The Age of Transitions 7-11-2025 Release

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Why good? How are you?

I'm well, thank you very much for being here today. I appreciate it. It's good to be back in talking to you. I guess we'll just pick up where we left off on the live show that we did a couple of weeks ago. How about you refreshed me. I'm trying to remember what we leave off on. Weren't we going to talk about? I think I remember what was it?

Well, we pretty much got up to wiki leaks. Yes, Julian, we kind of covered I mean, we kind of covered everything, but in an extremely broad sense. We covered Anonymous a little bit and how that connects to the hacker culture, how that led into sort of the era of QAnon and from the era of twenty eleven and all the different hacking stuff that was going on around WikiLeaks at that time. Yeah.

Yeah, Now is there anything that you've think that you feel that we missed in the previous show, or just anything you want to expand on that we already talked about or no, Well.

We covered everything in a very, like I said, a very broad and kind of shallow sense. You could go into anything in much more detail, but you got to choose something in particular. So I was thinking, like WikiLeaks would be good. I mean, you can't really understand this stuff unless you take it together and in context, so you can dive into a particular aspect of it. But it was not going to make sense unless you already

Yeah, you're absolutely right, and I'll apologize to you and the audience in that we're only going to be able to do so much with these podcast episodes for sure. As you're saying, there's so much detail involved in all of this, and that's why I would suggest reading your article series, which I will once again link at my website so there'll be the link to that. But we'll do what we can. We'll do what we can, and I think that's a great idea. We'll just hop in.

Sure. Well, like you were saying, there is so much detail in all of this, and I think in the past show that we did, you were saying that you wanted to with your show here, you want to try to get to the bottom of all this, And I mean, I've been researching this a lot over the past few years, and I can say that it's very difficult to get to the bottom of it, but it is possible, and the stuff is out there and it needs people researching it.

I'd say a good question, because I feel I've never deeply looked at it at all. I've only seen the passing stuff with I remember Julining masannge popping up with the wiki leaks, and the whole idea is like, look, he's making this platform for whistleblowers to post their material.

And do you remember that when it actually started, or do you remember like the Snowden or the man stuff cable Gate the very first thing there was stuff before.

I do recall Snowden, Yes, and then that see I don't even remember if Snowden led into a sane they were were they like? Was was that part of the before WikiLeaks was before Snowden even came out.

And and Chelsea Manning's leaks were before Snowden's I'm pretty sure. And that was with Manning. That was cable Gate. That was the first big thing with WikiLeaks was cable gate, which was military or diplomatic and military cables and stuff like that, or military files. There was a bunch of files about Iraq, Afghanistan. And then later on Snowden was the NSA stuff, which was also leaked through Wiki leaks, or at least it was done in coordination with them.

Okay, Okay, So Snowden was working with a songe to release his material, presumably exposing the NSA what they were up to.

Yeah, but before that, it all starts a few years before any of that. It starts in about two thousand and six, I think.

Okay, two thousand, Okay, so what's going on in two thousand and six.

Let's see. Well, in two thousand and six, a Songe actually writes sort of some conceptual essays about this idea that he has for how this leaking is going to like dismantle these authoritarian institutions, And the way it's supposed to work is that it's kind of based on like a cognitive model of communication within institutions, where in order for a secretive institution to exist, the people inside of it need to be able to communicate with each other

Okay, so it's going to break down their internal communication system, the leaking process. Yeah, Okay, interesting, that's or that this is the concept he's selling.

Yeah, and I have a link to that two thousand essay in my article.

Two thousand and six essay by Assange. Now, assannge, who was he and what he what was he doing in.

Two thousand and six? What was his role? Like, Well, let's start with his actual child, I guess because so Sang was born in Australia. He's Australian and I think nineteen seventy one. His parents are activists, he doesn't. I think his father leaves pretty quickly, but he stays with

Okay.

And that's that's a strange aspect of his childhood, okay, because they say that he's a member of this cult. The boyfriend whose name is I think his name is Leif Maynell and so and so this cult, you can actually look it up. It's called the Family, and it's also called the Great White Brotherhood. Okay, it's one of those cults. And and then one of the things that they did was they would like abduct children basically or find like orphaned children, raise them in this cult, and

Okay, so the do we even want to We'll just reference them. We'll come back to it, the fact that those cults are a part of q Andon.

Right, Let's just say the the concept of the white Hats in QAnon is the same concept as these cults had with this great white brotherhood.

Yeahat white Brothers.

Like it's it's very strange. So after this period, I think this lasts until Asanje is a teenager and then he says that at some point he gets old enough where like this guy comes back and Assans just confronts him and like tells him to leave and leave him alone. And apparently this kind of ends that period. Okay, so after this, Assan gets into the hacker culture.

Okay, about how old is How old is he at this point.

Assange, he's about fifteen.

Fifteen, Okay, so he's he's a young teenager getting into the world of the hacker world.

Oh yeah, okay, got it, and he actually becomes like extremely good at hacking. There's a book written in nineteen ninety six by Assange and Suile At Dreyfus called Underground, and this is about the various prosecutions of people in the Australian hacking culture, which includes as songe.

Okay, so he did he get apprehended early on when he's a young guy?

Still he was in his early twenties when he got afriended. I think interesting, Yeah, he would be like twenty or a little bit older.

All right, And what's the official story of he gets caught, like what supposedly happened to him.

I don't think that he went to jail. I mean, he gets convicted, okay, but I don't think that he goes to jail.

Okay, Okay.

He's trying to hackeno no, no.

No, okay, I'm sorry. Continue, I'll jump in here in a minute. But he's trying to hack into.

What he's trying to hack in to telecommunications companies.

Okay, So the point of I'm sorry, I'm sorry, continue, go ahead.

So at this time, in the early nineties and late eighties, really most of it's the late eighties, the hacking culture is kind of like regional because they don't have the Internet or access to the Internet is pretty limited. They also have these other international networks, the X twenty five networks,

Just starting got it, and did I do want to interject this Assange gets caught early on.

He's young.

He doesn't seem to do time, is what you're saying, right, He doesn't really seem to get in trouble. And I mean one of the patterns with this sort of thing is if you are into this sort of thing and you're good and you get caught a lot of times you get recruited right by you know, name the agency or you know, group aspect of the government NSA or what have you. Like, Okay, if you come work with us, you know you're not going to get in trouble, but

Well, people have speculated about that. I don't really know for sure, yeah, yeah, but it's certainly something that people have speculated about.

Sure, so it's a possibility. Yeah, we don't know, but like that's definitely something that has happened with other people.

So who knows if that did happen. I mean it's interesting because if you think about anything with WikiLeaks and Assange, what most people think is that might be going on is they think that he's like working for the Russians, right, Okay, that's the conspiracy that the most, like the normalst normal conspiracy about him is that, like he helped the Russians hack the election in twenty sixteen, Okay, which would be kind of strange if he was an asset of the American intelligence exactly. Who knows?

Yeah, okay, I had I had forgotten that the story went that Assandra's part of the Russia Gate thing. I did not recall that.

Well, I mean, in some sense, he would have to be. I mean, he was communicating with people, or WikiLeaks was communicating with people. I think they were communicating with Guzifer or whatever, and maybe like Roger Stone or some of

But all right, well, anyway, I'm sorry to throw that dadgit in there. Let's continue with a san She's still a young guy. What's he up to now?

Well, interestingly, the next thing that he does is actually he starts one of the early ISPs in Australia. So, like I was saying, the Internet was just starting up at that time. Actually, it says here that he gets convicted in nineteen ninety six on Wikipedia. So I'm trying to think of when he started the ISP because I thought that he started it earlier than that.

Really, okays, a lot going on with the aside share interesting.

Well, yeah, so anyway, he seems like he started this ISP which was called Suburbia dot net in like the early nineties. Sometimes oh wow, in his conviction or maybe after, I don't know, but it was one of the first ISPs in Australia.

Okay, Well, he was a busy guy professionally and in his hacker in the hacker world, he was doing a lot. In his youth is the young years of his life. He's getting a lot of things going here.

He's kind of involved in activist culture and like just the early Internet culture. He has another website, iq dot org, which is like his personal site. So you can go to that, and you can also go to suburbia dot net. Go to either one of those. On the wayback machine you can find old stuff that Assaunch posted. And then eventually in two thousand and six is when he establishes WikiLeaks.

Okay, two thousand and six WikiLeaks. HiT's the scene? Okay, and what was the premiere of that? What was that looking like.

Like the first first thing they did or yeah, yeah, what was like it's like, okay, here's wiki leagues, Like what was that? What was going on? Well? He publishes those essays about his concept during the beginning the early period of WikiLeaks. It's kind of more of like aconceptual thing. He's trying to get people who are interested in this idea.

Okay, so he's putting the word out there like, hey, leakers, start leaking, I'm building a platform for you to be able to do it safely.

That's the idea. Yep, okay, yep okay. Interesting.

So it's fascinating to see how these things are put out just as ideas, like these countercultural ideas first and then to see what they actually turn into. So this is like the initial that phase where just advertising essentially. Yeah.

I think one of the early people who was helping him promote that was Daniel Ellsberg.

Okay, and and quite remember him. I don't I know the name who is Elsberg?

He? I think he's a guy who released the Pentagon Paper.

The Pentagon Papers. Okay, Okay, so he's he's a journalist.

Right, yeah, but he's also he like worked for the military, and there's some kind of he worked for the Rand Corporation. There's some conspiracy stuff about how maybe the Pentagon Papers was limited hangout. Okay, So it's kind of interesting to see in that context that he would be associated with wiki leagues. But his images in the public is mostly that he's kind of like a just like a sane which is that he's like a guy who believes in transparency and leaking government secrets.

Interesting, okay, so these Okay, So at this point, I mean it's important just to note that we have a growing list of accepted people given out into the public sphere. Of these are the countercultural people that are bringing out the truth of government secrets of corruption, and there is an infrastructure these people are part of it, and you know, take that for what it is. We're trying to figure out what that even means here, uh, but that's definitely something that has been going on all along.

Yeah. So at this point, we've kind of covered the whole period of history because we know what happens after that. Okay, And like you said, it's it's the counter culture, but what that actually means seems to have changed greatly from the time we're talking about with the these guys and stuff that would start happening after twenty eleven. And it's also you know, the tech culture of the Internet and people who were involved with the early Internet and how

Well, there's also that general concept you're alluding to is like, look, here's the Internet. It's going to be the great revealer of all truths, and it's going to swing open the door of all the secrets that were there before. No one's going to be able to hide anything. Corruption will be exposed. That's kind of like this idealistic concept that was put out from the start. These guys are the ones who are very much taking that idea and apparently making it into reality.

Suppose.

Yeah, so where are we going with a son from here? What do we do with this guy?

Well, I guess at this point, what are we trying to what question are we trying to answer about him?

Well, how does he tie into Well, I guess we spoke to hacker culture, but does he link back to Anonymous because we were talking about Anonymous in the previous episode. Does he have any ties of Anonymous or is Anonymous promoting him? And what is the plan that website? Does that tie into a songe in WikiLeaks somehow?

Soonge doesn't really tie into Anonymous in any obvious way. They both are things that originate from the same kind of counterculture of the actavist hacker culture. There might be some connections to uncover between some early like two thousand's and early twenty tens stuff about another Anonymous that that might show some connections there, but he doesn't really seem to. I mean, by the time Anonymous comes off of like four tan and Assange is like doing He's busy doing

Yeah, and very much Anonymous always comes off as like this art project more than even like activism.

Yeah, and there's connections to art subcultures, but like this kind of stuff is all can in the early cyber hacker activist culture, but asanj is more on the political side of it. I know something I can bring in here is this whole Cickeida thirty three oh one alternate

Yes, basically it's an idea of people. It's being done through forums in this case, But what it is is you try to do some sort of group project where you are on line but you're taking material from reality and somehow like building something. And the idea was that the Cicada game ends up building something, right, some piece of software. Am I all right in this?

Yeah? Yeah, it's kind of like an art project or like a game that mixes media and like reality. Mostly the format it takes, and it's existed before the Internet in kind of like the Discordian and like other countercultures. The format usually takes is that you'll like see a website with like some kind of puzzle on it. People will start talking about, like, what is the mystery about

Okay, so there's always some there's always some interesting form of promotion of these ARGs.

Yeah, there was an article as well that Assane was involved in some of this stuff during when he was in college. I can't find it though. It was when he was in college in Australia.

Okay, so he was he was setting up in alternate reality game ors. He he was like a player in one or something.

He was setting up. His college had some kind of like thing they would do where they would like publish puzzles in the college newspaper or something like that. But it was kind of the same idea. So, yeah, the Cicada thing. According to one person who says that they got to like the deep level of it or whatever it sounds like they were trying to create software for something like wiki leaks and the what is the plan stuff,

Yes, so they were the good guys in terms of this sort of rebellious countercultural tide, like WikiLeaks is the thing that we need to empower to bring to justice, you know, the powers that be or whatnot. That was just an accepted reality.

Yeah, among any of the websites where like slashdot or Reddit or any of these websites where hacker internet subculture people would go, it was unanimous support of WikiLeaks. Interesting, okay, And so I mean I think think it definitely does mean something that these games were connected because because QAnon absolutely ends up drawing from the same techniques as those games, and it's also obviously connected to WikiLeaks, okay.

And the techniques you're talking about is basically setting up an online community that interacts with one another, putting pieces of a parent puzzle together and crafting maybe a narrative or helping to craft some kind of weird narrative, is that what's going on?

Well with the Cicada one and the what is the Plan one, it was just pretty much like you solve these puzzles and then you get into this like chat room or whatever, and they start saying, like you've solved it, you're you're smart, and we need your help to like build this software. Interesting, So that's that part of it was kind of separate from the like the game part of it. It was kind of like after the game, they would say, well, you need to help us build this.

Got it, Yeah, for political ends. We're talking explicitly about policy, So it becomes explicitly political when QAnon shows up before not so much much tangentially, Maybe.

It depends on what you mean. I mean, you could say that it was even less political when it became q and on because q andon became like incoherent in terms of anything political.

Yeah, but at the same time, QAnon was always used to prop up the whole maga thing, isn't that. I mean, where we go, where we go, it just continues to be trust the plan, the plan being that Donald Trump is going to you know, do whatever it is.

Yeah, Well, it depends on what you mean by political.

Well, I mean that seems like it's that that seems as explicitly political as you can get, because we're talking about first of all, getting a president elected and then second of all, once they're elected, just cheering them onward because of whatever this weird ornate reality game you're playing. It's it's all, but we're talking about the president of

Right it is. But in another sense, it's also kind of like, uh, completely detached from any real political issues. So in a certain sense, it is it's it just brings up an interesting distinction with the term like what is really political activity's.

I mean, that's a wild dichotomy to think about, is the president of the United States. And then on the other end of this whatever, this meme game, online culture, hacker world is.

Yeah, and the people on four Chan who were doing that stuff were very open about what they what they thought they were doing.

Okay, so what were they saying they were doing.

Well, they said that they were basically doing chaos magic, which is basically the use of memes and the use of It's the same thing that these alternate reality games are in a certain sense, is that you can kind of reach out through the medium of the Internet and kind of tap into people's cognition and get them to repeat whatever you're saying, or get them to conduct research on your behalf and collaborate on projects. And this actually works.

Sure, so it's being present as definitely an occult concept, chaos magic, But what you're saying is that practically speaking, what they're doing when they say they're doing chaos magic is that this thing gets results and we can we can see that. So that's interesting.

I mean, it's kind of like the evolution of like how people used to think about TV, like controlling people and like turning people into zombies. In a way, it's kind of just like that, except as participatory. Now, got it.

It's well, yeah, the Internet is interactive. We're talking about forums. It's where people are communicating with each other. So it's taking this interactive communication network media and bringing in this occult chaos magic concept that kind of dovetails also with this weird sort of all art artistic slash activist communities. There's a lot going on.

Here, Yeah, there is, but you're getting the picture of it.

Yeah, right, So this is so we're talking about occult concepts, we're talking about practical technological innovations. I guess you could say, with the technical side of the Internet what it actually is. We're also talking about politics, we're talking about activism, We're talking about art, We're talking about narrative building and community building.

Well, that's very interesting if you're thinking of it in terms of like identity and the idea of the anonymous identity and like organization. I mean, the organization is a network. They're organizing people in a structure that is a network.

Yeah, they're always anonymous, they're an anon.

Yeah, And so it's kind of a question of like who is actually more like sociopathic between the two of those, because one of the ideas that the anonymous people would always kind of promote is that they're like ego lists or something because they have no identity. But when you look at the things that they've done, it turns out that, uh,

Kind of a it's a purity test. It's that they're they're undergoing like this purity test that they're in a competition with. There is an another occult aspect of this is who has less ego? Right, It's almost like they're buying for the Master's uh good graces or something, right, Uh huh. That's kind of an interesting way to take it. It's like who's who is the most pure in this?

What?

What kind of battle in heaven are we talking about here?

Right? Yeah, some of them have thought of it in those terms.

Yeah, Well, of course they have. They always It always ends up that way when we get onto things like this. But that's the way of things, I guess. Have we have we covered a songe to your liking? Is there anything else you think we should bring up with him? Or do you want to move on from here, because we could if you want to move on to QAnon itself. Is it too early to do that or would or do you would you like to?

Well, there's a lot of stuff in twenty eleven that we haven't exactly covered, but.

We could go back to that too. We could go back to that. How about that? What what should be? I mean, should we.

Could go to QAnon? Okay, here's here's something. I mean, there isn't any like order in which we should address this stuff. It's all connected. So yeah, that's true. So in my QAnon article, one of the thing that I start out with is to observe that in these cults, like you know, oftentimes involving the Great White Brotherhood, which is associated with the theosophy, I mean that's where it comes from.

Right, sure, Yeah, that's that's probably one of the earliest incarnations of that actual term Great White Brotherhood. But it definitely comes up again and again when you're talking about these occult groups, that's for sure.

And there's there's other kind of versions of that, like that are about some kind of secret society.

Yeah, I mean New Age groups are always using that like oh yes, we're part of the Great White Brotherhood and that they're saying how great it is. It's like these New Age cults always use that term.

So yeah, the observation and other people have made this observation as well. But the observation is that if you look at QAnon and the way QAnon actually speaks as well as sort of just the idea of this this entity or something that it that what these cults do is they often channel entity. That's like one of their big things.

Are they doing this explicitly? Are they explicitly saying hey, we're we're invoking this deity or they just kind of someone has.

Yeah, they do. They do that all the time. Okay, they have entire books full of channeled material. You you were you were talking about one of them in your book, but I don't remember what it was called. Yes, yes, there's endless amount of this material.

Well, it's it's it's it's an ongoing thing like any give any given like online platform and I see this on social media now TikTok is rife with this, with just TikTok user saying yeah, I just channeled an alien today. The audience name is this or that. So it's an ongoing it's an ongoing motif.

And those videos are weird and there's like thousands of those videos.

Oh yeah, they're endless. It's there's there's an endless there always have been online endless amounts of these things. So it's it's a pat uh.

So yeah, that's all. That's all that I'm talking about, except that when you look at QAnon, that is the same thing, or at least it appears like it could be the same thing, right, Okay, the way QAnon speaks, like have you read the posts?

You know what? I I never have dived into the actual posts looking at them myself, so though, so so go ahead and describe that for me and the audience here.

Yeah, Well, it's kind of similar to a lot of these channeled cult h channeled books and stuff. The the way the the the entity speaks is kind of like, uh, I don't know exactly why it is, but it's it just has a certain quality to it which is not it's not like conversational really it's.

Yes, it's it's it's cryptic. It's very cryptic. Right, there's all these cryptic messages that you need to pick up on.

Like there's a book I think it's by T. M. Lherman, which is on uh speaking in tongues. Okay, And so there a lot of people who have studied this feel like when people are doing this, they're not just making it up. They're like making their brain like do a certain kind of thing where like like automatic writing, so it has Look, the actual product has a kind of quality to it which is different than just like.

So this is this. This would be a skeptical take where you're saying, look, they may not be channeling entities, however, they are altering their consciousness when they're doing this.

Is that? Right?

Yeah, going into a different so state.

Well, it depends on I mean, there's different ways you could explain it. My explanation is kind of that it has something to do with like blanking out your own subjective consciousness and perhaps I don't know what happens after that. But so the observation here is that, let's say that we would make that observation that QAnon is like that. The other thing is that QAnon is like a wikileak source.

Okay, right, okay, yeah, yeah, it's like, oh look here's this insider information. And when you're saying I think I'm just going to point out with QAnon, it's like Q the character Q is like the the entity that's being channeled or is that what's going on here?

Yeah? Okay, yeah, but it's it's like a wikileak source in its content, which is government secrets. Okay, yeah, Because so that's kind of where I start.

Okay, Yeah, because QAnon is supposed, So the identity of q in the QA non forums is they proclaim that they're a government insider. They have all this inside information and they are leaking it to you, the user on this four ch eight chan forum in cryptographic fashion, like I'm going to tell you the truth in these cryptograms. It's up to you to unravel it. But it's all there for you. I'm giving you all the clues, right yep, Yeah, I know that much.

So that's kind of like the core premise of how I'm trying to analyze it is that it's similar to these cults, and it's also similar to WikiLeaks what WikiLeaks was actually doing. And when we look at the material history of q andon, it includes connections to WikiLeaks and WikiLeaks. Through the history of Assane includes connections to these kinds of cults. Okay, and then we can also from that point everything else that I add to it just through further research.

Okay, So you're just noticing the patterns and the similarities and how the confluence of these different things always seems to recur. Sure, Okay, very good, All right, let's continue on with QAnon, What the hell is going on in this mad house?

Well after about twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, a lot of people started to come out and talk about how they were the one who created QAnon okay, And a lot of these people would talk about this Cicida thirty three oh one game. Although the thing about that is that it's not very clear whether any of those people were telling the truth or like how much of what they said was true or not. So it's it's very ambiguous about any actual origin of like who was making those posts.

Okay, So you're getting something where it's like, hey, this is the real QAnon, but at the same time you're not getting any proof of anything.

Yep, okay, And a lot of people who are like professional journalists think that it was like Ron Watkins, who is the guy who works at eight chan.

Yeah, those were the that was the guy in the Philippines living is that right?

Yeah?

Yeah, I saw that documentary. I think that was on HBO even right.

Uh yeah, Well there was a HBO one and there was a VICE one. But it's it's not clear who made QAnon, but it is clear that there's a history leading back through the Cicada thirty three oh one stuff, which the people who were involved in that were also involved with the Seth Rich story, promoting that there's some connections to Michael Flynn in some of those people, as well as other just weird stuff that they're connected to, including like those same types of cults and like new

Yeah, because pizzagate Wiki Leaks was in on the pizza Gate story, right, yeah.

I mean they even made some posts on Twitter that we're seeming to like point to, like stuff that would promote Pizzagate within the leaks.

Okay, all right, So okay, Yeah, So that's the pizza Gate thing was huge in spurring on QAnon. I would say sort of QAnon was was born out of that in part Is that right?

Or am I wrong? Yeah? And Pizzagate in particular was huge, and getting Trump elected in twenty sixteen, the timing for that was perfect. For just the perfect impact right before the election got it. Yeah, it was.

It was the perfect storm, so to speak. It was what and what we're talking about is an election that was one on the premise that we're going to overthrow the deep state. We're going to do so by the means that we've learned through these alternate reality games that we've been playing for so long. It almost culminated in this election.

Is this right? Am I on the right track? Yeah? I mean a lot of people would be skeptical of saying that this stuff caused Trump to win, But if you actually witnessed it, I don't think you would think that. And even if you were just somebody who was on Twitter during the twenty sixteen election season and saw how the entire platform was flooded with that stuff, Yeah, it seems perfectly plausible. And all of that, like the whole meme war stuff comes from these techniques of like basically

But yeah, there's an inherent nihilism in all this too. That gets utilized over and over again. Yeah, because it makes the participants they get a feeling as though they're doing something but they're not culpable. At the same time, it seems like like they can get away with it without having any consequence.

Yeah, that's definitely part of it.

There's a lot going on here.

Why that's that part of it has been has been addressed more because a lot of the mainstream coverage of it has focused on they know, like the sociopathic troll culture.

Yes, yes, it has. I feel like the mainstream is trying to play ketchup on all this stuff, and to a degree they're doing it, but there's always a depth to this that's lacking, Like I never see anybody getting all the way there for lack of a better term, and being kind of ambiguous. But you can't help but to be because of the nature of this, and that's why this is so tricky, I think.

Yeah, and a lot of people in the mainstream, when they get to the deeper parts of the stuff, they will actually start to say, like this is conspiracy theory and therefore this can't be what really happened. Yeah, they think that it's actually encouraging the worldview of like what they think they're trying to combat. If they start to speculate about like this weird stuff that happened, and so they will just say that that's not what happened. It was just like uh, Jim Watkins.

Yeah, that's interesting. But it's almost like this system of getting things done to me, I see the results, so that speaks for itself, but almost has this built in immunity where as you're describing, nobody can challenge it.

I think occultism generally has that, Yeah, because people can't believe that it's effective, and so to the extent that it is effective, people can use it without nobody's gonna like put someone in jail for this. Even like the QAnon stuff, there's people out there who have like behaved in completely like ways that should be illegal, ways that have caused extreme levels of harm to other people, but

This is all fascinating and I love this, but I have to say, why we're towards the end of an hour, and I think, I mean, we may as well just end it here, unless would you really like to continue talking or would it be okay just say hey, we'll pick up with this again. We'll keep talking if we want to. No, this is good, okay, cool, Yeah, I'm right there with you, man, So we'll end this episode here. I want to thank you for returning to the show.

Yeah?

Okay, okay, Well, we'll stay in contact and we'll see how we feel and what we might want to talk about. But for now, why don't you once again let people know where your article series on this is how they can find that.

It's at medium dot com, slash at y h L y two F.

Okay, thank you very much, and I will put the link to that once again in the post to the age of transitions in this Why before you go? It's it. I've been thinking about this. We've got QAnon and you are you have become why Ann? Is that okay? Or do you not want? Do you not want that to be the case?

Well? I was thinking about that too, but it's kind of like already done. So I mean, I can just say that I'm not why then, but I think I think QAnon actually said that as well. I think I think QAnon posted and said, like, I'm just que I'm not QAnon. So but regardless, I'm I can't uh, I can't be that because like I'm not doing what QAnon does. I'm just like, uh like doing the opposite, So like I can't be so.

I'm just I'm giving you a hard time, man, I'm I'm having some but yes, once again, thank you for coming back and we'll see. Well, I've been having a lot of fun with this and I can't recommend your articles enough to people, So go check that out everybody. Thank you for listening to this episode of the Age of Transitions. There's no new Uncle the podcast this week. Just hang on next week Uncle and I will be back with a live show and everything. So thank you