The Ochelli Effect 11-24-2023 Open Mic

The Ochili Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet Window dot com and listeners like you, Yeah and now in our media chill November twenty four, twenty twenty three, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar as I'm going live here, so we haven't been doing live shows in over a week, uh here on o'ceelly dot com. But that's changing and a lot of things are changing at o'celly dot com. It's gonna be a lot of fun coming back from the

Dallas trip. And I'm also gonna make changes to to lineups, et cetera. A couple of people I had in mind to do shows, maybe they're not going to do shows, but that's okay. That leaves us up open open territory. We'll do some different stuff with these other nights on the network, and it's gonna get weird. So yeah, twenty twenty four, it's gonna be a different year. And for starters, tell you what. This Friday night open mic where you can call in three one nine, five two

seven, five zero one six is the number to call. I want you to join us. I want you to join us with whatever you got. And I made a decision over this weekend and I was away the last weekend, and that is that. Uh, my opinion no longer matters on the Friday night show. I don't want to get my opinion on this show. I want to focus on you guys and let Bpete say whatever the hell he wants. Matter of fact, I think Vpete needs a better co host than

me. I would love for somebody to step forward and become a co host with Vpte. I'll produce the show, no problem, It'll still be the same thing. I'll participate a little bit. We can have fun with it. I would love for this to be the bpeat show on Friday Nights, with whoever the hell has the guts to be as co host. I would

love to see that. And why because I just learned a lot about this man because we made a trip thirteen hours, twelve hours I don't know, something like that, depending on how you wind your watch, because we changed time zones going from Georgia to Texas. He was with me at the JFK Lancer Convention and it was a lot of fun. I was the MC. It wasn't as much fun as it could have been because the MC ended up

doing a lot of other work that I didn't expect to do. I didn't take a lot of film, I didn't wind up shaking a lot of hands. I wound up with b Pete sitting at my merch table a lot and threw a tip cup on that sucker and just said, you know what, make a donation and take something for free. I swear to God that's what I did. But maybe we'll talk about that, and you'll get a bunch of wrap up stories about it over the next week or so or two weeks,

as different people are coming. Larry Hancock's going to join us next week and discuss the conference and other stuff. But tonight me and Bpte get a chance to talk about it. And I'm telling you, I don't even want to give my opinion on this show anymore. I want to get you, guys. I want to hear from you, and I want to hear from new people, brand new people. If we can, I would just love that. So let's get to it. Three one nine five two seven five

zero one six. That's the number to call. And I don't know, we might be losing some regular callers as other excuse me for the sniffles. I'm not feeling well and be Pete's about to tell you about that. I think three one nine five two seven five zero one six. You know, I think we're gonna lose some of our regular callers because they are now co hosts on other networks doing other things and stuff and stuff and stuff. So it is what it is. What are we gonna do? We got plenty

of space for you listening out there. If you're hearing us live on the twenty fourth day of November twenty twenty three, just let's see seven and a half minutes after eight pm Eastern. Wherever you may be. Your time may vary, but the thing is, if you're hearing us live, join in, step up. You want to be a co host, Let's see what we can make that happen. But at least be a caller. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six BP. I already know how you're

doing, but tell them how you're doing well. I think I think I might have the culprit's name, and if I do, them'll call his ass out here. I drove all the way to Dallas to catch a damn cold. I either had a cold in four years or more. Okay, if I wasn't expecting this. It snuck up on top of me after we decided to take a walk through downtown Dallas in the middle of the night to go get provisions for the hotel room and end up getting sciatica off of this.

So that goes on all weekend, and then I come home to sneezing and coughing and nose running and feeling like crap. And I do believe I found the culprit you mentioned to me, the guy in the baseball cat. Yes, and it was it, the guy that asked me for a copy of the Judith very Baker wanted poster. You know what it may have been, because I think it was. Because here is the smoking gun. Let me pull it up. Oh no, that's sort of a copy of the thing.

The other day. He sent me a thank you today, and after you and I talked, I went and checked to see if he ever wrote me back to say thanks. Not only did he say thank you, but he confessed. Here are the bloody details as soon as Yahoo will come up here. Now this is too bunny. The thing is this guy came up to us and said, you know, oh, look, I'm sick, but I'm gonna talk to you guys for a couple more minutes. Because we were I didn't hear him say I'm sick. If I had a swore to

guy, I'd run him off. I'd spit at him or something. This guy Bob Gerty and Bob I mean, and I will or whatever you got, I hope you get it. For two weeks. He says, this is awesome. And I sent him. I sent him to one poster. He says he saved it. He dragged out his old copy of Men Who Killed Kennedy the Lovefare. I knew she was lying then, don't know how anyone believed her. I am still sick with the respiratory infection that made me

leave a day early. That's him. That is fast. Oh see, I told you this guy came to the Okay, so we can't smoke in the We got to describe this hotel. We got a lot of things to describe here, and we also got it. Looks like Jimmy James is on the line already, so we're gonna bring him in on a conversation soon. Geez. But anyway, three one nine seven five zero one sick Hawks You

got hawks on. Bob got us both sick. He sent his his respiratory problem to North Carolina and Georgia simultaneously, god knows where else tags dude, he's problem, when up his ass? Guy? Okay, So there's this artsy, artsy hotel that we're in, which which which we end up running into Typhoid Bob. Bob is his name, right, Okay? So Typhoid Bob meets us outside of the the the extremely extravagant, you know, very artsy, uh, extremely polish, uh, which I am never going back

to the Lorenzo. I told them, I said, don't you ever hold this conference here again? It did this? This hotel awful, this hotel, this is the brokest group of it. There's one hotel, okay, there's one Lorenzo Hotel. One, No more than just one. Ye. These guys have name tags. They have their name tag on it and it says where they're from. The guy who can't speak English working in the bar

is from Turkey. Okay. The guy who wants, you know, you just want to punch him when he tells you they won't take your card, He's from san Antonio. I pointed out. I said, san Antonio. I says, you ta say San Antonio. Yes it does. Oh, I was in San Antonio. Are you with the hotel there? We don't have a hotel there. The why the hell are you telling me from San Antonio. I don't give a damn right anyway. Not tious bunch of bastards. That's that. That's at the beginning of our arrival in Dallas. B

Pizza is going to tell you about the pretentious bunch of bastards. Jesus Lorenzo, you are to get there. You are not getting Old Dorset Reno Hotel. Thank god, there's only one, supposedly, but I found out as part of a conglomerate unless you want to make complaints, and then it's an individually managed hotel. But you know the conglomerates to the Marriotts and everything else. Old Well, that's not our issue. Place Downtown Dallas. Now,

anybody's been in downtown Dallas, you are. You got a lot of tall buildings. What they do with tall buildings in big cities, they put freaking lights on them. Okay, So to Glen Din there's this one thirteen story building over here away from everything else downtown, and there's got these rainbow lights

that run up the columns. At the very top, there's like five it looks like five picture frames and a camera and it's like one eye and one of them blinks and another one blinks, and then the third one blinks. So you think you've seen it all you walk inside this thing. This guy put the Curl Story hotel on whe bought a from where if you built it new. He paid for a bunch of artists to provide works to go in this thing. Now I don't know if they provided them for free, because

everything has a little plaque explaining it. No no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on a second before people get the stupid idea that it's just like framed artwork on the wall. Oh no, oh no, no, no, no no, this is all this through this ranges from abstract who almost almost performance are on the part of the people working there. Right, there is a room. Okay, let me describe something

real quick. There is a room which is an office, okay, And it is a room inside of a room, so that there's sort of a waiting area and then a smaller box inside of this room that says office on it, right, And what is sticking out of the walls skulls and bones of all sorts of and human skulls and bones. Right, it's not real

skulls and bones. It's obviously an artist's renditions of skulls and bones, all like covering the wall as if it was stucco, right, instead of you know, the jagged stucco crap that you ever see those things in like some people's houses, you know a lot of times on the ceiling, and sometimes

I lived in a place in the bathroom once the jagged stucco crap. Well, imagine somebody took that idea and made it into skulls and bones like sticking out at different angles from the walls all around the waiting room area in this office box within a box room. This is an example of what is going on all over this, including every floor, every wall, every I get. We got a quarter sleep. Okay, I like a room when I travel, so you're a quarter sleep. The ceiling is unfinished, the cement.

You can still see the plywood pattern in the cement when it cured. And then between the two beds. They put this picture frame at a stu with a large paint brush screened to the ceiling in the middle of the picture frame. Okay, that's that's the decorations, and it's that way in all these rooms and and well also, yeah, it has this motif of urban decay where like there's unfinished masonry blocks outside of the hotel. That's where we

went to smoke all the time. There's these big blocks that are like, you know, clearly kind of weather worn and intentionally like urban decay. Chunks of urban decay just sort of scattered about the property. Yeah, like fake like fake stress jeans. You know, you knew some Korean lady in a sweatshop was sitting here with a drum or pool roughing up the knees. You know that kind of crap. It's like what you tell it was fake? It's like when somebody eyes Yeah, when somebody buys a brand new pair of

jeans with the knees al any torn out of them like that exactly. Yeah, only these and you know, seventeen dollars for a freaking hamburger, are you kid? Meat? Seventeen dollars for a hamburger that was mediocre at best. Now, kudos on the breakfast. The breakfast really wasn't that bad. It was just too damn expensive. Five dollars for a red bullet night out

of the boutique. Now this place, I'll go ahead and tell you now, if you have a Chime card, if you have a pre a PayPal card, if you have any type of card, don't expect them to take it. They'll hold your reservation. And the funny thing is I got them to bend their mandatory no cash. Yeah, they wouldn't take cal telling them they wouldn't even take my cash until I told them I'm getting ready to dump over a thousand bucks on a room, and you don't want my money,

We'll go down the street. Suddenly they had to make some phone calls and they would take my cash. The funny thing is, though I had to pay for parking, and on top of three hundred dollars a night for a room, they charges twenty dollars a night for parking. But on top of that, when you go to pay for parking, somehow that card they wouldn't take works perfect. And when you go to the restaurant and you pay sixteen bucks for a Hamburger, that card works perfect, even if you give them

a tip. It's amazing. These guys are doing well. We'll continue all the hotel. We'll get to the conference because the hotel is I have been all over the world I have never seen I've been in five star hotels in Switzerland where they come and unwrap the mint on your pillow for you. Right, They're not as pretentious as this place was. And this is in a big, old, big d No. I've been in private resorts where they

assign you know, a maid to your cottage. Right, I've been in places like that, and they are not near as pretentious as this place. The funny thing to me about all this, by the way, is that the deal with them not taking your card really is because they wanted deposit. They want They're worried you're going to steal their towels or their coffee maker or whatever. And then they're not going to be able to charge you because you only had enough money to pay for the room on your card, your debit

card. That's what the problem is. Because here's something I'm going to just announce it. To hell with it, you know, they they still didn't really want to take Pete's cash. Now the cash is actually a combination between them and me. They don't need to know that the reservation was made in his name. Screw it, right, but they wouldn't take our cash. They made an exception to take our cash. But they still wanted the person that booked the conference, which is a whole floor of the hotel. The

whole twelfth floor is booked for the Lancer conference. Okay, so the twelfth floor is booked for the Lancer conference. They wanted the person in charge of the Lancer conference since b Pete said, I got the MC of the Lancer conference here, what are you telling me you're not gonna give us a room? It was it was pretty I went outside to smoke a couple of times because Bpete. B Pete is a is not a quiet man when he's upset, is not A is not easily consoled when he's angry. When I'm getting

ready to dump over a thousand bucks on a freaking hotel room. So so he's in a missions. I can't even have paint on the ceiling. My god. So what they wanted is they said, look if if if Gabrielle, who was in charge and was you know, it's all on her bill, that she's booking the hotel and everything, if she will sign off on your what did they call it? Incidentals incidentals. Yeah, I told her, so wait a minute, Wait a minute, I said, you want

somebody to sign off on the incidentals. I said, I'll give you five hundred dollars cash as a deposit. And they said, no, well we don't take cash. Well, you just took a thousand, you'd take five hundred more. I said, at the end of the stay, you can even up with me or what you owe me. Right, they wouldn't do it. They would not do Ready to go find a third party, So we let them put a two hundred and forty dollars hold, two hundred and

forty dollars hold. I was going to give them five hundred gas, right, but they they let them put a two hundred and forty hold on a credit card. Right. They wanted to be able to take the thousand dollars for the room. Yep. So you know, thankfully, you know, Gabby was nearby and I was able to get a hold of her. And indeed I wasn't you know, just nobody's showing up there, because God knows,

they would have never let us stay there. But but you know, here we go, Okay, look, can you just sign off on this? And I didn't realize they were going to ask to put a hold on her credit card. I thought they just wanted her to say, no, don't worry about it. It will take responsibility if these guys cost you something, which we weren't gone. We weren't going to wreck the room or steal

the coffee maker for god knows. I thought maybe they had a mini bar in the room, which they didn't, by the way, No mini bar. No, no, you know, no mini fridge with the overpriced crap in it surprised that the probably ran up there. No, they probably ran up there and took all that out before we got there. Oh you think so, knowing those pretentious pastors, Yeah, no talent. Okay, there's no telling what you know in a corner sweep like that. Yeah, they

could have gone and cleaned out everything. You set the two three bottles of water with your coffee. Oh yeah, you have two free bottles of water. We have free bottles of water, two of them. Thousand dollars. Yeah, okay, anyway, but but that but that was the case. Okay, So we did this and uh we get Gabby design off on it. We finally get into the damn room. Uh in this place I'm telling

you, it was just one hassle after another. And they've even got a coco joint like a breakfast burrito taco joint outside of the hotel, which, by the way, they charged the same price. It's like six dollars for a cannon. I don't know how red bulls were five bucks be beat because a can of a coke or a bottle of coke or whatever it was six dollars, So I don't know why they're charging five for a red Bull. If I could stomach red bull, I should have drank that because I needed

my caffeine. I mean, well, right there in the boutique, next to the cash redit the cash registered excuse me, the cash drawer cash drawer. When I handed them one thousand dollars, the lady behind the desk had to start writing stuff down to figure out she owed me sixteen dollars and then we get ready to check out. Now I've given them a thousand dollars cash said here, yep, well the room was nine to eighty and they start figuring it out it was like nine eighty four or something. So somehow they

overpaid me sixty cents in change. So when I get ready to leave it. There's a sixty cent charge left on the freaking deal. Sixty cents. It's steps. Now, they had one thousand dollars they could have taken out of whatever the helly did to take out of it. But no, that wasn't good enough. They had to give it back and give me back sixty cents too much, and then I had to clear out on the bill. Do you realize if I'd have left there, they charged that sixty cents to

somebody's credit card. Yeah, they would have charged sixty cents to Gabby's credit card. They would have counted that as an incident, and then probably a charge for having to do that on top of it. Right, anybody that charges get twenty dollars for parking in their three hundred dollars a night hotel can kiss my ass. I'll just go ahead and say it. Which, by the way, it's not valet parking. It's not in a parking structure. You're just able to park in the lot and not get towed away. If

you paid the twenty bucks, that's it. Yeah, there is no free parking at any time. If you go there for lunch, you're supposed to pay ten dollars for daily parking. Yep, I swear to god that's how that's how ridiculous these people are. And they've got a conference that's getting ready to fill this place up because it was full, right, No, we were at the allot of capacity for the crowd on the twelfth floor, so the entire floor was at the allegedly the you know, according to the fire

marshal, that's the capacity of that floor. That's what we were at done, which which is very weird. Tickets were sold out ahead of time and all that. And you know what, I thought, I did a pretty bad job as an MC because I was running around and doing a lot of stuff and I mean, I'm probable. Just let me take a moment. Now, we trusted the hotel. Yes, the conference itself. I have to say kudos to Gabby for pulling this thing off. It was a great

conference. It was filled with a lot of speakers. It took up a lot of time. It was a lot for her to get together and put on, and I think she did a wonderful job. I think the conference was a success, right, and it would make me want to go to another one. I mean, it was that that entertaining, so we got has to meet a lot of people. So don't let anything I say about this hotel reflect on Lancer's efforts and their conference, because it was great.

Wheah, they ran it. You know, had plenty of time to meet people or sitting there at the table manning it for Chuckwall. He was busy run around doing his stuff. And I can say that I'm very glad that I was able to associate with these people their top nots, and they did a very good job. Okay, check, you can go from there, no problem. I could not have pulled off what I had to pull off this weekend without bpte's help, immensely helpful, because I was running in eight

different directions. We had technical issues at the beginning, really bad sound issues and other things. So I wound up helping out the sound man. I wound up helping out people with stage directions. I'm trying to grab people's presentations because people didn't drop off their thumb drives on time and whatever else. There was a lot of stuff going on, and you know, I'm told that this kind of happens all the time with these conferences, and we did our

best to pull it off. There was two speakers that were canceled over the course of it, but you still had a full dance card out of this thing. You got your money's worth. And there was virtual stuff going on. There was in person stuff going on. We never really got to use the media room. But the book room, the place where I had a table set up, was really great and interactive. You had every author, every presenter basically went into that book room and hung out for a little while,

and you know, you could meet them, talk to them. They were happy to sell you their book, you know, et cetera. All that going on. Plus there was just all sorts of people mingling in there. So that's going on on one side of the floor of the twelfth floor, and on the other side of the twelfth floor is the constant conference, which was which was really well done. And I'm amazed that she pulled off as much as she did. We only had two drop speakers, that's nothing

usually a lot more problems and everything else. And I made some mistakes, you know, and here and there, and like I'm getting things yelled at both of my ears, and and forgetting who the hell it was I was supposed to introduce coming up on the stage next because they changed the order and I'm like, you know what, you introduced yourself, come on up.

There was a couple of instances of that, but I kept things moving and definitely kept people awake, and my voice was in good shape on the first day, but by the time Sunday came around, my voice was hoarse. I mean, I had done coast to coast am and all that stuff. And that's that's another story. And there's a lot more to tell about this,

but the conference. By the way, next year, I've already been invited to go back and be the MC again with a with a more friendly circumstance to me than I had this time, and I may go back. I was not going to go back, but there's indications that it will not cost me all of what this conference cost me. Because this this ran me out of money. I ended up giving away a lot of stuff. I

knew I was gonna do that. And when we had the tip jar sitting there, I gotta tell you, Bpe, not your fault, not anybody's fault. But there was a bunch of people that I'm telling you now, put like you know, a dollar in the tip jar and took you know, two books and stuff like that. I mean, this is what they did, some of them, and I can't blame on my guess. So I'm gonna have to structure that better next time, if I If I do this next year, but I'm seriously considering going back and doing it again.

And it was a really good experience. And I didn't even get to see a lot of the presentations. I'm gonna have to watch online to see all this stuff and see my mistakes and everything else. But the funny thing to me is, you know, after people stop yelling at me on Friday, because they were yelling at me, did you catch people really bitching at me and stuff? Did you catch any of that? Tell? Yeah, a

little bit of it here. And then I mean, people were getting nasty with me at first on Friday, like we can't hear all the way in the back, and they were so far back in the room they could not hear on the pa And I see, it's a good thing. I wouldn't handle it. I just tart to just shut the hell off. You might be able to hear something. Shut out. I tried to politely say that. But these women were nasty. Boy, they were They were getting on me. A couple of them always the worst. Why is it the women

of the worst. Is it because men let them just off? Well? I literally the one husband is like sitting there going come on, come on, just come on. The guy's doing what he can. This is you know what I'm like, he's married to a Karen And again you know, yeah, I understand. I'm like, ma'am, I'm not in charge. If you want to refund, by all means, go see Gabby over there.

I'm trying to tell and I was. All I was trying to do is tell people in the back of the room move up a little bit while I fix this PA problem so that you can hear these first one to two presenters. And I will fix the PA problem, but for now, move up until I can figure this out. Well, I'll tell you what. For anybody that's listening to this, either now or later, that was there

and had an issue with that, they have taken consideration. They had to go out and get their own sound to bring in and try to work in that room without a drive run right, because the hotel wanted to charge twenty thousand dollars for a sound system twenty thousand dollars. Can you believe it? Twenty thousand dollars. Twenty thousand, that's a thousand, that's twenty rooms that I rented for three days, that equivalent for a simple sound system because they

sub it out to another company. Yeah, but we could have bought we could have bought brand new PA equipment, you know, off off the showroom floor anywhere, and spent less than twenty g's to take care of them. Oh. Absolutely, you know, I could have. I could have. I could have conned the church in the renten theirs for you know, two hundred and fifty bucks. Well, what they did is see, initially they

didn't think it was going to be that big of a charge. So at the last minute they hired a local musician to come in and do this, and you know, he was fighting with it, but he didn't understand the difference between having a spoken word situation and music, so you know, and he was doing his best. But uh, you know, yeah, I mean they did what they could, but you know, it was a minor

thing over the grand scheme of things. That's what kills me about these people that want to complain and honestly, by the time Friday night came or Saturday morning. We were straight so you know, it's just a couple of presenters. I was trying to tell him, you know, come on up toward the front a little bit. There's some room and you'll be able to hear better until I can straighten this out. Give me some time here to figure

this sound, you know, because this was all that you had. You had some people that weren't used to using a microphone, and we're talking across it, not to it, and therefore their voice wouldn't carry they speak low anyway, which happens, which happens at every conference, by the way, unless you got a guy who, like you know, does several speeches a year, like uh, you know when when Dick Russell did his thing, no problems. Dick knows what he's doing because he's been in the media,

he's worked with microphones, he's spoken in several rooms. He gets it right. But some of these other guys who are presenting for the first time, which by the way, I was most impressed by the young guy that that I had on the show, Alex Harris, who did an incredible job with his presentation. I got to see most of his and he did extremely well and has an incredible base of knowledge for you know, starting his research at

age eleven and presenting at this conference at just turning fourteen. I mean, you know he did he did a great job, didn't he He did did a very good job. Yeah. So anyways, I want to get to the calls though on the line and see what else anybody else wants to talk about. Also, I'm going to try and find a way for everybody to get access to h I ended up doing ground zero radio on the anniversary and

on Saturday Night. Funny story, I'm gonna tell about that. But on Saturday night for the first time, I was on coast to coast am and both be Pete and I are going to be coughing, excuse me, off and on because what was it tight? Typhoid? What now? What was his name again? Typhoid? Bob decided to say, I'm sick, I'm going home early, but let me talk to you before I go. Thanks. So maybe we'll both take a break and get to everybody talking here.

And we are going to take some breaks shortly, but let's get to the callers first. Let's see. I know I've got Jimmy James advance both on the line, and I don't see a Skype request yet, but I will check on that in a moment. And let's get Jimmy James first. So here we go. Jimmy, you're live, man? How you doing? Did I press the right button? Jimmy James? You sleep? Oh, Jimmy, you know what I'm gonna. I'm gonna put Jimmy on hold, and uh, let's see, let's get Advance and see maybe I got a

problem with my phones. I don't know about. Uh, Dvance, can you hear me? Can you hear me now? Sure? Can? Okay? Good? No, I didn't know if it was my phone because that was real quiet for Jimmy, you know. So anyway, Vance, I didn't hear anything from Jimmy. I didn't hear nothing from Jimmy. Gotcha. I really wish you had been able to make it out to Dallas, since I was in your home state there. Uh, but uh, you know,

the hotel was not not a dream. And again up to the twelfth floor, so I'm running outside to have cigarettes all the way down to the bottom floor, by the way, so I'm up and down in that elevator. I don't know how many trips I made over the course of the weekend, but it was a lot. Anyways, Man, it's enough out of me. Uh and and and my sore throat and all. How you doing

tonight? Oh? Described besides all the you know hassles with the usual you know, corporate kind of craft you gotta deal with with hotels and all that nowadays, they did you have any fun? You just do anything? I mean, you were that far away from deep Ellen. Did you get to go check out any you know, loose bands or anything. I got to see no music of any kind. We uh, you know, B Pete got to go out a little more than me because I was very much stuck

to the conference busy the whole time. Uh we did. On the first night we got there, I got to go eat over at Campezies, So I was happy about that. And then, uh, I think the next night B Pete went there with with some of the guys. I think it went with Mike Swant. Who did you go with that night, B Pete? Well, Ason, Mike swansor we went over Ayson Mike Swanson's. So

our our friend Creative Accidents wasn't with you? Then? Well, okay, he might have went home by then, but uh yeah, so yeah, ace Lynn Miller and uh and Mike Swanson went with v Pete over to Campezes. They brought me back a pizza to the conference, thankfully, because I did not get to eat a pizza the first night I went over to Campezes. Now, why did I want to go to Campezes? Jack Ruby used to eat there, and it's also the restaurant still owned by you know,

the two Campezee brothers. Us I think their grandchildren by now are running it. But you know, so they got a plaque over there, you know, Jack Ruby eight here and we went to that original location. There's three locations in the area, so I wanted to try their food. It's not bad. It's not bad at all, you know. Pretty The food was excellent, excellent food. We went first night had some uh set of cheese, some scampy. Next night had the pasta stample with lasagna spaghetti. Oh

man, it was excellent. Wrote the trip and a big shout out to Johnny Carnes Cairns. I still can't figure out how to say it because he's got that Scottish accent. He made a presentation at the conference as well, but he happened to be there the first night at Campezes because we were in a party of twenty six okay, and we got kind of invited as an

addition. It was Bob Groden, Janet Groden, Gabby, her husband, her baby, me and Bpte all the way on the one end of these all these tables lined up and the other nineteen people or so were from Daley Plaza, UK, So they had like a twenty six party group there in the middle of Campezes on what was that Thursday night, So night that was

the most fun I got. I went to Dealey Plaza for maybe forty five minutes vance but I didn't really get to leave the hotel very much at all because I was so so busy with trying to keep stuff running and doing my thing. Yeah, and it was it ran till nine o'clock every night, I know, the Saturday night with a banquet, we went out of there till almost eleven. Yeah, somebody told me it was like till eleven o'clock.

I had to go up and get a rest, you know, in between, because I was going to do coast to coast and that didn't start till midnight central, So you know, and I was going to be on for two hours, so I didn't want to be yawning, you know, my first time on pretty much the biggest radio show I was ever going to be on. I didn't want to be half asleep, so I went up to the room and took a nap before Coast to Coast AM. So I didn't get to go out much at all vance So I really regret that,

but go ahead. Had I have, you know, been able to make it down there, I would have been searching out what kind of bands and what was happening, you know those days deep el them because there's lots of good you know, rock clubs there and all kinds of music. There was one place in particular, Yeah, there was one place in particular. I don't know if you know about it, that that somebody said there was a band at called Lee Harvey's and they swear that it has nothing to do with

Oswald. That's pretty close to the hotel there. But next year, I guarantee you they're going to go to a better hotel, uh, you know, even if it is more expensive. They were thinking that that was going to be the cheaper hotel too. That's the funny part as opposed to the one that I would have preferred. I'm trying to think of the name of it right now, but there's there's a good one that's like only a few

blocks from Daly Plaza. It's great and I really also I went to elementary school at George D. Daley Elementary in the sixties and had a one of their athletic away called the gym bag, and it was like, you know, real heavy duty Vinyl, said George D. D Lea, you know, on the side, orange and white. And until like fineteen eighties or so, I used that as as still using it as to carry like my pedals and chords and my guitar pedals and stuff, and for a long time

till it finally kind of fell apart. Oh yeah, those gim bags were great for carrying your pedals, your MIC's your you know, if you were a drummer, it's a whole other world. But yeah, I mean all that's kind of stuff. Everything but your guitar. You can stop in that sucker. So oh absolutely so anyway, man, yeah, go ahead, yeah. Oh, I was wondering what else was on your mind. I got news that you're now the co host of a show over on the New

Prisoner's Network. So I see that's happening. What is a Saturday night anarchy they're calling it right, Yeah, so you know it's a natural hocke and they have Saturday night anarchy with that anarchy. So there you go. It's nothing personal. You know, I'm not leaving. I'm still calling in here. You know that it's you know, it just happened as the way it happened. I didn't, you know, No, I appreciate you. They just asked me to do it. Hey, look, I appreciate you.

And you know they are recruiting seems like off of my my my callers, supporters friends for that network over there. They haven't asked me Pete. I think it's because, uh, they're they're too afraid he'll tell them off. But uh whatever, I mean, what what what can I do? I wish you success? There you go, there's your answer so advanced. I

I wish your success no matter what you do. Seriously, I'd say, I'm not involved in any of that animosity between people for whatever reasons and all that, and I haven't really experienced any of it, and any of my you know, conversations or anything you know, along the line. And if I am presented with that, I'm gonna, you know, say just what I just said. You knew that he might do. I ain't about it. I'd try to like everybody, and you know, even if I don't

like everything about him. Right right now, it's cool, you know, I'm right now, I'm getting pictures from creative accidents. Actually he's sending me a picture of the Campez sign and a few other things, so cool stuff. And also he sent me a message about Aaron and this guy he went to see. He went to see a guy over there who was doing a presentation on I think on transhumanism and brought him Aaron's book, the book I handed him at the conference. Brought him Aaron's book and and wanted to turn

him on to it. And I think that'd be a cool thing coming up on Aaron's show if that gets together, So that would be nice. But anyway, I was just looking over at the Skype to see if anybody was trying to call in there, because you can reach out to me Charles dot Ocelli on Skype and I will put you on my friend's list. Can't guarantee I'll keep you there, but I can put you on there if you want to call in, especially if you're international and you're listening now, no problem,

happy to bring you on. Uh, but generally speaking, three one nine five two seven five zero one six is the best way to come on. So anyway, vance anything else on your mind besides all this in Texas and the lore of Deely and the school you went to and all that, anything else, nothing, you know, jumping off my head. When go over to Jimmy and see what he's got to say. I'm sure he's interested to hear what new revelations were made during the conference, et cetera. Sure,

sure, I'll put you on hold. Okay, so just hang on and uh yeah, let me go around and see if we can grab Jimmy and anybody else wants to join us, right. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six. I remind you again, Uh, and Jimmy, James, I'm taking you off mute again. I hope you're there. I was doing the last time. You can hear me now, I hear you this time, Jimmy. I swear you made no noise last time at all. Yeah, Oh I was making noise. You just didn't hear.

Sorry, Well, if a tree falls in the woods, does Jimmy James make a noise? Anyway? Brother, what's on your mind? I'm well glad to hear that your conference experience went well enough to bet your hotel experience was subpar. Uh so did you? Fellers happened to catch the major's presentation? The major's presentation? Who are we talking about? Uh? Doctor Uhman? Ah? Okay, Doctor Newman did not make a presentation at Lancer. Uh he was supposed to and and uh he did not. Uh so him

and uh Morley both dropped Actually last moment, women Morley dropped. Yes at the last moment, Yes, why I was not given an explanation. Apparently Morley would only talk to Larry about it, and that was that. And I think Newman, because he had been in person at the WET conference, decided, you know, he didn't want to, I think, but I don't want to speak for him. Huh. So that's the way that went.

But I thought Moiley was going to make it in person. And I take it that doctor Newman was going to try to make it through like skype or something. Yeah, doctor Newman was gonna do it virtually like you know, and and some people had pre recorded things virtually and then joined us for questions after. Actually we tried to reach Carmine after his pre recorded presentation and couldn't reach him by a zoom, which was odd. And uh, I

don't know exactly what happened there. There was a bunch of things went on like that, uh and uh. But but there was plenty going on. It's not like there was any any downtime. So believe me, it all filled itself out nicely, and we didn't have any like, oh, sorry, we don't have anything to do for an hour. No, we just moved things along and people took extra time anyway, Like like b Pete said, the Saturday Night went all the way to eleven pm, uh when it

was only scheduled to go to like nine. So I mean there was just a lot going on one way or another. Matter of fact, I dropped another virtual another virtual presentation that was supposed to be added in. I personally cut it from the program because there was not going to be enough time and I felt it was repetitious. So there you go. Well, I noticed that at these things that the Q and as the more fun and interesting parts. Anyway, when people ask them a lot of time in that vein.

In that vein, we had a surprise appearance from Gail Nick Jackson, who was rumored to be there, you know, for like two days before, and I had no idea, and then she showed up and she wound up on the Walker panel. I gave her my slot on the Walker panel because she wanted to talk about different things that she had found out about, you know, some of the figures involved in the Walker shooting. And Gail was not even a scheduled speaker and she was in on that. So there you

go. Well that's pretty cool, Yeah, very cool. Well, out of that conference is over. I want to talk about all kinds of JFK documents I see. Well, there's gonna be a bunch of those shows coming up, by the way, because Larry purposely wants to recap quite a few things from the conference over the next couple appearances he has with me and also Swanson, who has a document that apparently nobody else has seen. He tried to send it to me via email and it wouldn't it wouldn't go through for

some weird reason. It's not online with the National Archives, and it's an interesting piece interesting piece of information that he's dug up. So I mean, we're gonna have some interesting document discussions coming up. It's not you know, I'm not gonna do allK all the time, but you're gonna you're gonna get some interesting stuff from some people who have dug up some primary evidence, some new things, and have gone back over some old stuff as well. So

it's gonna be an interesting time for that. Fronte. I was just gonna start naming some names. I find it interesting that I don't know what anyone else has good reading, but now I pretty much know who was in the SI and who was not. So I was just going to discuss that if you wanted to, but be Pete. What's up me, Pete? You might be talking to your mute button. Oh yes, I was there. We go, Oh, Jimmy. Everything is good other than the cold.

But I'd like to take this opportunity to say it was great to meet Gail. She was a pleasant surprise being there. Shout out to Doug Campbell. We had talked about trying to get him on the show. Mike Swanson, great guy to hang out with the stories that he can tell you and creative shout out and creative. This guy. This guy is a blast. He can tell you stories that you just can't imagine. It was a great group, but that's one thing. It was a great group of people that was

able to get together and spend time together and talk. And Gail. I've never met gay before and I had been wanting to meet her for quite some time and shout out to her. It's actually called me yesterday Thanksgiving, so that was quite nice of it. But yeah, we had a good time. And Jimmy, I wish you could have made it down. I think you would have had a blast. Yeah. I was gonna try to at least get down to meet with you guys, but oh, do do a

bizarre chain of events. I just had several hundred dollars just disappeared because they paid April early. But anyways, yes, it's kinds of interesting. Yeah, I've seen all sorts of you. I'm sure you guys must have run into these handwritten notes, which were summaries by h SCA characters. Basically, they were handwritten summations of various people's two or one files right through instance, I now know Fred Lee Crispin Cia definitely no doubt about it looked at us

junk. Yep, no, I And I agreed with Joan back then when she was talking about him, right, you know a lot of people were ignoring what Joan had to say about him a long time ago. Joan mellon right, turns out, Oh yeah, she's been very much let's put this way, she's very much been vindicated by the documents. And while, for instance, the information which doctor Newman has produced has made other people's so called Alan dolls Cia theories seem exactly what it is, idiotic. Yeah, especially

when they bring in James Angleton and all the rest. So the screw of the chess board and all that junk, just plus it down the toilet. I don't know where we stand around on the twentieth century, the last stef I don't know. Maybe mctail Gunner Joe was right. Maybe the whole government is being communist run. Well, there's a lot to be said there, right, And when you take a look at who's actually actively playing, uh, it turns out that the real deep document researchers had it right to begin

with, a bunch of them, and they're getting vindicated. Like you said, you know, stuff that people were like saying, well, Joan, you didn't really dig very hard because you're applying it to this and it turns out. Look, look at how many things that she said have now been actually proven. I really wish I could get her on the show again.

I might try. I did, by the way, because I was able to hang out around Gail because I don't know if you remember, but I wasn't sure what my status was with Gail because I hadn't talked to her in a long time. But you know, according to what she had to say to my face, anyway, we're cool. Everything's good. I really want to bring her back on, especially if there is some progress that will be made regarding her circumstances in the near future that I was told not to speak

about. But I really really look forward to if she gets to where she wants to go regarding her legal circumstances, and I would love to be one of the first people to get her on. And I hope that that's what I can, and I would. I would have brought her on next week. But here's the thing, uh, she said repeatedly, and I'm sure be Pete, you heard this. You know my lawyer is not letting me talk about this stuff right now, so I can't bring her on until that

happens. When the lawyer clears it. We're gonna have a conversation with Gail Nick Jackson and the way she was holding court at the conference with people, I don't know, it might be a four hour show that night. What do you think, be Pete, Oh, I just soon go record us while we go downtown and drink beers. I think we'd get a better conversation of more laughs out of it. She is a class I you know, if I go back next year, she's gotta she's got to come down and

and and do it again. You know. It was really great to see her. Uh and she had her she had her book there. She was a total surprise to a lot of people. I don't know how it is. Doug Campbell knew she was coming because he kept saying it, and I'm going, But Doug, I didn't hear anything about this. She was not technically part of that at all. She was not supposed to be part of the conference at all. And the next thing I know is it was like

he wrote one of the chapters in her book. I mean, they're pretty tight. Oh, I know, but you know, but but I'm part of the conference. There was no indication to the conference. Last minute, it was like, how do we make room for Gale on this panel? And I said, I got an easy solution, I'll get the hell out of the way, you know, and and just kind of had to push

her out onto that panel, and she was happy to do it. I really hope that that recorded well and went out on the on the virtual conference well, because in the room it was very cool the stuff going on. You know, Larry Hancock introduced the panel and then sat on the stage behind everybody who was sitting in chairs in front of the stage, and they just went at it. Larry would occasionally chime in, like just once in a

while. But that went on for a good, I don't know, hour and a half maybe b Pete right, that panel, Yeah, it went on over the hour. It was almost an hour and a half. And Uh, that's another thing too, you know. We we talked about uh Dad getting him on the show, Gail and uh and Rob Park's other cohort, I can't think his name, Robert scooter guy. Yeah, he's gotten a tie, Scooter Guy. Sorry, Joe oh Man, Joe, Joe Brelli. Is that it is? I think it's Joe Brelli. I gotta

take a look real quick. But yeah, anyway, he's great to meet him too. I was really you know, I was really disappointed Rob Park wasn't there about him for so long. You know, it's just strange meeting people that you been talking to for years you never met face to face, probably be able to sit there and joke with each other, and it was really great. Sob try to get them all on the steps here in the

next month. I'm sure that guys, you gonna want to go on break, but when we come back, remind me I want to address e Howard haunts two to one and a few other interesting things that they mean. Yeah, that sounds like a good time on the other side of the break for sure. I just want to explain why I'm cracking up. I can't stop laughing because see the guy who did the presentation on UH on the Martins with with Rob Clark, and they did it virtually and then Joe took questions in

person right afterwards. Well anyway, right before that. Outside, Jose's pretty pretty. He looks like he's in pretty good shape. When you say VPD, he looks like kind of a strong guy. Right, Oh, yeah, he looks. He looks like a very fit sort of guy. He's definitely younger than me. I'm not sure how old he is, but he's he's probably in his I don't know. He looked like he was in his thirties. Maybe I'm misjudging him. What do you think this good? Guess?

I don't know. Okay, so if I said that looking at him, you wouldn't say, oh, chuck your way off. Right, Well he's late twenties, thirties, I guess. Yeah, Okay, cool enough. Well here's the thing. They had those you know, those eas scooters outside of the hotel. So decides to run his cart on the East scooter.

I'm like, oh my god, these East scooter things. He went down like just around the corner at the hotel, and the next thing I know is he comes running back without the scooter and had to run back to his hotel room and go get changed real quick because I think he wiped out on the scooter and his arm was bleeding and stuff. I had to like, right before he went up on stage to do the presentation, I'm like, yeah, you might want to take care of that blood over there on

your helb. So that's why VP called him scooter guy. So oh, man, jokes between Doug and him and me and you and Rob's over the course of the bunk, there's gonna be jokes. Said. The one is you're thinking about somebody in this shower. And that was Mike Swanson that brought that one up. That got several laughs. So don't be surprised if we hear jokes, uh jokes I thrown our way on these other programs as well. Oh, I know that's coming up. I mean, yeah, the

thing about the shower, I don't even want to spoil that. I think I think Doug will probably bring that up. There was some funny stuff going on. Uh, you know, we we were having a good time. I mean again, I didn't get to go out as much as I wanted to. I didn't get to hang out as much as I wanted to, But people kept tracking me down in the smoking section and uh and stopping me every which way along the way because I had to keep going from the twelfth

floor to the first floor to just smoke a cigarette. And there was no way I was getting through there without getting like tackled by somebody. It was pretty constant. Yeah, we need the next twelve. We need to find has a rooftop smoking section, so we're only running up one floor and set of down twelve. Well, I don't you know, is it illegal in Dallas to have a smoking room? I mean, is there a possibility that there's still a smoking room in Texas? The way? I don't know.

They do them at the airports, but it's like a completely enclosed room with a separate air system that handles it. So what you do is, you know, out of which major airport you're at, you walk until you see the room that you can't see into, and that's the smoking room. Once you open the door, it's like a favor lock, suck sail from the outside so that the smoke doesn't escape well, and they sit in the next,

you know, thirty forty minutes till your next flight takes off. But all right, well, we got to do something on the smoking accommodations. We got we got to figure something out for that, especially if you know, again, I'm being offered to go back next year, so I'll see about that. But for now, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take a little break, and if you want to join us after this, you can do so by dialing in three one nine, five two seven five

zero one six. That's the number to call. Captain Trips threatened to call in earlier, but he's not gonna join us, I think, because he's working. But you listening out there right now, please join us. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six. We got Vans and Jimmy James both on hold. I'm gonna get back to them and we can just

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all. Big shout out to Gabriella Glenn for pulling it off along with her husband Kenneth Zendeker. Uh, you know, great stuff. They were able to pull this off. It was It was really nice to see Deborah Conway there as well, but but they were really, you know, the ones pulling the strings, so to speak. On the conference. Uh, great conference, terrible hotel. Everything is expensive in Dallas. I lost money on the trip by quite a bit. If it wasn't for you guys supporting me,

I would have been absolutely broke away earlier. And I couldn't have done it at all without my let's see, what would be the right word, My cantankerous friend BPTE, who can get angry at somebody in five seconds, and boy, let me tell you, doesn't back down from anybody. I don't always agree with him politically or anything else, but he he, he is my friend. I know he's loyal, I know he's uh, he's uh. You know what he might get under your skin out there listening.

I don't care. He's always got a spot with me because guess what is the man who does what he says and says what he does. So that's what's important to me overall. And was really glad to have him with me because I wouldn't have been able to pull off half of what I did without his help, including you know, the one day I lost my glasses. That was fun. Him and Ace got to watch me freak out trying to

find my glasses. You know, it's a little difficult for the blind guy to find his glasses to get a little bit of vision back when he can't remember exactly where he put him. So I'm sure that was another thing that's funny too, but it is what it is. And all I want to do is go out and have a damn cigarette, and I just couldn't find my glasses to do it. It was like this this operation. Plus I

had thrown my stuff all over the hotel room. I mean, I was a complete disaster and again could not have pulled it off without him helping me, sitting at my table making sure I had this stuff I need to keep rolling. When I couldn't get away to eat, he brought me food. I mean, you know, tell you man, you know who your friends

are when you're when you're in spots. And it was great to hang out with a lot of people and stuff, but again without this guy, you know, first doing all the driving, which was a long trip, you know, twelve hours from my place, plus however many hours for him to get to my place each time, where he took a nap at my place

in between all the driving, all the work. Anybody who listens to the show at all better know that The only reason why I could pull it off is because my co host was with me and my friend took care of me that weekend. So I just want everybody to know that before we go any further. And we still got Vance and Jimmy James on the line, so b Pete tell me who we should pick up the line on first, And like I said, we can talk about other stuff tonight if you want.

We got another forty five to fifty minutes something like that, I'll go a little after the ten o'clock time, especially if we get more calls, I'll go a little longer, even if Bpte has to drop. But otherwise, you know, if this is if this is all that calls in tonight, we'll talk to Jimmy James, Advance until we're done. So what do you say, B Pete, what should we do next? Well, Jimmy had some stuff he wanted to talk about, concerned documents on that, so we

can we can entertain that. But if you want to bring Vance on real quick and see if he's got anything he wants to discussed before we get into the JFK real we can check with him. Okay, So we'll check with Vance first, and you know again, yeah, exactly, and we'll go back into the JFK stuff for sure after that. So Advance, you're back on if you want. Tell everybody where they can hear you tomorrow night, because I guess you'll be doing that live on the New Prisoner whatever the Rumble

channel. I don't know which thing they do live at this point, but go ahead and tell people about that, promote it. That's tomorrow at seven o'clock Central times, so I haven't got a little clocker to look at anything. And the first time anybody asked me that. So yeah, it's a normally Saturday from seven o'clock, starts around seven o'clock sometime a little late, like you know everybody else is. It usually runs two three hours, so

you know, everybody interested, you'll pop on over. Well, you know, unlike some people. Vance, you know, some people are trying to undermine me right now, which I find really funny and trying to you know, like turn people away from what I do. I don't do that even to you know, people that think they're competing with me. And I always think of you as a friend. So guess what. You can promote your

show on here if you want so no problem. You know that's eight Eastern then right, if it's seventh Central, go ahead, tune in there. I say, listen to all of us, get get the podcast later if you don't want to hear it live, and so on and so forth. And I love what you have to say. That's why I've always had you on. I used to have you as a co host on this on this network. Uh, and I was hoping that we would do that again soon.

But whatever, you know, I definitely am not the guy who looks to undercut people, unlike the stories I got to hear, by the way this week from others about some other fun people that used to be over here and I thought were friends before. But I got a great one for you

off AIRBP. I'll tell you another day, not tonight, but I got a great one for you because you know, Don Jefferies just recently released a book that he co authored with with a couple of people, and uh, i'll tell you one of the people connected to John Jefferies and not Chris Graves, but somebody else. Boy interesting stories, interesting stories that he likes to

tell about me. Curious, you know, I'm some kind of uh, you know, wild devil worshiper apparently, you know, according to some people, uh, any evidence of devil worship the entire Let's see, you were with me for four straight days pretty much, right, I mean, do you see any devil worship? No, I see any devil worshiped. I didn't see the goats. I didn't see anything that any any hooves, you know, I think I think we're okay on that. Okay, you did

see four weenie dogs and four weenie puppies. You did see that. I mean I got puppies in my house now, right, yes? Yeah, like everything? Yeah, they bark at everything exactly. Isn't the question for everybody's question? For Vance and Jimmy and you? Why is it the smaller the dog, the more they love to bark. I've never understood that big dogs sit there and just look at you until they get ready to do something. Then they might give you a warning. But the smaller the dog,

that's all they do. Why is that? Man? We figured that? I don't know. I don't know. I mean I understand why it is because they're you know, they're they're kind of psychotic and you know, all that kind of stuff, and that's just the way they do defend themselves is by yapping, yapping, and because you know, a lot of things are scared by that in the animal kingdom with earlier or whatever, you know. But but my dad's wife, we live on a ranch, you know,

they live in another house over there and everything. But every dog she gets is one of a dog that's like that that that those me that can sit just yaps at everybody and my dad, everybody, people that are there every day. It doesn't matter how you you can't make friends, you know, Vince. Some of them will come up and let you a little ted up a little bit, but then they just go over there and start barking at you again. But it's only when she's not around, Okay, when she's

not there, they don't say shit, you know. And sometimes they do that too. But I'm just saying that, and she just did. I'd like to all them dogs could disappear. Even my dad he's like, you know, he's like, you know, we need to just you know, pay somebody to you know, snatch these dogs. But she'll just get another one just like it. So I don't know. Some people just like that kind of dog for some reason too. But it's missus O's fault. We got so many dogs in the house. You know, we rescued animals,

rehomed animals. I mean, I constantly got dogs in here. It's just it's her thing. I have nicknamed her Mama Wolf because she's just all about the dogs. It's just it's just who she is. Uh See, he needs big dogs. You need to get like a bull master for something something. They could eat three of the other dogs in one body and they wouldn't bark somebody, so they'd be sitting back waiting to see what the big guy

did see. But what's funny is I've had a couple of big dogs, and you know, the older weenie dog loose right intimidates the big dogs. She becomes She's like, oh no, no, no, no, I'm the head of this pack. And she will bark at them, she will snap at them, she will back them off of her food. She don't give a damn. Uh. Lucy is our our long standing family pet, and she she's she's a bitch. I mean, she's just rough. She don't play. You know, these little ones around her, she's like,

yeah, she kind of ignores them. Big dog comes though, she don't care. She she will back down the big dog. We had a red nosed pit bull. Uh what was it? What was his name? Oh, my goodness, I'm trying to think of his name now. Uh, but we re rehomed him. Uh. He had been abused somewhere else. And uh, he was huge, and she would snap at him and just put him in line. Didn't care. Dog could be five six times the size of her, No problem. She would still back them off, bark

at him, snap at him. She would handle them every single which way. So that's that's just how it is. Maybe we'll ask Jimmy James about dogs in a minute here, and maybe we'll ask somebody else about it. As we keep going. There was another caller and they came on and dropped off real fast. So anyway, anything else on your mind? Vance about

the dogs? I think Vance gave you the right answer, though. There's just something about that's their form of defense, because they got to do something to alert other animals that they are a dog, you know, because they're so small. I wouldn't own a dog that wouldn't behave, you know, in a reasonable manner. You know, it's like, you know, I got friends that got you know, great Danes and stuff, and they tell them go sit over there, and their dog go sit over there and doesn't

move, you know, to so they tell them to move. And you know, then other people just have those dogs and like I said, well that's fine. I'm not judging judging, you know, just it's like they just just too much for me. I don't want to have to be dealing with that. You know. It's like having a child. I got you, I got you on. Buster is my dog and he pretty much listens to me, but he's not the one that barks that much. He he'll join in when the others start at it. But we got two females that

yeah at everything. Uh. So that's that's what that's about. But anyway, p p Pete got to meet the the the mini mutt pack I have in this place. It's it's pretty funny. Like I said, there's four adult dogs and then there's four little puppies that are just about a month old that we're about ready to hand off to people. Hopefully they'll make them into Christmas presents, uh, you know, and and that's that. Uh and hopefully we won't have any more puppies. We'll have to get Buster fixed and

things will be all right. Anyways, anything else on your mind? Vance before we move on to Jimmy James and some of the stuff that he might want to talk about, and maybe we'll bounce back to you or whoever else as we go. No, not at all, skip to Jimmy alrighting, So with that in mind, we'll put advance on hold and go ahead and grab Jimmy James and see what he wants to bring up. So go ahead, sir, The floor is yours, all right, let me sure can Yeah, all right? So monst, well let's put this way. What

do you know about Dick Kane? Uh, mister Kane, Well, it depends, it depends because I've heard more than one person use that name. So which which one are we talking about? Richard Kine of uh POPIA and Chicago Police and FBI. And turns out he was always in the CIA fame. Yeah, multiple multiple informant allegedly right who who basically turns out was was under agency control. Yeah, sure, what about him? There's no Yeah, he's got a two on one file went through uh CI. Seems to

be the first outfit that owned him. See that's the thing you gotta go

yeah, you gotta go now. Well, I was just going to say something real quick, Jimmy, is that you got to go through the two on one file particulars because, as I stated on another show one night, which shocks some people, I said, you know, I could be a person of interest if two on one files were still commonly used, and I'm not sure if they are, uh that you could just be a person of interest to the CIA, and they will generate a personnel file which ends up

with that two one designations because you're simply a person of interest. But when you start to dig into it, you find out who's handling it, and you start to find out if they actually have a job and if they are being directed by someone when you go through the particulars. But simple existence of a two a one file is almost nothing. It just means that you were interesting enough that they wanted to make up a profile on you. Right.

But Caine, No, No, there's personal file and then there's a personality file. This was his whole file. There's handwritten No, it's same as that Howard Hants isn't there. And interestingly, also both of these characters were much more hands I'm involved with the Cubits than I ever would have thought. Hands Richard Kane was not only working for the CIA, who was working with the Cubans down there, right, you know that? Yes, one in the same. See that's the thing about Hunt, which is part of his

bona fide existence in the agency is his work with the Cubans. Right, huh yeah Hunt. But what about Dick Kane? Yeah, of course, of course, of course, of course when I ain't heard of them, so he was a janitor running Hughes. No, no, this is what I really want to get into. Well, now there there's a whole rabbit hole. Yeah, that's a rabbit hole. All interesting, but go ahead, right, Well, that's it's it's it's yeah, because you got to get into Mayhew. Well you got to get into Mayhew and you got to

you got to get into may Yeah. Good, yeah, yeah, yes, I want to get into Uh let's put well, let's put bad while to pass this around as far as that the same the man Howard Hughes was dead as a door nail by nineteen forty seven, and after that the CIA this was their biggest front company. I don't think that could be denied anymore? Would everyone agree with that. Well, and if you don't, then

you should really really read the new documents. Well, I would say that I never doubted that Hughes provided a whole lot of coverage for a whole lot of assets. I mean, even more than booth loose, right, Henry, you know Henry and Claire, who also provided them a lot. Gone, I don't think he was alive, Chuck, I'd say the man was

dead. Okay, the CIA what Howard Hughes from the late forties? Well, I don't know if it was that early, but I'm certain that he was dead for a while and they were still utilizing all of his assets because they had crawled into every single thing that that guy owned. And this, yeah, good, and I want to get it. Also, what is your guys' understanding what the octopuses was supposedly whatever, et cetera. Was it

or was it not? My understanding was it was a reference that the speaker of the house that crashed his plane in Alaska was talking about before he died in the nearly seventies. Okay, Well, there's a few people there,

but Castillaro's work on I think is pretty solid. You have the octopus as in the computer programs, right, which ended up being becoming other surveillance programs and getting into the echelon systems and all that, which is not their proper name, but is the commonly known name for all of that surveillance stuff that was you know, even pre internet, right when they had the the phone line intersections and all that stuff, and then continued on into the Internet age.

And it is unknown as to how far the octopus actually went in my mind today. And then you have the other concept of the octopus, right, which is the various agencies all coming together, all these different arms coming together into the one head, which is this unknown agency, this unnamed agency which is off the books. Right. So yeah, the two different concepts which are overlapping. Uh, but it all starts with that computer program in

my mind and Danny's work is there. That's what I think of the octopus. But a little that computer stuff that pop up into the eighties, Uh right, the uh this is ten years before. Who was that fool of the quest and lasting? Well it was he was very much I mean was Hillbox Hillbox doing the work commission right? And uh, yeah, I don't see the octopus he is referred to. Yeah, there might be a lot of tentacles. But why are you assuming that your agency because they reached it

ready, yes, but they reached into the the Okay. It is a matter of reaching into the government agencies and non governmental organizations both simultaneous. This is see, this is how you end up with Even back to the fifties, right, the intelligence agencies they wrote they wrote the book on how you hire people and you bring them in as assets and all that stuff. I mean you've heard this stuff on the Assassination Guide that I've done, right,

which was written for Central South America. Okay, well, yeah, So the thing is that concept where you can create an intersection for organized crime, political organizations, just like these Cubans, these different you know, the the dre, the jury, all of these organizations can all be swept in under the very same umbrella without a problem based on this organizations logistic thing like you and me always assumed Watergate. I mean, well, I'll speak to myself.

I believe it was also you and still is. I believe that the CIA had an awful act to do it then. But I was recently, for instance, watching a clip of Helms. It was less than two weeks after the water Gate fiasco, and he was addressing his employees. Of course, this was never aired until very recently. I never seen this clip, and he's talking. He's just basically assuring his employees that the CIA had nothing to do with Watergate. There's no reason to worry, he says, as

you know, none of you are engaged in that. And if you had read something in a tactical manual and ask for permission, I definitely wouldn't to give you permission to do something thing like that. He says. We have people to do these things in place, and believe me, if it had been them, they went and have been caught. Know this, unless they were meant to get caught, you know, that's unless they wanted to caught,

right. I think that for sure that James McCord. I think the only guy, ironically who probably knew the least was the guy that did the most time in the jail, the FBI guy, the g man you got it, Letty. Letty probably knew the least, and he kept his mouth shut the most. That's why he did the time he did. No, you you're absolutely I agree with you. That's that's the interesting part of this.

But when you take a look at the fact that all these guys are former agency people or were or you know, definitely doing work for them one way or another, and they're all over this thing. And then they bring in Liddy because he's a true believer, and he's you know, all about we gotta save America, we gotta save Nixon. I mean, it was like the perfect people to bring together. And then you got Hunt who had already been you know, washed out pretty much, he was no longer useful.

The way I see it, at that point, it's like the perfect team to put together so that you can make sure that these guys can all get caught. You know, Bill, you gotta gotta give You got to give Gordon Lyddy credit. I mean, he did his time, he took his punishment, came back and built a pretty decent career on radio. Yeah, so I got to give him tread for that. I mean, the guy was sneaky as hell, shady is all get out, but don't forget you know, the boss. Well, I'll tell you what I advice,

but yeah, he certainly is is. You know, you look at like Jack Abramoff, who got busted, didn't get anything out of it. Slap on the wrist, tried to blame it on everybody else, and he gets out of jail, people are offering them jobs left and right. Lyddy went down with his ship, took a lot with him when he went to jail, and nobody would do anything to help him out afterwards. And I thought, you know, look it all over north. He got off on a

technicality, or his butt would have been in jail. And he's saying, you know, just as loud as he could. That's one individual I thought should have always had to pull time. But you got to give credit to Liddy. He did be man of his word. And I'll tell you that HBO special that they did not too long ago, that multi part series about

the burglaries, the guy they had playing Liddy. I met Lyddy and I think it was ninety ninety two, maybe when he had that show, you know, the G. Gordon Liddy Show, and he was doing pretty well, and I got to meet him because I knew somebody worked at a DC radio station, and there he was. And this guy in person is exactly the guy that was being played on that screen. Man whoever, I can't remember the actor's name. He did an incredible job because I looked at him.

I said, that is literally the guy I met. I mean this g Gordon Liddy was not faking it in public when he did his things, when he pulled that crap in court. That's exactly the guy who he was according to when I met him. That's that's who I met. Is this character. He was a unique character. You gotta give him that. You know, I probably would have never agreed with a single damn thing the guy ever said politically or whatever. But one thing you had to give him is

that he was a real person. And two said, he did his time. He kept his mouth shut, and he said, nope, I'm not gonna bend on this or anything. Doesn't matter. Everybody else does. Everybody else gives up stuff. I mean, Colson's writing letters to the judge, all this crap is going on. Uh, you know he went. He

took it like a man. What can I say? You know, what do you think about Howard Dean Dean to this day is shuffled out to CNN to talk crap about Donald Trump. Dean Dean never even got a sanction against his ass for I mean, he was up to his neck in until things happened and decide to start screaming. I tell you, what do you talk about? A talk about a ball man? That just her? It takes me somebody's singing dance like that I put I put Dean in the same category

as I do Oliver North. Don't tell anybody else, says, you call me a hero if you want. Jane Dean Dean Dean was time to save his own skin and didn't care about anybody else. And he did it. If he had just shut his mouth shut, a lot of stuff wouldn't have been found out. But he's a rat. It was all to be dropped. And then he said, tape recorders, what what's that song? See? I thought that was not I thought that was Butterfield who brought that out

first. Wasn't an Alejander Butterfield who were all putting all Butterfield installed it. He's the one that insisted Nixon do it, and Butterfield was CIA. Yeah, but that's the interesting I thought Butterfield first when they brought him in front of the committee, right, I thought he was the first guy to like say, oh, by the way, all this stuff is probably on tape. I thought he was the guy who alerted Maybe I got that backwards.

Yeah, I think as hired Dan. I think that's why he got such a sweet, sweet deal, because he was the only one to bring anything tangible. I mean, the whole thing was just gonna dissolve in or nothing. Whoever brought up the ticks, I thought it was Dean, But I don't think the Butterfield tough much. Did he Well, he did testify, I know he testified. I just can't remember if the order was that he testified about the tape recorders and then people started going, well, what's the

pen of that? Or if it was Dean that first brought it up. But I could have swore it was Butterfield. You know what, I'm gonna go do a little search on that while I'm at it, just to you know, just see what see what the infrawebs say about it, because uh yeah, let me just look up Alexander Butterfield. See what he's best known for. But again, another guy who's you know, everybody who sabotaged it

all is his agency. I mean, everybody who threw monkey wrenches in there his agency, except maybe Dean wasn't you know, I bet you the gene was I picked you? How I picked the g Man wasn't and that's about it. And the rest of them, I think, yeah, they were CIA, but yeah, I also think that they were Rose well look and some of them. Yeah, I'm not saying I always like to lean into Wikipedia. But when you go to a Butterfield on Wikipedia, one of the

first things that comes up is revelation of the taping system. So you know, let's see, uh one that put it on Erlokman. He Dean tried to cover Nixon's but by saying it was all Erlokman's idea and he did it on his own. But and I didn't know this, but Dean did get disbarred after he took his one one guilty plead, after you know, working out a deal. So I thought I thought he went unscathed. I was mistaken. Now that's weird. That's weird because I thought he was disparred before

the find the Nixon administration for something you did in the Navy. Now after his plea deal on Watergate is when he was disbarred. Now that's in Maryland. I don't know if it was another state or if it was in d C. But yeah, okay, of course I forgot. You can have the bar member of the bar in several states or something. Right, right, Well, according to what I'm reading here, apparently in an attempt to impugne Dean's testimony, because Dean had testified but not about the taping system.

In an attempt to impugne Dean's testimony, they went and sought out, you know, the Butterfield, and they get Butterfield there, who then gives them the initial idea that everything is on tape. The existence of the taping system, that was the thing. So yeah, it looks to me like they were going after Dean's test stimony and they get a document that basically says,

hey, look, Butterfield knows about the taping system. And then they brought him in public to testify and he said, yeah, that's what went on. And apparently there's video of it out there. I guess we can find it somewhere. Yeah, let's see in the obtained in the document, has realized that indicated the existence of the taping system. So right, and that was with J. J. Fred Birch Bizard, I don't even remember that

guy. Let's see, provided the committee's Chief Minority Republican Council, Fred Thompson, with a document intended to impugne Dean's testimony. His document included almost verbatim quotations from meetings Nixon had with Dean. Thompson initially violated an agreement under which the majority and Minority staff would share all information when the committee. Yees see, that's the thing. They provided that to Fred Thompson and h and then

he revealed it and said, we got to get Butterfield in here. When they got Butterfield in there, he publicly said, yeah, we taped everything, and that's why we had direct quotes, exact quotes that we were able to provide to you. So about trying to impune Die about what he knew. So that's how that came about. But and then I guess and then after that it just fell into place. And let's see, in June of

seventy three, all this went on. So okay, that's what I'm reading anyhow, Yeah, wow, ye, So anyways, what was the so yeah, and also don't forget Menchell, the guy who lived in the later Gate, if he did period knowledge, well, he wound up resigning and all that, and his wife was running around saying eight thousand things. And

then there's the whole adventure with his wife. Right, we're a little in ementary here that describes how Dean was still White House counsel, but he was working with the Prosecutor's office and it was him giving the prosecutors which direction to ask questions that led to them questioning Butterfield and the revelation about the tapes came out. So apparently it was Dean kind of leading the prosecutor on to reveal

the tapes were there. See, they got this other thing here with them handing a document to Thompson, you know, on the committee where it's like, wait a minute, how did you get direct quotes? And I don't know, you know, it could be there's multiple stories on this, just like you know, people want to go, well, who do you think deep Throat was? You know, like, which is funny because I thought that was settled a couple of years ago. But uh no, I don't

believe that. I think grab you got the kidding me. They grabbed some smiling ninety five year old with all timers and bring them out waving. Now I'll buy it. Deep Throat was not that dude. Well, wasn't only that dude? Well? You know, according to uh, Clyde Lewis the other night. I think he was trying to say George H. W. Bush was deep throat or something. I'm like, I don't understand you.

Yeah, that's just stupid. But interestingly, one week before that story Burke that was a big like ABC News actually aired a special was George Bush or deep Throat? And then like one week later, I crap you not, they brought that old guy out said well here's deep throp mister. So interesting how they do that, isn't it? Mark Mark? Mark? No, Mark, so, Mark Felts, Mark Felps. He was the number three and he after Hoover died, he was po that he didn't get made directors,

probably why he was snitching. And uh yeah, he was singing like a canary, but I don't think it was just too Yeah, Clyde was killing me on the show the other night because he kept insisting on going back to this, you know, JD. Tippins's body being swapped for JFK's And uh oh, yeah, that's what I was going to talk to you about. I read the summary of that zero ground zero show, as I call

it crap. I read several paragraphs on that theory before they mentioned that you're gonna be on the ass, like, huh, why would he invite Chuck? Yeah? Well, and then he had a call. It's too funny too. This one caller gets on and goes, I read two books on the case and I know everything I need to know. And he goes, you know, one of them was JFK and The Unspeakable and the other one was me and Lee and I said, oh my god, you know. And then we went to commercial break and I'm like, oh, you did

not let me get and hit. I mean, I finally got back on the other side. I said, you know, before we go any further, Clyde, first thing is Judith Arry Baker's Full of Crap and a story. Next, I would recommend that you read JFK. The Unspeakable, but uh. And I recommended Walt Brown's book right there on his show, but uh. And then he's yelling at me about a Carter appointing Bush to be CIA director and I'm like, Clyde, stop, stop, stop, you're wrong. It's Ford, who you know did that? I said. The

funny thing about Carter is he tried to put ted Sorenson in. And here's an interesting side note. I want to see which one of them laughs first. Ready, guys out there, it will be b Pete or Jimmy who laughs first when I say this? Okay, Jimmy Carter appoints Ted Sorenson, who was the speech writer for JFK, to try and be the head of the CIA. A particular senator whose name you know killed that assisted in killing

it for a particular reason. That senator was Joe Biden. And why did Joe Biden really go after Ted Sorenson being appointed to the head of the CIA and wound up you know, he ended up with jen what was it, Admiral Stansfield Turner right, ended up being the guy who was ineffective as CIA leader because he just nobody wanted him in there, okay, and they weren't going to work with him. He wasn't inside guy. But Sorensen got scuttled

by Joe Biden and the gang of senators. Why ready, mishandling of classified documents. I'm not kidding you. Look it up. I swear to God, and I told that to Clyde. I said, do you find that hilarious or no? I do. Come on, you guys, don't find that funny? No, I find nutshell? Is that not the the the

the apex of hypocrisy? I mean, I mean it was the nineteen seventies, but come on, inside the Beltway, you know, did you have politicians constantly complaining about something somebody else is doing and they're all just projecting? Oh yeah, No, usually the guys. Yeah, Usually the guy who's screaming the loudest about somebody else doing something awful is exactly the guy you're going to bust doing that awful thing. That's the funny part about it. Yeah,

right, Jimmy, isn't that true? I've heard that? Yeah. I mean, but but think about did you? I mean, and you didn't know that, did you? That Joe Biden scuttled the sorens and appointment to head of CIA under that premise that he had mishandled classified documents while he was involved working in the Kennedy administration. Isn't that great? No? No, And see that kind of really makes me bad because that there would have been a guy who might have actually done something. Yeah, that's exactly what

I was thinking. Yep, Man, Joe Biden's never been right. Twice in one day, I swear, No, I got you no, this is this is the guy who could miss the ground falling down. I mean, I don't know what to say. I just it is unbelievable to me that he doesn't if Joe going to have a horse shoe up his butt.

I don't know what the issue is. You know, to to have you know, to to have that as your past, you know, fighting somebody that's a nominee for something, and then to turn around just days ago they announced they're not going to charge Biden for having crap he wasn't supposed to have from way back when he was a senator. That's why I'm so fed up with freaking Washington, d C. And all the assholes that are inside the

belt line, because it's just it's it's it's just pathetic. We have become one pathetic nation that we can't prosecute somebody for something that was a blatant breaking of the law because of their elite status. I'm just sick of it. I'm so sick of it. I know, but you know, welcome to America. I see it. I know, I know not everybody likes to see it that way, but I say, you know what, the only problem with being a criminal is If you're not a connected, hooked up criminal,

you go to jail. Otherwise you get to wander free. It doesn't matter who you rip off, it doesn't matter what you do that is dishonest. It doesn't matter what classified information you sell, it doesn't matter what other foreign nation you sell out to. Unless you are a large scale criminal. See, if you're not a big enough fish, they won't throw you in the tank. That's the thing. If you're a big enough fish, they can't throw you in the tank. That's America in a nutshell in my mind.

If you're a big enough criminal, you can't be prosecuted. Very simple. You'll walk every time. That's all there is to it. But don't be a low level criminal in America. H don't be selling dimebags. Nope, you better be a trafficker, and a massive one at that, because then you can cut a deal and walk away. Don't steal one hundred dollars, don't steal one thousand dollars. Don't steal ten thousand dollars. Steal billions or billions, because that is how you don't go to prison. See that's

the way I see it. So you know, never steal small, Never do things small, because that's that's how you'll go to prison. I don't know, maybe it's just me again. I'm gonna stop giving my opinion on the Friday night shows because it's just it. It's too much anymore. I want to hear from you guys. Like I said, so b Pete,

we're coming down to you know, the last little bit here. I think we'll go about another seventeen minutes, but I want to give everybody a chance to speak if anybody else wants to join us here at the very tail end three one nine five two seven five zero one six, Probably nobody's going to join us. Did you put any I haven't been in the chat room, by the way, is there anything interesting going on there? Chat tonight? Well being phase? Let's see who else? Couple other short us here,

Let's see we phase? Who else? A couple of anonymous is in the room. Not a lot going on. I will give a public service announcement. If anybody needs to check the color on their TV. I would suggest turning on Fox College Football, your local Fox station, not not Fox Fox, you know, the one that everybody hates. Because Oregon State is playing Oregon and my TV is going into spasms. Now the color manager doesn't know what to do. If you're watching this, you can see one team in

kelly green and yellow and the other in burnt fluorescent orange. Wow. So just be prepared for the graphic plant. Uh, it's pretty intense. Otherwise it's a great game. But no beyond that, An still with us. Yeah, I believe he is. You want me to just bum Okay, I'll put Jimmy on hold for a moment. I love this Watergate talk though, Jimmy. It is great stuff, and I'd love to go back over

it. Maybe I can convince Morley to show up again to promote his book again or something, and we can get maybe we can get some other people. I know some other people I want to bring on the show for that topic actually, because I'd like to go back over it and get get a lot of stuff straight. But let's bring Vance back on for now, and we'll end up getting Jimmy back in before we're done, for sure. So

Vance, I don't know you heard some of what went on here. If you want to throw something else in, uh, you got time, go ahead. I'll just you know, to say the DT. That's the difference in a libertarian and an anarchist. There's two more election cycles, so you know, hopefully people are going to figure it out here pretty soon. It's it's you know, the Washington d C. The whole system is a criminal

enterprise. Okay, so you know, criminals in, criminals out. There's some kind of phrase I heard recently about criminals don't become politicians politicians or yeah, politicians don't become criminals, criminals become politicians. You know. So you know that that seems to be pretty you know, self evident. And like you said, the CIA is the biggest drug snuggler and you know they're they're not accountable for it. That's a chromo organization, isn't you know. I

mean, all this stuff has been exposed over and over and over. It's an open seat. Oh yeah, government cartel that seems to be running things now. It's just I think people get a little tired of it. I keep hoping that I think it's the same it's the same cartel that took over it during the Kennedy administration, which you know, I don't know how much of a takeover it was versus just a shifting gears, you know, to to you know, go go full steam without even worrying about it anymore,

you know. And you know, by that time, I guess they, you know, got a pretty good handle on the propaganda. And then they hold on to the Zapruder film for over twenty years, and you know, so who knows, you know, what's been manipulated or you know, withheld in that footage. And it seemed like I saw something, and don't hold this against me. I saw something. There was like a picture and I

didn't It was like an art film and I didn't click on it. But there was like a picture of someone else that is supposedly there's a JFK. You know, guy that could be JFC still alive, but it's not Jamie Carter. It didn't look like heard it any Is that ring a bell? Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff like that out there. But here's the thing about you know, people that say, okay, we didn't see the

Subruterer film for all these years. Actually, if you went and bought volume eighteen of the Warren commissioned volumes, they printed the Zubruterer film frame by frame, you know, so I was printed in nineteen sixty four. Out there, you could actually get that. I think it's Volume eighteen. You could look at that one the next film in the much More film. All three

of them were printed frame by frame. Now, they did grew up and reversed a couple of frames in the government printing office there, which you know, people complained about because it made something seem a little strange. But otherwise all the frames that we wind up seeing later on Heraldo Show in seventy five were printed in nineteen sixty four. Publicly, you know, I've always wanted a copy of which Jimmy had brought up that he might be able to get

a hold of those Warren Commission volumes. I want an update on that because I recently saw the cheapest one sold in quite a while is selling on eBay right now for two grand, the complete volumes. But I believe it's Volume eighteen that contains all the frames of the Supruter film. Good. Yeah.

In response to vance she had, Chuck and I had a discussion while we were driving, and you know, Chuck made the comments that even as the government opened up and confessed tomorrow and said, okay, folks, this is what happened, this is who was an ball, and this is how it went down, you'd still have arguments over it because half the people WHI off that that wouldn't believe them because of all the craft that they've been putting out

for years, and the other half would just sit there and argue about, well, there's no way that could have happened because of such and such, such and such and such and such. So even if we had the information out in front of us, you know, how well received would it be

that big? I've said that on this I've said that on this show that that exact thing is like, you know that you know, we're never going to know for sure for sure, because you know there's always going to be these you know, different you know ask you know, perceptions and you know focuses by different people with you know, certain proclivities or whatever. You know, So you know that to me, you know, it's it's kind of

almost getting to be like a sy off at this point. You know, who knows you know, what's real what's not, you know, And maybe that's part of the sy of you know, there's you know, they'll tell you you know there's a little bit of truth here, and and you know that makes us you know so well, you know it seems to be kind of just a normal propaganda, you know, I understand, yeah, I

understand that advance. But you know what the counter is, in my mind, the reason why it's still worth it is because we continue to learn so many other things, uh that are connected to this, how certain things work,

how they manipulated media assets, et cetera, et cetera. That that to me, even if the ultimate truth is not being repealed, you know, by the revelations from the documents and so on, we are learning a great many other things about the the grand deceptions, about the things where we've been misled about, you know, dragging us into a you know, one of my key points always is about the Vietnam War and that it was not necessary, you know. And and that's the thing is that how did they

justify that with a bullet hole through a ship's hull? You know, maybe that happened one night with with the attack there the Gulf of Tonkin, the alleged attack, even though we were actually violating somebody's territorial waters with our ships and this and that and blah blah blah. You come to find out that the thing that they said was a justification to carry that on for a decade didn't even happen. You know, stuff like that gets learned definitively through this

research. You get to learn that, you know what, somebody has a public job title, maybe they were doing something else behind the scenes. You know, the various investigations in the seventies because of public pressure, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, the family Jewels documents. You know, people learned about contingency plans and strange things like north Woods. You know, exactly how is it that our government might might decide to provoke a conflict with

a foreign nation under false pretenses? You know, Well, things like that mean that there's a possibility that people might push back against that kind of crap. You know, they might push back against it, and it might change people's minds enough that at some point they will have enough of all of this and there might be changes that are forced, and it might be incremental and it might take you know, generations, but at some point, I mean,

we have the opportunity to get this right. That's what I keep hoping for it And and I didn't mean to be you know, uh, you know, degrading everything. In my opinion of that happening. I mean, you know, saying that I'm glad there's people like you and you know, like the young kid you're man you were talking about, you know earlier and all that, it's important to keep doing it. It's just that, you

know, there's That's not one of my main focuses. I'm trying, you know, I want to focus on how do we, you know, get enough people to understand, you know, quit quit trying to find a find details, and just recognize the fact that the system is broken and we need to totally rearrange it. And you know, it's not really that hard to

do. It just takes a little imagination and little want to. But you know, the way that they keep everybody running around chasing their tails on every little thing, you know, every day, it's really hard to you know, make that happen. But you know, so that's just what I'm saying.

I wasn't really trying to dismiss, you know, any investigations or you know, people that are you know, really into it and all that, and that you know, there's a pruder film when I when I understand that, you know, Henry Loose was a skull and bones and you know, and all that on time life and all that. So you know, there's

you know, there's a mechanism for you know, collusion there. And you know, I'm sure they had technology to you know, do whatever they wanted to do with you know, a film, to produce you know, slides from or whatever. So you know, and that's just my nature. Like you say, you know, no matter what, you know, someone else will who's this to somebody else is going to think, well, you know, that's still suspicious to me. And you know, so that's just part

of the nature of the beasts. See, I'm figuring this. I figure this, and this is my big hopeful statement, right, is that no matter what mechanism we use to convince people that these things are broken, these things have not been run properly. These things have not been done the way that we the people would want it, see, to my knowledge, the way things are supposed to work. And you know, it's this wonderful organization

of this experiment that this country was supposed to be. Right, is that we the people are actually the ones who are supposed to be in charge. That's the way I see it. And it's not you know, people go, oh that the supreme powers the federal government, then come the states, and then no, no, no, no, no no, we the people are supposed to be in charge. Common wealth isn't so common anymore,

No, it's not. But the idea is that they're supposed to represent us, right, that's the representative part of the republic, is that they're supposed to represent us. And that's not what is going on here. So, you know, any way to reverse that or repair that, or convince people that something else must be done. There must be innovation, you know, to create these things. There must be a better way to implement that, to make that work the proper way. That to me is the best part

of it. That that is the best possibility and the thing that I keep hoping for in this entire circumstance. Right, So, one way or another, we convince them on as many levels as possible, how broken it is, how ill informed everyone is, how you know, massively deceived. We have been by the systems you know that are all working hand in glove with one another. While we're not working together, we're working against one another, person to person. And that's the problem. That's the way I see it.

I know it's crazy, and you know a little too optimistic and all that. But that's that's why, that's why all of these pursuits are necessary, and and your your ideas, what you want to convince people love. I'm with you, you know, and uh, And I want I go into the details on certain things because I've got particulars that i want addressed. I want justice done. I want accountability for some of the crimes that I feel were committed on massive numbers of people through deception. But anyway, that's

just me. And again, I don't want to give any of these speeches anymore, and I don't want to do this on the Friday Night Show anymore. I want to hear from all you guys from now on. That's what I want to do. And I want to really let BP take the lead. And in that spirit, BP, should we bring Jimmy on and kind of go a little chaotic here towards the end and just get out of here

in a couple of minutes. What do you think? Yeah, bring them on and we'll go ahead and start winding things down because I am fading fast. Yeah, you and me both, So okay, I've got advanced you know what, I'm gonna put advance on hold. Let Jimmy speak for a minute. Uh, and then and then we're gonna close things out. Jimmy, what do you think a night sounds good? Well? First up, the devil's in the details. And we need to know history so as not to repeat it, Yes, sir, and we need an accurate history.

Not only a house divided can't stand, but a house built upon dumb cannot stand. And uh yeah, And one thing I do agree with John Judge about is this thing isn't the riddle of the It just it was a crime. Of course it could be solved. So other than everyone have a good week, got us. There you go, Jimmy, James can't argue with you on any of that. Meanwhile, we'll go back around advance advance, how'd you like to cap off this show? Just you know, I'm I'm

not dismissing, you know, further investigation. You know, everybody needs to start thinking critically about everything. It's time to question everything you thought was true. And so you know, it doesn't matter what I say or whatever you need. Everybody needs to start thinking about it. And you know that is happening on different levels, and you know, not everybody gets there at the same time. But you know it's getting to be pretty obvious right now.

But you know that the the best we can do is to keep having these conversations amongst ourselves and you know, of the only way you change, you know, reality is by changing your perception of reality. So you know, we're at a really dangerous time, you know, all the stuff that's going on, you know right now, you know it could go really really bad, really really quick, you know. So it's it's getting to that point where something's got to something's got to break here pre seen or it's going to

be too late. And you know, I've said that, you know that that's been possibility for a long time and can always remain a possibility. But the way that you know things are, you know, kind of laying out now there's a whole lot of you know, a whole lot of fire is going on at one time, and they're not doing a very good job putting

them out. So uh, I'll leave that out with that. And on the show on Saturday Night, Anarchy, we talk about a little bit of everything, and I'm mainly going to try to start talking more about the anarchy you know, aspect and you know, trying to bring a little bit of conversation to that, to the to the conversations that go on. So you know, anybody wants to check that out at seven o'clock Central tomorrow and thanks for letting me be here, right. Look, the last thing though,

where can they find it? Because it'll be live on what is it live on Rumble or is it live? Do you know where it's live? Yeah, it's live on TNP for sure. I'm not sure. Like I said, I don't have any invested interest in you know, they just asked me to be a podcast host co hosts, so you know, I'm not you know, other than just you know, trying to I'm willing wanting to talk, you know to anybody that will listen. And you know, so the

more conversations we're having, the more places we can the better. And TNP for sure. And then there's always links you know to wherever else they're you know, found in the show notes and all that stuff. So right right, Well, look, people can look through past show notes of mine and probably find the new prisoners on on Twitter and I think they announced the shows

on Twitter as they go. I'm not sure where it air is live originally if they were going live on Rumble or if I can't remember, but yeah, go go get it. Listen in advance tomorrow night at eight pm Eastern, seven pm Central, and there you go. So I will put let's see I guess that puts advance on hold and leaves us with Bpete to give you the final word for the week. Well, another week has passed. It's been a hectic week of very hectic week. I'm glad to be back

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