The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet Window dot Com and listeners like you and now and now in our media, Underrated, underappreciated, underscored all the way around the O'Kelly effect. We are live here on guess what, the second day of November. I have many attempts to go live this week and we haven't gotten there. Uh, but but here it is Thor's Day, and happily I'm here with Mike Swanson, the guy behind Wallstreet Window dot com. Be in the know. Go to Wallstreet Window dot com. A lot of
stuff over there, not just about Wall Street. Also the author of Why the Vietnam War and The War State? Okay, two books that hey look, you might see them in the sidebars there at o'celly dot com, especially that red book The War State, highly recommended by me, and I am anxiously awaiting the next volume, which Mike says to me he is going to be working on quite a bit in the coming months. But we're going to talk about other stuff that Mike might be working on within the next few weeks.
He's got a presentation coming up. We'll talk about that and a few other things. Meanwhile, what is going on in the world. Well, are you allowed to have an opinion? Are you allowed to see things in a way outside of the box. Are you supposed to only go to your assigned corners right your neutral corners? As the fights go on in the world. Are you supposed to only be in support of certain things? And you
will be punished excessively otherwise? Indeed, that is true. And now I've got complaints coming in about the Friday Night show, which are new new complaints. People giving me a lot of flak for my opinion before now giving me flack for not giving opinions. Got to love that. I'm trying real hard to make the Friday night shows fun and I'm really really looking forward to what it is I'm going to talk with Mike about in a moment, which is
the Lancer Conference coming up the seventeenth through the nineteenth of November. That's this November. That's a couple of weeks away, and I'm taking a road trip with BPT. I'll be there live. If you want to see me, you can go to the Lorenzo Motel in Dallas, and there are plenty of links on many of my podcasts, so you can go if you like,
and you can be there virtually if you want as well. I'm gonna be the MC there and by the bye, last little announcement before I get into my conversation with Mike, I will be on Coast to Coast AM live as a guest. I'm booked four November eighteen, apparently ten pm to midnight Pacific. On the eighteenth of November. I'm gonna be the JFK guy on Coast to Coast AM. I'll be talking to Richard Saratt, which I'm really happy about. Happier to be talking to Sarah than I am than I would be
with Nori even and I've never done Coast to Coast before. That'll be the largest radio audience i'll I've ever been in front of, So you know it's gonna be interesting. They're gonna get to actually hear my opinions because we're going to be talking JFK that night, and I'm real solid on that. It's not about politics, it's about evidence there and guess what, it's going to
be a lot of fun. So I'll give you guys links to things like that and maybe we'll discuss it a little more before I actually go live and go on that road trip, but looking forward to it. So once again, the seventeenth of the nineteenth of November, I'll be at the Lancer Conference, Okay, the twenty twenty three Lancer Conference, because it's been sixty years
since JFK was assassinated. And I'll be the MC for that event. And in the middle of that, on the eighteenth, the night of the eighteenth, at ten pm Pacific time, I will go live on coast to coast AM. So wanted to get those things out there. And in the meantime, what am I doing surviving with the ocell effect, the network, all of that good stuff. And one of the reasons why I do is because of this guy, Mike Swanson. Mike, I'm going to turn it over
to you now that I've run my mouth for a couple of minutes. And we went to the stream late. Podcasters you don't care. You don't know what time we went to the stream, but we went live late. I had a little technical issue. But you know what, at this point, why not It's it's been a strange time. Financially, I'm wondering because look, I know that you write stories about a lot of stuff, local politics. You put out stories, you distribute news about geopolitical issues of all sorts,
et cetera. But you are known as a financial guy Wall Street window, after all, and you have focused on that a lot in your media presentations and your content creation. And I gotta say, it's got to be a strange landscape for you, just like it is in politics, because I don't know, I'm getting these weird things happening where people are saying, well, you know, the economy still sucks, but it's improving again. I'm hearing this crap just like I did after the collapse in two thousand and eight.
You know, the economy is getting better. The economy is getting better, and yet anybody I know is not doing well, is struggling more and more, is having more of a vice script put on them in the financial circumstances. Now. Again, I don't know a lot of people who play the markets or who have you know, massive investments, etc. But you know those of us little people out here trying to survive, Mike, I gotta say, we're noticing. It ain't getting any easier. Your paycheck's not
going up, but the prices at the grocery store sure are. If you want a roof over your head. That's going to cost you more. And yet I got a lot of people telling me in their news articles that, well, the economy's improving, this and that is getting better. We're seeing greater job numbers, We're seeing stronger this, that and the third thing. And I find the entire landscape really confusing and disconnected from reality. But then again, isn't that the way the news runs in all the many avenues on
the map of what they call news. How do you observe this currently? I mean, is there sort of an unre you know, kind of aspect to the financial news, just like there is to the rest of the news out there? I mean, do you get punished for your opinions if you go against the tide? I mean, you're not supposed to say the American economy is in the toilet, even though kind of just waiting for that flushing noise myself. But but then again, if you don't acknowledge it, what
planet are you on? I mean, Mike, what do you have to say to stuff like that? Well, I've been producing less and less and less content about the stock market, the economy, and that whole world. And one of the reasons why is that sort of the situation you're talking about, I don't really you know, people that I'm writing too, you know, they want to hear about ideas and how to make money, trading a stock to buy and so forth. And the market is in a state where
I don't really think it's going to do much for years. I don't just mean, you know, one year, but for ten years. I don't think it's going to provide a big return for people. So I'm not excited about it. And the only way I see for people, you know that want to trade the market to make money is to wait for it to have these declines and buy low, which happened every couple of years, and so you have to wait for that opportunity. That's not what people want to hear.
They wanted an idea right now, and they've been in the financial mainstream media and the so called alternative media have melded and become one over the past couple of years. It wasn't like that when I first got into this now in the year two thousand, year, twenty three years ago. Let me
see if I got this straight. Let me just see if I got this straight, Mike, because what it sounds like you're saying to me is very similar to what it is I've been saying out loud privately mostly lately, is that, you know what, if I provide my real analysis to circumstances, whatever they may be, it's not what people want to hear. What they want to hear right now from you as a financial guy, is tell me what the secret stock is, Tell me what the you know what that long
shot surprise is going to be later that other people didn't see coming. And other than that, if they want to know, you know, stuff in the financial business world, then they want to know what the next great business opportunity is, not only for investment, but how do I position myself to benefit from it one way or another. It could be about what is the
next trend in business? Right? You know the online stores. The people that got ahead of that curve have been very successful, made themselves very wealthy. Stuff like that. Right So, even if you take a look at your YouTube commercials, I don't know about you, but I'm getting inundated with I have the secret business. I'll give you my book, I'll give you my seminar, but I've got the secret business for you. I've got the
secret bet for you. To place one way or another financially, and that's really what a lot of people want if your honest analysis is, look, this situation is kind of stagnant. It's gonna be this way for a while, and what you're gonna have to do is patiently wait things out. Well, that's not exciting. That's like how you're gonna make a movie about a war. Then when when the generals are saying, what we need to do is hold our resources back and wait for an opening. Yeah, yeah,
exactly, exactly. And it's linked to the way you describe the economic situation. But why is that not the message you know when you turn on the tell television or the alternative media in a slightly different way, but both have messages of either the economy is just booming and everything's good and everything's improving, and unemployments down and you gotta, you know, so invest because you know
it's a good time here. And the people that are running the Federal Reserve, they tell you, are really masters of what they're doing and are good at managing the situation for you, or the alternative message would be we're on the edge of collapse and it's coming next week. In reality, I think what's really happening is the current situation of stagnant is the way to describe it is going to continue for years, well, stagnation, and stagnation doesn't sell
stagflation. That's it's almost like stagflation won in the in the late seventies right well throughout the seventies pretty much. That's that's what the good. You know, nothing's exactly no, it's not quite a parallel, but it's similar the best parallel we got right now. The funny part is describe it. What people want when it comes to content, whether it's on TV or it's in you know, newsletters or anything else, what they want is something that you're
not offering. If you're gonna tell them, look, it's stagnating, you're gonna have to be patient. Nobody wants to hear that. So in the MSM, what they want is everything's good. It's all fine, okay, no problems. We're actually getting better things even though it looks bad out there. Guys, Really the secret is it's actually good. The alternative side, right the outside the boxes in the financial world, alternative people do some of them do that too, that same message. They just hype it up more
well, they try and stress timing right. Well, for example, they won't simply say this is a good economy or this is a good time. They will say, we're on the edge of a technical revolution that's going to change everything, and AI is going to change your life. And they were saying this about metaverse, they're saying this about bitcoin, and this year they're
saying this about AI and that's already peaked out. As far as the stocks that were going up as part of that, dope and marijuana was also a trend several years ago, and yeah, you saw marijuana, you know, legalization throughout the country, but they were promoting penny stocks of marijuana companies and they just you know, all went busted because most of these companies were garbage.
So it's a lot of pump and dump. And speaking of speaking of open games, speaking of hype and games, something I've noticed is that you know what, I'm not seeing the massive push on the robin hoods and the hey play these stock market home games. Well, robin hood has shifted its resources. So yeah, I don't you know, have the exact figure right in front of me, but something like twenty million people open up robinhood accounts in twenty twenty, and well over half of those people wiped out. They're
gone from the market, they're not trading. More than half actually financial. They wipe their accounts out, and it's there aren't a lot of new people getting into it because they don't have this stivvy money, you know, like they did in twenty twenty. There isn't this flock of young people new opening up new Robin accounts. So that whole mania of trading is you know,
behind us. So what Robinhood is a company, has done, is shift from being a company where they want you to open up brokerage accounts to a company that wants to feed customers credit cards and make money off debt, create as many you know, people indebted to them as they can, and then charge over twenty percent interest, just like MasterCard and other you know credit card companies, and squeeze and squeeze and squeezes people. And that's the new and
the new robin Hood. Well, see now that's going on. And I also see there is a trend again in the you know, look we're outside the box. We're thinking, you know, outside of the typical. I see a trend in trying to get people involved in and I don't think it's a poor idea either. Electronic transactions of all sorts, right, get get behind PayPal, get behind you know, these independent banks, these other services, right, these things that offer you the debit cards. You know,
you see them all the time. It's for Chime and Dave and whatever else. Right, these things, we're not really a bank, but they're all a bank. They're all some kind of bank. They're backed by a bank. That's how they got their visa MasterCard logos. But they're stressing this idea of you can make money off of the financial transactions because guess what, every time you move or use your money anymore, there's a fee attached to it. Right, If you make a purchase, there might be a fee.
You open a card, you make a deposit, you make a withdrawal, there's these fees. And I see a little weird trend of get in on that part of the business because that's universal, it's not dependent on a product or anything. Yeah, it's all nonsense. The idea that these electronic transaction things are gonna create, you know, is revel or great economy YEP is probably one of the biggest hoaxes in alterning me in our lifetime example, Well,
what funny thing. Here's the funny thing to me, though, is you know, these are the same people who are telling me that NFTs were the future, and it is the same people with the cryptocurrency, because they're saying, look, you can be part of this thing where the cryptocurrency. Now it's so funny to me because it was supposed to be way outside of the system. It was, you know, the thing that the system couldn't
track, the governments couldn't control, et cetera, et cetera. But now they're trying to push it as Look, you can be part of any of these transactions where you'll be able to benefit, whether it's crypto or it's you know, regular currencies, or it's people making trades get in on the money
being made from the transactions themselves. I'm not kidding, by the way, that this is one of those things that people are pushing and I'm looking at it going wow, this is like really, I mean, this is like after the vultures are done with the carcass, somebody's going, look, there's still bones there to work with. Let's go after the bones. I mean, that's what it looks like strategically to me. But maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I'm not a money guy. It's just it's weird, though,
isn't it to see that this kind of thing. So go ahead, you're saying this is a tremendous hoax, and this, by the way, still isn't the main topic we're going to get to. Well, I mean it's simple. I mean you just use bitcoin as example. Let's say all other bitcoin was the only way to do any transaction, all other currencies were wiped out, declared illegal, and the only thing that existed was bitcoin,
right, that's it, just bitcoin. Well, the whole economy will completely collapse if that was if bitcoin was the only way to commit to transactions, the complete opposite of what the bitcoin evangelists tell you. They'd say bitcoin will liberate you. Now, if bitcoin was the only transaction and allowed, it would turn it would destroy the whole world, the complete opposite of liberation.
How is that possible? Well? The flaw and there are in the bitcoin belief system is that every time a transaction is made with bitcoin, when you withdraw money, take money out, use it to buy something, they you're charged. You're charged the fee for that and that goes to the bitcoin exchanges
and so forth. Well, every time. What that would mean is that every single time there's a transaction, money is actually being taken out of the economy, out of your hands, out of the hands of the other person, and the fee is being charged, you know, for economic activity and
going to these crypto exchanges. If that was the only way to to do transactions within a week, you know, every time, you know, every time, the money supply of the bitcoins would shrink, shrink, shrink, shrink, and eventually there'd be you know, hardly any and people, you know, every every time you use it, you lose money, you know, and there and they make money. Parasitism, I got, I got you. But then and the biggest hoax that these people for you know,
for some people. But it doesn't matter, it's not going to take over, it's it's it's you know, why I bring all these okay, But Mike, why I bring all these things up is because they do actually come together at a really weird confluence because the way I observe all other financial transactions at this point, every financial transaction you make, okay, generally has a fee attached to it. Now those fees are collected by the different just use
cash. Well, but even if you use cash in some places, Now, look, how are you gonna get cash in your hand. You're gonna have to withdraw it from an ATM, so you're gonna pay an ATM fee. Right, how do you get cash? You go to a bank. They charge you to cash checks. Like in other words, it seems like everywhere you turn, it's not possible to make a financial transaction without paying fees to somebody. Now as for where those fees go, that's a whole other
issue. But I mean these institutions they charge you for like I'll give you it. For instance, if I have money in my uh in my PayPal account right now, which is the only thing I have because I don't use banks anymore. But if I go to withdrawal and I have a card that's attached to my PayPal account, I'll wind up paying the ATM people, I wind up paying a fee to PayPal, I wind up, you know what
I'm saying, just to put the cash in my hand. And it seems like everybody else I know who's working with everything from credit unions to banks, to credit card companies, everything have these fees attached to them. See that's why I brought up the thing about these other people. It almost seems logical to me that, yes, indeed, there probably is a fortune to be made if you can tap into all that, because they're collecting fifty cents a
dollar this and that on all these different transactions. Well, I mean, if there's three hundred million people and you know each of them is making so many transactions so often, and you're able to collect you know, ten cents on each of them, you will get wealthy. If you can figure out a way to collect ten cents on everybody's transactions, you can get wealthy a dime at a time still, Right, But it's weird because it's not the
way it's going to work. Because these different institutions are collecting this stuff, they're shrinking the money that's in the hands of the buying public, just like they're shrinking the cryptocurrency by charging these fees when you make a transaction. Okay, in other words, the system still remains the same. You still got to pay, right for them to hold on to your money. You still got to pay for them to hold on to your coin. You still got to pay for them to hold on to it. You got to pay for
them to move it. You got to pay when you got to pay. So it sounds like a big hustle, It does, doesn't it. It sounds to me like exactly the situation you try and get if you're a gangster in an area, if you've got a small piece of everything going on, you know, sort of like black Rock, they own a small piece of everything. Right, it's like the way to go in order to make yourself
extremely wealthy while just bleeding people a tiny bit at a time. And that seems to be Look, and there's only so many parasites that the body can take the whole of the system can only take so many parasitic units here, so after a while people are gonna actually have to do something outside of you know, just becoming the added extra on there and bleeding off of the system eventually. Right, it seems like there's too many parasites and not enough producers.
Unless I'm reading it wrong, what do you think of that? Or am I just nuts? Sounds like a good description of what's happening, but it's frustrating. But I know nobody wants to hear this either, so you know, but again, It's just one of those things. Nobody wants my political opinion. Nobody wants me to talk about the Paris yeas to tell them that you like a coin too, and and buy this coin and we can all get rich. That's what the and what the coins do? They go
up and they crash. Well, a couple of years ago they were encouraging everybody to start their own coins. Remember that. I mean that was not too long ago. I mean you and I literally could have started if we wanted to. We could have started the Swanson Ocelli coin if we wanted right, or the Wall Street window coin, right, and we could have just sold that. Now what do you do with it? Well, for now, you can just make transactions with us, but we sell you the coin.
We we collect a fee for that, and then we collect a fee when you use the coin. And meanwhile, what is the coin actually worth? Right? That one thing we won't be doing that. You mentioned the Answer conference. It's in two weeks and said Dallas, right, people can go and see us in person. I'll be giving a presentation Sunday morning. And I've got to That's what I'm gonna start to work on, is getting
that ready? Nice segue. By the way, but yet I won't be talking about no no crypto, no politics, at least not current events. We may talk about the history of politics, political situations, uh, there in Lancer, and indeed we will be getting together there. Uh. And I'm wondering what it is you're gonna present on Sunday, which ought to be the most interesting day, because that'll be the day of the banquet and everything else, and that'll be the end of the conference. Hopefully by then there'll
have been a lot of interesting information exchange. There's a huge list of people which I've promoted before and you can definitely go to I'll give the link to people for the conference here with the show notes, et cetera. But one thing that's good here is that we won't be talking about that. We'll be into another controversy, a controversy here what actually happened to the thirty fifth president?
Which, by the way, do you have a you know, a general idea that you want to share now about your presentation or you want to hold it until the conference, Well, I kind of I have to. I mean, I kind of know what I'm going to talk about, you know, I got to prepare it and stuff, but I don't want to get too specific. I'll just say that I'm going to talk about one of the things that's in the first book I wrote. That's a document, but
it's the most shocking JFK document I've ever read. And I read it, you know, when I wrote that book, and people just don't pay attention to it. That document in that page, I don't. You know, thousands of people read the book, but it's part of it, just they read right by it. But I'm going to show that document, talk about it and some stuff about the Cuban missile crisis that people overlook, and talk a little bit about the foreign policy Kennedy and the arms race and so forth.
So you'll be talking a bit about the geopolitical circus. Yeah, that's really but one of the main thrusts of it. But at the end, I'm going to share a document I've told you about, I believe, but it's no one has seen it. I have it. It's not even on the Mary Feral website. It's at the JA. I got it from the JFK, the National Archives, but it's not, you know, in the database available. So I had to go. I had to request this so
I may have the only copy outside the archives. And this document has to do with the motor Kave, the Dallas Police, and president incial security, right, and I think people will find it very interesting at the conference and this and I'm going to present that at the end because the next speaker is after me is bart Camp, who's he does a lot about the Dallas Police. So right, I'm trying to you know, I'm the first presentation that morning, so I'm going to try to set up the people that speak after
me. Gotcha. I think I just got a copy of his book. By the way, somebody sent me a copy of Uh. Yeah, I've read one hundred pages of it. I haven't Yeah, I only just cracked it open and looked at the introduction so far. I just got it. So uh but his whole thing, and I'm skeptical on this prayer man thing
that he's going to talk about. But apparently he's going to give a presentation that's going to lay out a whole bunch of stuff about the circumstances that day, you know, regarding the assassination, where people were, what was going on. Yeah, well it's I don't really personally care about this prayer man thing which is very fuzzy, like dark. You can't you know the person standing in the doorway. You can't tell who it is from looking at the
picture. Did you get a physical copy of the book, Yeah, okay, So the front cover of the book tells you the story of what you're looking at. It's really I don't know what you're supposed to see that in that look. But I don't personally care but about it one way or the other. But the book has a timeline. Half the book goes into it is just the timeline of what happens after Oswald's arrested and his dealings with the police, and there the evidence they collect. So I'm that's what I'm really
interested in, is that half of the book. But the part about the prayer Man. He's going through and describing all the people, you know, what the people said that were in the Texas School Book Depository building, what they testified to the Warren Commission, and they gave statements to the FBI and other statements. You know, so these different people and that in itself, you know, I'm learning, you know, it's making me think about that
stuff again. And I just say one thing about it, which I didn't really realize maybe I just missed it. But the people at that doorway standing
outside, and most of the people even inside the building. Now I haven't gotten to the witnesses of the three black men that were in the floor below where Oswald supposedly was, but the people on the lower floor at least, and the people standing around on the outsid side, they thought that the shots were coming from the overpass, the grassy noise area, and walked in that
direction immediately after the shooting. Yeah, with the exception of Harold Norman, who had always said that he thought he heard, you know, the noise coming from above his head. Yeah, you know, And that's one of those guys. So you're talking about what is a junior Uh yeah, yeah, Junior Jarman and uh and Harold Norman is one of those guys. And then there's another one whose name escapes me at this very moment. But well, let me qualify what I said that the people that were standing outside of
the doorway, they didn't see Kennedy shot from their vantage point. They saw them go by, and all of them thought it was firecrackers or something, and then then the the that that was the first shot. They thought all of them thought was fireworks or firecrackers, and then the next two some of them thought were gunshots. And they thought it was coming not from the building, you know, they thought it was from in front of you know, from in front of them somewhere. Well, when we go to Dallas,
When we go to Dallas, I definitely planned. I mean, look, you and I when we went there in twenty seventeen. Yeah, if you guys look at the little short film I put together. Mike is holding the camera when I'm standing in that doorway actually, and I say, oh, in my Oswald standing in the doorway, I'm making jokes. But from that vantage point, I mean, I'm going to revisit it and take a look at it and probably film that vantage point to show people what it is they
would have been looking at effectively. But I just wonder, yeah, if how could you know, if they're standing right there, why wouldn't they really hear the gunfire from coming above them? If it was coming from above them? Well, again, it's look, it's not a simple you know, if you're in a real world circumstance, Mike, see, this is always
the weird arguments about this stuff. And by the way, I hope he goes through the whole thing in the book about the lineups and the way they conducted that stuff with Oswald, because there is a whole story there that I swear to you. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I didn't or I didn't know, or I forgot that. I know. They gave Fraser a hard time and tried to get him to confess, right, But there is another employee that they told to come to the police station.
They detained the guy because he had been a member of something some left wing group years ago, of some left wing veterans group, and they immediately were suspicious of him. No, they had this guy detained. Yeah. No, there were three or four guys. They didn't arrest them, but they detained him. Yeah, there were three or four guys that were detained. One of them at first they thought might have been intoxicated that they took in and then well this was an employee of the building. Yeah yeah, yeah.
But I'm just saying between that guy and Frasier, and there was a bunch of people that were brought in and they detained him under different circumstances for different reasons, and pretty much we're pushing just about anybody to confess to something. Yeah, which is pretty wild when you think about it, because the general story has always been, look, this is the only guy that we
had in mind as Oswald. He's the only guy was missing, you know what I mean, which is not the true story if you take a look at the real world circumstances. But once again, if you're in a crowd or you're in a situation. I mean, let's just say you and I go to the conference, right, You and I are there at the conference, we're focusing on presentations, this and that. Now I go outside for a cigarette. Maybe you go outside to talk with me, and something happens
out on that street in real time. Just because you and I were there does not necessarily mean we're going to be the best witnesses even you know, if a car accident occurs outside of that hotel and I'm outside having it, you know, Okay, I go outside to have a cigarette. We both take our cups of coffee outside. Say it's Sunday morning, your presentation is done. I decide to go have a cup of coffee and a cigarette.
You come with me to have a cup of coffee, and we're standing outside talking and a car wreck happens right there on the street in front of us. We may be engaged in speaking with one another. I'm drinking my coffee, having my cigarette, I'm handling things in my pockets, whatever, and we might not even know exactly how that car accident went down, which is a lot easier thing to track. Then wait a minute, there's a noise.
Is somebody shooting? What is that noise? No, it's obvious that a car accident happens right in front of you, right on the street. But I've seen circumstances where something like that happens twenty feet from where somebody's standing and they don't know what the hell happened. They're putting it together afterwards because they see the car is wrecked, or this one's pushed over to the or But then you start asking them, well, which one pulled out in front
of which first? Did somebody leave their lane? Did somebody swerve? Was the car coming from the opposite direct And they don't know, you know why, because they weren't really paying attention to that. Where their focus was might be a complete distraction, even if it's twenty feet away, you know what I mean. So when you put these things together, and people think about
this absolute. Well, they saw something that was, you know, extreme in history, and yes, that means they felt the pressure to fill in the gaps, But it doesn't necessarily mean that they observed everything. Even if they were outside watching the president go by. They might have watched the president go by, they might have been talking to somebody. Hey, man, that's pretty cool. Look at that. That's a big limo. Right, you turn, you look at your friend, whatever, Hey, what's that
noise? Just because they don't know what direction it came from. You know, people point to this all the time they knew or they didn't know. In real time, when people are witnesses to stuff like this, it's never quite as black and white as people want to make it out to be. It's very interesting to see not only how those things were recorded and reported initially,
but also how they changed over the years too. Right, because you talked to somebody a year or two later, you're gonna have different details. It's just a guarantee. Again, it could be as simple as a car accident. It could be as simple as did you know that somebody's dog got out of their yard. It doesn't matter. They will fill in with new information and their stories will change, so it's very important too. This is why they always try and collect stuff immediately on the scene, right away,
etc. And some things do require thought. You need to sort it out, like, oh, I didn't realize it until afterwards, But because this, that means that this happened, you know, because I saw this, that means that that would have to be the case. Etc. You start to reason with these things and work with the information. But the initial information that you've absolutely collected is not necessarily what you end up with, which is
also very interesting. So that's why it's always good to take a look at what was recorded initially, and then you have the big questions, Right, did the Dallas Police record everything accurately? Did the Sheriff's Department, which is not the DPD, did they record things accurately? What was the FBI recording and what didn't they record? Et cetera. Right? What were these other
people saying and seeing about what they saw. It's a very interesting thing to lay out, So I hope our focuses on that more than that photograph. But but prayer Man, I am quite skeptical on even though I see that Malcolm Blunt wrote the introduction and a bunch of other things there, which, you know, give it some credibility in my mind immediately. But I want to see what evidence he presents here, and I hope it's not just you know, the the notes from you know, from the head of robbery homicide
there, right, because that guy's notes notoriously a mess. You know, Oh, I was outside with Bill Shelley. Well when did he say that? And I've got a serious question about that, based on Oswald's immediate utterances, you know, immediate outcries to the media that day, things he was saying. And also, let's not forget a guy who's in custody might not tell the entire truth just because various reasons fill in the blank. There's a
whole lot in play here regarding this whole situation. And I got to tell you, in real time things are not exactly, you know, as they seem. And certainly when people have sixty years now to keep looking back on stuff, the way the lens through which we observe it is definitely not the same as somebody who saw it five minutes ago in nineteen sixty three, you know what I mean. So there's a lot there to be considered, collected, examined, and analyzed. Anyways, Mike, that's some interesting stuff.
I'm looking forward to your presentation on the Cold War. I'd love it if you could send me a copy of that document again, because I'm not sure which one you're referring to. Actually, off the top of my head, that's that's the most shocking, you know, I've been through so many documents lately. You're still with me, Mike. Did I put you to h Yeah, I listened to I'm sorry I thought I put you to sleep there. Because here I go be it and I won't be long winded at the
conference. I'm not giving a presentation, so I am going to be on a couple of panels. Are you joining a panel also at the conference, Mike, I'm not listed to be all one, but okay, well, I don't know, maybe you'll end up joining one. I think I'm going to join the one for the Walker shooting, which is really interesting. I don't know if you'd taken a look at the stuff that because Greg Duden is going to be there, I don't know. I mean I read something in
the past year that's I think it's him. Someone re examining the Walker shooting, and they're pausing that Oswald may have been with someone. You know, they have strong evidence that someone was involved that was one of Walker's assistance. Is that what you're referring to is that I don't know. Yeah, there's that part of it. Yes, And and he tracked down, you know what with these cars that nobody knew where they came from. He tracked all
stuff down, very good stuff. It's new information on the Walker shooting, which I find extremely fascinating. So you know, there's gonna be a lot of new information. And uh, hey that that guy Alex too is going to be there. Alex Harris, who was the youngest presenter I've ever heard of at a conference. But I got to tell you I talked to him privately and I talked to him on the show. He's got a pretty good grasp of the photographic evidence. Uh you know, it's difficult, you know,
go ahead, Yeah, guys, what are you gonna say? Just that? Uh, general Walker, he is a more I'm not trying to he was a more important figure than people realize. Oh. Absolutely, you know during that time, I'm not not to say I believe you had something to do with assassination. I don't, but you know, he was all in the news, especially in the Dallas area. I mean he was he was on the cover Time magazine. Yeah, a public figure, you know,
I mean he was an important figure. And the thing about it, I didn't know this until a year or two ago reading reading a book about different right wing activists in the nineteen sixties. I actually talked about it on your show. But the Kenny administration what it got in there. The Birchers and other right wing groups that similar to them were vehemently opposed to the Kenny administration, and a lot of the people in their soles were retired generals such
as General Walker, not active duty, but retired. And there were a series of newspaper articles about this and the Kenny administration actually being concerned about Bircher influence inside the military, so that this was actually a big issue that goes beyond just General Walker. He was just the most significant, uh figure in it that became the most well known, So that there's a whole side storied all that then that that really they always seen it seemed new knew about this.
I always seen it mentioned or talked about, and this this one book I read you know, right right, No, But that's the thing is that, look, he's a much more significant figure at the time, publicly well known, uh certainly a voice that was being heard in certain political circles, and he was a significant figure that Yeah, at one point somebody took a shot at him. That was the story that was floated. And it is possible, you know, in my mind, it's possible that that could
have been staged in order. Well, it's very very likely because the thing about Walker is he was also like I guess a bubble. You know, he when he retired, she was going to run for president, right, he thought, And he gave a speech in Dallas. He was getting donations from Jeall Hunt, Clint Murchison and other people that you know donated to Jose McCarthy, and they like MacArthur, you know, they wanted they wanted MacArthur to run for president. He didn't do it, and now they're wanting Walker
to run. And Walker gave a speech in the Dallas auditorium and it was awful, Like the audience, you know, wasn't impressed. And after that speech they kind of saw, you know, this guy's I can run for president. And then he testified to Congress, and the same thing happened. He just came off as a as a fool, right, he was saying stuff about communists in the in the military, and and it just didn't come
off credible. And so after those two appearances, his political star or there were any chance of running for office or you know, doing anything in that sense, just collapsed. And they shifted Merchison and the Hunt h Hunt and so forth. They shifted their resources to supporting the congressmen, and that served the Dallas area. I can't remember his name, but he became at the
time a significant You're not not nowhere like General Walker. The way he taught he started, you know that that whole Walker John Birch mess John Birch's side type message or was really derivative Justin McCarthy. And it had peaked out really already by nineteen before nineteen sixty. So Walker was on the downslope of that type of ideology or messaging. But he was trending down among people that were
sympathetic to or on the right hand side of the equation. But but he he what he what he had left were the remnants, you know, it was still a movement of people. They just they were just the idea of them getting real political power was long on and but they, you know, they're still Billy James Hargas a wholest network of speakers that he got speaking network he got onto h is by the time he was shot or shot at that's
what he was doing. And I think he was, you know, very likely easily probably was a publicity stunt or something because it happened just as his political career collapsed. Right, It seems like it was the kind of thing they we're trying to get a resurgence out of it, Like, in other words, let's do a little publicity stunt. We can get interest again. People are actually taking you as some sort of threat, so you can play
the game of hey, look I'm a big threat. They tried to shoot me, uh, you know kind of thing, and that's what it looks like. Yeah, and he, you know, he remained a figure in the in the circles, and Billy James Hargas was was huge. He was the guy that kind of first popularized the idea that rock and roll music wasn't the devil. He was selling pamphlets and he had a I don't remember you know, the big subscription newsletter. I mean tens of thousands of people subscribing
to it. It's like a magazine promoting this. And he was the first person that did that. He was a real pioneer in right wing fundamentalist evangelism before fallwell on, some of these other characters would sit they were simply copying some of his messages and making it shiny and better. You know, he had Hargus had his falls and a personal in his personal life. Him and Walker were like comrades and arms. You know, Hargus gotten a sex scanner
with a boy, so like David Ferry stuff. But there This is what goes on a lot of times with these guys that are in you know, sort of the extreme end of the pool. And this was culture wars, you know, long before we had the Internet and stuff. People blamed the Internet for it, but no, we had the the culture war of Look, the decadent American society is collapsing and destroying the family. This kind of stuff. I mean, everybody from Rush Limbaugh to you know DeSantis now have
benefited in one way or another from the groundwork laid by these guys. Yeah, they just say this is just a copy of what stuff Billy James Hargas was doing, right, just a little more palatable, a little more acceptable, you know, the messages well perhaps, but you know, like we were talking about the Republican debate, his presentation skills are dismal. Yeah, I can't believe this guy is a governor, much less running for president. He can't present anything well. I mean, it just comes off as a
big phoney. If you put him on a stage all by himself, though, and you put some legitimate, you know, symbology around him, he comes off a little better. You put him up yeah, you put him up there with other people, though, forget it. It's a mess. But kind of like if you took a picture of Biden, like a still photo of Biden, it just played music. Yeah, yeah, maybe you'd get inspired, it'd be all right, right, But if you actually watch him and everything, you go, Okay, this guy looks a little shaky.
That's that's what happens. You put DeSantis on a stage with other people and here it goes, you know, and at the same time, he's he's having to play this game of I'm an outsider, but I'm also you know, I'm part of the establishment. But I'm not part of the established torture guy. See, that's the weird thing to me is I can't I can't reason through something. Yeah, all lawyer for well, he was like,
I don't remember what it was. He was working for military intelligence stuff, what I understand, But yeah, point to the fact that he was a veteran, which he was, and et cetera, et cetera. But it's a it's a tangled web once you start to get into all of it, and you can see how well he's doing, not well at all. And who keeps rising, the guy who keeps having to go to court,
the guy whose kids were on the stand the past couple of days. Right, this is the guy who's rising in the political arena right now in the Republican Party. And he hasn't had to rise, He hasn't had to show up for a debate. He just is the heir apparent, right Trump. Well, when you look at the toilet bowl of American politics, I guess the turds float to the top. There you go, So we'll leave it at that. Mike Swanson, Wallstreet Window dot Com. The turds float to
the top is his final word for this one. But Mike, we will probably will not speak again until after the conference, but we'll steak at the conference and hopefully I'll get a video short of you or two while I'm there. But again, guys, Wallstreet Window dot Com, the books the War State, also Why the Vietnam War, and possibly this year. Michael, when do you think you're gonna have the second volume available? Think before the
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of In Denial at Amazon dot com in digital or physical. Going to Chuck O'Kelly, So the second segment of the O'Kelly Effect. Here on a Thursday night, and Mike Swanson was with me for about an hour. I expected it to be with me for forty five minutes, but he went a little longer. Anyway, I am just doing this little segment to let you guys
know, here's what the plan is. I have this idea to do the magic bullet and indeed I did acquire some of these bullet shaped thumb drives, so I was going to put my entire archive on these bullet shaped thumb drives. However, I'm thinking that there might be a more accessible way to make
this available for supporters of the show. So if you're somebody who's been signed up for membership at Ocelli dot com or you've made a donation and you want to be added to a list, here's what we're going to do for the rest of twenty twenty three is we're going to collect up a list of individuals who have made contributions, who have decided that they want to support the Ocelli
Effect and the ocell Radio network. And over the course of twenty twenty four, as you continue to support the network, I'm going to send out ZIP folders to everybody on an email list, and you'll get the entire archive, the Entireocelli dot Com archive over the course of the year. So the more you chip in with support, the more likely you are to be included on the email lists. Okay, And what I'll do is keep track of which
ones you get each one of the folders. There are many, many folders, many gigs of podcasts, and I will send them to you and you could take them and download them and keep them and end up with the entirety of the archive if you support us through the year of twenty twenty four. So if you do that and you want to be added to that list, what you got to do is send me an email to info at ohelly dot com, make donations and things like that, and let me know that that's
what you want. You want to be included on that email list, And in January, I will begin sending out the entire archive, which means you'll end up with about five thousand podcasts at the end of the year. If you get on the list immediately, you'll end up with about five thousand podcasts all the stuff I've done that I have copies of, and all the stuff I produced over the ten year time period that the ocell effect has existed, So you'll get the entire first decade of all the work. If you're a
supporter over the course of twenty twenty four. So you can begin by making, say a a twenty dollars donation something like that, and continue to make small donations throughout the year, and I'll keep you on that email list. If you want to make one bigger donation, you can do that. There is a link for PayPal at the top of the website at ocelli dot com. There is a tip jar on the link tree, and all you gotta do is make a donation and let me know in your donation in the message
or through an email that you want to be on that list. And throughout twenty twenty four, I will send out the first ten years of the work that is the o'celly effect and the ocell Radio Network. So I will make it available to all of you guys, and then you can do with it what you want. You want to share it, you want to download it to your own device. If you want me to send you one of these
magic bullets, we can arrange for that. I'll send you the bullet shaped thumb drive if you like, and you can put it all on your own magic bullet, save it yourself, store it where you want to get another jump drive whatever you want to do with it, or you can just listen to them and discard them as you go, keep the ones that you like and discard the stuff you don't. Because there is a lot in that history.
I covered a lot of live news events as they were occurring. I had gone over many many books with many different authors, different films that were being created, documentaries, other types of films, etc. And then I produced a variety of other shows over the course of ten years. So I'm going to include all of that in these zip holders and just bring them to
the supporters of the network. So either you can sign up for membership at o'chelly dot com and indicate to me that you want to be included on that monthly email, and you'll get zip folders sent to you monthly zip folders, some of them a couple of gigabytes deep. All right, I'm going to have to delete them as I go, Like each month, I'll leave them up there. You'll have to download them and do with them what you want
for that month, and then the following month. Each month, in other words, there'll be a new entry of new ZIP folders giving you the archives. I'll also include the graphics if you like, but that'll be a separate thing. We're going to try and just get the audio out to you, so you get all the MP three's for the entirety of the decade. Starting in twenty thirteen. When I started recording this and I had no idea what I was going to do with the podcast, I called the Ocelly Effect.
Shortly thereafter, I got on a network and started recording them regularly live, taking callers and all that kind of stuff from the beginning, and yeah,
you'll be able to go through the entire history. A lot of people have passed away that made presentations on there, some interesting activists, journalists, people that were witnesses to things that were occurring at that time, or witnesses to history, everything from the RFK assassination JFK witnesses, you know, people that were there when there was that crazy mass shooting in Canada, people that had
witnessed other events nine to eleven, obviously various historical events, people that witnessed them, people that analyzed them, people that wrote about them, people that made films about them, people that did YouTube channels, other broadcasters. Over the years, many people came and went, some people might still be around, some people have retired. Others are bigger names than you might imagine, some of them smaller names that you might have forgotten about. And you'll get
the entire history of the OCEL effect. So from the very first again those rough podcasts that I made privately with missus O as my to the first live broadcast which I did with Joan Mellon in February of twenty fourteen. Because we just got a few things done in twenty thirteen, and I don't even have all the original podcasts. I've only got like three out of five. But I'll send those to you and you'll get that whole first couple of years.
Actually in the first month, you'll probably get twenty fifteen and twenty fourteen and twenty thirteen, probably all in the first month. But after that, you know, sometimes it got a lot more dense because I was doing this five nights a week for a long time. Sometimes I did three nights a week.
Initially I started with just Saturday nights, and there were a lot of side programs and guest appearances that will also include so you know, when I was on the Network's Round Table show, which today I try and preserve as my own little round table show, the call in show on Friday nights. There used to be on Saturday nights when I only did my show on Saturdays. There was a round table show on you TV that I used to do
all the time. It's called After the Last Cup because the first show of the day was before the first cup, and that was about coffee regarding the day's events, right on the network, and that was the end of the week show. And I was often invited on there, and I used to join it a lot and did. Basically, I've almost always responded to any request to do somebody else's podcasts and somebody else's broadcasts, so various radio appearances
and things over the years, some of them more fun than others. The JFK specials I participated in. All that stuff will be included in this audio archive that again, it'll take you the whole year to collect because I can only send so much at a time via email, and I'll be clogging up
my Google Drive with these things on a monthly basis. But that's what I'm gonna do, is during the first week of each month in twenty twenty four, if you are a signed up supporter at the site, and you have indicated that you want to be on that email list, I will send you the entire ten years worth of the Ocelli Effect at Ocelli dot Com Radio directly to you in your email box, and then you'll have to download the folder and like I said, store it where you like it used to be.
And I think you can still do this with the Apple stuff. You can import it into your your iTunes or Apple Music or whatever it is they're calling that that program. Now. I think you could just import the uh, you know, the these these podcasts straight into it and it'll keep them for you. I don't think you'll be able to store all this on a phone, because I think it's something like, I don't know, forty gigs worth of information. But you'll be able to store it on a computer or various
drives or like I said, the bullet drive if you want it. It should hold the entirety of the of the archive on the bullet drives that I have, But I only have handful of those. Obviously, I'll get more of them if you really want the Magic bullet But you can store these on
any device you want. So that's what's gonna happen is I'm going to make it so that memberships now atohelly dot com will include your sign up for the monthly email for the entire year of twenty twenty four, and this will be the only time I'm going to offer the whole ten years worth of the archive that you'll have to get month by month in twenty twenty four, which makes it easier because this way, you know, you don't want to make a
massive donation, and it would be nice if I was giving you five thousand podcasts that you know I got something for it more than twenty bucks. But if you support me for the whole year, even if you just sign up for a membership and you indicate this is what you want, or if you sign up at Patreon and you indicate you want to be included on that email list in twenty twenty four, this is what we're going to do going forward. That way, I don't have to store it up on the internet,
and you guys can do with it what you like. You can share it, repost it. Hell I would encourage you to post it on YouTube because I am attempting right now to kind of covertly build a YouTube channel because they took that away from me. But hell, post it on your own YouTube if you think you can get away with it, you know, share it an attribute to where it came from. Tell people where it came from, point them to Ocelly dot com, because that's the origin of the archive.
Okay, and it is not available. This stuff is not available in its entirety anywhere on the Internet. So that'll include all the age of transitions, trans resistor radio before that, Uncle, the uncle shows that I produced, the Jack Blood Show, the Jeffrey Matt Show, Portkin's Policy Radio, okay, Dylan Wade's show, Popcorn Politics, right, the various shows that I produced over the years. All of that will be included in the archives,
along with Bob Wilson and you know, our friend Chris Graves too. You know, we're gonna we're gonna include all of those shows that I produced. And if you're on the mailing list, boom, you'll have them all all the ones that I retained, which again is something like five thousand podcasts altogether. More than two thousand of them, more than probably twenty two hundred of
them now are are Ocelly Effect podcasts. But there's at least another you know, twenty five hundred or so that come from other people, so well, over four thousand podcasts, no problem. Probably close to five thousand podcasts, plus guest appearances in other places. Again, some radio shows more authorized than others. But I'm gonna share this with you as supporters. So if you sign up for a membership at o'chelly dot com and you stick with me month
by month, you will be on that list. All you gotta do is request to be on the email list. So tell me you want the archive in twenty twenty four, whether you make a small donation or you make a large one, and you continue to make your donations, just tell me I want to be included on the monthly emails. And that's what's gonna happen. ZIP folders send to you loaded with podcasts, And that's what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna spread the archive all around, and once it's out there,
it's out there. I'm not gonna seek to monetize this again, it's just the first ten years, and who knows what it'll look like, you know, when twenty twenty four is over, who knows if I'll even stick around after year eleven right guests, We'll have to see. We'll see if I survive. But long as I'm alive, you'll get a monthly email which you'll give you piece by piece, a couple of gigs at a time, massive
podcasts. So that's what I plan on sending out throughout the month of twenty the year of twenty twenty four, and that's what I would like people to
sign up for. So we're gonna put this on the front page, this podcast with Mike Swanson, and this piece about me telling you about what I'm planning on doing, and hopefully as people come to the site and learn, because there should be some new audience from the fact that I'm going to be on Coast to Coast AM on the eighteenth of November at ten pm Pacific time. According to the way I'm booked, I should be there until midnight Pacific
on the eighteenth of November this year. I'm hoping that there will be new interest, but anybody who was interested in the stuff I've done in the past and do see that online. A lot of my archive no longer exists. The various networks are gone, my YouTube channel is gone, other archives have disappeared. Hell I wanted to put this on archive dot org, and I had people working on that, but that project has also collapsed due to people's
health issues, and that job's not going to get done either. So I say I'll hand it out to you, guys, those of you that truly support this, that have supported it, just get on the email list, send to me a message at infoodoelli dot com. Let's just say you're signed on to the Patreon, which there's only a handful of you that are, you know, not the guys that are there for a dollar, although I
appreciate you at a dollar. If you're over there on Patreon and you're there for I don't know, say the ten dollar amount something like that per month, you're absolutely entitled to. This is stick around and stay on it and send me the email you want the zipholders sent to. Okay, and also same thing if you're if you're a subscriber at o'celli dot com, send me
either at infoodoceelli dot com or blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com. That's my personal email, Blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com, which also is my PayPal address. You can indicate to me there that you want to be included on the twenty twenty four archive mailings, and every month, at the beginning of the month, I will send out a massive archive as much as I can fit gigabytes wise, you know, in my Google Drive at the time each month, and then I'll delete the previous months, so you gotta
download it and keep it for yourself. But that's the way this is going to go. Each month you'll have a piece of the archive, and over the course of the year, you'll have the whole first ten years, so easily one year has to go with each month. Even though the first month I'll have a couple of years worth, there's going to be a couple of months that are not going to handle the whole year gigabyte wise, But that's okay. We will get it all out to you over the course of the
twelve months of twenty twenty four. So get on that email list if you are a supporter already. If not, sign up, get a membership at Ocelli dot com. I was thinking of raising that membership, not to people that are already signed up, but new sign ups. I think I am going to raise it to ten bucks here and if you sign up for that ten dollars basic membership, then you're entitled to not bad, by the way, if you pay one hundred and twenty dollars for five thousand podcasts. Some
of them, by the way, never aired. There's a bunch of stuff that was never aired included in this archive, the exclusives from previous years. All of that will be included with these emails every month if you are a steady supporter at o'helly dot com. So there you go. That's the way it's gonna go. I'm gonna change the membership level before I go on coast to coast. I'm gonna change the membership level to ten bucks a month.
And I think one hundred and twenty dollars for five thousand podcasts is not bad. But you'll have to capture them and place them on your own devices at your will do what you want with them. And that's that you'll have ten years worth of an archive that is not available on the internet anywhere else, and you'll have it all to yourself just for being a steady supporter throughout the
year of twenty twenty four. And with any look, this will help us expand and we'll be able to do a lot more with the network, etc. So, you know, because I'm struggling to figure out how to do the video platforms along with my regular work. Along with I'd like to produce another show or two. Thankfully Aaron is still sticking with me. I still have Uncle and Aaron with me. But honestly, the comings and goings of other people have been very stressful and problematic. So you know what, this
is the way we're gonna do it. I'm gonna hand it to you, the supporters of the show. So if you support o'celly, if you become the effect, you'll have the ten years worth of the archive in your hands. And that way I don't have to worry about whatever happens to it after I'm all gone and my website folds up, because I'm sure if I drop dead, the website will go away, et cetera, et cetera. You'll have it. You'll have all the work up to a certain point. So
there it is. Get on there, supportocelly dot com, become a member, sign up on the patreo, on whatever it is you want to do, and indicate to me that you want to be included on the twenty twenty four mailing list, and you'll end up with the entire archive the first ten years of the o'ceelly effect. And there you have it, guys, So hopefully we've accomplished a little something tonight. I'm glad I got to speak with Mike Swanson. I'm glad I got to speak with you guys afterwards, and
we shall see what the future holds. I'm really anxiously looking forward to the Lancer Conference from the seventeenth to the nineteenth of November twenty twenty three, coming right on up, and I'll be departing from my road trip with my driver, my friend, my co host p Pete on the fifteenth, so that'll be that. Let's see, does that mean I get one more show? I think I get one more show on a Friday night with Bpete after this, so we'll be doing the call in show tomorrow night and all that good
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