The o' chilly effect is sponsored by Wallstreet Window dot Com and listeners liking yeah, yeah, I know, most aggravated noise and in our media, Chuck o' shelley. It's an odd time a day for me to start. And if you're on the live stream, you're a little bit nervous. Why did I just get interrupted in the replays? But that's okay, don't worry about it. Anybody who's checking this out by a podcast or video, you're like,
what the hell are you talking about? It's the third day of October October, right, yeah, October twenty twenty three, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and this is the o'celly effect. So what are we doing today? An odd time because I had to catch Part two with doctor Jessica Rose. Why well, there's a lot of reasons why and part two part three. I could do part fifty with this lady because the
amount of knowledge that she has given her background is immense. I brought a friend along with me though this time, so Captain Trips, you know, glad to have you along. I always tell people that you are the only medical professional that I ever trust anywhere, and that is the truth at this point, because I've gotten very well nervous about a lot of other medical professionals over the past few years. And I do trust you. You've never actually
treated any member of my family. But I consult you if I have any questions, because look, I'm at least satisfied to know that I don't know it all and I'd rather have consultation now. Is that official? Not necessarily, But even in the circumstances where I've taken it upon myself to experiment upon myself, I've asked you questions about heart rate and things like that. What are danger signs? What would be a good idea for me to seek a
natural solution about? This is full disclosure, Captain Trips. But I'm glad to have you with me today. How you doing, man, I'm doing well, and it's a pleasure to be here. And quite frankly, it's an honor to be sharing sharing the hour with doctor Rose. Right, And I'm I don't have uh, you know, I don't have the script for Captain Trips here. He's going to jump in and ask a question when he
wants, and it's definitely going to become pertinent to him real quick. So now that I've reminded everybody about my friend, and if you've listened to the show before, you know Captain Trips. Of course that's the name so that we don't ever ever create a problem for him professionally. Uh, and I love the name. It's also his Twitter handle and all that good stuff. Oh wait a minute, No, he's still one minute to midnight. But
then again, his name is Captain Trips on Twitter. Yeah, I've never changed, never changed the accounts, but but yeah, the screen name comes up as Captain Trips. There originally the man, the man who coined that name, and uh, in the what nineteen seventy eight novel has gone completely crazy, and that being Stephen King. Yeah, and just that's for the record. That JFK book don't by it sucks anyways. You know there's my it's opinion, as somebody who is expert on the literature in the JFK case,
that is a waste of time, that damn Stephen King thing. Anyway, Enough of all that, because let's get to Jessica Rose. Jessica's thank you for coming back on. I'm gonna kick a very very very hard jump off point for you. You know, to begin with. But first,
how are you doing today? Is everything rolling? I know you're busy, as you should be, because I don't see why everybody pretty much who does anything similar to what I'm doing isn't talking to you, because you make a hell of a lot more sense than most of the trust the science crowd. Oops, I said it. We're going to get to that in a minute. But how are you doing today, Jessic? I'm good? Can I
throw something in please? All right? So this blows my mind. This is what I freaked out about off camera before we started, and it's very pertinent. Okay, I have a friend. I'm a surfer. I have a surfer friend I bumped into yesterday and he told me a whole horrifying story and will I'm going to read you verbatim what I posted to Twitter. I'm at jess loves MJK if you want to check it out. My friend not dot. I had a group of ten friends from grade one type pack.
We were all fifty years old. We're all fifty years old. All ten got injected multiply with Pfizer COVID nineteen product I didn't. One is dead, five have multiple strokes, one had a brain hemorrhage, and I wrote, this is not an anecdote, it's a study, and it has. Now this is the part that blows my mind, because these are just some words I wrote about what my friend told me yesterday. And I only have ninety thousand. Well, I have ninety thousand followers, which is a lot,
but it has over one million views. One million people read the words the story of my friend's group of ten friends. So I really wanted to first of all, say how blown my mind is that not many people read these words, but how important it is for these kinds of so called anecdotes to be just expressed in any medium. People can do it because these are the things that are linking the real people together. It's like, it's like I said, they're not going to be able to hide the bodies for much longer.
Every single person knows a pack of people who've been directly impacted by not by the original pathogen, but by the shots. So I just wanted to throw that in. I'm very busy, but I'm strong, and I'm working on it. Well, listen, that's great. And I read that yesterday as well, and I said to myself, Wow, you know what that's mind blowing, because she's right. We have now a randomly assembled sample based on a common point of origin for a group of people. Well, oh,
wait a minute, this is how you assemble a study group. Now, this is something the guy didn't intentionally assemble, but he's saying it. Now, we would have to ask did he leave people out for any particular reason or is this an exact you know, because it's odd that exactly ten people he's got there. But let's just say that it's actually quite normal because
it's is Israeli, and Israelis have big packs of friends from youth. It's like if you're if you're in a group when you're young, you tend to stay together, like you get these families from youth, from the army, from school. It's really tight here. So it's actually like this place would be really interesting to do that because everybody here got injected with pwizer, and you know, we do have these tight packs. So again, it's like
everyone's trying to write this off. Oh, it's only anecdotal, and it's it's like, no, it's not. I've read peer reviewed studies that have less than ten people included, and they call that a studying group a coup Wort's like, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Oh it's fine, because that's perfect. Look my point was, DYI do it yourself. You could probably assemble study groups if you came up with a common group that has a point of origin or that say, lives in the neighborhood together right
now. I mean there's a lot of different ways that you could bring a group together and say, look, these are all adult people and they all have this common exposure, common point of origin, common current circumstance, whatever it may be. Okay, so that you have a lot of variables, but here's your commonality, and you can bring together a group and say this common group. Now, what was introduced into the group the shot. Let's take this shot. So okay, how many people got it, how many
people didn't, and what is the result of that. This is something that everybody could do if they have a circle of people in one way or another, and they could assemble a study group. And this is it is anecdotal in a way, but it's a legitimate way to collect groups and say look, here's what my data says. Okay, And again I realize that people go, well, look, they did these massive studies, and you and
I talked last time about how they destroyed their own control group. Okay, so I urge people look at part one of this interview for that it is relevant. But what about the idea of how about do it yourself, create your own study out of the available data set in front of you, which is your life. How about that, doctor Jessica, Is that a valid way to proceed right now? Oh? One hundred percent. That's what I'm
trying to encourage. Because the other thing is, look, I don't I haven't had time, but there are there might even be I don't know there. I'll just say there are hundreds of comments, and all the comments I've read are exactly the same thing. It's like, I have this group of people, these people in my family, these things happened to them, and it's not just that like there are large numbers of people in these small groups.
Well, that sounds like a contradiction to me. Ten people in a family sized group to have suffered at verse events is a lot of people. That's a big group of people who have suffered. So that's what I mean. But tell you something really funny that I want to ask you about because here's another cohort I could put together. How about this, because everybody stresses
genetics and genetic commonality. In my family circle, I can tell you about an interesting study among my offspring and a few extended family that share a lot of the same DNA all right, because you know, some people said there were different results for DNA and okay, now you're a racist because you did
that. Sorry, but clients, you know what, if you don't believe that ethnicity contributes to scientific results, go talk to an anesthesiologist, please, because that they can easily kill somebody with a different DNA structure, okay, with a different ethnicity if they give them the wrong stuff based on that, they need to know the ethnicity of the patient, believe it or not,
okay when they administer. This is just something I learned talking to a lot of doctors over the years and competent ones that that I don't know too many of them today. It's gotten weird. But at one point I knew that there were certain people that knew how to do their jobs, okay, and one of those people that was very careful about that were anesthesiologists, because you could indeed kill somebody very easily by administering the wrong amount. Indeed, there
are and I don't believe me. Don't anybody believe me. Go look at it. See why it is. Certain drugs are absolutely banned in Asia, if you like, because it's not just that they object to them morally. Okay, their genetic makeup is not compatible with certain chemicals. Okay, that's just the way it is. I'm not a racist, believe me. You know, I'm no more racist than anybody else. This isn't a racist statement. This is a matter of medical fact. Leave it at that. Maybe
you know, I don't know. If you want to comment on that, that's fine, But I'm just saying that that's part of the reality. So I can study among my offspring and a lot of people that have common genetic elements here, very particular to my family line. Interesting, I don't have deaths, but I do have constant reoccurrences of illness only among the cohort portion of the study here. And I do mean even my offspring, who guess what, took the shots and took the boosters, and they're the ones that
keep getting sick. Those of us sharing genetic commonality that didn't. Yeah, funny, thing. We're not sick. We got sick once, we got sick, not at all over this entire time period. Now we are in different parts of the country, slightly different some of us well, I mean, my youngest son and myself are in the same part of the country. Maybe George is just healthier. No, it's really not. But but for
some reason, we didn't get sick over and over again. Everybody else that took these things, you know, they said, you've become symptomatic, et cetera. And then they explained that away, and it's like, why am I getting sick taking a shot? Anyway? I love this the idea of the d Y I do it yourself. Dy excuse me, do it yourself. Yes, I got my letters straight now blind and sometimes dyslexic, I
suppose. But you know, d IY right, do it yourself. Look at the sets of data where you can put people together in common groups, and then just explore it. Look tell me, as matter of fact, tell me, tell the world there's nothing wrong, you know what. Please, let's look at that everybody did well that took the shot, show me that because funny thing and maybe it's just because of my social media feeds and
the people I know. But seems to me like either you know, there are explanations and excuses for adverse events, or there are no adverse events. And among the no adverse events or little adverse events, it seems to me like a lot of us crazy conspiracy theorists that didn't participate in this what is now a wide open test in my estimation among the population. Okay, which is another thing I'd love for you to address, is okay, they didn't test this before too well, But you know what, now we have a
case study which is emerging. And guess what, everybody who creates one of these DEIY groups. You know, if we assembled that all together, you get a narrative that will emerge, You get a reasonable study. Here, wait a minute, among these groups and you can start grouping them together and creating clusters. And it's funny because as you said, among the million people, and I was one of them that decided to you know, read that,
retweet it, see everything else. Yeah, it's a handful of studies and while we have something very interesting to present that again is not I mean again, look, there's lots of things along the way bias can be created. You could ignore certain data. You could decide to leave people out of the study. You could include people in there that there's a lot of mistakes that can be made along the way. But that's the kind of work that
should have been checked here. And here's the problem. To my knowledge, it looks to me like still we don't have a completely solid check on this data as it is, and at this point the population is being tested. So let's get to what it is we can do with this, not just the data and the result of that. And again we're going to wind up having to talk to Captain Trips in a minute, and I'm going to shut up because, first of all, a great story about what's on social media,
and I urge people please go and look at that too. I'll find a way to get the link and I'll put it in the show notes. I think I can create a link for the post and let you guys look at it. Let's see when I had some more eyes on it, because it was a remarkable thing and I sat there thinking about it for a while, which I don't often do on social media. Most of it's scarbage, and just you know, it's fun, it's a joke. It's all right that it's you know, it's okay to laugh at the clowns, and it's
okay to be observe clowns. It's okay to be entertained, and I do that sometimes. But that had me really thinking, and it wasn't clown world stuff, so I appreciate it anyhow. So what is actually asked it is true, And I love that because it's it's like, I actually thought about this today, and it's a bit of a philosophical comment, but I love the honesty in someone asking is this true, because you know, some people might be like, of course, but it's like, no, it's not.
You can't take for granted that what people write on social media is true. So it's a really valid question. And I just like to say, for anybody who reads it from here on out, it's a hundred percent true. I bumped into my friend yesterday and he's probably one of the only people I can talk to about this stuff because for some reason, he's one of the people, the crazy people who who just from the beginning never bought into the like any of the narrative. So he he's been called crazy. He's
still being called crazy by the remaining members of his pack. That haven't died remarkably. I mean, he says some of them are starting to come around. But yeah, it's like, you know, he told me yesterday. He just he also probably doesn't have many people to talk to about this, and it has to be hard because these are his These are his possy, These are the guys he grew up with from both like their mothers are probably all good friends, you know what I mean. So it's like, beyond
this being a crazy statistic, it's it's heartbreaking. It's like, these are these guys' buddies. One of them is dead. It's fifty years old. I mean, that's I'm going to be forty nine in a month. I mean, I'm I'm right there on that loan. It's it's it's jugable. Well, sadly, I'm only two years older than you. Of course I look a lot older than you. But maybe that's just you. The thing
sort maybe is me. I'm oh, now, I listen. I know I'm blind, but I but I can see you well enough to know you look a lot younger than me. Look, point is, I'm not going to argue about it. Well, you know what, It's the energy. It's the energy. But let's let's get into this part of it, you know, the socialization, the ostracizing of people whoofs I tripped over that, Sorry, but you know what I meant ostracizing people kind of pushing people aside,
why because they're crazy? Well, I want to arm people. What is it that we can give to someone to try and break I mean, I don't believe for a second if somebody's convinced to something. You know, you can bang your head up against the wall all day and they will not hear the noise. It doesn't matter if they refuse to and that's mine. Cognitive dissonance is a real thing. It doesn't matter what you show them data wise. But if you want to be armed with something that is accessible,
you know the obviously take the study from your personal life. Use that.
That's a great plan. But what do you think is the most obvious and easiest thing for somebody to pick up on that they can use to explain to someone who's like, listen, I'm not sure about any of this, but I'm kind of defaulting to well, you know, I'm gonna trust the authorities, which I don't have friends like this, So I'm trying to figure out how to deal with with that because my friends are always questioning authority, always
questioning everything. Uh, if you're my friend here, usually asking a lot of questions, not necessarily getting a lot of answers, but usually asking a lot of questions. And yeah, typically people in my grip don't trust people, So I don't want to trust people. I want to trust the science. So what is the scientific basis for saying to someone, Look, you need to question this and understand why it is I'm questioning this. This is
my best defense. I mean, just you know, if you never heard of somebody, you have no idea where they're coming from, just that they sort of say, look, I kind of default to believing in this. What would you say to somebody who wants to present something like that, What is the scientific answer that's easy for someone to communicate to give to somebody else in your opinion? Well, I hate to do this to you, but I don't think that there is something because you're talking about two different things.
You're talking about science versus religion. So these beliefs that people are holding onto are our belief their beliefs, they're more aligned with religion, you know, they're not aligned with science, whereby you don't have to agree with with with what somebody believes, but you it's probably a good idea for everyone to believe in, you know, the fact that DNA is a thing, do you
know what I mean? So it's like, I don't know if I explained that right, but I really I gotta tell you from the very beginning, and I wrote about this. It was so important to me from the very beginning, and it was heartbreaking, and I had to do this as a coping mechanism. I had to stop trying to convince anybody, family friends, people on the street that they need to believe something that I you know,
that I know to be true. For example, And you know, if it sounds I hate saying it that way, but if if you studied immunology for many, many, many many years, you probably have a half decent foundation, you know, upon which to build an immunological hypothesis. That's kind of what I mean by, you know, passing on information that somebody might believe. So like I gave up on that because it was I was doing
that. I was trying to use data. I was trying to use peer reviewed papers, I was trying to use numbers, to to convince people that what I was saying was true. But you can't because it's it's they're they're they're kind of conflicting things. Science and religion, you know, do have a realm. You know, they do have a meeting place, but they also have separate realms. So it's almost like trying to I don't know, I don't know what it's like trying to do, but I again, I
hate doing this exactly. You're doing exactly what I wanted you to do because you discussed this fourth wall break here. Sometimes I lead people into questions where I know I'm going to get an answer that makes me look like almost bad for asking the question. It's fine by me because the information is getting out there. You discussed this money podcasts. Okay, you discussed this in one
of your own podcasts. Now, I don't listen to a lot of people's podcasts, but I did take a listen to this, this science versus religion, And this is what the problem is. You're trying to tackle people with empirical data. They're not going to read the empirical data. They're not going to look at it anyway. You are literally wasting your time. It's one of the points that you were making in this podcast. I can't remember which one it is now. I apologize, but I wanted that point made because
I think it's perfect. It needs to be heard. And why because look, it's just like if you were an ath or a theist. Okay, it doesn't matter. You're someone who believes in a spiritual order an unseen world, or you're someone who says, look, you're dead. You're dead, you go in the ground. You're nothing more than a collection of a fungus and meat and that's it, and you're a bag and you die. I don't believe that there was any creation there, and we're all an accident in
the universe. Panspermia was random. Cool. Look either way, you're not going to sit there and run data at the other one and give them the explanation. You're not going to convince them just by dropping the pieces of knowledge on them like that that are empirical one way or another. And indeed, I believe that there is empirical facts that could support either one of those two hypothetical things I just brought up, but we'll leave that alone. That's not
the point here. The point is that if someone does deeply believe in something. Yeah, you have to give up on trying to shift it. I trust the science. That's their catchphrase, but it's it's not what they really mean. You're fighting with a phrase and you're fighting with beliefs. So please continue. Yeah, So, at the risk of alienating some people, I'm going to push this a little bit farther. And this is based on observation.
It's not just religiony, it's culty. Okay, it doesn't make any sense to say I read the CDC Big Blue Book and I take all of my advices from there, at the same time as admitting that you are not keeping up with pure viewed literature, at the same time as admitting you're not listening to your patients if you're a doctor, at the same time as not trial and erroring off labeled drugs in the presence of a new pathogen, for
example, you can't. One of those things is doesn't make sense in the realm of actually finding a solution, and one of them does if you're staying up to date and you're really I said this the other day in an interview, and I think it was it bears repeating. If if we were actually in like an emergency. Let's just say there's another throw another like horrid virus
at us, and we have this new emergency come up. What would happen in forgive me if this was with you, But what would happen that I discussed this with What would happen if this was actually a raging emergency, is that every single medical doctor would throw everything at the kin should sync. They would be talking to other doctors, they would be communicating, they would be
consulting every single source of information they could find. Because you're scared and you need to help people, and you're going to do anything and everything in your power to find solutions is fast. You're gonna like respond, You're gonna listen. You're not just going to say, well, the sat say cult me that way should go this. You know you're not going to do that unless you're you're kind of following some kind of strange linear cult like like Mantra.
It doesn't make any sense to just accept that something is safe and effective. For example, if you've never let reade any literature pertaining to defining what safe means or effective means, you cannot do that. And if you've delved into the literature on either of these subjects, or the data, pharmacal vigilance, whatever, the clinical data or the commercial whatever, you would know beyond a
shadow of a doubt that these things are neither safe nor effective. So yeah, it's it's some of the people call I've heard this referred to as the cult of the zazaz. Well, you know it's it's well, let's not forget it. Let's let's bring our friend or my friend, and hopefully he'll become your friend as well, because he's a good guy. Captain trips into the discussion. You know why, because he is someone who is actually you know, in the medical field, actually works on a daily basis with people
in critical care. Uh. You know, I've discussed this before on air, and I don't want to waste time, but Captain Trips, you've been listening to this, and again, you're a nurse practitioner, but you do work in critical care with uh, with with new with newborns, with babies. Okay, I know I'm not using the proper terminology here. What does Jesson, please, what does doctor Jessica's you know synopsis there sound like to you if you were in a circumstance and all of a sudden You're you're frozen
chuck. Anyway, I'll finish this question. Oh no, I couldn't. You probably saw me nodding in agreement the whole way through the analogy though that I was coming was running through my head was kind of the you know, the people that the people that are insistent that the earth is only six thousand years old and that dinosaur bones were placed there on purpose to confuse people. There are people that hold that belief. There is nothing I can say or
you can say that it is going to shake them of that. And that's exactly where we're at, you know. And I as far as your point about you know, off label usage of drugs, and you know, hell, the field I'm in, it's all off label. But one of my mentors told me one time when I was when I was studying under him, he said, everything we do in this field is experimental, you know, So you know everything you said is exactly right. Yeah, yeah, have
worked on your seat right exactly. And you know, one of the biggest things that that I found is the problem is to try to make medicine out to be just a science and it's not. There is at least more there is at least half of it is art, you know, and and just and just clinical practice, just things you've seen over the course of twenty five years, going, yeah, I understand what what this particular research study says. However, in twenty five years, I've encountered X amount of patients to
present it exactly the same way. And if I did with that research study told me to do, I'd kill half of them. So yeah, a lot, a lot of it is the And I don't even I don't even blame the general public because if you're not working in this area, you have no reason to realize that, you know, what what has been, what is been, you know, brought down from on high is not necessarily how
you know, how the sausage is truly made. And then you you know, you've had those people still within clinical medicine who have tried to speak up and have had their you know, their their heads chopped off for it metaphorically. You know, what I've been doing is, you know, I tend to be able to spot the true believer, and I don't. I don't try. I you know, I've had a few people that started off as true believers that have come to me in confidence and said, hey, you
know, I'm doubting this, that or the other thing. What do you think. The only inroads I've been able to make is with people that I can tell you know, they they aren't necessarily true believers. They you know, a lot of them are colleagues that you know their whole career. They've been taught to trust the CDC and trust the FDA and trust this professional organization. But you know, one of them is the American Academy of Pediatrics. And I said, listen, I know I can't. I can't trust a
ward that comes out of them anymore. If they are seriously taking positions that men can breastfeed. They have discredited themselves as an organization that can put anything out that's of any value. And I've thrown I've completely thrown them out. Yeah, yeah, completely agree. And my friend, you are not alone. Can I just make a confidence about what you said about the dinosaur bones?
Though? Sure? Like sure, I just like you know, there are beliefs that people can hold, Like you know, I was called a flat or third of the other day for some reason. Kind of you believe that the Earth is not flat, by the way, But you know what people in my view, can believe whatever the mother of whatever they want,
except when it's causing harm to others. That's the difference. So if a doctor or an organization like the ones you just pointed out, or the you know, the turnstile agencies that are supposed to be looking out for us when it comes to biologicals and pharmaceuticals, are are enforcing and forcing their belief systems on the entire world. Basically, because what the FDA says is basically what
everybody ends up following. Right, that's really like that goes beyond, beyond the beyond, I mean, like it takes do no harm and it puts a big steaming pile of crimes exactly. And that's what I've been saying. No, I completely agree with you. Imagine if the FDA started saying, well, well, I mean, actually your example is as ludicrous as the
one I was about to give, that males can breastfeed. Imagine if the FDA started saying that the Earth was flat, what everyone just believed it like, I think they'd be You know what the scary part is, if you asked me this question five years ago, I'd just said, yeah, maybe
one or two people are going to buy it now. I'm afraid that if they come out tomorrow and said that or you know, said that the moon really is made out of Swiss cheese, You're going to have a lot of people that just like they, you know, went from changing their their Twitter Twitter icons to from vaccines to a certain nation in Europe's flag on you know,
overnight. It's frightening. I mean, I guess you're either familiar with her, you've heard of the world, heard of the man Matthias Desmitt, but I think he he comes about as close as anyone has to explaining this. And you know, it's funny. I think the thing that really woke me up to a lot of this early, you know, not only my experience, but my wife has chronic wine disease and that's a very political diagnosis,
and you know, it's completely devastated her. But you know, I can't tell you how many people we went to when we said that and oh, no, she's depressed, or oh well, you just had a kid, so you're having postpartum depression, or you work too much, or you're this, or you're that. So it really dovetailed. I don't know if dovetails the right word, but it chewed me in very early to what was actually going on with this, uh, with this particular viral viral mania.
But but yeah, I you know, we're we're at a we're at an inflection point on so many levels, and you know one of them is is medicine and healthcare. And you know, people come to me all the time, you know, the just not even necessarily looking for medical advice about a particular problem. But like, what do I do? I have to go to my doctor. I mean, my doctor wants my kids to get this, you know, these these vaccines or I don't trust. And what I've
told people is listen, one do Look. I've pointed them in direction of some you know, some of what I consider valid, valid counter research to the general narratives. And I've also said, I said, trust your gut. You know, you got to trust your gut. If you don't feel right about your your doctor, your medical provider saying your child needs X, Y and Z, if that if that doesn't pass the sniff test, then then don't go along with it. I said, just be And I've told
that about me too, about me personally. I've even told you know, families, I've talked to. You don't have to trust what I say, but you know, on this particular topic, you can look this up. And if I if you come back and you tell me you know what you were wrong and I found this out or the other thing, Hey, I'm open to looking at it because quite frankly, if I'm practicing, I don't want to practice any correctly, and I certainly don't want to hurt anybody.
So if do you find counter evidence to what I'm suggesting, by all means, bring it, bring it to me and we'll talk about it. But unfortunately, you know, I kind of and a lot of it. I look at my age and I'm in the same I'm forty seven, so the three of us are all in the same age, cohort. And when I look at my colleagues that are ten to fifteen years younger than me, they don't do that. And those of us that are in this particular age cohort,
I mean, we're all late gen xers. You know. For whatever reason, we were taught don't trust the system and find out on your own, and we've carried it through thankfully. That's so funny, Like I've had this conversation with pure Corey. I believe it was him who brought it up and it was true. He's like, have you ever noticed that all of us are like the same age? And I'm like, what do you mean? Who all of us like you and me and Brian Cole and Robert Malone.
You know there is some discrepancy all basically coming from the same like era. And I'm like, exactly it questing. You know, someone told me one time, someone told me one time about gen x ers that you know, as gen xers, we knew from a young age that the system was bullshit. We knew growing up. You know, was that just you know, our our time placement in history. I don't know, I've actually dot you know, the whole generational research, generational cohort things fascinates me. But
that's a whole other topic. But it does come into now, and what doctor Corey said is exactly right. The main people that have questioned and still do question things are all they're either our age or older. But there's very few of the call my colleagues below me, below me in age, I should say, below me in an earlier generational cohorts that that are questioning. They they have been taught that you know you trust the quote unquote experts,
and you know I have to bring up I said. Well, then, I said, you know what, if you want to if you want to trust the experts, let me point you to a couple of things. So go back and look at I said. I remember Vos, I said, I remember when OxyContin came on the scene. I didn't live through it, but I read about solidimide. I you know, I know about the nineteen
seventy six swine flu, you know, supposed pandemic. I said, so I can point to you many many times when not only were the experts wrong, but the expert opinion was forced on the entire population and many people suffered from it. And back to an earlier point you made. I've said this from the beginning, and this is what I said when they first released this stuff, I said, you know, I was one of the few people I knew of that. I read the Pfizer documentation in December of twenty twenty.
Oh my gosh, I could have poked my eyeballs out afterwards, but I read it all and the first thing that stood out to me was, oh, okay, so this might reduce symptoms. I said, your study endpoints. You didn't look at the two main things that I thought we were concerned with, which was transmission of this particular virus. And deck I said, so, okay, fine, you know you did it fast, all right, this is all you studied. And I was fine with it until
the narrative was this vaccine will stop transmission. We know that this vaccine will do this. We know that, and I'm going, how do you know this? And then it even still, I kept my mouth shut until until it was forced. And that's when I really opened my mouth. I said, listen, this stuff's out there. You're an adult if you want to go out and get it by all means, I said, But the moment you're forcing me, you're forcing someone else to do something. That's where I
draw the line. And you know, I said, I. You know, I grew up at a time in medicine where I remember my first job in nursing, going through my hospital orientation, and I swear the first two days was nothing but this one hr representative pounding in our head that we had to respect the choice of the patient, even if we disagreed with it, even if we knew it was going to kill the patient. We respected there, and we respected the autonomy of that person to who make their own decision
about what dealer did not happen to their body. And I've I've held that practice my entire career. Yeah, I learned that in the service industry. I the only job I've really had outside of academia is uh, restaurant stuff. So I learned more about everything being a waitress and managing than I'm doing any series. No, I'm going to agree with you because I started off
there. I started off there as well, Yes myself, you know that's the that's the thing, and and it's it's not that the customer is always right, but it's like we know that. But it's like my take on that is that I'm going to do everything in my power not for tips, because I'm not let person to make this person's experience memorable and happy, because my my thing is this night or this lunch that this person decided to come to my restaurant to eat might be like the first time they've eaten out in
a year. It might be after they've just been diagnosed with cancer, it might be you know what I mean, It's like you never freaking know going through So my thing was the customer actually is always right, and the customer is more important than anything else right now, and so I'm going to anyway,
I'm going on a tengent But it's kind of the same thing. It's like if you're if you're a doctor patient in a relationship, and that patient is adamant, maybe they've done more research than the doctor that this drug, this injection is not going to benefit them. There's there's no authority on the planet that can of force that person to inject anything, for example, into their body that they do not want injected into their body. That's as salt
if that happens. I've used the same example. I've used the same example, and I you know, I've said to people, I said, well, let's let's take I said, I'm not putting them on the same level. I said, but let's take let's take sexual harassment in between a supervisor and someone that works under them. I said, if I called someone in my office and I said, you must take this into your body to keep your job, I said, not only would I be out of a job, my ass would be in jail. I said, so, yes,
I mean, it's certainly on a different level. I'm not claiming that sexual assault is somehow less than what we're talking about. However, if you look at the mechanics of it, it's no different. You know, when people were losing their jobs because they were forced to do something that they can't take back. And that's the thing I said. You know, I'm not a fan of mask mandates either, but I said, okay, well here's a
little bit difference. I said, when I walk out of that building, I can take the mask off, I can put it in the trash. I can choose not to go back to that building. But once something is injected into my body or your body, it doesn't come out. I said, So the stakes are much higher, and you know, you know,
I am seeing some cracks. Though you had mentioned at about you know, the FDA being the world authority, and not that I trust the European authorities, but I have noticed a lot of European countries have really veered away from the FDA and CDC recommendations, especially where it concerns children in taking these vaccines.
My state, you know what I'm here. You know, not all heroes were caps, but I think doctor Latipo, who's the surgeon general here in Florida is he's got cajones the size of the state because he's attacked mercilessly, but he continues to stick to his science and not to get political. But you know, with with our governor, desantists like him or not.
I've talked to quite a few people who who were around him when he was making decisions regarding how to run the state in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, and they said the guy wasn't coming into the to his office and sitting down and listening to what was being told. He was out reading the science. He was participating in these discussions, so he really knew what people were
saying. And I think the you know, again not to not to claim Florida is the greatest place in the world, but I think you can look at how we fared down here compared to other parts of the other parts of the country. You know, we're sto bring economically here like everybody else's but I'd say, what, the economy in Florida is a whole hell of a lot better than it is in places like California. And you know, I'm not worrying about Stephanie over human excrement walking down the street and you know,
so I think the results speak for themselves in that respect. By the way, you mentioned plamide and quite interested to want to know that the exact same mantra was used in the context of plinimize. So when I think here, you should have some kind of alarm bell going off in your head, go ding ding ding ding. And I'm not joking, I'm not being litigious, not being sarcastic. If you hear this mantra, and it is a mantra,
it's like a propaganda yep. It's like going, oh, yeah, it's it's not you know, to it, very very simply, it's not. If that's what the phrase is being used to describe a product, is safe effective, that product is not safe, probably not or effective. Yeah. You know. One of my one of my favorite memes going around right now is a skill clip of the two from the movie The Shining with the
two little girls. You know, if you see the movie The Shining, the girls that appear in there, and it's just let me introduce you to safe and effective. That just that that that one and the other one is is a foosball table with all the characters laying down and said, you know, cable football Pfizer edition, but no, I said the same thing.
Yeah, the the yes, the solid of my acutane is another one I started practicing in the late nineties when thankfully people realize that, holy shit, we can't be giving accutane to young females that may become pregnant because you're gonna have babies born hideously defective, uh you know, defect, defective, deformed.
But I you know, in my career, had about three three kids that I saw and this was in the nineties and early two thousands, where for whatever reason, they didn't read the they didn't keep up on it, or the girls got a hold of it and took it anyway, But I saw at least three acutane babies and it was horrible, but it was the
same thing. It was safe and effective. I don't know if they used the mantra for that, but you know, the one that they're doing now is the diabetes drug that people are using for weight loss in some of the horror stories I'm hearing about that, but that's another safe and effective. So yeah, if you say safe and effective, if it's labeled as safe and effective, it's absolutely neither until proven otherwise, Yeah, that's a better way to put it. But yeah, it's hilarious. It's not hilarious at all,
but it's hilarious in a kind of cloud world way. That that's how it is right now. You know, it's like our authorities or regulatory bodies, medical professionals, the words safe, health, effective, all of these things have been completely absconded and and the the meanings have been completely replaced. I mean, it's a yeah, it's almost inverted. It means nothing anymore. Really, Uh, you know, And I tell people now, if they say it's something safe, I said, well, define my question is
defined safe. If you're asking me if said medication is one safe and it won't hurt anyone, I'll tell you unequivocally no, because I don't know that there's any product out there other than other than water that that you can say, or saline that is it is not going to hurt anyone. So, you know, different, we all have different backgrounds and and sturgees even, I mean, we're all different, so absolutely to to make that claim.
That's another reason why and how I got really suspicious at the beginning when I started seeing this like one solution shot crap they were going to. They still they still want to. They want to ject every single being with this BS modified m r NA l n P stuff. And and and you know what, I've been looking at this for three years and I can't, and no one can ken as yet say exactly what's in that needle? That's exactly exacticulous,
cannot violence vile to lot country to country. We have no no exactly. Wasn't it you had mentioned Ryan Cole, And I think it was him and his lab the one that was actually looking at the purity of the vile when people were talking about there were self replicating something something in these shots. And and I believe it was his lab that looked at it and said,
well, you know, that's not what you're seeing. What you're seeing is the fact that there's no there's no purity standards, and you don't know, we don't really know what's in this stuff. And it not even that it's saying that it's someone intentionally put something in it. But the manufacturing process was not was not clean, and they were finding, you know, metal fragments from the from poorly, poorly made needles. They were finding rubber fragments from
the stoppers on the vials. So yeah, it's yeah. You know, if I was watching this as a movie, it would be you know, comically comic, comically horrible, but but living through it, it's a completely different story. Yeah. In terms of contamination though, the the you know, you can always expect a certain amount of like some kind of contamination like metal, rubber stuff law, you can always expect that when you're talking about
billions of products. But the latest and I'm just going to throw this in here before we close, just to freak everyone out, is that it's it's likely that a huge proportion of the the Pfizer and Moderna products, more so Pheiser are contaminated with DNA. This is a huge deal because this whole integration story and gene therapy ie thing becomes very very very real. And we were very very strongly told that integration is never going to be an issue because this
is mRNA, but it's not. It's DNA. In some fials that have been tested by Kevin McKernin, one third of the nucleotides are actually DNA. So that's not the only problem. It's also the issue of endotoxin contamination, which is a big deal because if you get injected with endotoxin likelycopolysaccharide, you can go into an eclectic shock and you can die. This is probably why if anyone remembers, they started asking people to hang around the injection site for
fifteen yet because they switched. Know it's my friend Josh Getzko is calling this thebate and switch. The clinical batches that were used in the trial were one thing. They were created. The modified and Marney was created using one method and the process too which they were. The commercial batches that were stuffed into all of the people were the modified Marnee was produced using a different method which involves for DNA in plasmids any Colie. So I'm sorry to drop that on
everyone who doesn't know about this. Go art unfortunately, man, because there's a roundtable going on with some very special people about this subject matter on what is it the ninth, which is I think a Monday. I hope I have that date right, Yeah, it's coming up next week, So everyone should tune into that because this is going to be the most comp a handsome
panel of people who know the most about this talking all at once. And I'm also going to be speaking, So yeah, I think out of time and and yeah, it looks like, yeah, I saw, I saw we get the message. Yeah it happened last time to his his internet kind of cut out. I guess they really. Well, I'm glad I was. I'm glad I was able to get on I could help help help carry water from my friend's shota. Not not as effectively as he can. But but you know, again, it was an it was it was an It's
an honor to me too, it really is. I've been I've been following your work and there's quite a handful of people out there that I've that I've used as go to sources, and you have been one of them. So I say, definitely, well, I I throw it right back at you.
And it's so perfect that you're you're because like the the perspective of the medical doctors who have been like shut up and had their licenses removed or threatened and all this, you're the most important people because you, like, while a lot of you are on the ground, and you're actually you were there when it started, so you have a perspective on what's actually going on in terms of COVID and you know, the oxygen that really came up and you
have this unique perspective window into the world of the enormous surge in patients let's call you're seeing since the injections. I mean it's like, so, yeah, it's you're very valuable. And you know, I've even seen things within my own field. They obviously, thank god, none of my patients even qualify under their you know, their recommendations for these things. But I've definitely, I've definitely noticed upticks in certain certain deformities in certain certain medical certain neonatal
diagnoses that don't see very often. But you know, I've seen some really weird things that do I have, you know, ironclad evidence that it's related to the to the introduction of this product. No, I don't. I haven't done any you know, serious data collection, but from an anecdote. And you know what I tell people is said, well, where do you
think most medical science comes out of? It comes out of anecdotes. I said, it comes because these particular people started doing X, Y and Z for this diagnosis and said, oh wow, this looks like it works. Less study it, do it yourself exactly. So yeah, it's you know, we were facing I think we're facing where we faced and are going through a perfect storm, just you know, going back, and you know,
Meryl nass is a is a good one too. I'm sure you're familiar with her and the work that you know her what she's been talking about with it with anthrax and you know, even some of that stuff. I had to had to go, oh yeah, no, I do remember that. And you know, I do remember the hysteria in the two thousand and four two thousand and five period, talking about, oh know, we're going to have a pandemic that's going to kill every boat. And and suddenly these things,
you know, suddenly these laws and and policies were changing. And I'm sorry, you know, I people say, oh, well, we always we were always required to get flu shots in healthcare, and I said no, I said no, it was always offered. I said, but that didn't happen until the whole H one N one debacle. And I said, the next flu season is suddenly when every hospital in the country started saying you have to do this. Prior to that, it was offering offered, it was
encouraged. And you know, I'm fine with that. If you want to say, hey, we're offering these vaccines if you like it, we think you should get it, but it's up to you. I'm perfectly fine with that. I'm uh, you know, for my for myself, because I I know I can make my own decisions. But yeah, the minute they took, the minute they took uh, you know, ourself, our our self determination away from us was when I when I said, that's it.
I'm not I'll die on this hill. And it cost me every little bit I had in savings to get out of the area that we were in. But you know, it was he that or I was, you know, I was either going to become part of the experimental group or I was going to be you know, driving an uber. And you know, so I took the I took the potential to drive the uber, and I said,
let's go. We're out. You know, it's you know, it's worked out well for me so far, thankfully, but my heart goes out to those who didn't or couldn't move and or you know, they had to go get repeatedly injected with this stuff and now they're facing the consequences. And yeah, well, I think we are at the top of the hour. All right, all the listeners out there, they're watching this video. Unfortunately, we had some technical difficulties with Chuck, he wasn't able to rejoin the show
Zoom. I'm not happy with Zoom, but that's how it goes. But thank you Jessica for coming on again and having a great show. Every time you come on. It's just fantastically a great response. And you know, like I said, how would you not like a surfer girl, I'm here to tell you. I'm here to tell you. All right, listen, we know, we know where you live. We know where you live, Dave, you know we we we only take take your opinions partially serious.
Hey, it's not me. It's not my fault that live in the crazy state of California. Okay, with gruesome You're next President's story? I know. Still I still want to I still want to know how he gets to a point a resident of the state of Maryland to become the sit in senator for the senator of California. I want to know how that works. I thought you had to be a resident of the state that you were a senator
from. I need a book. She's a black lesbian. He's a black lesbian, so it's okay, Yeah, I should book A friend who was a full consultant. That was part of his mild You in the nineties. Him and Willy Brown. Yah boy, he's got some stories to tell. But that Willy Brown. Yeah, that everybody, Jessica as always in the future, I'd love to have you back on again, and we'll work on getting a better connection for Chuck. I'll make that my priority. We got
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