The Ochelli Effect 12-01-2023 Open Mic

You. Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and listeners like you Now and Now, Grated Noise and Omnia Check December one, twenty twenty three, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and I bet if you're a regular listener to the show, you can hear already that I have been under the weather and still am. But we're we're dragging me to the mic tonight. We're gonna make sure that we do a show. My co host Bpete is with me. If I didn't have a co host,

I would have bailed on this one as well, because screw it. I can barely talk. I've been suffering from fevers. I'm pulling things together and trying to keep it going so off the top, let's see how we can do this. You guys could help me out by calling in and doing the talking, but because you haven't heard from me much this week at all anywhere in any ways, they perform also had internet down and all kinds of problems too. But anyway, all this stuff going on, uh, it feels

like odd and fun timing. And by the way, I'm not the only one who's sick. But we'll get to that. Actually, funny thing is I got a report from somebody who was at the conference who is you know, very much in line with the regular sort of Corona reality, and they went and got themselves tested. They are positive for the for the rona and all that kind of thing after the conference. But okay, so could be that that was traveling around at the conference. I guess mister coffing Man didn't

just give us a cold. Be pete. Anyway, I need you guys to call in and participate, otherwise we'll run this We'll run this thing short tonight, the hell with it, because yeah, still not up for it. But next week, whether I'm up for it or not, I have to make this show roll. I had to delay everything this week because I just you know, two out of it jacked up fevers, pounding headaches. There was no way I was gonna think straight, do a proper show,

or do anything correctly. So it didn't get done this week. But we're gonna put out some podcasts. I got another if you're a rated Why listener, I got a Rated Why coming up. I've got a bunch of stuff that needs to get out there, needs to get done, and December is when we're gonna heat it all up. So let's roll it, because twenty twenty four is going to be a big year on ohlly dot com one way or another. Anyway, your help tonight with this show. You talk three

one nine five two seven five zero one six. That's the number to call. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six. You join us, You become the show tonight, because I dare say that even though be Pete might be in slightly better shape than me, I don't think it's that much better because, uh, my understanding is you might have suffered over this ten day period, is well well, and I barely have any news on

my mind outside of what George Santos got him self bounced finally. Huh yeah, so that's interesting, interesting politicking there in Congress maybe, and what the network TVs are doing with it is funny. But outside of that, I haven't cared, haven't looked. I mean, we could be involved in a new war and I would not know it, but the shape I've been in this week, so hopefully that's not true. But then again, the way things go, even if it was reported or wasn't, it could or could

not be true. What was that oh right, rumors of wars and wars of brumers always going on. Are we at war with Oceania? Does Oceania exist? By the way, is Eurasia at war with us? Are they the enemy? What time is that minute of hate? Yeah? Why not? We could go there nineteen eighty four New World, Brave, New World, that is, mix them together, throw them in a pot and spit them back at you. Maybe not nine five two seven five zero one six, or reach out to me Charles dot Ocelli on Skype. I will drag

you into the show. But otherwise three one nine five two seven five zero one six, join us, b Pete. I turn it over to you, my brother. What is on your mind? What do you have to say to open the Friday open mic? Well, since we've heard from the whib side of the the man Flu, you know you just guys like you chucked that. Let's women give us a bad name about overacting when we're six.

Oh. Now, I've had what you've had since we well since Monday when I got back after dropping you off and I told you it was coming, and you're like, uh, I'm fine, no, no sniffles, just my throat that was from talking I'm okay, and see what came back to get you. It did. See, it had to give your body and grow, and the virus just had to multiply enough to walk up to

all of your tea cells and everything else and basically sucker punched them. And now you're dealing with sievers and headache and aches and pains, and it didn't help. Your back was hurting on top of it. Let's see, I went to work all week, all week long. Yes, went to work feeling like crap. So I don't want to hear any complainting, none, not any Wow, you want to cut it short, we'll cut it short. But we got a few headlines we can go over and toss it around.

I'm feeling al of a lot better than I was last Friday, So okay, Yes, there is a tunnel. You just got to let it run its course. Yeah. Well, look, you started feeling like crap on Monday, and you were blaming me for giving it to you, and I said, wait a minute, I'm not in bad shape. Matter of fact, I was okay. I started to you know, my throat was hurting, but I should I breeder. See, you was fresh in your

system when you gave it to me, and that zapped your strength. He had to cook a little more, and he had nobody else to give it to except those in the household and the dogs, and boom, see it caught up with you. So no matter, no matter what I say, it's going to be my fault. Right, Well, you know, if Frankie got sick for like two days, boom, he's better. I mean you know that that that's what happens when you don't plunge a bunch of vaccinated

crap into him. Huh uh. Yeah, so he's okay. But uh no. And I got reports from others that they that they had to actually, you know, tested positive for the rona afterwards, and I'm like, oh, bo but this this ain't rona. I've had rona. This a. This is the flu. This is just a common variety of flu that goes around. And somehow the one strain that would bother me happened to end up in Dallas at the same time I did. Yeah, that I don't

have had in centuries. The last time I had anything that was close to the flue was after taking a flu shot, and that was the last one I've ever taken. I've never taken another one. I've never had a problem to this year. So this is going around the creeping crad. Everybody's getting out. It wouldn't surprise me that the RONA did make the rounds. That

was a lot of people at that hotel. Well, I still say it's that guy who was outside with us though, going Oh by the way, I'm sick and leaving, but let me talk and cough on you for a minute. Anyway, I still say it's that guy. That guy's fault right there, that's who did it. Seriously, he could have got it from somebody else there and aim after being there one day, I've had this stuff hit me. When I took that flu shot. We took it like seven

thirty in the morning. By five thirty that night, I was just like I am now, nose running, like to say it, coughing like hell, fevers, chills, I mean, the flu, aches and pains, no doubt about it. And you know they tell me, you know you can't get it from the sean. It's a coincidence that you caught it at the very time that we gave you the vaccination. Okay, whatever, So do you know how this is? I feel great compared to last week. Last week, I was feeling bad. I mean, I sat here through

thanks and thank god there was football honor. I'd have gone absolutely crazy. Yeah, but you are right. I am the wib site of the You know what, when I go down, forget it. I'm down. That's that's it. You know, let me sleep is pretty much where I go. And you know, it used to be that I got over things quicker than everybody, but now I'm getting old now, so it doesn't work that way. When I was in Switzerland, I caught a brand of the flu

over there that was kind of unique. But I didn't catch it until everybody else in the house had gone through it. And when they went it, I thought they were going to die. It started with a sister, and then the sister's boyfriend, and then the other sister, and then the mom and then finally me. And when I had it, nobody else had it. They were completely over it. So I had to start listening. She's my girlfriend was from Great Britain, so I had to start hearing about bitching

about the man flu. And I thought I took care of every one of you idiots for the past two weeks while this thing made the rounds and you can't even give me two days to feel bad. Screw you sound like, yeah, well no, there's a worldwide where is a worldwide effort to make men feel guilty to being sick. And that's where all this man flu crap comes from. Old man, they were were at where they just sick that you know, they're just they're worst. Now that's bullshit. Okay, I

thought that's what you were saying about me. Meanwhile, we do have a caller. You are a perfect example of why women complain about man flu. You got to fight through it, you red bull or you know, drink more coffee. Maybe that's the problem. You don't drink enough coffee. Don't drink enough CoFe, you know, smoking enough cigarettes. Uh well, I do admit that when I when I started to smoke more, I felt better.

But but you know it's and and I drank gatorade and I got back listen, I did a lot of stuff, but I just wasn't my head was not ready to be figuring out how to book everybody. You know, it's just absolutely some pedia light. It does so much better bottle fies. I mean, it's so much better for you just with a couple of small

bottles of the Pedia light. Knock one of those out of the day, right, it really helps, well, And I did finally, I mean after after about like four or five days, I finally had missus ogo get you know, a couple over the counter things like let's cut down on some of these symptoms, because it was ridiculous, it was running a long time. Monday, when I got back the first place I stopped, I tried to find some as I can, because I could feel it coming on in

my throat and I thought, okay, this is it. Man. I couldn't find any of the store was and I didn't want to drive another twenty miles I should have, right, So that's why I bought a bottle of night Quill. And it took me two bottles of night Quill to get to

the point that I could, you know, feel human. Well, something's going on in this part of Georgia too, because you know, all the Zycam, all of the Zequill, all of the Nike will seem to have been out of all of the stores locally, which, yeah, it's going around. Then there's a pneumonia outbreak. I want to understand a couple of States. I think we've got one out in the western board the state, you know. I mean, it's that timing. You're gonna start catching stuff,

you know exactly. Look, and I had it a few times as a kid because of poor living conditions. I had got pneumonia a few times. So I've got you know, the scar and the lungs and that kind of thing, which you know, how with it, I still have better lung power than most people, which is weird because they always questioned me,

like, you've been smoking how long? When they test my lungs, you know, when they do the lung tests, my lungs are still pretty strong, so you know, even though the rest of me hurt and everything else. Anyways, enough out of me and the complaints. Let's roll forward. We got a caller, so I'm gonna bring him on and let him do

his job, or you know, one of his jobs. Anyways, and we are going to get back to I've got backed up guests, all kinds of stuff ready to roll, and there's gonna be some new features coming up too. I've got a couple of people that have agreed so far to do op ed pieces where we're gonna have very short podcasts from some interesting characters. The first one of interest everybody will be Alan Dale, and he's going to start doing at least a monthly installment onoceelly dot com and I am not giving

him any sort of script or guidelines. Whatever Alan Dale feels like people need to be, you know, informed about, is gonna be what Alan Dale talks about. And I've got a couple other people lined up that are gonna do very short, like say, under twenty minute podcasts, which won't be really podcasts, it will just be their op edd of sorts. Alongside of publishing some articles on the front page. I published Mike Swanson's article before the

fevers grabbed me. And in December we're going to see all this start to roll out. So there's gonna be more content coming at of ocelly dot com than normal. And I'm gonna go back to my four day week schedule that I planned on going to in the first place. So let's get to the caller, and that would be Jimmy James. Jimmy, did you catch the creeping crud that b Pete mentioned? It seems to be everywhere, you know what. I'm the only one that has been stricken with it. Whatever's going

around. My buddy, he's got that same junk pretty bad. I do agree with B Pete though it's not the rona, but it is like a flu, and it's it's pretty it's a pretty good one. It's not like a twenty four hour bug. It's a pretty massive one. I've been creeping on it for ten days, I'm telling you. And I thought it was okayone good everyone's saying it. It just lingers, it sticks. Yeah. It was weird because I thought, you know, okay, sore throat,

and I was worn down. You know. I kept moving that whole weekend and I put in a lot more work than I would normally, and physically I didn't really sleep much and I did a lot, you know. So I thought, I'm just worn out and my back hurts because it's a long car ride, you know, And that's that. Uh. And Nbpete came up sick and I said, okay, well maybe I'll get sick. And I didn't expect, you know, ten days later, jeez, I'm just kind of coming out of it now, still hurting, and you could hear

my voice is not right. But it's weird. It's weird, So you haven't gotten stricken with the creeping crud. No, but if it makes you feel better, I pretty much always had that jump. Okay, well it doesn't make me feel any better, Jimmy, I don't want to see any what he's sick, but look enough for a sick talk. Right, let's let's get on with what is now. The only headline that I took notice of in the weird reaction from the MSM so far is uh is Santo's getting

booted from the house? Right in politics and all that, I haven't been paying attention to anything really this whole excuse me week? What do you want to throw on the table? You'll you'll be informing me with something fresh and new, whatever it is, go for it. I can't say I've been too hot and heavy into the news this week for even a few weeks, actually too much news. But I did see. I think they did toss and I think Santos is out right right right definitely. And I'll tell you

the you know, the JFK week stuff. I still have follow throughs. This week we'll hear from Larry Hancock on the show. Oh no, no, not Larry this week. Actually, next week will be Larry Hancock this week. We'll hear from Mike on the show on Thursday about probably a little bit more about the conference and stuff like that. I'm gonna let some other people fell in about that and a few other interesting people that came out of that, but also some people of interest you might not expect to hear from

that we haven't heard from in a long time. And some new people have approached me, So we're going to have some fresh guests coming up, and it's gonna be gonna be an interesting couple of weeks here for sure. And like I said, I hope to get this op Ed thing rolling so that we have a small group of people that produce for you guys, you know, very very random pieces of importance that we'll get introduced as like mini podcasts

too. So it's gonna be it's gonna be a good, rolling bit of content, despite the fact that the past couple of weeks have been really lame. I mean I was away for a week and then sick, so I mean, I know, we barely put out anything, but it's about to change. So uh, I hope you guys enjoy all that. Uh. Anyways, but Jimmy so outside of that. I mean that, and what football you had? Did the Lions lose their game and on Thanksgiving? I I forgot? Let yes they good. Yes, it was a disgrace lost

to the Packers. I see. Well, I always think of that cartoon where the guy says to the to the lion like a physical lion, he goes, hey, wait a minute, Thanksgiving. Aren't you supposed to be in Detroit losing a football game? I always think of that car So, you know, I don't know. I think they said, they said, this is the eighth or tenth one in the in the world we've lost. That's pretty sad. Well, you know, tradition is tradition, Jimmy, right, look at it. At least your teams one in ten like mine

is. So you're having a good year one in ten. Oh the Panthers are doing that bad? Yeah? Hell yeah. They just fired the coach, which I don't understand why they didn't do it before. Now, wait a minute, so I'm scared. Does this mean that the Jets are doing better than the Panthers right now if they have more than one win? Hell, yes, that's horrible. If you know I think Jets, don't think

I'm gonna don't kick up. I'm gonna check the standings. Guys. I gotta see this because I got to see where the Jets and the Browns are standing. Because if your teams are not doing as well as the Jets, are, the Browns your beat. I mean that's terrible. Sorry, well everybody above the Panthers. So everybody's having a good year. And and the thing is, look, even if we get another first round draft pick out of it like we did last year, what good is it gonna do it?

I mean, that's terrible. Okay, Now, if I could speak to missus Ford, missus Ford, you need to open up the pocketbook, let the mosquet all float it out and everything here that thing out. Pull out a few stacks of money. And we need some free agents to start with dominn Sue. This isn't the time to cheap out. Don't say, oh, next year, There is no next year. Okay, old woman, this is it in our lifetime. This is our one stats. Okay. Let me let me inform the listener in case. I know we don't

usually do football talk, but this is funny to me. The Carolina Panthers are currently one in ten. The Jets are currently, they have four wins the Jets. I just saw, So the Jets are doing better than the Panthers. Now wait a minute, let's see about the Lions, because if they're doing better than the Lions, I mean, it's bad. Well, we won't mat and lost three. We're repeatable. We'll get the It's just it's just a couple of games that the Lions had problems with. Otherwise they

d ten and one. I mean, they've had a pretty decent year. But yes, they've got their act. On Thanksgiving they just happened. They just had to take their Thanksgiving l But other than that, yeah, they're they're at the top of their division. It looks like to me, so that's not so bad. They just you know, you got to keep the tradition. Jimmy James, I mean, what are you gonna do the Oh my god, the Browns. You ready for this, guys, The Browns

have a seven and four season right now. That's aw bizarre. Yeah, and uh, if it wasn't for the Revens, I'm sorry. The playoffs. Just you're good. Everybody's surprised. The Brown's still carried over a lot of talent, you know. They they've they've got a team. Instead of being a bottom dweller, they're a mid dweller ended up doing the top, you know, depending on which division you're looking at. But yeah, they've got We've got a quality team this year. Look at what Seattle's doing,

you know, look at some of these big names. San Francisco has been doing great since we sent all of our damn players to them. It's amazing. But yeah, we're just relying on the draft again. I hope we need I'm like Jimmy James. We need to, you know, so crow bar and a wallet and start buying some free agents that are worth something instead

of dumping all your money on quarterbacks who can't stay in the pocket. What's scary is if the Ravens were not at nine and three, the Browns could potentially be leading their division because they're tied with the Steelers at seven and four in the AFC North. Wild. Okay, well, you know, usually it's like you don't even need to check with them. Cleveland Browns are doing I mean, but that's wild. Okay, Well, I stand totally corrected.

But the Jets still with a poor losing season as per usual, better shape than the Panthers though. Okay, always Buffalo has had some great games and they started out big guns, but they've had a few games that they should have won that that's knocked them back down the standings. I mean, look at the look at the Giants, they're sucking this year. They look

at Jid Washington, they're sucking. Well. The Bills have a split season six and six, so I mean they're you know, they're at five hundred, they're okay, uh, but they're I don't think they're going to be in the playoffs. The Dolphins are ant eating three. I mean, you know, that's the way that is. But the Jets are definitely out of it at four and seven. Uh. Anyways, it's just interesting to take

a look at it and unusual to me. If they won the rest of their games, they'd be at what nine and nine and seven, they'd be possibly wild card. They could do it. Yeah, Okay, well I doubt they will though, because they're the Jets. But you know, okay, fair enough. Oh, I got knocked out of my chat room. By the way, we do have a live chatroom Atchelli dot com. And no, we're not going to just talk football tonight. We will talk whatever it is you guys bring up and by all means take over the show,

as you call in. So anyway, Jimmy, I pulled you around a whole bunch of different things. Is there anything else on your mind though that you saw that you noticed that you think should be discussed at the moment? Let's see. So first day, are you guys going to be discussed in that Limpkin article? Then yes, I was hoping to do that. So you did see the Lumpkin article? You got the document and all that, Yeah, okay, yeah, because I published it also, I republished on

o'celly dot com. Added a few more things there, including the file if you want to download it for PDF, which I don't think Mike did, but but I put it out. And the Assassination Records archive website also published the article. So you know, it's not an exclusive, but it's an interesting art. It's an interesting piece, don't you think? Yeah, okay, I believe it. It sounds correct. Yeah, oh you know what

I mean? So Jimmy right that no one could identified supposedly, well, he was invited to discuss things with the motorcade and all that, and nobody could seem to figure out because according to other documents, somebody else was invited to that meeting that also shouldn't have been there. There's some weird stuff going on with regard to the Motorcate planning, you know, which again is interesting. I don't know if it's going to reveal anything huge, but but you

never know, you know. More rocket kickover. Hey, I had a question for you, actually, James, from a couple of weeks ago. Well, yeah, just real quick, a couple of things. You had mentioned that you might be able to lay your hands on a twenty six volume set from the Warrant Commission. Have you made any progress with that? Not? This week? Do you do all? The snow town has been pretty empty every day? Okay, no problem. I was just wondering, because

yeah, I'm rooting for you man pretty much. If if the schools closed, they close, they don't bother to work, okay in their two hour workday. Yeah well yeah, a little bird civil servants, what are you gonna do? But sure? All right? Well look keep me posted on that though, because I love it when somebody gets ahold of them. You

know. The cheapest one I've seen is about twenty three hundred lately, for a full set, you know, so if you can get a hold of one small yeah, from nineteen sixty four, that costs fifteen hundred, So I guess it ain't really, no, it's not. I saw the hearings, just the hearings without the exhibits, you know, the first half like one through fifteen or something like that, or one through thirteen, I forget, But the first half of them available for like eight hundred bucks. I

saw that recently, and I was surprised. But a complete set, you don't see them for less than two thousand, ever, and they're usually about three grand. So I mean, I'd love to see you get a hold of one. I've been trying to get hold of one for many years.

For a little while, I was collecting individual volumes, but you know, ex wives, they destroy that as we go, and so you know, I lost those, even though I was acquiring those at about thirty fifty dollars apiece, which would have cost me much more than you know, what would have been forty six hundred dollars and fifty dollars apiece, right, so it would have been it would have been a mess. But you know, anyways that I'm glad you brought the h C H h C C as they had

those two I didn't remember reading them. They could have if they had one set. Yeah, well they're there. They were not as many of the hs C A volumes printed, but I've come close to getting a hold of one of those for about a grand a full set. Uh but uh but but just you know, the guy got a better deal, like last minute on me the one time. It's like the dc A film, which,

by the way, you know the Dallas Cinema Associates film. You know what I'm talking about, Which film, the d c A film, Dallas Cinema Associates which movies. It's not no, it is out of Dallas. He's got a compilation. What was it, Four individuals that had short sections of film got together and they combined them. It's a little a little closer. I think it's more than four. Yeah, yeah, okay, it's more than four by now. I think originally it was three and then they added

more to it. Basically, it's a compilation of little short segments and I mean just a few seconds, and he shows activity around the school book depository. It shows some other footage from some of the other buildings, there's really not a lot in it, except that it's very useful in placing people in other films and correlating them. Yes, that person was standing here, so

their perspective as this has been really helpful. Well, there's also a piece of the film done by Charles Mentisana who who filmed the police seizing a rifle at the time of the school book depository search, which does not appear to be the carcano, you know, which is interesting because they don't show another rifle in inventory that they took, but clearly they're seizing a rifle in the

film. Now, what's weird about this is that a lot of people don't know, and you know, the presentation was made at Lancer by Alex Harris regarding this that at a certain point the people got together and created a home movie version of this that they sold in a local store. So for a

little while. Yeah, yeah, well listen, they told the Cinema Association to be able to distribute it, right, and they were a little group of again home movie makers who got together and decided to put their assassination footage together. Now it had been shown in a couple of Dallas movie theaters and again it was for sale. That poster that I got while we were at the conference there, that one poster I was trying not to bend or anything,

was actually the advertisement for it for that store. So I had that. I almost got one of those films a couple of years ago off of eBay, and I was, Yeah. It was also very influential in establishing that the guy in the outions photo was Billy Lovelady based on the he showed he was wearing and everything else. And that was a lot of the footage that was referred to which in the position, and then like I said, from others, they could they could determine other people that were in both films

or in other still shots. So it's very good. It's a very it's a very well, I wouldn't say very influential, but yes, it has a lot of influence in a lot of little areas well. It's got a lot of good stuff for researchers who were trying to put things on a timeline. And the truth is grown this material, were this material have ended up?

And that other thing, the oh you know that two hour combo of news footage that they did like twenty years ago, Well that's what I was just gonna say, Yeah, that's what I was just going to tell you, is that if you remember, Groden put out a VHS a long time ago that then became a DVD later that he called the Assassination Films, which had you know, pretty much full versions of most of the films that he was able to collect, and that there was a version of the DCA film

on there as a bonus I think, or maybe it was one of the fis. It might have been one of the main films or a bonus, but either way, it was on there. So that's usually the only place people ever saw it. And I think, you know, YouTube, I think has a cut down version of it somewhere up on somebody's channel, unauthorized completely, so on and so forth. But that film has kind of been seen by some people, and it has allowed people to place things like Love

Lady and I wonder, you know, a good study of it. I wonder what that would have to say about prayer Man, you know, as far as can we track down prayer Man for real in that film? I think so, but I haven't done it yet. Anyways, Love Lady and prayer Man be both Lady, well, no norway Man and prayer can't be both be the same dude. No, but but maybe we could Yeah, no, absolutely, they're two different people, but we could maybe identify prayer

Man. I think through the DCA film if somebody carefully studies it. Uh But anyway, I was saying to you about eBay. I had almost gotten one of those films that was sold in that department store a couple of years ago, and I found out just this week who beat me for it. It turns out that film that Alex was holding during his presentation when he showed everybody, here's the film in the box that they sold, that was actually

Kenneth's film Gabby's husband, Right, it's actually his. He's the one who beat me on eBay for it. Uh So I found that really amazing. It was like, oh, look, I actually have run into the How often do you run into somebody who beat you on eBay for something? Right? Yeah? About ago? Two links, two links in the room. One is a DCA film, The Final Hour, the other is some other DCA footage. So they've got several versions from off the net, so they've

got good quality and bad quality. But I just threw those in the room for people Jimmy, you can go and look at this. It might refresh your memory. You've probably seen these before, you just didn't know it was the DCA film, right. And I think Rodent specifically excised the mental sound

a part that I was talking about on one of his presentations. Uh. And those those DVDs or or VHS's are still really useful because you don't have a collection of films anywhere else outside of Rodan's collection that that you know, that you can get in one shot. You know, another thing I want to get I was, uh uh uh? Who was the who is the guy that was always arguing with Jerry Henny, the Jewish guy that started the Defamation League and all that? Oh what? The guy who was with Ruby?

No, no, he's still alive. He's uh always the guy that did the Dylan analogy. Oh uh oh oh you mean you mean the guy who did the chronology in Fetzer's book. Yeah, he did it. You know he's got the capsules. M Now you got me there. I don't know, I don't know who you're referring to now. Sorry, the guy that you can't remember he was he's always arguing with Bob Dylan argues the first dylanology. Oh, I don't know. Do you know who he's referring to

be. He's the only guy older than John Berber in the JFK community. I don't know. Hold on, you're not talking about Malcolm Blunt. I mean, he's been around forever, but I don't think he's in his nineties yet. Nuh, this is Oh, come on, you don't mean Peter Dell Scott. Oh look, I mean that's what That's what I'm trying to do now, I can't. I mean, the Anti Defamation League was started by Sigmund Livingston, who was a lawyer in Chicago, but he had I

know who I he's talking about. I can't think of the guy's name. It's not it's not. What the hell? Oh, here we go all of the nation around. This is crazy. I know who he's talking about. I cannot think of it. It's not Sigmund, it's you're talking about the guy in the wheelchair. But anyway, look, while they're searching around for this name, you guys listening can join us three one nine five two

seven five zero one six. That's the number to call, and you can change the subject at any time in case this is boring you the JFK stuff or the football discussion or whatever. But I'm fully open here and might take a break shortly so I can go cough more off, Mike, you know, just in between. But love to hear from you about whatever's been going on this week or for the past couple of weeks, whatever you want to throw on the table. Totally available to you. Uh, sounds like that

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number to call. Yes. Indeed, I have not been product too lately, but we're about to start to roll full steam ahead, and there's gonna be a lot of new features coming out on the network, new people, hopefully. I've invited a few extra people to do op eds and we'll see what develops during the month of December. But either way, all by myself,

I got plenty of content. I got to get to lots of guests, new people, some people we haven't heard from in a while, and new books, new publications, new films, new stuff to tackle onochelly dot com. Oh VPTE, I think you got your noise for your chat room open wide because I just heard that knock noise, So maybe mute that. Jimmy James is on the line, and I think we have another caller. So, Jimmy, you were talking about and see there's that knock noise from

the chat. Jimmy, you were talking about somebody whose name you couldn't remember.

So I want to give you a chance to mention that, talk about it on air, and then we'll turn over and pick up Harlan and whoever else calls in three one nine, five two seven, five zero one six Jimmy, Yeah, and of course the mo went to break came to me a J. Weberman of course, even once I said it, all three of us that A yeah, Well I haven't thought of him since he did that book where they had the overlays, you know, and he was trying

to prove that uh what's his name hunt was in dealy Plaza and you know which I disagree with, but he had interesting overlays in the book. Remember that that was a unique kind of book that him and his co author was that was that the Anthony Summer's book was cooked conspiracy. No, it was something like that. I remember that book. Yeah, yeah, No, it was a neat book. Uh, it was interesting at the time. Like I said, a lot of stuff in it has you know, since

been kind of debunked naturally through the process. But but Weberman was a really uh interesting author in at his time. And you know, you know who used to actually know I think he knew him directly was Bob Wilson. Knew him. Of course, Bob and I don't talk anymore, but Bob I think knew him. Directly, either him or his co author one or the other he knew directly here. I'd like to talk to him. Well, he wasn't mad at me for some reason. I'm sure Wilson wouldn't take it

out on you. Yeah, he wouldn't take out on you all at him a Robberman, He's pretty unpredictable, quite frankly. Yeah, that's my understanding of him too. I've never really dealt with him myself. That's one author I never dealt with, so h. But the reason he was bringing up his books is he put out one is five ten years ago. A fact,

I think it was ten years ago. I just can't believe it, but I think it was for the fiftieth And it's just loaded with good, rare pictures and awesome where as. And that's another thing that I definitely want to buy. I think his Pictures of Assassination pass well. Pictures of the Pain is Richard Trask's book that is an excellent reference book, Pictures of the Pain that that has a lot of strips in it. It's very small strips,

but you can actually see a lot of times. You know one famous photograph, but you don't know the others that were taken by the same photographer, and Trask actually shows you a lot of the here's the rest of the Altkins photos, you know, here's the rest of the slides, here's the rest of Uh. He put together a lot of that stuff, Trask, Richard Trask. But uh, then, now was was that that was that other? Uh? The older book, wasn't it? That's it? Yes,

Kudeta in America or something like that. Yeah, or maybe it was just kud Either way, Kudeta is part of the title. Yes, that's a pretty good book at for the time. I mean, knowing that the documents really what right? You did some good interviews with Hamming and all the characters love them that have anyway, So hand it over to you. Guys. Get to Harry. Absolutely. Look we're gonna get to Harlan. I'm gonna put you on hold, Jimmy, we'll get back around to you.

Though. We got Harlan on the line. We got at least one two other callers, so let's get to them. Let's see Harlan. Hey, Harlan, before you pitch me on having somebody on about Pipe the Bimbo and Red again. Uh, it's already in the works. I'm working on it, so I'm just uh, I have to actually read the book. Uh, And I have to get the book, so as soon as I do

that, i'll have that on in case that's what you're calling for. How you doing, Harlan, Well, I was and survivalist and the big truck was cooking a little bit and one of my trees it's got a hole in the bottom of it. So I've got sweet potato juice running out here on the floor and down my leg. But you know, I'm a trooper and I'm in here, you know, for everybody tonight? Has everybody else well doing? Okay? Did you happen to catch the creeping crub this week or

this past few weeks? Did you catch anything? Man, I've had something since I was about thirteen when I first started smoking, So you know, it kind of comes and goes all right, but I've not got it. I mean, you know, me being in different climates and stuff, I mean, you know, you get choked up somewhere and there. Well, last week I was home and I forgot about the show to probably, I guess an hour after it was out off and I sent to advance a text.

I say, I forgot about tonight or say it well, yeah, actually Vance is on hold right now, so I'll get to him shortly. But man, look, you had something since you're thirteen. As long as it ain't the collap I think you'll be all right, you know what I mean, that's right, yeah, or the chlamydia or you know some of

these other cottage cheesus diseases I've heard about over time. That's a I called then when you was on Coast to coast and basically, you know, the segment run out of time, they'll just let you stay on hold, you know, during one segment and you have to hang up Kyle back. I want to mention you know that there was probably I was one of the tens

of thousand Hotel Effect listeners that was there. Than that, I was gonna mention Don's new book, but I didn't have opportunity to, right, I might, I might try to talk to mister law about that book actually, or Don or both. I'm not sure you know the schedules depending so, but but I want to read it first so I know what the hell's in

it. You know. Well, I've been meaning that to ask Don if there was another place that was available at but about a week ago I went to order it on Amazon that said somebody's gonna be January or February four. It was available, but I didn't go look anywhere else, and I just slipped my mind bashed on. Oh wow, Okay, Well, as far as I know, if some physical copies have gotten out, I don't know through what, but I'm told that some have gotten out, and there's some

digital copies out there. I don't know who got them or how because I have not received one yet, but I'm told they are available somewhere, so I don't know. Yeah, I thought there was, although I mean I've just been lazy folks. You know, you could probably look around and find something. Don had a show last week with his co offer. Is the guy's name William Male It is William Mattson Lows, an excellent author on the case, wrote in the Eye of History, was really hoping that he was

going to go to Dallas in person. Promised me though, that if I go back next year, that that he will next year go uh if just to meet meet up with me there in Dallas. So I'm more than happy to figure that one out. I've never actually shook mister Law's hand. You know, I like him though I've always appreciated his work. What how did that go? I missed last week? Showman. Did you have a good trip with you guys? You know? Well? To catch you up?

Yeah, to catch you up. I thought the conference was really great. You know, we're gonna let some other people talk about it coming up, be Pete. We we we had a little fun with how bad the hotel was. But the hotel is not the conference. The conference was was very good. The hotel was not so good. But and I was busy as hell. I didn't get to do that much. I went to Dealey Plaza for about forty five minutes. I ate at Campezes once, and then I don't think I really left the hotel, Be Pete did. I me?

Pete might be talking to his mute button. But you know, I know that I didn't leave the hotel much outside of our trek to seven to eleven in the middle of the night, where I think both of us were worse for wear by the time we got back. But I mean between that forty five minutes from Dalely Plaza and a trip to Campezies once on Thursday night, when we got there, I didn't really leave the hotel. I pretty much had my foot nailed to the floor because being MC wasn't just announcing people.

There was a lot of other work, which I happily did, and we kept the conference running and it was really good. I thought we had some technical difficulties, some troubles here and there. People got a little nasty with me and there, and one jerk was coughing on us toward the end. Thanks, And me and BPTE had both been sick ever since. But of course he thinks I'm being a worst about it, and he's much a tougher guy than me. So for the past ten days, I've been sick real

bad, you know. So I have not put out shows at all, and really you haven't gone live since last Friday. But we're going to change that this week, so you know, there you go. Still my throat is thrashed. Be Pete, you're back with me yet? Yeah? Okay, So I was saying, I don't think I left the hotel room, or not the hotel room. I don't think I left the hotel outside of Campezes seven to eleven and forty five minutes to Daily Plaza. I think I

didn't leave outside of that. Is that about right? Yeah, because Campezes was the first night we got there, so the conference hadn't started yet once it started Friday morning. Yeah, you didn't leave that hotel. Well, they just think it was you had to take with coast to coast two Saturday night, so you know, the only free time you would have had, you know, taking a nap before you stayed up for the radio. So yeah, you were very limited in Harlan tried to call in during that.

I really wish you would have gotten on there because there were some wacky people and I mean it's tough going in between those casuals. By the way, Harlan, did you hear how tight that was in between the commercials where it was like I had almost no time to answer most of what was being thrown at me. Did you get that sense? Yeah? Yeah, well it's like I was. I believe it was advance. I told somebody else I was talking too. It was luck you didn't have enough time to get kicked

in gear, you know, to get in the chuck. So you know what I mean, because it may usually a lot of this stuff once you get to talking about it, you're just bomb bound back. You just keep letting it roll, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and it did sing like you was kind of constraint then time, you know, you you got to the college. I mean the lady, the producer, you know, she was real nice. That put me in line. I was the next one to go on before the last one. But you know, I

guess we're getting so close to the hour. They was trying to give you enough time to kind of recap or throw out whatever you hadn't mentioned before. But yeah, I could you know tell that you just did. You wouldn't hardily, you know, had enough opportunity to get in your zone on your issues. You know what I'm saying. I could tell you was kind of you know, trying to just think about what to say quick as you could

say it. I guess does that makes sense? Yeah? I just hope that, you know, for you know, I hope that people got some information out of it, because I tried to pack, you know, some really good stuff into each piece as quickly as I could. And again I had no warning or script on it. Uh. And he sort of knocked me off balance with the personal stuff right away. Uh. And I just said all right, fine, you know, let's go. But yeah,

I mean I was trying really to answer everything I could. I know, the one caller dropped that Judy Baker thing on me and they went to break, and I was like, oh crap. I was mad about that, And I think when I came back from break, I said, yeah, okay, before we go anywhere else, first of all, yeah, Judy bang okay, next, you know, so I think I might overstep my bounds there and kind of you know, like you know, just didn't even

answer what he was saying. Right that. I was like, yeah, I got to address Judith Baker before we go any further because the caller brought it up. But so I did that, and I think I mentioned Walt's book on there too, right, Yeah, Well one most thing before I

forget about it. Has anybody else I've not had a chance so far, because I saw something that you'd have to be on a Foxy streaming platform to out the debate between the Santas and newsm I was just wondering maybe if anybody else would sew any of that yet from last night or the other night or VP you know, saw anything about it. Oh, did the Santas and

Newsom have a debate separately. Do some I would have missed it. Yea, from what he sometime back as a red state versus blue state debate and from what I saw De Santa's pretty much has now created an open field for the Democratic primary because he knocked knew some right out of the park. I mean, he just nailed him on everything. And when he reproduced the poop map of San Francisco, it was all, well did that. Eventually Newsom's life came in and said, no, that's it, we can't go,

and they were going to go longer she came into it. The town said no, that's it. We've got another, you know, arrangement to another meeting that we've got to get too, So we're quitting right now. Nice. Yeah, he got his, but do them well. You know what what I will do is review that for next week because I guarantee it'll be of interest. I think it's uh, you know, there's been some legal

uh you know, rulings also on the Trump case. There's been a bunch of things gone on this week, but I'm only vaguely aware of that. I don't know what has happened, uh, just of the Trump Kates in New York with Leticia James. During the prosecution, they had they had a guy from the deutsch Bank come in and test five and it was supposed to

be for the prosecution. But he gets up there and explains that, uh, yeah, it's not you know, it's not uncommon that a bank would reduce a customer's assets by fifty percent to still approve alone, which is what they did for Trump. Uh he said, you know, yeah, Trump gave us his opinion of his value. We set our own value. We basically reduced his assets by fifty percent, but we still gave him the loan because he qualified. Right, I'm gonna put it's just a whole hole in

her case. Right, I'm gonna put Harlan on hold for a minute. We're gonna go over to Vance in a minute. But look, what I have contended about this all along is that it's not an unusual thing that Trump got. Look, if you're of a certain kind of rich guy, this is my complaint. If you're at a certain level, you can be millions of dollars in debt. Now, if you or I try that VP, we ain't gonna have it happen. Right, But you get to a certain

privileged position in the banking world, in the business world. Yeah, you can lose millions of dollars. You can blow fortunes and they'll give you loans to cover it. You can screw up your loans, they'll give your loans to cover it. Now you or I bounce a car note and we might not get a credit card for five years. You know. These guys though, it's like the more they lose, it seems like, well, the more the bank kind of shovels on to him for credit. And that's just

the way of the world. If you're a rich guy, you get to do this, right. Yeah, it's just representative of everything else. There's a you know, a two to at least a two tion system when it comes to banking. If you're big enough, it doesn't matter what your losses are, as long as your assets are a certain amount on a balance sheet. Don't give well, I'll give you, yeah, better rates and you get a average car loans. So yeah, it goes on all the time.

I mean, that's what banking has been since banking has been around. The more money you got, the more money you can get. Right, the faceless thing I can give you a faceless example. You can't take this personally. Ready. Netflix lost money for about, I don't know, a decade. Basically, they were losing money year after year, millions of dollars, millions of dollars. Did their stock price drop No? Did the value of the company drop? No? And yet they were a losing entity.

Now, if you try and run a corner store, okay, at a thirty thousand dollars a year, you ain't gonna stay in business. Your texta gonna look at Amazon? How lane? Did Amazon show a negative on the profit sheets for what fifteen years? Yeah? Before they finally turned around and started making bazillions. So yeah, you know, it's just when Trump goes to the bank. It's not like you and me walking into the bank.

So it's a totally whole different level. Right, So the idea is that, according to the way you and I have to do business, yeah,

he's getting away with murder. We couldn't possibly go near that. You know, if you or I report an asset incorrectly, even to an insurance company, and we have a fire in our house and we want our TV replaced, okay, and they find out somehow that we told them we got you know, a five thousand dollars plasma TV as opposed to a you know, a three hundred dollars black light special over at freaking Walmart, right, And we try and push that through on the insurance to get them to cut check

or replace the cheaper TV with the you know what, we're going to get in trouble. A guy like Trump can do that throughout a whole hotel and it's not an issue. It's a slide rule issue, that's it. You know, he could he could ask for the whole hotels TVs to be replaced because of a power surge, and the insurance company won't bat an eye even if they catch it. You or I tried to do that with one electronic and you know they'll be threatening us with charges dropping our insurance, telling us

they're not going to pay for anything else. You know, screw you in your house. You lied on the form. Well, it's a long averages too. You know you're going to pay a whole lot higher premiums on an insurance policy covering a thirteen story hotel as opposed to my residential unit where you know, most people don't have a kissing or a window that's saw it out

of So yeah's you're talking two different things. You know, if I've got the assets, if they look at a balance sheet, they see the assets, they're going away, Okay, can I make this loan and not getting the guys paid us back on everything else, So we'll go ahead write the loan. I mean, postman dealing with Deutsche Bank for quite some time, and it's because Deutscher Bank will on his loans. That's why he goes there, and he knows he can do businesses them and they'll back him even if

he blows it, even if he doesn't make your payments exactly. We'll think about right. But the thing about this prosecution is the state is going after him to say you are profiting somehow illegally. But there's no victim in this. In this civil suit, they just want the two hundred and fifty million dollars for themselves. They're not compensating any victims by going after the two hundred

and fifty mili, which is part of the case. Now. So you know, you bring in somebody to testify and guy says, hey, you know this isn't fought. This goes on every day. Banks do it every day. We knew what he's put on his sheet was his opinion, and he said, you know, Trump's values were his opinion. It's our job to come up with our own opinion, and based off that opinion is what we do to decide where we're going to float the loan when they did.

It happens every day, not just with Trump. Like you said, Netflix, Amazon was in the hole for years and years and years. Other companies have been on the verge of bankruptcy and been able to get loans to float

their business for another year before they eventually claimed bankruptcy. Happens on time, Okay, So it's going to be interesting to see how this case goes from being on out because it was so bad that Lachiefu James had to issue a statement after the testimony to try to imply, hey, you know this doesn't affect our case at all. Well, I can't wait, yeah, no, And I can't wait to see what happens when people actually burst the Twitter

x bubble, cause you know that multi billion dollar deal. I guarantee you that platform is not near worth what it was that was forked out for it. Is anybody going to get any of that money back? I doubt it and musk just like Trump is using a lot of other people's money when he does this, so you know it's going to be a lot of people. See OPM has funded the business world now for the past, you know, bazillion years. You always I mean that that was the mean back during the

house flipping market. How to make money off real estate using OPM all the people's money? You got it. It's it's way away. I why should I risk morel if I can risk yours? Exactly. So with that, we got Advance on the line too. So let's get over to him and see what he wants to throw on the table. I dare say it'll be something different. Uh, you know, but I've been sick this week. Vance next week, though, we're going to get rolling full steam. I

wanted to do it last week. But whatever the hell this flu was, and not the rona, I'm sure, although I have reports of people having caught the rona at the conference. I got to check with creative accidents. See if he's okay. Actually I didn't ask him if he was sick. I bet you he's not. Be Pete, what do you think? I bet you didn't get it? He didn't hang around long enough to catch it. He's here and gone off to another event. So you know, I'd

be curious to know too. Oh quick, little tidbit before you get to Vance was able to use the Heimlich maneuver on Jody Ernst to save her while she was choking on her food. You know, interesting little thing. We learn how to do these things and we think, ah, I've never used this, and here we have an actual physician sitting down to eat and having to perform a Heimlink maneuver on one of his coworkers. I use, I mean I did not hear about that either. See, I've been out of

the loop this week. Vance, What do you got on your mind this week? Though? I'm sure it doesn't ran Paul in the Heimlich maneuver? But maybe what do you got There's a lot of people could try to use a good Heimlich maneuver. One thing, one thing before I forget is, uh, we never got the answer to these riddle last two weeks ago or whatever it was about what's more important than life? For what? I can't

even remember now exactly exactly? Okay, let's definitively before you go any further, hold on, let me put Jimmy on the line and let him go back over his riddle and give the correct answer. I think we did get to it, but let's make sure and make sure that we got it right. I don't want to misquote Jimmy James after all. So Jimmy, you're back on the line. Jimmy, and uh that riddle that you gave us, right? Do you remember the riddle exactly? And could you give us

the answer? Now? Okay, let's see what's more important than money? Less important than that? Yes, guys gave who let's freedom? And uh one was yes? So whattanding yes? Prom be more than one answer? The absolute your honor? All right, that is the answer from Jimmy James. But your honor? I think freedom is an acceptable answer though, Jimmy, But but honor is the one you were looking for. So that's the correct answer to the Jimmy James version of that riddle. Oh, it would

be hard to be sure. What did you do with freedom if you're dead? Dang? That's it's well, there is what's good being alive? That she ain't free? There you go, right, there's the paradox. Uh so it depends I guess it depends if you're an a Gelvin cage tree. I'm a little smaller, fair enough, Jimmy pre range deep philosophical thought, just be free range. Sorry good, I was just going to say it

would just be free range slaves. You know. There you go, and I would argue Jimmy just just again, I accept it's the Jimmy James riddle. So the Jimmy James answer is as it is. It is your honor. But to me, indeed death could be equal to freedom as well, depending on your circumstance. So you know that's just me and there's my dark philosophy. So there you go, Mance, you got the answer. Finally, it is your honor. That is the thing he was looking for.

Well, my answer will be freedom. You stand by your answer as well. It could be integrity, you know. Yeah, there's you know, plenty of ways you could, you know, correctly, logically or whatever you know, answer that question. But you know, I'll stick with freedom. And like I said last week, I don't want this show to anymore, not on Fridays anyway, to be about my opinion any longer. So I want all of you guys to express yourselves and new people to come on and

express themselves as well. That's what I want. So you know, by all means, you know, contradict me, point out what it is you want to point out, each of you do it your way, because that's what this is about. Okay, So anyway, go ahead, Vancey. You you got to the riddle, what else did you have on your mind?

Well, I guess along that line of the freedom aspect, I'd be interested to hear Jelle's opinions on my kind of one of my biggest kind of concerns right now is that you know, what, what do you I suppose it happened, is between now and the election? You know that there is an organized terrorist attack for Mohammas, you know, or Iranian terrorist organization that's you know, snuck across the border that was conveniently open and all that.

You know, I think that would affect the dynamic of what's going on. Well, I'll leave that to others to answer. A matter of fact, I'd like to first go to be Pete on that. How do you think a you know, a terrorist attack between now and selection time might affect the dynamics and the selection? Would that be the correct question? Bance? Well, maybe it directly, you could not even have an election if we get

put on martial law. Well, that would be one way the selection process would be affected, right, So okay, be Pete, what are your thoughts on that. Do you think that there could possibly be a terrorist attack in between now and November of twenty four that could affect that big selection time? Yeah, it's I think it's highly possible that one could happen in the next year. But I think if we do have one that hits, you

can forget Biden or any Democrats' chances in the election. If something would happen, Let's say six months from now, something happens, we're getting into the we're in the middle of the primary grounds, and we're getting ready to go to conventions. I'm gonna tell you, now, we get hit with something, you can forget a Democrat getting elected. It's not gonna help them one

bit. Biden has already been over backwards to give as much money as aganned iron and they're sitting there funding everybody that's creating turmoil in the Middle East and other places. So now I think if anything would help bring might help bring Trump in, although taking consideration, Trump might not be there he might have been found guilty of something and knocked off the ballot in a few places. It's going to change a lot of things. But if we get hit,

I guarantee you Biden's not going to respond to do anything about it. We're just gonna have to suck it up, and then we'll have a Republican come in and then it'll be kind of like two thousand and one. Well, okay, look what they did to us, Let's go get them, and we dive right back into something, which is strange when you consider that Trump was the only one who didn't have us really at war or get us into anything new while he was in there. Of course, he pulled the Nixon

and Chip said he was going to get us out. He was waiting for his next term to do that, and unfortunately he lost. So, yeah, it's going to create a big difference in the Democrat's chances to get elected. I think. Other than that, I don't think it's going to have much effect. It's going to take off a lot of the public and they're going to shake their head and say, I told you so. But we haven't done a damn thing to fix anything, you know, with the board

that's causing these problems in the past. How many fifty years? When was the amnesty back in the seventies. We haven't done anything since then for us, for it is not going to get fit Reagan when he first went in, I think, good, an amnesty type thing, and then it you know, it's still amounted to nothing. Let's let's see what each of the other callers thinks about this. I put Vance on hold, but I think

this is a great question to pass around. So let's go to Harlan and you know, Harlan, what do you think about the idea of some sort of terrorist attack coming in and affecting the selection process, you know, in November? What what's what's your thoughts on that? Well, I'm you know, I'm pretty much on page with BP. He's you know, laid out about high half of what I was going to say, so I don't have to repeat it. But far as who that he would help in the election

goes on the Republican side, I think there's still some variables there. I think after we see the first primaries, we're going to see how strong you know, that chosen one he is, and we're going to see, you know, how strong the destantus is because you know, oath of their supporters on Twitter is you know, making the best case both sides accusing the other side of propaganda, line polls and blah blah blah. But I think it

would number one. It would be according to when it happened before, during or after the primaries, before or after, you know, both set the nominations was over with. I think that would have a lot of bearing on it. But I also think one of the reasons why I don't believe that that is that has a high likelihood of happening, is because there's so many people as talked about it, kind of expecting it, you know what I'm

saying, And I'm not saying that it couldn't happen. But if this had been ten years ago, I think if that was going to happen, we'd already seen it. Because you know, the seastar hits over with now a lot of this stuff is just sabad on that Yahoo, so they've had to kind of peel back off, you know, some of the response towards the just the average, everyday average, you know Palestinian, That's kind of about

where I'm at. But you know, I sure hope that doesn't happen, because then we're gonna go right back to you know, war on terror, blah blah blah, brown paper, bad mister Muslims. And then you're gonna have a crowd of people, you know, screaming hiss the Jews around the world, blah blah blah, and that's just gonna amp all that stuff like

that. It now, I hear you, Okay, So I'm gonna put you on hold, and I'm gonna turn to the guy who's probably gonna be the most fiery on this, and again, Jimmy, I want you to keep in mind, I'm not saying that anything about this yet. I've said nothing. I'm just asking the question Advance put to us here, which is, you know, how do you think that that could affect the twenty twenty

four selection if this occur. I'm not even talking about whether it's organic, or it's staged, or it's one side or the other, or it's something entirely new, you know, new sort of al Qaeda has re emerged, who knows. I didn't go into any of those details. I just put the question the same way Vance did, what would happen if that happens in between now and then, and Harlan says there's nuanced because of whether it happens

during the primaries after et cetera, et cetera. But for your particular thoughts, let me see you. Where's Jimmy. There he is, Jimmy James, and we have another caller. I'm gonna get to next, So Jimmy, go ahead. I want to get to this martial law thing, the toys. I'm always hearing people say that Donald Troup or Joe Biden or schmuckle Telly or whoever's gonna Oh, they're gonna declare my r slong. Well it's not that damn easy. I'm gonna explain the process in a minute. Yeah,

all right, now I'm the Trump thing, uh or terrorists? Thanks for what the schmuck o Kelly, thanks for that good I wasn't either going for your name. I don't know how that came out it did I do? I often do they smug Otelly, I've been saying it for wait before I knew you, though, Oh thanks, I had nothing to do with

you even in the nineties. I don't know how it started. I think we're watching some movie and I asked the men, Okay, who's the blah blah the one to see him h And they said some command And I said, now, wasn't no commander schmuck at tell it was a damn patty officer, a mechanic bah blah blah, Marvin J. Shields one anlyst uh where

we uh? Yeah, you were talking about this martial law and you said I'll get to that in a minute about how hard that is to do, but go ahead, okay, Yeah, Well, obviously if some anything bad happens, usually the buck stops here at the top man, that's the correct answer. A cat that goes down at the ship, hit the spaghetti, hits the fan. You know, eleven million bill eagal alien friends roaming about

from all four corners of the world. I say that it's highly likely we will have some kind of some kind of attack from one of some of these characters. As far as people always so sick of hearing that word martial law, martial law. Now there won't be no martial of law unless first the first we have to be in a state of war. Congress will have had to have declared a state of war, and then the president can only first there has to be good reasons to have martial law unless the war's happening here

in our like the Civil Wars the last time this happened. And even then he has to go to Congress. But Lincoln didn't do it. I know that is because the Confederate Army was literally holding half of Congress behind enemy lines. So he just had to do it. And as soon as the Congress did finally meet, they did vote and make it legal. Okay, Okay, I guess that's what they got to say. Fair enough. All right, So we got a new wireless caller and they're unidentified, so let's see

what they have to say about this. The question caller, by the way, before I take you off hold, is what are your thoughts on the possibility of some sort of terrorist attack due to the tensions that are going on and our circumstance at the moment happening in between now and the selection in twenty twenty four. How will it affect that and what effect might it have? That is the whole of the question the Advance posed to all of us.

So first of all, please identify yourself and then tell us what your thoughts are on that question. Yeah, this is Wilson. I think I'm actually curious what would the situation with the cottage cheese disease be under Marshall Watt. Wow, that's a really good question. Cottage cheese disease. I think that was brought up by Harlan. Yeah, okay, well maybe we should turn to Harlan and ask him about that. I'll put you on hold there, hold on, wireless caller. Let's see Harlan. What would be the cottage

cheese disease situation under martial law. I don't know about under martal law. I mean, you know, and I've heard some stories, you know how it is like, you know, underclothes and you know, drawers and tinies if you will. I'd heard some years ago a friend of mine was talking about his ex wife before last had actually caught clamydia off her ex husband's toilet file. She was there using the bathroom even though he lived, you know, an hour and a half away, and nobody can figure out what she's

doing her. But anyway, he said that it looked like cottage cheese. Okay, rounding down at them, okay, under Marshall law, you know, they may you know, go back to Sarah Karnam, I don't know, no problem, Harlan. I'm putting you back on hold and we'll go back to the wireless caller. Since apparently Harlan has now become our from under cheese expert, I don't know how that happened. But anyway, wireless caller, anything else that you'd like to add? All you? Yeah, No,

that was a great that was a great answer. No, I was genuinely curious about that. And yeah, I think we're ripe for another terrorist attack any moment. Okay, would that be due to the illegals or would that be just because of the tensions in the world. And do you think it would have an effect on the twenty twenty four selection? Is really what Vance was asking. I think it would totally be in line with the selection process, and that's why it would happen at all. So there we go.

I'm going to put you back on hold and go over to Vance and let's see if I can do this quickly enough. So, Vance, what do you think of the answers that went around the horn there? I shouldn't see all those points of view, and you know, I guess I'm I'm more cynical about it like the last the color just mentioned, you know that in my mind it would be you know, part of the the I mean, let me just back up and let it all on the nine. You

know, I believe the the Harmos attacks on you know whatever seven. You know, I think that was a false flag. Okay, so you know that that that's just like they say, Israel's nine to eleven the false flag, just like ours and both of them and uh to whatever degree you know.

Uh So, so that's my ideal is like, you know that when I add up artists, you know, here the border has been open and and everybody's doing anything about it, and that you know, all this pasturing and all the you know, story about you know, nobody knows who these people are and they're all terraces, and you know, lately, the you know, in the recent past, the focus shifted to a big percentage of

these people are military aged men, you know, single men. And then then after the last attack, well it's terrorists, you know, known terrorists

you know, been you know allowed to cross the border. So it just seems like a perfect setup for me to have you know, a terrorist attack you know, kick off over here, and you know, I don't remember the last time that Congress you know, uh, voted to go to any state of war that we've been in since nine eleven, I don't think Congress voted to you know, start the war on terror, which is still ongoing, and possibly you know, we're still under whatever special authority that they had

you know then, which we still are because they keep renew in that Act and all that. So that's what I'm saying. Just seems that it seems

like that makes a whole lot more sense about why that was happening. And so, you know, the economies, you know, in the biggest bubble ever and could you know, crashing any time, so you know, terrorist attack you can go ahead and crash the economy, you know, so that you're you know, we got to ground everybody up with so many you know, billions of people, so we got to shut everything down and start going door to door and picking up illegals and deporting them and putting them in camps.

I'm sorry, you know, That's that's the way my mind goes. I hope that makes sense. Well, I hope that Look, I see that's the way your mind goes. But at the same time, I'm hoping you're wrong, you know, because I don't want to. I don't want to live through that crap that you're describing. But look, I'm gonna put you on hold again and we're gonna take one more break because I can barely

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All up to you, my brother? What do you? Uh? My travel companion who kept me going there in Dallas despite the fact that we both got sick, uh and all that. So uh, where where shall we go now? My friend? Well, you know, we've had a couple of things happen during the week, you know, headline wise. Of course, Santos just got ousted from Congress, which is like the sixth time it's

ever happened since the beginning. I think three of them were during the Civil War because they were actually supporting the South in their efforts, and so it's an interesting thing to happen. It was kind of you know, it was kind of kind of projected. They voted on it twice before and let it drop, and they finally went through with it on this one. But we've

had a few other things that happened. One very interesting story here, the Attorney General of Texas is now seeing Pfizer over their testing of the COVID vaccinations, in that they're going after them basically on a flaud charge. And I was listening to Jesse Case Show the other night and one of the last things

that he had on there was somebody talking about this. Apparently when they came up with the initial vaccine, Piser used this special process of inserting this DNA section of COVID and produced this thing, went through the testing and said, okay, we've got approval. Now. This was during the emergency phase. Then they had to come up with the vaccine to get out to the populace.

And on that one they only tested this vaccine with two hundred and fifty people as opposed to the forty thousand people that they claimed had been tested on or was the requirement for testing. So the Attorney General has kind of gone after them under a fraud charge, false advertisement and then colluding to hide the evidence and suppress discussion online about it. I thought that was very interesting. I'm going to see how that comes out. Another thing that I came across.

Okay, I want to ask you before you move on to the next thing, though, let me ask you something real fast. I know you and I have both been sick this week, so we're talking around our devices about being sick. Probably have you been getting pummeled with the weird ads that are now saying, you know, look, we have an m RNA vaccine, and you know they had to change it, so the scientists have been working so we have a new Corona vaccine. But also we don't just have

the m RNA. We now have a protein based vaccine. They're calling it, uh, which is weird. Uh. Have you been getting those ads where they're trying to sell you the vaccination uh on your YouTube or any of your What I've seen has been uh, get your get your COVID vaccine, when you go to get your flea shot. You can do them both. They won't interact with each other, and it's fine to do. We have a place for you down here, come get it, of course, And

of course governments not for the free vaccines anymore. So yes, they're they're pushing to sell them. It's big business. You look at how much money they've made so far on it, So yeah, they've got it. They've got to push it. Otherwise they're losing a lot of money produced to this stuff and it's sitting on a shelf of fortune. The populace is not really conducive to taking vaccines after all the craft they've been handed over the first one,

so they kind of created their own problem. Should we go to that seeing more of a get your COVID shot just like your flu shot, as if this thing has already been mainstream to the point that they expect people to do it just because the government says do it right. And again, Friday Night's no longer about my opinions. So should we go to the callers about the vaccination situation and the lawsuit in Texas or should we add something else to

you, well, just another headline on that way. The Navy, there's a whistle blow in the US Navy that has exposed a study that they've done, so there's a nine hundred and thirty seven percent surge in heart failure among all of their vaccinated pilots. You know, and that was an issue in

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the year. So it's that simple, okay. Now, the thing that be Pete wanted us to keep in mind is this controversy once again over the vaccination. So Be Pete, who should we go to? We've got, We've got Wilson on one line. We've got Jimmy James, we've got Harlan, and we've got a dvance still, and anybody else could join us at three one nine, five, two seven five zero one six for the home

stretch here of the Friday night open mic. You can join us and we might go a little over if you know, if we need to, but otherwise we're going to probably end in a little less than thirty minutes. So up to you, b Pete, who should we go to? Oh, we can go in the reverse order and start with Wilson and we're going back, all right, Let's get Wilson first, and then I think that would mean that we get a vance after that, and Harlan after that, and

Jimmy James would be last because he was first. So that's the way we're going. So let's go to Wilson first. See what he's got to say about this or anything else. Go ahead, Wilson. Do you guys think that this ties into the mysterious illness out of China right now? Because that's what it sounds like to name. That's an interesting point. I know a lot of people are talking about it in alt media land, for sure, again, not my opinion matters here tonight. But what do you think,

Ppte, I don't know. I've been trying to catch stories on that when to see what's going on there's another respiratory Uh is he running around China? I don't think. I don't think what you and I went through was connected to that. I think it's just a case of too many people in two closer quarters. Well, I think you and I got the flu from mister We got a on the way out, even though we're sick. Guy.

I think that's what we got, is some kind of flu. But outside of that a lot of people have been talking about this and saying, you know, Biden meets with the g over there, right, and the next thing you know is China's reporting that they have some massive pneumonia problem and maybe yet another you know, COVID type issue happening in China exploding again. And does the mainstream pick up on it, not so much, but the alt media screaming about it like, well, maybe it's being weaponized, it's being

staged. Specifically, forget about the terrorist attack before the selection. Maybe it's the bio weapon, in some people's opinions, to bolster the selection process. Maybe put it in a place where we have to do what the mail in ballads again, right, Maybe they'll be masking, maybe they'll be new mandates. This is what the supposition is from many, many who are out there podcasting and such. So I mean, what are your thoughts there? Do do you have any thoughts on that? I mean, I'm just asking the

question the tale on to Wilson here. Well, you know, yet, when we've already had some school systems start trying to mask kids in certain classes, I don't think the public is going to be so quick to put up with this crap. And you're going to see people at schoolboard meetings asking what's going on and why are you doing this? And here's the studies that show it didn't work the first time, why are you trying to do it now? The government may be a little cautious to jump on the bandwagon of pushing

mandates and closures. But I'll go ahead and tell you the girl that's running the what is it word? Not World Health? The was it Health Units Services? No, whatever the medical organization is in the lighthouse, whatever that secretary is, she's leading basically Fauci's whole job. I guess she's leading the way. She was one of the big proponents here in North Carolina that pushed

for mandates and closures and everything else. So just be prepared. If you've got any questions, you can look up what went on in North Carolina during the whole thing and see where her I don't know her ethics come from, let's put it that way, because there wasn't very little shown in this state. They basically shut everything down, put everybody out of work, created a

big blip in the economy, and for what for nothing. So I'm not too fond of their new spokes a lady for the White House on these issues. It's going to be interesting. I think they're going to try to push it, but I don't think I don't think the public is going to put up with it. I think they got their field during the last the last pandemic. Well, I'm thinking because of the last moves to do this, the way it went and the damage to the economy and the fact that we're

still suffering from it, is going to make a lot of peace. People say, you know what, No, I'm thinking that that's going to happen among the general populists because they saw enough businesses die and stuff like that. Here I am with my opinion again. I'm sorry, Wilson back to you on this. Is that an adequate response? And maybe we should pass this around to everybody about this? What do you think about the new thing coming

out of China? What's that got to do with it? But you got any other thoughts before I move on to another caller, because I do want to try and get back around everybody again if I can. Yeah, I'd like to get everyone's take on it. And I think there was reports that some people in Ohio might actually came down with it. I'm not sure high

possibility. So with that v Pete, I'm gonna put Wilson on hold, and we got another wireless caller, So I want to go to that wireless caller and see if I can get their take on this before we jump back to I guess what is it, Harlan the advancing in Ireland? Excuse me? Uh so let's uh, let's do that. So you're a new wireless caller and we are talking about what's going on, you know, in China, and is this uh you know, part of what's going to hit us

next? Are we looking at another viral situation in time for the selection and all that. I guess. Uh, but first, who are you? And uh yeah, go ahead and tell us about what what's going on. Good. Hey, my name is Jay, and thank you for taking my call. I think it's all of the above. I think this is all coming out convenient timing wise. But one thing I wanted to reach back on

and I called in a little late. Uh you all were talking about the mass migration, right and you know, being military age men and stuff like that. I would I would correct and say they're working age men. If you go back and look at you n documents going back decades, they knew somehow, they magically knew that Western nations that were getting heavily vaccinated in the vaccines timed this. They knew that we were going to have declining populations.

If you look at the statistical charts and stuff like that, we have our fertility rates are way way down. We have people that are aging populations. They call them aging they meaning they're not working. And now the government owes them money because they paid into a system that the government can't pay them back for. That's what the vaccines play a role. They have to kind of like kill off the current population and then bring in a new working population.

That's kind of my theory on it. I don't know, I just want to d answers take on that. Now. I appreciate that take because I always see those grander you know, much like the guy who first introduced me to the idea that indeed, you know, part of the purpose for you know, inserting us into Vietnam may have been to reduce the working population so that unemployment wouldn't become as big of an issue as it would become in later

years. I thought that was crazy idea when I first heard it, and then I started looking at the statistics and what it was was being done and what happened to, you know, again the working age man, that that's coming into the job market. And indeed it started to make a little bit of sense. You know, if you redirect them into the military, then you have a jobs program for them, and look if they don't make it back, oh well that means there's you know, more jobs for others.

Right. I mean, that's one way to look at it if you're engineering things. Uh so I've always said about it that way. Yeah, that's a good point. Check bringing them into the military, because if you noticed it all, I think all of these different things play key roles in a grand scheme. And they have got the military, so you know, we're bringing a whole new population. You know, we can we can give you the past for a while, and we can give you some pretty stuff.

But eventually they're going to you know, have them change stilled on their wrist, you know, and there's a fast track. They're becoming the military. You get that green card faster, and yeah, that's a good, a

good thing to take that, you know. Well, and simultaneously, look, if we get involved in certain adventures overseas, whether they're justified or not, if we get involved in enough adventures to thin the population down, well there's a bunch of guys who pay in for a decade or so that never get to collect anything, right, Uh, you know, so just just math. I'm not trying to say that this is, you know, anything

other than math. But I always wonder that, by the way, you know, the amount of people that never quite make it to when they tell me that sold security is broke, I say, okay, I get they could be broke. But same time, what happened to all the money from the people that never got to collect anything, because there's a whole lot of people that never lived to that retirement age, and did they you know,

does their money just completely evaporate. I've always wondered about that. Well, yeah, and that's exactly right, Chuck, right, because I've always said, if a person dies before they reached you know, whatever the payout was, why doesn't that go to their family, you know? Or what if they die in a motorcycle crash or a car crash and they paid in,

where does that money go? And you know, I was doing some research on how long they could sustain of security and we're looking like twenty twenty eight, twenty twenty nine or something before they can't sustain it. That's what they then comes out the credit Jeb, you know, and then all the you know, the elderly and the young. I mean, it's prime. It's it's prime picking to replace the population with some people from a third world nation.

They won't ask questions and just do what you say, Like you said, their military age, they're working age. This is a working populace. This is a you know, a two kid system or you know, I mean, you know, Feudi system. If you will right. No, Jay, all great points. I'm only putting you on hold for times shake because I want to get back around to everybody at least more of at least one more time. So let me try and do that. I believe we're

up to getting vance on the line in reverse order. Is that right? BPTE believe Wait a minute, he came home before halland so oh it should be okay, you got it. I'll put Harlan on next. If I'm incorrect in the order, my mistake. But we're still mixing it up properly. So Harlan, what are your thoughts on what's been brought up so far? And of course we started with the just the lawsuit in Texas and all that, the deception and the interesting things going on. What's gonna, you

know, happen in the future. Do we have a new viral thing happening from China, et cetera. Plus what Jay brought up. What are your thoughts, Harlan, Well, I'll try to go down the list here and hit them mile a little bit. First off, from on the lawsuit down in Texas. You know, that's just something that you know, Nadie debate. I'm glad somebody, did you know, break down and do it.

There was something several months ago, if not last year to or the scientists was bringing a grand jury together, but it was news for a few days and then that just poof. You know, it's got like a fart in the land. I've not heard anything else about it. See now wait wait as well, and real quick, real quick with DeSantis though, is it

more of a political move or was he actually looking to do it? Is my question because yeah, I question everything with him at this point because he's looking to find a way to climb up the ladder as far as you know, his contention for the GOP nomination, right, So, I mean it's you always got to ask that question. Is this, you know, for

the political face or is this for the reality? Don't you think that's a fair question or no, Well, I think there's a very good change that it could have been, you know, for just for politics, because like

I said, I've not heard anything else about it. You would think that the fro the Santus crowd on Twitter would be pumping that if it was going anywhere but here again, you know, folks, you could go google it and pretty much whatever the date is on it add two or three weeks to it, and I've not heard nothing since then, right, I mean it's been a while, right, So go ahead. What else did you have you throw in there? What was about what the collars talking about in the

new alleged you know, Chinese virus. I've not seen anything about that yet. I know before the war broke out in Israel that a lot of the all independent and art media was all had been following its mouth more or less fan probably about a month that you know, lockdowns is coming, blah blah blah, and you know it was it kind of you know, became obvious that that was just you know them mostly click baiting, and that's what it

turned out. I'm not saying, you know, folks, you know, screaming that I ain't kind of putting some of this shit in check, but getting people you know, back ready, but you know, show me, you know what I'm saying, that's that's got to go around me. And if it happens, okay, you know, thank you for trying to warn everybody. If not, well, okay, I guess you had something to

talk about. Yeah, no, I absolutely see what you're saying. There is there was seemingly an intent at first to warn and then after that. I think there was a dog pile afterwards in media land, alleged aut media land, where there was clickbaiting after that because they saw success and you know, some of those guys like Malone and all those, through their substacks, were the first people trying to warn, you know, the typical guys, right, because I get their stuff every day. And yeah, definitely I

think they were fully with the intent to try and warn people. But I think a lot of you know, opinionators out there just piled on. Yeah, I agree with you, so go ahead. Anything else then, well, I definitely want to agree with what the other caller said about working age men. Yes, I think it is more about the working age men versus the military age men. I mean, you know, here again, folks, I'm not saying that something couldn't happen if you look at it on paper.

Yeah, we've got a lot of folks from other countries in there, and from countries that you know doesn't really like the so called American way, even though some of that's because of the hypocrisy of the American way. You know, probably there's a good chance of but you know, I do agree with him. I think a lot it was more about you know, my my private company having you know fresh you know, slave labor versus you know, military age men that you know, we're going to be out here fighting

in the streets. You know that that would not happen in a bigger city. But you know, I don't think it's gonna happen out in the middle of you know, East Tennessee or you know, Missouri, color Rather or whatever. But you know, I, in fact, there's a lot too that. And I also think that that's you know, been the main driver, you know, of the illegals. I mean, Tucker crosses South about it over the years. And you know, Jimmy mentioned earlier about eleven million

illegals. Tony Aardman said within the last year as a listed one of his shows, and he said he'd heard eleven million since he was a kid. Well, I've heard that eleven millian for the last twenty or better. And at the same time this looked this while Biden's been president, how many articles have we seen two hundred and seventy five a week, one hundred thousand a week, fifty thousand a week. You know, hilf a million this month, you know, supposedly just came in. Well did they stop counting alvos?

You know? I mean I would say that he would probably have to be closer to I mean, I'm most say it have to be thirty or forty million. I mean it's a baron bones. I mean I've been, you know, screaming in all eleven. I mean, are they not counting the children? But few? Yeah? No bye by the math. Look you got to keep adding them together, that's true. So and there you have it. So let's go to vance on this next because he's next in

order, right be Pete, there we go, I got advanced. Okay, thank you, sorry, So back to it advance you know here here it is all these considerations. Of course, this is something to be looked at. There there is the fast track for the illegals of course, with you know, going to military service. But I think they're right about this, the the idea that there's going to be I mean, what was the big complaint the past couple of years, right ever since the lockdowns? Not

enough labor? Not enough labor. So what do you do? He got to source it from somewhere at least until AI takes it all over and we have automation eliminate everybody, right Vance? Oops? Wait a second? Oh boy, all right, I thought I clicked Vance on and maybe it's not letting me. Huh, But no, I think I have I'm muted and I'm trying to get there. He goes, Vance, can you hear me now? Yeah? Yeah, you unmuted me and then it went back on,

said back on mute. So I'm sorry how it happened, but sorry about that at any right, you know, the China virus thing or whatever, the new thing over there. I hadn't heard anything until y'all mentioned it. But you know, it seems to me that you know, every year you get a new strain of a new virus, because you know about you know, the whole narrative. So you know, it kind of wreaks some

fear porn to me. And you know, I don't even know part of you determine if you got the flu or if you got COVID, because you know, as far as I know, the test is the same and the test as COVID. I mean, I tested positive for COVID, but I'm

certain I didn't have COVID. Have any respiratory effects or anything. But the test said that I was positive for COVID, right, so you know, I'm I'm I'm still confused about you know, what's the difference in COVID versus the flu, you know, because it seems that the symptoms are all very similar, et cetera. And you know, regardless, regardless, I mean, you know that I don't discount. I'm fully aware that that research for

that dis posed coronavirus technology whatever started here then went to China. So I'm not aboard, do you know? It's all China. You know, perpetrating this on us is some evil plied or whatever. But the you know, regardless of what it is, it seems to me that the vact seen is what's killing more people than anything and harming more people, and so for whatever reason, and for all the reasons, you know, this is basically a

demicide that's going on on all front. You know, there's the demoside with the vaccines, and the demoside with the Israeli stuff and the Ukraine stuff, and you know, we don't really have much industry left here, you know, so it's not like everything ain't already being made in Mexico, and China and you know elsewhere around in the world and Vietnam and everywhere else, and so you know, the you know, I guess we need more road workers

and you know cement finishers and stuff like that, which they've always been available, you know, in the past. But you know, the economy and everything, it's not so much that there's not enough workers. It's just that they've made it to where it's it's you know, for some people, you know, easier not to work than to go and work because you can't really, you know, you go bust your ass on that hot pavement, you know, like I'm sure be peeping. I'm sure they probably pay their guys

good. But you know what I'm saying, I'm digressing here. But the you know, that's that, you know, there's no doubt in my mind that these people know what they're doing. And and you know, the the there needs to be accountability, you know, had for that. And when they keep you know, bringing another new thing up, you know, every every you know, season and whatever, then you know, there's it's real hard for anybody to to I don't know, you know, how do we

make a stand against that? How do we how do we get relief. How do we get someone to go and and and pay attention to the obvious statistics and evidence that these people don't know what they're talking about, have presented. They're just gonna, you know, ignore it and keep you know, doing it again, right, And look, I've got an open mind about all this. I'm gonna put you on hold, but I got an open

mind about all all this. I tend to hear from you that you think the general culling is occurring, and why not use a lot of different methodologies. That's the way I see it too. But you know, I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist. So what can I do anyway? Again, not about my opinion, but b Pete, this is a pretty spirited conversation. I think we got to go to Jimmy James before we go back around to Wilson.

What do you think? Yes, yes, definitely anything you want to add though, before I get to Jimmy, Well, I agree with a

lot of the things that have been said to speak to Vance's point. Yes, it was determined even before the first real big, huge outbreaks when they started talking about COVID, that it was a technology that was being used here in North Carolina, University of North Carolina Med School, they were working on it, and there were several other labs involved at some of these other institutions, some of them governments, some of them educational, And when the band

was put on this experimental gain of function research, they just you know, buttoned up the operation and took their samples with them and went over to Wuhan and that's where it continued. So yeah, it's not just China. I've from the very beginning of this, I've been pointing out to people that this, you know, we've been funding this stuff and we disallowed it to happen

here. So, you know, like all the other clan to sne stuff that we see going on, take it to another country and fund it over there, That's exactly what happened, and it came back to bite us. This recent outbreak I've not heard much on. It's a resptory distress that's going on in China, so I haven't been able to find out more than that,

and it's contained to a couple areas. But you know, some of these people in some of these labs are in China might be the ones that you know, they get told by their boss Okay, you've been exposed to this. Now go hang out at the wet market for a week. So we've got something we can blame it on later when we see the pandem mixed start and I'm wondering if you know the employees are sitting around looking at it. Hey, I had to go start the last pandemic. Gets your turn,

you know, I quit picking on me. Well, fair, if that's what it's coming to. Fair, Yeah, it's a method, right go ahead. Oh no, I'm sorry. What I was gonna do is say we we should get to Jimmy and then allow everybody to get into final word because we're over the two hours and it'll probably take us another half hour to get through everybody's final word, because I want to give everybody a chance. Whs on the line to uh, you know, give us a final

something, let advance promote his podcast, uh, and so on. Harlan will probably have something he wants to drop on us. But before we go there, we got to let Jimmy James chime in on all this and U and also let Jimmy get his final word in when he's done. So, Jimmy, your thoughts on the whole vaccination viral discussion, China, et cetera, et cetera. That's gone on here, and then give us your final

word for the week, and we'll go through everybody after that. All on vaccines, Traditionally I would have said, your children apparently should get the first several the months of rebella, et cetera. But I no longer would even trust them to do that, just my opinion. They bag about how they

could put COVID vaccines in et cetera and other things. So unfortunately, on my recommendation for what it's worth, which is nothing because I'm not a doctor, nonetheless, I would not recommend people get their children vaccinated at all until there's some accountability. It's the vaccine situation now, as far as pants silent Jay and mister Wilson, if it is in detail name various allegations of opening the borders to increase the workforce and then to kill them with the virus.

I guess for some reason. Uh well, of course, of course it's true. Plently, question is isn't it? Is it the insect isoids or the insept zoids, the insect, is it effectoids or the insect? Who's the top man? Is it? The insect is isoids or accept azoids. Could just be the could just be the king of the sociopaths that happens to be at the top of the hill at the moment right Oh, the most crazy. Yeah, so maybe Briden is in charge after all. You not

bad, Jimmy. So there you go. Oh you just rounded it all out perfectly. Any final word you want to put on this one for the week. I just talked everyone a good weekend and it's continue who just support the Ukrain Israel, our allies for God's sake, it's not not our own country. Crumble. Everyone have a good one for Uncle. Yeah, that's gonna be a good one this week, exactly, thank you, Jimmy.

Uh, We're gonna have a good Uncle show this week. We're gonna have a lot of good o'celli stuff and some new op ed pieces coming from some people that are not necessarily part of the network but are gonna contribute to it anyway. So you know, I'm gonna have them contribute at their leisure and we do have new stuff. To sign up for it Ocelly dot com if you want to support and get the entire archive the decades worth of an archive email to you. You just got to figure out a way to become a

supporter at ochelly dot com. Email me if you're already owed in archive because you're on the list. I will be assembling it throughout the month of December. So we'll keep Jimmy on hold just in case we get back around to him for some reason. But what do you think, b Pete, You want me to randomly pull people on and get their final word for the week, whatever it might be. Sure, all right, so let's just roll the dice here on my screen, and looks like I'm going to Harlan first

for his final word of the week. Harlan, it's on you, hey man, it's you can put the monkey on my back. It's all right, all right, Well, if everybody has a good week. Bat one thing left that I've got, says, if we're trying to wind this down, is, you know, back to BP's original storyline about the lost sizer. I actually have a fun that the doctor's even told him that his heart problems he's about forty nine fifty years old, is from getting the jabs.

That's something that's went on here for the last you know, five or six months, so you know, more and more of that stuff is starting to come out. That's just one person that I know that I know that wouldn't lie to me or just get dramatic, just you know, to be getting that way. I mean, this ain't a far left loan that just got you know, a jabbst remorse. I guess you could call it, but

I like that. Sorry, good yeah, yeah, good try you know, I mean, and you know, if you ever come up with the with the cottage Jesus, you may have remore from men jabbed of another nature. But anyway, Jeb, yes, nice, Yeah, a lot of us we're going anyway. I want to just pass it on around and give everybody else a change. So I know there's other collars on there. It's not got to as much as I do. But if you want to check out my new rumble channel, this only has one short video on it.

I'm gonna start doing some streams here and there when I get everything say it up. You know, some of them are just gonna be wide open, just say what you want. You know. Some of them's gonna miss more serious issues of the local nature around my home area. Once I get going, If that doesn't fall through cool Harlan stone forty five. Harlan Stonewall forty five is the Rumble Channel. Yes, all one word. I guess you could say, you know, it's just my profile on there. I've not

looked into actually, you know, starting a channel. You know, yeah, I may just try to just you know, keep it out on there. You go to get intwo or three, it just goes to confusing everybody. And I'm Auso on Twitter, real Harlan and Harlan stone Wall on Facebook. There you go. So we we got a little promo clip and indeed we got Harlan's final word and he is now officially our from under Cheese expert. So let's go to next on the roll of the dice. Wilson is

up next. Wilson, your final word of the week, Avoid the cottage, change disease and vote for Jimmy James. Harlan Stonewall, twenty twenty four. Thanks very much. There it is Wilson with his final word of the week, and let's advance final word of the week. Well, just as everyone else said, have a great weekend, and I don't really come on here to promote my show, which something it's not mine I'm just a guest host, but I guess I'll say anybody that's interested. That's a Saturday night

anarchy show on PMP on Rumble and seven o'clock to usually ten. We went four hours last time and I was about beat after that. But similar conversations to everything here. So you know, if you'd like to call in here, call in over there, and you gotta you have to text her like chat or in the chat, you know, to bring you on. You have to be linked log on through a link. I forget the name of the app that you got to, you know, get a link to to

log on. But if you'll just make comments or whatever, we'll get you in there. And that's live on Rumble and Twitter too, right, I believe it's on Twitter as well. I'm sorry, that's the only place I watch it and I don't do Twitter and all that, so no problem. I'm just trying to help you out, you know, whichever way. Appreciate you for calling in, that's for sure, and uh, you know,

wish you luck with that over there. So that's Van's I think we still have j On well hold on, hold on one second, hear I think we still have j On the line. Let's see that might be Jay. Is that Jay? Hello? Is this Jay? Nope? Oh okay, sorry I rolled the dice and rolled to the wrong line. All right, it looks like we got everybody, Unless you want to go back around, Bpete, it's on you for the final word of the week. Well, you know, the vaccually seasons upon us, and we're going to be dealing

with this for the next few months. It would be curious to see what's going to come out as the main debate debate topic on each side, because, like I said, I don't think the public is ready for another mass clothes or I don't think it's going to get that far. It'll be curious, though, we have the capability of anything hit us. You know, it was this time of year that COVID really started taking off around the world. We didn't really get into it hard until March of the next year.

So who knows what's been released on us up till now. But you know, put your faith in your doctor whatever he tells you. I'm not going to be getting any vaccines from anybody anytime soon, regardless of the situation. So we'll see how it carries out. We're at the beginning of the flu season. Let's see how bad it gets. Other than that, you know, never trust the government, especially in the next year, because they're going to be pulling this way and that to try to get a decision out of

you. It's a shame. We don't have any better choices than we have. But we're going to have a long year ahead of us. Starting in January, they're gonna start pounding this left right left right, left right. I would advise everybody to cut the cable, cut the TV off, get as far away from it as you can, because you're going to be politically

added to death. And it's unfortunate that that's how our system works, but it's the only system we got right now, until some people come to in their senses, we get rid of some of the blockages towards modernity that we've got in our Congress, in our Senate, right, you know, So just keep your chin up over the next year. If you get sick, pump the vitamin C, you know, drink plenty of fluids, get plenty of rest, and we'll make it through this exactly. Well, look,

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