oh not I I'm sorry. It

was a good we can help us well. Appreciate you, Jimmy, and also appreciate that you don't always want to fight. That's a great thing. We don't have to fight over every single thing. After all, We could just decide to not take up every single fight. I wish other people did that more often because it might make for a nicer world. We have significant issues that we need to sort, but not everything has to be a battle, right, anyway, I like that call. I liked I liked how

Jimmy had a pivot there. He changed things and also informed us of a couple of things and gave us his point of view on something else. So that was pretty cool. Uh. Should I go to Vance next to me? Peter, you want to drop some some knowledge here? No, go ahead and go to Vance. Okay, fair enough, and then I want to turn the rest of the show like over to you to say what you want to say or close it out. I'll give you the final word on it after Vance has Uh has his moment here, Vance, you should be

back on the line, I think. So. I don't know if I put you to sleep or whatever cut you off prematurely, but you know, here we go, take your final turn at the mic if you like, I don't know, I can't start the this. You know, at the end of the story and justify everything. You know, you got to go

back and figure out. Like I say, there's a whole long history of you know, the Middle East and the Christian and Muslims, and you know Zionism the way I understand it. You know it has been around for a long time, and that you know they considered Alaska they considered the place in Africa. There was all kinds of places they considered, you know, where to create this you know state. And so you know, yes, you can be anti Zionist and not be anti Jew. There's lots of Jews that

don't support that Zionist ideology. And that it was like that, it was like the eighteen nineties. I think Man's right when that movement is recognized to have started, I think in the eighteen nineties something like that. Yeah, and so you know, the you know, I don't know how we can you know that, you know, America was supposedly you know, established on

the religious freedom and all that kind of stuff. You know, and you know, you can look up the definition of Holocaust and you know what's been going on in Palestine because they were you know, there was an agreement and they issued they gave so much land the Palestine, so much land to Israel. And you can look at the maps that are online now where Israel is encroached and encroached and you know, took took more land, you know,

justified and Jimmy saying that Hamas is the one that holds them hostage. A most didn't build the wall Amster didn't run all the checkpoints that people have to go through just to even go to the hospital in the middle of the night because they're pregnant. So they sit there at the checkpoint and have the babies on the checkpoint, or the baby dies because they don't get to the hospital in time because they got to go through all this. So you know,

no, it's not just that simple as they're saying. Hamas was created and foot and supported by the government of Israel. They helped establish and you'll find the ties to that and the buzz and brotherhood, and you're going to look to the Muslim Brotherhood and find out how the CIA was involved in making that an instrumental force, you know, because back in the nineteen twenties there wasn't enough Arab conflict going on to suit them, so they needed to you know,

create a group that's going you know, force some confrontations. So you know, we you know, indirectly, we flending a whole lot more than just you know, Israel and all that. And so you know, some people that are you know, military don't really want to you know, accept that fact, even though it's an open secret. You know, there's a lot to this advance. Let me throw something at you, and throw this to everybody who called in and everybody who is listening. I'm taking editorials verbal

editorials from people. If they want to run something about ten minutes, okay, with like a ten minute time limit on it, and they want to send me an audio. If you got something coherent that you want to lay out regarding say this issue or another one, something that you think is important, you can send it to me. I am assembling these short op eds that I want to start running okay on the network and maybe as many podcasts.

So here's the thing. If you wanted to assemble something on this and take ten minutes to break it down all the way uninterrupted, unimpeded by anybody, and send me that recording, or if you want my assistance to record your ten minute piece, contact me blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com. Send me your audio. If you can record it in MP three form, that would be best, and I will run it. If you send me

something coherent that makes an interesting point, I'll run that. I'll run answers to those if people hear them and say, oh, that pissed me off. He just said inaccurate things you want to answer it, I'll run answers. I will run op eds in a verbal form audio if people want to send them to me, or if you again want my help recording it, I will do that, not with me talking to you, just you talking

ten minutes, ten minutes or less. If you can do it and less do it and less ten minutes, make a point and go ahead and nail it down. Maybe we'll play some on the show. Maybe we'll just release some as many podcasts. Maybe we'll run them through the live stream and the replay stream. So there you go. There's an opportunity, and I could attach them to some people's articles that get submitted as well, or articles that

are picked up that are being run on the website. I'm looking to integrate this into a multimedia magazine type format at some point, also keep the podcast going, so both things will be happening. So dvance. If at some point you wanted to do a monologue about this, or if you wanted to do a monologue about anything else and you wanted to submit it to me, only you and six am I going to invite from the TNP universe to do this. But I've invited a bunch of people that I think are intelligent and

could make coherent points. And if you're hearing the sound of my voice right now and you think you're intelligent and have a coherent point to make about this or any other topic, please do contact me blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com. Send me the audio, and again, if it's coherent, decent sound quality, or I can work with it, I will make sure other

people hear it directly unedited. If you send me an unedited piece that doesn't require any editing, I would be more than happy to not edit what you say. Send it to me and we'll run editorials in an audio form. Does that sound like a fair idea of BPTE. Sure, there you go. And this way, you're not trying to force it into a couple of minutes on the call in show, or you're not frustrated in the chat room, or you're not sitting there going man, I wish I could tell people

this or that, send it to me. You got to identify yourself some way. You got to give yourself a name or have a name, and uh, yeah, let me know what I'm running And who knows, maybe I'll put some extra stuff on it to support your points, your references. If you want to send me references along with the audio, great, do part of my job for me, but send it to me blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com, and I will run your editorial pieces. Vance.

I'm inviting you directly. I think I sent you a text to this effect, but I'm inviting you directly, and I'm inviting Harlan. I'm inviting everybody, but mainly you know, I would like my listeners, my people to do this, But other podcasters, maybe I'll take some of those. Maybe I'll take some writers. I'll take some other people. I've only got Alan

Dale agreeing to do a steady one with me. But but you know, every month, i'm gonna be gonna be running these starting in January, so please send them to me, and if I get a bunch of them now, i'll start them in December. So anyway, Vance, I appreciate what you're trying to cover, but you're never gonna cover at all in one shot.

You also put a video in the chat room. I think. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna grab the audio for Yeah, it's about a video, I know, but anyway that's dealing with you know, some credible, you know indications that Israel, you know, was very involved in the creation of a mus And you know, since we live in a war economy, you know, war is good, so you know, yeah, to make sure you have a have a good you know, reason to be

having wars all the time, because you know, the military industrial complex don't make no profit if it ain't for that. So, you know, I'm so sick and tired of all this anti Semitism crap too, because the word semit means anybody in the of the the tribes descended from Seth or in it Seth or the shim Shim don't. So you know, all Arabs, Arabs, Muslims, they're all they're all Semites. They're all from the Semitic they're tribes. And so you know, if you don't like Palestinians, you're anti

Semitic. If you don't like Arabs, you're anti Semitic. You don't like Jews, you're anti Semitic. You know. But they've cornered the market on that and use it as a weapon to you know, shut down anybody that doesn't support them doing whatever they want to do whenever they want to do it,

because they have a right to exist. Well, you know who doesn't have a right to exist is the decides whether you have a right to exist or not do the Aztecs have claimed to come back and you know, take overall in North America because they they were here first, right, you know, so you know that's what. Yeah, it's a dicey thing. And look, I personally, I just have this problem with being told who I hate, because I don't hate any group of people. I just don't.

I can object to group behaviors, I can object to the nation state behaviors. Again, like I said, I'm not pleased with Pakistan uh and I didn't like that we supported them. I don't like that we did a bunch of things. I don't like that we bail out the banks here. It's not like, well, I guess I kind of hate I hate some people based on their occupations, their choices, the things that they do that are destructive. I think the banking industry has not done US any favors collectively,

you know, the majority of US. I don't think that the government should have bailed them out either. But but but here we go. My objection to US funding Israel is not about Budge don't like Jews. That that's not it. You know, why are we funded? I mean, Egypt is the second biggest recipient of foreign aid, I believe, and then Lebanons like right in there, and you know whatever you all talking about Gaza that doesn't even appear on the list, you know, that's on Wikipedia. I think

at all times we should question it. Yeah, I think at all times we should question all of this. And people were, you know, questioning whether we should fund Ukraine, you know, but aren't you anti war? Uh? Yeah, I'm anti war, but I'm also anti stupid and and you know what I think is strategically poor thinking. So I think it's a bad idea not to back up Ukraine in this circumstance. And that gets me in trouble too, you know. But here's the thing I'm thinking about this,

not as well. I like Ukrainians. I don't like Russians. I like Jews, I don't like Jews, I like Palestinians, I don't like Arabs, none of that. It's not about dislike or a problem with a group of people. It's about to me, what I think is you know, look, we got problems here. We ought to be straightening out as opposed to sending billions of dollars to a lot of other places. I think there's a whole bunch of funding streams that we could cut and not really lose

any sleep or strategic you know, advantage if we did. Now. I don't know if Israel is one of those places, but I'm telling you I don't like it. I don't like the behavior. I don't like a lot of the things that that government does, including the aggressive spying that they've done against the US. But you know, I'm not allowed to say that because now that means I hate choose. I don't like that either. So anyway, a lot of things I guess I don't like, and the world is

as it is. So sorry advance, But look, I think if you want to put together a whole thing about this, you could, and I'd be more than happy to just play it if you like, and be pete same thing. If you want to put together a ten minute thing that isn't interrupted by me or anybody else, do it. I'll run it and we'll see what other people have to say. Yeah, I will do that.

And I might let be Pete go and then pull in actually one listener who's in another country that might just have become available just to have a quick chat with him. Let him get his say in after I take a break here on the show. But be Pete, I know you've had a long day and i'd like to give you you know, I'm gonna put Vance on hold and give you the final word if you don't mind for this week. This week. Who whoops, I hit the wrong button and there we go.

Advances on hold now. But go ahead and be Pete. It's all you. The floor is yours, sir. Well, I'd just like to say thanks to everybody that called in Harlem, Advance and Jimmy and you know, the discussion tonight started out on one end and kind of worked into a wormhole at the other end. I think you could sit here and tell apart the Middle East situation from Shack before it was any of it was a country.

You know, everybody's got their own personal opinions on it. Just not liking some things that a country does does not make you automatically an anti semi somebody like I said, you know, some people have confused it too they used the anti Zionists as a way of getting away with couching their animosity towards Jews because their Jews. You know that we've had, we've had we've had groups

like that all over the world that are are being persecuted. You know, look at the Roma or the Gypsies in Europe and what they've been through. You know, look at the Armenians, look at the what was that the Tuccis and the Hutus going at it while the un was sitting there holding each

other's hands, trying to wipe each other out. Unfortunately, until the end of time, man is his own worst enemy, and there's always going to be people that don't like somebody else, either because of their religion or the color of their skin or who their daddy was. I don't think we'll ever be able to settle those differences. So we do the best we can and

try to get through day to time. And I agree with you, there are people that hide their hate in a allegedly political stance and that's all they're doing. Yeah. Truthfully, I've seen this lot where it's like this, a truly anti Jewish person, where it's just they have hate for them. So anybody who even has a remotely Jewish sounding name, they are clearly involved

in every conspiracy possible because they're Jewish. So therefore they have to be of this certain ilk, they have to go with this certain agenda simply because they have a Jewish name or Jewish sounding name. I've heard people do that on podcasts. I've heard people do that on radio shows, and I find it ridiculous, revolting, you know, assumptions about people. You don't even know who this guy is, but a Jewish name, so therefore, and I

never get that either. I don't know. And there are people that do it all the time. They justify their hate of Jews and they attack bankers, They justify their hate of Jews and they attack the nation state of Israel. But that's because they need to hide their hate in something else. There are people who can object to banking without attaching it to every Jewish person. There are people who can say I don't agree with our support of Israel,

and it's not necessarily because screw the Jews. There is other there's nuance here in some cases a lot of it, though, to be honest with you, it's a lot of people hiding their hate within that nuance, and that's revolting too. It's just like the people who hid their revolts against you know, the problem with the terrorists coming to get us right post nine to eleven. The truth is there was a bunch of people that were just hateful of

brown people. They really were. It wasn't everybody like the liberals wanted you to believe. But there were people who are like, oh, good, I have a reason to loose my hate on these people that speak funny, that are brown, that I don't want my country, et cetera, et cetera. Now I've got a justification. And that's what goes on with some

people. And it goes on with not just Jews, but like I said, with you know, Muslims, with Christians in some places, right, they just attach you to something because you're allegedly part of a group, or they think you are. And their hate is really easily revealed when you take a listen to their reasoning. But I just sit here and I say, well, I think there's a separation here. I don't like the way the

Palestinians have been treated by the State of Israel. I can object to those things and not take a side of well, it's because I need to hate the Jews, I want them exterminated. I'm not that guy. I don't want anybody exterminated. I don't think it's my business to be exterminating anybody. I don't think it's any government's business to be exterminating people. I think that that is one of those things we need to evolve beyond as a species.

But anyway, continue to be Pete, because your point is extremely valid. And even though you and I can slice this slightly differently, it's not coming from a position of hate. It's coming from a position of analogical And as much as I have supported Israel on the show in discussions in the past, I don't agree with all of their practices. I don't agree with some of the ways some of the ways that they treat or harass individuals simply because they

can. That's somebody just abusing the power that they have, and I've never been a supporter of that. There's a lot of things to work out. It won't be worked out in our lifetime. But unless the end of it, you know, comes crashing down and we didn't know what was coming, but you know, you can have these discussions and talk about the way that certain people are treated under certain circumstances or in certain countries, and it's a

legitimate discussion. A lot of people shy away from it because the minute that they the minute somebody says something negative about Israel, you've got those people that are rapid supporters that just automatically go, we'll be an Antisthemitic. You know, you just don't like the Jews. So it's not that I don't like the Jews, it's you know, people treating people a certain way, and when it's done under the guise of government, it makes it even worse.

You know, our country, our country has become very fascist in the past few years, even with the system that we have. The Israel's got, you know, the same, the same problem. Some of what they do can be looked at as being extremely fascist. But then again, look at these governing bodies in these Arab countries and you're looking at dictatorships or theocracies and and it's the same thing. So, you know, we're all guilty of certain things. We all have our our we all have things that we support

and things that we decry. Unfortunately, we can't all agree on those things. And the only way to work them out is to sit down and actually work them out. You know, you can discuss the Middle East situation all the way back to when you know sand was created. You know, what good does it do you you have the history of it. You've got two

groups of people that just have not been able to get along. One of them has decided we're going to do everything, do likely off the face of the earth, and the other ones have decided, we'll treat you any way that we feel we need to to save our position on this earth. And when you get to extremes, no matter what the situation is, when it goes to extremes, and those are the two things that you're dealing with,

you're never going to get it worked out. Extremism never solved anything from the Bolshevik Revolution to the Civil War. You know, you think about it. So, you know, I just appreciate everybody calling in and being able to give their opinions on things and not feel like they would be attacked for their opinion. I think we do that very well on this show, being able to discuss each other's positions and not attack each other for simply holding the position.

Anybody can explain why they believe in something or why they support something, and I think we do a good job of bringing that out. So I say we continue the discussions and over time, eventually things are going to go and we all learned something when we have these discussions, so you know, they're worthwhile. I don't think we should end them just because of the subject

matter. But you know, I commend everybody tonight for being able to have a decent discussion about things, and we just seem to continue that right And tonight was look nearly three hours. I planned on two and I was going to go twenty over. Now we've gone almost a whole hour over, so I'll leave it at that. B Pete, I want to thank you for co hosting this with me, because it's not easy to do this, to try and juggle and you know, have reasonable discussion, especially when people get

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Go there, save yourself from ignorance, O Shelley dyn. So I go to a segment number three here on the Friday night call in, and I wanted to let Ray from down Under we'll call him, often seen in the chat room as the Ford Freak, and we still have Vance on the line. But Vance brought up a video clip which I guess is six minutes in length. I have no idea really what the content is, but it looks

like I can just play this video clip. So I'm going to do that and you guys can listen in and we shall see what we get here for the after effect, which I'll just leave attached to the podcast for tonight. So yeah, with no further ado, I'll kill my own mic and play this piece which is apparently from the intercept, which by the way, I'm a little little leery of the intercept sometimes, but they also do make some

good points in their stories, pieces, videos, et cetera. So let's find out if they did so with this six minutes worth of video we're going to listen to. Now, the Palestinian militant group Hamas has carried out brutal acts of terror against these Radi civilians, and Israelian American leaders are always keen to tell us how dangerous and evil Hamas is inhumanity of Ramas. I have no sympathy for Hamas. They keeps shelling is well thousands of rockets and motors.

But what if I told you that Israel helped create Hamas. Officially, Hamas, which is the acronym from Arabic phrase meaning Islamic resistance movement, was founded in nineteen eighty seven, at the start of the First Palestinian Intafada uprising against the Israeli occupation, but its roots were planted much earlier. The Hamas founder, schechh Ahmed Yassin, was a half blind, disabled Palestinian cleric and

member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The brotherhood had been repressed by the Egyptians in Gaza prior to nineteen sixty seven, but once the Israelis invaded and occupied the Strip. They didn't just turn a blind eye to these Islamists, they encouraged them. See, the Israelis, especially right wing Israelis, wanted to undermine the power of the dominant Palestinian political force at that time, the nationalist plo at the heart of which was the secular Fatar Party of Yasa Arafat. They're

Bete Noir, Sakuni Fiedi repub dupri at it their euro Fiedi. By empowering Sheik Yasine and the Muslim Brotherhood, Israeli leaders thought they could divide and rule the occupied Palestinians, buy them off against each other, secular nationalists against religious Islamists. So in nineteen seventy eight, when Yasm wanted to officially register his Islamic Association, which was basically the precursor to Hamas, the Israelis were only

too keen to help. Yassin built and grew a network of Islamist social institutions across Gaza, including schools and clubs and mosques, and Israel helped fund some of those projects. Most American politicians have no clue about any of this, although the former Republican Congressman Ron Paul once made this point on the floor of the House. Tammas was encouraged and really started by Israel because they wanted Tamash

to color act. Yah Sir Arafare Arafat himself told an Italian newspaper quote Hamas is a creature of Israel. He even claimed that former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin admitted as much to him, calling it a fatal error. Now you might be wondering why should I believe mad Ron Paul or the famously shady Yasa Arafat. Well you don't have to. You can believe top Israeli and US

officials who've basically owned up to all this. Brigadier Yit sak Segev, for example, who is the Israeli military governor in Gaza, and later told the New York Times reporter that he helped finance the Islamic movement. The Israeli government gave me a budget, he said, and the military government gives to the mosques. Colonel David Hakam, who worked in Gaza in the late nineteen eighties as an Arab affairs expert in the Israeli military, has admitted that the original

sin was Israeli support for Yasin in the late seventies. But at the time, he has argued, nobody thought about the possible results. Well, Avna Cohen did. Cohen was the Israeli official who was responsible for religious affairs in Gaza for more than two decades life, and who now says quote Hamas,

to my great regret is Israel's creation. Yeah Cohen's words. He actually wrote an official report to his superiors in the mid nineteen eighties, warning them not to play divide and rule in the occupied territories and calling on Israel to quote break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face. But no one else on the Israeli side really took the possibility of blowback seriously at that time.

They never do, do they. Hamas has since killed far more Israeli civilians than any secular Palestinian militant group, and its leaders have been pretty viciously anti Israeli and even anti Semitic in their rhetoric, and sky A Scene would eventually be assassinated by an Israeli strike in Gaza. Chech Ya Scene and its organization, the Hamas, are responsible to the killing. So more than four hundred Israelis. So the question shouldn't be why now, I think it should

be why not before? Why not before? Well, because before Israel was actually nudging and winking at Yasine and co building them up as a rival to arafats Fatah. The die was cast for blowback, both back incidentally that they decided to double down on when they assassinated Yasine. You can hear the clouds chanting for Hamas, and any idea that this operation would actually suppress or diminish

that organization seems to be ill judged. And the inconvenient truth is that Hamas is in part a creature of Israel's own making, an enemy that Israel spent more than twenty years helping to build up, and then spent the next twenty years, the past twenty years, that is, trying to bomb, besiege, and blockade out of existence. The three Guards of wars fought by Israel against Hamas since two thousand and eight killed around two thousand Palestinian civilians and a

dozen Israeli civilians. That's the real human cost of blowback. David Long, a former Middle East expert at the US State Department under Ronald Reagan, told journalist Robert Dreyfuss. I thought the Israelis were playing with fire. I didn't realize they'd end up creating a monster. But I don't think you ought to mess around with potential fanatics. It's a lesson both the Israelis and the Americans never seem to learn, though, and as usual, innocent people in this

case, Palestinians and Israelis continue to lose their lives as a result. There you go, that's the segment from the intercept that was submitted in the chat room by Vance. I believe anarchy did that. So Vance, there's your piece. And we also have prey from down under with us. So well with you, Vance, because I think you have somewhere to go or something, So go ahead. Yeah, I got to get to Walmart four eleven

o'clock, so I'm on my way. I'm in the truck. So I apologize if there's any noises or whatever, but no, but yeah, there's you know the you know that in my opinion that you know, Israel was created to be a thorn in the Middle East. There's you know, lots of periods of time were even in you know, Palestine for you know, hundreds of years that people lived in relatively in relative peace. You know, Muslims and Arabs and Christians and Atheists and everything, you know, for the

most part got along. And and you know so they just like we funded al Qaeda to you know, help you know, go against Russia and all that, and then it turns into isis and and you know, so on

and so forth. So you know, there's there's very little question at this point in my mind that you know, you know, war's the racket has been established a long time ago, and so yeah, they're going to create you know, all the the victims that they need to justify what they need to do, and and you know, I'm just pretty disappointed and in the you know, the ability of the average even being on the earth and to not be appalled by what's going on, regardless of which side you're on.

You know, it's you know, you know bombing. You know, Gazas is destroyed now, there is no they have no homes and businesses and anything left. And you know how many times have they been through that over and over and over. So you know, there's there's there's humanity on both sides, and you know, a lot of it doesn't come from the government. It's just like Max Egos and the thing, it's not like everybody in America, you know, wants to go to war with Russia or with China,

or everybody and and and Israel wants to go to work. You know. That's the governments, you know, and enforcing their policies to benefit their corporations that you know, keep their economies going. And if it wasn't for all this military spending, we'd be gone anyway. And then on top then you know, as a side effect that it just adds to the inflation and everything else. All these you know, billions and trillions of dollars we've spent blowing

stuff up and rebuilding it. And you know we could have been you know, think how many dams and bridges and hospitals and you know, good things we could have done with that type of you know effort. Now, look, I don't object to a single thing that you were saying there, you know, when it comes to this philosophy of like why in the hell is this an acceptable use of funds as opposed to all these other things that could

be done while we're told that there's not enough money for this. That the third thing you can't possibly, you know, give people access to healthcare for real, You can't actually do this. You can't actually take care of people here with all this money they print. You can't do it with resources here because we don't have it. Well, we have plenty of resources to give to plenty of other places, not just Israel, but I mean the billions that we give there yearly, but I mean other places. Is this all

absolutely necessary? You know? Again, I'm not somebody who is unrealistic about the fact that there will always be conflict. We will have to do things strategically because humanity has not grown out of its rock throwing phase. True, But is this all necessary? Is this all the best idea? Anyway? With all that having been said, I'm gonna just put you on hol advance and we're gonna you know, that way, you don't have to worry about

your noises or whatnot. You can hang out for a bit. But Ray, you wanted to get in on this as well, so I want to give you time to speak. Yeah, thanks, Chub. In my opinion, war is the ultimate crime against humanity. It doesn't matter which side you're on, why you're thought, or anything else. It's killing of humans. On mass that's against humanity. I think you and I have this similar idea that look the way that you know, I realize people say it's necessary,

it's in our nature, all this stuff. But you know the truth is that when you talk about the idea of war, it's just one way or another of justifying what is going to be murder. It's going to necessitate that people that are not in uniforms, that didn't sign up, that didn't agree to be part of whatever the conflict is. It's a guarantee that they're going to pay for it with their lives. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's a guarantee of mass murder. You directly say that,

and it's a justification no matter how you slice it. Oh, we had to because of we had to because they were coming for us. We had to fight them over there so they didn't come over here, et cetera, et cetera. To me, and the people that were making those decisions live in the same conditions as the people never never, never never. It's not just a matter of Look at the congressmen and the senators who don't send their own kids to military conflicts. Mostly mostly some do I know that,

you know some do you want to go for. You know, Joe Biden sent his kid, Okay, okay, whatever. But at the end of the day, the majority of what they have to face in their personal lives, what they will lose, what damage they'll suffer, is mitigated heavily by the fact that they usually make insider trades. They make money off of this one way or another. Whether they get a good job at rape or whatever it is that you know, Nikki Haley comes out of the un and goes

and gets a good job at Boeing. I think it was right, you know, whether they get that, or they get stock options, or they get direct payoffs, or they get lobbyists took them up one way or another, they financially benefit off of the blood of mostly others. I mean it sounds like props to me, doesn't it. I mean, you know, maybe I'm wrong about that, but ray continue on? What else do you

want to say? No? What comes down to I guess it's like a religious four kind of Back in the eight eight hundreds, there was a church, and if I'm not mistaken, there was a church in Jerusalem that had all three religions in the one building, praying together. If it could be

done before, why can't it be done now? Well that's interesting too, the idea of what they call ecumenical religious gatherings right, which ecumenical effectively translates to, you know, what is on what is in the world right where you get representatives of the major population that's going to be listening to it one way or another. They used to have an ecumenical roundtable on radio in New

York. Uh. They've had ecumenical gatherings where you'll see, you know, in a mom a rabbi and a priest come together with others sometimes you know of lesser religions in number anyway, who will come together. By the way, that's not the only three choices on the planet, just so you know. But I mean, there are points where people come together and say, look, you know, we're all searching for this connection with a higher power, with an idea that is outside of ourselves, that is above us.

And we may do it in different ways, but aren't we all at least part of the same thing. We're all part of the human family. We're all in search of that honest connection to that higher power. I mean, it seems to me like religion could easily be more used as a unifying principle as opposed to the division that it is utilized as. At this point, it's it seems more logical to me to make it a unifying principle. What are your thoughts there? Well, I do use it as a unifying principle

to gather numbers, to gather numbers. But then then and then point the finger at the other religion in the site, say that I think different to us. See, that's the otherization, right, which is useful in politics. It's useful when it comes to social issues. It's not you know, look, this is us, this is them. Now, why do we need to combat them? Why do we need to eliminate them? Why do we need to And it may not be a emination. It may be we need to suppress their way. We need to stop them, right, I

mean we need to separate them. Good, Why can't we understand them? Mmmm? Well, why not seek commonality? Again? You know this idea like I said that phrase the human family, I borrow it heavily from a couple of people. But the truth is, I believe in the concept that we're all fairly close to related one way or another. You only go back so many generations. Guess what happens, uh, you start crossing. So in reality, we're all physically related to one another in a way. I

don't know if it's you know, necessarily exactly in the biblical sense. Like some people say, you know about how there was you know, the great flood, and therefore there's only this little slavery ahead somehow. Yeah, although you know, Cain went and found a wife somewhere else, according to the only ones created by good Yeah. See, I don't think so. But I get myself in trouble when I say that to Christians, you know, And that's the oddity here. But anyway, this is all debates about things

that are unproven that you take on faith. Why is it do you think that people have this inability to take on faith, that commonality, that common cause to look toward one another? And like I said, see the commonality. You know, we've all got to eat, we've all got to have water, We've all you know, most of us care about the future generations that are going to be here after us for the most part. Why is it that we can't come together you know with that old you know, I

know it's all very trite and overused and all that. But those concepts that came out of the mouths of people in the nineteen sixties. And I don't mean the hippies. I do mean the likes of John Kennedy, the likes of Martin Luther King, the likes of various people who are not perfect human beings in any way, shape or form. But who said, you know, things like we're all going to breathe the same air. We're all on this planet, whether you know you ascribe to a certain political belief or system

or whatever, that's not the relevant thing. The relevant thing is we're all stuck on the same rock together, and we've all got very similar problems. Yeah, yeah, I gotta quite sticks on this one. Why can't we just all get along the Rodney King had for us? Yeah? Sure, you know that's where that that comes from, right, I mean, I'm not trying to act like from six okay, from six. Well, it's it's a callback to Rodney King, you know, the Rodney King thing,

right? Yes, not either Rodney King thing. Okay, some guys in Australia don't know that. You know, things like that in America that happened I assume you're smarter than that. But I I never want to assume somebody knows something unless I'm sure. But for listeners, in case you're not familiar,

you know, we had this thing called the La Riots. It was kind of a rough thing that emerged after some cops were let off after beating Rodney King nearly to death the magic baton theory, where you know, it took ten guys to beat him down in a high speed chase in this little

car he was in. All that, okay, Anyways, Rodney King comes out and basically in the midst of La burning up and you know, descending into absolute chaos and fires and riots and looting and all that, Rodney King goes on TV and basically boiled his whole statement down to that can we just

all get along? A guy had been nearly beaten to death, you know, by the cops and all that had been a symbol that really led to those riots, comes out and says that it's interesting, that's for sure, but anyway, almost like it was done on purpose to create a right. Seems that way, doesn't it. And that's back in the days when we didn't have, you know, video cameras in our pockets either. Somebody had to lug around one of those big video cameras to get that tape. And

there's a lot of weird questions about how that got out there. But yeah, go ahead, go ahead, ry Oh cam cord is back in the day when exactly cheap. They weren't cheap, they weren't easy to hide, and you couldn't hide them, you know. So anyway, anything else that you want to add here, Sarah, I want to you know, I don't mean to be rude at all, but I want to close this one out with something so and I want to give Advance a chance to say something

also at the end, if he's still there. But but you know, go right ahead. The floor is yours. Now we can close out, but you get some sleep back the half sick there you go. I appreciate that. And you know, from from eighteen one hundred to eighteen sixty, by the way, there were churches in the United States that apparently did this. There was multiple ones. You mentioned a church, but from eighteen hundred eighteen sixty there was this idea of bringing together first the well, there's a

gunshot right outside of my house. Did you hear that? I didn't hear it. Wow, that was pretty loud, and the dogs are barking. I'm gonna have to go check on things. Yeah yeah, check that shit out, man, I'm gonna have to because that was like enough that I felt the rattle in the floor. Somebody fired a shotgun really close to my

house. Anyways, migrants and all that, they carried different religious beliefs into it, and this unifying principle that was first introduced bringing Presbyterians let's see a majority concept geographical region beyond the settlement. Anyway, there's an interesting story to that where there was this attempt to unify various religions which did later include Judaism, not Muslim, but various types of Christianity which were quite diverse at the

time from eighteen hundred and eighteen sixty and then it's sort of evaporated. And I wonder if the Civil War here, which was supposed to be a political thing and over slavery allegedly, I wonder if that has anything to do with it coinciding with the end of this episcopal you know, Presbyterian slash everybody trying to get together under this idea that they could be unified under the higher power concept. I wonder if that was intentionally destroyed, you know, just like

the you know, unifying the people against the elites. No, that wouldn't be destroyed, No, not at all. Anyway, Vance, let's see, let's get you back in here if you're still there, and let you have the final word. Vance. Hello. Hell yeah, Man, I've said before, and this is you know my mind. You know, no, man is my enemy. Only ideology my own hands, and is in me. Love set me free, Love set me free. So you know,

it's like we need an evolution, not more revolutions. And so you know that, you know, we're all born as human beings and and you know that's the basis of religion. There should be a human religion. And you know they're they're all religions are basically cults. You know, the government's a cult, the army is a cult. You know, it's all cultism,

you know, to whatever degree. And you know, the the technology and things that we've been able to develop and everything we're supposed to free us from, you know, all this type of stuff, and war's supposed to

be obsolete. And you know, you know the what's his name, uh Buckminster Fuller, you know, you know, there's there's this ideology has been around for a long time, but it gets repressed because there's no profit you know for the corporations which basically control the world, and and so you know, they don't want us to have a system that is you know, fair and equitable or with you know, whatever adjectives you want to put on that

that benefits humanity as a whole. If there's no profit, you know, it's like why why why, Well, we want free energy, you can't charge people for free energy? Well, you know why, why why do we need to charge people for free energy? You know, everybody needs energy, everybody needs you know, gasoline, because we didn't develop this system that is you know, based on and run you know on petroleum and all that kind of stuff. But we have to you know, pay the price for

it. And so you know, they're you know, once we can start taking the profit out of war and controlling human resources, well then maybe we can have some peace. But as long as there's profit and controlling human resources, you're going to have people they're going to figure out a way to control it and make as much profit as they can, because that's what corporations do. They exist to make profit, not to make peace. That's it.

And you know what, if it wasn't for the pain of survival and the prospect of scarcity, combined with the overburdening of people with various ideologies, there just might be no reason for us to kill one another any longer. Anyway, no matter who you are, where you are, when you are, remember I'm merely o'celly, all of you are indeed the effect. Thank you Vance, thank you Ray, thank you Jimmy James, and of course let's see Harlan and uh well, all of you for listening. Be Pete as

well. Have a good night guys. B Pete, definitely B Pete. Big thanks to