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what a wrongful death is. According to the definition, okay, wrongful death the death of a human being as the results of a wrongful act of another person suss. Wrong flacks include negligence like caless driving, an intentional attack such as assault and or battery, a death in the course of another crime,
vehicular manslaughter, manslaughter or murder. Okay, And some of this stuff has been in the news lately, and there are many many different things we could reference, and in the next segment we'll get into some of the history. But let's talk about one of the most recent ones that might immediately spurn one of those new lawsuits. And again we're not getting into the courtroom action necessarily,
I don't want to do that. But the fact that there is a wrongful death concept one begs the question, is there such a thing as a rightful death or a righteous death? Okay, if someone is murdered, manslaughtered, accidentally killed, negligently homicided, etc. Yes, I know I didn't use the timber properly, but nonetheless you get the idea. If that happens, is there a rightful way? Is there a righteous way? That's always my question, and I guess that's the question. Maybe we'll try an answer
here. But anyway, in a recent news story, there's a wife of a man who died. This is from let's see the Yahoo news under insider, and I'll give you the links to all this stuff. In the show notes, the wife of a man who died after starting a fight at a Patriots game says her husband was verbally taunted by other fans. Authorities say they're
trying to figure out what happened. And this was published on the twenty first, excuse me, of September twenty twenty three, that thing allegedly according to a calendar, So this was only published a few days ago, because it's
the twenty fourth as I speak. And one does wonder right away if there's going to be a wrongful death suit against the stadium where the Patriots play, or if it'll be against the crowd, certain members of the crowd that will probably be identified through CTV, etc. Yeah, And is there a rightful death here? Possible? I mean, is this just a brawl from a
season ticket holder that that somebody could say as well? Just incidental? I mean, is incidental something it just you know, comes along with the territory, just happens. Is it a rightful death or a righteous death when it's in a military context? Oh wait a minute, that's a whole other, ugly legalistic problem. Anyway, It's not about the legalistic end of it. It's just about the phrase and what it means. A wrongful death seems like
if the death came prematurely, it's altogether wrongful no matter what. And in other cases you get, you know, charges of stuff, right, which means I guess we're going to have to go into some history. But again, let's go into some more recent history and tap into some of these other things. Everybody remember that guy Brandon Laundry, Right, he disappeared for a while, and so did his girlfriend. What was your name again, Gabby? Right, Gabby Potito? Is that what it was Anyways, I remember
her, I remember him. What are your thoughts on that, missus? Oh, well, his name is Brian, Brian Laundry, that's Brian Laundry. Well, the parents of of Gabby sued his parents were wrongful death. They're saying that that the parents of Brian Laundry knew where he was all that time when he was missing, so they sued wrongful death lawsuit against them. And they're also suing the Utah police because they were pulled over before obviously before
she was killed. They were they were fighting and some people called the police and they pulled them over and they separated them for a while and they had to say in separate hotel rooms for the night to cool off. But the parents of Gavy Petito are suing the mobs Utah police for fifty million dollars.
And we all remember that viral clip because that was a big deal for a long time, all over the media of all sorts, right, people analyzing it taking a look at it, the bodycam footage when they were separating, debating about what this was is this domestic violence wasn't heard just off for meds, etc. But we have a clip from NBC News about the current circumstance, which is that wrongful death lawsuit. This is from Let's see is this?
I guess it's a short from YouTube on NBC News. Let's just play the audio for you guys, and we'll hear it for ourselves here, so you and I will both mute up. Missus, Oh and take a listen to this. Judge and Florida is a warning Gavy Petito's family three million dollars and their wrongful death lawsuit against Brian Laundry's parents alleged the Laundries knew that their son murdered Thea Tito last August. The money will go towards the Gappy Patito
Foundation. Yeah, okay, so that was a real short, well edited clip to tell you that that one was handled. So they were awarded three million dollars in a wrongful death lawsuit against Brian Laundry's parents because again their claim being that they knew exactly where he was, they knew where she was, they knew what was going on. Maybe they knew she had he had already killed her and didn't turn him in and therefore they're involved. Now, wait
a minute, is that accessory after the fact? I mean, because clearly this was a murder or homicide of some sort. Well, could have been a manslaughter. I guess a little difference. Oh, het getting into the legalistic end of it. But it's a wrongful death and they're holding not him responsible because well he and around nowhere. He's gone, but the parents are still around and they're getting held responsible. So what are your thoughts on that?
Like the parents maybe knowing that something was going on, so now they're pulled in and that's three mill that's I mean, I don't know if they're ever going to collect it or I don't remember what the Gabby Petito Foundation is, but I know they started a foundation of sorts. But anyways, what are your thoughts on that? Missus All Well, I'm not even sure how they can prove that they knew about it. How do you prove that?
That's a good question. I mean, I guess you could say that, you know, since they maybe there's physical proof that they were with him at the time. Who knows, with all the recordings being taken to people nowadays, maybe there was a back and forth. Hey Dad, you know what happened. I know what happened. We'll just leave it at that and maybe he was getting ready to upload it to his Instagram or something, because these people were constantly uploading things to Instagram and stuff. Right, yeah, on
their trips they were. But there was always people after the fact, when he had come home by himself, there were always people outside their house screaming, you know, with bullhorns, about turning him in and tell us where he is. But at the end of the day, how can you prove, like, let's just say that that you did something wrong and I'm bringing
you food and whatnot unless I physically get caught doing it. How can you prove that I know where you were and I knew about it, And unless you know, I say something that clearly they didn't say anything, turn their son in, give him up. So I don't understand how you can actually prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt that they knew. Now, grant it's not criminal, it's civil, but it's still a lawsuit and you're claiming that they knew everything about it. I just don't understand how it can be
absolutely proven. I hate the fact that we got to go back again into courtroom drama. Screw that, you know what, why is it their responsibility? How about if their son. Do we know? I mean, look at it this way. If you came to give me food and I was on the run somewhere, and maybe I told you, even if you saw in the news that I was a suspect, a prime suspect, the only suspect, and I said, do you listen, I'm hiding over here. I didn't do what they said I did. I don't know what to do,
but I'm hiding over here. I'm trying to figure out what to do. And you brought me food, you gave me a comfort, shelter, assistance. You know, how do they know that? That's it's almost like you gotta know what was in somebody's mind. Were they participate? And besides that, how are they responsible for the death? This is after the fact. I'm not looking for the legal answer. I'm talking about, how is it that they're responsible? You see, you are responsible. You're being held
liable, You're being held responsible for a wrongful death. Well what part of the death did they participated? You see what I'm saying? Like, even if you say, okay, they helped him, knew he did it, so they're helping him get away, all right, I guess that's part of it. But what what what I mean? They're not in on the death itself. It's not like Dad called him up and said, look, hit her on the head this hard and she'll go. You know, you know
what I'm saying, right, So what does that mean? Yeah? I mean and and like you said, they're they're also going to go ahead and start a suit with the you know, the MOAD police Department because they didn't look into it hard enough. Cool. I get that part, uh, But but still I wonder, Well, that's that's a judgment call. That's a little difficult. And it's like, you know, Okay, there's no way with humans involved in the equation, you're always going to make the right
decision. I mean, wow, am I going to defend a copy here? I might? Uh, there's no way with humans involved in the decision that the decision is always going to be the best one. In hindsight, you'll be able to see things. But does that mean, hey, look, we better get more intense about flagging down on every single thing that looks even the least bit suspicious, just in case something else goes wrong in the future, because we'll be responsible for a wrongful death. See again, they
didn't participate in the death, and was it blatant on their part? I mean, did they see the guy standing over at her with a knife and go, well, look it looks like they're play acting. We'll just let it go. I mean, it's not an egregious, stupid thing that these guys did negligence. It seems like to me. I don't know. I'll tell you what else. I tried to pull up the article for the kid who died in the gym matt, which look, I was going to read
from the article, but it keeps popping a virus on me. Thank you thirteen MSA News. I keep trying to go to it because it happened in Georgia. Okay, and yeah, there's stupid website is loaded with some McAfee crap that is trying to invade my computer. So I'm not going to go to that article. But in case people don't remember, you know what I'm talking about, missus, Oh the case with the kid in the in the who was in the gym matt that was rolled up and dead. Do you
want me to try to get the article? No, I don't even try to get the article, just go from memory. If you wouldn't mind, and you know, just talk about this with me, because look, they're gonna go for a one billion dollars suit according to thirteen maz right. I mean, I guess they're going to try and sue everybody, the school, the police, everybody. And clearly that investigation appears to have been botched and not handled properly. But I asked again, are they involved in the death?
I mean, to my to my understanding, we still don't have an answer as to who was actually involved in the death of this kid, do we h. No, they're saying that it was an accident that he fell head first into the rolled up jim trying to get his sneaker. His name is Kendrick Johnson. Happened in Valdosta, Valdosta, George in twenty thirteen, right, ten years ago. Ten years ago. They claimed this kid died of as a result of an accident. But maybe he didn't. And what
about the investigation and who was involved? Because I mean, he did look beat up. I mean, is it possible that you know, this is just the wildly coyote stupid thing that happened to this kid. I guess that's a tragedy. That's terrible. Could it be that you hold the school responsible
they should have had things safety better so that there wasn't this possibility. I don't know a lot of things you could ask, but I want to know how it is they're being held responsible, because again, who would morally be responsible if this were an accident? What do you think? Well? I think it's a little bit stinky. I mean the whole Oh yeah, no, it it stinks. But yeah, the two kids that are cues are who I wouldn't say cues because they didn't go to court, but who were
believed to have had something to do with it. You know, their father's a big investigator with the FBI, and you know, it seems like an awful lot of covering up going on, so, you know, it thinks it sounds as though the investigation wasn't done completely okay, but bad investigation, bad pursuit, bad inquiry, mishandling of law enforcement responsibilities, et cetera. Maybe maybe I just concede all that, and I tell you, yeah, you know what, you're right, right, right, right right right?
Check check check? How are they liable for the wrongful death? You see what I'm going I'm looking at the suit trying to find that the actual court papers are are they being sued for the wrongful death or are they being sued for incompetence. Well, I saw wrongful death lawsuit. Now look it could be that there are other lawsuits that get you know, just kind of swept into this headline, swept into this. You know, I don't know file so to speak. You know, Look, it's about the wrongful death.
Maybe people throw that around, but again, I don't want the technicality of the court. I want to know how it is. Just let's just look at how you can hold somebody responsible right a wrongful death. I mean, even in the case of a vehicle accident, if somebody's drinking and driving, you say, okay, they're clearly culpable for a wrongful death in a car
accident. But people die in car accidents constantly, and unless you can find some direct, you know, action of negligence on the operator of the other cars or other vehicle or something's part, there's no wrongful death. It's just an accident, you know. So my big question is, again, how do you morally Because first of all, you got to have a moral problem, a conundrum, an issue before you can get into the legal case,
right, So how do you hold somebody responsible? I don't know what's going on with your computer there, but how do you hold somebody responsible at all for a wrongful death? So anyway, if your computer will let you, go ahead and tell us about that. I mean, what do you think? I'm sorry? Can you repeat that? I was turning the volume down on the computer so I can listen to you and not to be things. Yeah, no problem, you know what we'll do. We'll go to a
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wrongful death lawsuits. I mean, they've been around a while, quite a while, but really past I don't know, three decades or so, they've gotten a prominence in the news and stuff, and uh, you know, I also think to myself about the Martin Luther King Junior thing where there was
a wrongful death lawsuit. It was a civil suit, that's where they had that in Memphis, and they got it on the record that there was a conspiracy involved there, but there wasn't a big multimillion dollar reward check into what the actual award to the King family was despite the fact that it was a
moral victory. Anyway, I'm still asking the question about wrongful death, and maybe we'll see it better if we take a look at the history, because people might have become more litigious in the past I don't know, decade or two. Maybe they've gotten more access to the idea. And there's a whole lot more lawyers out there because more and more get produced every single year, and some of them are out there slumming and looking for the ambulance chaser type
jobs, etc. Etc. And I guarantee a lot of those guys get involved in these wrongful death things. But there's also a guy named Crumb who seems every time that there is someone of color and the police involved, he wants to get involved. There's always settlements lawsuits there. Anyway, I don't want to go for the courtroom drama. But let's get a list of the historical instances. I think missus O has the top five as listed by the way. What website is that top five from missus O? And go ahead
and tell us about the top five wrongful death lawsuits settlements? Okay, d law groups dot com and see to the site I'm looking at. I can drop that in the chat real quick. I'll read their definition of wrongful death and then I'll go through the five. Wrongful death is a legal term that, although use frequently in litigation and even news reports, it is not always
understood. Wrongful death it's a part of personal injury law. It can encompass a variety of claims, including medical malpractice, assault and battery, or serious car accidents. If you hear the phrase wrongful death, it's most likely referring to a civil suit brought by a family member or eligible survivor of a person who died to someone's negligence or misconduct. Okay, so, in the wrongful death lawsuit, the goal is to recover damages in three different categories, economic,
punitive, and non economic. Even if criminal charges have been filed and lost, wrongful death lawsuits may still be pursued. Some of the most famous wrongful death cases include State of California versus O. Jason's. In nineteen ninety four, Nicole Brown Simpson, the ex wife of O. J. Simpson, and Ron Goldman were both found dead from stab wounds outside Brown's Los Angeles home. Simpson was acquitted in the criminal case despite strong evidence signing into the
murders. A subsequent wrongful death sibbles claim was filed. The cool Brown's children were awarded twelve point six million through her estate, and the victims families were awarded thirty three point five million income compensatory and peanut of damages in the wrongful death decision. Okay, hang on just a second there, because this is actually under RUFO v. Simpson two thousand and one. Okay, and this is from the justia dot com cases files, and that'll be included with the
show notes. I'll try and get it over Toocelly dot com real quick to put it in the live chat. Of course, you can always run back to live chat at ochelly dot com when you want to and get yourself references to things that are going on during the show. Even if fits long after. You can roll it back according to the date and take a look if you like. But you never know, you never know what it is. We might drop in there. So I put the descriptor for that lawsuit in
at the chat room. Anyway. It tells you the number and it says it's Sharon Ruffo at all Plaintiffs and Respondents v Oorental James Simpson. That would be OJ in case you didn't know, defendant and appellant Superior Court of Los Angeles blah blah. All right, counsel, they list the council and the opinion introduction. Consolidated civil actions arise from the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman. A jury found the defendant, OJ Orenthal James Simpson committed
these homicides willfully and wrongfully with oppression and malice. Sharon Ruffo and Frederick Goldman, the parents and heirs of Ronald Goldman, were awarded eight point five million compensed story damages on their causes of action for a wrongful death. Okay, gonna pause there, because when you have compensatory that means compensation, and when you have you know, the others, those are just sort of moral victories.
We get to say that, well, bottom line. And Lewis H. Brown, as personal representative of these states of Nicole Brown Simpson, was awarded minor compensatory damages blah blah blah blah. The cause of action Nicole Brown Simpson would have had if yeah, they like, this is about what she would have earned if she had been allowed to live. Stuff like that awarded to her estate. Obviously that involves the children eventually, but somebody else is
handling at one of the Brown family, Lewis H. Brown. I forget who he is exactly, but anyway, the point is that there's compensation involved in some cases, and then it's a matter of well, just responsibility being ascribed in civil matter, all right. I get that in this kind of a case, because the idea is even though he, you know, was acquated on charges in the criminal court, we want a different victory. But sometimes these people go after it even when there has been a criminal conviction.
Sometimes and just like you read in the definition, which by the way, it's not the top five lawsuits, but five good examples according to them, they just you know, these are prominent examples. So I see they noted that there. They're not the top five, but we only got through one so far. I'm gonna let you continue on with that in just a second. But the deal is there, there's a bunch there, but I don't
get some of them. This one makes sense to me. And this is the first one that came to my mind, even though I mentioned the King case, because it's one of the ones that I've actually had to study and read the transcript on that. Okay, but and I read some of this stuff before the transcripts from the uh you know the Goldman uh you know Simpson
kind of deal rufo obviously and all that. I went through that and Fred Golden and was the you know, the prominent guy he saw in the news with the big mustache and everything, and they certainly went to try and collect stuff. And then that later on led to the whole thing about you know, what happened to OJ's memorabilia, and then the case where he did go
to prison over that situation in Vegas. And I'm one of these nuts, you know, of the opinion that he probably wasn't guilty of that mess in Vegas, but somebody wanted to nail him because he was guilty of the murders. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, but I'll tell you what. That's the way it looked to me. And I was watching that trial every day, and that trial was in the nineties, but of course in two
thousand and one they finally got this ruling. So anyway, back to the other because that's only one of the five examples, right, so there's four more. Go ahead, missus, oll give us the other four, all right. The next one is Michael Jackson. In two thousand and nine, Michael Jacksons died of an overdose from the anesthetic football. I don't know if I'd pronounced that correct. Mary Jackson Soctor was administering the drug and was convicted
in two eleven of involuntary homicide. The Jackson family dropped their wrongful death case against doctor Murray, but pursued acclaim against AEG, the late musician's concert promoter. The Jackson's family ultimately lost that case in twenty thirteen, but it is known as one of the most famous wrongful death actions. Ah. Okay, so there's a case of a loss, and one might say that going after the doctor sounds logical if in some way the music company's treatment of Jackson contributed
to his death. Okay, I could understand that too. But they lost that and didn't pursue the doctor. And one would think the doctor would be somebody worthy of pursuing because he actually took some you know, willful action, which directly and that was that propofol that you know, using that paralytic drug to basically give him a sleeping pill on demand, but a paralytic drug nonetheless, and his administration of it led directly to Jackson's death, So you know,
I would think that would be a logical one. But yet here we go, no ruling in favor of the people trying to get either compensation or proper representation of liability in that death. So that's the way that turned out. But again, I don't want to delve too deep into the courtroom drama. Here go ahead, tell us the next one. Okay, the next one is Flando Castile. Castilla, at black Man, was killed in two
sixteen by a Minnesota police officer after a routine traffic stop. In twenty seventeen, the officer was cleared a second degree murder, sparking protests and calls for reform. A wrong flip depth civil action was brought shortly thereafter. In the final settlement, Castilli's family was awarded three million in wrong fo de damages. Right. Yeah, cop should have been thrown in jail. Now, how that cop didn't go to jail kills me too, because I saw that video.
I see the circumstance. I mean, a guy with a legal gun says listen, I'm armed. Cop shot him through a closed door. You know, sat and his girlfriend in the front. Oh, yeah, yeah, the girlfriend and the baby get to you know, witness him bleed out pretty much because he didn't make it. That was that and that was a horror show. And three million, okay, now Fernando Castillo or you know, and here we go into what is the value ascribed? Right? This
guy's worth three million? Uh you know, I mean you might get thirty bucks for me hunt, you know, if somebody shoots me like this. I'm just saying, I don't know if it'd be worth filing. But they give different values and all this stuff, and it is based on usually what you go for and what it is you claim they could have earned, and
what it is that they their responsibilities were, et cetera. All right, I get all that, and in this case again I would go for this one and they got a result, unlike the Jackson family who got nothing. Anyway, what's right, what's the next one on the list. The next one is George Floyd and the sucking act of brutality. Police officer Derek Schauvin knelt down on George Floyd's neck during an arrest in twenty twenty, leading to
his death. Floyd's wrongful death case caught the attention of the entire world. The city of Minneapolis agreed to pay twenty seven million dollars wrongful death settlement to Floyd's family. Additionally, Schauvin was criminally convicted for second degree their degree and second degree man slaughter. They said second degree twice. But yeah, yeah, well and there you go. Look again, opinions divided the country.
So I don't need to go back over that, do I probably not sparked a bit of a movement, you know, the summer of George Floyd, all of this, and there were others, you know, that died around that time period that became part of this whole thing. And people are still angry about the idea that there was damage done to cities and oh that was all black lives matters, riots and so on and so forth. But see
again, let's get back to the first thing. And even there it's devisive because people were saying, now, this guy killed himself because he was taking drugs, etcetera, etcetera. Okay, but would he be dead had it not been for that situation? And they just agreed to pay it. They didn't even take that to court, did they. I don't believe so. And why is this guy worth twenty seven million and Castillo's worth three. See, it's a weird thing to look at when people are being balanced out in
the court as to what is the worth of a human life? Isn't that a bit you know? And like I said, may maybe you get thirty bucks for me, right, And hey, if somebody's ninety years old, they wouldn't have lived much longer anyway. I mean, maybe they're only worth a grand or two, right, I mean, if you don't have a long light ahead of you. So what I mean? You know, seriously, what does that mean? I'm serious though? Why is one guy worth
twenty seven million? Oh? I know why he's worth twenty seven million is because all the media attention, right yeah? But other than that, in a real moral see, I'm back to the moral instead of illegal. I don't want to do courtroom drama. This is not law and Order SVU, So screw the courtroom drama. Tell me why it is that this guy's worth so much more money. And by the way, I'm one of these people who thinks that George Floyd was wrongfully killed by the cops. And please don't
write to me about it. We've already done this. I'm sick of talking about it. But the point is that what is the value ascribed here and wrongful death? Okay? Is if you take the position that the cops actions led to the wrongful death, I mean, do you sue the company to sue the city? Do you sue everybody? Right? Well, in this case, the city paid. You know, the city obviously has twenty seven
million dollars. It doesn't say in the Philanda castilling case if the officer was responsible for paying three million, or the city the city where he was from, the state of Minnesota. Yeah, we'll see. But grant you that a city or a state or whatever has more access to cash. Now, it doesn't mean that they can afford twenty seven million dollars just simply awarded to a family. Uh, that doesn't produce something within the city. Right.
People want a bitch about their property taxes getting collected or whatever. But here's the thing. If your money has to go toward that hell of an expense, you know, I'm not making the judgment here again in a courtroom, because as you can see, these these results do vary. But what I'm saying is moralistically, who is really responsible here? I mean, is it the cops actions. Is that the training of the police is that, you know. And again, they didn't even take it to court and argue it.
They just said, look, we'll just pay you. Probably they sought more money. And I guarantee you that guy Crump was involved in this thing. Oh yeah, that's a promise. And again, even if you agree with them or disagree with them or whatever else, I'm talking about the implication of a wrongful death in the first place. So and what that actually means. Meanwhile, what do you got one? Two more? Right? I
had one more? But I do have a quick question. Sure, I don't remember the name of the kid, but a little boy who wanted to be Rambo for the day and went into that city and was shooting people. You remember one time out he got cleared from murder. Oh oh oh yeah, yeah yeah right. No, I'm wondering. I don't think any of the family members of the people that he killed will then he wrongful death.
I'm curious as to why. Yeah, I don't know. You know what, And here's the thing that could still come up, right, and that's the kid that they decided was not responsible for. You know, this is the kid in Kenosha right in Wisconsin, who crossed state lines and was under age with the weapon. But he was out there supposedly defending businesses. Blah blah blah. Forget his name. I don't even care. He was a kid who was crying in court. Again, super divisive issue. Now,
even if he's not criminally liable, is he responsible for wrongful death? Well? Is it a wrongful death? He? Now? Now we get into another question and one that I don't even want to answer, because I think this kid is responsible, should have been held accountable, should have been just put in prison and the story. But that's not the way the courts saw it. So you know, I got to live with that decision. But
facts or facts, the civil decision is different than the criminal. So is he responsible considering the fact that he pulled the trigger that did end lives, you know, and actually maimed the hell out of somebody else? Is he responsible for it? That's the big question? Uh? Yeah? And and could somebody? I guess they could, But will they Maybe maybe they've already, you know, settled something quietly out of court. Maybe there is no
settlement. Maybe they don't want to open that can of worms already because it turned that kid into a celebrity when he was acquitted by the way, and the Republicans were wanting to offer from a job bring him up on the hill. They were talking about maybe trying to get him into the House of Representatives even uh, yeah, I don't know at all. Yeah, And now that kid has kind of quietly gone away from the news speeds, So I don't know. Do you have one more? Yes, there's one more on
here, and it is Kobe Bryant. In two twenty one, Vanessa Bryant, Kobe's widow, and families of additional victims in the tragic twenty twenty helicopter crash, where awarded or confidential wrongful death settlement after filing a suit against the
company which employed the pilot. In two twenty three, a twenty eight million, eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars wrongful death settlement was awarded to Vanessa Bryant after filing a separate claim against Los Angeles County for police personnel sharing graphic images
of the crash with one another. Oh yeah, but see now that was an invasion of privacy kind of thing where they were exploiting images of her husband and daughter's dead bodies, right, So that lawsuit, yeah, I I you know, look, usually when rich people go suing people, I am not on their side, you know. But uh, and and trust me, Kobe's widow is is gonna be fine with or without money. Okay, she's got plenty of his money still. But well, usually about the money,
I mean they were disrespected. I mean the child, yeah, exactly, No, no, no, no, I agree him, But that's a dead Normally I would say, you know what, shut up, rich lady and go away. But this was pretty egregious and pretty ugly that you know you're gonna explore exploit a human beings death scene. Uh, you know, for profit. No, I get it in this case. I get
it. Now onto the wrongful death part of it, where it's they're trying to go after the helicopter pilot and I think the company, the corporation that hired the guy in the first place or kept him employed, or I don't know who else they're going after. But but the thing is, now we get into this idea of corporate And by the way, I have a sound clip to play from another case which I don't know a lot about, actually
a Malory beach. So why don't you tell us a little bit about that, because let's see the headline and I'll give you guys this link in the live chat room and also give it to you in the show notes. But I mean the headline is video wrongful death lawsuit of Mallory Beach reaches settlement And I don't even remember this wrongful death? What do you do? You have anything on it? Or should we just go to the clip or what?
Well? I can I have something about it? Okay, and I have just put it in the live chat room at o'chelly dot com for those of you listening, or if you want to go back and roll it back or go to your show notes if you're listening to the podcast. It's fine because we're about up against the next break here on the sloper. But you know, there it is. And I am going to play the audio from this thing in a moment. So do you have it up or shall I go
to the audio? I have it all right. Mallory Beach was the young woman that was killed on the boat with Alec Murdoch's son Paul. So a settlement has been reached in the death of Mallory Beats, the woman killed in South Carolina boat crash that's become the subject of national media attention. The insurance company covering Greg Parker of Parker's Convenience Stores had settled with the family, according to an attorney in the case. Okay, let's die on February twenty four,
two nineteen. Excellent, let's have yeah, let's hang on there, because this ties to the Murdoll case. Okay, but it's about the now deceased Paul Murdoch, right, who was getting sued. His family was getting sued over this other accident that occurred. You know, I'm calling it an accident because I don't have better words for it, where they were drunk driving a boat and slammed into a bridge and all this other crap. This is what it's about. I forgot by name. Mallory Beach. Is the name
I forgot, now you know? Yes? Yeah, okay, so now I get it. And that's what it's tied to now, wrongful death because somebody's negligent and they shouldn't have been drunk driving the damn boat and shouldn't have been drinking in the first place, et cetera, et cetera. All sensible, But when you're talking about these Parkers to settle with the family of Mallory Beach. That's the people that own the joint where they got the beer and the booze. Yeah. Yeah, that's the liquor store that he went into
with his brother's I okay, so let's just alcohol. Excellent. So let's just play audio from this clip, which is let's see where's this from. This is from the Low Country's newsleader. All Right, WCSC Channel five. I don't know what network affiliate they are, but whatever it is, they might be independent, or maybe they're one of those well not independent but appearing to be independent whatever Sinclair Network people. I'm not sure. I don't know.
Let's find out and I'll just play this audio. Hopefully it doesn't blast me a commercial here when I try and open it. But let's see what happens regarding this settlement with the Mallory Beach family. So go ahead and mute up, missus os so we don't interrupt this, and I'll be quiet also, and we'll take a listen to this news report. It shouldn't take talking cars or flying first. Hold on a second, guys, Yeah, so of course they stuffed me with a commercial right out of the gate instead of
letting me go ahead. And you know right, we can't just play the video and get and get the sound. No, I gotta go with this stupid lawyer thing. So hold a second, folks, we'll get her done in just a sec. Here. Yeah, they were hitting me with a lawyer thing. Maybe they'll let me skip again. Foundation problems. We'll only get bigger, more expensive. So I'm gonna I'm gonna just mute it and let it play the commercial because it's not letting me skip the commercial. Thanks
Live Sunday Sloper. That's the way it goes. The Parkers that Parker's Corporation will be paying fifteen million dollars to the family of Mallory Beach. Beach was killed in a twenty nineteen accident while voting with the late Paul Murdoch, son and victim of convicted killer Alec Murdoch. While investigating Beach's death, surveillance video was found that shows Paul buying alcohol under age at Parker's convenience store the night
of the crash while using his brother Buster's ID. A family attorney also said that fellow passengers on the boat that night have also settled claims against Parker's. The settlement means the civil case that would have taken place August fourteenth will not take place. Okay, So they settled instead of you jeez, all right, and they hit me with another commercial right at the end, they settled
with with with a bunch of crap. They settled with everybody who was affected by the fact that alcohol was served to an underage kid because of a bad ID check at their convenience store. And this is very similar to the bartenders getting sued over DUIs right, I mean, except not a car, it's a boat. What is their level of responsibility and wrongful death? Is that something they should be held liable for a lot of people would say yes.
And I've known people that were killed by drunk drivers. A matter of fact, one of the first, not the first, but one of the first traumatic deaths eyewitness in my life was as a result of a drunk driver nearly took me by I don't know, six eight inches and took a friend of mine when I was a kid. And yeah, so maybe I'm a little by about this, but uh, should I have been able to sue that
lady too? And so should my friend's family In his wrongful death and in the madness that became, you know, my nightmares for the next few years. Maybe maybe so, maybe not, Maybe that influenced my behavior, CAUs detrimental effects on me. I mean, lots of things to be said. I think they went after him because they could. And probably this is a fairly rich little family business thing. The Parkers, whoever they may be, maybe if you're in South Carolina, they're famous people. I don't know.
But but here we go. Is it about the money or is it about just getting recognition that there is a wrongful death, et cetera, et cetera. I don't know if I'm going to include this link in the notes because you're getting pummeled by commercials every time you touch it. But I guess that's one way to go, giving out media and all that stuff. But here
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ago, a commercial misques and all trying to play videos. So we're gonna leave this uncut in the podcast. Just see, you guys hear exactly what it sounded like. We could cut it into something a lot slicker and you know, get rid of some of my little flubs and so on and so forth, but why do that. You can hear the raw broadcast on Ocelli dot com as we put it out in podcast form. So number two is
all about the wrongful death. And we were talking about a small company, seemingly a family owned business, likely a couple of layers of LLLC, the Parkers getting sued over the beach. Right, the girl's name is Beach Malory Beach over the Mallory Beach death, and it links to the Murdock case and all that stuff. But you have a list of the top five corporate entities or something like that. Now this is a top five list, not just
five of examples, but a top five list is sorts. So go ahead and tell us about that, and missus though, okay, Johnson and Johnson In twenty eighteen, a Missouri jury awarded four point six nine billion dollars in damages to twenty two women who sued the corporation alleging that the use of their top and powder products led to the development of ovarian cancer. Six of the
women named in the wrongful death suit had died from the disease. Okay, pause there just for a second, because I point out this lawsuit all the time. And why billion dollar lawsuit over baby powder? Is there a wrongful death involvement here? If you willfully knowingly put something into baby powder that wound up causing cancer? I kind of think so. And again I got no sort of sympathy for corporations. Is anybody gonna bother to sue them over their
role in the opioid crisis? I don't know. I don't know, But here we go again. Is it about the money or is it about the moralistic end of it? And by the way, if it was only twenty two women that were involved in that class action lawsuit, I know that there is now today a bunch of commercials out there saying, hey, if you were damaged by baby powder, get in touch with us, because we got
a class action lawsuit for you. So I don't know if that joins you to this thing, this six billion dollars, or if there's yet another suit against them. And oh, by the way, do you think Johnson and Johnson can afford it? Probably anyway, good and tell us about the next one on the list, okay, Bowing. In twenty twenty one, Bowing agreed to pay two point five billion dollars to Suddlely, a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the families of passengers who died in two crashes while traveling on the
company seven thirty seven Max planes. The crashes, which occurred in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, resulted in the death of three hundred and forty six people, and the controversy surrounding these events was featured in a next documentary, though it does not give me the name of the documentary. Yeah, no problem, we don't necessarily need it. I mean, after all, does anybody who listens to this show, this network, or this type of radio have
any sort of mercy in their minds for the military industrial complex? I mean, I guess if you're a stockholder, you might. But can Boeing absorb that given all the money they make. Did they have problems with this one particular big plane they did? Are they responsible for it? Who's responsible for it? Or is it particular people, is it people on the factory floor, is that the company as a whole? Again, moral responsibility for wrongful
death is still kind of an open question. But due to the fact that I have got zero sympathy for the corporation, and usually they settle these things, you know, which means they decided they'd rather just kind of admit some sort of fault, although not publicly, maybe in the sealed documents, say look, we were at fault, but we don't want the public to know about it. Here's some money up, go away. Yeah, that's the
thing too. So anyway, that means that people weren't trying to make a big, huge point of it and wanting to get all the details out there. But maybe they wanted the money, or maybe they want them is great
enough to compensate them for all of the moral outrage that they had. And well, there's something to be said for changing one's life, and you know it, billions of dollars, even if a billion of that winds up funneling to one particular family or something or many many millions, hundreds of millions to particular families or whatever it is. Maybe that's compensation and recompense enough anyway, So that's just two of them. What's the third one? Oh right,
Philip Morris. In two thousand and two, a Los Angeles jury awarded twenty eight billion dollars in damages to the family of a smoker who died of lung cancer. The verdict was later reduced to twenty eight millions, but the initial decision was important because it represented the first time a tobacco company was held liable for the death of a patron smoker. Ah. Now there's an interesting question again, because that's a hell of a reduction, twenty eight billion to twenty
eight million? Is that? Is that the correct numbers? From what I'm reading? I mean, Okay, no hell of a reduction there, twenty eight million, nothing to sneeze at, and it is significant, sure, And it is the first time that a tobacco company was held liable. Now a lot of people go, well, you're stupid enough to smoke. And by the way, I'm smoking while I say this, and an addict of the Philip Mars products myself, here's the thing. They kind of intentionally created
addicts by manipulating their product in such a way. That's one problem they had here with this modern lawsuit. It's not based on the old idea that they used to sell this in advertising, literally showing you doctors smoke and go doctors smoke camels. You know they used to do that, right, Doctors smoke camels and lucky strikes. These are their preferred cigarettes. You know that, right? Yeah. I mean there was even some sort of commercial out there.
I think it was a Billboard commercial that was like, you know what, leading four out of five doctors recommend that you eat whitecastle and smoke a Lucky Strike. I mean literally they combined these two things. I mean, that's hilarious to us nowadays, but that was a real thing, like in nineteen fifty one or something. Look, somebody look it up. I know this advertisement exists, and it's not just the photoshop creation. It was a real thing. Yeah. And I mean, of course Playboy magazine would sell
you cigarettes. They sold, you know, the feminine cigarettes to women, the Virginia slims, right, the skinny cigarette, the feminine cigarette extra long and extra thin, so it's nice and feminine, just like you baby, you know, Virginia Slims. They marketed this stuff beyond Joe Cambell, beyond the Marlboro Man. True, but that's not what the modern lawsuit is about.
The modern lawsuit is manipulating nicotine to a degree and creating chemicals in the cigarettes unnecessary except to create addicts, unfairly create what product loyalty, and yeah,
that's gonna lead to some people's deaths. And some people would say it's not very libertarian of you to think that this is a good idea, But I don't think people just because there's liberty involved means that, you know, corporations with greater resources have the unfettered ability to at all times exploit people's weaknesses
directly simply because they have the greater resources. They can hide it, they can package it in such a way and say, look, you know what, we're going to get you a dicred to this or that, whether it's you know, high fructose corn syrup or it's nicotine, or it's these other additives to the cigarettes that you're gonna have to shake and stir over and want to cut your you know, cut your roommate's head off over if you don't have a cigarette. No, no, no, no, it's not It's
not just about that, But it's not about liberty there. Your liberty should not be encroached upon by people unfairly doing things like that to you. So, I don't know. It's a mixed bag. But corporations again, do I feel bad for Philip Morrison? Could they absorb twenty eight million or all the other lawsuits they they've absorbed abs positively? So you know, I don't I don't feel I don't know. I don't feel bad for the corporation. But anyway, you got two more, don't you? Ah? Yes,
okay, Xson Mobile. In two thousand and nine, Xson Mobile agreed to pay one point one billion dollars to Suddenly Wrongs Will Debt lawsuit filed by the families of workers who died in the nineteen ninety eight explosions at the company's refinery in bum or Beau Mount, Texas. Fifteen workers perished in the blast and dozens more were injured. Now take note in the listener's mind, I want
you to take this this very careful note. I bet most of you remember headlines from all of these other lawsuits in the big corporate world except this one so far. You know why? Okay, Being somebody who has worked for x On Mobile in the past, full disclosure, guess what, I know that they have a very effective and very thoughtful pr machine and play at all times. They learned that hard lesson after becoming the oil spill company. Despite
the fact, you know, the Exon Valdis. Everybody remembers that, and they didn't want that to occur again because during that same year, this is a true fact, by the way, during that same year, there was something like a hundred other spills larger than the Exxon Valdis in the ocean,
all over to place, all over the world. As a matter of fact, if you were to make a map of the large oil spills in the amount of the area of the ocean that they covered during that year alone, you would find more than half of the ocean water on the planet seemingly covered on most maps. Okay, from different companies, not just Exon Mobile, not just from tanker spills, but different spills all over the place. It just happened, and you know what, it happened the year before, it
happened the year after. It continues to happen, but what do you not hear about? Not so many of them. Yes, I know, we heard about the BP thing, and that was a massive spill that really wrecked an area so much so that it couldn't be ignored. But unless you have a population getting directly affected, and unless people really turn up with a whole lot of dead animals, like all in one shot somewhere, they steer this and do a serious pr effort to make sure they guess what you don't see
it. So I bet people don't remember the refinery in Beaumont, Texas lowing up, And if they do remember it, they don't remember how many deaths there were. Like in other words, the details are all awash, gone right down the memory hole on purpose because they can afford to spend millions of dollars to do that instead of paying people a whole lot. And by the way, they did pay people a bit, but quietly, and that's what they do. So just keep that in mind. And you got one more,
don't you miss his own? Yeah, beam mass moon is DuPont. On twenty seventeen, DuPont agreed to pay six hundred and seventy one million dollars to settle thousands of lawsuits filed by residents of Parkersburg, West Virginia, who claim that the company's dumping of a toxic chemical into the local water supply caused them to develop cancer and other diseases. The settlement included compensation for wrongful death
claims. The Little Gastion process was featured in a twenty nineteen film starring Mark Rufollow entitled Dark Mark Ruffalo. Yep, who nowadays is what the hulk? Right? I think he's the hulk in the Marble universe. So anyway, other people were turning green over the chemicals being dumped in the water in West Virginia. Okay, now here's what's horrible. There are tons of these lawsuits all over the place. That just happens to be the big ticket one,
but there's much smaller settlements paid out all over the place. And then there's agreements about cleaning stuff up and everything. And guess what again, just like the Exxon Mobile thing, you could dot be in the United States on the
map with these things really easily. Matter of fact, I'll bring one up right now that you and I were in very close proximity to missus oh seeba geigy, and they're chemical poisoning of the water table in New Jersey created a massive chemical problem which created all sorts of childhood cancers, a whole bunch of
toddlers. They couldn't side whether it was the overhead power lines or it was Seba Geigy's chemicals, one way or another, but one of the most massive toddler can cancer clusters on Earth was created as a result of what is likely both things in a place called Tom's River, New Jersey. Now do you see massive headlines about this nowadays? Is this one of those cases environmentally they
go to what about Seba Gegy? Uh, No, you don't, because Seba Geigy's one of those chemical companies that probably has been folded into some other multinational conglomerate at this point, I think, and is owned by you know, the people that blah blah blah whatever. Eventually it gets either Coca Pepsi, some major corporation, and black Rock owns a piece of everybody. Dunt dunt done anyhow, That's all it is. They've done this all over the
country. Flint, Michigan, the spill offs, the chemicals from the car companies, the stuff in Georgia, the stuff in North Carolina. Remember we were reading about how they're going to give us like five dollars off of our water bill because the water was poisoned a couple of years ago. You know, weird stuff, and their compensation packages are weird all over the place.
Some of these six hundred billion dollars things involved rebates to customers, which are too funny, and it usually as a result of a massive class action thing like how many times has a Bank of America now been sued for screwing over their customers one way or another? And I recall when I was a Bank of America customer, I saw a whole thing about how wow, man. You know, I know over the years, I paid hundreds of dollars in
ATM fees that were pretty unfair. I remember one time getting charged for you know, in action and too much action at coming out of my bank account, right, excessive activity and insufficient activity in my checking account on the same month statement, right, stuff like this, And then I saw the lawsuit. Don't worry, you'll be compensated. I think we all got five dollars gift cards from freaking Bank of America. Okay, seriously, if you were
a customer during this time period. Please fill out your name and admit that you want a piece of this settlement A five dollars gift card. Yeah so sometimes, and look if you add those all up, they might be twenty million, thirty million dollars and five dollars gift cards too, you know, millions of customers. But it is that an effective way to deal with intentional wrongdoing? And that's not death, that's just somebody ripping you off anyway,
These are wrongful deaths we're talking about. Now, are they responsible when they willfully, knowingly poison somebody's water supply? I'm thinking yeah. And again I guess bias against the corporation is a problem for me. But what are you supposed to do when they behave the way that they do? So back to the smaller end of the pool if you don't mind, I mean, because you're you're done with the top fives and all that stuff, right, Okay,
So back to the smaller end of the pool. We talked about the Parkers and their ownership of a they say convenience store looks like a liquor store. To me, maybe it's a little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. Maybe it's a convenience store that sells a lot of booze whatever, and they didn't card the kid properly because he was using his brother's ID to show that he was over twenty one. And the guy's name was Buster, just like my dog. But anyway, no, that's true.
True, that's the murder case keeps on giving with the craziness. Okay, But there's more to it, because there was stuff going on before the murder and what before this boating accident, another wrongful death circumstance, which is overly complicated, crazy came up during the murder trial and was certainly given a whole lot more daylight in the news outside of South Carolina. And you got a little something on that, don't you. There was another case. What
was that? Okay? That is regarding his housekeeper, right, okay. Gloria Centerfield, a humble, hard working mother of two, was employed as a housekeeper and nanny for the Murdoch family for two decades. It's twenty years. So she raised those boys right basically. After her tragic trip and faul death at their home in twenty eighteen, she and her family became one of
Alex's many victims. If you look at the if you look at all the victims of Alex, said Centerfield's family attorney, Eric Glands, they were either people who were extremely vulnerable, people who are not only vulnerable because of their lack of education or their lack of sophistication. Whether it's the worst, worst time in their lives, Alex little off scheme, the prophet off Centerfield's death worked until her son's read an article in the paper about a wrongful death settlement
that should have awarded them money. However, they had never seen a dime of it. So basically he filed Alec Murdock filed a wrongful death lawsuit against himself for so NBA for behalf of the family because they never saw any money. The real piece of work, right, So this is previous to the murder. This is one of the many schemes that he pulled. And his whole crying thing in court was I was a drug addict, so I you know, I needed to supply my drug habit with these schemes and scams.
And one of them was his housekeeper of twenty years tripped and fell, okay, allegedly tripped and fell at his home and died. So there's a whole thing, whether she tripped over the dog or not. Did she actually fall down the stairs once she pushed even Okay, let's not go there, but here here he is, well, he admitted, he admitted, any lied that that didn't happen. She didn't trip over the dogs? Right, yeah, no, no, no, I got I got it. Yeah,
yeah, go ahead. These boys were entitled to seven point five million dollars for the for the wrongful death money that Alec collect them, right, right. They didn't see of his right, So let's get that straight. Okay. So remember they said she's a working mother of two. It was these two boys and they came across an article in a newspaper saying that there was a wrongful death suit about their mother and it was multi millions of dollars and
they never got paid. They kept getting, you know, lipped from him about him working on it, and I'm working on it. They trusted him. He said, look, I'm gonna sue myself. You know, I am going to sue myself and give you money. Because really what he was doing is getting money out of his law firm and insurance companies and things like that. And the idea I think was to siphon most of it to himself and then tell them, hey, look, here's a settlement for you,
and then everybody wins kind of thing. I think that was what it was in his mind. That's what it seemed like when he described some of this stuff later. And he's copped a part of this, but not all of it, right, And yeah, So these kids read about this seven million dollars and they go, wait a minute, we never got anything. So they go back to him, Hey, Alec, what's going on man? And this is before he supposedly kills his son and wife, Okay, which
again is tied to covering up another scheme, another scam. According to the prosecutors, that that's you know, I don't know. I got a little bit of a hard time buying the whole thing. But there is definitely funky
and ugly things happening here. Okay. So this guy's scheming and scamming, willing to kill or let people die, or take advantage of people who have just lost family members, etc. Clearly somebody who probably even if he wasn't directly guilty of the running down of his family members, probably everybody's better off. He's in prison, just saying all right, But back to the wrongful death thing. This is a weird double reversal because here's the funny thing.
His son could probably turn around and sue him for a wrongful death considering he was convicted. That could be a piece of evidence, but not the only piece of evidence entered into a wrongful death thing. Could probably turn around and sue him and try and get that point made that he is clearly responsible in a civil way and maybe asked for compensation for the fact that he lost his mother and his brother and his whole family's destroyed because of Dad's actions. Thus
far, he's actually defended his father and everything. But there are wrongful death lawsuits flying all over the Murdock case, and some of them were happening before he allegedly committed murder. I mean, I'm just saying allegedly committed because he was convicted. I'm not clear on that even But still, these are the
games that lawyers play. But I again asked the moral question outside of the legalistic outside of the courtroom drama, which is clearly in play all over the place with the murdof thing, and the outside of courtroom settlement constantly an issue when it came to all of his previous bad acts. Okay, I know I'm sounding like courtroom again. I don't want to go courtroom drama. No, no, no, no no. Let's go back to the moral implication. Wrongful death is their rightful death. I don't see one. But is
there one that might just be incidental as opposed to wrongful? Is that the opposite? No, it doesn't seem like it, but incidental could be option number three. Wrongful whatever rightful of righteousness and incidental just happened and there was nothing anybody could do about it. Maybe, and are you responsible simply if
you didn't prevent it? Well, there you go. That was part of the case with the housekeeper there, because she was laying there injured allegedly for a while, and there was an issue about whether Murda went and got her help in time, and why wouldn't he have done that with a housekeeper he
had for twenty years. Well, maybe she caught on to some of his scheming and scamming and stuff going on, and maybe some of the drugs, and either she conveniently fell down some steps or something else occurred here that would allow for a cover up if he just let her pass. I don't know. The whole thing is ugly. There's a lot of ugliness to unpack. And I don't think we solved anything here today except to ask the question what
is literally a wrongful death? Still? And we got a couple of definitions missus O. Redham from some of the articles that will give you references to in the show notes. But did we successfully solve the mystery in my mind of what the moral implication is? We know what the legal idea is,
sure, but the moral implication is there a rightful death? And I guess there could be a rightful death considering something is rightfully done as opposed to wrongfully done, so could be considered rightfully executed death in my opinion, killing in self defense rightful death maybe so, unless it's a mercy killing or one in self defense. Maybe that's the only rightful ones you could have, right I
don't know. Well, I don't know. As we were talking last night, I think that well, there's an example, perfect example of the man in Philadelphia whose little girl was shot by the neighbor because she was riding her scooter back and forth in front of the guy's house. He didn't like it till he went out and he shot the little girl. Now to me, that that father turned around and shot that man dead, to me, that's a that's a righteous murder. Yeah, I could see giving that a rightful
death ruling. And again self defense might be the rightful death. Maybe that's a rightful an earned death if you will, right, Okay, I get the point there, and that's a possibility. But is that the way that people are going to view it? And by the way, doesn't this mean that almost every single egregious murder case or manslaughter case is eligible for this kind of thing? Or maybe it's well said something about negligence, Yeah, but
it doesn't death. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be negligence. It's common negligence. It could be negligence, and or say so it's not also has to be negligence, but negligence could be an element because in the case of that guy willfully shooting that little girl, guess what, no negligence there. It's a willful act. That's not I didn't care and I let something happen. That's I took an action, A willful action, a will full wrongful death. Right. So yeah, yeah, see what I mean.
So it's not about that. It's about yeah, moralistically, willful action one thing, and negligence could be I just didn't care, didn't pay attention, I didn't follow through, I didn't take some other action quick enough, et cetera. And that could be your negligence. So for you know, negligence, Yeah, because they should have known better and should have taken better action than they did. But that's a wrongful death suit. Well, but that's my point, you see, is that, Okay, I get it,
that's a wrongful death. But in other cases, I mean, o j it's not the actions that he shouldn't have taken. I mean, it's not the actions he should have taken. He could have taken some Yeah, I guess he could have not showed up and killed those two people. Uh, you know. But that's but there's no like, oh, well, there was an action I should have taken here. I don't know. It's very dicey. It's just there's a difference between they actively participated and they just dropped
the ball and let it happen. You know what I'm saying. There's a difference between making something happen and letting something happen. I'm thinking, and of course this same sort of debate happens when it comes to hate crimes, right, because hate crimes, after all, what is it that you're punishing, Not the crime itself. We get that there's a crime, but it's the additional thought process connected to the crime, And in this case is that not
sometimes the case and then again sometimes not. I think the wrongful death concept go ahead and mute up, missus, oh, because we need dogs are trying to chime in, and we're about out of time anyway. But wrongful death is one of those concepts I think we're going to wrestle with for a while, and with good reason, because it is still a bit ambiguous on
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