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Anyway. I'm not trying to rhyme. It's just happening, all right. Anyways, I got puppies over on the side, So if you hear little scree squeaks and stuff, I can't help it. But that's not the
feature for the show today, guys. And we're also recording videos, so if you're seeing us on Rumble rockfin whatever, Hi, you're getting a look at my face and you're gonna look at a couple other guys too, and we're gonna have some fun talking about the JFK assassination for a couple of minutes and the upcoming conference between the seven venteenth and the nineteenth of November in Dallas, Texas at the Lorenzo Hotel. I keep wanting to say Motel Hotel,
the Lorenzo Hotel. There the seventeenth through the nineteenth JFK Lancer November in Dallas, and yeah, I will be the MC there, introducing people in the breakout room, et cetera, et cetera. Still looking at whether I'm going to do a live broadcast, but we shall see two other guys involved in this particular event and also involved in the case when it comes to JFK are
with me today. Damn it, there's that rhyman thing again. Anyways, Rob Clark, the guy from The Lone Gunman, and Hey, Doug Campbell with us. Now. Doug is a little more of a rare quantity because I don't think. I don't think, Doug, you've been on my show yet, have you? I'd never had, no, sir, No, see not. Rob has joined us for JFK myth shows. He's brought some of the cool stuff l Ron Hubbard and all that madness onto an old myths show. I love it. Loads of fun and by the way, the
myths are coming back around and who knows what's being challenged. Hey, I'm gonna be in the same room with a prayer man guy actually in Dallas anyway, But I won't be nowhere near Judy unless we decide to invader conference and see if we can sell wall Brown's books outside of her hotel, which we might do. Judith very Baker, in her own words, I'm not copies of those, Oh wow, yeah, I'm gonna have a case of those. Copies of those in Dallas, by the way. Some I might give
away for supporters. Some I might offer to sell to somebody if you really want one, and we might offer to sell them to some Judy fans outside of her conference. We're thinking about a way to pull that off anyhow. It is what it is, So let's get to it. The lone Gunman, Dallas action, quick hits, and the O'Kelly effect all on one show, and I'm gonna shut up real soon. Rob. First, Let's start
with you, man, how you doing. Haven't talked to you in a while, you know, I am, by the way talking to Carmine again, just so you know, you and I had a little back and forth regarding Carmine. He's feeling better and he's been back on my show recently, so you know, just to clear that up, because people had questions about that the last time that you and I talked. So yeah, yeah, Now I've been good man, just staying busy, staying with the show.
He banged the show out, doing some research in the background of things. I've been talking to Carmine as well. He's gonna be coming on the Lone Gum in December. It's good to see him back. We're gonna piss off some Australians and see see how he's doing. But yeah, looking forward to it. Bringing the old gang back together, right and a good thing. He's going to be making a presentation at Lancer too, and so are you. So can you give us a little preview about who the Martins are before
I get over to Doug and talk to him some too. But can you give us a little preview about that, because that's the way I see it listed on their site, something having to do with the Martin So are we talking about the witnesses to the assassination or are we talking about somebody else? Who are we talking about? Uh? It was just a very generic,
vague title to the presentation. I guess you would call it. You know, we just we stumbled upon a pattern and something we noticed with things or people associated with the assassination with the name JA first name Jay or middle name J. Martin, not not F. Martin, not P. Martin,
not you know, L. Martin, just J. Martin. And we came across thirty of these people, and so we started doing some deep dives on some certain ones because some of them are just ancillary uh characters, their coincidences there, you know, things like Oswald's principal at Beauregard was a was a was a John G. Mar Martin, and you know, like the guy that took Marina and her family in is James Herbert Martin. We have we have two John Martin's who filmed films related to the assassination, one in
Dealey Plaza and one of Oswald in New Orleans and Walker's House. Wasn't we just wasn't we just? Uh? Yeah? Wasn't there a Martin on the DCA group to the Dallas Cinema Associates. Wasn't their guy named Martin there? Or am I mistaken? Yeah? That's one of the guys that did a Dally Plaza film. He was That was John Martin Junior. He worked at the Postal Annex building there with Harry Holmes, and uh, yeah, yeah, he was. He was definitely one of them small small world. So,
Doug, were you you were involved in this too? I mean, were you part of the genesis of this one? It was like, holy crap, why do we have so many people named Martin and in fact with the first letter jay here like in this nexus? Were you involved in the initial part of it? Because that's usually the kind of thing that I know, Rob just sort of finds all the time. I don't know, in the way his mind works, it's just the way it is. But I
mean, were you involved in the beginning of this too? No? Actually, we unless not really, people would be surprised. I think that Rob and I communicate every day, several times a day, but how little we actually communicate about research. You know, it's always other things. He's got of got his circle and I got mine. But no, this is we've both been very interested and very intrigued by the possibilities and the things that are suggested by the John T. Martin film for years, you know, and
I think that was probably part of the genesis. But Robin, I've been discussing that for a decade now. You know that that's probably a very important there's no coincidence what that film's about. But now, man, this is Rob's project, dude, him and his buddy, him and his research partner
Joe BURRELLI put this together, right. I was going to mention that is that actually Joe Brelli is listed there on the presentation for the Martins thing, and I don't know Joe BURRELLI, you know again, I know it sounds crazy, but I don't listen to everybody's podcasts and I don't necessarily keep track of everybody's research because I usually got my head in my own circle of nonsense, so you know, it's hard to pull it out sometimes, you know
about this? Yeah, I know that's awfully suggestive, but anyway, yeah, good. Uh but Brelli, I don't know him, So I mean, could could one of you guys give me an idea about you know who Joe is? And uh, you know again, apologies. Maybe I should have heard of him by now, but I haven't. And we actually met
Joe. He was emailing quick hits, okay, with investigatory leads, you know, we would get suddenly he was a listener, and he would email and it would be three four, five paragraphs log of just great information, you know, fantastic research. Eks. Yeah, so I hooked up with him and and you know, he kind of noticed this pattern of of of
you know, the Jay Martin deal. So we just kind of hooked up and for the past year and a half we've been diving really hard into a lot of these different uh Martin's is associated with the assassination and found some new information, uh, some relative revelatory if you want to call it that information
on some of these guys. Of course, for the Lancer presentation, we couldn't go you know, balls out for it because we only have an hour, So you know, we picked a couple and and and hit some highlights of them, and then moving forward after Lancer on the Lone Cooming podcast, we're gonna be taking it live on YouTube and we're gonna be going in depth and doing in depth shows on this stuff until we run out of material.
But just for instance, you know, like I could do an hour just looking at John T. Martin at the University of Minnesota in nineteen sixty eight when he was meeting with Schoener and Wiseberg. Because the providence of the John T. Martin film, it's very interesting Chuck. So if you go to the sixth Floor Museum, that's really the only place that you can find it
online. And apparently this guy, John T. Martin turned his film over to Gary Mack in two thousand and seven, and it was under the auspices that he never be contacted again and nobody could ever give out his contact information. Okay, So add and he thought this guy thought he was handing Gary Mack his original film that he took in nineteen sixty three. But what's interesting about the film that's at the sixth Floor Museum now is it has a date
code stamped on the film. And the date code is nineteen seventy seven. Wow, Okay, which means that somebody at the HSCA made a copy of this film and gave the copy back to John T. Martin, and then he kept the original. You know, the original is not in Nara at all. You know this is familiar. Guys, think about our friend Gail Nicks Jackson there you go and the Knicks fill. We have no idea where the camera original is. Nobody knows. See now there are a bunch of
filings right now. That's the thing, Doug. You know, maybe you could list a couple more for listeners out there that don't necessarily realize, and they're probably going, well, what the hell's the difference if you've got a copy or you got the original. Believe me, there is an importance to this and a pattern in the evidence. I'm telling the listeners this, not you guys. You guys know this. But the thing is, there's this pattern of, gee, we don't know if these things are the original prints.
So that leads us to wonder what happened to all the originals? First of all, it leads us to wonder, and in a lot of cases, sometimes the HSCA is involved, so you got government agencies involved. But in other cases it's a weird story. I talked to I haven't talked to Gale in some years, but I love book, I love the quest for
the film. Obviously I still support her whether she wants to talk to me or not, whatever the cause is there, But I mean, it's a weird thing where they don't know where her grandfather's film is, and she's not the only one. There are many films, right, so Doug, maybe give people an idea about a couple other films that have also kind of you know, gone in weird places. I can think of the most famous example that I still question and it's not because I think the film is fabricated.
No, No, not going there, But I am saying that even the Zubruter film, if you take a look at what is extent at the National Archives, it is questionable as to whether that is anywhere near the original because of the strange markings on the film. And this is a pattern that has recurred with all these films. Go ahead and tell us the Zupruter film. Man, Me and Rob saw something crazy in DC a few years ago. I can't even remember what were the names Rob, the people that were in
this thing. Uh, I couldn't I couldn't even tell you. Sydney and somebody, somebody or somebody, but they were they referred to as the Hollyday Yeah, Hollywood group. Okay, I'm familiar with, all right, yeah, yeah yeah. And we saw some uh what they you know, alleged to be some of their preliminary work on the Suprudor film. And then you know, me and Rob, well we walked away from there that night and I was like, man, if that's real, that's crazy. Yeah,
that uh it looked like a black sharpie attack. Now what somebody said that night rob the back, Yeah, the back of the head specifically, right, is it's like crazy, it's so dark, it doesn't look natural. Uh. And here's the thing about that is where is their work right now? Because I haven't seen it publicly displayed? You do you guys even know
where that is? No clue, no clue, man. They never came out like once a year we were like wow, man, another year we never heard anything about that, you know, and everybody that was that was at that conference we went to was very excited about it, you know, and it certainly had us intrigued whether there's anything to do in years ago. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, whether if there's anything to it or not. It certainly had us kind of like wow, right. Yeah.
The first time I heard about this is when Doug Horn put out that five volume set, right, and he mentioned that there were people that were working on this and they were film professionals. And meanwhile, again, folks, you the listeners out there, again, this is one film. It is the biggest one, it is the most well known one. But this is just one example of the strangeness that's gone on here. Where people have gone to study these things, and even the study groups seem to I don't
know what happened, you know, it's just kind of poof. You don't even know what happens to these things. And eventually, like you guys said, you're looking at a film. The guy thinks he's turning over his film. But what was returned by the HSCA. I mean, whether it's the nixt film or the Pascal film, or it's you know, and any of them, any of them. It seems like people have handled these things and who knows where the hell all the originals are now. It's crazy, isn't
it. Who knows? Who knows how many disappeared that we, like the research community or the public never knew about. Have you ever heard the story of the guy named Robert Croft? It's a familiar go ahead, tell us, yeah. Robert Croft lived in Denver, Colorado, and he was a missionary and he was a photography like an a photography. It's sort of like an amateur photographer, aboff, you know, hobbyist, and he was doing
missionary work. Walk Brown, doctor Walt Brown, actually writes about this, and we talked about it a couple of times but that's that's where I must have read about it before. Go ahead, Yeah. Yeah. So he's doing missionary work in the Ozark Mountains, like Oklahoma, you know that area. And he's on the train and he gets off the train in Dallas and there's like a lay over there at the train station, and he asked, what's what's all the hubbub? Right, Well, the President's gonna come by.
Oh great, I'll take some pictures. And this is according to Croft. He goes down to d Lee Plaza, short walk, you know, okay, and he takes three to four photographs and he's pretty sure he got the headshot, right, okay, and all the pandemonium happens. He looks at his watch, Oh shit, I'm gonna miss the train, runs back to the train station, jumps on the train, goes home to Denver, right, and within twenty four hours there's a knock on his door. You
know, got a military uniform. We need your film, right, thank you very much, you'll get it back. He never got it back, you know, but according to Croft, you know, how did that all? I went straight to the train. I went straight to a train and jumped on a train and got off the train. Station at home and went home. And doctor Brown says, unless somebody jumped on that train with him and followed him out of Daley Plasma, you know, there's no way that's
going to happen. But I agree with doctor Brown. That's a hell of a story, you know, is it true? I don't know. Well, you know it's weird, you know, pay from craft. But you know, where's his film? What's on his film? Right? Well, there was a bunch of pictures there. There's also the story of a couple of ladies who went and had stuff developed at a drug store and they told him the pictures didn't come out, they walked away. You know, there's
stuff like that. I'm wondering if this guy got on the same train that the military intelligence guy got on, because remember that whole story, the guy Powell that we've always asked about, like why the hell was he there? Why does he have a picture of the school book depository? Part he was in the school book depository? Yeah, and you know part of his story. Wasn't part of his story that he jumped right on a train and left town. Also, wasn't he one of those guys who did that? Is
that I don't recall. Yeah, I'm like I'm saying, but you see, but this is the weird thing about it is there are so many stories of films that have seemed to have disappeared. Now again, I'm not on board with the people that say, you know, all this stuff was altered and all that, but they had a hell of a dragnet out there where
they seem to capture a whole lot of films. And today none of us, as far as I know, has a hold of the original films, not even Robert Groden, who, as you know, probably one of the
best collections or had one of the best collections, or whoever else. I don't you know, not making comments here, I'm just saying he's one of the guys who brought most of those films to us in the eighties, even on home video, right, and even his films he had earlier copies of this than that black and white version of something that was broadcast on TV. I think the much more film right, bunch of different things he had that nobody else had, and yet he doesn't have the originals. And he worked
for the HSCA. See what I mean. The reason it's important, like the Martin film and the Knicks film, you know, is that if we don't have the original, we can't trust that what we're looking at is the truth, right, yeah, because there are anomalies, you know, like, yeah, see, it's not about alteration. Now. A lot of people would go, well, oh, you guys are gonna get on the
alteration track. You don't even need to go there, because Rob, you and I both know that the original prints of those films are literally going to contain some information that the copies will not have. There's a bit more detail in there. It's not a small thing like oh what, you definitely get the right color. No, it's not about the color. There's literally information that can be drawn out of chemical prints of film that I think a lot
of people don't recognize anymore because it's a pass a thing. I mean, nobody uses chemical film anymore. Everything is digital now, right, so nobody even thinks of this. But I mean, Rob, maybe you could give people an appreciation for why it's so important to get these originals and the type of information. Literally, we could take measurements out of some of those films and get a three dimensional understanding out of the two dimensional image. I think
people don't understand how that works with this guy stuff. What do you think about that, Rob, Well, like just the John T. Martin film for example, you know one of the big things with Wisberg and Schoener who were there at the time that met with John T. Martin at the University of Minnesota, who got copies of his movie straight from him, right they would They asserted that Martin thought because Martin turned voluntarily turned his film over to
the FBI in December of nineteen sixty three because it contained Oswald, and he felt that when he got his film back at the end of January in nineteen sixty four, that it had been edited and that part of the film was also captured on film by another family called the Doyle family, who were in New Orleans at the same time and who happened to catch this street fright between
Carlos Brenier and Oswald. And interestingly enough, they said, because there was multiple members of their family there, that there was somebody else there with Oswald wearing a placard and handing out these fair Play for Cuba Committee leaflets that was not in the film, like there was somebody with him. And they also turned their film over to the FBI and also felt that the film that they got back had been edited to remove this person. So that becomes a big
question, you know. And then later on in the seventies and eighties, when you read descriptions like Out of John Woods, the third book about the films and photos, you know, it says something about it contains pictures of the bullet hole in General Walker's wall. Okay, you know, above the desk where he was sitting. But in the film that we have today at the six or Flour Museum, that is not in there. So there's questions
about why things are missing. And it's important, you know, when you're trying to figure the stuff like this out, because okay, like we did a deep dive into John T. Martin and who this guy was, right, and we dispelled some myths surrounding who people thought he was. And you know, if you have shots of the interior of General Walker's house, that means you were in his house, right, So this ride seventeen year old kid was in his house. So if you're in General Walker's house, you
talking to the man? Yeah, okay, Now, how conversation normally goes between people, So you're visiting someone, you're meeting them for the first time. We figured that they probably had corresponded before since they were both part of the Mini Men organization. And this kid looked up to General Walker and he knew he was going to Dallas on a family vacation, so he was probably writing with General Walker. Decided to let him know, Hey, you know, I like to come meet you. Blah blah blah. So he went
to meet him. Walker took him in his house. They had a conversation. Maybe the kids said, oh, yeah, we're going to New Orleans next. Oh you are, well, why don't you look up my buddy, SAME's guy Banister when you get there. You know, he's a min and men as well. He's got similar right wing attitudes and beliefs, right,
you know. And maybe when he this kid got to New Orleans, Banish said, hey, you know what too, me a favorite since she got to that movie camera, why don't you head over there and tape this guy. There's gonna be a big old fight over there. You won't want to miss it. Well, you know, hold on something like that, because the odds of this happening on the same role of film right utanically is like a gazillion to one. Well, that's where I was going to ask
you about. Is you know, first of all, this is pretty crazy to put because these you know, it's not like the days when we had BHS camp quarters and you could record several hours on a tape. You're talking about something where you had like, you know what, what's the maximum they had back then? Twenty five minutes maybe? Is that what? Maybe back then maximum and a lot of films were shorter than that. Your spools a
film that you bought number one, number two. The type of relationship you got to have with somebody to have a camera and filming in their house in the nineteen sixties, it's not nobody. Yeah, somebody like Walker who right, people are taking potshots at him, you know, right, he's incited race riots, such a polarizing figure. He's just gonna let anybody in his
house to film. Yeah, that's what you're saying. That's why I loved what Greg Dudina did with this recently, where he was tracking down some stuff. I'm sure you guys are aware of that, right about the Walkers shooting and figuring out about the cars that were seeing that were present there and stuff. Have you guys looked at you. Yeah, he'll be another guy presenting at Lancer too, by the way, But and I'm looking forward. I've actually been asked to be on the Walker panel, which is funny, but
I plan to just kind of help run that. But anyways, it's just there, there are so many unanswered questions, and even if you just stay on the films, which, by the way, here's another thing. The youngest presenter ever at one of these places, at any of these conferences I've ever seen, is going to be there too. I don't know if you
guys are aware of that guy. His name is Alex Harris. Harris, Yes, well, he told me that he's I think his presentation, part of it is going to be on the DCA, the Dallas Cinema Associates film which this all kind of links together. Now, nobody planned this, by the way, guys, I know that nobody. You know, listeners are going, what do these guys all get together and plan this? It seems to me like everybody had their own separate agendas and they're sort of coming together
in a weird way. There's a couple of subsets of presentations here, So I don't know if you were aware of that. Guys. But yes, it's hilarious, juke. I'm on the I'm on the Walker panel as well. Excellent you and I together. Yeah, And I've been working with Alex for a couple of months, you know, behind the scenes with questions about films, because, believe it or not, for a thirteen year old kid, he is very knowledgeable on films and cameras and stuff from that period,
you know. And you know, we were trying to figure out because when we looked at the John T. Martin film itself and you actually look and see what's on there, it cuts from a statue in Lafayette Park right in New Orleans to the street fight on Canal Street. So if you open up a map and you look and you see where Lafayette Park is, it is eight or nine blocks up Decatur Street, okay, away from the corner of Decaturing Canal, which is where Brignier's store was. The Habana Bar was a
couple of doors down from that. And the myth was that, you know, this kid heard this commotion going on on the next street over and ran over and and you know, captured this moment on film of Oswald in the street fight. But the last clip on his reel of film is eight or nine blocks away from the corner. And then once you turned that corner of Canal, you got to go up another three or four blocks to where this street frack has actually happened. Okay, so there's no way he could have
heard it from thirteen blocks away, you know what I mean? It seems like very credible. Did he Yeah, it doesn't seem very credible. Did he just happened to wander up there? I mean, right without gun without gun shots being fired, I'm not thinking my attention is going to be pulled that far away what you're describing eight or nine blocks in New Orleans. I mean, if there were gun shots, maybe I might hear gun I'm hearing a pop over there, you know what I mean, and I could go
down. I could see my attention being drawn. But another thing about this is do we know exactly what kind of camera he had? Are we certain about the type of camera? Uh? And therefore, you know, did he have to wind it? Do we know about the mechanism? You know, what kind of shape it was in or anything like that, because this could also explain why some of the cuts look the way they do in some
of the films. And Alex by the way, for the record, is extremely knowledgeable, more knowledgeable actually on the films and things than a lot of people that I know that have written part of their books based on it, to be honest with you. And yeah, indeed, by the time we do the by the time we do the conference, he'll be fourteen. And look, I'm very critical of people calling themselves experts or even presenting themselves as to have a level of knowledge to be worth your time. Okay, this
is I'm a little rough on people. Alex is Man is qualified to do this to my satisfaction based on what my interactions with him. I'm sure Rob you would agree. Yes, it's a rare situation anyway. I just wanted to get that real clear because I had him as a guest on my show. I think I'm the first person to put him on as a podcast guest and going to be happy to hear from him again in the future. Extremely interesting work. I can't wait to see what he does with the DCA film.
Anyway. I know I went into a little thing there and I cut you off. But we're gonna get done with this pretty soon, and I want to get around to a couple of things real fast. Rob is going to be presenting on pre recorded presentation, but Doug and I will be present at the Lancer conference. So, like you just said, we're both gonna be sitting on the Walker panel. I'm just hoping to help control the situation a little bit because my knowledge on it is okay, but it's not up
to an expert level. I would not try to do a Walker presentation all by myself, not as either you know, yeah, go ahead. I was gonna say, He's always been a focal point for me, you know, an interest of mine Walker, But I wouldn't I wouldn't call myself an expert by any means any stretch. Our friend David Boylan, who is a really good friend of mine, He's gonna be on the panel as well.
And uh, don't be surprised, David, if I just defer to you a lot, Sorry, buddy, David Boylan will be presenting with Larry Hancock, uh at another at another point, not just on the Walker panel boiling He'll be y yeah right, so, uh, and we all know if you're presenting with Larry Hancock, you've got something to say. Uh. So I believe The presentation is called Entangling Oswald, and I think it's Friday night.
David is doing a solo presentation on the audio incident Sylvia Odio and uh the Leon Oswald thing as well that night, right, which which I know was something that fascinated Rob for quite a while. Uh, the Oudio thing for a bit. I don't know how long your fascination was with it, but it seemed to me like you kind of got stuck on that for a bit. I don't know what you know, if you know anything about what's what's going to be presented there, but that's always an interesting story regarding Sylvia
Odio. Also, just a really quick announcement for everybody is I'll be the uh, I'll be the future guest on Coast to Coast AM on the eighteenth, so that Saturday night, in the middle of the conference. Sadly, I was hoping to get on there before the conference so I could promote it, you know, and not just say hey, come down on Sunday and see the rest of it. But I'm gonna be on Coast to Coast AM
from ten to midnight Pacific time. I think that's for how they have me booked as the JFK guest that night, Richard Sarah will be interviewing me, so well, very cool man, very cool. That's awesome, But I keep any time I do a JFK show. Now I want to announce that to let people know because I'd really love it if you guys were among the people listening. I'm sure some callers are going to break my balls and I'm ready for it. Let's go, because they never had a JFK related guest
like me before. I promise you that. So anyway, enough out of me and what I'm trying to promote with the last couple of minutes here, I want you guys to, you know, not only plug your shows, which as far as I know, you guys have three of them all together, between The Lone Gunmen, the Dallas Action and the Quick Hits, and uh maybe we should. I mean, my listeners should be familiar with Rob.
But I'll give you guys links in the show description to go check out the Loan Gunman, to go check out Dallas Action and Quick Hits one way or another. Plus, I've actually got some T shirts that that have all three of the show's logos on them that I had printed that this is I'm gonna have some of those at the conference. I got one hit out Rob
already too. And I know there's a couple of you that that that told me you wanted them, that you're gonna be at the conference, then you're gonna be able to get one because Sulso got the conference listed on it limited run and I got all big sizes for everybody, so just so you know, because I need a stupid at least the two or three X just to long Torso, and I'm not exactly a lightweight, so you know I need
the big shirt. I figure everybody can use the big shirt, and worse comes the worse, give it to your girlfriend, let her use it as a night count. Anyways, it's We're gonna definitely do this. It's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to meeting with Doug because I
don't think I've ever met Doug face to face. I don't think we've ever run into each other anywhere, and I don't think so, man, No, huh, gonna be A's gonna be a lot of people I'm running into for the first time, and it's gonna be good to see Larry Hancock Man it's gonna be a lot of fun. Homie I happen to know and Rob and I talked about this on the quick Hits we recorded earlier. In in person, there's gonna be a lot of people took. In person attendance is
sold out. Oh I didn't know that. Yes, completely sold out. Literally, they sold every ticket that the hotel and fire Marshall would allow it. So if you want tickets to see Lancer, you're gonna have to go to Assassination Conference dot com and get the video presentation. Nice nice virtual attendance. And guys, they do stream the conference. You can watch it from the comfort of your own home. There's a feed for that. Uh, there's a stream at once and that think there's another level. It's like a
twenty dollars more something. You can have access to the presentations online for thirty days and then there's a premium level I believe where you get you know, you can download him, but check it out. There's gonna be a lot a lot going on at JFK Lancer November in Dallas twenty twenty three this year. Like ra He's gonna be going on, Chuck, Chuck's gonna be going on it's gonna be great, right, plus Doug Campbell. I mean again, you don't get the three of us in one spot ever, so,
and we're really the side attractions. You got a whole bunch of people going on here, a lot of interesting So I'm really anxious to see what Alex is gonna bring to the table. I'm really anxious to see what David Boylin's gonna do. We also got I think Jeff Morley is still slated to do something. We got. I mean, please, we got all these guys on there. There's a big list and definitely worth it. Now. I wasn't aware it was sold out, thankfully. I've got a couple of reservations
for a couple of spots for people. Then I had to do that. But here we are. Yeah, that just that just uh. I learned that this week from some folks at Lancer and they're pretty excited about that, which they should be. That's pretty neat, pretty good. Yeah, it's gonna be great, gonna be a lot of fund a lot of a lot of new stuff to learn, and uh, you know when else are you gonna get it up? A photo op with the Ocelli effect and the Dallas action in the same spot. I mean, how does that happen? Right
there? You go and you can definitely look. I I'll autograph whatever you want to. And I'm also gonna have some books to give away a bunch of things I'm gonna give away at the conference, uh for people that support the show. Especially uh So, if you're there and you want to support chip in, help me help me eat while I'm there for the weekend, because I'm going in there probably with just enough money to get by. Uh So you do that, I will hook you up. I got wall Brown's
book with me. I got a whole bunch of copies of those, which is the Judithry Baker book. I've got books by Larry Hancock, books by Michael Swanson, books by William Law, a bunch of people's books that you would definitely want that I'm willing to hand you for just a little bit of support or hey, come by and say hello, So hey, you know here you go. You mentioned you mentioned Mike Swanson, and we would be
remiss if we didn't do this when we had an opportunity. You know, you and I chatting for the first time and Rob here to thank Wall Street window. We share a title sponsor's right, and I want to take this opportunity to make sure that to give all gratitude to Wall Street Window and Mike Swanson for all they do to keep the Dallas Action going, all the support over the years in many many ways. I'm sure you feel the same way, but I thought we would we need to take an opportunity to do that.
Thank you very much. Absolutely no, I can't can't say it enough times and I say it all the time. There would be no o'celly effect without Mike Swanson's support. Uh, And that's a guarantee. It's I you know, I appreciate the listener support, but you guys have come and gone some of you, uh, and Mike has been there for us and kept us going. There was no way I would have survived doing this as long as I have without Mike Swanson. His contributions intellectually and otherwise have kept this
thing going. That's why you hear it at the top of the show. You know we're supported by Wall Street Window and listeners like you, which you know that is absolutely true. And Mike is a listener. So also thanks to Mike just for that. And I was a reader of his before he was a sponsor and all that. I support his books because I believe in the way he writes the information he puts out and I'm looking forward to the next book in his Vietnam series too, to be honest. And I'm not
just saying that because he's a supporter. I told him, I said, you know, Mike, if you send me a book and it sucks, I'm gonna tell you it sucks, but me, some people might not. I'm I'm stupid, dude. Beyond that, though, I mean, let me echo what you said. There would be no the Dallas action presented by Wall Street Window without Mike support, as you know, like you and uh,
hey, he's more than that. He's a friend, you know, and he too will be at Lance from which I'm extremely excited about absolutely. You know. Yeah, man, we get to we get to we'll make a Wall Street window picture the three of us look with that. We should definitely do that, uh you know we Yeah, we won't have Rob with us, but we can, you know, get him on the screen there. Somebody can hold up a laptop with him on it. Right, bottle of hot sauce for me. They are gonna fix what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna get him on FaceTime and set him in the middle of it like that. The seat next to me at the banquet excellent. Well, yeah, we're all going to the banquet too. Anyway, Look the Dallas Action JFK quick hits. You can find all this stuff on Apple. I know that that's an easily accessible if you want to get it on the top of Dallas Action, you won't no Dallas Action. What do you about old really?
Yeah, Hey, here's what I know. My my spreaker analytics always show hits on Apple, right, okay, but but then other people tell me they can't find it on there, so I don't know. Okay, Well, look the Lone Gunman. And by the way, I think The Lone Gunman might exist without Mike Swanson because Rob's crazy. Uh. And I say that with love, Rob, just saying I'm here. You're nuts. I love you. I love you. You're You're one of the craziest guys
that is a podcaster and is also highly intelligent. I love you. That's all there is to do. I love this guy. Anyways, and I know he'd exist and he'd be making noise regardless of who was around and even if nobody listened to him, he'd still be doing it. So, uh, but I know it's a very popular show I don't like, but go ahead and tell people where they can find it, because I know, I know we can get The Lone Gunman and Quick Hits on Apple for sure.
Uh, but go go ahead and tell them where they can get it, Rob or you know, take a turn. Go ahead and tell us, Yeah, you can find my stuff anywhere you listen to podcasts. It is literally everywhere, Like I want to know where you can't listen to me at okay, on social media you can generally find me under the moniker at the Loane gum and seven. Also head to the YouTube channel the Loan gum And podcast make sure you subscribe and ring the bell to get notified. Because after
Lancer the show will be going live on YouTube. There will still be an audio stream of course, coming out through spreaker, but the show is going to be live once a week on YouTube and maybe more than that we will see, but that's the plan for now for both shows, the Lone gum And podcasts and also Quick Hits. You can find that on any feed anywhere, right and look I'm hoping that you do well on YouTube. I got my ass kicked off in there, but you know, I hope that they
do not kick you off. Tried do you already? And I haven't even got on there yet. Wow. Yeah, I'm jumping through the hoops currently. And they already with him, dude, They already inffing with him, and he hadn't even started. Mirror your stuff on rumble or something. Man, get it, get it rolling over there. Make sure you got you got a plan. Okay, don't worry, because I did not like losing
mine after fifteen years of being on YouTube. I mean, I started a channel in two thousand and eight, and they killed me finally and completely in twenty twenty two, I think, you know, after demonetizing me, screwing with me, taking away my channel, I got it back on a p oh blah blah blah blah blah, and you know what, finally they put me to complete rest and destroyed my channel, which had well over a thousand different pieces on it twenty twenty two. So don't let it happen to you.
Please mirror your stuff from them. Yeah, okay, anyways, guys, look, I'm gonna close this out and again we're gonna give you the links in the show notes so you can go and find And I just went to go look to see Dallas Action on Apple because I could have swore I saw it there, and guess what, it's not there. But it is on Speaker. Uh, it is on Deezer. It is on Spotify. Apparently. Let's see what else. There's a bunch of places parents Amazon,
it on Amazon Prime and Spotify and a lot of Spotify. And hey, Alexi played the Oh boy, hey Alexa play the Dallas Action. That'll work that way, can you ask? Yeah? Well, now, now come on, really, is is Alexa tiede to facial recognition? Because if that's the case, I'm in trouble. I got a face for radio. I know it, Me too, man, me too. Now, Rob though, look at it, beautiful bastard, look at it. Rob. Rob's a movie star. What are you gonna do? He's uh what what?
What movie is coming out with this guy's face? I'm telling you he's right there. He's Liam Neeson's henchman in the next movie. Whatever the hell it is? How about that? What do you say? Yeah? Either that or he's going to be a new Marvel villain. I think I'm Marble villain. He looks like a Marble Villain man. Our dynamic is that Gester to his Marshall villain. That's our dynamic. That's how it works. Well,
there you have it, and I couldn't have said it any better. So the Ocelli effect is done, guys, and so no matter who you are, where you are, when you are. I want you to check out the Dallas Action, JFK Quick Hits and of course the Lone Gunman podcast. But no matter who you are, where you are, when you are, remember this, I am nearly o'celly. Paul of you are add the effect. Take care,