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nine five two seven five zero one six. We're in the age of transitions. We're in the midst of it. We're in the middle of it. So many things are happening. We got lots of irons in the fire. We're is doing so much. So much progress as being made on so many different fronts. There's a lot to try to keep up with. You're not going to keep up with it. So I'll say right now, don't feel bad when you don't, because it's not possible. That hasn't been for a

long time. In this mass society we live in, this weird modern world is only speeding up with every passing second, the speed of things increasing. You can't do it, So don't feel bad that you can't. Don't think that you need to. Nobody knows actually what they're doing as each and every passing day goes by. I subscribe more to the ship of fools interpretation of the way the world runs. It's not to say that there aren't people pulling

levers of power in different spots. There aren't people that are have vested special interests of all different varieties. There is certainly a dominant minority. There's such thing as oligarchy. Undue influence, as Zi big new Brazinski would say, is a real thing. So yes, we understand that. But even with that, I mean, the people who really think a whole lot of themselves. I can tell you the people that own everything, you know, the

billionaire class and whatnot, they sure think very highly of themselves. There's no doubt of that. I myself have never well, actually no, I have met a billionaire before. Never mind, I can only well when I've run across a couple of them. It's both at the same time, actually back in two thousand and nine during a Singularity summit thing. But I can't really even talk to either one of them, have a conversation, so that doesn't

really count. From friends who have interacted more with them, that's uh, you know, it's again just the short version of the story is they think a lot of themselves. They don't think very much for anybody else. That's what I gather from secondhand accounts what that's worth. But anyway, who cares about them? They're just got way more power than they really ought to have. That's so who cares? So meanwhile, there is a very interesting I

mean, there's tensions all around between everybody. Everybody's at each other's throat. Everybody's got differences, so we do have to remember that, like anytime that you're tempted to go like full on everything, there's like a deep, deep conspiracy where everybody's tied together and working together. There's aspects of reality of the working together at the top, but there's also you know, everybody's pretty much looking out for themselves and doing what they can subterfuge and all that stuff.

So do you remember that the face of American foreign policy is something that I think deserves probably more attention than what it's getting. You don't hear a whole lot about it. All you hear is just this concept of our general antagonism toward Russia and China, and then to lesser extent countries like Iran and are growing discontent, mutual discontent between ourselves and Saudi Arabia. That's quite interesting too. So a lot of things changing quite rapidly from what they were. If

you go a decade back in time, things were a lot different. International relations were not what they are today, for sure, a lot of stuff going on, so keep your eye on that. But also in the context of Cold War two point zero, which I haven't heard that term used as of late, it was bandied about quite a bit like a year or two

ago. I remember it being used regularly as like a buzz term. Seems like they kind of discarded that one, like they don't want to use It makes sense that, you know, a reminder of the original Cold War might not be advantageous to the establishment, so to speak, seeing as how we are able to draw lessons seeing it's been such a time in retrospect, we can actually learn a couple of things that went on during a Cold War, you know, we can do that much, And so drawing parallels between the

original Cold War and if this is a new Cold War might not be really a great thing again for the establishment US to be doing. So I don't know if that's what's happening, but I do wonder about that, just the dropping of the Cold War two point though, because cold War is an interesting way to put it, because there's certainly the I mean, America's foreign policy taken as a whole, politically, economically and geo strategically and in so many

different ways. It's it's it's fascinating to see all these ways and the way the political and the economic workout I think are really something else. Because I do I've said this over and over again because I really it is happening, and this is something that I don't know, I haven't seen many people reference this. I don't know why there's not more talk about this, that the face of the ever changing face of the military industrial complex. It is the

same as it has been. And you've got the big five top players, right Northrop, Grumm and Raytheon Lockheed Martin BAE I think is one of the big five, right, those those guys the Boeing dimension bowing those ones. So you've got the big old guard military industrial complex still there, still getting huge contracts and doing what they can to maintain their vest his special interests.

You better believe that's exactly what they are. And the ridiculous amount of lobbying they do in DC to maintain their revenue stream, which is tax dollars, making billions in profit each year off of us. You're welcome. So, yeah, they've got they've got a good thing going, and they don't want to obviously, they don't want that to go away. You know what I mean. Once you get you get a deal like that going, you want to maintain it. So you want to maintain power. This is an issue.

This is an issue in a society such as America, which has gained prominence on the world's scale, as like the global leader, right American hig geminy, and with with what we've done with our foreign policy and through our foreign policy up until this point over the past a few decades, we've had a lot of stuff going on, and it's it's not sustainable to continue what

we've done on many different fronts. But you also have the new kids on the block, the Silicon Valley companies trying to elbow in on the action. And as as referencing last week, Eric Schmidt, big time guy from Silicon Valley, the big CEO, head of Alphabet Google, huge investor in all sorts of different BC investor in Silicon Valley, major guy there working his way onto so many different panels, government panels, working with the military, working

in national security. The nsc AI was a highlight for those of us here at the age of transitions, to be sure, So him pointing out artificial intelligence and how it the national security ramifications of that according to him, and every other huge insider from Silicon Valley and the intelligence community and other aspects of the establishment were there to tell you like, oh, this is what the

national security starts on. This is what we need to do. Of course, Schmidt stands to gain from all of the panels and influence that he's wielding within the government because he's got so many different investments in these tech companies, venture capital investments and whatnot, and he's all over the board, and so he's rightfully been criticized for that. But I do think it's it's going to continue along this trajectory where the Silicon Valley companies game more and more influence in

military industrial complex become more and more big players. I don't know if there's going to be like pushing aside of the old guard guys the top five as it stands now, or if it's just gonna be an interminglings. It remains to be seen there, but it's definitely happening. And there was this interesting article from this is from July twentieth from Defense News. Let's see if we can at least look at this, maybe read a little bit from this article,

because this is important along these lines. So Defense news dot Com Thurs stay July twentieth, the headline is Pentagon Innovation Hub wants to field commercial tech at scale. So this has everything to do with like the Silicon Valley companies and the big private sector companies of consumer tech companies are trying to offer their services because of it's cheaper, it's they're quicker, they have everything that the military could should start integrating, and they're the way to go. So anyway,

let's let's read from this article. Okay, Washington, The Defense Innovation Unit is about to enter its technology scaling era, sounded in twenty fifteen to help create a bridge between Silicon Valley startups and the Pentagon. The organization's early work is focused on building partnerships improving the value of commercial technology for military needs.

Now, according to d i u's new director, Doug Beck, it's time to make a deliberate shift toward fielding the most military relevant commercial technologies at a large scale. That means moving away from a model where du foss these capabilities, tease them up for military units and hopes that they'll embrace them, toward a posture in which the organizations embedded within the services and bad commands to ensure that the technology they need is making it to the field. Quote.

What we have to do now is take that capability that has been built and employ it for a strategic effect end quote, Beck told reporters July twenty thirty virtual meeting media briefing. Quote. That is what this next phase of DU is about. End quote. A former Apple executive, Beck took the helm of the organization in April, as comments come as leaders in the Pentagon and in Congress move to elevate the role DU plays and pushing commercial technology to military

users. How much of this do we need to read? I think we get the idea right. The idea is that the Silicon Valley insiders are making their way into the government. This guy back is at the head of the Defense Innovation Unit. Okay, so these private sector guys are going right in there and making sure that all the private sector goods and services that they have they and their buddies have been producing start get bought up by the government,

bought up by the military for national security purposes. And so this is really this is really one of the biggest stories I think of our day politically. This is like one of the biggest things happening, certainly one of the biggest things that nobody seems to be talking about like every now and then, and with good reason. Like a guy like Schmidt will get lambasted, which he needs to be. There should be a story about him every single day, and I think there might be, which which is good. Again, I

don't know how many people are reading those that there. It's not getting pushed

enough. People are pointing it out. Thank you everybody who is, because it's it is very important, as I'm saying, But this in terms of where I believe American foreign policy is going and being pushed, has everything to do with this, everything to do with Silicon Valley making their way into the ranks of the military industrial complex and at everything that they're selling, the speed of their innovation, with the quality and relevance of their product, that the

ability to adapt at a rapid pace. These are all the things that they're bragging about that the DoD needs from them because the old again, the old guard MC, You're not going to get that from them. Is a long drawn out process that takes forever to implement and can't keep up with the rate of change of technological change that we're at now, and the wars that are going to be fought coming up are going to be absolutely very technical in nature

in a way that we've never seen before. There's going to be a lot of parly cyber aspects to the conflicts. I am sure of that. And beyond that, just the capabilities of all sorts of emerging technologies, machine learning, not the least of which are just going to be at the forefront of

this. And thus you know, the old new Cold War, the Cold War two point er concepted because it has to do with technological development, a new arms race having to do with emerging technology this time not nukes, although nukes are a topic of conversation again, so let's not forget about those. Those still exist, and you get the nice connection of the two, the

convergence of the two. Well, what if we had machine learning AI systems that we're able to launch a nuclear attack and anyway we won't, we won't go there. That gets that obviously gets into like terminator two, and people just start talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger when you go that direction. So it doesn't then ceases to be useful in about two seconds once you start talking about that as a problem. What we're not talking about is this the business again,

the economic political aspect of Americans foreign policy. The DoD budget has been in the news lately. It's going up yet again, as it always does. But of course for the d D insiders is never enough. They're always complaining like, oh, like, we just can't do it. We don't wear spread too thin. We this nearly a trillion dollars isn't enough to do what we need to do. And this is I mean, it's laughable and disgusting

and despicable in every single way. But also this is where the new guys, new kids on a block, really take advantage of the things like, look, we're still a con valley. We know about um efficiency, we know how to turn a profit, we know about business, not like these old guys that are just ruining everything. Um. Okay, it looks like we have a phone call, so I will go to this phone call. Caller, you're on the air, what's your name? Where you're calling from?

And tell us tell us about Cold War two point on. I want to hear about it. Jimmy James calling from the usual the US. Do you use bright? Yeah? So would you say this? Uh? Cold War two point zero is mostly from what the Russians or the Chinese and US? Uh just one yeah, it's well, it's obviously that international adversarial thing, right, like we are on one side for sure, America and to a lesser extent like NATO and our western allies and the West generally speaking.

But America I think is the big one to pull out from the one side. And then the other side is Russia and China, but more so really China and and you You've got all the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, not unlike NATO over there, you know you, So you can draw it out and see a bigger picture of like East versus West, almost, but certainly you can draw it down to like individuals, and the two big individual nations I think

without a doubt are the US and China. Do you agree? I would agree that I would say that russichall unto themselves, can't do squat to us. Yeah, other than destroy all of mankind. If they want to go that route, they could. Yeah. You got to remember that it's possible, I believe, is you and Chuck, I want to challenge to listen to that whole Eisenhower farewell and drugs. Did you ever do that? Chuck?

When I asked lately, I know that I've never listened to the entirety of his farewell speech where he's famous that's often called the military complex speech. Yeah. Sorry, sorry, I did not have access to my microphone for a minute there, But you know I have listened to that whole speech several times over and over again. I even had the special version that was supposedly not the broadcast version of it from a different angle. So yeah, I've been over that upon a few ways. The one, the one, the

version, the original version that contained Congressional Military Industrial Complex. Right. Well, yeah, but that wasn't the way it was broadcast. That's what was on the uh that was was written right, thank you. Card guy screwed up there you go. So yeah, see, but anyway, not my show, Aaron, I was away from my mic Sorry about that, so I didn't answer right away. Yeah, well, I mean, yeah,

it's it's Congress that's approving the entire budget and all that. So yeah, and again the need for the lobbying of these companies that they do in spades, and it's it pays off, pays off. They spend a lot, but they get way bigger returns. It's worth it to them everybody else. But well, i'd really like you delicted the whole things only like fifteen minutes

long. Yeah, and I know that everyone loves to call it the military industrial complex speech, but that's just as he says, the country faces numerous threats, of which here's a few, and he named, yeah, the military industrial complex. And what did you mean by that, Well, he meant literal Nazis. These were the people who were running large military contract corporations,

Bell Helicopter, So that's specifically what he was referring to. And what's more interesting is what he followed up with, which was a warning about the technocrats which would be coming and how we should be weary and got to keep observing as a public to make sure that these like For instance, he flat out said that these grants from government has become a complete substitute for curiosity. Almost everything's being done for and on behalf of the government, especially in the

university. So I don't know, I think it'd be interesting if you listened to the part his second warning, which is far more relevant these days, because the so called military industrial complex has gone my friend, in fact, we're low, we're low on bullets. The big company say it's going to take another twenty years just to catch up with the stuff that we've been given to the Ukraine Uh, so I would pay much more attention to the old

general second part of that warning, that's all I'd say. Okayful, fair enough. I mean, yeah, you can make the argument that these Silicon Valley guys represent a bit of what you're talking about there. But yeah, again, since it's all exactly tacocrats, Yeah yeah, they're just they're just coming in and trying to like do really a similar thing to what the old guys were doing. Is that's is to say, just get a bunch of

money from the government, you know, just get contracts flowing in. Right, So, well, you're exactly right, that's what the press that says. Good to the point where you know, no one's but nothing's being invented in garages anymore. It's always has to be part of some huge government and the university project. And you aren't against this. I just think it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, all right, thank you, Okay, take care, Jimmy. Yeah, and that's an interesting point just on technology itself.

It reminds me of Jacquelot's Technological Society book, which is mandatory reading. He kind of mentioned this back when he wrote his book, I think was in the sixties. He wrote that, but his point. One of his points that he made in that was that technology and technique, as he put it, it's it has this effect where it can only really be done by these huge sources again like massive funding, huge labs, so gigantic labs that have

all this funding and the resources available to do the research right. And so all progress being made is being made from these outlets that are beholden to Well, who's funding them? OsO? Who who built this lab? Like what is it? Where's the funding coming from? Like to what end is it? And it's it's just this one giant machine really that's feeding itself. But um, if you want to point fingers government spending, if you want to do it that way, that's fine. But just like big money generally,

like where does it all come from? Where did it come from? And and is can any one person really be said to be in control of this se No, it's it's almost it's the system unto itself, that's doing things for its own purposes as at a scale that no individual human being could ever hope to achieve. It's above and beyond that. I wouldn't mind asking you a question at this point, errand you know, because I'm very curious about your point of view on this. I'm not going to load the question.

Okay, look how is it though? I mean, how do you see this? Because the way I see it is, in recent times, there is no innovation okay that hasn't been backed by a lot of money. I

mean, some things evolve their alterations within existing constructs. Maybe somebody figures out a way to build a better something structure regarding communication the internet, blah blah, somebody figures out how to code something differently, but to actually build a whole new infrastructure, to build something that has not been imagined, something that is actually brand new and doesn't just piggyback onto another technology, right, Yeah,

that's not being done anymore. There is nobody doing that independently because the amount of money required to do it isn't there. So it does reside with the R and D departments of a large corporation, the R and D departments of the Pentagon, the R and D departments of the different universities where maybe somebody comes up with an idea and then they get funding, and then they

turn around and build it in a place at a university. Which is why our government gets involved with all those so that they can snap up anything that could be potentially dangerous or two hazardous on the market, or advantageous to a foreign adversary, etc. Right, So, in reality, how do we get to a different point where innovation can be done once again, you know, among the you know, the just the general population. Like somebody builds

a new kind of computer system in a garage. Again, somebody builds a new kind of travel that wasn't thought of before, etc. Etc. I mean, is that even possible given the intellectual of failures of people in the Western world anyway? But I mean, given the intellectual failures of the general population and the lack of resources among the common man. So what do you

think about that? What's an interesting question The kind of leads into one of the big national security ramifications that these types are always harping about, is that if innovation is done by the general public or by individuals, that represents a great danger, you know, like these terroristic dangers of if you get people start playing around with three D printers, they're going to print a gun and go shoot a bunch of people. If you start giving access to these advanced

AI technologies and people start tweaking them for their own purposes. They will use them bare minimum to start scamming innocent people, or at worst start doing again terroristic actions against the public, against corporations, against governments. That's going to happen so that they continually warn us about these things, which I find absolutely fascinating. I do think it's a matter of time until a cyber version of

nine to eleven happens. I think it's a foregone conclusion. When it does happen, look to it, there's going to be all sorts of issues. They're gonna be horrendous in the wake of that. And I hate to say it, but one of them is going to be the reaction from the alternative media or whatever. That's going to be a problem in and of itself, because you're gonna get people saying a lot of dumb stuff, I guarantee you, and it's not Some people will be innocent and well well intentioned in it.

Some I'm sure won't be. But I think it's going to bring a whole new uh level of problems for everybody. I mean absolutely everybody. And you know, just as we had all of the Patriot Acts and all of the assaults on civil liberties and the intrusion into the privacy of everybody's life. In the wake of September eleventh, we're going to see a continuation, a new version of that, in the wake of the cyber nine to eleven. Whatever it is, whoever the perpetrator is or is said to be, we're

all gonna pay the price for that one. But it's it's again, it's a matter of when not if it's just for me. The innovation is not coming from the general public anymore. It doesn't mean that it can't. I mean, somebody could out there imagine a new type of high speed chemistry, okay, which is code for explosives, all right, But you know, somebody could turn around and say, what about radical magnetic reactions which are triggered by a particular type of device. And I don't think those exist yet car

as I know anyway, at least they don't exist in mass production. But let's just say somebody comes up with an idea like that. Maybe you can develop something like that in a garage. I don't know, but I'm just

saying it doesn't look like we have an inspired population. And if somebody does become a standout and begins to create anything, it seems as though they get swept up, recruited or turned in gone or the days of somebody building, because remember, the Apple computer system was a whole other thing that is not related to what you see today, that is not related to the interconnectivity of

the Internet. That was a different that was a different creature, and it was you know, a couple of guys putting it together in a garage. And I've had people argue with me that they had help from outside, which you know, I'm not saying I disagree or agree with that they may have. It does seem like every sort of innovation, whether it's a you know again, an evolution is something in existence, you know, the different social

media is whatever, or something else. It does not last long in the hands of a private person who is the individual inventor innovator and so on, because it always gets folded into something, whether it is the you know, something that's commercial and corporate, or it is military, defense, applicable or etc. Right, Yes, yeah, again, it comes back to the system at whole has a life of its own. It is in control.

It is in control. We are just existing within its confines. And yeah, if we do something within it, that stands up, sticks out, it will just be subsumed by it. That's just kind of the nature of the beast, right, And it goes back to what Ulo was saying about this like massification, not just a man and the mass man, but the fact that it has been brought about by technique. That technique is what's in

control. Technique is running the operation for its own sake, for the sake of just pure efficiency and getting to the end goal, which there is no true end to anything. There isn't an end to technique other than the idea that you just have to keep things becoming faster, more efficient, better, bigger, and you keep doing that. What happens when you keep doing that is the question? The question kind of answers itself, I think, But yeah, I don't know. I mean, this is where we're at.

I would like to believe the concept that, you know, the individual person could grab a hold of innovation and could start doing things and doing things for the better, the sort of like uh protagonist in a cyberpunk fiction, right like that. I would like to believe that that's something that could happen, that that gives us a chance, you know, And I'm not saying that that's impossible. I'm not saying that that won't happen at all. I'm also

not saying that that's like the solution to our problems as well. But UM, I don't know. It's um, it's crazy. It's it's difficult. The the individual human it just has to find a way to maintain in the midst of all this, and it's getting stranger and more difficult to say how you ought to go about doing that and what is possible. And I won't dissuade people from attempting whatever good deed it is that that they may be up to, or a good project, white hat hackers or whatever, whatever the

hell people are doing out there. If it if it makes a difference positively than good, Um, it's it's it's crazy. I mean this, uh, the whole Cold war concept. Uh, they're really going with that.

They're really going with that. Uh. The the um the threats and they perceived threats from AFAR are what's a major driver of this new innovation push whatever we you want to call this, whether it's a new military industrial complex, whether it's not, whether Silicon Valley is we want to view it as a corporate private interest, whether we want to view it as them being technocrats, whether we want to view them as being subsidiaries of the government. My question

is does any of that actually matter? You know, we can sit here and argue semantics all day, and I know that we love doing that, but I'm just more interested in what the hell is actually going on, you know, when you strip away the labels like to attempt. I know, and maybe that's wrong headed, Maybe that's like the maybe I'm trying to obfuscate language itself in doing so, And if that's what I'm doing, then I

apologize. But I just feel like there's a lot of preconceived notions attached to the symbols we like to use in our in interpreting these political economic quandaries, these situations that were these collective situations that we're all in. There's a lot of preconceived notions that I think aren't healthy. And that's another thing that would

be useful to organize, I think at a human level right now. So if we're talking about what we can actually do playing around in the garage with bio hacking or white hat hacking, or trying to develop your own version of chat GPT, that's going to save the proletariat or whatever it is that you're

doing. That's fine, that's good. But also I think what might be useful is a sort of spring cleaning of our human interactions, coming at things not from the STEM point of view, which is what the establishment very much is pushing now. Is everything STEMS STEM, STEM STEM to fight China. We need to get all the kids educated in STEM. And there's been some interesting news stories that popped up that the humanities have suffered great losses in terms

of I mean, just college enrollment itself is way down. I'm not here to say that's good or bad either way, but I'm just saying that it is. But to be sure, STEM is going up as the humanities are drawing back. And you see a relate, a correlate in this sort of anti social mess, the exemplar of which is really online interaction, right, So go online view any kind of interaction between people which are really just users

online, right, interaction between users. Take a look at that. That's your exemplar of what has occurred in terms of the corrosion of human interaction and human communication. There's been a communication breakdown. Yeah, we suffer with the language. We don't know how to use it. And that kind of goes back to my point of I think we have trouble with these symbols that we use in our arguments and our discussions with one another. I think there's a

lot of idolatry. Actually. I think we've come to build idols out of so many different things without even really realizing what we're doing. So everybody's got these idols that they have, and they've got their own little mantle at home. They've got a shrine to something. Maybe it's a maga shrine to Trump. Maybe it's a shrine to this idealized version of communism or communitarianism or whatever left concept you want to see there. Maybe somebody just really is super keen

on Adolf Hitler and they've got a shrine to him. Sure, there's all sorts of people doing at this day these days, you know, anything. It could be. It could be something as benign as they you know, they like some dumb politician and so they've got some shrine to them. I don't know whatever, fill in the blank. It doesn't even matter. The point is I think if I remember, if I even had one to begin with, was that we've got a lot of a lot of built up obstructions

in between us. There is all sorts of invisible and intangible buffers we've created between ourselves that aren't allowing us to be able to convey concepts of any meaning or depth. There's the we're really good at remixing symbols that have been thrown our way in rapid succession rapid fire MTV editing style, were able at very

become very adept at being able to like catch all those things. Like Ninja starts flying at us and we grab them, we just kind of like throw them back and they're rearranged in a new way, but we're throwing them back at the other person that sent them our way. And really it's just like kind of this back and forth weird video game nonsense where nobody's really doing anything. Nobody knows what they're saying. They just know the parameters of what we've

been given. But what we've been given isn't really useful as far as I'm concerned. But so we're just we're struggling with a couple of things that I don't think are They shouldn't be so hard to work out. We just haven't realized what the big issues holding us back are where we're kind of like looking in a million different wrong directions. It's seems like, more often than not, and always our attention being diverted to something. It's something, there's always

something new, always something different. Every day it's a new story, more extreme than the last. It's like, oh, check out this one. And then, not unsurprisingly, the cognitive dissonance is such that nobody even I mean, we're all kind of burn out on the whole thing. Nobody cares much about any of it, and everybody's sick of it and wants to tune

out. And maybe that's what the big good thing is is that we're at we're still also collectively burnt out that all we can do now is just turn the screen off and go take a nap for a while and then hopefully wake up slightly more rested than when we passed out and able to regroup. And I think, if, if any if we're onto something good, then that's what's happening, or that's what will happen in the present slash near future that

we're in going into. I think that I think that's where the opportunity lies, not just the opportunity, but it's it's it's a real um, it's a necessity at this point. And as I've said before the importance of philosophy just generally speaking, just understanding that nothing just kind of pops up without some kind of philosophy behind it. You know. Certainly Silicon Valley has an ethos

all of its own. It's a bit schizophrenic. But this is America after all, So I mean, can be they can be pardoned on that. I'm not going to give them too hard a time for that. I mean, that's all of us. However, the fact that it is completely insane should be noted. And so anything that those coups are ever up to is just um, you know, be wary, right, But more and more they are at in the reins hold the reins of power, is what I'm

saying. And there are the private laboratories doing the research into life extension and whatnot. There are actual people on the planet now that are putting effort into seeing that eternal life might be, or at least life extension to to prolong lifespan significantly is a very real goal and something that they see as possible and

that they're doing. And you see these weird stories like this. Um, I think it's a Silicon Valley. I think it's a VC guy or something that he's had all these weird like blood transfusions with his teenage son and all this weird stuff. So you see stories like that and it's just insane,

but it's true, and it's certainly disturbing. It's disturbing. But we have people doing that at one end of the scale and then at the other end of the scale as everybody else essentially just trying to survive day today, and that's the rest of us not getting any easier on that front. Um, So conflict is everywhere to be found without the big surprise there in a world of such extreme like such vast extremes between people. Not good, but um, this is the way we want it. We like things that way.

We want to be able to if somebody's out there really going for it, doing the blood transfusions with their teenage son to keep themselves healthy into the future, then okay, m hey, Aaron, I'm gonna attempt to add a skype caller in here, So just wanted to give your heads up that that was going to happen. Okay, cool, let's do this and just for your notes. Jimmy James is still on the phone line. But I do believe we have our Skype caller joining us. Now, okay, good,

all right, Skyper damn where you're calling from? Hi? Hello, Hey, Hellara? What's up? How you doing from the EU news? All right? Spain? Right? Cool? Yeah, what's going on there? Oh yeah, listening to you? Um? Yeah, well fine, I like it. I remind people to the next Yeah, the next ninety eleven will maybe they we've caught the communications on things like that. M hmm, yeah, I think I think so. Yeah, if they cut neck fixed baby people, oh my god, we end the wars here's my TV show.

So maybe we'll blame China or Russia. Yeah, that's gonna be. What's the most interesting thing about it is who ends up getting to blame? Really, that's gonna be one of the very interesting things that you should be looking for when it happens. Yeah. I don't know exactly how to call that one. I could see it going either that way, or maybe even they'd go with like an internal thing where they said it's like some guy in

North Dakota or something. Oh yeah, ok, domestic terrorism. Yeah, yeah, it's perfect I think, yeah, the enemies with it within us mhm hm, same as aliens. It's kind of boring for me. I really in many years ago, I used to watch alien stuff on videos people I really like it lobbed, but I don't know the years past I found

that it might be a lie. The only reason why I keep bringing it up in the chat Lara is because there is literally hearings in our Congress which I've never seen the like of this before, where there are people saying, you know, exactly the stuff that fits with, you know, the alien culture, the alien conspiracy culture. There are people that are former officials, former Navy people, etc. Making statements like we have alien bodies, we

have alien crafts, and that's publicly on our government record. Now that's never happened before. And the weird thing to me is that this isn't a worldwide headline. This is not you know, people aren't going, hey, you know, on the official record, now this is here. It isn't just in your ufology magazine. It isn't just on the weird website. It isn't

just conspiracy culture. There are people saying, hey, you know, I'm trying to blow a whistle here and nobody's paying attention to it except News Nation and a handful of indie media people. That's about it. You know, well that in the Guardian printed an article about it, But I mean outside of that, that's it. It's it's very weird to me. Almost the thing that people were begging for twenty thirty years ago is happening and nobody cares.

It's just it's the strangest thing to me. Really, it's the reaction more than the thing itself. Lara, what do you think? But I start to notice people he's talking about this. It seems maybe I don't know because they don't watch to be but maybe they show on TV this guy from

the CIA talking about the aliens the code in the Congress mode. Now, the guy is from a former task force, which was a cooperative effort between intelligence agencies and the military, but it did this is military and intelligence agencies. He was on the task force that was supposed to study this stuff. And he's saying, this is what happened, and they don't want the truth out. And then he's got you know, regular navy pilots who are saying, look, I don't know what to think of it, except that I'm

seeing. I've seen stuff myself that doesn't at any technology we know anything about, and this could be a national security threat and that sounds pretty significant to me. Yeah, you know, they've got those they've got those two naval pilots. They've seen unidentified flying objects while they're flying, right, That's that's interesting. Yeah. Then that other intelligence guy that's saying, well, yeah, I've I've come across all of these officials that are working on secure projects

that nobody can know about. But I've talked to him, and they're telling me that they're reverse engineering alien or unidentified flying objects, whatever that may mean. They're reverse engineering those people have said that they have seen extraterrestrial bodies and have told him that. So so he's he's getting secondhand accounts from these h god knows whatever, black budget sources he's referencing. But this is what he's saying. Yeah, yeah, But again, the significance is that it's being

allowed on the record. This isn't just some guy on the History channel saying I speculate this is somebody on the official record. They're allowing to testify, and you got representatives taken them seriously. So I'm just saying that it looks very strange and this has not quite happened like this before. That's all I'm saying. It's new. Oh yeah, absolutely, you know, and weird

to me that it's not again a bigger headline in the international news. Of course, you only have a couple more minutes left on this hour, Aaron, just to make you aware of the clock, and I'll shut up now. But I just threw it in there because I thought it was interesting, and I'm not saying that there is anything to it at the end of the day. I think most things that are you know, talked about in public are usually there to keep people distracted anyway. But but it's just odd because

it is different. That's my only point, and that's why I keep asking the question, why is this not getting a little more attention, because if it is just a mass distraction, also, why is our corporate media not working along with it? Very well? Weird all the way around. There's a lot of questions in my mind here. So it's like it's making rounds

on social media. Everybody's heard of this, and it was like definitely a news story, and my wife is telling me all about the aliens this and nance I'm having to hear about that, and so it's it's definitely like made waves. And I know that Tom DeLong is probably just real excited and probably want to get Blink one eighty two back together again so they can do an album about all this. But yeah, I don't know. It's it's hard

to know what to make. But yeah, on the front that that the show is almost over, The show is almost over, So I'll I'll ask U large, do you want to hang out until we switch over to the Uncle Show? Do you want to stay on the line and join the Uncle Show? Or do you want to get going right now? Yes? Okay, so you're gonna hang out then, oh perfect, Uncle's gonna be excited. Okay, cool, thank you, but thank you for calling it and

we'll talk to you in absolutely. And also, Jimmy James is still on the line too, So Uncle starts out with two callers in the pen to begin with. Okay, that's good, that's good. The only thing we need now is maybe a UFO and unidentified whatever anomalous phenomenon to call out on the line. And we've done ourselves. Either that Colonel Sanders Gerald Sanders right, or is he coloninal. He's not a Colonel Gerald Sanders, Big Gerald

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a walk with the dogs. Okay, so we uh it's three hundred and three hundred four, three hundred four, three hundred and four episodes, believe. Now we've got a special drink tonight. And are we got these drop glasses that my sister got. We do from Ireland. We do here, that's why don't we want to? And we're going to put this on Instagram or on the picture here they are, so we've got wait a minute in the brake, Aaron, He said, France. Is it France or Ireland?

Now there's a big difference there. Well, it's europe as European Europeans. One one of them is Ortney, Ireland, and then the other one is Belgium, Belgium, Belgium. Okay, okay, Ireland. And these are the drop classes that I am collecting. Yes, okay, your sister recently went on a cruise and she got a couple of drop classes for you, four of them. So these are two of them. And these are two of them, so we're going to try them on these classes. We

are going to try drinking. Yeah, contest. So yeah, I figure figured I figured that we would have a drink. What we're gonna do is this is odd as a shot, but we're gonna do kind of like we're gonna do a Martini shot. And it's not gonna be any kind of Marteam.

That's gonna be on t hickle teeny uncle the pickle table. And as these guys are totally distracted with the drinks, remember you can call in at three one nine five two seven five zero one six or join us on Skype by contacting me Charles dot o'ceelly, and I will call you into the show if you ask me to three one nine five two seven five zero one six on the regular phones, or reach out to Charles dot ocelli on Skype. And you know, guys, also don't forget you have one waiting on Skype

and you have one waiting on the phone already. Oh yeah, let's uh out. He knows that he knows in to make sure they have a drink. Everybody in then to have a drink? Who should we bring in? First? Uncle Skype or phone? What a Skype call to the spine say hello to say hello to Uncle Skype caller, Hello, n cool longk live to the tuna sanguige. Oh eat a minute. You know this is right? Uncle? You did? Yeah? I didn't. There, I tried, I tried to. We did. We did. Sorry to say we

did the review last week? Did you did you hear the mention last week you got mentioned on the show? Did you hear it? Did you hear it? Yeah? It was laughing. Okay, that's why you did hear. I thought you would be on come on. That's why I uh, I was contained if you were going to show or call in before the show. So that's why. There you go. I did it well. Let okay, then hold on there, then have a drink with you though. Uh second, coler, we'll start the drinks. Okay, perfect color on

the color line. There we go. I muted, and I know that is Detroit man. All he's the main man that calls me every hour on my hour. Yeah no, no, you're do an excellent job. Excellent job because you're on it almost every single time. Very good, very good. What are you told me? So? I can't I know I said

anything, but I know you're laughing. Okay, Now, everybody that's on the mine out on the producer, have yourself a drink if you have got one in your foodge if you got him, let's get this drink going fillious. Al right, so grab an alcoholic drink if you have one, and if you don't, grab something else to drink. Uh and uh you'll you'll get to talk about it with Uncle as they rate this incredibly interesting thing that they're gonna have out of this European shot class rate for sure. Yeah,

Laura, do you have any drinks available or no? But it's just Walter, we've seen something. See what you can ride on, you can see what we'll take it. So right now I'm just feeling a little pickle juice in the bottom of our drop classes. And then on top of that, it's going to be some nothing but the best Kirkland vodka on top of it. Right and hello, I'm just gonna get one more thing in here that

I know Uncle wants to report on the international listeners. Germany we have one, we have, Australia we have one, we have two in Spain, we have one. In Ukraine, we have one, two, three four in Canada were clean? I was one doing how we're clean people doing in that country. I'm wondering myself also because asking that quite it was this one. If the guy has a chance, if he can call, I would

like to know what's happening, just if you can. That's fine. That's a rough one, but I mean, I hope I just wanted to know, how is it doing. I hope I know who this is and I hope he and his people are safe anyways. Yeah, you know, but Germany actually no, two in Germany, two in Spain, one two three four in Canada, UM one two in the lamb highlight that they come in my hour. Two in the UK, two in the UK, um and all of course all across America. But I was checking all the international call

all the international listeners. I can see. Okay, there you go. Good Now, okay, damn cool? All right, Jimmy do you have Jimmy have a drink? What is it? I know he has a usual? Do you have your usual? You have a mountain dew? Yeah? I know him. No, this time I just took it. My car was dripped in something, so I just filled my cup. P's something green. Just let me know. Now down the half than she has? Well, okay, so we I know what we have is this weird pickled teeny

and a shot glass which actually I think it should be pretty good. Yeah. Um, we've got Ireland represented, We've got Belgium represent so it's an internusual. Oh there's low dudos like the cowboys day time to have a drink. So Uncle and I gonna throw this back right now that you can mirror moments moments cheers, Hello, click clack. Okay, here you go. When you think of that one, Uncle, pickly huh ply tasty? You like it? Right, well, we'll wait to the end on the end

of the show to wait to rate that. Now, now we can have this conversation. What is the big news I was supposed to be waiting for about something that yeah side little sidekick was yapping about. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah okay, but you know what, this goes right in mind with the pickle juice juice. Okay, this is important. This This ties in with a very very big news story now, which is uh Subway has a

new marketing campaign stunt that they're doing. If you change your name legally to subway, you could uh or you have to agree to change your name to the Subway. If they choose you as the one to change your name, you'll get free Subway sandwiches. For life if you change your name legally to

subway uncle. Oh, he's gonna handle Now that is very interesting. Everybody here this you'll if you guys have something in your country, if they go to the subway, you get a free for life if you change your name. If you change your name, yeah, could be a good deal. Damn, that sounds pretty good. That's what they want you to name a

deal or you have to change your name and then be picked. Um. I read the story and from what I gathered, it's like they're gonna have people like enter it as a contest like that are willing to go through with doing this, and then they'll randomly pick out of that group of people have agreed to it, and that person will be chosen and they will have their name change the subway. Subway will all the legal fees and the paperwork involved in doing that, and then you get the free sandwiches for life. Oh

boy, I could eliminate my sip names. That's why I want to know, uncle, if you'd be up for this, I might want to well, because everybody's you in the in the family here about the sip Bay side. Yeah, oh, I might be into this. It could work. Out pretty good. I'm thinking it might be a good deal for you, because everybody just calls you uncle anyway. Yeah, they call me uncle's not your actual name. They don't call me imagine name. I might go with

that deal. They could change the name and nobody even know. Yeah, that could be good. I could really work. We could beat the system on this one. Uncle. Oh maybe I'll try to. I think I'm named for it. How about how about with everybody else? Who else wants to change them? Now? Okay, what's your customer? Do we need to ask? Oh, start with Jimmy and then we're good. Amy. Okay, Jimmy, Jimmy, yep for this. No, I'm not gonna do that because not not for life, not having a subway for life?

Yeah, looks, what kind of a CoP's gonna pull you over and believe your name subway? You're gonna get trouble. That's the license says it. It has to be true. Social Security card? Maybe would that be a good Social Security cards? Just a kid? Can you imagine? Would be weird? All the good stuff that I mean? A passport me? Yeah as well. I like about it. I'm I'm going in the subject. I'm gonna say no, I'm going to have you. I want to see if you would be up for it. I'm gonna say no. I thought

maybe you'd like it, but no, I'm not. I'm not gonna do it. Sad to say. I know it sounds like a good idea, but you have but I have for life, just life. You won't. You won't have to worry about eating all the time. Free sausage sandwiches sound good, But I'm not gonna do it. I didn't think, Laura, what do you think? Do you think you're gonna You're gonna be the new subway? You're in the runnings for You're gonna be elbowing other people the way

to be the next subway. Yeah. I always hate to do free publicity to companies. What I think? Really thinking seriously about this? You want? Yeah, but costume I'm thinking about it too. See me and on the same page, you see that I get with the women. They understand me. These men don't understand anything. No, not usually, not usual. These women understand me. And I'm thinking the same way myself. It's a thought. It's thinking change that name. I mean, And when I

think about it, it's really it's a unisex name. It's it's it. It's not really gendered, is it. Anybody could know the name Subway and you're good to go. How many people really have you know anybody's last name Subway? Really, it's not that, not once, but that sounds interious. I believe you'd keep your surname, but your first name would would become Subway. So you would be like Subway, whatever your last name is. The first name is gone, but the second that your your last name remains.

I believe. I don't think you're gonna be Yeah. I think that's the way it is. I think so. I hope that's what would be. Yeah. Oo ss, you're like a ship. Uncle, Hey, that's that's like a submarine. See it all fits together. Submarine is a ship. Till yeah, they I keep talking about. I thought it was the last name they change. No, No, I might have to go. I might need to pull up the article on this one and find out about that. Unfortunately, let's see here, I'm gonna subway name change.

Let me see if I canna look this up that we'll get all the really really runs about that? Do I need to pinate my previous name? He said? He said the first name. We have to drop and leave the last name. But but what we're trying too he's checking it now. Okay, so here's a CNN article. Let me read a little bit from this. I'm gonna go a couple of paragraphs down. It says the contest will be open online from August first to August fourth. That's kind of quick at

Subway name change dot com and any adult in the US. Oh it's the US. I'm sorry, sorry, you can't do. Any adult in the US caner. I guess it's a US thing. The win contestant just needs to agree to the name change, if randomly selected. I thought it just The company said it will reimburse the winner for legal and process and costs connected with the name change. Uh they okay, Yeah, that's all it really says. I'm assuming they mean the first name been you keep your last name.

I don't think it gives that detail. But that's what we got her first name. Oh, it's such a good deal or something. I didn't know it was just in the US. I didn't either. I forgot that in the detail because I read the story earlier. But I forgot it. Said that doesn't seem right to me. It's an international corporation there, there's restaurants are all over the world too. You think, don't make any sense.

I mean they subject the entire world to their sandwiches. They ought to at least like include them in this contest, I would think, so you know what I mean? Yeah, oh oh well, but yeah, that was what we wanted to bring up. Their uncle did did we clear did we clear up that business? Is that? Have we taken care of subway? Yeah? I take care of someway. You're going to enter to change your name? I don't know now maybe, Yeah, we got to think about that. I had to think about it. Now said none of people

out of the United States. That drew me out. I thought it would be for everybody, not just for the United States. Yeah, that threw me off a little upsetting. We don't like that. So we'll get that. Wait a minute, we had to think about it. I'm not thinking though, we'll think we'll thank you. But yeah, we had our let's hear, we had our drop glasses. We used our new drop glasses pickled teeny. We tested in it. We've got our two collars on the line.

Oh uh. The the Instagram videos seemed to be going okay, or all the new videos seemed to be going on with that Instagram that I've been throwing out these special menus out I call them special menus, making them money at this deal, maybe we could use that actually that awful special menu that can be like a playlist. I just put out an extra one. He just flicked it to put on Instagram tonight. Instead of putting catch up on the boy, I put relish. There we go. That's been Toron in

the Instagram. Take that. Take that people. That was a quick one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just about making videos and sharing them online. That's that's what is. It seems to be working out pretty well. Um yeah, I've I've been taking some of the ones from Instagram and putting them over to YouTube, and I found that they kind of get a lot of views real quick, like or when you put those they can they can get a whole lot of views really quick, and then they kind

of plateau as what it tends to do. What I've had YouTube, Well, it's usually first of all, these clips I'm using are like maybe fifteen seconds or twenty seconds that the most, or shorter than that, even like maybe like five ten seconds. I'll take them from Instagram, I download them, and then I just upload them to YouTube. Then then YouTube has this

section on their website for short videos. It's like thirty seconds or less you get in the short version, so it's kind of advantageous to do these short videos. Then it pops up, and from what I gather, I think when you put a new video on there, it might put it in like this list where everybody can see it, and then everybody's watching it just because it kind of like suggests it to people, and then you get like a

thousand views within like an hour. But then it just kind of stops going up from there because they take it off of the main page of new videos. I think, I don't even know if that's what's happening. I'm just guessing that's that's happening. This exciting or this as well as it sounds when it's interesting, everything out of my menu's interesting because everybody on my shows looks at it. Yeah, and never never pass it up. People on my

show never pass up my show to see what's happening on my show. So you see food, you see a menu. She's laughing. Is it is that laughter? So we's laughing you, Oh, what's going on? Are you laughing at? I don't know. So so all of this is what's going on. So everybody knows what's happening. I should hope that I'm at all. Are you following this? Do you know what's happening, Jimmy, Jimmy Monto? I mean, yeah, what uncle? Do you find an

offense of the trucker guy in the interview with Flaire the other day? Even though Tucker don't even been half a show? Oh wow, I didn't hear that. We have been trying to get ric Flair people. Yeah, we have been trying to get Ric Flair for like a year. Yeah that sucks. That sucks, Jimmy, really it does. Um does What happened? Well, because we've been trying to get him and we contacted I gave Aaron the number. I don't know what he did, but I contacted the office

and they didn't get back to me. And then I finally got somebody get back to me in an email and they said, okay, well we'll arrange it, and they went dead. No responses after that, and I haven't been able to get this guy. I've been trying to get him for your show, my show, anybody's show that's on a network that was. But

this is operation Man. I was trying there, Chris, Chris has been working hard to try and get Sergeant Slaughter who responded to us on Twitter and said he would come on the show, and then he hasn't responded again. We got the guy from a another country over there that said he wanted money to come on the show. And then, you know, this is ridiculous with these wrestlers. I don't understand it. Right, I'm gonna end upon mine. Yeah, it's gonna be the end of it, all right.

If these vesselers, do you not want to spawn, I say, heck with him exactly. They're gonna lose. They're gonna lose a good announce it talker. If they don't want to listen, they don't want to have these responds, could come on my show. That's my answer question. Okay, See that's how you handle it. Okay, okay, that's fine, fair

enough. I'll tell you one other thing though, I did make an announcement yesterday that I am taking anybody wants to send me MP three short MP three's We're gonna start populating the online radio station and the Ocelli dot com radio station, which is a twenty four seven station with clips that people are submitting. Send me whatever you want, your original statements, clips of your podcast,

asked an add for your podcast, whatever you want. You got an article you want, you know that you wrote and you want to read it, anything, piece of music. Send it on over to blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com and it will begin populating the airwaves at the Ocelli dot com online radio station over the summer. Okay, for free, no charge, no problem. Whatever you send in, I'll pretty much within reason put it

up there, okay. If it's comedy, if it's music, if it's a statement, if it's a podcast, add a book ad, send it on in and we will put it up there, okay and put it out to the world. So there you go. Sorry, I just want to throw that in since we're doing interactive stuff right now Pirate Radio. This is exactly is insting. I could go down my line, yeah, and we'll play it in between. That would miss We could mix it right and we'll play it in between it mix that that would be inches, that would be

inch. Westing is right now twenty four seven, twenty four seven. Like your show replays, my show replays, Chris's show replays, right, So in between those shows, we'll stick in these short bits. Anything that's ten minutes or under. Send it to me and we'll stick them all in there, and you'll be heard all over the world, Promise guaranteed, because we have listeners all over the world to tune into the radio station at all different times a day, and we run at twenty four seven. So send it

on in blind JFK Researcher at gmail dot com. Send me your clips m P three's please, And you've got the Black Hall music, right Jack, Oh yeah, no, that's going in there, the clips from you. You know what I need is some of those daily life Uncle clips. I need some of those again. Mix those in. He can send them because he's got loads of Yeah, I need him again. I need him again because I had that computer that went busted, so you know I lost all that stuff. But send me. I got a lot of Aaron's music.

I'm gonna mix Aaron's music in. Everybody's stuff is gonna be going wide all over the twenty four seven feet So bring it on. We'll play it all, okay, I like the idea, Laura, do you have any cool audio that could maybe go on there or do you know if anybody who does you know any interesting stuff? Yeah, it would be nice if short audious about comedy or jokes as well well announcing all the things, it would be nice. It's a nice idea. I expecting to hear some yeah, and

we'll play it all and whatever people like. We're gonna learn exactly what people like and who knows that might get your promotion for something that might get you just your stuff heard, you created something, you got something cool to say, we'll bring it on. Maybe will have also we may have more people might like it. Yeah you real, Amna, this I'm thinking right now an interesting point of view. Yeah, I know. See I knew Uncle

would like it. And I also know Aaron loves experimentation, so you know this is great, right Aaron? This is like, let's see what we get sourced by just telling everybody bring it right? Yeah? Oh yeah, I'm totally into it. Yeah, it's it's it's fun just to see what the reaction is if anybody does it. First of all, who that is that chooses to do it usually is a good indicator of an interesting personality, to say the least, so that bare minimally you get that you found a

new interesting person right. And I announced it on Conspiring with mister Cooper or whatever last night Saturday night when I was on there, and I've only gotten two clips so far, so I got plenty of room. Bring it twenty four seven. We got to populate. And you know the Uncle shows only an hour, Aaron shows only an hour. My shows only take up you know, we can take up half the day with our shows really, and then you get replays over and over again. So let's spread it out.

Yeah, double it up. You might have int scene to us. Listen, maybe the radio network could like sort of branch out into the true indie music scene, go around looking for people that would actually submit their music to play on there, and that's what comes. It can be interesting listen to people send music, that's what we're playing. People send their political statements, that's what we're playing. People send their articles. You know, hey, I wrote an article. I want to read it to you. Go ahead,

send it, we'll play it. See what happens. Okay, you feel simple? Bring it on the way to bake it, build Oh, yeah, he knows how to build of station. Yes, yes, Chuck, that great idea, knows how to do it. That's what I like about this man. Man knows what he's doing, the man of action. Yeah, we could do that. I'm into it. We've got some interesting chat that I can't bring up on the livestream video unfortunately. Well black at Man, it's not showing up on the video, but I will read it

on YouTube. We have a commenter saying, are the blue dots on the Ocelli map live listeners? Question Mark, that's their question. So, uh, I guess we'll give that question to Chuck answer that. Sorry, I was doing something. I didn't understand the question. What was it? Okay, okay, okay, my bad, Chuck. It's just a question. Asking are the blue dots on the Ocelli map live listeners? Is a question? Um, it depends on which map you're looking at. If you're looking

at the Spinning Globe, yes, they are live listeners. Oh okay, so that's a big yes, then yes, if it's on the Spinning Globe. If you go to the Big map, though, there is a recent history of red dots all over the map, and that's not necessarily up to that. That's not this minute. The people that are on there this minute are on there, but there's a whole lot of history on the on the big map. But if you're looking at the spinning globe, yes, those

are live listeners. Okay, so that's I think that constitutes a yes for the question. Now, So there you go. Chat. I hope that satisfies the old question there and thank you for that. And we've got creative accidents ever on Twitch. So we've got listeners in YouTube and on twitch um interacting here, so that's good. How many listeners right now? Oh gosh, they're asking how many listeners? I think we might Uh, it's a ton of cahol. Yeah, it's got to be just a ton of listening

listening. That's yeah, that's it. That's usually my my numbers. That's using my numbers counted. You know, it's not it's not gigantic at o'ceelly dot com. I want you to know, but there are listeners across many platforms. Uh. So we're around uh, we're around about fifty live listeners right now at ocelli dot com. But that doesn't any count for any of

these other places. And that's not a fully accurate count because I've got some radio apps that report one listener, uh, and it's a multiple people listening on the one radio app. So it's actually larger, but I can't adequately tell you how many people all together. Right for a second. Oh yeah, that's the case with this online media. Like you get numbers thrown at you, you hit the analytics, you get all that stuff, but it's always complete. You never quite know, and it's always like a like a

portion of a bigger story of something else. And usually you're out on the multiple channels and there's all this different stuff going on. So it's difficult, I I would say, so confusing out here in online virtual world. Uncle, it's weird in here. Yeah. Um so, so that was the subly guess that you like the idea, not bad it come up you with with that? The only bottom line about that subway ad that I I disagree with is it should have not just the people in the United States. I

think everybody should have a chance up doing the put dude the contest. I agree, I agree. I mean that's the only thing I don't like about. And on that note, Laura, are you do you what are your feelings as international citizen outside of the US. Are you upset, are you angry? Or you what sort of emotions are running through you about the fact that on the US citizens can take part in the subway contest. Actually, Lara, I have another question too, besides the subway contest, just to

follow up on something else. Um, are you do you see us on the Spanish speaking radio apps? Because I have submitted us to them, and I'm not great at reading Spanish, but it looks to me like we do exist there and they translate everything I write into Spanish. And is that correct? What's the name of the app? Well, one of them is Rodio, but there's two of them that say they're based in Spain, And to be honest with you, I don't remember the name of the app off the

top of my head, but it is. It tells me it's into Spanish language, but I can enter my information in English and it translates into Spanish for you guys there. I don't know. I use ebooks and I do O X and but I know it's international right now. See, there's one I don't even directly submit to. That's one of the ones that gets the feed from one of the other radio applications, like maybe SHOUTcast. It's funny. We're on a bunch of apps that I can't track at all because I

don't have a tracker for that. For that app she just mentioned right now, I have none. I can see that she went to my website, which, by the way, when you see him on the globe there, that's people listening on the website. That's not people listening on all these apps all over the world. Usually some of the apps get picked up and some

of them don't. Like right now, I can see tune In, and I can see the Apple Radio app, I see win amp, I see people using the Mozilla browser, and I see Apple iPads okay, and iPhones, Apple iPads, Apple iPhones. I see all that, but but I do not see every app, like, for instance, I know we're on radio. We're on I mentioned tune in already, but we're also on Internet radio, Internet radio IO what he called European um European European Online radio is

just called that in a different language, the Irish radio network. We're all over the place, okay, GIMMI oh that that's such a party. The FECs get be upset. About this one d you get cut from something indeed, and I have no idea how they help people are listening to us in

China on occasion, but they do true rebels. Yeah, if you if you expand the Ocelly map, if you take a look at that globe and you click on the map, you can go and take a look at places where people have listened in the past couple of years even, and you can find that there are Chinese listeners that show up every now and then in different parts of China according to that very interesting. No idea how they get it?

What about cuber and in Cuba's ever called? And I can I'll have to look at the map and I want to say yes, but I don't recall directly, so I'd have to look. Let me go look check. Chuck's checking that out, so yeah, he will find that out. But yeah, the map is interesting. And it's not all the blue dots that are current listeners. It's if the name of the city pops up that they're listening in, that's somebody who's currently listening. All those blue dots are people

that have been to the website or have listened in the past. That might be the point of Oh there, you're back. There. Yeah, that's okay, you're back. I was just confirming you're correct about that. I didn't realize you were looking for the blue dots because I'm thinking of the red dots. Uh never, never mind, what, Okay, we'll get it. Let's see, I'm going to the two D map and I'm gonna go

check out on Cuba while you're continuing on. Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt the show with this, you know, no, no, no, it's all good. But yeah, let's go back to the question of Laura. Are you upset about subwayers? There's it okay that the contest is limited. I think it's more healthy for me, but it's a shame. Yeah. Yeah, it seems that way to me. I mean I'm doing that. They have they have sways on that state. Are there subways near you? Yeah? Yeah, That's what I'm meant to say. In Yeah,

but too many. We have Domino Spizza. Interesting, that's interesting stuff. Subway likes to pretend it's healthy. But I question. The answer about Cuba is yes, we have had listeners in Cuba, not too many, but all around all those islands, uh that that are in that same section of the map, so to speak, uh, everywhere from if you start on one end, you know, go away from Mexico and Nicaragua, and you go and take a look over at the Cayman Islands and you keep going east,

you'll find Cuba has been there, Jamaica has been there. Uh, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, virgin I Islands, Antigua, like just going through that, just going in that direction, we've been touched by all of those people on the island chain. Let's see, La Habana is one of the places specifically, I'm probably butchering that name and uh c A m A g l A y okay. I don't know how to pronounce that precisely,

but that is another place in Cuba that has tuned in. So there you go, various places in Jamaica from Kingston and various other places in Jamaica, more of Caribbean. I knew a guy worked with that lived in Jamaica and Jamaica really yeah, he's the one that going to my wife. Yeah, it was way more visitors from Jamaica than we did in Cuba. Cuba is kind of rare. There's only a few people that have come through from twenty

eighteen to now. There's very few, not not many at all, but we have had some and Jamaica has a regular stream of people that come and visit and listen. Oh cool guys listening to me? Exciting all right, regular listeners in Jamaica calls is exciting all over the state, all over the country of my stuff is listening to all of it? Did you play your stud at a series of it? Your stud a pogram of it and you see how far it's gotten? M hm, three hundred and three. That

is a lot of listeners of talking. It's a lot of talking accounting tonight. I'm talking about actually talking talking about it here. Yes, is going to start being like a business. Okay, it's stunning to be like one. It is. I mean, because man that's just doing this for a side show and tuned and boom, maybe he will have it business thing going. He assumed. Well, see, who knows. Maybe people we can put out a contest saying if you change your name to uncle the podcast you

get free podcasts for life. Do you want to find out how many people would listen? Then I do. The whole map would be on it could be on fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got you gotta start like you gotta start like Subway did. Though. You gotta start like Subway did because last year they gave away free sandwiches for a year to people they

got tattoos of Subway. So the first people to get Uncle tattoos need to get something free for a year, right, Yeah, well you know coolie, coolie, Yeah, the person for that, because I can't like, I can't have I can't have one. I'm pushing that can't happen. Yeah yeah, yeah, medically you medically I have I can't have one. But Coolly, that's down his alley. I just talked to him on the phone yesterday. He said he's working on that and the ad DTV flag for those

of you who know what that project isn't mind years years ago. So he's working on those, is what he tells me. They're coming. Then he's gonna put mine doing this willing team. They're on the way. They're on the way, Uncle, So he's gonna need something. I don't know what it is. Hey, before I stepped, before I step away from the key, I'm gonna have to step away from my keyboard for a couple of minutes. Here but before I do that, Creative Accidents asked, uh,

where's his question? Oh boy, he had a good question. Here, hold on it, it's Kelly chat. I probably can find it. Let's see here. Uh oh he oh, I know that? Oh did you know that? Yeah? Okay, I got it. Did uncle know that Tony Bennett passed away? And shand O'Connor that that was the question from Creative Accidents? Did you know that he Benett died? Uncle Danny pissed away? He did? I didn't know that. I did not know that. Yeah, I don't. I'm really too bad together. Who what they say?

Tony Bennett and sand o'connord they were found in the same bed when they passed. That was the real stack. See that. There's some comedy for you, uncle, but but for real though, Tony Bennetett died, Temmy, not those people. No, you know what I'm gonna keep what are you gonna d What needs to be done now? What needs what action needs to be taken? They were then kind of people to h oh man, I don't think. I think Jimmy was making that one up. So so luckily

have to cancel Tony Bennett and shond O'Connor. As they leave this earth on their way out, we don't have to cancel them while they do that. So that's a nice little courtesy we're offering. I'm in there. Yeah, So, oh, you don't know how he died. Yeah, I don't. I never. I didn't even hear of this. I knew Shened O'Connor. I don't know about Tony Bennett. I didn't hear anything about it. I'm not but oh, I know the other thing that Creative Accents was requesting

earlier was that we have a listener in Catty, Texas. And he was hoping that you could say hello to the listener and Caddy Texas. Uncle, go ahead if he's on the air. He got the numbers. Hello and Catt Hello, that's Gant. Got the numbers. They got the numbers. Call me on my phone, call on my end. I know, I remember she did call in one night we got we got Caddy from Texas.

Oh yeah, we did had one night, so she called in one night, so we did say she is a past caller, so oh yeah, yeah, that's I know who you yes, yes, yeah, And she's currently on something that's not showing up on my stream. So I don't know. I don't see Catty Texas. I do see Houston, but I don't see Catty Okay because it on twitch. Who knows? Oh, yes, I remember the Yeah what uncle, did you say? You grew up in Philadelphia? But no, I filled up New York Philadelphia. Is this guy?

That's that's my se My family's from around that was my dad was My dad grew up drinking nothing but wood is what I'll say. Okay, if that makes any sense, only Wood where he's from. Okay, but yeah, uncle's New York City. I'm New York City. You get a bad boy. What they call it the bunk Queens was a Queen's queens and the bunks Queens and the Bronx. Oh, I don't know that mix really mixture. So he's what no, no, no, no no, not not not him, no no no, kick him out of the country, kick

him out of the country. Well not him, he's not he's he's not that idiot. He's an idiot. New Yorkers would tend to agree with you for the most part. Yeah, he'd the list. He's not a favorite citizen there from what I hear hanging him up to like kicking him high joke. He's they're not proud of him there for the most They hang him high, put up a loop, and hang him up on a tree. Cal this is what they do. Wow, harsh un, that's bad. But okay. I got back to the keyboard. I put my headphones on.

Oh my god, THINKY puts it it? No, it ain't going to happen. I put my headphones. I stepped away from the computer. I put my headphones on. I hear uncle go hanging from a tree. I'm like, what what what happened? Oh my god? Real real quickly, this uncle got real real quick. This man is supposed to be I don't even know who you're talking about. I don't even know who you're talking about. You laughing against justice and this no justice in this appellation story that I'm

about to say. Wow, not a comedy. Not much comedy. Oh wow, okay, what's side kick? Just all right? Let me let me get you back on track, because this ain't much comedy. Uncle. Wow, I don't know who you're even talking about this about. You're making me nervous here, off, You're making me nervous over Jimmy. Jimmy. Okay, okay, okay, let me get stolen off the subjectly talking about all right, all right, all right, everybody coming down. Everybody called

down. Yes, I know day you said soth Okay, bo, I'm Trump are from Queens. No he is Donald Trump. Donald Trump is from Queens, Uncle Donald Trump. Yes, Donald Trump is from Queens. Yes he is. Stop agreeing with Jimmy. I'm not trying to agree with Listen. I don't always agree with Jimmy at all. This is what I'm telling you. I know where he's from. The guy's from Jean tak a look at his history. I'm getting man. But he's from Queens. But he is from Queens. That's true. I don't know if Jimmy said it.

I missed it because I was away, But it's true. If Jimmy said he's from Queens, he's right. I'm just telling you I I I don't he Look, I'm not trying to pick sides. I'm just telling you what's right. He's from Queens. I always call him the real estate hustler from Queens because he's from there. A lot of people from Queens up. I'm not everybody like the greatest person person. The Mets are from Queens. This

guy is anyway, Look, uncle, uncle, take it. Take a breath, I know, take a breath because look, there's only ten minutes left in the show. Here, take a breath. Yeah, you gotta do your review, I know. But that's what seed being on the home Boy. Has he been out of shape? Look, I'm just trying to tell you shape. That came up saying about him being but he okay, but uncle, I'm sorry he is. He is from there though, Okay, just just it. It's there's nothing we can do with that. He'll

tell you what, Uncle, Look, I ain't happy. I ain't happy about a lot of people that are from Jersey, trust me. And I was born there, and Queens is you know. Hey, look Queen's is. Queen's all right. But I mean, you know, I can't I can't deny that the guys from I mean, listen, I'm a Mets fan. What do you want from me? I'm telling you I'm a fan too. Okay, okay, okay, So we gotta review to get to you got you got another caller, You got the lady on the line, another

caller. Oh my goodness, I think you hit the call I hit the call up before we have this comp got a call go ahead to call up this back in line here, Okay, you're on here, I gotta I got a quick question. Um, who's stars in Indiana? Jones? Oh? This is this is Sam hop quiz hot shot? Anyone the phone. I can't remember the actor's name. This is a test with seven sixte How is it? Ford? Oh? Nailed it? Nice man? All right? Caller A right cool? Watch that sidekick. I'm sidekick on the show.

All right, I'm sidekick. I don't call his real names on the show. I'm sorry. It's not polite, not polite to say it on the show. Okay, damn, I got you at time? Oh man, Sammy Tavis Juniors, Savis Davis Juniors talking on the phone. Wait, Davis Davis Juniors on the phone. All right, Savin Samson on the phone. He's on the rack phone now from Metroid. We got a lady on the phone. We got another lady on the phone, and we got a plan on the phone. It's a lot of phony, a lot of phony

tonight. They never have lived in the Bronx, oh uncle. According to somebody who knows you well, they're saying that you never lived in the only queen. By the way, grandfather. By the way, your grandfather lived in Jamaica, stayed down the streets from the Trump that they just made it. Woose you were making this show. Woose. Then it's been I have get back with that Jimmy talking. You got me all mess up on my show. Jimmy. I have a call. Yeah, not you, this

wrestler. Have another back on the phone. I have another minute. I have another caller call in just a minute before. Were we talking talking? We all these people talking on this phone. I'm sorry, I got another caller. I'm trying to tell you's got another caller too. Betty calls get too. Let's see we have the call caller. The caller's caller, I D says Queens New York from Let him speak, that's the way he's that. Are you let him speak? Are you very I want to speak Queens.

I think we lost Queens is right now? The Queen's is next year, Queen's next queen from Yeah, it's oh yeah, he's from Queens, New York. Oh oh, this is him. This is Donald Trump on called Donald. It sounds like him. Is that you muted? What happened? Not him speak? Trump, Are you there? We need you striking us out a little bit. I gotta have a little straight enough to deal. I got, I got multiple trunk I got, I got Samus David Junior. I got a lady from Spain. I don't know what's going on

here. Yeah, now you're doing You got five minutes left. Minute. We gotta do the uncle, We gotta drop this whole thing. Let's let's listen to how many we got too many people talking? Do we need to keep the collars on the line or do we need to get rid of them? Uncle? What are we doing? These collars have to get this review? Okay, okay, okay, so nuted okay, So first things first, West, this this is your glass. Sorry, this one from Ireland

is mine. I drank out of the Orkney Ireland glass. Uncle drank out of Belgium. We both had a delicious pickle teeny pick made with cloths and pickle juice, and the finest Kirkland vodka. Kirkland vodka, the finest there is, uh, the not a gray goose, but the purple goose. Um real quick? Yeah, queens and Samus Davis whoever that was also dropped away. So we don't have those callers. We still have Jimmy James, and we still have Lara on the line, who I am surprised as not

like hung up or is cracking up this whole time over this anyway? Oh well that's my shows. Thanks for hanging thanks for hanging up back. So my review on our pickle teeny was I'd give it a good seven out of ten. It was a good mixed drink um not bad as a nice quick little shot to get the night started. I liked it. I like pickle tennis. What do you think you want me another one? People? Oh that good? That was a thin over ten? Oh you literally won another

tastically, I'll do one. This will be a dirty uh pickle teny on? That is that? Okay, That's what I'll make again? People? That the ten on ten on me? So, why don't we go to our remaining callers and shout outs and callers him shout out everybody. Now, let's go to Jimmy. Then no good, no is it Jimmy Fins? Yeah, yeah, Jimmy. And then he goes who you want? Shout out to Jimmy, shout out to Sammy. Dude is junior junior man yeah, okay, cool good shout out and to the space ailing. I hope

that Tanders gets to the bottom of all this. Sure they will, hope, Sure they will. All right, Jimmy start to talk as always, man, take it easy, beat Wilie peace all right. And then of course we have Laura from Spain's Yeah Chuck, because he'd bring you many calls today. Huh uncle, yeah, I know, even the confusing ones I couldn't see. Those are the good ones. Day Ah, all right, Laura, thanks for calling in. Laura. It's great to have you here.

So let's talk to you again sometime. Take care. Thank you, no Am, I giving a shout out on cool you. Next, I'll give a shout out to everybody in Jamaica queens listening right now who may be listening, because we talked about Jamaica. We talked about queens, but we didn't talk about Jamaica queens, and I just want to give a shout out to all you that might be there right now. How about that Uncle o

god uncle. The shout out to shout out to the missing bands that passed, especially to one tonight in the um, all the people that have been listening. Can I tell you all. There you go, there's your stiff and this is the final drink. There it is final drink at the show. Uh it's Uncle the podcast. Dot com is a website at Uncle podcast, Instagram, Twitter, and actually YouTube is at onal podcast. Now, um, share those videos around for us, yea, help us make this

into a bigger thing than even already is. Uh so, yeah, Uncle, that's it for this week. Why don't you bring us on home? There's three three episodes. Bye bye the sto