The Graham Hart Show 2015.10.20

And good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to People's Internet Radio. My name is Graham Hart. I'll be your host for the next two hours. How are you? How are you all? Are you well? Are you in good form? I've had a strange day. Oh I have. I had a strange day. That's the last time I go and get off as eggs. Anyway, I'll tell you a little bit more about that a little Yeah. This world is bloody crazy. I am the god of hell Fire and I bring you fire the crazy world of Arthur Brown. It's a crazy

world. Indeed, folks, have you been involved in the new five P for a plastic bag yet? Have you done that yet? I've done it twice. I've been to the shop twice. I've had the plastic bag thrust upon me twice, and I can't say I'm very happy with it. I went to the shops on Sunday to pick up one or two things, and this lady said to me, would you want to five Do you want a bag to put that in? I said, no, thanks, I'd rather eat my own flesh. And then today I popped up the road to get

some eggs from the local village store. Very nice. And my friend was in the shop and I said, ah, Graham, he's called Graham as well. I said, are you doing? But yeah, how are you fine? Yeah? I haven't seen you for ages. Yeah, I'm okay, buddy. So how much is that? Will love? Yes? Blah blah blah blah. So he picks up his few groceries and he said, oh, I'll have to get a bag, and he gives the woman.

He gives the woman a five ppence for the bag, and it just pissed me right off, man, and I just stood there and I just couldn't. I couldn't help it. Well I could have helped it, but I couldn't, if you know what I mean. And I just flicked the coin so it went off the counter into a box behind which he good evening Jimmy, which he didn't take kindly to. And she said, if you feel like that, she said, go up troom. That was just another shop up. They will go up, true, and go up there and get

your eggs. You're not having one, mire so what you don't know what it's like. Don't you think about those plastic bags and all the damage they could do to animals? I said, don't you think they could use paper bags and do away with plastic bags all together. Do you know what's going on in Palestine? Anyway? From that moment on, all hell broke loose and the language was atrocious, and I apologized she was having none of it. So I don't know. I'm just wondering if there's something in the air

it's making everybody edgy and fall out. Have you noticed people are very edgy and fallen out? Because I see that a lot of that around as well, you know, and it's just you can't everybody seems to be on edge. Maybe it's just me. I don't know. But moving on, my guest tonight, folks, is Chuck o'ceelly. Now, this guy has his own radio show on American Freedom Radio called the O'Kelly Effect, and I'm going to be contacting him right now and in the meantime, I really do think

there's something in the air. So, without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, a big, big, warm welcome to my guest tonight, Chuck O'Kelly. Good you need Chucky? You there? Yes, sir, how are you tonight? Ah? I've been better? Actually? Is it nighttime where you are that's the question. It's nine o'clock. Yeah, it's thirteen thirty minutes past nine. You have had better days? Have you ever had any

problems? We've now got this thing in this country and in Ireland as well that if you have to use plastic bags now you have to pay for them. So if you don't bring your own bag, you have to have a plastic bag from the shop, but you've got to give five p towards charity. So that really pissed me off over a couple of days, and especially day when I had a big fallout with a lady and in the end,

you know, it just became ridiculous. So I came away a little upset and I threw a few expletives at her and she threw or flew back, and I wouldn't she wouldn't, I wouldn't accept my apology, So fuck them all. You know. I'm having one of those days. But it's great to talk to you, Chuck. I did speak with you briefly on with Martin Farrell a few weeks back or a few months back. I can't remember.

How's things for you, brother? Ah? Yeah, well I can't remember exactly how long ago it was that we had that conversation as well. How's things here? Well, first I'll relate to you what it's like with the plastic bags and most of America that I'm aware of. In most places, what they do is they encourage you to bring your own bags, and if you do so, they give you a few pennies off of what it is you're purchasing. It's not much, right, something like sense. They

give you credit toward toward your purchase, which is almost pointless. Yeah, you know, after all, if you get ten bags, you get fifty cents off. And what can you buy with fifty cents? Well, you might be able to mail a letter? I think, no, you can't anymore. Sorry anyway, But what do you do with fifty cents? You know? And that's if you get ten bags, And of course I never have the money to get ten bags, so when I go, it's ten cents, and what can you do with ten cents? Well you can't even

have this conversation on Skype, can you. That's the end of it. So they've just done a different way out there. Yeah, it's really been pointless. I mean, I'm sure eventually we'll get to some place where they say that if you don't utilize your own bags, or if you don't bring your own or whatever it is, or if you don't purchase theirs. Oh that's the other thing. Of course, they always have a way for you to readily purchase a reusable bag that they will sell you with the stores logo

on it and things like that. So you know how that goes, you know, and that's another dollar instead of saving the five cents if you had already brought the damn thing. But anyway, what is that, What has that got to do with anything? Well, it does explain to you how a lot of the world actually works a whole lot of pointless bookkeeping and nonsense, so that you think you're getting something out of the system that's presented to you, and meanwhile, what do you get, Well, not anything of

any real value, No, just more and more lies. Yeah, more and more lies. Distraction. And look at this, we already wasted more time on the air with the discussion than it's actually worth for us to invest into the situation. And so there you go. They win today on your show. They won, they won today. But that's the end of the first ten minutes. Well that's what, right, we could have patted it a bit further. No, it's it, honestly, chuck it just it

dubbed my bloody aet in. This is getting. All it is is just to put your mind off what they're really doing, you know, Palestine, the Middle East especially, and all the filth that they're getting up to. I've found it very interesting over the last week. I've sort of done a bit of a test. I was listening to a radio host in America. Are you aware of Charles Giliani? Giuliani? I've heard of more than one gentleman with a similar name, so you're gonna have to let me know which

one we're talking about. Well, this guy is very anti g Okay, that's a whole lot of radio hosts in America. Not not the ones that have corporate content, you know, contracts or anything, but a whole lot of what we call the alternative media in America has very much turned to the rather extreme, vitriolic aside when it comes to the Jewish question. Yeah,

did I just use that phrase? I sure? Did you know? Zionism becoming a very large issue among the alternative media here in this country, and uh and and a lot of them are extremely misled uh oh, now I'm going to anger some people. They're extremely misled. And here's the thing,

and I want to I want people to take note of this. And it's something that I started to discuss with with a couple of people that I consider in some way, in a peripheral way, mainly my colleagues, because honestly, I don't want to be associated with almost anyone else who opens up a microphone anymore. I'm tired of being placed into the various compartments of stupidity that I hear being blasted out there. You know, people that tell you that

there's no left and right paradigm in the country. But if you're going to support one side or the other, I have one side that's better than the other, which means that all you've done is waste my time. And you're yet part. You know, you're you're just the answer to if you're disgruntled with the system, come over and deal with the system from this angle, so that you feel a little better about yourself and you think you're smarter,

you know, kind of thing. It's really ridiculous. But anyway back to it, I listen a lot to the fact that people talk about the constructive Zionism. I listen a lot to the people talk about how, you know, the essentially, it's not a question of the new world order. It's not a question of the great corporate entities that are running and destroying many things. It's not a question of this really, at the end of the day,

it's all about the Jews. This is what they say. And you know, it's eerily similar to what I heard in the nineteen nineties and in the late eighties as a much younger man in this country, because well, there was a prolific white power movement. Now I'm not sure how many people are familiar with that over there, but I mean you may recall that there was worldwide attention being paid at one point to the Nazi skinheads and the once again re emergence of what we call the ku Klux Klan in this country.

Yeah, and the rhetoric not only being based upon things like you know, the Turner Diaries, which is a book of fiction, just as a reminder to the listener, which is a book of fiction. You know, the Turner Diaries and things like this all being propagated and sort of amalgamated into an alternative history that creates this idea that the Jews run the world. I mean,

that's really what it is. And this is exactly the same rhetoric with exactly the same reference points that they were utilizing pre Internet to recruit people into what we know as the white power movement. Now, of course, America is not the it doesn't have the exclusive on this thing. But I find it eerily interesting that the people that claim to be alternative media at this point have been sucked into exactly the same propaganda wheelhouse that the controlled hate groups in

this country were. Let us not forget that a lot of the hate groups in America were also infiltrated and inundated with individuals who were federal agents for the most part, and were sent there to distract the disgruntled people and create a separate kind of well, a separate kind of psychology among them because in times

of economic downturn, people get angry. I mean, that's just a universal truth that happens in every single nation on the planet, you know, and they're really pushing it at the moment, and they're really starting to push it once again now in the days of the Internet having come to fruition, some of the most popular traffic sites that emerged to begin with, I mean, had a lot to do with racial division, had a lot to do with

exactly this kind of rhetoric and everything else. But I find it interesting that the people that say that they have nothing, you know, it's got nothing to do with race, it's got to do with the Grand Conspiracy are telling you nearly exactly what those individuals were telling you in the nineties, were telling you in the eighties. We're likely telling you in the sixties and seventies.

But in the seventies I was too young, and in the sixties I didn't exist, telling you exactly the same stories to evoke a response, or to provoke the disgruntled individuals around the country into believing that they needed to assert their own power as a race in order to crush the Grand Conspiracy. I see the same sort of motive unfolding again in what is unfortunately called the alternative media.

So it's one of those things that bothers me quite a bit. Now, that being said, if you separate out what is going on in Palestine, what is happening in the current nation state of Israel, and you think about it in context with what is happening on that entire side of the planet at this point. Well, we have a different game here and it's not all being controlled by just those who are Jews. No, okay, so right, keep that in mind as we move forward. Well we do,

because I've tried. You know, last week, I got to be honest, Chuck. Everywhere I everywhere I look, everything seems to lead back to the Jews, whatever conflict, everything I see seems to lead back to the Jews. But leaving that aside, I started calling them elite Jews. They're elite Jews and Zionists. I've gone with Zionists up until a couple of weeks ago, and then I started to use in the word elite Jew. Interestingly, what happened was that I found out that a lot of people skim read,

they don't read all the words. And the bad feedback I got, you can have it. You can't attack the Jews. They missed the word elite. Now, as far as I'm concerned, you can't say elite Jew. You have to go and stick with Zionists, because anything other than that, then it seems like you're just to tuck in the Jews. But do you think it's the Jews, just the Jews onwell, I know, we've

got the Zionists that work for them, the puppet governments. But when we get right down to it, Chuck, do you think it is the Jews, the Zionist Jews, not the Order of Jeuce because there are so so many good ones. Now, I would I wouldn't even make that assertion, you know, regarding who's a good one, who's a bad one, or anything else. Just like any other religious organization, you have all sorts of,

you know, demonstratively evil things going on. I mean, I don't know of one of these mainstream religions that that doesn't have a bloody past, that doesn't have a stake in manipulation when it comes to governments. I mean, the Catholic Church is a very easy target, but I mean European history is riddled with the craters of destruction from the Catholic Church, you know.

And then of course, when I explain that to some people who are very much stuck on the idea that Zionism controls the world, they tell me that, well, you know, the Catholics were essentially puppets of the Zionists, and this kind of is beginning to make me a little crazy, to be honest with you, because this is a very one dimensional answer to a very

complex issue. And in my estimation, if if we can come to this conclusion rather easily, then it looks to me more like what is being erected to keep us distracted from the true controllers still, and I know that that's an unfortunate position to take. No, No, I welcome it. I welcome it. I'm glad that you welcome it. But I got to tell you, I take a lot of heat from people who are interested in alternative

stuff. You're saying, oh, you can't attack the Jews. I got to tell you, in America, if you're an alternative media guy who isn't attacking the Jews, then they start to accuse you of being bought and paid for by them as well. And this is this is something that has gone on with me literally in public, in private messages, people have accused me

of being Jewish for not blaming everything on them. They've stated that, you know that maybe I'm being paid by these individuals all this other nonsense in order to protect my Jewish masters, you know, and all this other nonsense. And you know, and every time that comes up. I always say, well, I'd really love to know where the checks are going, because I'm broke as hell, man, and you know, help me out, tell me where I'm supposed to get paid for what you're alleging I'm doing. No,

I'm not about that. I see this in a much larger sense. There is a lot more going on. Of course, it is extremely notable that as we begin to swing into this circus like atmosphere of the American presidential elections. You know what did I take note of immediately at the beginning, or in the very early stages of the alleged debates for the alleged selection process on its way, which really it's already been pre selected, folks. The

game is over. It's already done. It's just that you don't know what the result is, just like any other reality TV show. Unless you watch it till the end, you won't know who won. But here's the thing. Did you notice that in each of those situations, individuals who are supposed to be opposed to one another, opposed to each other as parties, opposed to a whole lot of other things, each one of them seem to have to take a bow and state that they would be very much about doing what

was right regarding protecting Israel. Yeah, you know, why are American politicians who are supposed to be well pandering to us as Americans regarding you know, getting the highest office in the land. Why is it that they have to take the time to let you know that they're going to support Israel. You know, there is not a large enough block of Jewish voters in this country

to really influence the election. So you would think that if it were Jews that were concerned with Israel, you know, that this would be something that would not be at the top of their agenda. And meanwhile, this is nearly one of the first things that was mentioned during each of the debates. Nobody took note of this, and I mean not alternative media people, not mainstream media people. I did, you know? So sometimes I wonder if

I'm the only one watching watching these things. I don't know, you know, but you did you take note of that? By the way, No, I didn't, No, I didn't see it was missed. You know. It was the only country outside of you know, supporting US as a nation, obviously, but the only country that was pledged to in the debates long before the any of the selection and yes, I do keep saying selection not election process actually get underway. The only nation that these people are making

public pledges to is the state of Israel. No one bothers to note that there are plenty of other people that are allegedly allies all over this planet that I'm very sure would like to hear that the person who's going to hold the highest office in the land actually have some interest in protecting, in supporting, in continuing a relationship with And meanwhile, Israel is the one that actually gets the airtime. Yeah, well, have have they bought Congress? Well,

bought Congress. A lot of people have bought Congress, so you know which parts. I mean, it's a grand scheme there too. Plenty of corporate entities have bought into Congress. We do have an interesting phenomena here, though, where you have dual citizenship among individuals in our government, where they are citizens of both Israel and the United States. And that is not just in Congress, all throughout the higher offices in every department of our government. It

seems as though we have individuals who have dual citizenship. And this phenomena is something that I do not understand. And it's you know, it is not even with any sort of regard to the fact that it's the state of Israel. I would not care if these individuals claimed to have dual citizenship with Ireland. Okay, and just to make note here, I mean part of my ancestry as a matter of fact, the majority of my ancestry in reality is

Irish. I would still not be happy with the idea that people that are meant to represent my interests as an American, we're pledging their allegiance to both the United States and Ireland at the same time. Yeah, we've got deal citizenship here as well, many leaders in that, and I don't there's not very many people that are aware of it, that people have deal citizenship in the highest levels of government with Israel. Well, and let's take a look

at that. I mean, in the United States, you have to swear an oath when you take one of these offices, the Congress, the President, all of these individuals, you know, do swear an oath, which is an oath of allegiance essentially to do what is right. You know, some parts of these different oaths. And I'm making an amalgamation here, so

don't quote me. On each one, but each one of these oaths, whether you're serving in the military, or you're serving as the president, or you're serving as a congressman, even mayors, I mean, you name it a high office and office in this country. Generally speaking, your oath includes things like adhering to the constitution of the state or the country. Includes you know, defending the nation against its enemies, includes doing what is in the

best interest of the people. Things like this you're meant to swear to. Now, if your allegiances are divided and there is a conflict of interest, and again I'll bring up the concept of if someone had Irish and American dual citizenship, which of course I have no objection to. But here's the thing. I not an additional oath stating that if you're going to serve as a representative of the United States of America, that there is a superiority clause in

your job description that states that we at least have the priority there. Because if a conflict came up where let's just say, again with the Irish thing as in play, and one was to say, well, you know it, would it be in the best interests of Ireland or in the best interests of the United States to do the right thing regarding a decision you could make, you know, why not at least make them also swear to an oath which has some sort of mechanism in it by which one could be dealt with

if they did not follow through on their oath stating that they had to give priority to the United States in the positions, the votes, the input which their office would allow them to place into any given scenario, even if it were Ireland. Once again, let's just say a trade deal were to be

more favorable to Ireland than to the United States. If you're a dual citizen citizen of those two countries, and you hold an office in which you can have influence over this subject, why would one not demand that someone's allegiances be extremely well governed by an agreement that they signed. At least make them contract that they will give priority to the country they're supposed to be representing. But

that's not even done. As a matter of fact, this is almost a hidden idea and the most prolifically noticeable dual citizenship problem I see in the United States and in other countries, but in the United States especially is the dual citizenship with Israel. Yeah, you know, and they're bumming the shit out of everybody. That's the problem. Yeah. And when your country is funded them and my country is funded them, well, of course we are. Of course we are, you know. And this is the continuous thing.

And what they sell to the American people is that this is our only ally in the Middle East which we can depend on. Meanwhile, they're spying on us more than anybody else. Meanwhile, you know, they're causing you know, the anti American or anti Western sentiment to continuously boil in the Middle East

as a constant because we support these people. And I mean I was talking to people about this twenty years ago that had more of an attitude about it, you know, pre September eleventh, reality, that had an extreme attitude about it that you know that one of the reasons if the United States wanted to stop being hated, if the West in general wanted to stop being hated in some of the places that it was being shown that we had, you

know, a lot of anti American sentiment being publicly displayed, then one would think we would stop supporting the government that is doing a great deal of damage to the people that are deciding that this is something to be fought against. Of course, you know over there and it's like, yeah, well what do you want? That's logic, right, yes, you know, and it makes a lot of sense. So why would why would you expect the

government to do something that makes perfectly good, reasonable sense. Yeah, there's no room for that anymore. I'm just looking back at a few comments that have been made in the chat box here. I know Lee one word, Lucifer, Well yeah, I know, and people I have have that idea as well. But again this is an oversimplification. Okay, you know, I'm just trying to go back to Stephen, Stephen Roberts, who you've you've

spoke with, Chuck. It's been on your show, and Stephen has posted, but they post so fast, and here, folks, I've got to scroll back. I really need to copy and paste. It's all right, Yeah, Steve, Steve Roberts, you know, canceled the Cabal. I think he still airs on this network. He does, indeed, yep, on twice a week. I think he's on Wednesdays and Sundays. Canceled the Cabal, right, And I've been on his show, He's been on Mind

Steve he's a good guy. He's a great lot. He's uh, you know, and he's actually been helpful to me in more ways than one. Anyway, I do appreciate it. Don't know if that's a good thing that I let people know that, Steve, because by the time I'm done talking today, maybe they'll start to complain to you. But but look, Steve, no matter what, I love you, right, I can't I can't find you. I can't find this. It wasn't a question, but it

was a very good statement, Stephen. And I I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling, and I can't find it. Brother, Well, take take your time. One thing I can do is run my mouth if you need a minute. It shouldn't it should have taken this long. I just lose them. They pump him in this so fast. It's okay. But you know, when it comes to the Luciferian thing, that's

another thing. A lot of people, they have a very very deep sense of Christian paranoia, and believe it or not, this all does roll together into one particular subject, which I'm going to get to in a little bit. But you know, the idea there are people in again the United States. I look at my own alleged fellow countrymen first as to where the problems

begin. You know, they're individuals that identify themselves as Christians, who are constantly worried about things like the Luciferian agenda, that are worried constantly about how they are essentially devil worshipers that are taking over everything, you know, and that there is a war on Christianity, that you know, Christianity in and of itself is under attack, and we're a Christian nation, and oh my, everyone panic because they're going to attempt to bring Sharia law into the United

States of America, you know. And I ask this question all the time and people scoff at it. But here's the thing. If we have a situation in the United States of America where our own laws are not being are not being honored, are not being actually prosecuted in any particular proper fashion, then tell me how the hell it is. We're going to bring in a whole other system here, and you're going to be afraid of that as well.

What you should understand is that there's a whole lot of corruption, and even our own existing court systems are not legitimate at this point anyway, Absolutely absolutely I found Steven's comment. I was on Chuck Show. I was on Chuck Show once and we had a Zionist lever in the chat, and Chuck asked me the question of My response was there are people on the planet that would never let the Jews run the world. The Jews are a red herring,

plain and simple, and Steven once again very correct. It is the great distraction they are. They have been historically an easy, an easy target, let's be honest, you know, over and over again. And here's here's the thing. Now that this is another point which I'll probably rile people up. But you know, those that start talking about the hollow cost, those that start talking about whether the number was really six million or it was

six hundred thousand or whatever else. History is replete with the Jewish people being under attack and being the scapegoats for a great many things. And this makes a lot of practical sense, okay, because what happens is they're relegated to businesses which are quite off light. Now. They are segregated by nature because of their religious practices, as are most other religions. Let's be honest. But the thing is that the Jews have been rather coherent about it throughout time.

They kind of stick to themselves. So when they're not suffering as everyone else around them is suffering, obviously, that whole well, gee, if we're all down in the mud, why are they not down here with us? Immediately sentiment seems to happen, and I mean for a couple thousand years, this has gone on in various places. It does make sense that people begin to turn on who is still being successful despite the general atmosphere of the

economy and things like this having gone against them. With the people people generally, I find in life throughout life, they don't want you doing okay, just don't do better than me. Yeah, exactly, that seems to be the way of people. And that's and that is we gie. You didn't

bring religion into that discussion there, did you. No, you just said people, yeah, you know, and and really, when you break it all down, you know, a lot of like I said, Christian paranoia does fold perfectly into this concept of the Jews running the world because of this whole statement about the Synagogue of Satan, which which is you know, again a cherry picked piece of material from the alleged Bible that that Christians do grip

very very tightly with their white knuckled hands very often. But you know what, for the most part, find any one of them that actually adheres to their scripture in the most proper sense and actually pays attention to what's in their scripture, or has they even read it. I defy nearly anybody to actually have someone who has honestly read it from an objective point of view and understands what's in their scripture at all. You know, an observation made by a

gentleman who I'm also doing another show with. Now his name. They call him the Greek. Yes, I've seen that on your web page, and yeah, so we also do a show called ocell and the Greek, which is a once a week thing, aside from The Ocelli Effect, which is my show all week. But when we talk about these types of topics, he says one thing which is extremely profound to me, and that is that no matter which one of these mainstream religions you're talking about, there are not

a single group of them that actually obey their own scripture exactly. So find me one individual who actually does what's written in their in their book and will begin to have a legitimate conversation about their book. Yeah, that's that's that's very good comment. But it's I mean, if I'm looking at this overall, and we we we take out the the controversy, if you like, its usury is the big problem, is it not? Well that that's an

easy thing to point to, but usury goes far beyond. I mean, people can see and sort of conceptualize the idea of the monetary system and how that is run, okay, and the fact that there's interest built in and all these other things. The fact is that when you take a step back, the entire society does not and I mean the global society does not function in a proper fashion. We are not functioning in a in a lawful sense, We are not functioning in a truly, uh you know, universally moral

sense. And when I say this, it's not just about the controllers. It's about every one. You know. The participation of individuals who even believe themselves to be outside of the system in portions of the system is just a you know, it's continuous act of denial. You know, if there were a poison being issued slowly to the entire population that was killing everyone and you

needed a job. You know, it would be acceptable for you to work at the plant manufacturing it, because you need a job in order to survive for your family. But the end result of what it is you're contributing to, you know, is often left out of the equation because it's not part of your very limited sort of you know what it is you can lay your hands and eyes upon, and for the most part, even among people that seem to be alternative, and I hate that word, I really do.

But if you want to consider yourself outside of the system and you're still participating in the system, guess what you're still contributing to the problem. Of course you are. Yeah, well, yeah, I'm one foot in, one foot out. That's all I can say, right, And unfortunately, any of us broadcasting has to at least have a toe in the system anyway,

And of course otherwise we can't have internet access. No, you know, at the very same time, and there's a train going by my house, you could probably hear it, those slow American ones, yes, sir, those slow American ones that seem to be going place to place and aren't carrying people. But nobody knows actually what they're carrying. Uh yeah, exactly. But it's private. It's going back to the money. It's it's the private

issuance of money which needs to be removed. As what I'm saying, Chuck, we need to Actually I know that you're I believe that you're did a lot on the JFK assassination, which would great to talk about, but apparently according to Dick Gregory, you know Dick Gregory, Yeah, they don't over this side of the pond. Actually, if you mentioned Dick Gregory, I

just founded by accident and I just thought he was an amazing guy. But there was an executive order that Kennedy made in sixty one sixty two where Executive Order one one zero where he was going to take the power of the Fed and put it back into the Treasury and the government Treasury would control it.

And they reckon that that was the reason why he was assassinated. I don't know what your thoughts are on that, because you really studied this subject well you know, and I hate when that comes up, and I'll tell you why. Unfortunately, you have yet again another red herring in your hands. And Dick Gregory has great intentions has always had great intentions for those who don't know who he was. This is uh, this is a black guy.

And I say black guy because I'm not going to sit here bothering with the whole African American I only did that out of respect because you know what here it is. I hate the assumption that's simply because someone's skin is dark that they have to have hailed from Africa. And what's the damn difference? Anyway.

The reason why it's even relevant that he's black is because he was doing this in the sixties and seventies as a comedian, as a as an outspoken individual politically, et cetera, et cetera, and found himself quite interested in the assassinations in the sixties and what they meant. And uh and greg Dick Gregory means very very well. And this idea about this executive order has been

bandied about throughout alternative information since there was this modern revival of it. Uh. You know, back to the days when Bill Cooper was doing shortwave broadcasts, he was talking about it. U. You know, Alex Jones and the and the likes of him still talk about it, and lots of documentaries still talk about it. But you know what the reality is. The reality

is this, It's actually an augmentation of an earlier executive order. And in essence, what it did was give a pre existing ready, a pre existing privilege of it of the executive branch over to the Treasury Department. Is all it did. That's the truth of it. These US notes, which people misidentify as purely soilber certificates, had a particular purpose. Their particular purpose had a lot to do with the amount of silver which was allegedly being held by

the federal Reserve banks at the time. And it's a really complex issue. But at the bottom of it all is this the executive order that everybody references. Try to read it. First of all, it is publicly accessible at this point. And guess what it doesn't say what most people in the media or trying to tell you. It says, it's an augmentation of an earlier

order. Like I said, And if you put the two of them together and understand what happened, Kennedy essentially turned over the mechanism by which the amount of these things being printed would be determined by his Treasury secretary, who at the time was se Douglas Dillon Ce Douglas Dillon was not somebody who was going to fight the Federal Reserve in any way, shape or form. In addition, okay these things, a lot of people alleged, well, they stopped

it right after they killed him. Actually, they were printed all the way up to nineteen seventy one. What is significant about nineteen seventy one and why they ceased to be printed at that point, is because the United States removed its very last vestiges of being involved in the precious metals markets regarding this mechanism in nineteen seventy one, when Nixon removed us, you know, the very last little bit of us from being on the gold standard in the United States.

And they were printed all the way up to seventy one. They were also printed as far back as as the nineteen thirties, which I personally demonstrated by plucking these by plucking some of these bills right out of the money supply, because some of them still circulate to this day. Monetarily, they were effectively demonetized. But as with any money that's old that survives, it still carries its space value. But the whole idea that this could be turned in

for silver is gone. And this was actually done by Nixon in nineteen seventy one, so it took him quite a while to get around to demonetizing these things, didn't it. You know. Also, if you don't believe me, and I'll tell you what don't. But if you think that a guy named G. Edward Griffin had something intelligent to say regarding the Federal Reserve, you know, the guy who actually wrote the book The Creature from Jackal Island.

If you think that he understands the Federal was and might understand this issue, then go ahead and enter into your Internet search something called the JFK myth right and G. Edward Griffin. Okay, you'll find that over fifteen years ago. G. Edward Griffin debunked this, and still it's being bandied about, And my own independent look at it forces me to agree with G. Edward Griffin. It is one of those things. And I was tricked by it for quite a long time too, because it made a lot of sense.

Now that all being said, JFK was engaged in beginning to disrupt the Federal Reserve. But you're not finding very many of these documents being made public. You have to search and sift to understand that he wanted re examinations. He wanted an audit. He wanted an audit. Now, now everybody thinks that Ron Paul came up with that idea, but no, he actually wanted an audit of the Federal Reserve and did these documents are fragmentary out there,

you can find this, right, I didn't know that. Like I said, I agree with you there, Chuck. The first ire to it was an audit was by rom Paul. Right. But you know what happened when Kennedy's death came in, a lot of legislation was passed, you know, based on the sympathy and all that. You know, the Civil Rights Acts and things like that that were passed under Johnson for the most part, were drafted under Kennedy. And you know, pretty much the sorry to say,

the sympathy votes and things like that. This is what overtakes most historians regarding what happened in the wake of the Kennedy assassination. You know, Johnson would have never had his great society. Johnson would have also never had the power to prosecute the Vietnam War the way he did, you know, and Kennedy was fighting a great many, a great many very large monster machines here.

Yeah, he was very much engaged in conflict at the military industrial complex, you know, he was very much engaged in conflict with his own military. They wanted to invade Cuba. They wanted full scale military action in more than one place in Southeast Asia in what they called Endo China at that point in time. They wanted, you know, stronger military action in Laos. They wanted stronger military actions in nations all over this country, Central America, South

America, parts of Africa. We actually parts of Africa were more being engaged by the intelligence community. The intelligence community was also fighting with especially Post Bay of Pigs, et cetera, et cetera. So really there's no end to the amount of suspects who would have liked a piece of his ass bottom line. But the Federal Reserve people point to this as evidence that they are the ones who actually controlled happened there when he was publicly executed in Dallas, you

know, on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. And unfortunately this is yet again another one of these very very poorly understood leads. If you can find me some other evidence that he did something that actually got done. Okay, that was actually completed, that caused the Federal Reserve in any way,

shape or form to even you know, hiccup, let me know. But quite honestly, he was preparing to take them on, just as he had already taken on the CIA, you know, the military contractors, and not necessarily on every level either, you know, you know, he was certainly picking his battles, and one of the things that he was most occupied with was trying to pry the CIA and other aspects of the intelligence community away from

the military, because the incestuous relationship was causing us all sorts of problems, not the least of which was the fiasco in Cuba, but also a lot of misdirection and uh and and the uh you know, and and misinformation regarding

what happened only three weeks before his assassination. Uh. You know, if it wasn't for the intelligence agency involvement there in Vietnam, you know, the the the whole thing that led to the assassination of DM and new uh, you know, the the presidents there at that the president and his brother,

I should say, of Vietnam at the time. You know, that whole thing was because of agency interference and what happened there, and we were still attempting to withdraw from Vietnam, and actually the Vietnam War would not have continued past the calendar year in nineteen sixty five had Kennedy lived right, you know.

And and that was in National Security Action Memorandum two sixty three, which was immediately reversed, you know, the the the draft was was started before his murder and completed and signed immediately following, I mean, before the dust even settled on his gravesite. We had a complete reversal of our policy in Vietnam, which seems to me to be a whole lot more a whole lot more interesting regarding who it was that wanted things changed by decapitating our government at

that time. But anyway, as I said, there's a lot of this out there though, regarding that and a great many other issues where people have found their way to certain facts or factoids that they believe are legitimate. And I don't blame them, except that I do beg you to actually read the documentation that people are citing before you, Yeah, before you make those kinds of pronouncements. Yeah, it's a plenty of Mindfield isn't it, Chuck, Really, it sure is sure, and it's meant to be that one of

course. Yeah, you know, because once again, the biggest ploy here is that let's keep them distracted from the real story as long as we can, because if we can do it long enough, most people will be dead by the time anybody figures it out, and who will care? You know, that's so true, right down to plastic bags. Okay, this is

Chuck o'chelli on the Graham Heart Show and enjoying every minute of it. Chuck, we'll take a little musical break for about ten minutes, folks, if you want to get in a cup of tea or do whatever you gotta do. We'll be back in ten minutes. And I'd like to ask you after the break, Chuck, a little bit about Bobby Kennedy, if you could, if you could give us some insight on that. Oh sure, okay,

we'll see it. About ten minutes, folks, simply read if you don't know me by now, preceded by the pretender's brassing pocket and before oh stop, we've done that, bastard. Excuse me, folks. Graham's got to have this little fuck up every week. I do sometimes click the shuffle button anyway. Welcome, But folks, I do stuff like that too. Oh good, Thanks, Chuck. I with Chuck O'Kelly on People's Internet Radio where we are seeking solutions, and we do have a donate button. Folks

and anyone around the world. Have you've got a few cens or a few euros to spare, please make a donation. This is what keeps us going, Chuck, Welcome back. I was just saying there before the break, very interesting on what you're saying about JFK. But I believe you've done a lot of research into Bobby Kennedy as well, which people don't know, they

know very little about it. Yeah, it's you know, it's a slightly different subject because of course Bobby was killed during his run for the presidency there yea in you know, which would have been for nineteen sixty eight, you know, and this was a much more strange situation in that and you know what it actually brings about the first, the first concept in the in the mainstream media here of the of the Middle Eastern terrorist almost because a man named

Sarhan. Sarhan was you know, convicted of the assassination uh Et cetera, et cetera. But there's been much speculation ever since about what actually happened. And uh sure, I've even talked to some of the people that were there that night, examined films, obviously, talked to even talked to one of the autopsis who was present. Uh, you know, and this and even in even uglier issue, you know, uh than than Kennedy's assassination, because this, although it was also in public, it was you know, at

uh it was in the hotel. I mean, I don't know how familiar people are with all of this, but the Ambassador Hotel there in Los Angeles, California. Uh, you had a situation where you had just given a speed which you know, they had just won the California primary. Yeah, and he was then going to go to Illinois next and and continue his run, which you know, most people believe would have been quite successful. And of course his viewpoints. I dare say, we're even stronger in the very

same direction as his brothers. But we're even stronger. I think we We certainly again would have had another cessation of hostilities in Vietnam long before the mid seventies. We would have had a massive and market change regarding the out of control intelligence communities. You know, Bobby Kennedy was one of these people who had for the most part, been in opposition to even j Edgar Hoover's chickanery

on a domestic level. I mean, the entire you know, the entire attitude of you know, of the country, the entire you know, display of what it is we were doing on the world stage would have been would have been so remarkably different had he not been killed at the time he was.

But of course this is also just a few months after doctor Martin Luther King was killed of course, Demphis, Tennessee, which is another situation I studied as well, because I see these three assassinations and the uh, you know, and and and actually a few others that people forget to mention, uh, you know, the death of Medgar Evers, the death of Malcolm

X. Yeah. Uh. There was a concerted effort in this country to silence opposition to the establishment, essentially, and even if it was a somewhat establishment opposition in some cases, you know, like Bobby Kennedy was by no means a you know, a wild, wide eyed rebel when it comes down

to it. But he was a whole lot more interested in doing the right thing for the people of this country than then, I dare say any politician that we see on the scene today, and and uh, you know, even if you have a vague understanding of what he was about, you know, think about this, if if he was standing on that stage with Hitlary you know, uh uh you know what was it a week ago? Now?

Uh? And yes I did say Hitlary Clinton, if you know, because I've got no love for either side of this party, you know, you know. And and the joke of somebody like Donald Trump on the alleged other side from complete. But let's leave it alone. If you imagine that that he was standing on that stage with her, having accomplished, uh, you know what he had accomplished, and having been of the character he was, uh, you know, tell me who would even bother to uh to

talk to Bill's husband? Excuse me, wife, you know, tell me, tell me, you know what it would it have made any sense? Or how about this? Do you think would be in better shape if a guy like John F. Kennedy was in office today as opposed to Barack Obama. Remember they're actually both a legedly on the same side of the aisle. Both were Democrats, allegedly. Actually, quickly going back to JFK, no one's asking in the in the chat box, what does your guest think about

James Files who claimed he killed JFK. That's new to me. Actually, yeah, James Files, his real name is Sutton. Studied that quite a

bit too, to see what kind of validity there was. In my estimation, He's not a he's not a reliable witness of any kind and did not participate in the assassination, especially given the newer information, because forensic techniques have changed, and you know, crime scene investigation experts who have looked at this from an objective point of view will tell you at this point that there was no forensic evidence whatsoever for a shot from the Grassy Knoll having been the head

shot on JFK. And that's after examining the the X rays and well the bootleg autopsy photographs that have made it out into the public because quite legitimately, the autopsy photos, which the proper actual autopsy photos, are held in a special place with the National Archives where you have to actually get permission from the

Kennedy family in order to view them. So any of these images that you see out on the Internet or anywhere else actually come from a bootleg set of autopsy photos that were leaked out by a secret service agent named James Fox at one point. But anyway, all of that aside File story is incongruous with any evidence that we actually have and is one of those unfortunate things that you know, listen, I can make a lot of claims about different things in

history. I mean, look, I was in New Jersey on the day nine to eleven happened. You know what, I was actually in contact with plenty of Middle Eastern people based on the business that I was engaged in at the time. I tell you, quite honestly, you could easier draw a correlation to me being an involved participant in nine to eleven based on the official

story than you could drawing James Files legitimately into the assassination. You know, it's a lot of speculation, and it's being pushed by one particular individual who does profit off of the sale of interviews and books. And there you go surrounding this guy. Yeah, there you go. There's so many in this truth movement making money. You know. I stopped when I got to start a pay Bucks to join your website and things like that, likes of Deal, Dean Clifford, et cetera. You know, and I don't. I

don't begrudge anybody selling selling people any fiction they want. I just wish you would identify it as fiction. Exactly exactly. Again, I got this from Dick Gregory Chuck about the the shot that actually killed him. Apparently there was footage cut from the Zebruta film where the car actually stopped, and he was claiming that a shot came from the drain Have I asked you this before when I was on the Martin I can't remember, you know, I don't recall

if you have, because I'm asking this question all the time. Okay, okay, and I'm not sure if you did too. But you know, people from all over the planet asked me this question, and it's again not a simple answer. I wish I could give one. If you think, though, that we're talking about a shot from the street level literally the drainage great and the you know, on the curb there. Yeah, if you think that that's what we're talking about, then I can give you a flat

answer that that's not possible. Okay, all right, now, if you're talking about a shot from the drainage system which ran you know, all throughout Daley Plaza, which runs to the Triple Underpass, and you're talking about the possibility of a shooter disappearing into the drain system over by the Triple Underpass, which is the bridge which you see the car go under. Yes, And if you view the Jack Daniels film, you'll see that the guy's name was

Jack Daniel that actually shot it from the other side of the bridge. If you view that, you get a better look at the bridge. But anyway, if you note that there might have been someone there that disappeared into the drain I will give you that possibility because of the forensics and because of the

lack of photography that would have captured it and things like that. That's a possibility, and a very good one at that, especially again given modern you know, forensic techniques like by somebody like Sherry Feaster, who wrote a book called let Me Think for a Moment, Enemy of the Truth, and there's

a subtitle to it as well. But if you look up Sherry Feaster Enemy of the Truth, she actually from a modern cs I sort of perspective describes for you, you know, exactly how you can eliminate a whole lot of these other scenarios. If someone shot from the grassy knoll, there's a no evidence for it, and b they would have had to have missed unless they were the one who struck Connolly Ye, which which again would be a weird orientation and it's hard to believe. But anyway, the scoring the head shot

from the grassy nooll did not happen. And if you again look at the entirety of the drainage system, if somebody was standing over by the bridge and disappeared into the drain I give you that as a possibility, and I think that's actually where the person who scored the kill shot would had to have likely been shooting from. Yeah, it seemed like that direction would sort of fit

in with the way his head went back. It seemed like more you know when I when I heard that first, I thought that that's the most sensible explanation I've listened to, because the trajectory of the shot from from ad would seem to make more sense than any I've seen before. Oh my god, we had so many to deal with, so again they're fucking with our heads. Certain they they have through the years, and they continue to do so now and about the Zabruterer film. And this is always a touchy subject among

anybody who studies the assassination the Zubruter film. Undoubtedly, in my mind this now is my opinion based on a lot of different examinations. And I've even had this thing blown up so that it could be projected in a life size of fashion. Of course, my copy at that time probably was not as good as what you can get from the National Archives. Now you can actually obtain a forensic copy, but it's pain in the neck and it's very expensive

of what's allegedly the original. Here's the thing, the film has definitely been altered. Even if you're someone who doesn't believe in conspiracy in any way, shape or form. There was damage done to the film allegedly when it was in the hands of Time Life, so there have been parts of it excised, for sure. Fascinating. The other thing is that this idea of the limo stop, yes, I do believe, is a matter of a distortion

of memory. To give you an example, you know, if you're involved in an automobile accident, you may have recall of a great many details a piece of paper flying up off the dashboard, you know, other things flying around the car that normally your naked eye would not pick up on because they happened so quickly and we're not part of your focus and all of that. But if you had some sort of warning and your adrenaline is kicked up,

you can almost actually feel as though time was slowed down. And remember a great many details about a situation that lasted a second or two. Is there a slow down of the limousine? There certainly is, And you don't have to look for excise frames of the subruter film to see it. If you very carefully examine it, you can see that break lights were applied. Oh at one point, you know, I never noticed that. Yeah, Actually, if you pay very close attention, you'll see that the lights do come

on briefly and there was definitely a slowdown. Now is that a confusion of the driver? Is that a reaction? Is that just the fact that he was sort of slowing his role there doing the eleven miles per hour, which was against secret service protocols at the time and still to this day. In the vehicle with the president in it was this you know, a lot of speculation can be had from it. But when it comes to the limo stop, I say, you're looking in the wrong direction, because again there is

no actual evidence for it. Eyewitness testimony is always problematic, you can find, you know, and they do this even as a demonstration when they're showing you, you know, at least they used to. In some law schools, they would have someone run into the classroom and do something rather abruptly and run out, and then have each person who was in close proximity to what

the person just did write their description of what happened. And you'll find that, you know, five people will give you five different descriptions of what happened. You know, one person notices the shoes, another person, you know, they'll give you the wrong race. Everything. Eyewitness testimony is problematic in

this way. So I think, again, this is one of those things that's been harped on and sort of produced, as you know, another grand distraction, and not necessarily by people that are engaged with that idea in mind that that's what they want to do, but that is the end result of

what they're doing one way or another. And then again there may be people who have nefarious purposes about keeping us quite distracted, you know, because even the Kennedy assassination at this point, to go back the whole Jewish question, yeah, and I said that phrase again, Jewish question will tell you that this was, you know, an Israeli operation, and that he was assassinated by Jews and meyer Lansky using his connections in the mob is tied to it,

and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And this again is

you know, another grand distraction. The mafia in this country and any organized crime in this country does not have the power well, not any organized crime, excuse me, any of the organized crime that you would normally identify as organized crime does not have the power to operate the cover up ever after, which has occurred because more than half a century later, we still have the resistance of government agencies and entities of all sorts to allow information to even be

released to the public regarding the facts of the case. Even as we speak. And to give you a grand example of that, even things that were declassified previously have been reclassified regarding the Kennedy assassination. Okay, and believe it or not, there are documents that you could have legitimately you know gotten a hold of as a researcher which have been reclassified. And here's the fun part.

If you call it the National Archives and you say to them, listen, I want to be in compliance with the law, and I don't want to be in possession of classified documents and therefore be in violation of the law. Can you tell me which ones I should surrender back to you? They'll tell you that they can't even give you that list because it's classified. It sounds like a joke, doesn't that, Graham? It is, but it's real. And here's the other thing that I always throw in there as well.

And let us not forget this. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated in the eighteen hundreds. A lot of people don't know that there are documents related to Lincoln's assassination, which, by the way, that wasn't alone. Nut. Let's not forget that that even the government must admit that that wasn't alone. Nut. Despite the fact that people like to say that John Wilkes Booth acted all by himself, you know, there were actually individuals hung for the conspiracy to

murder Lincoln. And I'm not even saying that all of them were rightfully hung. For the crime. But I'm saying to you that they present that to you as a loan nut scenario as well. Well, guess what, folks, there are documents related to the assassination of President Lincoln that are classified at this particular time. As I speak, I will stays that way until we

get there. Yeah. Well, but how long does it take? I mean, no one is alive from the Lincoln assassination, probably their children wouldn't be alive from the Lincoln assassination, and yet the truth is still withheld. Yeah, so you know, just something to keep in mind. That's all. Well it is. I've certainly I think the last twelve months have been mind blowing. People say, I think someone said in the chap box you

know, you know, it doesn't matter, it's in the past. Yeah, I take your point there, fair, But at the same time, we have to know the truth before we can move forward. If we don't know what mistakes we made before, we're going to make them again, which really I want to fast forward and fast backtrack a long way really or not, but back to the Second World War, I don't know. I don't know if you've watched the film The Greatest Story Ever Told? By Adolf Hitler,

the greatest story ever told Chuck Dennis Wise film. I'm not sure if I recall exactly that when I've watched a lot of films. Okay, so you know, Okay, you would know if you'd seen it, because it's six and a half hours long, so you would have remember. But he exposed some quite amazing facts of that about Hitler that that blew me away. So you have no I don't know what your thoughts were about the Second World War, who started it and why it was started. Well, again,

we're not being given the truth, you know. And to give a little bit of credence to those who are not necessarily Holocaust deniers, but those that question the Holocaust, you got to say that that accuracy being given to us regarding that entire scenario is not something that you can rely on. First of all. Secondly, I look at the fact that people credit someone like Fritz Tyson or Tiessen, depending on how you want to describe how you want to

pronounce his name being credited. Sorry about that, Sorry about that. It's my faults, the problem. I thought we were going to be interrupted there now again my fault shit broadcasting. Caryl and Chuck, Sorry, no problem. You know, when people want to credit Fritz Tyson or Teason with being the main financier behind the Third Reich, they failed to understand that there is

a great deal of finance which has not been accounted for. We do find later on that, you know, that there were many American concerns that were actually supporting the Third Reich directly. Yeah, okay, uh not not the least of which was what, you know, the Bank of New York there, which of course a guy named Prescott Bush was actually sitting on the board of thank you very much, and a whole lot of other interesting players, you know. And the thing is, I think that the truth regarding any

of this stuff has has has yet to have been fully revealed. It seems to me as though, and this is my overall conclusion about it, is that the United States government uh and and the United's and and business people, let's say, the industrialists in the US very clearly UH supported, profited from and uh and and quite honestly gave a great deal of the fuel in a literal sense and inter figurative sense, to the rise of what people call the

Third Reich at this point. And then they cashed in on their investment later by taking people back through things like Operation paper Clip and other recapturing mechanisms that allowed us to take back Nazi scientists, that allowed us to take back psychiatrists, psychologists, you know, the the intelligence community, people that we could gather, anything we could gather as a result of what we had cultivated with the Third Reich, it seems to me, was brought back to the US.

And I mean Berner von Braun was, you know, part of our space program after being you know, after working on the Nazi rocket program, the V two and all that, which which was part of what well, what terrorized London for a bit there, didn't it? Yeah, you know, and this guy being folded into our space program and everything else. You have, you know, various individuals that you can trace back, and I bet you there's a whole lot you still haven't heard about that that came in

to influence things in this country, like psychology, like pharmaceuticals. You know, let's not forget that. It's you know, the Bare Aspirin company who developed something called heroin. Yes, I said, the Bear Aspirin Company developed something called heroin in order to what helped to deal with people that were addicted to morphine. It was meant to be a way to get people off of morphine. I kid you not, that's just the thirty version of morphine,

isn't it? Well pretty much? Isn't that funny? It's all you know, opiate based crap. Yeah, you know. And then you look at people like the Rockefellers profiting off of things like methadone, clinics and g isn't drug addiction and the pushing of drugs really more of a corporate and government occupation as opposed to you know, the street dealers that they like to show us, you know, in reality, I mean, they got to get it

from somewhere, not all of mona poppy field. But anyway back to it, World War two is one of those things that is still in need of dissection because there is a great deal that has been hidden from us. You know, the occult aspects of what happened are some of the things. And now now it's like, okay, now he's gone off the rails because you know, the whole idea about them searching for artifacts and all that other stuff. I mean, what are we talking about Raiders of the Lost arc here?

Chuck, Well, guess what, there's more sometimes a fact in fiction than you might want to imagine. Yeah. Absolutely, and they put it in the films for us, and they sure do, they sure do. They always give us hints. Yes, yes, So I'm finding out. So I'm finding out. I could talk about Hitler for hours. But as you've not seen that film, Chuck, I have, as you've noticed, to drop you the links and I've dropped them again into the chapbox. Folks.

That's the greatest story never told. Adolf Fitler, I big a part adalp Phitler, the greatest story I ever told. And Dennis Wise new work, which is Communism by the back Door. And Dennis will be back in a very short while, Chuck, with the last into the well into the last half hour. Now, currently we moved to the present and your views on what's going on in the Middle East and especially Palestine. Palestine for me, is the great opportunity if we don't stop what's going to happen in Palestine.

I mean, the place is probably got what four or five years at the most, and what's going on, the violence that's going on now. We can only do it through this. If you're not going to use alternative. I got to say this form of media, what are your thoughts on how we can we can break these bastards down? Because this, you know, it's a it's collective punishment. Where do where do we go with these

people? Then? To me, it is the greatest opportunity we've ever had for freedom if we can all put our stuff down and concentrate on Palestine. As Fairport said earlier in the chat room, it's about now. Well, there's nothing more now than Palestine. These people are suffering horrific crimes against them, day in day out for the past sixty eight years, and if we

can concentrate on that, then maybe maybe we can move forward. That's why I think I think the Truth movement for one of a better term, needs to concentrate on Palestine more than anything. I don' want your thoughts our Chuck, Hello, Chuck. Oh that's nice. My stream's not gone down. We go there, we go, We're back. Yeah, what are you saying that? What are your thoughts now on the best go forward on Palestine? Because I believe this is the greatest opportunity we've ever had for freedom.

If we can crack the Palestine nut, all right. Well, I'm going to say again, what is not going to make me very popular, but I believe that this is the reality that we're confronted with. It is not the most criminal state on the planet, but it is certainly being supported by every other criminal state, so might as well be the most criminal state on the planet. Yeah, there are the evidence points to this. As far as I'm concerned, we are actually not going to see a cessation of this.

The overlapping, you know, sort of acquiescence from all of the supporting cast of characters has led to this, and I think that what you're really going to see as an acceleration of the slaughter, You're going to see an acceleration of the hostilities there. And at this point of time, it is

already essentially a done deal. And the odd thing is that for the most part, the majority of the masses do not understand the amount of bloodshed and uh and and and the amount that has already gone on, you know, of punishment to these people that you know that we're there to begin with. You know, that was sixty eight years now, that's the five years before I was born. Oh yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy, but it

is getting more horrific at their every day It certainly is. But I mean the truth is that that as bad as you think it is now, yeah, it's I do believe it's going to accelerate. Well, it will do with the greater, the Greater Israel project. I mean, that's that's taking place right now in Syria and in Yemen. Oh yeah, well you see. And that yet again is integrated with other problems which we don't hear about

Yemen. That we don't hear about Yemen, that that's not mentioned, that half the country, half the population, does no water and six million are starving. We don't. We don't hear nothing of that, not even in the alternative media, right, we don't hear about it at all. And this is something that I said about sometime last year. I said, look to that to be the next big problem, because that's you know, we heard about it briefly, that Yemen may fall. That was it in the

United States, and then it went away. But this all has to do with our engagement in Iraq Afghanistan. Are again poking the stick at the caged animal that is Iran, which we are greatly responsible for the condition there as well. Ever since the nineteen fifties. We are greatly responsible for the condition of Iraq, We are greatly responsible for you know, Afghanistan. Not the same kind of player as these others, but we are greatly responsible for all

of this damage having been done. And when I say we, I do mean the United States. And so long as we continue to engage in this behavior, we're really playing with some tremendous fire, you know. And what is unfortunate is that I do believe we're going to see at some point the formation of a more organic version. We have the European Union, we've heard

about the American Union. But I do think that you're going to see a formation very very soon of individuals who are sick and tired of this game being played by all sorts of foreign entities in the Middle East. And when they do it, they're going to put together something that we're not going to be able to handle from the West, and they're going to have a very legitimate sense of outrage and desire for vengeance against those who they feel have punished their

entire populations for far too long. Notice. I did not mention the concept of the Muslim question. It is very, very far flung from that it is now becoming a regional question. Yes, where if these individuals decide to work together to deal with us actively, you know you're going to have a massive conflict which is going to get out of control very very quickly. You know, the bulcanization of Araq, which nobody even wants to look at,

has done a whole lot more damage than you might think. And meanwhile, who has actually benefited. I'm having a great deal of trouble figuring that out. Back to the Israeli and Palestinian question, Sadly, I've got to tell you this, you ain't seen nothing yet. That is why it is so important to focalize just on Palestine. We have so many problems. I mean, my god, I don't know where to start. That's just with day

to day problems of child stealing, pedophelia, child trafficing, corruption. I mean, if you go back to the thirdies when the mob gave you protection, money out there, chuck, and at least you've got protection. You don't gaddy with this lot you've signed up with. That's hysterical. Because I know a little bit about the history of the mafia as well, and you

know I say this all the time, and people laugh. But the truth is, you know, at least when you paid the Italians or the Russians or the Chinese, you had a good chance that, you know, you might actually get something for your money. Yeah, you know, they might

not let your shop get burned down. And in fact, you know, if you were in a neighborhood with one of these with one of these guys who was a prominent member of one of these groups, whether they be LC or they be you know, the the Russians or any of them, basically you know you lived in one of the safest neighborhoods in that city. Baby, that's the truth. But you know what, nowadays, you pay protection money and you get nothing for it. It's actually not something that you even

decide you're going to pay or not pay. It's just taken from you in the case of taxation, and look at what it's bought. Nothing. You know, more corruption. It's just more corruption, more and more corruption. And it does make me want And this also does give a lot of credence to those that talk about the concept of Zionism being an important player when it comes to the Grand Conspiracy that does not care for us, the people, us, the population I've got to give them a credit where credit is due.

When you take a look at the fact that all these other criminal governments are feeding into this one very small criminal government over there, which would most likely collapse if it did not have the support of all these nations all over the planet. Well, you know, it does make you wonder why that's

happening. And like I said, it's really bizarre to watch these clowns in our alleged presidential selection process have to pledge their allegiance not even to this country right away, but the first mention of their desire to make sure that they work on the behalf of the people or a nation, is to Israel in

these live broadcasts. Right It's rather bizarre, and it almost seems like, you know, again, and I point to this and people think I'm anti Christian for it, But you know, those that think that armageddon is an inevitability, and those that believe that that a worldwide cataclysm that must be a grand war across the planet must come, you know, as a result of their Savior returning, I find it interesting that that they quite often do things

to provoke that result, as opposed to waiting for God's schedule to get around them, because this is really what's happening. I mean, if you have you know, if you have a massive acceleration and you take a look at these these regions, like like Persia and ancient Assyria and all of these things, and you overlay them on the modern map, you'll see that the Western civilizations are screwing around with exactly the areas that that are mentioned in the Biblical

text. Of course, I'm sure they didn't bother to read the Biblical text, but let's just say they did for a moment. You know, you couldn't map it out any better than what they're doing right now. No, it's absolutely perfection, and the Greater Israel project is well and truly underway. That's that's planed for all to see. There was Soul puts in the chat box, putin, might halt, might halt Israel. Well, I've seen a couple of an article a couple of days Soul that showed them Putin and

Israel doing flights exercises, doing flight exercises over Syria. So I think we can say goodbye to mister Putin. I don't think he's you know, he's one of the mob. Anyway, Well, he's just another elite that that has a particular ego. You know. People forget that this is one of the richest guys on the planet too, you know, And what is his

stake in the game. Who knows. But I dare you to find a nation, you know, that is far separated from Israel, that's not being attacked by Israel, that isn't giving it money, that isn't giving it some sort of support, that isn't giving it technology access to allowing it to spy upon them things like that. You know, it's perfectly excusable for them to continuously spy upon us in this country, although they're allegedly an ally of ours. You know, once again, it's just I don't know why it is,

but it's being The great mess is being fed. And I'm telling you that what we've seen so far, as reprehensible, as repugnant, as absolutely despicable as it has been, it is merely the very beginning of what is yet to come. And it's going to come a lot faster than people predict. I think in the next five years, we're going to be talking about this particular day, this particular type of time, as almost a time peace in that region as opposed to what they're about to do. Yeah, but

the way of Palestine will be the way of the world. That's the trouble, and people can't see it coming. Oh yeah, but it won't necessarily be the Jewish task masters that are going to do it all over the planet. There are many people waiting to do this. Yeah, and you know, and and you're correct, though, this is exactly the kind of treatment that's going to come upon any population that that really just wants to hold on to what they have and uh and and be themselves in their own lands.

This is why I think it's so important that we keep it at the top of the agenda. People won't see that, they can't see it at the moment, but it will be the way of the world. If these are the only people on the planet, folks that are not controlled by the Zionists. Well true, But unfortunately when people ask me what the solution is,

I don't have one. Because even if I could, if I could wait a magic wand you know, and and control things in my own country and suddenly make my own country lawful and moral overnight, guess what, even if you took America out of the equation. Israel is still being fed by a great many other individuals all over the planet, and the purposes. All I can think of is that, you know, people want to see the great

conflict there. They want to see it because they think it's part of the plan and they think they're on the side of good in one way or another by bringing it about. This is the only this is the only reasonable thing that I can see. And therefore we're dealing with a psychosis that that I can't fully comprehend. No, but we we can call them in under their own rules. I mean, they are. They are in breach of Article

thirty three of the fourth Geneva Convention for collective punishment against the Palestinians. And on that, and on that alone, they should they should be brought to the Hagen and probably hanged, which every way you want to take it. But all countries, our governments are in breach of the Geneva Convention Article thirty three collective punishment. These people have been walled in since two thousand and seven. Is are two thousand and eight, and they're still there. Nothing can

get in, nothing can get out. It's a crazy situation. So our governments need to be called to account on that one issue alone, and I think we need to concentrate on that one issue alone if we're going to do anything. If the way of Palestine will be the way of the world, but the way of Palestine, if we win, then we're free. Yeah. But see, here's the thing. I would love to believe that.

But if that were the case, then all I would need to see is one thing, and that is a guy like Tony Blair and a guy like George W. Bush both need to be made to make the purp walk to the fact that they participated in war crimes in Iraq, absolutely in Afghanistan. But at this point it's a joke. It doesn't even matter anymore. You know, war criminals everywhere, and none of them wanting to prosecute each other. This is the condition we find ourselves in because the prosecutors are not in

the pockets of the villains. They are the very same villains anymore. And unless we come up with a new solution to this, the old ways of doing business are not going to address it. You know, I constantly have a guest on my program who was a witness at Abu Grab and people think it's a lot of jokes where people had bags put over their head and they strip guys down naked. But that's not the total truth of what went on

in the prison system of a rock. There were people burned alive, bones broken, you know, and as young as fifteen and sixteen years of age. There were you know, individuals brought about to have organ failure, you know, through the torture system that was erected. You know. And this is I'm calling out the United States government on this because they calling it the Crown, Chuck, and the Crown as well. It's the Crown. It's the Crown. They run, they run. The whole show America is just

ah what they call it a franchise of the crime Corporation. Absolutely, and and and I bring up that point and I'm called crazy here as well. That you know, when people say, well, gee, you know, what about what do you think about what happened during the Revolutionary War? Uh?

You know, I often say did we actually win? I don't believe so, uh you know, but but either way, yeah, calling out the Crown, you know what, You're exactly correct, But of course I would I would uh first call out my own people for participating in it. Uh, and then, of course we need to get to all of them. Uh. And until such time as we begin making everyone answer for their crimes against humanity on one form or another, we're not going to solve these

sorts of things. And in the meantime, you know, if we allow it in one place, it will happen everywhere, just like you're saying, if we allow this to happen in Palestine, it'll continue to happen to all of us. It is an absolute reality. It's an absolute truth. But I wish I knew what mechanism we needed. It doesn't currently exist to truly fight back at this point, because, like I said, if it did, then you know that that idiot w and mister Blair would both be in

chains as we speak. Oh absolutely, and a hell of a lot more beside for other crimes. Oh yeah, those are the most notable names that I can give you. Yeah. Absolutely, there's going to be a lot more. There's going to be a lot more people around those who would go with them. But again, Chuck, that's why I say, we have to concentrate on Palestine and what's going on there, and we must bring that to the attention of the people. There's a lot of stuff coming out now.

I know some stuff come out of shootings this week, of proof that the so called Palestinians throwing stones were actually Israeli infiltration. These things are coming up and they need to be pushed. I think Palestine is that the greatest opportunity we have and the probably the only opportunity we have, and we need

to push that out there and get that out there. And we'd also need to recognize that they are in breach of Article thirty three of the Geneva Convention, and either enough people become awake and we really shift these bostards out or we do it through their system. Well, it's going to be all or

nothing. Yeah, this is what the problem is. And that means that every single one of the criminals need to be brought to justice, and in fact, we need to also stop fueling the criminal organizations as best we can and disengage from the system with which they wield against us. You know, I also point to the fact that, you know, the American Empire is in just about every nation on the planet. Of course, we're being utilized as the attack dogs for those that wish to push all sorts of a g

This worldwide. Nobody's even talking about what's going on in Africa. No, not at all. We haven't got time, right, you know. I'm just saying that the whole thing needs to be dismantled, you know. And and unless we do that, I don't think we're going to get at this conglomeration, this fixation on what is allegedly Israel. Uh, you know, would I like to see it happen? Sure, but I'd like to see I'd like to see all of these criminal acts across the planets cease. And

well, they are public trustees, that's all. They are public trustees. They work for us. Would suppose exactly? Would you would you? Would you think so? You would think so? And the will of the majority is supposed to be able to speak to them, And that is also another illusion at this point in time, you know, or people are not aware of it. Chuck, Well, there is the question of awareness when it

comes to Palestine. I mean, when I ask average American what they think about it, they really don't have any thoughts on it, or if they do, they again, you know, lean right on the old party line, which is, well, you know, we need to support them because there are only friends over there. They're nobody's friends, you know, and we need to understand that, uh, that that nation state is a criminal state. They're not a state. I won't recognize them. Actually, they

said they found they found water on Mars, Chuck. The first the first thing that came to my mind was at last a Jewish homeland. But then that's just me, not On's asking in the chop box. Who controls the Hamas and PLO leaders. Well, the Hamas are an electric government as far as I'm aware, I don't know what you've got any thoughts on that, Chuck. Most of the oppositions to Israel are in one way or another, were constructed as oppositions. Yep, just like well they created a mass,

I'm sorry, Israel created a mass. Oh yeah, yeah, and they thought they was going to win and things were going to change. But I don't know what it went on there. But when they started complaining about the checkpoints they ship at the fun yeah of course. But there's another organization over

there which which was created by a foreign government as well. You know, just like when people talk about al Qaeda, isis, all of these groups with these titles are generally manufactured opposition to give the appearance, to give the

appearance that there is some power being wielded by the other side. You know, if there wasn't a hamas, if there wasn't a PLO and it was just people that had no organization that was actually supposed to be fighting on their side, you might look a whole lot more criminal, you know, because it would just be people being destroyed by the great you know, collective entity. Uh. And and this is why a lot of times support for the opposition, which is which is you know, not very effective as far as

getting anything done. I mean, tell me this, what have they actually gotten done to uh to slow down discontinuous slaughter of the Palestinian people? Uh? Not much nothing, But they you know, nothing can be done.

Nothing, nothing that I can see. No one's doing nothing or saying nothing that that the Palestinians don't get don't they don't get a word on on mainstream I mean it's absolutely bloody disgraceful mainstream news the way they and I find also that that I say this quite often, but I don't mind keep saying it either that the people who give out this information are as guilty, they're as complicit as the government because they're disinforming the public, right, and I advise

everybody to be extremely careful about what it is they take as legitimate information from that region, because every time and I do mean every single time, that I can get into contact and I don't even want to divulge names, but I can get into contact with individuals who are actually on the ground over there.

Right, I'm going to tell you that no matter where, even if it comes out of your mouth, Graham, if it comes out of the alternative media's mouth, if every once in a while they do show the criminal activity of the alleged state of Israel, guess what it is A fraction, a very small fraction of what is actually happening on the ground there. Yeah, okay, it is far worse than even we imagine. It is far worse than what the alternative media is telling you. The punishment of these people

is beyond criminal. Yes, yes, okay. Is unearthly. It really is. It really is, And it leads me far past the idea of you know, it doesn't seem to me as though anybody who's even related to the alleged Jewish religion has anything to do with it. It seems otherworldly. It really does Graham. They have no empathy. There are And this is another thing too, Chuck. I think there are so many people in the masses. They don't believe the people who run the countries or run the governments.

They don't believe that it's possible to be so lacking in empathy. They don't believe they exists. That's another big problem as well, is to try to get people to understand. Look, the people whore running this world are evil bastards. You know that is hard to get across. Why I knew it was true. I see that on the TV. How the hell do

you deal with those people? Yeah, well, when when you tell me that it makes sense to drench children in sewage, When you tell me that the kidnapping and disappearing of individuals who were merely attempting to travel on open roads, who did not show any sort of outward opposition even to the alleged government, is just fine. When you tell me that dismembered bodies being found randomly, seemingly in villages is acceptable or is some sort of strategic thing that can

be done. I'm describing for you a couple of things that I've been able to verify via various sources that I know occur, not once, not once in a while, not during a particular conflict. But I'm telling you are part of the constant that occurs over there. So I say to the listener, imagine living in that situation, regardless of what your political view is, your religious belief is. Tell me something, does this even seem as though this is the behavior of one human being to another? Is not? It's

not. It's just pure evil. It's just it's just pure evil. Not on what was Morsey that this is? I have no under no idea what you're talking about, not on it. But I'm hoping Chuck will was Morsey. Oh shit, See, I'm having a lot of fun tonight. I keep clicking wrong buttons. Not for the first time he's noticed bad is going to get a plastic bag? Was Morsey going to give the Palestinians a part

of the Siani? Does that make any sense to you? There's lots Yeah, there's lots of negotiations regarding you know, the dispensation of land, the dispensation of rights. Are we going to recognize this? Are we going to recognize that? Uh? This is all in irrelevant distraction, Okay, Okay, it really does not matter if you're going to torture a massive people.

Yeah, until and that's what it is. It is the wholesale torture and murder without any sort of you know, retribution being visited upon a military entity. Yeah, you know, as a constant, as a constant, not like you know last year or this happened during a conflict. This is a continuous as we speak. I assure you that are individuals that are dying being tortured, being you know, like I said, being doused with chemicals or being doused with sewage. I could not believe that when I heard it.

No, it's it's time. By the way, it's quite incredible what's going on there. And I've just like the I'd like to finish with this, Chuck. We're running forty seconds. God no, how so tuned tonight, folks. Chuck, thank you very much for coming on. It's been an absolutely fantastic to have you there. You've been a brilliant guest. I really enjoyed talking to you. I'd just like to leave you with a couple of lines from our own pot Felden. The whole reality, the old reality of

legality is everywhere and all information is a construct of deceit. Lose the fear, sell yourself free and live life, says part We are all sovereign. Spread the knowledge of your sovereignty of all people. And with that chuck out. Chelly. Thank you so much. You've been great. I've really enjoyed talking to you. Thank you, sir, Thank you, sir. Well done. Pet. By the way, God bless you tonight. I've already

gone over folks. Sorry Joanne, who's up with your marsh falls right now with John Martin guitarist who've had some et experience, I believe, says interesting. Folks, thank you very much for your company, and I'll speak to you next week. Until then, have a good one.