The o'chilly Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and listeners like you Now and Now and a Media. It is the fifteenth day of January twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and this is the o'celly effect. Now, I haven't been broadcasting on Mondays, but for those of you who are tuned into the live stream, surprise, and for those of you catching the podcast, you don't care when I recorded it anyway. So here we are, Monday, Moonday, I am kicking off
the week. And who do I bring on? All right? Her voy Yay, Okay, this is the guy's first name, and you're gonna try and read it in the description and you're probably gonna screw it up. And I might have just screwed it up. But interesting guy. I'll tell you why. Okay, why is he of interest to me? He invited me to go on a radio show and then was told by his boss's that couldn't be on there. Now, that's all I want to say about that. I don't really care about it, and I don't care that he promotes a
network that fired me. It's fine because the chuck o'chelly show used to air on TNT radio and doesn't anymore. It only only made it for about a week there. Interesting trip and I really was happy to get the job over there, but they were not happy to have me. So it is what it is. But he couldn't book me on his show. So I thought to myself, let's bring him on here and find out what kind of guy he is. I've been chatting with him before I went to air, and
I'm more than happy to have him on. How you doing today, sir, I'm doing good. You got my name pretty pretty right, Kervoye Morich and it literally means crowat is in Croatian. Yes, you know. It's funny because a guy who actually is in Ukraine that had been displaced from the former Yugoslavia okay uh and ended up in Ukraine. What wonderful trip this guy's had in life. He ended up in Australia. He's actually got an Australian accent ethnically, he's Croatian, I think. Okay, and he ends up
in Ukraine and married a Ukrainian woman. He's not happy with me anymore for some of my views on what's going on in Ukraine. But uh and and really I can understand he's in a war zone and he's trying to survive over there. But he informed me about your name when I ran it by. When I ran it by some friends, I said, how in the hell do you pronounce this? Uh and And he said to me, well, that, yeah, means uh. So, can you explain that? Where?
What is the You know, you don't sound like you're from over there, but uh tell me where? Where? Where have you been? What is your what is your life? Where has it taken you that you have that very interesting name. I don't think you live in the former Yugoslavia whatever it's called at this point. Tell us about that. First off, I'm living in Narco Country, Narco Territory down here in Mexico. By the way, I'm also a proud Mexican citizen. But yeah, i'mmergently from Chicago,
Illinois as far I was born, so I'm a proud American. My parents were immigrants from the former Yugoslavia. They were Croatians, and so I grew up BILINGUALI some'm fluent in Croatian, and I actually identify first as a Croatian because that's my heritage, you speak the language I've lived. We moved back and forth, so I grew up between the US and Croatia, and then basically I studied history in Illinois, and then I learned that America was an
empire, and I just decided to permanently expatriate out of the empire. And that was around two thousand and six, and my ticket out was Peace Corps Mongolia. So I went off to live in a yurts in the Gobi Desert.
Absolutely loved Mongolia. And then I got a master's in international relations at the Geneva School of the Diploma in Switzerland, and some of my professors were people like Saddam Hussein's defense lawyer, Curtis Dobler, Alfred de Zayas, who's a un special reporter, Yessair Arafat's brother in law, ibanarjhim Sus and so
people like that. And then I landed a gig teaching international relations, history politics in Mexico at the top high school university here called the tech Tech de Monterday, and so I taught here for some time and then twenty seventeen I got it hired in Kazakhstan at Nazarabaive intellectual schools. And so for three years, four years, I was living in Kazakhstan and then COVID nineteen eighty four
hits, and then I ran back to Mexico. And so in the meantime, I've had a podcast that I started in around twenty twelve called Geopolitics and Empire, where I've interviewed probably a lot of people you'd be familiar with. And then yeah, it's been it's almost two years that I've been doing tn T. Yeah, I mean, look in an incredible uh education. I was gonna ask you about next, but you've already basically covered it, and uh I I found that most fascinating. I mean, you almost seem like
a good candidate to be on the CFR here, you know. Uh, but but apparently you've decided to think differently. I mean, the second that you identify America as an empire, right, what do you? Oh, you're some kind of lefty you know. And we we've gone into a weird area now where the left right paradigm has taken an even greater stranglehold on people, even in the alleged alternative or among the fringes, uh, politically in America, and it's it's become quite a word salad anymore to describe yourself.
Right, you know, the the alleged conservatives, and notice how I pause on con Uh you know the conservative uh you know platform here. It's weird to see it led by somebody like Donald Trump, who is you know, the GOP guy and all that. I don't wanna. I don't wanna bog you down with American politics. I could do that with anybody. I want to talk about some international stuff with you before we're done. Uh. And I certainly was aware of some of that background. But your travels alone make
it very interesting linguistically. How's your Spanish? Your Spanish is good too, Yeah, I say, I mean, I'm fluent. I use it every day. And I'm a Mexican City twenty eighteen and became a proud Mexican citizen as well. So I always joke with all this cancel culture and wokeism in the in the US. If anyone, well, first of all, I'm a Slav. But if anyone tries to, you know, say I'm a
racist or white supremacist or something, I just say I'm a Mexican. So I can't you know, you can't they can't play that card with me. And just you know, just what you mentioned earlier, I'm actually a Christian and a conservative, but I kind of like, I don't bang it over people's heads. And I talk about empire, and you know, I'm well aware of I'm anti empire, anti globalist, anti oligarchy, and so you know, I do try to bridge bridge divides or find the commonalities with with
people. You know, I've I have people from all walks on my program. I just love learning from people. Like you know, a guy like James Corbett is now disturbing some people right because they just figured out that he's sort of an anarchist. You know, I'm like, well, James has always kind of been that way. He's been around a long time doing this stuff. How did you get started doing the the old media thing, though, because it seems to me like you could have been plenty busy in academia
in the intellectual world. I'm sure you could still make a fine living in the US if you wanted to remain among the empire. But good on you. You went to the Narco state. At least it's a little more outfront about what it does when it comes to being a narco state, because as far as I'm concerned, the US is one of the greatest narco states on the planet. It's just that we're more on the consumer side of the equation here, you know, as opposed to the production side. We let everybody
else produce it and we consume it. Uh that's the reality of it. And people don't like when I start talking about the drug war because uh, sorry to say. You know, I'm one of the surviving children. You know, there are child soldiers in the drug war as well, and in urban environments here in the US. Guess what I knew how to Uh well,
I knew. I knew how to step on a supply of dope and spread it out better so that it could be sold on street corners a lot easier and for better profit, long before I learned how to kiss a girl, right, because that was the sort of level I was on A commiserated
on this show, uh you know a little bit. And then during the break, especially with Freeway Ricky Ross about how suddenly it was that we got the formula for crack in the in the early eighties, you know, in I got it on the East coast, he got it on the West coast, and he was a more intelligent businessman than I was. I was just a kid working on cooking and mixing and stepping on stuff. And that's a
reality that nobody in America wants to talk about. You know. They want to talk about the Chinese are bringing us metanol, even though we had ventanyl in the early eighties and I was working with it in the basements of tenements to add it to the dope supplies back then. But hey, pay no attention to that because that's not part of the agenda at the moment. You know, they want to talk about drugs coming in from Mexico, not talk
about the stuff that we manufacture right here. You know, we don't need to get met from Mexico. It's made in America. If you want it. Doesn't mean it's always good, doesn't mean it's always the cheapest product, that's for sure, because oh wait, now we're onto globalism and we could do this just with the drug paradigm if you wanted to. But I don't want to do that with you, because I think you have much more intelligent
things to discuss. Actually, I want to get into something with you which is more current, and although it's not like the drug war is not current events, because it's always current events. But I want to get into some more current geopolitical things with you, if you don't mind, But what are your views on the narco state and the drug war and what do you think of that. You know, us having the drug war the constant. You
know, we have the opioid crisis. We have this crisis brought to you by our friends at Big Pharma, who also tried to sell us this shot, which now some people are starting to question. But if you tried to do that, you know, say some months ago on different parts of the internet. I mean I lost my YouTube channel too for just that, well not for just that, but anyway, one of the main reasons why some of us lost YouTube channels, lost platforms, everything else, because we questioned
Big Pharma, who is a huge part of the drug equation. You know, it's not all on the street level, and your local urban pharmacist is not really the biggest threat. I mean, he's making a few thousand dollars a week, but he's not making the billions that the sacklers are making.
He's not making the billions. And the joke of you know, suing them eventually and getting a few billion dollars back after millions of deaths, and I don't mean tens of thousands, which they keep trying to count up, but realistically, millions of deaths result from the stuff that they sold and peddled legally. Even you know, what is your view on the drug war? Though
at the moment, just in brief mine probably aligns with yours. I've interviewed on my podcast An Empire Doug Valentine, a big fan of authors like Alfred McCoy, and basically, you know, it's always it's the empire that's involved as well. I've had on my podcast Mike I forget his last name, Roth Miller wrote a book on Marilyn Monroe and how she was taken out.
And you know, he told me a story during the podcast that he in the eighties, he was down in Mexico and he met one of the heads I forget the agency here in Mexico FIS, I can't remember, but the Mexican and intelligence dude was admitting that they were the CIA was using planes strips here in Mexico to bring in the drugs into the US. And so I think we're pretty much on that same page. Here's just an example. This was like few weeks ago. Actually had I tried to meet as many people
as I can. So one of the guests, one of my T and T guests who was passing through Mexico, we met, you know, we hung out. He came visited, we had dinner at my home, and his d d or his uber driver because of the way he looks. So my friend, he's he's sober, no drugs, no drinking, but he's got you know, had tattoo and with the beard American and the deed driver was offering him crack cocaine right in front of my house, this Mexican taxi driver. And then of course, you know, he said no, not
interested. And then the taxi driver comes back the next day to my native gated community and he invents some lie. He says, oh, your friend left glasses, and then he left it with the security because we he you know, I didn't want to meet him. And then the glasses I see that he just they were like two dollars, you know, vocals you buy at the pharmacy. So he he just and he had left his card, so he just lie and said, oh, your friend forgot these as he
was hoping I would buy some crack coquat. And so that's how it is here in Mexico, the narco state. But yeah, it's it's it's you know, I think I probably agree with your explanation. We've got the Empire US, you know, London, Brussels involved in the drug trade all over the place, you know, de e a, CIA and all this stuff, and they're working with the different agencies are working together. The Mexican government's
corrupted. You know, there was a story that broke recently. This is software called Titan here in Mexico. The back end was created by Israelis, but it's being run by Mexican Mexican government, and it's a database. You punching somebody's name here in Mexico, and the government can look at you. They find your bank account, they find your address, they find your all this stuff, and then they can just go like locate you. And then
the government officials, the Mexican police sell resell those licenses to narcos. Yeah, that just kind of tells you this, that's how things. Yeah, no, but that's the thing is that, you know, it's a little more on the surface in Mexico, you know. But but we have the same thing here. That's why I love bringing on Seally Castillo because he was a former DA agent and then they they basically let him go out into the field knowing that there was a hit out on him because it was found out
that he was an undercover agent. And uh, you know, if you if you ever read the book Powder Burns, you'll you'll get a snapshot of that. And of course you've seen Sally probably in every major U Narco documentary that was made some years ago, a guy who you know, had to basically escape and try not to get himself killed walking away from the DEA.
And his explanation is real world where it's like, you know, people keep talking about because you know, immigration is this constant thing, and this is why I want to begin to talk to you about global things regarding this. Uh you know, it's it's the constant political football here in the US. Right What are we going to do about the illegal immigrants one way or another, or the illegal aliens or you know, what is the more politically correct
term. I forget because I'm not politically correct, But what in the hell, you know, why why are we so afraid? Well, if you listen to the Trumps of the world, you listen to the alleged right wing, it's because they're sending rapists, they're sending murderers, they're sending their drugs. That's all that Mexico is pouring over our border. Meanwhile a bunch of
people are trying to escape those people. Okay, and I say, if we want to stop having, you know, this serious need for people trying to breach the southern border, maybe we should stop screwing around with Central and South America and maybe stop destroying their countries and then they won't need to flee
a lot of them. Uh. But as far as the rest of it goes, I always find it amazing that there are people that literally have this image in their minds that there are people walking across the Rio Grande with backpacks loaded down with dope to bring it into the country. That that's literally how drugs are getting in. That's not efficient. That's not the way you run big business. That's not the way Seneloa or any other cartel runs things.
Okay, you know, the reality is it's coming in by the truckloads, and every once in a while they sacrifice a load so that the dea guys that are normally getting paid off at least look like they're trying to do their jobs, so they stay in place and continue to get paid off. That's the reality. And Selly's funny because he lives right there on the border still and he talks about, you know, look, why is it that there's nothing but in broke neighborhoods, you know, brand new banks and brand new
car dealerships popping up everywhere. It's because all the drug money that's here is getting guess what, laundered right here in Texas on this side of the border. So the money's coming in, the money's coming in, the money's coming out, but the drugs are not getting sent in on backpacks of you know, poor drug mules. I mean, that's the kind of thing you put on a TV show so you can create a sympathetic character that's not the real
world. How do I know this because I've been around organ crime of different stripes, you know, just like you, you're proud of your hair to jump out of mine too. But I'm also realistic, you know, And I've got a Sicilian name, and I knew some of those guys, you know, because I'm sure you can tell from my accent. I came from
the New York, New Jersey area. That's where I grew up. And yeah, indeed, you don't do business like you know on the backpacks of people that are struggling, and you know that you can pay a little bit of money to be a drug mule. That's not how you get a business to consistently run. Okay, So it's the point of entry that causes these things to pour in the way they do. And what do you do you pay off a guy if they can only be paid fifty sixty one hundred thousand
dollars by the DEA to guard the border. Well, if you show up with three times, four times, five times, they're a yearly salary and you tell them they can have that twice a year, guess what you're gonna get? Friendly people at the border. And it doesn't matter if you traffic people, you traffic drugs or whatever else. They're friendly to you. And this is how things move. But I don't know, it's like people fail to understand this. Anyway, Let's get to something else people fail to understand.
In my mind, if you don't mind, because I can't get somebody to come on this show and have an open discussion about guess what what's happening regarding Israel and Palestine. All I've got is people that dig into their positions.
Okay, they're in prescribed positions regarding this, But you're somebody who has the kind of experience, who has the kind of education, who should be able to break this down and explain what it is we're seeing happening here, because, as I predicted, even though hardly any of the MSM or even the old media is bothering to pay attention to this, the action is spreading.
It is becoming a regional conflict from this alleged terrorist attack. And I do say alleged because I have to say alleged over and over again regarding all this stuff. The reports are difficult to lay your fingers on. Do I know there's violence happening? Do I know there's bombing happening? Do I know the IDF is involved? Yes? Do I know that there are Palestinians that are launching weapons, yes? Indeed? But do I really know about these
tunnels and everything else? Forget the details. How is it that you can explain what's happening in a geopolitical sense, because this to me looks like a strategy to set something else in motion. And I'm curious about how somebody with your education is viewing this conflict from start to well just today, what do we let's see one, two, three, four months, in five months in to this conflict? Uh, but of course it is the continuation of
previous conflicts. How do you see what's happening there in Israel slash Palestine? This is the million dollar question, isn't it. It's it's tough again. Like I say, I I think there are a number of factors a play and I take sort of a middle position. And you know, I had Ian Davis, who's a UK blogger. He wrote a great lengthy article titled was Alex Flood a False Flag? For my website Geopolitics and the Empire?
And so I think there are different things going on. I had a great interview three years ago on my podcast with doctor Francis Boyle, and you know, just going back to COVID for a second, I was the first to interview him in January of twenty twenty where he came out and he said COVID was a biological offensive, biological warfare weapon, and that got the three hundred thousand views, it was taken down. The next day, my face was on the front page of infu Wars. Alex Jones was doing a play by
play of my interview with Francis Boyle. So he's an expert on biotarism but also the Middle East, and I you know, he makes the point that we have Washington, you know, I call it the the unholy Trinity, right, Washington, London and Brussels. And you can throw in Tel Aviv as well if you're willing, by the way, if you're willing to pass along a contact for doctor Boyle, I would love to try and interview.
Sure, yeah, I can pass it along. Please ye, God, please continue though, because that's the guy I wanted to nail down as soon
as I heard about. Because I did hear about your interview. I forgot that you did it, but I remember this, and I also remember that article again, see now, because I go through so much stuff, you know, trying to look for alternative explanations, intelligent things being published elsewhere, you know, outside of the corporate media here in the US, and it's quite a dig sometimes, and to be honest with you, I'm amazed.
I didn't realize that I've already read some things that you were involved in publishing. Go ahead, so please continue. Actually the first chapter of his latest book, Medical Tyranny. It's the transcription of my interview with him, and it's the first chapter. But you know, he was making the point in that interview because we talked about the Middle East, Iran, Israel that you know, the Western Empire once fulls by from dominance, it wants to take
over the planet. It wants to remove any countries that don't fully want to integrate into the whole. You know, Britain, Wood System, I am at for World Bank and all that and those you know, those countries. You know, it's like Syria, Iran, Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela. And so I feel for a long time that the plan has
always been to go to war with Iran. So what you just laid out the situation we have in Israel Gaza now is it's it's leading to it's a great pretext to launch war with Iran by the West, and that would be basically, you know, world War three perhaps, So that's one angle I think, Uh, you know, Israel has also expansionist desire for Greater Israel. I have guests on and the question is, you know, is Washington
using tel Aviv or is tel Aviv using Washington. That's un clear. And you know, from my Christian worldview as well, I believe in a lot of the prophecy and you know, world government. I think a lot of this also has to do with world government. That's a big factor in my
analysis. I'm reading a book from nineteen seventy right now, in an academic book that talks about how we need to lower the population, we need to get rid of democracy and put in basically like technocracy or scientific dictatorship, which is what they tried with COVID, and that we need to have world government. You know, they call it global governance, global government, and they in that book, and this is not the only place that I've read this.
In these elite white papers, they talk about they need us to relinquish our sovereignty and to accept a global, you know, supernational global system that will dictate everything. And they say in this book that we could have a series of limited wars, which is exactly what we're seeing Ukraine, Israel, possibly Taiwan. You know, there's insert and Balkins now there's again stuff going
on limited wars that have the threat of expansion. Right, it's always it's not a limited war where it's absolutely going to be contained, because we have that all over Africa constantly. That's not useful to the agenda. You need something that is a limited conflict that has the explicit threat that it could spread very easily, almost like a wildfire, right, because that's that's part of the equation as well. Look, I am interrupting you for a very good
reason here. We got limited time, and I want to get straight to something. And it's going to be a personal question. So my apology is if this is offensive to you, but I'm gonna lay it to you. I'm not a Christian, all right, and I'm not a Christian, I'm not a Jew. I count myself as a pagan. So I ask this
question with no sensitivity attached to it. Okay, here's the thing. I realized that from the pulpits okay, the general uh, sort of western westernized Christian education has been to inform the flock one way or another from the pulpit here in America, for sure. But I have a feeling this is an
international thing. Uh, And I'm not asking. I don't want to step into too many of your own personal beliefs, but just this one key point, uh, the idea that you've been encouraged as a Christian to believe that to speak against the state of Israel is literally like an abomination, It's against God to do so, right as a Christian. I've heard this explanation from I don't believe that, right, Okay, I don't, no, but I wanted to put it in context with you, you know, like,
this is part of why it is. I believe a lot of people have been encouraged to simply fall right in line and say automatically, I mean they in America. We also hear there are only ally in the Middle East, blah blah. We hear all that, But what is the truth of this?
Do you think that there is an undertone here where? Uh? Because again, when you start reading about global governments governance, and they start talking about the use of the of the more general religious facilities to encourage people to submit to acquiesce to turn over their will, they talk about utilizing them to basically for political means, which is something that should not be done. You
know. It isn't about the politics. Okay, if you're if you're getting in touch with with your God. I don't think your God really gives a damn who's a Republican or a Democrat, or you know, who happens to be of the Conservative or Workers Party. Okay, I don't think that that's a reality unless it affects their moral actions things like that. But it seems to me as though there is that lever that is utilized and was put into
place. What are your thoughts on that? You don't believe it, but you know, there are many people who would call themselves by the same name as you and say I'm a Christian, I'm a Conservative, and therefore they would follow along with that reasoning, wouldn't they that to speak against Israel, to take a side against Israel, even though it's the modern nation state of Israel, not the biblical Israel. But don't start arguing with them about that,
because they'll tell you this is, you know, all biblical. So what about that angle on it? What do you think is that being used as a lever or do you have a feeling since you don't believe it, do you have a feeling that there is some consequence there is something to this that could be interpreted in a biblical way or not. Yeah, I mean
I don't have all the answers. I think it is being used as a lever even here with my Mexican friends and Mexican Christians we have over the weekends as chatological or the base on thischatology, and even they themselves, some of them, their theology says, yeah, the state of Israel is not important from a biblical perspective, right, So they're on the other extreme of more of the mainstream. I might even call it not all. But there's a
lot of fake Christianity. This was warned about fake church's, fake profits, fake Christianity that that's in the US. You know, it's aligned with the Republican Party, totally Zionists. I mean, everyone knows who we're talking about with them that say you cannot criticize Israel. So there's that example that you put out there, and I think that's not good because obviously we see, I mean, Israel's killing people in Gaza, some of them are actually Palestinian
Christians. So for me, it's like that that's a big question, like I could have easily been one of those you know, Palaestinian Christians living there, and how do you square that, you know, when you talk about these mainline Christians who are you know, don't don't criticize Israel, yet they're killing other Christians in Gaza. So again, there are a lot of things like that you bring up that that that doesn't kind quite square, but it's
definitely being used. And of course, yeah, religions are being used. One of the avenues that I look at that are fascinating for me because I've studied the occult previously and theosophy, and I subscribe to the Lutz's Trust news letter. They used to be called They were founded in nineteen twenty two by Alice Bailey, who followed of Helena Blavatski. They were called Lucifer Publishing. I actually went to one of their meetings in Geneva two thousand and nine,
because they have their offices in New York, London and Geneva. And they actually believe that Lucifer is the Christ or the Messiah, and they say and they're official NGO that's affiliated with you un And you know, just over the weekend they sent out a newsletter that said they are standing in full support of the Davos meeting this week, and that they're basically saying that all these conferences, these UN and World Economic Form conferences, are preparations for the return of
the Christ, which they say, from a Christian perspective it would be considered the anti Christ. But the fact that you have these, you know, secular groups like Luci's Trust saying that there's calming this world. Teacher, he's here. He's the Maitrea for the you know, Eastern religion, he's the Mahti for the Muslims, he's the Christ for the Christians. And so for me, that's kind of interesting. But I definitely agree with you religion is
being leveraged and shouldn't. My view is kind of how you mentioned. You know, Christ told ponscious Pilot, you know, well, he said, you know, gift to Caesar, what is Caesar's gift to God? What is God's? He said, my kingdom is not of this world, so you know, he could have easily brought a But by that I think he meant the solution is not political, right, the whole thing about Christianity, it's spiritual, and so I for you know, Jesus could have gotten out
of being christified but he didn't. So the point was that, as you say, you know, for me, as a Christian, I think my focus should be more on spiritual and not on the politics, which is you know, that's why I recognize we have a unit party, you know,
the Republicans and Democrats is just one party. So no, absolutely no, And I appreciate all that, but I figured I'll just put you in the uncomfortable seat for a minute and go for it, because I doubt anybody else is going to ask you that, you know, but it is odd to see. Look, I always think of it as when when we're looking at circumstances like this, this is not the end of the game. There is
always a greater plan going forward. Now, this idea about the uh, you know, the the end goal being Iran, it's interesting to me because that has been the thing that people have said for a very long time, and thus far they've sort of failed to bring Iran into a wider conflict, regardless of the fact that they say they sponsored terrorism all around the world dot dot We know all those talking points. But here's the thing about it. They have not been able to get them to directly attack us, so to
speak. Have they Uh, they've not been able to get them to directly go into Ah, you know, into a circumstance where they're trying to invade and take over other countries. Looks like to me. And this despite this
very long and storied history. I mean, I'm sure you well know about what the American government under you know, the austinesses of the OSS later the CIA did regarding you know, the overthrow of Mozaedek and all that you know, and then we take a look at this history that has continued on through the you know, what they called the hostage crisis, et cetera, et cetera. You have a very complex history here, and yet they've never quite
been able to get the justification to make the invasion right. They've never been able to make it so that there was a justification. Do you think that this might be the time that they're going to finally try to kick that into into full swing here where we're looking at, Well, Iran is now the named enemy, we have a justification. I mean, clearly they're not going to treat it like they did Iraq because Iraq was not as functional as as
Iran is as a nation state. Iraq didn't have the Allies that Iran has Iran is a different thing than Iraq. It will not go the same way if we were to say, try to pull the same crap that they pulled on Sada Mussein, who was you know, previously an asset for our intelligence
agents until they decided to burn him. And by the way, I think there's an element of that at play here too, where you know, much like people had pointed out that, you know, Hamas was something that was encouraged by the Israeli government, by the Israeli intelligence et cetera, et cetera
for a while, I think that there was an encouragement. But well, I know for a fact there was encouragement of you know, the the Iraqi side of the equation again until Hussein had served whatever purposes they decided could serve, and then they got rid of him. But I don't think they could possibly play the same kind of game they did in Iraq in Iran. What are your thoughts on that? Well, I think I think the elites in the West are sociopaths, and they're willing to start another global war and have
millions of people die. In fact, Russia Today published in December, I just I just saw this. The other day. A professor from Australia wrote precisely to this point about World War three and that it would serve the oligarchical, Malthusian eugenicist interests. You know, a war that kills tens of millions, hundreds of millions of people because it will lower the population. People would die through starvation, famine, all these other disease, and it would It's
the same pattern throughout the twentieth century. It would serve they could build back, better, build a new technocratic, smart city type of system or wherever the bombs have hit, and then create a new world organization. You know, it's the same thing World War one, Leg of Nations, World War two, United Nations. And then I'm looking at my interview with Francis Boyle from twenty twenty. He says the title was war with around could be imminent
Russian China or the endgame. And he says putin after Munich decided we better rearm. The ultimate objective is Russia, no question, unlimited imperialism. We'll try and conquer the entire world if they can get away with it, unless they are stopped. The US intends to conquer as much of the world as they can. This will continue until an organized grow but people stand up to
stop them. It does appear Putin and Hi Jinking have decided to stand up to try to stop it, says Francis Boyle, and so, and then you go back to Westley Clark Clark. A lot of us are familiar with,
you know, Wesley Clark. I think in two thousand and eight he gave this interview where in two thousand and one he was told, so this is two thousand and one, he was told, Yeah, Pentagon's going to take out seven Middle Eastern countries in five years, right, Syria, Libya, it was a Suddan or Somalia, and then the final was Iran.
And so the fact that they have actually carried through on most of those countries and Iran is one of the last ones, it kind of does seem to say that they do really intend to go for Iran and just timing, I guess, is the issue. And then the question is, you know, are how is the rest of the world going to respond, you know, China and Russia, will they then, you know, come into the fray?
And so I do feel like we are headed into this war because these sociopaths, you know, they've got their bunkers and whatever, and so they don't really care. They're crazy enough to do this, and so I think
the question is, and they're they're kind of scripting. It's kind of like a play, right, So they need us to see like, oh, you know, and they use false flags, right, So they're always using false flags, and so, you know, Seymour Hirsch broke in two thousand and seven this story how in the Bush administration they were discussing dressing up US Navy seals as Iranians and then attacking other US forces and blaming it on Iran. And so I think we may be waiting for a false flag type of
events. And I've had a number of guests on my podcast say that the dangerous years more specifically are between twenty twenty five and twenty thirty, you know, getting closer to twenty twenty thirty. So, well, it's interesting because astrologically, I would say that twenty thirty is a pivotal year for sure,
you know. And again I'm looking at something that's similar to prophecy, and it seems like it's all starting to line up from different schools of thought here but again, I don't want to delve into that too much with you.
The thing that I'm more concerned about though, is that, you know, as we see this this economic crisis occur among you know, most people, we're getting quite a bit involved a lot of us anyway, and just trying to survive on a weekly basis, right, just trying to get through day by day, some of us even because of the increased pressures that are just
on survival, even in the Western world. And I think that is an element that is being ignored because what is this interesting pattern that seems to occur, at least you know, studying US history, we see economic downturn which is then followed by some sort of conflict, which again reduces the population as far as you know. I remember the first time, when I was a little kid, somebody told me that the purpose of being Vietnam was to eliminate
people that would be otherwise unemployed. I found that to be a strange statement in you know, nineteen seventy eight, but you know, I was only six years old back then. It didn't make much sense. But here's the thing. Everything is economics too. I think we're being set up for. Look, here's your problem, your reaction, and your solution. How are we going to get ourselves out of this economic hole? We might be able
to do it with a war. We might be able to do it just like that, And that would create a whole lot of you know, new business opportunities for people that go in and rebuild things. Of course, you know, I learned that on the front line. Even after Desert Storm was interesting. I watched a whole bunch of people. I mean, I was even invited to go ahead and live in the in the what was it that
small country? Now, oh my goodness, the thing he invaded allegedly kuwait right, I was invited to go live there to do contract work with guys, and I was I was going to be unskilled labor as a young man
to go there. They were going to pay exorbitant amounts for unskilled labor even to go there new construction because there was just so much money that was going to pour out of what rebuilding what they were able to accomplish in thirty days destroying, they wanted to rebuild it, you know, it was it was insane and the amount of money that's made, I mean, there's not much to rebuild in Afghanistan, and of course they handed that back over to the
Taliban. That's another conversation, I guess. But it's interesting the way these things come and go and the finances that are involved. And after all, you do have to keep feeding the military industrial complex something, because that beast needs to eat. And you know, they can keep creating new planes that don't fly or whatever for a little while, but after a time you got
to start shooting. You got to start shooting bullets and replacing them and replenishing them one way or another, which is really what this thing is about with Ukraine, where they're talking about the amount of money that you know, is being resupplied to them and this and that. No, they're supplying them with materials that then we have to replace so that we have it. That's how that works. So it's not a direct monetary payment, but it's the replenishment
of now old supplies. Take the dust off of this, get it out there and use it, you know, blow the dust off it, literally, get it out there and use it. And now we have to replace it for ourselves. So therefore, you keep all these contractors in business. You keep all of these you know, creators of different things, whether it's planes or bombs or backpacks or MRIs. It doesn't matter if you ship them
somewhere else. You got to replace them afterwards. So it keeps the factories rolling what we have of them, right, so those businesses stay fed. This is the way this works. So I'm thinking the economic downturn is at a perfect time. And I'm thinking, quite frankly, and I hate to make predictions, but I'm thinking, quite frankly, we need to time. I mean, there's going to be such a disillusionment with this twenty twenty four
selection. And I did say selection in November here because I think they're going to reinstall Trump, and I think he might be the right man for the job, because he's going to go around and make a whole lot of hyperbolic statements. And if they don't put him in there, they're gonna have to put somebody else in there besides you know, sleepwalking Joe, to get things done. And I think war is in our very near future. They might actually declare it this time. But I do find it strange, and I'm
curious about this. I need to ask you. Do you find it odd that even though you and I can lay our hands on reports of a lot more action, a lot more live fire things occurring in different parts of the world right now than was a couple of months ago, and yet nobody is really focusing on it. It's not making the headlines. Every shot in Ukraine used to make the headlines, but now two years in it's almost disappeared from the main headlines, as opposed to where it was not so long ago.
You know, you had to pick a side, pick a not too long ago there. Now it's not the main focus, and they're not talking about what's happening in Lebanon. They're not really talking about, you know, some of these strikes going on here or there. And I found it even weird, this whole like explanation, like the Sulimani thing at the memorial site right that to me is a and nobody's really asked a question what the hell actually happened there? And I'm telling you, the alt media has dropped the ball
here. I don't have the resources to go ahead and send people over there to find out, and god knows, I wouldn't even want to be responsible for sending people into some of these hot zones right now. But here's the truth. We're not getting a lot of reports on a lot of things that
are happening. So what do you think that's all about. Do you think there's going to be a run up and a new pr campaign to get us again crying out for like, I don't know, war on terror two point oh, except this time we don't have a nine to eleven on a American soil. We had the you know, they kept saying it was the nine to eleven for Israel. We don't have a nine to eleven on American soil, but we do have a justification because we've got to protect our ally.
Or do you feel as though maybe we are now waiting on some other false flag attack here on American assets which will again get people nice and blood thirsty and get them out there screaming for vengeance like we did in two thousand and one. What are your thoughts on that? Is to comment? You know,
I largely agree with a lot of your extrapolations. You know, we did have we have Neo Khan and Nikki Haley right the second coming of Hillary Clinton, which I think they're all the establishment is behind, you know, betting on a number of horses. But yeah, as you said, We're already seeing them put out this narrative of Iran hitting the US that it's some of the people coming in through the border or Iranian sleeper cells, and so
they're drumming that up again. And as well as an alt media. I've been talking about this a lot, how I've got a strong growing distrust of independent or alternative media because again, some of them have strange stuff going on behind them, and this is just what the establishment would do. They would infiltrate, create or infiltrate alt media, and so the new media would become
like legacy media. And you know, just one example, I went to this conference last year was called American Freedom Alliance, and it was good. Some of a number of my past guests were there, and it was a mixed bag. You know, you have a lot of really great people, you Michael rechnawall libertarian, he speaks out against the Great Reset and globalism. Then you've got some of these guys who are they're almost like neocons in disguise.
They're NonStop talking about hitting you know, China, China, China, We gotta go to world with China. China bad around bad Venezuela, bad, but they're in the new media, so that they will talk about the COVID realities, they will talk about globalism, but then one of the strong lines against you know, war with they're on in China. So it's kind of like they're they're already playing out this narrative. So we just need some type of events. And so, yeah, it does seem we are headed
in that direction. I could see Trump coming back as well. Uh, and yeah, it just doesn't look good. Okay, so you're not one of these guys who thinks that he's an actual outsider or anything. I mean, he's clearly a tool of the establishment one way or another. I would agree. Yeah, I mean I've got a strange theory again links to my Christian stuff. I had this guy called Donnie Darkins on my TNT show.
He's got like one hundred thousand followers, a YouTube guy. No, he's got he's only on Twitter and he's got he's anonymous, and he's got this thesis that and we'll have to see how it plays out this year. It may not be true, but that the system is behind Trump, but they've played again. But it has a lot to do with this new age theosophic stuff where because I've been seeing old media also growingly new ages coming into alt media, and they're talking a lot about a lot of about a lot of
anti Christian stuff, you know, christ consciousness one ism. But and there's this whole Great Awakening thing, and so this guy's thesis is that, you know, you've got the great reset, Great Awakening, and so it's kind of a deception where Trump will come back and he'll go against Davos and all this stuff and the deep state in America and everything's gonna be Look, you know, that's great, But in reality, he's ushering in, you know, this sort of age of Aquarius, this this false light, this Great
Awakening, where that is like the real new World Order, and what we've been seeing up until now is the counterfeit new world Order. And you know, like in the esoteric you've got like black magicians and white magicians, and so he'd be taking down the black magicians meanwhile, So it's just two signs of the same coin. So I could see that sort of scenario, but I don't really and Trump, I mean, come on, he headed up Operation Warp Speed and also all the all these sorts of things, So yeah,
I wouldn't I personally would not vote for Trump. Okay, no, fair enough. And look, that's not to say that either one of us would support the Democratic side, because that's always the other. Well, then I guess you support Biden. No. Actually, what I would like to see is, you know, somebody that's actually interested in I don't know, you know, doing the job which was supposed to be to represent you know, we the people. But anyway, you know, I know that's an
antiquated idea. It depends on the mood. Like you know, I have had thoughts. There's this idea of accelerationism, so hey, I'll just go vote for Biden. Let's accelerate the decline or you know. RFK Junior to me seemed to be the most interesting because he was the most outspoken when it came to the deep state. Then you see his position on Israel. But I've just kind of after COVID, I've just I've got no faith whatsoever in
voting. After all of our governments acted in unison across the planet. I've got three governments, right, I've got three passports, three citizenships. They all did what the global government wanted them to do. Right, the who the un and so, and I actually live in a smart city here in Mexico, and so the governor here is implementing all of these transnational corporate globalists
projects. Here, they're trying to get rid of cash, they're trying to take away our cars, so on and so forth, and so at this juncture, I'm like, yeah, voting it's not really working. Yeah, I mean, you know, look, if you think it'll work, and vote harder, I guess. I mean, what can I tell you? It is strange though, to observe that there was And that's the thing that is always the big trouble sign is when you see them all line up in
one direction. That's when you got to worry, because that's really the agenda. You know. The things they argue over are meant to keep us busy, you know, one way or another, and usually it doesn't accomplish much. Like I brought up about the immigration issue, right, that's something that's been going on my entire life. I was born in seventy two, so you know, I'm just over fifty years old, and hello, this has been going on this whole time. You mean to tell me nobody could have
figured out it's the Southern border. And oh, by the way, you know, I always find it interesting that they would have to send Iranians in through the southern border when considering we've got almost no security on our northern border. I mean, how hard is it to get these guys through Canada? Probably not that difficult, you know. Yeah, as you said, I've talked to Mexicans here and it's just I was kind of I was kind of surprised how it's just as you said, it's been going on since forever,
the border thing. Although I think there's a second point here, but the first point is that it's always been easy to jump the border. I've had guys remodeling my house here. Tell me, oh yeah, you know, five, ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, I was working in the US and they just paid the coyotes to get them over. And it's like, yeah, you know, I was in the US last year when a number of times and the uber Yeah, I can't tell you how many taxi
drivers, some of them don't even speak English. I'm speaking to them in Spanish and they're like, oh, yeah, I just paid the coyote they brought me over. I'm here illegally. My sister's coming next week through a coyote, and it's like that's go going on. Although I think the second point is it's intensified now because I do think this has it. It's being weaponized. So what's happening now is like on the military level where this is
now an assault on the United States and Europe. It's by the globalists, and I feel like they want to break down the Western world and the Western standard of living, erase the middle class, bring in the neo feudalism, maybe balkanize the US, bring about some sort of civil war. They don't want there to be on the planet any you know, strong political, economic, sovereign entity, because again they're trying to prepare US for world government.
And I've talked to a number of people who are down in Panama and others who you can see the un all these NGOs are are financing and directing this migrant wave. And I would agree with you. You know, I listened to Lewis Chaparo. He's a great journalist. He did a great interview recently. He says it's not that microans are not bringing in the drugs, you know, they're just looking for a better living standard. So they're just they're
just pawns in this game. But it's it's the globalists who want to flood the West. And then you know, bricks and multipolarity the other side of that coin. I don't really believe bricks is any real alternative. So to have a world government, you have to have sort of like an even even economic how'd you say plane, And so they're lowering the weast west, so the global south and the East can rise a bit, and that sort of
gives the foundation for global governance. You know, you might. I don't know if you ever talked to him, but there's a journalist named Addie Adds out there. He's an interesting guy. He might give you some interesting perspectives on some of this stuff if you ever want to, you ever need a guy for your show, I'm telling you he might be a good one to bring on a little little to the right of me in my opinion, But
I love Addie. He's a young guy. He's actually stopped by my home when he's been on his way through Georgia taking a look at the different election frauds and things, which is interesting. But I take it from both sides.
I mean, you know, I've had Greg Palace on this show and him as both of them trying to describe to me what the election fraud is in Georgia, which is where I live now in Georgia, and it's too funny to me because this state is run top to bottom by the Republicans, And it's so funny because people keep talking about how you know there was election fraud here, and it's hilarious because it's like, yeah, of course there
was. But here's the thing. Both sides of the equation are competing for how to steal it, and nobody wants a real investigation because the second you do that, you find that everybody has their hands dirty. So of course there's no real investigation. Of course, that's the way it is. But it's so funny to watch people twist it to sort of, you know, adhere to their political narrative one way or another. And meanwhile, it's pretty simple and easy to see if you live here. But I love bringing both
of those people on. Maybe I got to get Greg back on the show again. And Attie by the way, but look, I'm gonna let you go because in a very short time you'll be live on TNT. Actually, so if people are hearing us live on Ocelli dot com Radio. You'll be able to go over to TNT Radio and go hear our friend live. What
do you got coming up today? And if you wouldn't mind, but when you're on your way out the door here, because I'm going to get you out of here, if you wouldn't mind give me a couple of links that I can put in with the show notes, because I'd like to refer people to your website, your podcast, your show on TNT, everything. If you could drop some links into the skype chat here and I'll make sure to
cut and paste them and throw them onto my podcast. What little help I can give you there, get a few new ears on what it is you're doing, because you're a really intelligent guy. I'm not always, you know, one of these people who bows to people who have academic credentials because I've got none, and I find that some people are more locked into stupidity that way, But you're not. You're somebody who's, you know, openly and
intellectually examining these things and from a from a unique perspective. I can definitely tell that by the sample that I've taken from you here today. So I really appreciate you taking time, and I know you have a show to do, so tell people where they can find you and where you want them to find you, and the stuff you've done. Anything you want, please, Yeah, just the website geopolitics and Empire dot com. And then you know, I've had trouble. I'm still on YouTube, but I've had trouble.
I forgot to mention in twenty twenty two, the Department of Homeland Security banned me from PayPal and so, and I had Matt Taibi and Kim Iverson actually cover my deplatforming and so and I'm off of Patreon as well. But the Geopolitics nampart dot com. I'm most active on my Twitter there and on my Telegram there's thirteen thousand followers and so I'm always curating the news there and posting
my stuff. And then TENG Radio dot Live. Yeah, I got two guests coming up, so it's just every day you just never know who you're going to get as a guest and so and then I'll be at the Greater Reset tomorrow. It's a five day conference that takes place during Davos. We are like the anti dallosin so I'll be reporting from there as well, doing my show on the ground, and I'm always happy to chat with the people. They can message me through the different avenues. And on that academia,
I forgot to mention that you brought that up earlier. I don't know if I could be successful in academia. Even here in Mexico. They took away for two semesters my university courses because I was being politically incorrect. And this institutions is very globalist, and so if I could help it, I would prefer not to go back to academia if it's possible. So I'm I'm able
to podcast and radio broadcasts. Now there's no telling of that I'll ever change and I might have to go look for a teaching job, but yeah, it's not good to stay academia. And thank you Chuck for having me on No and look, and I appreciate you fielding my questions a couple of them, probably a little uncomfortable and whatnot, but hey, look, we have to ask uncomfortable questions if we're going to solve uncomfortable problems, you know what
I mean. And I love getting a sampling from a from a guy like you. I hope that you and I will have some conversations in the future. But once again, yeah, I want people to go to the websites and uh and check out your stuff, go listen to the show on TNT Radio. I know they have an archive over there of your show, so they can catch some past broadcasts, but you'll be able to catch them live
in about say, twelve minutes from now. So I'm gonna let you go, but do me a favorite, like I said again, and just throw some uh, you know, throw some links into the into the chat here on Skype that we're talking through right now, and uh, and I'll definitely publish them along with this podcast because I want people to go check you out.
And there are ways to support you though, even though they took away PayPal, right, yeah, I still have donor box which uses stripe buy me a coffee and and and and that that all is still there, or substack I've got. I already sent the links to you and so people can become a paid subscriber on substack to support me. Excellent, Yeah, excellent,
and yeah, do check out a substack. I went over there, took a look at some stuff under my h under my Pseudon, But I'm gonna go sign up also over on the substack and buy me a coffee works whatever you can do. I think guys like this needs support. And uh, you know, look again, I'm not holding it against him that he's with a company that fired me. I don't mind that. We need intelligent voices, we need independent thinkers because this is the only way we're going to
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