The Ochelli Effect 10-20-2023 Open Mic

The o' Chilei effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and listeners like you, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all media yea. October twenty, twenty twenty three. Allegedly, according to that thing you call a calendar, it's the o'cell effect. It's Friday night, and we got open lines and open topics. Now, to my best efforts, I'm going to try and get to everybody as quickly as possible. I would really love to hear from as many different people as possible about varied topics tonight. Okay, so

that is what I want to encourage. No dictating what the topic is. But I don't want to get stuck on one thing and answer and call and response and no, let's try and get people through with maybe not the exact time limits I initially set out, but let's try and get through the callers quickly, make the conversation more interesting, more brisk, use up five minutes your way, which way it has to go, and that'll be that. I'll put you on hold and bring you back around if you call in three

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my back is thrown out. But again, this will be created by you, the callers, the participants. We also have the live chatroom Mitochelli dot com. The link is out there if you're hearing us on some other device, if you just search for Ocelli dot com. There's a listen live button. Actually there's several of them on the front page and other pages as well.

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one six. That is the number to call. And we are now less than a month away from when B Pete and I will make our way to Dallas. Still got a couple of possibilities for people. If you are looking at your budget and going crap, I don't know if I can get there or if I can stay there. Hey, look, if you're somebody that we kind of know, can kind of trust, and you want to kind of kick in on the uh hotel room that B Pete and I are going

to have, it's not going to just be a regular room. We got a suite, so we're we're gonna sneak a couple guys in down on our costs. How about that? Plus there's some other possibilities for some box lunches and this and that, and the third thing which I'm trying to reserve and make sure that we got enough of. And hey, I got merched too.

Merch that relates to the show books related to the JFK case, some other historical pieces of this and that, and a few people have actually pledged to send me some additional books, which I'll be offering all that stuff as thank you presents for people that fund the trip to Dallas, fund the network, et cetera. If you're there, you're guaranteed to walk away with a gift. And that's the way that is. I got T shirts, hats, i got wallets, I've got or IFID protectors, keychains, all kinds

of stuff. Some of it might be silly swag and what have you, but I've also got a couple of one of a kind items, some JFK related stuff which is either one of a kind or fairly uncommon. Few things

are going to be there with me. I had a couple of pieces of silver I was bringing along, but I worked the flea market last week and sold it, so now I don't have the silver pieces that I was going to bring with me to the convention, although I am bringing my poker set because that won't take up much room in the car, and a few other odd items because I'm planning on hanging out with whoever shows up anyway. That's

what's happening between the seventeenth and nineteenth. Although b Pete and I will likely arrive in Dallas the night before, if plans all go well, and I'm seriously gonna want to make sure that we leave on Sunday, but of course not up to me. I'm not the driver. And if for some reason you think you can get in with us on the road trip and you're somewhere between Georgia and Dallas, let me know, maybe we can figure that out

too. I don't know. I don't know for sure, and certainly you'd have to take up less space because I got a couple of toads full of stuff I'm bringing. Anyway, that's happening. The week that was happened, it was a little bit of a light week for me on the network. I had a professor, David Beto on to discuss FDR and a reframing of that president on Wednesday. I had Carmine on on Thursday with Mike Swanson and we went over quite a few things JFK related. Now that podcast has not

been released yet, but I'm getting to it. I'm just having a hard time sitting at the desk, and I'm having a hard time doing a lot of things because my back is totally uh ft, so I'm kind of useless at the moment. I've actually had to have my nine year old helping me out a bit while I'm trying to take care of him while sending missus Zoe to work. She's got a regular day job again, and that's been a bit of an adjustment, and we got to figure out babysitting for Dallas too.

So fun and fun and all of it not necessarily on a pun. But you can join in and talk about the news of the day, the events of the day, what's going on in the world, whatever's on your mind, open mic, open topics. Three to one nine five two seven, five zero one six one more time, because I don't want to keep repeating it tonight too much. Three to one nine five two seven five zero

one six. Get on the line, and you'll get on the show with at least five minutes to speak, and then we'll bring you back around and see we can get you to fifteen minutes of pain at least in the o'celly game. But who else is with me? My co host b Pete. Now that I've talked for a couple of minutes and started the show about ten minutes late, like normal, here we are it's Friday again. Be Pete and I don't know if we're going to do every Friday up until we leave,

and we're certainly not doing the seventeenth of November. There may be other breaks necessary. We'll just have to see. And oh yeah, I'll get to the whole why I didn't release the four hour podcast from last week just yet a little later in the show. But I'm already tired of talking and need to adjust myself with my painful position and my back being thrown out. So anyway, as Ppete said, welcome to adulthood, and I say to be Pete, Well, welcome to the show. How you doing this week?

Man? Oh, it's been a hectic week. I'm just trying to catch up. I'm not long in the door from running around and finishing the work. But other than that, looking forward to a good weekend. We had a little lane moving through to night, and then tomorrow it's supposed to really be fall sixty degrees sunny. I'm looking forward to it nice. Nice. Of course, if the pressure gets low enough here in the southeast, that's gonna you know, double down on my crippling up because it's gonna hurt

more. But what the hell, I got to heal sometime in between now and the seventeenth. By the way, that is the plan. We're gonna leave, like what Tuesday or Wednesday to get there by Thursday. Right, Well, it's only probably I don't know, probably leave Thursday. Well, probably Wednesday. Well I don't know. I'm thinking on Wednesday driving down getting you, and then we leave early Thursday morning. It's only a twelve hour drive. Oh is that all it is? I thought it was longer than

that. No, it's about twelve twelve and a half hours, you know what it is. I think it's because my perception being on the Greyhound. Plus, first of all, you know, when you're miserable, it takes longer to do things. But secondly, I was literally on that bus for twenty six hours, you know, So to me it just seems like as ever, compare anything to a bus ride. You know, you used to live down here in the Kingston area up to Norfolk is only what two and

a half hours maybe three by car? That little short drive took me almost twenty four hours to make because they hit every cross road on the way. Oh yeah, I mean, look, even in a tiny state like New Jersey, right, I used to typically have to take what was about a two and a half hour bus ride to go what was essentially, let's say,

fifteen minutes down the parkway to get from one spot to another. And we're talking only maybe two miles off of each parkway exit, so at sixty miles an hour another five minutes at most of drive, so you're talking about a twenty minute trip if you don't speed like my one friend used to, we would be there in about seven minutes when I went from my home, but my bus ride experience would be two and a half hours plus walking to and from bus stops to go to what band practice and work that I was

doing in Asbury Park when I lived in Lakewood, New Jersey. If you want to look it up on a map, imagine having to take two and a half hours to get from one spot to the other there and buses running, you know, not as often as you think for a place that was well covered in mass transit. But I learned exactly how much of a luxury the Northeast was with mass transit coming down south here, people look at me like I'm crazy if I think a bus route might be somewhere around, you

know, like, is there maybe a bus there. What are you serious? This? You know this ain't Atlanta boy? What's wrong with you? Yeah? Buses right? Sure? And then they also I love the whole Well we got handicapped bus things, and I go, oh good, you know what, I'm handicapped. Yeah, they say handicapped, but even though they're a government thing and everything else, they don't necessarily mean everybody who's handicapped. So even in that case where I'm certified handicapped, I can't necessarily get

a bus anyway. Why did I go off on that tangent? Because it is open for interpretation tonight. So before I even get into any of my news stuff that I have in mind, or let be Pete loose, I say, we start to get to some of the callers right away. What do you think, be Pete, sir. Sounds like a plan. Let's do it right, because last week I had one guy that literally waited ninety minutes. That's unacceptable, and I apologize, So let's try and do it

as quicker. I think I got one guy already waiting fifteen though, because we didn't start right away and he was on the line. Let me just check the order on that. But is there anything else you want to make sure you throw in before we get the callers while I check this will last week was that was a different show than that was what almost four hours? Yeah, it's actually yeah, little more than four hours. And I'm going to get to that. What I'm gonna do with it because it has not

been released as a podcast beatos podcast out. I got Aaron's Show, which there was no Uncle this week, just the age of transitions. Uncle wasn't feeling well, nothing major, but he was just you know, under the weather. So didn't do a show. And yeah, I didn't O'Kelly in the Greek from Saturday, but also didn't do the didn't do much from Saturday

except produce Aaron Show and release those two podcasts. And it took me days to get that done because of my bad back, can't sit in a chair, can't stand over the desk, so you know, I kind of just had to find a place to get comfortable enough and get through it. So it looks to me like Harlan was the first one waiting, and then we got Dvance waiting on the line, and there was another caller who has now dropped. So I'm gonna get to them and just see what's on their mind

this week, and this is how the festivities will begin. Also, I'm gonna take a couple of breaks and break things up a little bit, but try to keep the breaks short, try and keep the pattern short here and make the conversation a little more brisk. If all of you don't mind, And I did read your criticisms, and I do get it, and I

really would like to see more callers. So let's see if we can't accomplish all of that, and at the same time, let everybody be heard, regardless of what I or anybody else thinks about what they have to say. Okay, so, oh, just double checking on something. Indeed, Harlan is the first one up. So Harlan, you're on the line and welcome to Friday Night once again. What's on your mind, my friend? Well, I just want to say, first of all, I denounced il antias,

semitism real or imagine. Oh boy, how's everybody else? Well, now that that's out of the way, be Pete. What do you got to say? Oh? Man, really, nothing enough, you know, whatever the topic of the day is. But on that topic, wait, wait to go, Arley, what about you? Go? Girl? Listen? I also want to say that I'm absolutely against theft, murder, and rape. I stand firmly against any of these actions, just because you know it's time to say things that really shouldn't have to say if it's already that

way. I also am not fond of liars or hypocrites. So there you are, and I do not stand with good So if we're okay, if we're all going to announce what we're against. I am against the process of shrink flation. I'm tired of going to buy a little Debby cake in the morning and the price has gone up considerable in the past couple of years, and you end up with nothing. Don't make it smaller. Charge me what you got to charge me for making it full sized. I don't mind paying.

I understand prices go up, but to charge me more and then make it smaller, well, that's just insulting. And I wish to stand with my friend b Pete on this particular issue and also say that he's entitled to all of that and a big So, Harlan, what do you have to say to that? Well, I'm gonna just go with fefees lead and I'm gonna say how much more is it gonna coles made to get a cold pop.

I mean you're looking now at a lot of places. A twenty ounce out where I'm at, any worries, T sixty nine one later is usually around three twenty nine to three seventy. Can you charge me another colder? Just go ahead, and this ase at tempt your own bound. The war hits it laced colder than bast water. That's an interesting thing. Look, I haven't started your clock yet, but I am going to start it after I'm done saying this. Took me a minute there to figure it out.

Remember, I'm a little bit, a little bit brain damaged from having lived in New Jersey, so I didn't understand what the hell you were talking about at first. But now I have reasoned through context that a cold pop is what you were saying. And I do believe that means you're talking about a prepackaged soda, or at least that's what we would call it New Jersey, something like that, and with except for an eye right and coke a pet a drink? Right? Yes, okay, all about one today and get

back to the trip. I had to put it in the fraser in my refrigerator. Get it towed down. Wow, yes, that's I got it. I got to jump in with him on this one. This is this old cabal about replacing glass bottles with plastic. You can't get those suckers cold enough. Even if you put it in a cooler full of ice, they do not get cold enough. That's why you got to either buy it in

a glass bottle or a can. I bought a doctor pepper the other day, which is an iffy situation anyway, given the makeup of the of the chemicals inside. But from walking to the store to the truck, I popped that sucker open and you would have thought it was Hiroshima. Studs went everywhere. It was so and this was in a plastic bottle. I don't care what you do with those coolers. People. When they keep opening the doors, the cold goes outside and you can't get you drink cold. That's probably

one of my biggest pet peeves. I'm gonna buy a cold drink. I wanted to be cold, okay, fair enough, And I'm not going to interfere with any of those points. And again I'm gonna delay Harlan's clock. And why I'm gonna let somebody else get a word in edgewise, believe it or not. Let's see how this works out. Okay, because I caught I got this thing right. Let's see die first then quit. Okay,

that's the banner over jesse Ventura stuff. And apparently he just released right as I was going to air, according to my emails, a little thing on the recent politics. So I'll just throw jesse Ventura's two minute clip here onto the show and play a little excerpt of it and see what happens. Hi, Governor jesse Ventura here for die first. Then you know, I'm sitting here watching our government right now, and I'm watching the nomination of Representative Jim

Jordan to be Speaker of the House. You gotta be kidding me. This guy's neck deep in January sixth. He doesn't even acknowledge Donald Trump lost the election. He's a total Trump puppet. This is so blatantly obvious. What is going on here? This is Donald Trump talked about him becoming the Speaker of the House. No, the plan shifted over to make Jim Jordan Speaker of the House. And therefore Donald Trump unelected will then control our House of

Representatives because he'll have his puppet Jim Jordan there doing his bidding. Okay, I don't even think we need the other minute. It appears to me as though Jesse has probably made his total point and it's not necessary. I didn't know what it was. I just clicked on it and saw a two minute video and figured, let's hear what Jesse's thinking. And that's what I got.

Anyway, that was going on this week as well. Is Jim Jordan a complete puppet of his gymnasium Jordan a puppet of Donald Trump's I don't know. I think he's an opportunist and he's definitely enjoying the ride to be along with Donald Trump. That's an interesting thing, but also interesting to me that Jesse venture once highly lauded figure in the alleged al media arena, along with

many others who were lauded for one reason or another. Given that louday, you know that you've heard the term summa cum laudey comes from a Latin phrase meaning with great praise. Anyways, louday loudly. All that being pronounced all over the place sounds to me like Jesse's got his script in hand. He doesn't sound very alternative to me here in this understanding of what's going on. Not saying I disagree with him, but it sounds to me like a lot

of parroting coming out of Jesse Ventura. We'll say one thing for him though, as I'm looking at the video, they are the fact that he rocks back and forth a lot more clearly. I do believe he's suffering some sort of neurological thing that's been going on for quite a while. They covered it up quite a bit when he was doing that conspiracy theory show, and I'm assuming it has not improved a lot. They are doing a better job of

covering it up. So there you go. Kudos to Tyrell who's apparently partnered with him on this. Die first, then quit media element that he is producing out there and putting out. I think let's see really quickly via substack, just for everybody's knowledge, and I'll give you guys the link to that in the Ocelli chatroom at Ocelli dot com. Along with let's see what else

I got here. I have some stuff from Newsmandal as well. One thing from Newsmandal which I'm going to reference later when I get into the points of the news for the day, and this and that sorry, it might have part of my clickable link from my email because I went from my email to the link. But there it is, and there you go. Up to you if you want to listen to the other minute, but I ain't doing it right now. And he also did not steal a minute from Harlan.

So, Harlan, you kicked off the soda debate, and we've all given our disclaimers. But anything else on your mind before we you know, And now the clock is ticking, sir, so it's on you for five minutes. Go ahead and tie ust known Advance since he had to wait a loan last week. Now I'm come back to bate. You got it. That's exactly what we'll do. So on the line. Next in line would be van Erki himself Vance, So glad to have him along, and let's get

him on Vance. I don't know if you want to weigh in on the Great Soda Debate, or if you want to check in on Governor Ventur in the part of the statement I played, or have you've got something totally interesting and completely different to offer for tonight's discussion. But your time is yours, sir. When you were talking about the soda here in Texas, you know, where I you know, growing up, it was like it was the only place you could ask for a coke and then they say, what kind

of coke you want? You know, because that was just the generic term for a soda water, you know, a coke. You know, what do you want? You know, coke, doctor pepper. But you know, if I wanted theoretically advance just really quick, theoretically I want a grape soda, I can still go in and ask for a coke and then they go, okay, what kind you want? I go grape And they go, all right, they're not going to bring me a grape coke. They might bring me a Welch's grape soda. Is that right? Well, maybe

I wasn't explaining that. It's not necessarily everywhere whatever that it happened because soda was, you know, soda water. That's what my grandpa is called soda water, soda water, you know. And if they bring you a grape, it's probably going to be a Fanta or a knee high. Okay, fair enough, don't you want I want? Why not? Sure? Okay, man, it's not stealing your time, go ahead. Yeah, those

are all good choices too. You know, the chanter goes back to Germany, I think when they had to change the name because you know, they couldn't sell it over there. But uh, a friend of the family. You're on the junk yard at wrecking yard, and a guy from up north or wherever come in to the counter and and at some point he said, where's your pop? Pop? Right? He said, well, you know, he says he's not you know, he's not here. And he's like, no, where's your pop? He says, I told you my pops

he's not here. And he says, no. I mean I mean sort of you know, you know, Coca cola whatever, Where where's your pop? Somebody might have said, hey, he died over the winter. Uh you know, I mean it could be because proper good. It's like I was like, she said one more thing about my pop. I was about punching, you know, because it was like he was confused about what the hell was he talking about, and he's, oh shit, it's a machine

outside, you know whatever. But but yeah, those colloquialisms are are kind of you know, tricky to do it with. Sometimes, Yeah, no, up north, you might get how's Joe doing? Joe Joe Who Joe, Mama, I didn't, you know, I mean, it just could be. You never know what you're gonna get from. Uh, you know, one of the Yankees shows up down there. Right. Texas though, is its own thing, man. I mean to me, it seems like culturally and mentally it's you know, it's part of the South, but it's

simultaneously not part of the South, which is weird like. And I think it dates back to the fact that at one point, you know, the reason why there's one star on the flag is that it was its own republic, right, I mean, it was the Republic of Texas. And there are some people that there's still a movement even today to try and return it

to just being the Republic of Texas. I don't know how why that would be at this point in time, but I know that that's a real thing in the in the mentality of some people that consider themselves Texas, right. Yeah, I wish they I wish that we could make that happen. I think I think we're all the states should just declare independence and just become our own nations again. And and you know, bypass all this, you know, world government, you know, dystopian bullshit that's been going on. See.

I mean, yeah, I don't think it could be any worse, you know, I mean Texas already has the sands. Would be like, you know, one of the largest economies is based on its GDP, you know, you know, compared to other countries, and you know, we got a port. You know, this is the third Coast, and you know, we got access to you know, everything we need. We got oil, we got water, we got land, we got beef, we got you know. It's like, you know, I'd be awful with that.

Yeah. No, there's a bunch of people that would be It's it's funny though, because it's almost like, you know, okay, yeah, you're all for it, But where would that leave some of those people? You know, where would that leave those people that are relying on certain things. I think that some of them don't realize how much of the comfort that they've come to expect, like oh that goes along with this. It would be very weird. But anyway, I didn't mean to get into that conversation.

I was just you know, it was a throwaway thing. But back, well, back to where you're at. Ye, I got another minute or what oh no, you got time. I interrupted you, so you got you got plenty of time. Still, It's just that I was just bringing it up, like I wasn't trying to start the whole uh, you know, secession discussion. But you hear it in different places. Texas has

a significant and consistent one though. That's all. But yeah, it's really interesting when you get into it, and then some people don't realize, Oh, well that means I would lose some other stuff. Yeah, you might. Would it be better some people? Yeah? It would it be worse for others. Yeah, it's a whole whole thing. Would be worth devoting, would be worth the voting a show to it one night, I think

too. Anyway, vance enough of me taking up your time, Go right back to it whatever else was on your mind, because I'm sure the junk yard Innesota wasn't all you had in your in your thoughts, right well, I mean I didn't really have anything specific, but we got into that topic

and that kind of relates to, you know, the old dynamic. You know, how do we get out of this situation that we found ourselves in right now, which is you know, you know, way over the cliff at this point, and you know that that you know, maybe that's a conversation that needs to be you know more seriously, you know, uh, you know considered. And and you know, once when domino falls, the other domino falls, and and you know, there's a big secession movement in

New Hampshire. I mean, is it New Hampshire. Well, New Hampshire has one. I think Vermont actually has one, which is weird, and a bunch of the southern states, the Porcupine State. I think that's New Hampshire is like a real little state, right because it's only about twenty million people or you know less. It's like that's why they're focusing it there, because you know, it's a lot easier to get you know, a small group of people that are kind of already independent minded and know that. Yeah.

In addition, you've got what the eastern half of Oregon wants to join Idaho. Really yeah, yeah, as serious talk about it there, they want to they want to let the coast live by themselves and join Idaho and form another state or become a part of Idaho. Wow. The Convention of States is something you haven't heard much about. Is is the Convention of States where a lot of this stuff, would you know, bubble to the surface on states rights and states trying to protect their interest at all sides. You

know, you might start hearing about that next year or so. I know it's trying to pick up steam. Well, I'm looking at this. I mean, there's a Porcupine Mountains area in Michigan. There's I'm looking for something that would be referred to as the Porcupine State. And I really don't see it, but I was trying to find it. It's New Hampshire. Is in New Hampshire. Oh, it's New Hampshire. Yeah, that's part of the slogan for the secession movement is a porcupine, you know, for the

quills. And I would assume they have porcupines. You know a lot of there have a few of them here in Texas, but you know, you very rarely ever see one here but up north and Colorado and im good places. I know they got porcupines. Well, they apparently have the porcupine. Yeah. They have the Porcupine Freedom Festival in New Hampshire, apparently, which is pork Fest, No kidding, prc Fest looks like to me. So the Porcupine Freedom Festival started in June of two thousand and four. Looks like,

so there's that. Oh yeah, you've got Porcupine Falls, which is a big park up there. There a lot of porcupines in New Hampshire. Apparently they like to hang out in the forest land and hemlock grows close to agricultural lands. Let's see according to the an article printed in the Boston Globe in August is headlined these libertarians want to take over New Hampshire and then there's more to the headline. I'll get that as a reference for tonight's show and

I'll put it into the live chatroom atochelli dot com. It's an article from the Boston Globe. As I said, so, you know, little sub reference. There we go. So I'd never heard of this before. I mean, I've heard of secession movements, but I'd never heard of the porcupine thing in New Hampshire anyway, Sorry man, Yes, yeah, well, I was going to say, I'll throw a link in the room. There is a link to the Free State Project. Oh yeah, an organization,

and I'll throw that in the room. People can go check it out. Yeah, please do. Meanwhile, let's advance get get to his points here. I've now cut him off twice. My mistake. Go ahead, vance have anything else you had on your mind, or go ahead. You know, that's just that was the point I was trying to make in general, is just, you know, that's something we need to you know, really, you know, be more aware of and you know, make more people aware of so that you know, you know, it can't happen if it's

not imagined. You know, first you got to imagine it, and then you know it can happen. So you know, you've got a lot of people nowadays that you know, at whatever level they've accepted it, they know

in the back of their mind that this is all messed up. And you know, if offered a real, legitimate, you know, alternative, you know that they'd be easy to get a movement gone, you know, And I guess you know, that's the biggest problem that has kept it from kicking off any better since two thousand and four or whatever in the past is because of the way that they can control the narrative. And you know, in the beginning, you're saying, I'm a goat says well, I'm against social

engineer and a pillarism and technocracy. You know, I stand against that, you know. So you know, I'm I'm glad more people are aware of it, and you know, I bring it up every every chance I get.

There's a guy named Texas Slim that has started a beef coalition kind of thing here to encourage people, you know, to buy direct from the from the producer and and you know, get your beef, you know, from a you know, you can where you can go to the actual ranch and walk around, look at the cattle and see where they you know, where they raise them, and uh, you know, buy fresh wholesome meat that you know, you know where it came from and you know didn't come from

Brazil or China or a lab somewhere, and you know that that's that's we need to start thinking that way because you know, apparently I'm not really happy with the definitely not very happy with where our leaders are leading us to you at this point. Now I've seen Texas Slim actually make the rounds on a couple of podcasts, a few people have been talking about this issue with meat, and the state of Texas is involved in that discussion quite a bit.

I wasn't even aware that they were still producing a lot of beef quite frankly,

but apparently they are. And there's things going on with that industry in the state of Texas too, right man, Well, yeah, and that's what And I was see because I'm ninety percent certain that they're right two hundred yards or one hundred and fifty yards from my door is this big power line that was put up to be a part of the wind turbine grid and all that for, you know, the wind farms, right, and I think it's just sitting there, not even being used for all these years, to

the truth, but I'm not I'm not aware. You know, maybe they're using it for other power or whatever. But anyway, besides the point, I'm pretty sure he was involved with that, you know, getting that started. And he started out as a rancher up in West Texas, somewhere out in the West Texas, fan him or whatever his family, and then he you know, and when he got older, was restless, and you know, he went to Austin to to learn tech stuff and it was like the

tech industry for a while. And and so any right, when I first heard it, when I when I I assumed, you know, from his connection with the wind power thing, that he was just some rich billionaire dude that you know, was you know scammed, you know, and you know, making money on you know, energy and all that, you know,

And then I hear these these interviews. I listened to an hour and a half interview with them the other day, and I was surprised about how intelligent and he's really you know, he's in touch with the you know, all the manipulation that they've been doing through the government agencies and all that, and you know, but you know, trying to get rid of beef, you know, because it's bad for the climate, and you know, all that kind of crap, and he was, he was really on the ball.

I was. I was impressed, and so I'm hoping, you know, he's a legitimate guy. He's putting his money where his mouth is. And he started like a school to teach butcher you know, butchering, because you know, it's like the lost art most people, you know, I imagine there's probably some kids that don't even know beef comes from a cow, you know. Yeah, no, that's for sure. Yeah, no, that

that's for sure. There's always the mentality of well where does food come from the food store, which I think has not been productive for young people in general, you know, in the recent generations, and not know where the hell this stuff comes from, where it should come from. You know, like, why would they even object to the you know, pink sline in the Hamburger me why would they even bother if they don't even know it's there. It's just it's just part of the package. And you know, why

even show them that there's another choice. Meanwhile, this guy's been on a lot of podcasts and has one of his own. I put some listings in the live chatroom Attochelli dot com about Texas Slim and his podcasts, and you know, I invite you the listener to go ahead and listen to other stuff

and gain information. Who knows, maybe he would be a good guy to bring on the show and just have a conversation with, because again I'm not highly educated in this area, but always good to know where your food does come from and where it should come from. And my question bpe good, Yeah, I got a question. You know, they talk about cattle. I mean, I'm a steak lover. I can't help it. I like my steak, I like my grill. I like my steak, I like

ribs, I like roasts like barbecues. The thing is they talk about, you know, cowsby in such a detriment to the climate because of the methane they put off and everything. And in some countries over in the EU that are trying to tax farmers per head of cattle as a carbon tax or a meththange tax. Yeah, because of all the pollutants they put in the air. Some farms are being cold, whether they're being told they have to half their herd and get rid of it and be limited as to what they can

produce. My question is this, with all the advanced science that we've got, hasn't boddy anybody figured out that if you just get a big enough cann ofbino and add it to their feet, it would cut down on the gas. Shouldn't that work? I don't know, you know, because I remember this being the big joke a few years ago where it was like, you know, it was part of the package. Right. The frogs are gay, they're trying to take your hamburgers away, you know, I mean,

it rhymed, real nice. And there were people out there screaming it, whether they knew what they were talking about or not. And it is a thing Now, on the one hand, I think that factory farming is not doing us a lot of favors. I think that it's you know, and when you're shipping meat from you know, thousands of miles away to get to somewhere, it's not doing us favors. And there's something to be said about that. I think that most of your food should be sourced locally as best

you can. That's just the smart thing to do for your general well being. But at the same time, is it possible, you know, and and I always ask that question too, is that you know at a certain point, you know, we can we can put people in outer space. Uh, we can do this and that, and you can do gene manipulation and so on and so forth, but you can't deal with the cow farting. I don't know, you know, is it just about that or is there more to it? Uh? You know, I'm will be honest with

you as big as they say that. The problem is if you ever smelled the cow fart. I haven't, and I'm living in an area that's basically rural. So my question is if they fart so much we don't smell them, Well, I don't know if you don't smell them now, do you know they farted? I was around some cows in Jersey, and uh, you know that that that's not to say anything about my dating life. I'm talking about, you know the fact that I used to I actually like cows.

And there are some places you can go and they'll you pay a fee to hang out with the cows. No kidding. In New Jersey, okay, I mean, I know it's strange, but the place was called the Garden State at one point. They have these giants. The tongues are amazingly large. When they stick out their mouths like you go to feed them or something. It is really crazy. They're really large animals. Of course,

I've heard of cow tipping and all this kind of thing too. People do that at night, and okay, but I've been around them, and to tell you the truth, I think I have been around when they've been farting, because it definitely smelled like that for sure, and in different blasts at different points. Might have a lot to do with what you're feeding them, though, you know, I think maybe that the cows that are getting fed by people that are coming in from the outside and not always giving them the

approved feed might be causing problems. But I am no sort of expert. You know. You talk to me about puppies a little bit. I know something because I've raised some of them, but I haven't raised cows. I don't know a lot about cows except that I just think they're very cool creatures in a spiritual way. And I also don't mind eating them. I'm weird like that. You know, a lot of people if I get into a deep discussion about how I appreciate the animal, they figure I wouldn't want to

eat it. But I have this very relative sort of viewpoint on those things, you know, where people I appreciate the most, you know, and look, I'm not they are they are? You know, let's see, well from the chat room, cows farting being a problem for the so called climate crisis is b s Yeah, okay, face I think so too,

But you know, can I scientifically prove it? I wonder maybe I should reach out to Texas Slim and see if I can get him on here and have a couple of conversations with him, see what we can learn together. That might be a good idea. Let's put a pin in that. Okay, thanks, vance anything else you want to add well, the climate change, you know, unless science has changed, which it has. But I was taught that the there's a carbon based planet. So you know, pretty

much everything except for like silicon a couple of is all carbon. You know, everything's carbon and it and it goes back to carbon when it when it you know, uh, deteriorates and you know, degrades and all that. You know, it breaks back down. You know, water has got carbon in it or you hydrocarbons U. So this is so weird. It's like, how are we going to tax people on carbon when you're made out of carbon? You know, the cars made out of carbon, the wheel,

the tires have made up you know, a large percentage of carbon. This is definitely the biggest hoax or one of the biggest hoaks they've been able to

pull off. So I'll leave it there. No fair enough. And the only thing that I could say in defense of the idea that there could be problems with this stuff is that when you have an imbalanced I mean clearly when it comes to you know, handling animals and when it comes handling the land, if you either are extracting too much of one thing or putting too much of another thing into that land, you cause problems. It's just that simple, right, So, you know, there has to be a give and

take with the land if you're going to work with it. I mean, this is one of those very basic principles that just seem to prevail among people that actually did this. I think when they do it on an industrial scale, though, it might change the equation and could cause problems, not necessarily because they're putting something that is toxic into the situation a lot of times,

although sometimes they're doing that too with some of these chemicals and things. But I think that the major problems are probably caused by the massive imbalance, you know, where they've sort of stripped land of its usefulness by sucking all the nutrients out of it and never replacing it back when it comes to farming or

you know. Another thing that's interesting that a lot of these vegetarians don't understand is that, you know, one of the great things that makes your you know, vegetables suck up so many great things from the soil is when that soil has some sort of animal products given back to it. It's one of the great things that does help. You know, you can't just grow vegetables. By recycling your vegetables back into the land. It helps a lot when

you have some animal products go back and decay back into the land. It's just one of those things that happens. I mean, yes, the sun contributes and all all these things come into a balance and create these you know, miraculous things that are plants and animals and so on and so forth,

and they feed each other, and there is there are systems here. But when we throw it totally out of balance, I think we do no one any favors now outside of that, you know, do you have a right to tell people, Okay, we're going to tax the hell out of you because or make it impossible for you to actually, you know, do the farming now because you got to pay Monsanto, and you got to pay your carbon tax, and you got to pay your land tax, and you know,

here we go. What are you going to be left with except these massive conglomerates that do it on an industrial scales, with the speed and with the massive sourcing that can be done with as few people in the equation as possible. Which is funny because I haven't seen too many discussions about you know, the automation of this, right, I'm figuring automation is in every other type of service and industry that there has to be an issue of automation here

also, is that the right way to go? Is that what we're doing? And is there not a way that we could sort of distribute these things a little better so that the give and take with the planet is a little

more balanced. I think those are all reasonable discussions to be had. But this whole like, you know, well, this industry needs to be taxed and oh, by the way, you shouldn't even be eating meat anyway, and you know, it gets into a whole ridiculous thing where okay, now the control of the culture comes into play and everything else, and it's just it's horrendous, man. And it's a huge, huge topic that you know, I haven't had the as many opportunities as I would like to have addressed

it. You know, from a reasonable perspective, you know, what is it we can do? And yeah? Good? And and I you know, fully aware and uh cognizant of the you know, the pollution aspect of it. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm not saying that you know, there's should be nothing you know, to worry there's you know,

absolutely nothing to worry about, and all that kind of stuff. But the things that they're tempting to tax or or just I mean that the Agenda twenty whatever, I mean, they they're they're on record, you know, saying that you know, they're going to make humans the next threat to the planet, you know, and and you know that that that's that technocracy stuff that they're pushing all this stuff just to you know, further tighten their control over

all the resources and and and humanity excuse me, uh uh in general. And so you know that's the that's the angle that I was going at, you know, by saying that you know, they've convinced us that you know, we're a threat to you know, we're all you know, potentially you know, dangerous, and when they'd be less of us and all that, which is exactly the opposite of the case, you know, and the uh, the the control that there's all kinds of stuff that you know could be

done that would lessen all that. I mean, the whole hemp thing you know that that you know got outlawed in the twenties and all that is is one of the most useful resources on the planet and could have you know, prevented all kinds of these problems that we're talking about from soil erosion and and you know the health of disoil and all that kind of stuff. And so it's definitely a mess. But you know, there's plenty of everything to go around. It's just a matter. You know, they can't make no profit

on it, so they want to make sure they got to control. You follow where I'm growing, I'll stop there, No, absolutely, I'm gonna put you on hold just for the for the time being, and we're gonna

we're gonna cycle things back around. Here's here's the thing. You know, the first real argument that was sort of counterproductive to me being able to be everybody's friend and podcaster broadcaster extraordinary that I thought I was on my way to becoming that I never got to. You know what's funny about it is that the first massive arguments I had, like really nasty fallouts with people that started turning them against me was this bs of oh, the population is way out

of control, there's too many people on the planet, and they think they're freedom fighters, basically telling us there's too many people on the planet, and that leads to a very dangerous sort of mindset in my mind, this whole idea that well, what we need to do is this and that, and there's just too many people. This planet, if reasonably managed, can actually handle many more people than are on it right now. It's not the planet's

fault. It's not necessarily you know, all these things that people want to argue about it is. Really it's like the old Sam Kinnison joke. You know, look, get out of the desert. That's not where the food is. Okay, I'm shortening it, I'm making it a lot nicer, but that's what the problem is, is that people are in the wrong spots and stuff is not distributed. If there was, you know, some way that things could be distributed without playing the various games of scarcity which are for

profit. Whether it's about water, it's about literal the basic food staples, it's about shelter, any of this stuff. There are plenty of resources to go around to sustain people. It's just that if we're going to argue over it and keep putting people in the wrong places and not distributing resources and creating natural solutions where resources are sustainable by the planet itself, then yeah, you've

got problems where there's too many people in particular places. But even if you take a look at the available land and what can be done with it and so on and so forth, there's plenty of space. There's plenty of space that we don't need to be compacted into these mega cities and the Agenda twenty thirty thing. We don't need to be forced to eat bugs and we don't need to be sitting here geting guilt tripped every time you decide you want to

eat a piece of meat. It's not necessary. You're not destroying the planet. It's the management of the resources and the distribution, well, is the problem. Yeah, go ahead. Not only that, it's too many different facts. I mean, granted, yes, there's a lot of place on the Earth that there aren't many people, but a lot of those places are conditions that a lot of people don't want to live in. You know, Siberia is not India population wise, because it's so damn hard to live there.

Yeah. The thing is the biggest problem is one. You've got the money aspect of it that vans fraught of and I see a lot of that here in this state based on I mean, this is an agriculture state. That's their number one industry, and they do a good job of doing the local sourcing deal. Our agg department has done a good job of promoting North Carolina products within the state. But that being said, the biggest problem you've

got is people just can't get along. Well there you go. People would love to move to other areas, but it's like, hey, you know, there goes the neighborhood, and now we got to start a problem. See, but people could learn to get along with each other, we'd have a lot less other problems. You'd have a lot less people bitching about things on the periphery, like your cow is parting too much. You know, if people were getting along and were able to share resources, you'd see a

big change in things. Well, it doesn't even have to be the Kumbaya sharing of resources. It's just a simple matter of distribution and stopping the artificial scarcity for profit because in reality, there's plenty of stuff that goes to waste all over the place because things are distributed according to the economics. It's not a matter of it doesn't only that you've got like our government, you know,

this whole ethanol thing that's been going on. You just jacked up the price of the number one commodity in most things, which is corn, by artificially inflating the use of ethanol, which doesn't meet any of the purposes that they trying to claim it will help us with. It doesn't help the you know, the environment, It doesn't help corn prices, which affects god knows how many other things. It doesn't help you know, your car. It

just it ruins the engine burning the stuff. But it's a government policy that's been put in place to help facilitate keeping the price of a major commodity up. Think of how much prices would drop if they did away with all these ethanol subsidies and we went back to using regular gasoline. Yeah. See, I wish you see a big change economically. Ethanol was the major problem. I asked the question all the time, and nobody wants to answer it.

What exactly happened here where corn becomes the commodity that is distributed. I mean, think about how many things have corn syrup in them? How many things have I mean, seriously, corn is like in everything. Why is this the case? This is not necessarily the natural order of stuff? I mean, you go from breakfast cereal to what's going in your gas tank, and corn is at the center of millions of things. I mean it's like,

well, I mean components of corn. It's a meal in itself. But yet when you start breaking it down between its oils and its ability to make alcohol, you know, there's like soybeans, yeah, but there's a lot of how wide soybeans are used in? How many products you have soy in? Now? See? But that's the thing is, at some point somebody pushed this into the system where it becomes a prevalent staple of thousands of products. You know what I'm saying. It's like it clearly that is not the

natural order of things. That was engineered. Now, I understand that the people that grow corn need to make a living one way or another, I get it, But I mean, seriously, at a certain point, though, you start asking a question like why is it in everything modern ingenuity and that goes that goes on worldwide. I mean, you have a product like corn or soybeans or you know, anything else, and the guys immediately, Okay, what can we do with this? Who was it? Was it?

George Washington Carver and the peanut look at how many uses you found for the peanut between oil and peanut butter. You know, that's just a natural mind. What can I do with this thing here that I have? Well, I can grow it and eat it, or I can break it down and ferment it, or I can grind it up and use it as ingredients in this that's just the ingenuity of man. I never to make up the

versatile products. But the reason that got so big in this country is because of the corn lobby pumping money into Washington to mandate that we spend money on ethanol, which is a fuel that uses more carbon to produce than the value you get from using it. Yeah, no kidding, but that's how ridiculous it's got. That's but that's my point is that there is I absolutely object to the idea that it's just simple ingenuity, and that this because there are

better ways to supplement fuel. There are better ways to supplement your sweeteners, there are better ways to add to the food supply cheaply and have things to be stored. Then to use corn. There are better ways, there are more diverse ways to do this. I mean again, you know hemp is one of those things that does grow. I'm not all in on the hemp for everything idea. However, hemp is very versatile. There are other things that are very versatile, and there's a lot of things that could be Trying

to get some products. In my industry, we use a lot of products that are and eight out of materials that come from overseas, core fibers and things of that nature. And I've been investigating trying to make products out of hemp here locally. And you have that government law that has taken marijuana and shoved it into a Class one scheduled drug. And that's why these companies won't

touch it until marijuana is legal on the federal level. They won't even talk about using hemp products because of the hassles involved and the permitting and the just the government overreached. You can produce things here locally and provide a lot of jobs for people, easy to pain, easy target jobs making products out of hemp, But until the Feds get it off the damn Schedule one list, we're screwed. Yeah, it's too easy a target hemp. I shouldn't have

brought it up because here's the thing. There is a whole variety of things that could be utilized much much better, more efficiently, et cetera, across the board. I mean seriously, seaweed is one of those things that was investigated. There's plenty of that when you go to you know, if we haven't destroyed the oceans yet, there's plenty of that available and people are not

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add in even out of order. So come on in and join us, and if you have more than one caller comes in, I'll put you on in the order that you called in. I think that's fair enough. So I was looking at the news vandal stuff this week and definitely love to catch what he does on a daily on to five days a week when he does the rundown. Of course, we know what's been dominating the news a lot lately, and I guess I'll get to a couple of things here really quickly.

You know, the race for house speaker. I'm seeing reports that Jim Jordan, even though he was offered up, they're trying to say that there was some bullying and intimidation behind the scenes, and blah blah, blah blah blah. Anyway, he's not your house speaker. We don't have a Speaker of the House at the moment. So there's that that's going on. Oh, Sidney Powell apparently pled guilty to her charges in the State of Georgia. I didn't even really break that one apart yet, But that's going on.

In the political news and such. We have the war based news that is happening in Israel and Palestine, and if you don't know that's happening. Welcome back to the daylight. You've just crawled out from under a rock, and I would like to know where your rock is because it's probably hitting pretty well. Anyways, there's that there are many other things going on in the world. Would love to hear from you about them, even if it's a local

story and whatnot. Of course, murder and mayhem continues to happen everywhere. Not everywhere all the time, but everywhere it happens. Let's see, I see in our chat room face Shifter says he wants to go to Landers and camp with Aaron. Cool enough. I get that. I did talk about what we're going to do in Dallas and all that coming up pretty soon. Also, I'm looking for my newsman wink care I know I had one.

Ah here it is okay, So the leads from today from the rundown at the news Vandal, just going to jump around through a couple of them, because, like I said, there's other things happening inside the psychiatric hospitals where foster kids are a gold mine. Bet you that gets your mind working out there. But it is true. There is the business of what it is you can get out of the government payments that come out of taking care of

the people that are vulnerable out there. Anyway, as a counterbalance, what's the next thing here? With end of federal program? Kansas students space skyrocketing, school meal debt Okay, culture wars on campus start to affect student choices for colleges. Gee, this is a lot of suburban issues. Let's skip down a little bit. Republicans change tu and on free speech over pro Palestine rallies, Palestinian rallies at colleges. Why we must resist the right wing attack

on free speech on Palestine, Ministry of Truth movement. Half of Biden voters say government should regulate or restrict offensive speech. I always love that, by the way, that you know, regardless of people saying that they're all for free speech, left and right seem to do this rather nicely on time when it comes up. If they really aggressively oppose something, they're always happy to post free speech for it, you know. But other times they're willing to

die for your pre speech until it cuts against their grain somehow. I always love that. Anyways, New York flouts quote order by demanding social media platform sensor users over Israeli Jimas war, who gets to decide what the truth is when social media is rife with misinformation? Tell you that was an interesting little look at things earlier this week when we had the hospital get destroyed in Palestine? Right? Or was that in Israel? Gee? Did anybody even care?

They were jumping right on the bandwagon to talk about what happened even before they knew what happened, which, by the way, is the overall symptom. And leads me into one last thing before I get back to be Pete and see what he's got to add to the conversation and the callers really fast, I ask you to consider something here, and I'm going to go over

that four hour discussion. I think I'm going to release it in a couple of parts as a podcast and ask questions that should have been asked of everybody on the show because to my mind and to the mind of a couple of independent people that I sent the recording to VP, that's I don't know why you're making a lot of noise on the mic? You okay, yeah, okay, Now, just all of a sudden it sounded like your mic was dragging around. Just I thought something went wrong, all right? Anyways,

back to where I was. I'll tell you this from the judgments that were sent back to me. It was interesting because I don't think there was anybody on that show that night that didn't either make a misstatement or wasn't simply repeating something that is effectively scripted. And I'm including myself in this, that wasn't effectively scripted by one side of an argument or another, almost like a completely

prescribed, prepackaged thing. Everybody on the show. I might pull Harlan out of that as maybe the one guy who I couldn't directly say was absolutely speaking from a scripted point of view, but everybody, including myself, was basically making misleading statements. I'm going to ask those questions and I'm going to go back over it and just say, Okay, what should we be asking here?

What should be getting heard here or there? It was a terrible job by everybody speaking on that show if anybody was looking to inform anybody, That's the way that I see it. And maybe you guys will disagree, maybe you guys will agree, maybe we'll all come to a different consensus about what it is we're hearing. But I think I'm going to go back over it. I might even invite a guest to go back over with me and see what their impressions are. But I doubt anybody else is going to want to

sit through that four hours with me. And also I'm going to break it up so it's not just a four hour you know, foill, It would be probably about five and a half hours with commentary or questions being asked in between different things. There was a lot of weird tactical things going on during

that conversation, and it was a mess. I don't like releasing it as a podcast for that reason, but I might just to ask the questions that I think are not getting asked, because I think in our daily lives, each person on that show represents somebody or a particular faction that you could easily encounter if you attempt to have the discussion. But what are the critical things that should be asked, that should be questioned throughout everybody's statements during that show.

I might do that. I'm considering it. You guys, let me know infoodochelli dot com, email me there, or send me on one of the social media as a message and let me know if that's even worthy of your time. Would you want to hear the podcast. Actually, you know, it's a lot of very typical statements, and I'm really disappointed in myself over a couple of things. I'm disappointed in a few other things that were

said. I don't want to judge it, though, I want to just put out Look, here's the questions that are not being asked, and here's what you could have heard anywhere else. There was nothing unique coming out of that show. I don't think it was productive at all. Might have made some of us feel better that we were able to vent or discuss this very frustrating and ugly topic for a bit, but that's honestly how I feel about that last four hour show. Was not productive or informative. But maybe we

go over it, or maybe we go over part of it. Like I said, I want to hear what you guys think. Is it worth our time to go through it or should I just release it uncut? You guys tell me, and that's how that podcast will come out from last Friday. Okay, I think that's a fair enough offer. If you listen to these Friday night discussions, tell me if you want to hear four hours a very very typical banter over the Israeli slash Palestinian issue and the IDF versus Hamas issue,

and back to that thing really quickly. On the hospital. I'm not sure I buy anybody's story. And by the way, if you honestly think that anybody's defense forces or anybody's militarized element of any organization is going to tell you the truth in the midst of a conflict, I don't know what to say to you. I mean, I wish I could live in a world where that's the way it worked, but it doesn't. And I don't think anybody's completely honest. It is strategically bad to be completely honest. And there

you go. So there's that. But anyway, it turns out that this missile that struck that hospital, which was a Baptist hospital, I think, you know, might have been fired by Islami jihad. Maybe the Israelis are telling the truth, maybe not. If they weren't, it doesn't matter anyway. What at Al Jazeera broadcast very interesting to break that all down and to watch the reactions that emerge, not just on social media and people being keyboard

commandos, but people take into the streets. This is a highly volatile issue. And I say, as with any militarized conflict of any sort or any action where violence is in play and is ongoing, guess what happens. You won't be able to sort it out in real time no matter what, even if you're monitoring it by a video and you think you have the best sources. I gotta tell you that's the way I see it. It is impossible to sort out a lot of what the truth is, a lot of what

the responsibility is. I mean, even with today's announcements of released hostages, right, there are some Americans that were supposedly released that were hostages. Is that even the truth? Who would not use that in the midst of this conflict for the purposes of propaganda, for the purposes of scoring political points Hamas, You know the argument HAMAS wants to seem like a humanitarian organization. Well, I'm sure that would be a lot better than me being called terrorists.

So if they can twist the narrative to their direction, sure of course they will. And the Israelis don't want to come off as yeah, we just sorry it happens, we have to bomb women and children. Nobody wants to do these things, so obviously they're gonna give you different spins. Are you gonna get the reality of it right away? No, The first thing you're gonna get is the media's order of the day, which we know what that is in general terms. At this moment, we know exactly what the unified

opinion is supposed to be. Is it really the truth? That is yet another issue? Is it further away from the truth only because they're underreporting certain things that may be true as well? If you think you're getting an honest snapshot, an honest evaluation of any of this stuff as it's happening, telling you, I want to know what your source because I don't think it's possible

to get it from a distance at all. And even if you are on the ground there and trying to keep you know, your head from getting blown off, et cetera, I still think your perspective would not be accurate. This is going to take after action examinations and a lot of things that cannot be known in the midst of a circumstance like that. Anyway, That's why

I think it's interesting to break down that show. But again, info at ochelly dot com, email me there and tell me if you think that podcast should be released, you know, I'll release it in a couple of parts four hours as is, or if you want the commentary, the questions we should be asking, and the things where you know, like, look, that's clearly sort of a pre programmed response that is being put out there by the speaker, sometimes even me. Anyway, I think Harlan I would have

to leave out of that. But he's on the line now, and hopefully some other people will be. But we do have Harlan Advance on the line, and I want to give be Pede a chance to say something here. But also I want to get back to the call. So three one nine five two seven five zero one six, join us and be heard about anything you want. Let's be open about it. Whatever you think is important to get to the condition on planet Earth, or the things in the news,

or current events if they are actually current. Hell, you want to discuss some history, we can do that too. I enjoyed my conversation about FDR earlier in the week, and uh, you know, interesting thought that when it comes to civil rights issues and freedom of speech, that Professor Bato thinks

that FDR may indeed be worse than Woodrow Wilson that's a tall order. And Woodrow Wilson would be a president from New Jersey who was also a corrupt and you know, one of the worst presidents in history is FDR one of the worst presidents in history if you ask the general American pri you know, just random American not not necessarily if they have any idea who the hell he even

is anymore. Anyway, enough of that, be Pete. Anything you want to throw in before I go back to the call, Well, yeah, I'm just I don't know, a little confused on your on your comments about last week's show and that. I mean, if if everybody was speaking from a prepackaged opinion, then there's really no point in discussing anything. There is no truth using your description. No matter who you listen to, there's always

an agenda in there. So I mean, what's the point of discussing anything if we can't get to what the discussion, what the brass tacks are? I mean, yeah, there was a lot of stuff said in four hours last week. I don't think anybody was as a group, was, you know, to be faulted for speaking a prepackaged opinion on that. I really find I'm on here to get my opinion, give whatever facts I can and

put a discussion in context. But I mean, if it's no better than the end result the way you described it, then you know what's the point? Well, look, if you're going to think out loud and you have come to conclusions on your own, that's one thing. But when it's clearly not something where you consider anything else outside of certain things, it's another. You know what I mean, Like, if you wanted to just hear the

absolutely scripted stuff, well we don't need to do that. I mean, you guys can that's fully within your right if you think that is fully your own opinion. But I gotta tell you, when I'm hearing that, it's like, well there's no way to consider anything else. That to me needs to be pointed out where it's like, look, there's no consideration of anything else. This is one of those topics where here we go, that's where

it goes. I mean, don't you think that there should be some thought incumbent upon somebody before they state that this is their absolute position about these anything? Really? I mean? Or should they just Okay, I found an authority that gives me a story, and that should be the one that I relate. I mean that to me seems to be a different process from somebody

thinking on their own being an independent minded person. What do you think about that, Well, it depends on the values that you put into things. I mean, you can take any topic of discussion and have an opinion based on things that you've read or learned in the past, and you can learn something new which might change your opinion. But it doesn't necessarily mean that somebody has found some scripted narrative that they're going to stick to because that's the one

that fits their personal bias closest. There were a lot of positions stated by people last week that yeah, they took things into consideration. The problem is is when you take things into consideration the value that you give them. And if I have five sources of information and I discount two of them because I consider the source or consider the agenda behind the source, you know, that's my personal decision as to which ones I put a give importance to, which

ones I put to the top of the list. Sure, and that's any individual is going to do that. Sure, And what you're hearing is a discussion of individuals that have made their own decisions based off giving certain emphasis to certain criteria over others. I mean, that's the whole process any kind of discussion on any subject, right, but from cal Farts to the Middle East. Now, fair enough. But the thing is, if you limit what

it is that you're even okay, Like, I'll give you this. There was a point at which you and I were having this discussion about whether an area is occupied or not. Right, a territory is an occupied territory. Well, it depends on your definition, okay, But here's the thing I can tell you. Look, I've got fifteen sources that a lot of people would find to be reputable and would be these people that are you know, publicly as far as we know, studying these things and keeping a watch on

the way certain world events uncovered themselves, so on and so forth. And you can just say, well, that's just not true, that's it all right, Well I want to point that out, that that's what's going on here. It's like, if that's the way, it is, fine. And I was even saying to you, yeah, they say they turned over the Gaza strip to them, and in a way they did. But when you take a look at the way certain things were done and the continuous action

that's occurred across this area that we call Palestine. Are they really being governed by anything at this point outside of the outside agitation and another political group which is clearly again outside agitation, because it's not the people there that are funding say Hamas, right, I mean, they're clearly not in a position to fund Hamas. They clearly must have a lot of funding because the rockets seem to be unending, the amount of rockets they're able to get in there.

And it's strange because they've got a closed up border Egypt. They've got you know, a blockade over the ocean, you know, the ocean entrance to the land. The other border is Israel, so Israel, i know,

utilizes various things to control that border. So you've got an area that's locked up pretty tight should be, and that has to have an effect on exactly how much self determination those people have, So whether it's occupied or not, and whether there was a strip of land here claimed or strip of land there claimed, and then that's no longer their land, so therefore we're not occupying

it. It's just ours that's occurred over time too, right, well, true, true, But in that respect, I mean, if you want to talk about, let's talk, you know, specifically about Goza, because that was your example. Yeah, you know, after the nineteen forty eight war, that area was actually occupied. It was occupied by Egypt. The West Bank was occupied by Jordan, and those areas were eventually given from those entities. See, we don't talk about that occupation. When Egypt gave the

area back to Israel, the occupation was over. It's a second occupation that we're claiming now, which is since two thousand and five, has not been an occupation. It's an autonomous region that's allowed to govern itself and they elected Omas and now they're reaping the rewards from that effort. The West Bank, you've got the same thing. You've got the Palestindian Authority that's over the West Bank areas that have been deemed their areas to control, and they run the

show. Supposed to be. When we're talking about occupation, let's talk when you want to talk to the original occupation or when it was let go and given back to Israel, which was the area designated to be given as the Jewish homeland. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Any aspect of this that we discussed and you have to keep going back to the before that. Well book up before that, butook book before that, and eventually we're back when they invented dirt. No, of course, that's that's why that that's

a problematic thing to do. What I'm trying to say is if you take a look at the circumstances, now, what led to those circumstances, what preceded that, And if you take a look at, you know, the previous ten years or so, that gives you an idea. And yeah, it's supposed to have been handed back in two thousand and five, but what did that actually entail? What did that actually mean? Not just oh okay, it was given back to them. What went on there? Because this

to me is not they were just a fully autonomous area. They were not able to be They didn't have freedom of movement, They didn't have the ability to do a lot of things. And they had freedom of a movement anywhere within their area. Well, I mean, they had their own government,

they elected their own government. And then when they had the initial setup of the government was in one direction than they had open elections and Hamas won and then Hamas turned around within the next year and forced out the Palestinian authority and told the Palestinian authority, we rule Gaza. We represent Palestinians all throughout this

area. You guys are irrelevant. So because of internal fighting amongst the Palestinian organizations, you end up with the Palestinian Authority over the West Bank and Hamas is running Gaza. Well, that's what happened. Didn't happen in a vacuum though, Okay, That's that's my point about it, is that you got outside agitation here from various directions. I'm not pointing all of it at Israel,

even I'm saying that there's outside agitation using this area. And at the end of the day, you still have a whole lot of people that I guarantee don't want any part of this, that are going to be caught up in it. It's just like you know, okay, they sent them to a safe area. And that's why I made and that's why I made the comment that you know, we were talking about right to this. If Israel did not exist the way it was, you would simply have infighting among different

Arab factions from Syria all the way down to Saudi Arabia. That's the way it was. When the automans oversaw it. I mean, it's been a constant area of battle since it was created, right, So I'm going to get back to the callers. Like I said, I invite you guys to come on in and you know, do send me your comments about what you think should be done with that four hour podcast, what I should do with it, and that's that's where I'm proceeding with it. So you guys let

me know if I should just put it out. I'll put it out, but I don't feel good about it. It does not seem to have been a productive thing. And I'm clearly hearing a whole lot of stuff, and stuff was pointed out to me where it's like, yeah, there's no discussion on this, it's just this is the way this is. And I'm like,

okay, well, yeah, I get it. And they presented to me a few other things, and I'm not saying I agree with their point of view because one person was clearly, you know, all about everybody's innocent on the anybody who's opposed to Israel is basically innocent, which is not a valid point of view in my mind. Here's a suggestion, Yeah, here's a suggestion. Bring the podcast back, and we can do this on a

series of fridays. Bring the podcast back, we can play the clips from it, and you can have the people who are criticizing this and critiquing this on to defend their positions against the individuals who were involved in that podcast. And I think that would be great entertainment. There you go, there's a perfect idea. Open and let me know. I agree with B Pete's idea. That's all you have to send to me. How about it's only going

to work. It's only going to work if those people that contacted you or who heard this and want to give you their critique are willing to stand up and verbally express their ideas as well. I mean, it's one thing to sit back and write an email to somebody. Oh I listened to this and I didn't agree with this. This guy was one sided and this guy was completely irrelevant and blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, put up or shut up. Yeah, I mean that's been my whole point about the call in

show from the beginning. You got to complaint. Bring it on air. Oh, I know, the only way we're going to get a settled. But see This isn't about a debate though. This is about pointing out this is just factually wrong. And you know, and this part is factually wrong. And even the clip that I played from Oh what's that guy's name? I forget his name, but the guy who's a brilliant scientist but has his

point of view on Israel, that clip's played from Vance. You know, again, they were just saying, look, here's a fact that just makes this wrong. Uh, it's not a matter of here's the premise that is wrong with this person's thing. They're saying, and nobody's telling I'll go ahead and put it out there. If somebody's got a problem with anything I've said at being factually wrong, let them come and explain it to me and we'll see if I'm right or not. Not no problem, then my statements against

anybody, no problem. But I mean just saying this is where you know, factually there should have been some opposition offered here, and there wasn't, So I get it. But nobody offered opposition because basically it was you know, there was no opposition offered. I'll just leave it at that. But the thing is that would there be other things to consider here? Where there were factual misstatements about the premises. Yeah, probably, and I think that

happens all the time. But anyway, but there you have it, So be Pete's idea. Sure, have somebody come on and sit there and address each piece of it, Okay, And we could do it in a series. Obviously, we would plan that series for after November, and I'd like to have it planned out so that it actually gets done. Hell, I'll add an extra hour to the show if you want. We could do it for an hour and then go on to the regular show or the other way

around, do it at the end something like that. I'm willing to, you know, I'm willing to mess with the format to get it done. But I think it's an interesting thing to do. And I didn't feel good about that show at all, with the way it went all. But anyway, by all means join into this one, and I want to get back around. So let's see who was first. It was Harlan first, right, sure? Yes? Three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six. By the way, Harlan got you back around, I'm

sure you heard a lot of things. Got no idea where you're at, And hopefully you didn't go to uh what the uh the waffle house in between? So how you doing that? There's no waffle house, Ray Conda. Ah, Okay, didn't know you were in Colorado. But I want a jab in real quick. First of all, since they mentioned the bat North Carolina and their agriculture, I'm actually just a real big slash Christie from North Carolina. Real quick farms that's pretty good. And the state guys, I

would say it is a new Vampshire. That's well. Guard goes. Okay, they've been all on the stasion up. We're out for years. You know, it's been a gammicks down in Texas far back to that, remember it. I ain't never gonna have list right. A few years back, I was a guest on the Republic of Texas radio show, actually, uh, discussing the topic. I have no idea why the hell they brought me

to do it, but uh, but there it was. And then they then they had me back to discuss the JFK stuff, which I'm like, well, at least I know a lot more about that, thanks, But yeah, they just invited me on. I was on one of those shows years ago. I probably could dig it out of the archives and re release it. Anyways, what else on your mind? Are they? Well,

I had, uh one quick thing about the Texas succession. I've actually thought about buying, you know, back in the day years ago, just buying you know, chunk of but cheap property out well, back when he was cheap out in the West Texas s deansre Way, just in case, you know, I might give you citizenship, you know what I mean. But uh, but you know, there again, you know, we could do a whole show on that sometimes, especially if Fast wanting to. But there

again, you know, I've heard it talk. Let's let's see it walk. I mean, I said a few things that that's gonna stop it momentarily, know basically, but I think it over go anywhere. Uh as far as I'm gonna kind of go down the list here what I remember, uh far as Jesse Vancier. You know, I'm I'm not gonna shit on Jesse and I'm not gonna you know, throw him under the bus or anything. But you know, he's he's just trying to get some attention. You know,

he's you know, part of the new show. He swapped his gimmick couple a little bit. I've watched a lot of stuff over the years, and you know, I like, you know, he'll he'll get a little

slideways here and there. But as Jim Jordan goes, well, you know, and a lot of these other people was pushing Kevin McCarthy, you know, back at first of the year and right after the mid terms, you know, and even before you had everybody that was sick of McCarthy that you know, let's go another direction when you know, before everybody got rallied back around the chosen one, when they started charging him about all these crimes and that in which you know I've said when I said, again, I can't

stand him. But most of it looks like alfare to me, not all of it. But anyway, you know, it just is what it is. And that's the reason why you know, you may say, you know conservatives, you know Connors in their name, because you know it's the same old shits. I mean, I don't know if this is some kind of seniority deal or you know, or whatever, but I'm won't try to keep it clean. But you know who MyD have done whatever kind of favors for.

I mean, I don't understand, I mean, how in the hell does he represents so called Red state of America even you know this this fake Red State of America, the propaganda red state were but I ain't even been keeping up with it because is it gonna matter? And then Jim Jordan on top of it, you know, he makes some good sound bites, but there again, listen to the previous five minutes and you know, the four or five minutes after those sound bites, go looking at other things that he

says, and he's done and stuff he felled. I mean, I'm not really impressed by him, you know. I mean he probably wouldn't be impressed to me, but I mean, just that squeaky ass, you know, hateful, you know, powa hungry bullshit. He goes on with that, just don't doesn't trip my trigger and then whatever comes out here. Did you watch any of the committee hearings that he was the chair chair over regarding the Judiciary Committee recently. I saw just a few less than thirty seconds here and

there, because there again, you know, show me something. All that we see is you know, they'll get up, you know, and they get everybody flowered up. And now I want to go out here, and I'm like the best examples I can excuse. It's like all this Johnny Come Lately about in the atl and you know in this in that you know, defund FBI, blah blah blah, bullshit, it's not going to happen. You know, that is just bullshit. That's just them basically just gasl like

just tease me. That is total bullshit. You know, you couldn't even get Republicans that do so. I'm f it's arm brass gimmick. When they had full control of all three branches of the governments, full control, and you couldn't even get them to say, oh yeah, yeah, they've been millions of the sold you know, I'm glad I never bought one. But I mean, who can really sit back and really believe in this stuff. I saw an article other they didn't read all of it, but the headline

was how the Republican Party was in runs. I can't disagree with that because I've said that for at least three and a half four years. I mean, it's like you've got the left, which is the Republicans, and you've got the hard left, which you know is most immigrants and three quarters of

the so called GOP. I mean, it's just I don't know how to say it any other way, is just sitting here to seeing people just bullshit drifting boat Grifton, you know, donations and I think there's well meaning people that has some principles, but I don't think they're going to get that burn in front of me. It seems to me like the people that get attention. I mean, maybe it's just me and maybe it's just you two, the people that are really getting any attention, or just those that are making

sound bites, uh and and and fundraising. I mean, that's that's who's winning when it comes to politics in general at this point, whether it's the GOP or it's the DNC. Uh. If you're able to make the sound bites and you're able to fundraise, you get to win. Some weird thing, though, is that you would have thought that Jordan might have as sended to the speaker chair, but he had what twenty against him in the first vote, and I think they've tried what is the two or three times?

How many times has Jordan tried BPG? Are you do you remember? Is the two or three they had? They had the third vote today and he lost my twenty five shorts. So We started out twenty and then the next vote it was twenty two or twenty one, and then this one was twenty

five that didn't vote for him. See I almost wonder this one, Harlan, if somebody really had balls on the on the you know, Republican side, they would switch their vote in public to Jeffries and be like, you know what, you don't knock it off, you don't get your your crap together here and give us a real, you know, a real workable situation.

We'll just go ahead and give that speakership to the Democrats temporarily, you know, like just threaten them with it, not necessarily do it, but threaten him with it, like two or three of those guys when he's twenty five short and Jeffries is, you know, also short, two or three

votes strategically handed over to the Democrats. That would make brand new headlines for some of these guys whose names have gotten forgotten, and they might be able to get out there and make a point about this, Oh why did you switch sides and go to the other side of the aisle, And literally they could come out and say, because our side is so dysfunctional, we have

to have something functional even if I don't agree with it. I mean, that would has been the problem with Republicans, You can't They never have a plan. Look at Obamacare, all right, Obamacare got approved, they waited it out. They kept saying repealing and replace, repealing and plate and replace. But the one time that they actually had the ability to vote down Obamacare, what happened. That's when McCain walked in and gave the thumbs up signal,

you know, as if he was Julius Caesar. And when they asked him why he voted for to keep Obamacare, what was his response? Well, if you're going to repeal and replace, you got to replace it with something. And they didn't have a plan. Republicans went how many years without a plan to replace Obamacare? But yet that was the big number one thing. We got to get rid of this in the economy. It controls a

certain percentage of everybody's wealth. We've got to do away with it, but didn't have anything to replace it. Well, now they're in that same situation. You had what eight members decided to vote out McCarthy because they felt like McCarthy lied to them. That's one of the things that I heard attributed to Gates. You know, he said he was going to have these budgets up

here, these spending bills, ready to be voted on. The thing that Gabs didn't tell you was is they couldn't get the spending bills out of committee, right, and if it doesn't come out of committee, you can't put it on the floor to vote. But that's something that you didn't hear out there. It's just Gates up there running his mouth. So you had eight Republicans decide to pull the rugout from Honor McCarthy for basically for personal reasons.

It was a bunch of personal vendettas that has been going on in Simmering for a couple of years. Well, now there's the problem. You voted to get rid of them. Now, how are you going to vote to get somebody in? It took fifteen ballots to get him accepted. What are you going to do now? And that's been the problem with the Republicans since back in the fifties. They don't have a damn plan for anything. I guess the last good plan on the Republicans is when Nixon took the South when he

ran for election. Yeah, fair enough. Other than that, they haven't had a plan since then for anything. See, but that's been the case. Dysfunctional now exactly, that's the consistent problem. And I tried to have this discussion with somebody earlier and they didn't understand it. And I said, here's the problem. Okay, fine, you want to take this out. You want to get rid of this guy, you want to get rid of Obamacare. Okay, fine, what do you have to put in its place?

That ridiculous thing that they offered? Right? Remember that whole Oh we have a plan, it's great. It was nothing. See, here's the thing. We want to get rid of the speaker. We don't have a plan to go forward after that. We're just going to take stuff down and score points. And that's what's going on, and telling you it works the other way too. It's just that they're not in power at the moment when

it comes to the House. They're just not so they can know. Because when they were in power, they had someone like Mitch McConnell on the Republican side that would bend over backwards and kiss their butt. They didn't need to have a plan. They knew they could get the mcconnald to fold. That's you got to. As much as I hate a Democrat, and I'm sorry, I think that they're playing on the world, but you got to give them credit. When they come up with a way of doing something, they

stick together. There is unity there. The Republicans have been disjointed since what the early sixties after Nixon, they fell apart. Nobody could come up, nobody could agree on anything, and these moderate Republicans and that's why I'm I don't. I've never considered myself a Republican. I've never you know, I've never followed along with their ideology because it's too what's a moderate Republican. A moderate Republican is a liberal. It's funny because they're so screwed up now within

their party. There's no conservatives left in the Republican Party. It's a missmansh of mediocre, middle of the road people with no clue and can't come up with an independent thought and get anybody to get behind them and convince people that it might be a good way to do it. What I feel ridiculous. What I find really bizarre about what you just said and your opinion is that I see the circular firing squad every time the Democrats get an opportunity to actually

accomplish something. They go after each other. I don't see unification. Yes they do, but in the long run, when it comes to them versus the other side, they coalesce. Now they yeah, they shoot each other in the foot, left and right, but at the end of the day, they all stand there with they're wounded feet, with their arms around each other's shoulders saying, okay, send the next Republican all over. You know. See it's funny. It's like a case of Red Rover. They keep

a team, work together. You got to give the Democrats credit for that. They do work as a team. See what's hilarious. I don't give them credit for that, because what's hilarious to me is that I see it exactly the opposite. Usually, the Republicans stick together, but they don't ever have what comes next. They stick together just fine. They will stick together for stuff regardless of what's going on. They don't shoot each other in the

foot usually, but they never have a plan for what's next. This to me is the first time that I'm really saying that they break it down like this and are doing a Democrat dance where it's like we're just going to become completely unproductive. We're gonna get zero done now, you know, Well, like you got to look at it this way. When they're not getting anything done in Congress, your pocketbook is much better off. Okay, But anyway, Harlan, you just heard us go back and forth. What do you

got to say to that? Before I go to vance and check the lines again, I've got plenty to say. Sure, go ahead. First of all, I agree, okay, they that they never have a plan a lot, and that's because they're not looking for it. Uh, you agree with both of us very well, Yeah, you agree with both of us. You agree with both of us in that case, because that's one thing him and I agree on. They don't have a plan for what's next.

They never do that. That's that's been the case now for at least twenty five years, I think since uh, since Gingritz was out of the equation. Right. They they basically don't have what's next. They they have what they want to do right now. But yeah, go ahead, Well what it is? They a plan, but they don't have a plan like what they peace? Okay, the plan is and you know I've been I've been a live long enough now that you know alone looking back, you know years

in the past. The plan is is the griff monty, Uh, that's the plan. Okay, and you know, I'll they respect they paying you and everybody else listening if you cannot say how fixed that the majority of this is You're not going to see it in five more years. You're not going

to see it in ten because they've been too many times. It's like go back to twenty eighteen, okay, okay, when they took a bath during the midtim you know, back you know, after you know, everybody had had, you know about a year of trust to plan for their chest and it was obvious that you know, Trump was bullshit and he wasn't even done nothing but the fur run in his mouth. They still had from election day

on end of January. They could have went to chamlenge stuff through like this voter frut Stappit's just like the deal with the We've talked about this before a couple of months ago. Back to Obamacare. They voted seventy two times to repeal and kill Obamacare when Obama's present. As soon as Trump gets their kill,

ain't even his plumb out of its repeal and replace. And now you've still got some that's I hear grifting and trading and electioneering about how they're one of you know, now the election seas are starting for up some of these senators of this stuff saying, oh yeah, we're going to repeal Obamacare. The Supreme Court that everybody brags up. I wish Jimmy James was here because I don't want to talk about him. You know, he ain't here to

defend this up. With Jimmy James and the Supreme Court. You know that Trump upon it seven to three or excuse me, seven to two. You had two Republicans on the Supreme Court ode against the individual mandate and you had four go with the three lift. So, you know, the Obamacare situation, and especially since you know that there's more than one person. I hear

at a saplus business that's act. I don't know. I think you know what's what talking about that because it's overwhel I mean, how could you ever when you've had, you know, the first go around with John Roberts say it was you know, kosher, and then you come back to you know here just in twenty twenty one, they said it was kosher again for the Supreme Court and it's it's great and it's grand and blah blah blah. How

do you go over here? But really, the only thing else I've really got to add in there I've got, you know, I hope that you know, yes, that they are some well meaning they might not be his hardcore's luck a lot of people you don't want them to, but you know, well meaning people just can't grab any tracks. But I'm telling you, you know, here again, where is this red steak? You told me?

Where's just the basics? You know. I mean, I've heard this ship all of my life, and it looks like to me that you know, the survey says, it's just a damn life. You know, we need more republic standing over here. A p lettering is saying that, you know, it's something here reading at the baw results and they're going to be negative. It's not positive, you know. I mean, there you go. That's why I look at it. And it's just like I said,

I want to say one more thing, I shouldn't. It's just like I said, if you must go on this ship, my opinion, there's a certain section of people on the right, Republicans or whatever, just going again. Democrats you know, in general, but not somebody you know that's Democrats just got too wild or they just wanted to come over and play Republican,

you know for a while. Okay, you've got those folks, but you've got a hardcore section of people now that are just like the snowflex on the left that they don't want to hear nothing but whatever conserved you mean, you

know where the maga folks. You know, think there's a hardcore six of those in America that I just don't think we're gonna be able to outlive unless Trump loses this next election and everybody has a big boohoo and a cry and finally, you know, sobers up like you know, of course he was after the mid terms. I don't say war the hell this is going to you know what I'm saying ought to you guys now, I hear you. I'm gonna put you back on hold so we can get back around advance.

But I still have in my back pocket at the moment, despite the fact that Sidney Palll just pled guilty, which we didn't even get to that story tonight. Maybe we'll try and touch it real quick before we go. But I mean, the more they charge him and everything else. The more I see him winning in twenty twenty four and they're sticking with him, So I got to say, there seems to be a unification there. They've all decided

to get around them. I went from oh, my god, we can't believe that this guy is in our midst to well, we absolutely support President Trump. I don't know what to say about that conversion because nobody questions it. It seems like to me, but eh, again, my worldview is weird. Anyway, what do you think, be Pete, you want me

to get around Advance? I mean, because we're heading toward just about the two hour mark, and I mean, unless we get some more callers or something else happening here, I think I might close it out pretty soon, just so I can get out of the position I'm in because my back is screwed up bad. But other than that, what do you think? Yeah, go ahead and bring Vance on. I'm curious to see what he thinks

about it. Well, see Vance, typical Advance. I would think he would say, well, this is a good reason as to why it is. You know, just all this crap all needs to go, is what I'm thinking. But Map I don't want to speak for you advance anything you want to comment on. Well, yes, I resemble that remark, and you know that's that's been my opinion for a long time. And well let me just first start off real quick without getting into a new bad tribe.

But on the Palestine Stindy and thing and the show and all that out, I'll be the first tell you, and I should just start off any time I start. You know, given my opinion that you know, I may be wrong. You know I'm not as well studied on, you know, all the ins and outs of the history as dpts certainly, and you know most of my opinions are based, you know, basically on my own moral

code and what resonates you know. Yet, like I said, I don't give authority over the empires that established all these rules and created these states in this way and that way. And you know there's you know, in my opinion, you know, motives for all that stuff. You know that you know we you know, do and don't know about and et cetera. So you know, I'd be interested to see where I'm wrong. And I admit I'm not an expert on doctor Gebe Matte or any kind of criticisms of his

opinions or whatever. And very rarely do I agree one hundred percent with you know, anybody on anything. So I'll just put that caveat out there and and and then get back around to the government thing that you know that that's it's just a WWE with suits and weapons of mass destruction, okay, you know in the New World Order is just the old World Order with you know,

better technology and mind control. You know, so you know, the there's you know, we may be able to, you know, if we can push back on just like I'm saying, all this agenda twenty one and twenty you know, however far it goes back and all those you know, Davos and you know, all those things, they're you know, they're on

record. It's not a conspiracy that there's a group of people behind the shadows that are that are that even because they're not in the shadows shadow then you think they're not you follow what I'm saying, you know, but but they're on records saying you know that you know, they want to institute this type

of control. So you know we can push back you know, here and there and stand up, I mean, the right before all this stuff in Israel that there's demonstrations going on for like nine months or whatever about netting Yahoo,

changing the government and trying to you know, push stuff through. And then now they you know, they have an attack and now they get to go to national emergency status just like after nine to eleven here and he just you know, now he's you know, he's pushing any anything through any way he wants to at this point because they've controlled that you know, state of emergency that we've been under, and you know, they'll just stay under forever.

Also, so you know, there's there's no voting our way out of that. We need to vote our way into getting back to the actual principles that are supposed to be, you know, protecting our freedoms and instead of you know, being able to manipulate the commodities and you know, all the human resources on the planet Earth for a select group of people that you know, apparently are too disjointed and not intelligent enough to lead us to a better

solution. Because the world's a better place, the worst place now than it was when I was a kid growing up in the sixties and seventies, and and you know, so whatever they're doing at work, and so I'm willing

to try anything at least twice fair enough. Random thing I want to throw in here, which I found funny is that somebody pointed out to me recently that the Rothschilds have a YouTube channel where they show you, like, you know, the opulence of their lifestyle and what their you know, collective wealth, their generational wealth has built up for them. I found that interesting that there's like a YouTube channel with like, I don't know, twenty seven thousand

subscribers or something. It's not even a huge one, but it's like, hey, you want to see what Christmas looks like among really rich people? Yeah, they do that on YouTube. I found that interesting that that is something that exists and people actually still admire royalty and the decrees thereof, and those that were not necessarily sitting on thrones but have control over various aspects of

existing institutions. It's fascinating. I mean, just as fascinating as when they've rome Yeah go ahead, let me is throwing one little, you know, clever comment. You know, I have a good I don't know why they didn't think about this long time ago, but you know, in order to settle the you know, Israel Palestinian conflict. You know, maybe they should give them some you know, casinos and liquor stores. You know, that would probably calm everything down right way. Uh, you know, I've seen

that. I've seen that comment. It's but no, no, but it's it's, uh, yeah, I get where you're going with it, and I see what you're saying. But I mean, really, it's like it's like the Vatican channel, you know, the Vatican Channel, the Rothschild's channel.

You know, you can take a look at what has generationally been collected and who it is that really profits at the end of all of this, whether it's you know, just the bloodshed of the last seventy five years, or it's you know, what's gone on for the past couple hundred you know, in the case of how long this country's existed, or it's many, many centuries, right, there are groups of individuals that have collected wealth over

time because they they understand the system that most of us are not invited to play in anyway. So there's that to consider all together. Anyways, I'm gonna put you back on hold and maybe we'll do a little chaos thing at the end unless somebody else wants to join in here at the tail end of the conversation three one nine five two seven five zero one six. If not, maybe I'll just open the phone lines up and let you guys talk to each other for a little bit, see what comes to that, and then

close it up out be Pete. Anything you got on your mind. No, I was just scanning some headlines from around the world, and I mean, it's it's amazing how chaotic everything has actually become. I was reading a stroy here wherein or was it Venezuela? The central bank has raised their interest rates to one hundred and thirty three percent. One hundred and thirty three percent. What the hell? I mean, how can that country even function?

Now? Is that? Oh? Excuse me for being ignorant, But does that mean if I put money into a Venezuelan bank account like that would be the interest rate I could collect? Or is that what they're doing regarding loans and things? Now? Now that's the central bank loans. I mean they're interest rate on loans from the Central Bank of Venezuela now up to one hundred

and thirty three percent. I mean, you're looking at rates right, pretty much in effect before Jeremy and each finances collapsed where it takes you know, a wheelbar full of money to buil over bread. So this is violent. This is Wymar Republic type moves here. So we're looking at a collapsing economic situation in Venezuela, which you know it has to come into play. It's going to cause Oh I wonder if it's going to cause a bunch of people

to flee that country if they can. I wonder if that's going to happen. And one wonders where this idea came from and why this is necessary. I wonder how that happened. But yeah, go ahead, what else are you seeing for chaos? Chaos? You know? Next next headline that caught my eye was Biden caught lying in Israel. My son Boat was killed in Iraq. What I want somebody in major media to go through and count all the time to Joe Biden has reference his dead son and how many different ways

he died? Does this this? I don't know what is wrong with Biden, whether it's a phasia or whether it's Alzheimer's, or whether it's just it's a severe case of dumbass that has multiplied over the years, nobody, nobody in the history of American politics has gotten away with the amount of bull crap spouted more than Joe Biden. I do not understand this at all. Anybody else this would be a lie here. It's just well, just old Joe. Well look, his son died of what glioblastoma. It can't at the

age of forty two. But according to him, he died in Iraq, he died in the Middle East, he died in the Afghanistan War. This is this is I don't you know. We get the we get the government we elect, and we have elected one hell of a government that's in place right now. We deserve what we get. I hate to say it.

Well, you don't think that that in some way, this is a logical response to the bs that we got from Trump for four years where you know, I mean, you know Washington was involved in airports and a minute. Though. The thing is, when Trump's founded bullshit, you had every major media out there, media outlet reminding you of it. Okay, yeah, true right, we don't hear anything in regards to these things about from from

Biden, and Biden has really come up with some whoppers. Yeah, but see outside of media response, nobody's going to do anything about it either, because it's sort of like, yeah, okay, that's just the way this guy is, and they want to make a stay about anything about it. He's been elected. We can't get rid of him, how can? I mean the only other ways in the past have been able to get rid of

the president is to shoot him in Dallas. Well, well no, you could actually if somebody were to make a logical argument and say that he needs to be removed because he's you know, incapacitated, that would make sense, wouldn't it. I mean, we have a mechanism. No, see, because the Democrats blew that load early as soon as Trump got in the twenty fith amendment says, you know, he's not capable of carrying out his duties. We can get rid of them. We can get rid of them because

the man is just not mentally We heard that. Yeah, Trump goes and takes a cognitive test and pass it with flying colors. So now to bring it up, it's just rehashing something that you know, was a stupid idea six years ago. Yeah, but see, there's no point forget that. But there's my point is the fact that we've already been through this. You don't think that that's some sort of like, well, gee, it's kind

of normalized now. The old man in the office can say whatever, because I promise you this, if they gave Biden a cognitive test, they would also report to you that he passes it too. And I'm not saying that he should or that he would or that observably, it looks like everybody would know that's a lie. Because if you go back and look at Biden since the time he's been in government all. I mean, the guy's never held a private job. He's been in politics from what after he got out of

school. I don't know if you go back and look at what he had to bow out of a presidential race because he was caught plagiarizing five pages of someone else's speech. He plagiarized his way through school. I mean, that's the thing about Biden. What is it about Joe Biden that all of these things, over the cumulative years that he's been in public service don't finally add up to sending him home and telling them, look, just stay in the

basement, we're done with you. See. But outside of the other political candidate out there would be would go through hell over the stuff Joe Biden has said and done over the years. That's the part that gets me. Oh, I know they should, he should. But here's the problem again, is if it's acceptable on one side, doesn't it make it more normal? See, here's the deal. You're right, we've already been through this and it doesn't matter. I mean the whole thing. Remember when they said,

oh, look Trump is perfectly healthy. He's uh and I went, are you kidding me? This guy's healthy? Okay, you know. And meanwhile he's got no troubles, but he's taking a medication for this and that. And I'm like, okay, you know, and then the guys out there making these statements, and it's like, well, how do we believe any of these reports? And does it really matter because at the end of the day, it's a media report as opposed to somebody doing something about it,

actually did anything about it. See, and nobody will do anything about this. It points out really that as much as the executive branch is supposed to have all this power, kind of thankful, it doesn't because look at who was get stuck in there and what happens I mean was he in this condition when he got there, I don't even know. And by the way, I think he was. Well, I'll be honest with you, I think he was. I'm not arguing with you. Yeah, I think the only

reason we saw Biden was keep Hillary out of the deal. Well that and also you know enough with Trump too. You had to put him aside, and you had to didn't make sure she did go in there, so and they couldn't put Obama in for a third term despite everybody's paranoid theories that they were gonna you know, because I still to this day have people sending me things telling me that Barack Obama's the Antichrist, which you know doesn't match because

he wasn't born in the Middle East. No, nobody. He'll tell you that he was born in Middle East. But anyway, well, we don't know where he was born. Dowey, Well, look, I don't know. I don't want to go into that, but I will tell you that nobody has ever asserted anywhere that he was born in the Middle East. Okay, that much I know. Regardless of how they want to stress on the

Hussein name or whatever, it doesn't matter. He's not the Antichrist. I really wish you guys would stop trying to show me, you know, Bible verses about this because it's too funny. Well, I was saying, honestly, though, I do feel that we have gotten to the point that we deserve the government we've got because of the idiots that we keep putting in office. You know, for years, what did we hear we're tired of old, rich white guys running the country. Well, if you're tired of that,

why the hell do you keep electing them? Well you've never gotten a good answer to that. Yet that cracks me up because everybody goes, look, we need younger people, we need, you know, invigorate this and invigorate. And all I see is everybody who is in positions of power in our government have gotten what older, they get older and all. And I do blame this on Generation X, my generation not showing up to the party.

I get it. But same time, I mean, there aren't people in their thirties at this point that couldn't be put in some of these positions. Somewhere. No, it's the oldest possible, you know, people not realizing that they were on vacation. You know, the one woman had to die to get out of there, right, I mean, for God's sake, every on both sides of the aisle, just keep the old one in there. They can still fundraise cool, you know what, They still present

a figurehead good enough to oppose what's worse. You want this, you want this? How about we get somebody good in there for once? That would be nice. I mean, it'd be interesting to see what happens. Well, yeah, I mean to have an election where you actually have a choice, and it's not a choice between the lesser of two evils. That's been the dark case since you know factor in the Reagan era. You know who you vote for, Well, it's the lesser of two evils. I'm sick

and tired of the lesser of two of the evils. I want some people in there that can you know, that can get in there and do a job that they were elected to. The problem is, normally politicians have a certain amount of narcissism where they wouldn't be politicians, and so it's all about them. It's all about them and getting them reelected. You know, there's been a few members of Congress that saying, look, I was elected to

represent the people of my district, that's what I'm here to do. And when they get tired of me representing them or think someone could do a better job, they'll vote me out. So until I'm voted out, I'm here to do a job. That's a big difference between the McConnell's and the Nadlers and the Schumers and these people that have been around so long. They are truly professional politicians. And a professional politician is the one you got to look

out for. There's the guy that's getting voted mayor of the small town in the middle of Iowa, who does it for a couple of years and moves on. You know, citizen politicians are a thing of the past. You can't have them above a certain level because of all the money that it takes to become I'm elected above a certain level. So you can forget the citizen politician that's long gone. The days of you know, mister Smith goes to Washington, that's all a pipe dream. You can forget it were well beyond

that. There's too much money involved in it for anybody to get in there and make an effective change without having to play money politics. It's impossible to do now on a national level, you know, It's like when you call up when you call up Nancy Pelosi's office to complain about something, then the first recording that you did is if you're not a constituent, we really don't

care about your call. Well, I happen to get a hold of somebody in somebody's office one time and they made that statement, Well, you don't live here, you're really not a constituent. So she's only going to give so much. You know, wait to the comments you have to say. I said, well, wait a minute, she ever accepted any money from the outside of California. Well, yeah, I said, all right, that constituent shit goes out the window right there. I don't want to hear

it anymore. She's willing to take money from outside, and she's willing to bowed a lobbyist from outside of the state of California. But if you know, a taxpayer calls up, well you're not in her district, so she's not going to listen to you. That's our problem. We have so much money coming in from not only other areas in the country, but also international individuals or entities pumping money into these damn elections. And until we get rid

of the money you're not going to get government. What you're dealing with now is a photocracy. It's crazy. Yeah, fair enough, And look, it would be nice, you know in the it would be nice file. I'd love to see, you know, other than okay, you're hungry, how about we have you know, a dog shit or cat shit sandwich. I'd like something else between the bread, please, you know, just just something else that, like, I don't know is food instead of that.

I mean, I know, technically speaking, there's nutrients there, but you know, not what I want to eat. Anyways, I'm going to let everybody come on the line. Well it was. I'm going to Harlan first, unmuting him, and if anybody else wants to join in, you can do that too at three one nine, five, two seven five zero one six because I'm about ready to just flush this one for the week. And I gotta tell you, I feel a lot better about this show than the

last. But uh, still waiting to hear you guys here feedback. We got a few live comments, yes, and uh we'll take those into account, and you know, let me know what I should do with that podcast. That's all I got to say about it. And uh, I like Bpete's idea. Maybe you do too. Let me know that info at ocelly dot com you can email me there, or blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com. I will answer either one of those and take into account what you

have to say. Okay, so I've let Harlan and Vance both back on the line, and uh I'll start with Harlan. Anything you want to add in here as we're getting ready to close out. You can't make chicken sad with that a chicken shit If they you won't have to test. There you go, there's some wisdom. I like that nice and punch that shit cover and what waves out there? You have it? There, you have it. I can't argue. I be people. I can't argue with them, can you. No, not at all, not at all. And I

haven't like chicken salad. Yeah I like chicken salad too, And I think if you start adding the chicken shit in, I've got no I got no time for it. You know other people might do that. I mean you want to do that, eat bugs and everything. I mean, that's up to you. I fully support your right to consume as you choose, but uh, not what I want. So Thank you, Harlan. That's great. Vance you're also back on the line, so uh, I'll just let you guys talk for a little bit if you want, go ahead, Harley.

The one thing I would like to touch on was, you know, the kracking things like it's been through city Pow. I missed that one. I was reading some stories on it saying that you know, hurt they from the testify if you know, quote, if she's styled, and other defend and include you know Trump. Uh. And I sent that those stories around to a few people on Facebook and a few of them that I know personally, and I'm like, well, that looks like the cracking has been released

and you've got the automatic just oh they was election froud. They was this blah blah, Well that what the peons the pone is she pled guilty, she's ready to rat, you know, And that just went right over the

heads. Hey, Harlan, do me a favorite. If you have some of those stories, send one to me or drop in the chat room, because you know, I'm looking at the ap story and according to the ape, which is the one I was going to read off of, here's the conditions, I skipped down and I'll give you guys the link in the Ocelli chat room. I think I might have already done it, but if not, I'll put it there. I think I already did, but whatever,

I'll put it there again. Yeah. It says as part of the deal, she will serve six years of probation, will be fined six thousand dollars, and we'll have to write an apology letter to Georgia and its residents. So I guess I'm expecting a letter from Sidney Powell in the mail soon. She also recorded a statement for prosecutors and agreed to testify truthfully against her co defendants at future trials. So they're saying in other articles that part of the

deal is for her not to have to testify. Is that what you're saying? Yes, yes, yes, to testify, not not? But yes, handy there, okay you yes, yeah, okay, okay. No, I misunderstood you then because I was saying, wow, because I'm here in a contradiction, and it wouldn't be the first time where there's a legal agreement one way and the public thinks that goes a certain way, and then

you find out, well, maybe she doesn't have to. But I thought disting point here, Sidney Powell went ahead and and and took this plea deal.

But I remember when this stuff was going on, and they were they were filing cases in different jurisdictions to dispute the election, and there was back do you remember back when Millie Weaver had her falling out with Alex Jones over things that were said in conjection with with m oh god Lills Trump sidekick, he got his house got raided, Michael Cohen, nou dragon tattoo on the back. What's a dirty tricks guy. I'm not a dragon tattoo. He's

got a tattoo at Nixon, Roger Roger Roger Stone. He's got a tattoo,

Ni tattoo. Yeah. Anyway, back when all this was going on, Cydney Powell referred to some documents that were provided to her by a podcaster by the name of Toy, who was a sidekick of Millie Weaver when she went through that whole spiel with getting kicked off Alex Jones's channel and all, well, they had brought up some claims on election fraud and that because of the machines being rigged and being able to transfer votes and things like that,

nature. She was involved in a lot of the background information that was provided to Sidney Powell, and I have yet to see her name mentioned anywhere as being a co conspirator on any of this stuff, and I've been trying to find I remember seeing information about her when they were filing the claims, but since all this stuff has blown up over the past three years, I've not seen any mention of her whatsoever, and which I find amazing because she's got

pretty big footprint when it comes to podcasting and things of that nature, and being involved in the Alex Jones, Millie Weaver, whole cabal of people that have been spout in this election denial since it started, and I'm just I'm amazed that she's been able to stay under the radar. How she hasn't been brought up on charges because she was providing theo to Sydney Pall and the rest of these people over the supposed election involving the machines and what we had the

lawsuit against. Was it Fox by the company that made the machines or something that said they were vulnerable. Yeah, I'm surprised they haven't gone after I'm trying to find the connection of how suddenly this girl's able to drop out. She's one of these fantasis like Judith Ferry Baker that has been able to make claims about all these background things going on before Trump got in, and how she's involved in all this skullduggery and crap like that. There's the blog on

it all, my blog post covering the whole Millie Weaver thing Dominion. But I just found it interesting that I've dopted able to see her indicted anywhere on anything, and she was responsible for a majority of the information Sydney Powell was using. Well I don't know what. I don't know what percentage she was responsible for, but I know what you're talking about, and you're talking about

the Dominion case. But one of the things with Fox, because that was supposedly the reason for dismissing Tucker Carlson, right, was because he was making disparaging remarks while they were in the midst of that, which, by the way, Tucker Carlson I'm pretty certain is doing quite well at this point, having become you know, the Twitter ex poster boy for had to podcast, and by the way, they got a whole thing growing out of that,

and now they're going to start charging like a dollar, I think or something. If you knew sign up for Twitter. So, yeah, they say to eliminate spam bots, you just charging the nominal fee will get rid of a lot of the problems. Well, I think the people that I can see the point on one hand, But on the other hand, if I wanted to buy a thousand spam bots and I'm in that kind of business, I'm thinking to myself, a thousand dollars investment ain't so bad, you know

exactly. But anyway, maybe it's just me and it puts a thousand bucks, and it puts a thousand bucks in Elon's pocket. There you go, that's a win win. That's a capitalistic idea of ever heard one, Well kind of sort of, especially since he didn't even use all his own money to buy the thing, you know, that that huge multi billion dollar you know, price tag and all that. That's not all his money. Yeah, so of course you always do it with opm OHPM is the other people's

money, man. That's how the world goes round. Oh, I know it. That's see. That's That's the funny thing about Trump is that a lot of times when he's making these you know, Oh he made a billion dollar deal. I'm like, yet none of that money's his. You know, It's like I do that before he was even you know, before anybody knew he was doing exact credit? Was that having a dollar? I mean just moving his mouth, you know. I mean, that's that's one thing

about it. It's like people used to say years ago, you could learn a lot watching Bill Clinton. You can learn a lot watching Donald Trump. You've got to respect you to that attitude. Well, I don't. I don't. I don't know how to apply it, is the problem. I mean I see the grift, but I don't know how to run it. I mean, I gotta be honest with you, what you might I I just I a problem. I am born with a conscience. Is that what

the problem is? Okay? Makes sense. Well, look, speaking of having a conscience and all that good stuff again, we are preparing to go to Dallas now in less than a month. Uh but see by this time, actually we'll be on our way back by the twentieth of November. So you know, there you go, that's happening. If you want to meet up with us, Uh, there's still plenty of ways to do that. Be Pete and I will be on the road going to Dallas. Uh,

hopefully not arguing about you know, Palaes nine in Israel. The whole way. I've got a couple of audio books. If you you have a seat D player in your car, do you have a CD player? No, that's the one thing. When I bought this car, and that's what killed me. I had a ton I mean, I got a crapload of CDs, and I had a lot of albums that I recorded over the CD. But when I get it, no CD players got a damn MP three holes.

So I had to go out and buy thumb drives and then transfer all my music onto computer, then put all my music onto the thumb drive just so i'd have it with me want to go. But now that I got Bluetooth on it and YouTube music, that's pretty much what I load up when I hit the road, And that way you can play whatever the hell you want, okay, Because I was wondering, I mean, you know, if you wanted to like listen to some audio books or something along the way.

I mean, I've got stuff on CD and things like that. I mean I could I could clearly rig up some like a regular USB thumb drive. Could I plug that in there or no? Yeah, okay, yeah, regular USB thumb drive. That's what I did. I put all my CDs on thumb drive. I think I've got eighteen hours just on one nice of a mix of everything. But like I said, once I win a Hit and Ball premium YouTube music so that when I get on I can turn

the bluetooth on, put that on hit shuffle on my music. I got like eleven hundred songs right there to listen to, so excellent, No ads, no, nothing. Well, I'm still working on raising funds to do that. And if you want to come and meet us there, you'll definitely get something out of the deal. I might even have an extra lunch or two, depending on arrangements on different given days, stuff like that. So and I don't know, I think we could probably squeeze somebody else, you

know, sneak somebody else into the hotel room kind of thing. VPTE. Probably we could probably get one other spot in there. If you want to chip in because you can't afford the rate and you want to be able to go to the conference, that's a possibility, okay, But obviously, I mean I'm not going to just take random I don't know you from anywhere.

One guy actually offered to put us up at his house. I sent you that email or the message, right b Pete, Yeah, yeah, so you know, but I think he's a little too poor away for it to work out. But I appreciate that, and I appreciate any offers of, you know, assistance for us to get there and back for sure. And I'm hoping to meet a bunch of you at the conference. So let's do that and let's gear up for it and there you go. So I'll tell you what, man, how should we close this one out? And be

Pete, what do you think? Well, we can get everybody's part in thoughts and just shut her on down. Well we're a little bit pastime, a little over, not much, not too much, but a little bit over. So you got more than two hours out of it. Anyway, you guys listening. But I really hope that we can get more participation again, you know, with callers on the Friday Night show. I appreciate you guys that do call in, Harlan Advanced being two of the main guys who

often call in. Jimmy James absent tonight. He probably overslept or something. That's what I'm thinking, Either that maybe there's a good baseball game on or no, he's a football guy. I don't know. Maybe he's a baseball guy. I know that there's the playoff game on tonight, so maybe he's doing that. Maybe he forgot I don't know. But either way, we'd love to hear from any of you, you know, especially if you want to throw in brand new ideas and new material into the mix. Certainly.

And I have no idea what our plan is for next week, but we might have one and we might not, so by all means, join us anytime. So who should we go to first? You want to just, you know, let everybody get a final word sort of, Yeah, let's go in order. We'll just hit Harland, then we'll shoot the vance and then we'll scrattle on out of here. There you go, Harlan, you got a final thought for this week? You know, really the I didn't get into it tonight, not because I was excused the victim byme in last

week. You know, I figured, you know, everybody's probably we're out with it stuff, you know, just just pray for pace out over the world, and we don't get sucked into another world war out paste over the Vance well before Vance speaks. I think everybody on this call would agree that we do not want to see a uh, the United States dragged into a conflict that because I saw people discussing a draft and everything else online this week. It makes me shake my head every time, you know, it's like

this nervous response for they're gonna they're gonna make a draft. Now we're going to it. It's full on and I'm like, we're not actually technically involved yet outside of our money. Yeah, go ahead. You know. I'm a post on Twitter this week something to the fact, you know, the generation that nobody wants to work anymore also seems lack the generation and nobody wants to go to war anymore. I think there is that sentiment out there,

well would that work for us or against us? Because you know, look, I I really don't want to go to war either. But when it's necessary, it's necessary, you know, and necessity is one thing, and being dragged into things because is yet another. So I would say collectively, I'd like to not see a violence continue on the planet as is, regardless of where it is or for what the purpose is, or which government perpetrates it, or which group of individuals has declared themselves whatever, it's kind of

irrelevant. I think that bloodshed is just something that we should be able to get passed at some point in our history, and yet we seem to not do it. But you know, here we are continuing on, and I don't think anybody here is like aching to go to war. As for whether you know, the generation that doesn't want to work also doesn't want to go to war, that would kind of make sense, though Harlan wouldn't it.

Well, what I really meant, but that is, you know, we often here in the list two or three years, nobody will work, or in a lot of cases, it's not just these young people that you know, gets to blame. It's the same way like was abortion for many years, the young girls got to blame for it, even though it was you know, the forty some year olds getting it. Those same forty some year olds that was done. All the blaming on these young girls at that time

is now fifty summer sixty. But just in general, a lot of people's kind of got wise to where, you don't know, they ain't gonna work for us, Just like a lot of people ain't gonna go to war for us or something made up or something that's on the other side of the world. It's just a bunch of politics that's been going on for you know, before they was born. This stuff's been going on before I think anybody on this call, you know, was born. And that was really you know,

my overall you know message. You know, I think some people picked

up on it, some people get it. That's kind of way, you know, I look at it. As far as you know about everything's going on over there, I will say this everybody here, all the lives we've been you know, BP mentioned earlier, you know, Hamas was elected and everything, and you mentioned the part about how that you know, they're kind of just stuck right there, and both of you have got good pompers, but the average person over there just think our government here, whether if we

agree, will follow them or not. Well, they're the ones that's elected. And like we're looking at you know, hamas As, you know, Ben Turist, and I'm not saying that they're not because it looks like that come in and you know, took over the show over there in that area. But they're looking back at us. I'm sure thinking that you know, our government is the terrorist and the same way then I'm sure that some of the Israelis is looking at us that we're the problem and vice versa. You

know, you can get this this searchular orange bluck. But at the end of the day, you know, the majority of these populations of all these countries, regardless it's Israel, you know, the Palestinians or you know, the Americans, Russians, the Ukrainians or whoever, there's a lot of people that's just like you know, versions of us there. It's just trying to live them. And it's you know, we're knocking on the twenty fifth year

of the twenty first century. Screw a bunch of this boat. If you can't come up with a solution, get out of the way and let somebody else track. Well, yeah, something else what they happened, then it ain't working. See. Ultimately, that's where I come down on it is just like with most things, the reason why there hasn't been a solution is because nobody's been able to come up with it. And that's because there haven't been any new ideas. There hasn't been any innovation. It's just the same

old arguments which are not accomplishing anything. And you know, if you want to leave things as they are, they will occasionally do what boil over and turn into something else. And that's it. If you don't fix the problem,

it's going to fester. Whether it's our our border issue, well, whether it's our border issue or it's their border issue, or it's it doesn't matter because if nobody makes a move to fix it, and they just make moves to argue and fundraise off of it, well then that's what you'll have and that's what will result from it, because nobody's making any moves outside of the ones that have already failed. I mean, you know, you go with the Trump thing, Hey, Hamas was smart. They attacked an area

because somebody said something in public. Uh. And at the end of the day, also, hey, I did the most for Israel of anybody and that's all he had to say. So what are you gonna do? Trump lies? I mean to be I mean, everybody's just been a listening that they know that. You know, I'm very critical of the Orange one. They did. Trump really lies. Should he have said it, probably not. I wouldn't have said it, but he didn't really lie when you put

everything in the contection. I'm I'm not saying that what in some just politics over here slanging around it back and stuff. But you know these statements, you know, I mean just because no absolutely no, no, no, no, no lies there, Harlan. But you know what's funny. You know what's funny about it, though, is it's not about the lie. It's you know, the only way to do damage with your words is to

lie. Some people think that, but that's not true sometimes, you know, it is the things that you choose not to say that are really the strongest because on occasion, yeah, you don't raise up your voice. You raise up your voice when it's going to have a positive result, when it changes something, then it's good to wield it, especially if you know you've got a platform. But when you're just out there making reckless statements, you

don't know what you're encouraging. And that's the thing about it, you know. So uh no, it's not just about the lie. Like you know, we could sit here and talk about Biden and his ridiculousness with what's what he said with his son, and yeah, true, it's it's bs absolutely What is the damage done? Is yet another story. I mean, is

it just because of the lie? Lying is damaging, sure, but lying can also be useful in certain cases if you don't let people know certain things for strategic reasons, which is almost the point he was trying to make. I don't even blame him for it. I just find it strange that you know that unrestrained commentary is is is a good idea? Why anybody thinks that's a good idea? I don't know, you know, But anyway, Hey, we find out, I'd like to, you know, pulling out everybody,

you know, especially with the stuff it's went on this week. And I'm not gonna get in the who's supposed to did walk with the hospital and they were saying, but the stuff that we're saying says this has been going on that you know, all of a sudden, this is gospel and it's not blah blah blah. Listen to more than one person, you know. I just don't hardly listen to Fox Music or but find somebody on the other

side. I listen to a lot of Young Turk stuff, and hell, I agree with sixty seventy percent of us, and you know, basically the thirty to forty that the don't, I really don't, but listen to different people, you know, and kind of puts whatever facts you can together and come together and kind of discern though and make a decision on y'all not just

one hundred percent. This is absolutely gospel. And the people that's saying that the other side's lying, look at it a little bit and see if they're making a good case to say out because a lot of this stuff it's just like I said last week, it's not looking good. I think we're living in a time now that this just because the Israel lobby says or whatever says

something to gospel. There's more people than ever is sitting there scratching their head and being like, well you know about this stuff like that, and that is absoually a lot of the problems. M fair enough. So anyways, let get in there and say something. He's been over here tasting there you go, vance exactly, dvance your your closing thoughts for the week. Well, like you know, Parland said, you know, that's what everybody should

be. You know, it's amazing how we've lost our innocence and and you know, and I guess even maybe our soul, you know, in this country, how quick everybody is to go to war and to you know, start labeling people, you know, to be less than and all that. It just seems like that is so easily flamed, you know, these days, and and you know, the the the notion that vp'd I just want

to make this comment. We'll discuss it on time or whatever. But you know, when we when talking about you know, the Israelis gave you know, Palestine their own government, let them, you know, let their government, and that that that just kind of had it gives me that Jones plantation, you know vibe. You know that you know here where you know, you're in a place that's walled off. We got a wall around you, and we get to decide when you can and can't go, and who can

come and go across the wall. And but you get to elect your own leaders, so you're free what else you want, you know, So I'm sorry, that's just you know, that makes no sense at all that you know, regardless of you know, those people's you know, uh animosity or not animosity or whatever. It's like, you know, that doesn't that doesn't seem like that adds up to me. So beyond that, I hope we can. You know, the onset of war is the fall of reasons.

So you know, there there hasn't there. There's kind of be a good, you know, a two states solution that isn't set up this way obviously the same way to set up that two state solution, and maybe it's going to have to have a war that's going to lead to you know, the conclusion that you know that will lead to a better conclusion. But you know, I hope it doesn't get that far. And you know, I for one, don't support war anywhere on the planet for you know, anything other

than being attacked. You know, you know what I'm saying. You know, so we know there were attacks and you know, blah blah blah. But yeah, next next week, we'll figure it out. Next week, we'll figure it out. You're still an optimist. Have you seen Jones Plantation? Now? It's an interesting movie, man. Yeah, sorry, I don't have to watch how they they You can go on the youth bab it's about thirteen minutes. And that was the original that the full live action.

Maybe it was based to phone. But this is like, you know, it's kind of like just like pictures and stuff. It ain't a live base movie, but he gives the basis of about thirteens. Just search on YouTube Jones Plantations. You'll probably have to go through the trailers for the live action movie. You should be able to see it, you know, just skinning

down through the search results. And it's a pretty good little piece. We played it on Tom Cooper Show probably about what's it been advanced three weeks from months ago. Larkin Rose is one who made it, and it's got a little age on it, so maybe it several years ago. Yeah, I got the years ago. I got the link for the It was originally something written by Larkin Rose, and I've got the the you know, the one with the pictures and stuff you're talking about. I just put a link in

the chatroom at Chelly dot com to it. Yeah, and now there's a live action movie to it, which is, you know, the same story a little more drastically told. But that's that's what the reference is. So I was just curious that PPT had seen it. So anyway, it's there if you want to go through it on YouTube. BPTE and uh, I think they got the movie out there for like a couple of bucks. It's not that much. But it's a it's an interesting story about you know,

I don't want to, Yeah, I don't want to. I don't want to spoil the story for you. But it's about It starts out with this concept about slavery and how they were to transition into being free. And it's an allegorical story. It's and I leave it at that, and you should probably judge it based on what it is you view and see what you take from it. Uh. That that's where I thought. It's it's about our political system and the free range slaves that we are. Well, you know

that that would be a conclusion that somebody could come to. But I would leave it open to you and and take a look at it and see what you think of it. You know, you might reject it out of hand, but but leave it open in your mind when you go into it. That's all I'm saying. And L and we Yeah, definitely, we can discuss it next week if you like. So. Anyways, b PTE, I guess that sort of leaves it to you. Now for the final word of the week. Well, rather than everybody go to the Chelly effect and

hit the donate button and He'll keep this thing going. Other than that, I can give an update on there are some baseball fans out there. Currently, the Chilly's are leading. They won today, I believe. Yeah, and they're leading their series to to one against the Diamondbacks. No, I take that back, they're leading. I think you were right. I think they're playing now. Yeah, right, they're leading, leading three. Wait,

I'm looking at the wrong one. The Phillies are right now in the bottom of the seventh they're leading the Diamondbacks and they lead the series to one. Okay. On the other side, you got the Astros and the Rangers. They played today. The Astros took it, so they're ahead three to two. There you go, and out of these two series is going to be our World Series, which will start what about a week No, end of the month. Man, it's given later and later. Yeah, twenty

seventh of October. It's the first game of the World Series. Yeah, it's crazy. Usually it was, it used to be. It was over by now you could end it without getting to October. Sometimes I think when I was a kid, like you didn't even have to quite get to October. I think you might have touched on October first, second, third, maybe, Uh. Yeah, it was when they expanded the first time.

You know, that's when what was it Reggie Jackson became known as mister October because that's when he always picked up his playing ability was in the playoffs. Yeah, so the Yankees then, I think we was given that mantle. But there you go. We got a World Series starting in a couple of weeks and it's going to be two or four teams. We'll see who shows up. Although we all know it's not really the World Series. It's just

the American version of the World Series, American Canadian version sort oka. Canada's got a couple of team No, wait, Canada's only got one team. Now they got one team? Yeah, Toronto, that's it. Once when the Expos went out, that leaves Toronto as the sole team. Yeah, I just as I was speaking for I have to admit I am a full fledged Toronto Blue Jays fan, only because I can't stand the Yankees and I can't stand the Red Sox. So I'll go with the Canadian Listen, anybody

anybody with the Yankees as far as I'm concerned. And I was a Mets fan, Yes, I know this is problem. Like I told you, Mets, Jets this is where your star career goes to die. But anyway, that's the way it rolls. And there's also a controversy about the underpaid quarterback at eight hundred and something thousand dollars a year in San Francis. But you know that knows I isn't that a shame? Isn't that a shame? That eight hundred thousand dollars a year and you just can't make ends meet.

Well, what I would say, though, look, and I get that, and I feel you on that. But at the same time, if I'm the guy on the bottom of that barrel, though, I'm pissed.

I gotta tell you, especially if I'm doing well, I'm pissed because I know there are guys that aren't even like, you know, playing that are getting paid better than me, that aren't out there risking injury and possibly never being able to walk again and taking a you know, taking a hard enough concussion that they might not know who they are in five years, that are not risking their lives basically, that are getting paid more than me. I'm

pissed. Say, look, I'm a Carolina Panthers fan. We've been dealing with that since the team was created. You know, our next big draft pick is going to save the world. And what do we end up with right now, we're at zero to six. I'm sick and tired of paying multi million dollar salaries to individuals who can't hold on to the ball. Well look, look, Carolina Panthers guy, I was a Jets fan and of arguments. Anyway, get credit. Now they've been doing well, They've will

come up this year, even with all their setbacks this year. Yeah, but don't worry. Before it gets to the end of the year, they'll blow it. Anyways. That is the way it is, and that's the way it was, and that's the week that was on the Ocelli Effects. So no matter who you are, where you are, when you are,

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