Reagan 9-11 Beyond NYC The Ochelli Effect as Broadcast on UCY.TV 7-2-2015 Barbara Honneger

At every points tost side gash dast side was shy dast tsst just didnt stanstead type still start type side last side time side statist Time to more stude side the statist side statist. I'll show you second day of July twenty fifteen, The Old Chilly Effect is on ucy dot TV Radio. Thank you for joining us. Whether you're catching us further on down the stream later on in a podcast version of this show, or on YouTube or whatever else, do appreciate

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Tonight's very very special guest is Barbara Honeger. She is a fascinating individual in my estimation, and somebody that I really am grateful to have on tonight. And she'll be calling in very shortly to give you a brief background to Barbara. Okay, and this, by the way, no biography that I see of her actually covers every single thing that is noteworthy about her. So this

is one of those happy, happy guests for me. Anyway. Barbara Honeger worked as a researcher at the Hoover Institution before joining the Ronald Reagan administration as a researcher and policy analyst in nineteen eighty Okay, Honiger headed Reagan's gender Discrimination

Agency review before resigning in August nineteen eighty three. While working for Reagan, she discovered information that convinced her that George hw Bush and William Casey had conspired to make sure that Iran did not release the US hostages until Jimmy Carter had been defeated in the nineteen eighty presidential election. Sound familiar. In nineteen eighty seven, Honiger began leaking information to journalists about the Reagan administration. However,

it was not until Reagan left office that Honager published October Surprise. That was in nineteen eighty nine Intervook. Honager claimed that in nineteen eighty William Casey and other representatives of the Reagan presidential campaign made a deal of two sets of meetings in July and August at the Ritz Hotel in Madrid with Iranians to delay the release of Americans held hostage in Iran until the November nineteen eighty presidential elections.

Reagan age promised that they would get a better deal if they waited until Carter was defeated. Okay. In the years since October Surprise was published, other sources such as gee, I don't even know how to pronounce this guy's name, Ari Ben Menche Manesche Okay have come forward to confirm Honiger's story. Now

this is how Barbara Hannager emerged in the information stream. Let's just say, but she's done a great deal of work concerning stuff that evolves around I ran Contra and most recently and most notably, and what we're going to discuss tonight, of course, is her very unique insights about nine to eleven and the

attack on the Pentagon, which now here comes my editorialization. And by the way, that bio is in part from Spartacus educational form, just so I'm giving credit to where it is. I got a reasonably coherent biography, but

again it is only in part. She's also published some books, she has released a video which is a note behind the Smoke Curtain regarding the Pentagon attacks, things like this, and she is actually a nine to eleven truther in a rather unique and hardwired way that lends some very serious legitimacy to what she's

talking about now. Of course, it is fascinating to me and extremely relevant because ever so often people do seem to ignore the attacks on the Pentagon as part of the equation when they're examining dissecting the events of September eleven, two thousand one. But you see that leaves a huge piece of the story out And again this is my editorialization about the coverage that I've seen about the efforts that I've seen from various people over the years. They want to talk about

New York City, they want to talk about the Twin Towers. They don't always want to talk about the Pentagon. It is noteworthy and necessary to examine and explain, especially for the sake of carrying forward the concept, the concept, mind you, of attempting to reveal to the public the entirety of the

truth. It is extremely significant. One of the things that I have seen her focus on in various presentations, and most recently something very interesting which relates to the nine to eleven memorial all right, which I'm sure we're going to wind up discussing at some point tonight, although as usual, I never planned this, I never script this, and choreography is not something I'm fond of

either. Okay, So whatever Barbara's going to say, she's going to say, and it's going to come from her very unique perspective, and like I said, a general idea of what we're going to cover. But I may be very surprised, and I'm very sure that I'm going to be educated, because I'll tell you what a very short few conversations with Barbara immediately, I've been educated on a couple of things right away, and I don't even think she intended to do so. Anyway, I do have her on the line

now, So good evening, Barbara. How are you, Hi, Hi, Chuck, how are you. It's great to be on. Thank you well, thank you for taking the time today. I know you're extremely busy. And I did touch upon the walking tour of the nine to eleven Memorial briefly, and uh, and and also mentioned that that video which is available on Amazon that that people can see regarding the you know, the nine to eleven attacks on the Pentagon and exactly why this is such a significant issue and

everything. And I've tried to bring this up and and just to give you a little bit of background, I've had a lot of shows on nine to eleven. I uh, you know, the first one I did was with was with Richard Gage, where we discussed it. We're a very good friend. You know, we discussed New York City mainly because that's what his focus was. And in fact, when he was doing the Rethink nine to eleven tour up in Canada, uh, very much. They were focused on Building

seven and things like this. Now, no offense to anybody who studies this or is trying to reveal the truth about what's gone on in New York City, but I think far too often the Pentagon has been ignored, and it is even more significant in a geopolitical sense, because well, let's let's get honest here, when you attack the military headquarters of the United States of America, you have automatically committed a very particular act of war. And this is

not something that's just a matter of rhetoric. This isn't something that just changes the language of what's going on. But this changes a lot of things.

And now that's not to say that I believe in the official story, But what I'm saying is someone attacked that building, and that has a whole different significance, even though and again I'm not belittling the lives lost in New York City, not at all, But what I'm saying is that this is a far different event than simply attacking a civilian target, regardless of who the actual terrorists are. Okay, I'll leave it open like that. And as I

said in the beginning here, before you got on the line. I actually could not find a full biography that it wouldn't take me a very long time to read, because you've been so involved in so many things, published a great many different pieces of information, or been involved in the publication of information, including including a doctor Kevin Kevin Barrett's work recently. Okay, I mean, it's just I don't even know where to begin to put together a very

concise and sharp bio in brief for you for the listener. But maybe you want to, maybe I should give the high points that are relevant to my expertise on this subject exactly. That's what I was That's what I was working towards. So if you're all set to go, I'm more than happy to just simply hand you the floor and let you do that. Okay, why don't I just give some high points of my background, my bio or VT as they call it, that are particularly relevant to my expertise on nine to

eleven. Okay, First and foremost, obviously is for fifteen years, from nineteen ninety five until two thousand and eleven. Mid two thousand and eleven, I was the senior military affairs journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School. Now the Naval Postgraduate School is built by the Department of Defense itself as the od's premier Science, Technology, and National Security Affairs graduate research University of the Department of

Defense. And I was the senior military affairs journalists there for fifteen years, over eleven of those at a full pledged DS twelve almost thirteen full time maybe civilians employee. So when you do stories for the Department of Defense, especially on high tech subjects and controversial national security affairs and homeland security affairs subjects, you can imagine that your research, your investigative research, and your checks is

vevied all the way, if you will, to the Pope. Okay, so I had fifteen years of that, so people can be pretty assured that I would not have put anything out in my do YouTube. The one on the Pentagon is you just you put in the YouTube field behind the smoke curt

It has over one hundred and sixty two thousand views right now. And the other is the called also on YouTube called the nine to eleven and there's a flash in the nine to eleven nine eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour and will repeat those over the air and people can get behind the Smoke Curtain on the Pentagon

Attack on Amazon as a professional DVD. So you can imagine that I wouldn't without a word, let alone professional DVDs that I hadn't personally vetted at least as much as I did when I was the senior Military Affairs journalist for the Department of Defects. So people should also know that I did hold very high level positions in the federal government. I was a policy analyst in the West Wings of the White House in the first Reagan for senior administration. I was

also a special assistant to the Assistant to the President for Domestic policy. And then I was double headed to the Apartment of Justice, where I was the executive director or the director directly under the Attorney General of the Attorney General's Gender Non Discrimination Review Project, when I reviewed all of the entire Code of US federal law and all the Code of Federal Regulations, policies, practices, and procedures of forty six federal agencies, and my work has been published in seven

volumes by the Government Printing Office on that so I'm pretty much an established investigative journalists, let's put it that way. Well, not answer that question, So maybe we can get to the substance. Absolutely not only an established investigative journalist, but a meticulous researcher on seemingly any topic that you even begin to lay your mind upon. Let's just say, and with good reason. I mean, just to sort of simplify for the listener, here's the thing.

When this woman is speaking about a subject and I don't care what it is. And again, you know, like I said, this is a rare opportunity for me to be able to have somebody on that has gone through the you know, the the gauntlets of vetting their own information like this, this is rather unusual. So uh so I say to the listener again, pay

very close attention by all means, do examine it for yourselves. But also remember that because I decided to do a couple of just sort of dry google searches and things like that, just assuming that I had never heard of you, which is not true, but just assuming for the listener's sake, that I had never heard of you if I wanted to just search your name, uh you know, good luck. Well that was that was the beginning of

it. Yes, but even more interesting, And I point this out, and I hope you don't get mad at me, but I point this out about anybody that I have on that has something very significant to say that carries a lot of gravity. Okay, The bottom line is that even the attacks that I see on your work speak to me about exactly how directly over the target you are. As exactly you got it. I was gonna say, many a man that I've talked to you who has served as a pilot or

in the Air force, explains things exactly that way. You know for sure that you were over an area of significance when you're receiving the flack, and you know what. Examine the flack that Barbara's taking, because I'll tell you what happens there. You can see the character of any individual often by exactly what type of enemy they attract. So exactly, I'm proud of my enemies.

Absolutely. I just wanted to point that out. I'm not sure if anybody's ever done that with you on one of these discussions, but I wanted to point that out. And now, yes, please, let's get to the substance, and I'll do my best to see it and be quiet.

But I am a talk show. What I would probably do unless you want to start out with a question, I would probably give people the highlights, the what I call the burning take home messages of Behind the Smoke Curtain, which is on YouTube, and that's my It was a presentation at Seattletown Hall

in January twenty thirteen. Seattletown Hall looks kind of like the Supreme Court building on the outside, with you know, white marble pillars and all of that, and it was it was advertised and publicized to the kazoo and there was

a standing room only audience and you can see that in the video. But my partner in Behind the Smoke Curtain, Mark Schneider, who is the videographer and activists for Seattle nine to eleven Truth, he is my full partner and copyright partner on Behind the Smoke Curtain and the nine to eleven Museum Virtual Rocky Tour, and so we are on this. We are in this together. So I just wanted people to know that Mark has it's not just the talking

head. Mark spent months inserting with my guidance, inserting video clips and photographs from the Pentagon on nine to eleven. Video clips from the Pentagon on nine to eleven quotes you will you will see the actual evidence for yourself in behind this Folk Curtain that is inserted on the screen many many, many times,

dozens and dozens and dozens of times. So if you don't just take my word for it, and I also give you links on the screen, if I'm it could claim, you're going to be able to go to that link and see it on the on the web for yourself. So anyway, I just wanted to shout out to my partner because I do all the content that I can't bring it to life without my videographer, and he's a great videographer.

So anyway, so I'm going to give you I'm going to start with behind the Smoke Curtain, which is on the Pentagon Attack on YouTube and available on Amazon on DVD. I'm gonna give you the highlights of that. So I think the most important take home message is watching. Be sure and watch it, but before you watch it, I'm gonna give you some burning data points. I call it the number one take home message. After you watch

it should be this. It should be that, just says at the World Trade Center, as has already been proved by Richard Gage and Neils Harris and Professor Stephen Jones and so many others for the World Trade Center World Trade Centers one, two, and seven on nine eleven. Most people know that there were pre placed explosives, including military grade supernano thermite, threaded and salted throughout

those buildings, all three of them. World Trade Center seven, not hit by any plane, came down at about five to twenty pm on nine to eleven in a classic controlled and alition. And from that you can infer, obviously also from the evidence of the videotapes and much else, that World Trade Centers one and two were also saulted in advanced at least weeks, if not months, in advance of nine to eleven, in advance of any even possible

plane impact. This three placed explosive. And we already know this about the World Trade Centers one, tube, and seven, but people don't know. And what you learn and is proven to you in Behind the Smoke Curtain on YouTube, is that the same true story is at the Pentagon. The real

story of the Pentagon is also three placed explosive. So the so called plane penetration path that the government wants you to Louie was made by a seven fifty seven immense bowing American Airlines airliner that they claim was flight seventy seven, and

we'll get into that why it couldn't have been either. But even if it was at seven fifty seven, the official story claimed that the so called that it got through the outer wall and then got into the building, and it went through three rings of the five rings of the Pentagon, just three rings, and both some little part of the plane. Some people say rum felled. Secretary of Defense, that the nose. Other people said the kind of

quasi liquid flurry. There have been all kinds of official story, absurd myths about what created this so called exit hole on the inside of the third ring of five rings into the Pentagon. But the bottom line is the official story says a plane made all of that internal damage, went focused nose or some part of the plane through just through the wall is a third of five rings, and made a perfectly round, about sixteen foot diameter hole on the inside

is a third ring in that's the official story, Right, you learn that that cannot be true. You learn that all of those all of that internal damage paths, You learn the evidence that it was made with preplaced explosives, that the so called excess hole on the inside of the third ring. The Sea ring is not from any part of a plane, the Pentagon's own spokesman said, so said that this was this degree here side outside the so called exit hole in the Sea ring. Outside the Sea ring is no plane parts

at all, just a Pentagon metal. That's the Pentagon's own spokesperson at their own press conference on September fifteenth of two thousand and one, a few days after the attacks. So the bottom line is the real story of the Pentagon is preplaced explosives that's stimulated for sake, the penetration path inside the building of

a plane can also fake the entrance all and sake. The emotion right and extremely notable to me because I've looked at this picture of the alleged exit of the plane, uh, you know, just outside the third ring, and it speaks to me almost as if it were a you know, an exit from a bullet, you know, I mean larger scale obviously, but I mean you almost could not imagine that this was not made by anything other than a projectile with the way it looks, right, But that's just inconsistent with

reality on many many levels. I mean, how many laws of physics have to be defied in order for the you know, for the story to to fit. This is this has always been my question about that, right, and uh, probably not that absurd a question, right, Hi Chack, are you there? Ah, you didn't hear me. No, I'm sorry, I didn't. I lost the connection for about Oh, I'm sorry about

that. What I was saying is that that when I look at in brief, when I look at a picture of this exit uh, you know, on the other side of the third ring there, the alleged exit hole of the plane, right, it speaks to me as almost as if I'm looking at the exit of a bullet going through a you know, a fairly sturdy object. Right. Uh, this is what it might resemble like a projectile

had gone through there. But in order for that to happen, there's just I wind up asking myself the question, how many laws of physics need to

be defied, you know, in order to create this effect? You know, so curtain is that one of the world's foremost experts on shape charge explosives that could just stick on the wall, that that so called exit hole of a plane or part of a plane was made with shape charge explosives put on the wall to have an opening for clean up personnel to get in find that a victim from the internal bombs, to get them out, and also to

clean out the debris. And probably the best proof that the official story cannot be true is that the official story claim that even if it were true that a seven fifty seven got through the hardened outer wall that had just been hardened to would stand a terrorist attack just like what the government claims on nine to eleven got through the outside wall and went through two hundred and eighty five feet diagonally and somehow made it out of that inner wall of the third ring in

the Sea Ring. Even if that were true, it wouldn't explain the absolute hard evidence that there were there was massive fires, massive destruction, and dead bodies on the two rings further in the B ring and even the inside of the A Ring. So any kinds are gardener can figure out that even if a plane got through three or five rings, it can't explain the death,

fire destruction in the two rings further in the net. And you see that for yourself in behind the silk curtains, you certainly do, and that that's why I pointed it out, you know, and not only that, but just leading up to the approach to the Pentagon. You see, these are the questions I've always wanted somebody to answer or to speak about. And like I said, everybody seems to want to stick to New York City, you

know. But and I do want to have you sort of explain why the Pentagon is a different target than say, the World Trade Center was, why there is an added significance to that that happening. I really do want to hear you speak about that really briefly as well. Then we'll certainly get back into the you know, the physical evidence and what is obviously eliminated by the physical evidence itself as well. So yes, well yeah, it's very very

important. In fact, Behind this Folk Curtain begins with the answer to that last question of yours, because it's so critically important, and that question is why is the Pentagon? But why is The subtitle of behind the Smoke curtains The subtitle is what happened in the Pentagon and what didn't and why it matters? So it matters so greatly because without the Pentagon attack, which was an attack on an iconic national military facility like the original Pearl Harbor that got US

into World War two. Without an attack on a major national military facility, or anyth military facility for that matter, it would not have been an act of war. It would have just been a terrorist attack. It would have been a bigger World Trade Center attack like the nineteen ninety three World Trade Center

attack. It had already been attacked by bombs in nineteen ninety three, and that attack was perfectly well handled by the civilian corpse, by the Department of Justice and the Attorney General in the civilian legal structure of the United States. That the whole point of the inside job attack of nine to eleven, especially at the Pentagon, was so that it could be called a war and might

underlying the word war, a war on terror. And in fact, President Bush, President George W. Bush, in his own memoirs, in his own biography, and in his speeches when he ran around the country and the world in Europe talking about his book some years back, he actually stays for the record that when the first World Trade Center was attacked, like most of it, he thought it was a terrible pilot, that is an accident.

When the Second World Trade Center was attacked, when Andrew Card whispered in his ear in the Florida classroom where he was sitting there like a ear in the headlight while people were jumping to their desks from the towers for another eight or nine minutes when he was told that the second World Trade Center tower was attacked in New York City, and we're told Andrew Card whispered in his ear, America is under attack. He says in his memoirs that he knew that it

wasn't an accident. But he says in his memoirs and his speeches that it was with the Pentagon attack that I quote knew unquote it was quote war unquote, And without it being able to be called a war on terror, they could not have rolled out their global nation agenda. They're police surveillance state in the United States. They would not have had a pretext in an excuse,

which they did. They used nine to eleven. Most people don't know this as the excuse in pretext for creating the first ever in our history, in American history, the first ever combatant command over the mainland United States. It's called Northcom. All of this was pre planned before nine to eleven. And what you learn in Behind the Smoke Curtain and why it is so critically important that the Pentagon attack is the core of the real inside job plots and execution

and cover up of nine to eleven. Is that I proven behind the smoke curtain because it's also done like at the World Trade Center, with preplaced internal and external explosive, that it's has to be an inside job. No external terrorists could ever have had the access to the Pentagon of the United States to plant explosive in advance and to detonate it in a way that's simulated a plane penetration set. Okay, So the bottom line is the Pentagon attacked itself.

The United States military intelligence apparatus, each state attacked itself on nine to eleven at the Pentagon right to roll out its global domination agenda, which is a military intelligence industrial complex media conflict agenda. Yeah, it becomes hard to simply call it the military industrial complex anymore because so many different things parallel it and literally are are vampirically involved with one another at this point, you know.

And also the parallel program of the domestic surveillance and the rise of the police state are completely intertwined with this that whole agenda. You're absolutely right. I use a military industrial intelligence complex of the shorthand for all of that. It's it's basically the elite superstructure of our entire society are complicit in the cover up.

Of course, they didn't do the planning in the execution, but they're absolutely criminals after the fact, accessories after the factor in the conscious cover up of the truth about nine to eleven. Well, absolutely, and the fact that we're talking about a self inflicted wound. Of course, this is very much like other things that have been admitted to over the years regarding our government's

behavior. You know, I think immediately to the Gulf of Tonk and incident and what happened there, And that's the context that I use to think about this is because you know, there are many people that still say, and although it's beginning to change, there are many people that still say, it's a ridiculous notion that the United States would stage something or would be involved, or some elements of our military industrial complex would be involved in staging an incident

in order to create a catalyst that would justify war. I mean, I don't know how else to put it, but our history is actually replete with these kind of things. It shouldn't be a big surpresant. It shouldn't be a big surprise at what. By the way, this, of course nine to eleven was not a surprise attack, and it was not a terrorist attack. It was an inside job. So we should stop calling it a terrorist

attack. Okay. Number one, we should stop calling it a war on terror because all of the wars that were rolled out as a based upon the pretext of the self attack, especially at the Pentagon on nine to eleven, I call it a preemptive self attack. It's very much like the Reichstag fire that Hitler took advantage of to then pass the enabling end that ended up with the with the horrors of Nazi Germany. Uh the parallel to the Enabling Act

after nine eleven of Christmas, the Patriot Act. And believe it or not, I've actually read I have to I can't confirm this that I've read at three places that of all people, Marcus Wolves. The allegation is that Marcus Wolves, who is the head of the Eastern German Soviet Black intelligence agency throughout the Cold War, tell light of the law that created the Homeland Security Department in this country after nine eleven, As you can imagine, well, it's

kind of it's kind of believable considering that the rhetoric is rather similar. When you translate things from German into English, you know, you find that the concept of homeland in fact, I mean, that's what I land security, right, It's it's the same thing. It's identical, right, and I mean even the terminology being similar, and this concept. I mean, it's one of those things that disturbs me still that there is a you know,

Department of Homeland Security. I mean, I remember when Tom Ridge was first made the head of that, and I said to myself, and even at that time, I wasn't aware of all the inconsistencies and congruities in the nine to eleven narrative. Okay, i'll call it the nine to eleven narrative. At this point, I wasn't aware of all that. I was actually very much on board and believed the mainstream story, okay, for for years afterwards.

Was even caught up in the post nine to eleven uh pseudo patriotic fervor. Okay. I mean, I'm honest about this. I'm not proud of it, but I'm honest about this. There were many of us that were you know, and part of that was the rhetoric. Part of that was intentional, so that there was a mechanism by which the public would acquiesce two these new measures, these seemingly, you know, required measures to protect us from this ever happening again. And this is the justification, This is why

the attitude needed to be taken by so many in the public. Well, it's okay if they're spying on me, because they're protecting me. It's okay if we have whole new layers of incompetent security at the airports, because well, it's for our own good, it's for our own protection. Things like this. Yeah, it's the classic quote of Gerbels, who was the propaganda minister in Tsar for Adolf Hitler, that famous quote, which is pretty much verbatim, where he says, well, you know, it's simple to get

the people to go along with the war. All you have to do is tell them they're under attack, under external attacks. And the best way to make them believe they're under external attack is to fake that external attack. And that's exactly what behind the smoke curtain proved happened at the Pentagon. It is not a speculation, it is not a theory. It's not even a working hypothics that's any longer right, And it is absolutely an essential piece of viewing

for anybody listening to us right now. So if you go to YouTube, you can see it there, but you can also acquire your own copy on DVD at Amazon dot com and that's all there is to that. You need to see it again again, the name is behind the Smoke Curtain, or anybody who wants to see it on YouTuber get the dvd right. I actually put the cover art in part in the graphic for tonight's show that I released out. I put that out of Twitter, and by the way, I

want to jump in here and just play now to people. But it wasn't just the original nine eleven attacks. Many people forget that there were also shortly after the nine eleven attacks, suddenly there were all these amtracks, letters scare and the military grade weaponized nano amtracks at a trillion sports per gram. In the letters that went to Senators Lady and Dashel, who just happened to be Democrats in not Retublican trade and just happened to be the two senators who were

trying to prevent a more extreme version of the Patriot Act from passing. They were threatened with death not only of themselves but their entire stats. Full buildings of Congress had to be shut down. The Supreme Court building was shut down. Five people died. So we know, by the way, and I'm going to give you the link, Chuck, to put on your website as

well to a very important article that I've published. It was published on the front page feature story the Rock Creek Free Press, the independent paper in Washington, DC, and also it's still up on op EdNews dot com, the progressive website, journalistic website, and it's called the scarlet A links of Amtrax

to the day of nine to eleven itself. Why is that important? That is really important because the official story, if you recall, is that those amtrax letters weren't even mailed until September eighteen, seven days a week after the kind eleven attacks, even though the date on the letters on the inside was September eleventh, of all those letters. Okay, so yes, what the

nbcn the scarlet A, which I'll give you the LinkedIn. People need to read that article for themselves with all the citations and references to see him. So you can see it all for yourself. What you learn is that there was an emergency response exercise that was scheduled to begin, according to the official story, in New York City with the Army with SEMA, with beliefs with the fireman. It was called TRIPOD two and it was guess what on a

biowarfare scenario. And you will see in the Scarlet Day all of the evidence that linked the anthrax claims of anthrax to the day of nine to eleven itself. For instance, Jerry Howard, who had been Juliani's head of his emergency management office in World Trade Center seven, called and ordered and had delivered ani

Amtrak cipro to the White House on nine to eleven. And you will learn of a witness who was physically in New York City right by the World Trade Center too feels as it started to fall, and that huge pyroclastic cloud started at him down the street, and an angel grabbed him by the arm and

pulled him into a bank building, saved his life. And he looked at the jacket on this man and he was big letters FBI and this FBI operative officer agents said as they looked out the window, he said, we meeting the FBI, were told this was coming down and that it would involve Amtrak. We're talking about as World Trade Center two was falling. Okay, so you're going to learn a lot. You're also going to learn that a man by the name of William Patrick, who was the top by a warfare expert

of the US government. He's now deceased, and he was very much alive before on an after nine to eleven for a few years, William Patrick add the private private trade secret through the process to make the one trillion sports program weaponized antrax powderized antrax that was found in the letters to Senators Lady and Deshel.

You can't get more inside job than that. And as as you know, the official story even is that a man, this PATSI ball guy named Bruce Ivans trying to pen antrax and the antrax mailings letter mailings on a dead man conveniently who couldn't have done it. The government and FBI's official story is

that the ad their official story now and it's a close case. The FBI says is that it was an inside job that a bio weapons at spurt Bruce Ivan's from the Army's own lab at Fort Dietrich by a warfare lab did it, even though we can prove that he couldn't have done it and therefore didn't do it. The official story is that the Amtrax letters were an inside job

by the army, right, okay. And if by scarlett A linked the Amtrax that was in the letters to the day of nine to eleven itself, therefore scarlett A with the inference from scarlett A is that the government by admitting that the Amtrax letters were an inside job, he's effectively admitting at nine to

eleven was an inside job. Well, right, it's amazing because if it's if it's part of the same program, Okay, if it is, if it is a part of the campaign of terror, and one part of it is an inside job by the United States government, then it logically follows the entire campaign of terror. Okay, because it was a campaign of terror.

We can't take the world terror away. But because I remember second way, then track letters were the so called second wave that the perpetrators of nine to eleven itself used to extort the United States Congress into passing the Patriot Act. And when the two senators Lady and dashall resisted it, they were sent weaponized hand tracks letters along with some journalists. Along with the journalists again who right, who coincidentally were working on pieces that weren't going to be very kind to

the regime and power at the time. Okay, just coincide, Yes, especially especially Bob Stevenson Florida, who, according to the official story, he was He was the first person that the mainstream media let us know anyway, received they believe an antrax letter. He died of inhalation antrax on October fifth, a, two thousand and one, and the first stories that he was

ill and in the hospital with lung antrax. Inhalation antrax, which is the deadly variety, unlike skin antrax, isn't as deadly as inhalation or lung antrax where you breathe it into your lungs. The first stories were on the first or second of October that he was in the hospital. And guess what, Chuck, guess what? Guess what dates John U, the infamous John You

of the torture rationale secret memos. Guess what date he wrote his first rationale memo secret rational memo in the Department of Justice, rationalizing the quote need unquote

to surveil mass surveil all communications of American citizens. That's what date October fourth, So that the rationale and the fear factor was also used inside the administration at the highest level to put pressure on officials who weren't at such a high level they were part of the inside jobbers to actually then roll out these horrendous new policies, alleged policies that are totally unconstitutional and totally illegal under existing statutes,

against the law of torture. It was at the time against the law to have any kind of surveillance of the US citizen without an explicit warrant in advanced by the disccord. You know right, No, you're right. The whole thing was orchestrated by the same inside cabal that did the actual attacks on nine to eleven. They did the anthrax attack, They pushed through the patriot actic and the anthrax letters, and they are continuing to this day to do

folk flag attacks around the world and in the United States. Just so called maintain the myth of the original nine eleven attack, But it was a terrorist attack at all. See and also even today what emerged in the news, I view, even the events of today. And I don't know if you caught them earlier, but you heard about the Navy yard today. No I haven't tell me. Okay, Well they're in brief, just to give you

a sort of a vague summary of what happened. There was breaking news all over the place that there was an attack on the Navy yard in Virginia. There the same one there where there had been a shooting incident in twenty thirteen. Well, that's interesting. I was there. I was in the Senate building that morning there you go, So you know where I'm talking about exactly the Navy yard. Yet, well, there was supposed to be a live

shooter. People were sheltering in place, they were supposedly getting you know, something is happening. Of course, this goes right along with the you know, the idea as of elite that has been you know, constantly pushed by the mainstream media that you know, we need to be prepared because this fourth of July, you know, during this holiday weekend, we're going to be hit with a lot of you know, possible terrorist attacks. Again. Okay, so be alert, be ready, be ready to see something and say

something. And of course, this whole attack allegedly happened. There's supposed to be a live shooting event. All of these things happened, breaking news for a while, and then they came back and said, sorry, we don't have a shooter. There was no event. You're kidding. That was today. That was today, Jesus okay, And no, I totally understand.

But you see, what's happening is just like and and a lot of people don't recall this, and you're gonna have a hard time searching for it, but I promise you, if you look hard enough, you'll find it. After the anthrax attacks went public, there were various incidents on local levels all over the country, hundreds of incidents of people walking into convenience stores and dumping powder on counters and running away attacks simulated. Yes, yes, ma'am,

all over the I mean, and everywhere. There was practically I don't think there was a single state that was actually immune. There was hundreds of these, and there were hundreds of those, you know. And what it does, though, and what I understand from this, and what I'm seeing emerging right now as we speak, is an atmosphere that is being promoted to keep that agenda intact, to keep the need for the war on terror. I'm holding up quotes here because, first of all, the war on an idea

is kind of counterintuitive in my mind anyway. But that's what they call it. The war on terror, the war on terrorists, all of that stuff. You need to be afraid, you understand, because the boogeyman is always somewhere under somebody's bed in a town near you. Okay, Well, the Boogeyman on nine to eleven was inside the Pentagon. It was preplaced explosive, same stories as the World Trade Center. Now, there was a plane at

the Pentagon. I don't want people to think. I don't say there isn't When you learn in behind the snow curtain, yes there was a plane, but what you learn is it wasn't ween the official story says it arrived at the building. It arrived at nine thirty two and thirty second first into a huge fireball. It was destroyed, exploded, imploded somehow and stopped to be Pentagon. He in the port Clock, which is a little building outside the

wall, over one hundred feet outside the wall. There was such a huge explosion that fireball you've seen in those famous five frames of the videos at the Pentagon that went around the world. That fireball happened at nine thirty two and thirty seconds and stop the Pentagon heeling port clock over one hundred feet outside the wall and nine thirty two and thirty seconds freezing the time. So we know that there was a plane. It was a white plane, according to multiple

witnesses. And no white plane can be any any American Airlines airliner, which is this signature polished aluminum body that's painted with blue, the parts blue and red and white. You can't mistake an all white, brilliant white plane for

any American Airline airliner. This plane that came into the Pentagon five minutes and sixteen seconds before the official story sits like seventy seven was anywhere near Washington, d seen And it was like seventy five miles still outside of Washington when these explosions started going off at the Pentagon. And what you learn and smoke curtain and I give, I give the quotes, and I give the witnesses beginning with believe it or not. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the highest active duty military officer in the United States Military is General Hughes Shelton. And when he first arrived at the Pentagon a little bit after the attacks, in his memoirs, which is called without Hesitation on page four seventy four, you learned that when he first got to the Pentagon, as he even got close to the Pentagon in nine to eleven, not long after the attack, that the smell of cordite

was quote overwhelming unquote. Cordite can never be confused or mistaken or jet fuel or burning jet fuel. It sounds like gunpowder. It is an explosive. It's a cool burning explosive, but with a high power, cool burning explosive.

So we know that there were those explosives, and you learn you learn him so curtained that the so called exit hole on the inside of the sea ring, allegedly from the nose of a plane or some part of a plane, was made which shape charge explosive, this special shape charge bomb attached to the inner wall that went off and made this almost perfectly round, sixteen foot diameter so called exit hole, which is not an exit hole at all.

So there was a plane at the Pentagon, it didn't come in. When the official story says much earlier, and it didn't come in where the official story claims, which was over to the right and on the west wall. The official story claims it hit a column fourteen in wedge one. Now, most people think that that wedge one, if they know anything about the pannagone

is the whole west wall. That's not correct. The center line eat each side, and pentagon's a little over nine hundred feet in lane, so a little bit over three football fields, right right, if I got that right. No, let's see three hundred yards right, Well, it's a football field, chuck, it's a hundred yards one hundred yards yard yeah, okay, right, so it's three football fields. Each side of the pentagon is

approximately a little bit more than three football fields in lane. And the center line of each of those five walls on the outside the center line to the corners are what are called the wedges. So a wedge actually goes from the center line of one of those walls around the corner of the pentagram to the center line of the next wall to the right or the left. So wedge one on nine to eleven, where the official story says Flight seventy seven allegedly

impacted, which it didn't. We proved that in behind the smoke curtain, that so called impact point is in Wedge one. It's to the right of

that center line. But what you've learned in behind the smoke curtain is that all of this plaine debris from this plane that that exploded or imploded or was hit by a missile er in some way was actively destroyed at nine thirty two and thirty seconds over five minutes before light seventy seven, with anywhere close to Washington that that happened way and left Wayne North along the wall outside of Wedge

two to the left to that center line. And there were even explosions that went off inside Wedge two in the outer ear ring at nine thirty one of them stopped. Probably the most famous Pentagon eyewitness is April Gallup. She's very famous for those who know anything about the Pentagon attack. And April Gallup was almost killed with her infant son who was in a stroller by her desk on

nine eleven, and the explosion by her desk covered her. Many other people killed a lot of people that luckily didn't kill her or her infant son, he was about three months old. Then she managed to get out with him swum over her shoulder, and that explosion by her stopped her wrist watch at nine thirty, so we have the time of that explosion. To the best of our knowledge, the first interior explosion at the Pentagon was at nine thirty.

Then there was a plane, white plane that came in because it's quite couldn't have been any American Airlines plane, let alone at seven fifty seven.

Let alone Slight seventy seven, which was allegedly of seven fifty seven. It came in at nine thirty two and thirty seconds, exploded her imploded by the external building called the Heleport Firehouse, stopped the Helport Firehouse clock at nine thirty two and thirty seconds, over five minutes before the official stories of flight seventy seven hits one D twenty two hundred and fifty feet further right along the wall, which of course it didn't. So you learned against curtain that the real

story at the Pentagon is like at the World Trade Center. The story at the World Trade Center, we now know the real story, the real narrative is what really happened is, yes, there were planes, but the plane to the World Trade Center, just like the plane at the Pentagon was just the prescripted staged cover story cover clause or the external preplaced and internal preplaced explosives

that then went off. And the proof of that at the World Trade Center that not too many people know outside of aficionados in the nine eleven truth movement this is incredibly important, is that there were massive basement level explosives. There were six levels under both the ground level, under the ground level of both World Trade Center Towers one and two, deep down under both of those towers, in one case fourteen seconds and in another case seventeen seconds before their respective

planes hit dozens and dozens and dozens of floors way up high. Massive explosions

went off first in the basement. And because once the basement explosions go off, if you figure the speed of those planes according to the official story going like five hundred and fifty miles an hour they claim, just do the mass, you will see that they were something like a mile out when those basement explosions went off, which meant that if they were really being controlled by hijacker pilots, something could have gone wrong, if they were really under the control

of a real outside terrorists, and it could have missed the towers, right,

that they hipped the towers. And what that proves, it proved any jury would would decide with the evidence, it proves that whoever pre placed the deep basement explosives in World Trade Centers one and two, and there would debasement explosions explosives in the other other World Trade Center buildings as well, but focusing on World Trade Center one and two, it proves to any jury that whoever replaced these massive explosives in the deep basements of World Trade Center Towers one and

two had to have been in control of the plane because they could not afford to already have these massive basement explosions go off which is gonna gonna destroy the tower alone, without also being in control of the plane, which had to be the cover story for the setting off the controlled demolition explosives above the ground level, right. And it puts into context the testimony of William Rodriguez,

absolutely the most important witness as the World Trade Center. I call I called him the April Gallup of the World Trade Center, and I call April Gallup the Willie Rodriquez of the Pentagon, and they really are. April is actually I think the the original source that I gathered the concept that cordite was present.

Yeah, that's where I first heard it from. To be honest with you, until I had watched some of your presentation, I wasn't aware of the you know, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff making a statement about it. I that had completely missed me, to be honest with you, But I do remember you would have had to have read, Uh it's a huge book up to page four hundred seventy four. Well there you go. But but April April and Willie Rodriguez. Yeah, that's perfect symmetry between

the two of them. But Willie's the whole thing about the explosions below him, which he was aware of. And uh, you know, some people tried to justify it as you know, the explosions of you know, the

generators, the generators and all this other stuff. But that's kind of ridiculous considering one problem, and that is it happened before Okay, so it happened before the planes yet in both colors, So you're not gonna you're not going to coincidentally have a generator going on the basement of both colored Uh, you know, sixteen minutes apart, right, and and the thing is, and some people said, well, you know the amount of time that really represents

there. You've got to understand something. When you're involved in a situation like

that, your concept of time changes based on your your brain chemistry. This is something I've learned over the years, okay, regarding eyewitness testimony, is that in some cases, very much in the way I can relate it to somebody out there who's never been in a high stress situation like this is if you've ever been in a car accident, okay, a lot of times at the moment if you see it coming and everything else, a lot of detail

ends up being retained in your mind. You see things fly off the dashboard and all these other things that really happened in the fraction of a second, right, Okay, slowed down like slow motions, or it can be not all. No, it can be. It's not. Nothing is an exact

science when it comes to individual human brains. But what I'm saying is it sort of explains the sort of minor discontinuity because the way Willie describes it is you have a certain amount of time there, but his concept of time is going to be a bit askew okay, well, but he was really close.

Luckily, we don't have to rely on just Lilli Rodriquez. And by the way, they're almost two dozen under eye witnesses who experience the same thing that he took their names to. The nine to eleven psician gave testimony behind closed doors and you know, classified testimony. His testimony was too massive explosives intervas of the World Trade Center one where he was at the first SA level on nine eleven was x which was not in the nine hundred commission report.

But all of course because they could not, it does not support it totally destroys the officially of what happened in the World Shade Center towers. But what I was going to say is we don't even have to rely upon his testimony, even though it's pretty accurate, because we have the seismic record, which is a hard piece of scientific evidence, and it's that seismic record that shows

that there were these massive underground explosive events. In the first case, fourteen seconds before World Trade Center one was hit up above way you know, one hundred floors or so above ninety some flords above and for World Trade Center two, about sixteen minutes later fourteen seconds or seventeen seconds different for that one, and literally estimated the difference between the deep basement level explosion in World Trade Center

one and the impact above that he also heard and felt was about eight to nine seconds. So we close. Oh no, I'm not saying that he wasn't. What I'm saying is when people say that there's a minor discontinuity, and his testimony is extremely accessible. That's why I point to it. But it's not simply an eyewitnesses testimony that I would rely upon. But the fact is that it's corroborated all over the place and most notably, very very much

exercised from the nine to eleven Commission report. I don't think we've actually seen, you know, a formal record of his testimony been released to the public yet. No, it has not. No, it has not, even if they took it. I mean, we don't even know that they made a record of it, but they told them that they did. You're absolutely right, and most people don't know that there's a classified version of the nine

to eleven Commission report. They're classified staff reports. There were eight different staff subcommittees, Investigative Subcommittee, under Philip Delico, who Phillip Delico is the executive director of the so called investigation. I put that in quote, the cover up of nine eleven, and we now know that he wrote the detailed outline for the entire so called findings of the nine to eleven Commission report over a

year before they even started their investigation. Well, you know, and and people hate when I do this, but when you look at the Warren Commission and you take a look at the sub investigations that were created immediately around it, uh, you know, because now we have access to a lot of that stuff, including executive sessions and things. Of course, you know,

half a century later does this a lot of good. But the fact is that they had a predetermined conclusion in mind, and that was easy to witness.

I often say that that the nine to eleven Commission learned from the Warren Commission, because the Warren Commission released twenty six volumes and all sorts of inconsistent, congruous evidence, But the nine eleven Commission only gave us the one very heavily redacted volume to peruse for the public, and that was it, you know, So the the absolute proof with both the Warren Commission, of course, and the nine eleven Commission that in the case of the nine eleven fion

Philip Selco, the so called executive director, who was you know, had written books with Condeliza Rice Bush's National security advisor, was her special aid plant a potentiary when she went to the State Department and Secretary of State. They had worked on the George Bush Senior campaign and in the George Bush Senior administration in the nineties. So having Philip Vellico as the so called head the executive director of the nine eleven Commission was the same as putting condolisa Ris or Dick

Cheney or George W I should charge of the nine eleven Commissions. Of course, it was going to be a cover up, and it was. It was. It was basically written by the White House before it even began. And the proof that it was an inside job and all these sought people in the White House were part of the inside job at the very highest level is that Philip Veliko's story in his narrative, the official narrative in the nine to

eleven Commission report not put out for another four years. It's the same narrative that was put out by administration spokespers for quote who did it, unquote I e. Al Qaeda and Bin Lauden while the towers were still burning, and before either one of them had fallen. That put out by the perpetrators themselves on national television live while the towers were still smoking, right, and and honestly, the only way that that could happen in real time is a matter.

You know, it explains itself. The fact is you have a prepared statement because you know an event is going to come to pass. Okay, That's all there is to it. I mean, I don't know how much more simply to put it that you have to form. It's proven the nine eleven Truths movement has proven at nine to eleven all aspects, World Trade Centers one and two in the Pentagon was a self attack. There self attacks. They were inside jobs at the at the World Trade Centers one, two and

seven. They were actually a huge insurance scam by Larry Silverstein and his co investors, a huge insurance scam where he put in a one hundred and fifty million or something to get the least shortly without six months or so before six weeks before nine to eleven, and then turns that into billions of dollars of

insurance payments. After the terrorist attack, and literally just before nine to eleven, he actually was negotiating and negotiated with his insurance companies to change to have a new writer on his insurance policy for the towers, touch that if they were hit twice, it would be considered a double terrorist attack and he would get double the money. If you can imagine, he's from your evidence of fore knowledge and complicity than that by Larry Silverstein, who is the outright owner

of World Trade Center seven and still is right. And he was also attempted afterwards to seek you know, remuneration for two separate incidents regarding but I just did yeah, even after though, I mean you were saying that he had attempted to put that into place as a rider beforehand, but afterwards he did put it in place just before as a writer. Oh okay, he did, all right. I did not understand that part. I only knew that he had that he had sought you know, that shit. He did that

in the court cases. I understand it having read it. You know, it's a lot of legal ease. But in the media reports after the court case, signing because the argument, of course in the case, he was arguing, no, these are really two Sepate terrist attacks, two plane, I get double the money, and the other side, the insurance companies, of course, were saying, no, this is a unitary attack with two planes. So that was the argument in the court, and the judge came

down in the middle. Yeah, that's what I understood. They didn't give him exactly what he wanted, but they gave him more than give him all that he wanted. That he turned about one hundred and fifty million into billions almost over night. Well, and at the end of the day, a lot of people made their fortunes from what ensued after nine to eleven. I mean, you know, it's we don't even have the time to uh to you know, give give people the entire pedigree of the of the fortune's made

based on this and based on the ensuing war on terror. Again holding up air quotes for you at home. Uh you know that that that ensued afterwards. Hello, Oh you're having trouble hearing me? Hello? Hello? Oh yeah I can hear you. I lost you there for a sex Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't know. I think you're having a little trouble with your signal. But uh, it's okay, I'm back. Maybe I just tell the phone a little. I do want to mention the emergency response exxercizes

on nine to eleven on hijack scenarios that many people don't know about. Ah, yes, please do, because this this is also one of those things. See. I do want to get back to the anthrax attacks, but I do want you to go right, okay, because the thing is this, it has been re presented as nearly you know, separate incidents, and like you said, if you take a look at the dates, it just

follows logically that it is actually part of the same event. And since it's been admitted to as an inside job, essentially, I mean, if it is again part of the same agenda, if it is part of the same campaign, you would assume that that means that the whole thing is an inside job, and that means that really the anthrax attacks are not a separate incident whatsoever. They're just the continuation of the campaign of terror, and it is

a terror campaign. I don't want to take that out of the equation, however, you know, because because it did terrorize the population in general. Okay, there was a serious paranoid and like I said, those other residual events. But the fact that that is not even addressed anymore is no longer part of the discussion. I mean nine to eleven is you know, seen

in retrospective all the time. Of course, you know, it's always about the guys with the box cutters on the airliners that you know that caused us to ever after engage in longer conflicts than Vietnam in the Middle East. But they'd never it seems, except for maybe with an honorable mentioned sort of go into the anthrax attacks, right, you know, and well, there's good reasons for that. I'd like to say what that is, please, Yeah.

The reasons for that is when when real scientists got a hold of the antrax that was in the letters to Lahey and Nashville especially, they were the weaponized one, the ones that won Trillion Spores program, and they were powderized. They were dry antrax, and they were weaponized so that there was the static electricity type of an effect that kept the spores from sticking together, so that when the envelope was opened, they would literally fly out like a gas

and you would inhale them and you would die. Okay, THESEUS weaponized handtracks. The reason that they had. They were forced to say that Brusivan, an army by a warfare expert, an inside job person, did them. That's the official story right now by the FBI and the government. They were forced to do that when real scienceists got ahold of that weaponized vantrax and started

describing it, because you know, outside terrists has the capability. It requires a team of people, it requires millions, hundreds of millions of dollars worth of extremely advanced equipment and laboratories to create this stuff, this weaponized sandtracks, the one trillion forced program of powderized weaponized band tracks. So they were forced

to say that it was some kind of military abilities that created it. But they conveniently blamed it on a dead man, didn't They conveniently blamed it on a dead man in order to point the finger away from the real United States military intelligence lab that did do it. And that's the Tell Memorial Institute in Ohio and Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah, the Army's bioweapons testing, development and Testing center. That's where the finger points to the actual antrax in those letters.

Okay, so that uds Bruce Ivan as a file guy and a papsy to point the finger away from the real inside job antracks creators and nailers, which we've proven could not have been. Thus Ivan's because for eachrich where he

worked, only work first of all, with liquid antrax. It doesn't work at always powdered or dry an tracks at all, which is what was in the letters, right, And I mean and and just to to really just I know it sounds like I'm beating on this topic a little bit, but the fact is that this is not a matter of just making something into a powder. It gains certain properties which make it really efficient as a weapon. This is something I mean weaponized. It doesn't just mean that it can be

used as a weapon. It means that it's specific characteristics are by design so that like you were describing, you know, it automatically goes into like a gaseous sort of form. They're not wasting this stuff. It's you know, and and it does take a very particular set of knowledge. You're not going to be able to, you know, do this in your chemistry set at

home kind of thing. You know, by continuously grinding and whailah, you've come along with, uh, you know, anthrax even if you can get your hands on it, that's right, that that will do the people, don't You probably saw this only about a month ago, maybe a little less even, But believe it or not, a man by the name of Richard Lambert, who was the head, the chief, the head of the FBI's entire so called anthrax investigation for four years, has gone public now as a

whistleblower in a court case. And I will send you the link to his filing in a couple of New York Times front page articles about it that you can post. But the bottom line is, the man who was in charge of the entire so called FBI anthrax investigation for almost half a decade has just about a month ago, gone public saying you could read it from yourself between the lines that it's screamed between the lines of his actual court filing, Bruce

Ivan didn't do it, could not have done it. And believe it or not, it's been his filing that the FBI director and the people above him, even above the head of the end investigation in the FBI itself, withheld from him the fact that they the FBI lab had found DNA on the envelopes and withheld the analysis of the DNA also from the head of the FBI Zone investigation, in order obviously to enable them to blame the patsy pu Siben conveniently

a dead man, right, it would be rare, very inconvenient, okay, to have some dispositive proof that was, you know, scientifically irrefutable, so of course it would need to be withheld. That's that's you know, one oh one on how you do these things. You can't set up a patsy and then allow information to leak that would, you know, be completely

counterintuitive to having him be the guilty party. So that's exactly what Richard Lambert has just done, four years ahead of the SBI Zone antrax quote investigation unquote has just filed with the court a very evidence and your listeners can read that on your website. I'll send to the link. Oh I'm going to I'm going to have to make sure I put that out there because I wasn't aware I had heard about it. But but yeah, please all these links.

I will definitely make sure to package them alongside of this show because and then before we get off the antrax check, I just want to remind people that what was it only two or two and a half weeks ago or three of the most that we learned in banner headlines around the country, that Dugway Proving Ground, the Army's biowarfare Tests and Development Center in Utah so called quote accidentally unquote set live am flax through the mail through FedEx to something like twenty for

US laboratories live amtrax. This is within the last month or so. Yeah. Oops, you know, it was just a mistake of some sort apparently that they Yeah, but it doesn't wash that it was an error. No, administrative Look, the administrative restrictions on doing stuff like that at a facility like that are such that if anything a mistake might be made where things are not being sent to their proper places, you're not going to accidentally disseminate something,

especially as volatile as anthrax. Uh, you know, in as irresponsible a manner as is alleged to have happened here without a whole lot of things being intentionally to have been orchestrated. Yeah, the good news is there there is a potential good news explanations for that. For those live anthrax mailings. This is just one scenario that it was the first thing that came into my

mind. As you know, jay TELM is coming up, and that's a huge exercise in the whole southwestern United States from Texas all the way to California. I believe it starts around the fifteenth of this month, doesn't it, Chuck, Yeah, around the fifteenth of this month, and it goes for about a month I believe, or a little bit maybe three weeks or something. Anyway, jay TELM is coming up, and it is a you could

call it an emergency response exercise. Well, when you have an emergency response exercise, you have to have somebody pretending to be a bad guy, right, you have to have somebody being the red team pretending to be the enemy doing something some kind of an attack. Well, I believe that jade Helm was going to be on an antrak scenario, amongst others, possibly an antrax attack, and that some people on the side sabotaged that being turned into a

live turning the drill into a live event. And the way they did that was to preempt it. They pre empted it possibly by tending out by sending out amtrax live amtrax that they knew it wasn't deadly enough to cause any real problem, and then they leaked it themselves to the media because it was trumpeted everywhere, so you know, it was an official story. They didn't try

to hide it, didn't they They trumpeted it. And so they trumpet that this live amtrax went out and that it came from Dugway proving ground, so that if somebody on the inside of Jade hemm wanted to pull a nine to eleven and make a so called emergency response exercise in quote Schlow live into an actual attack like Captain at the Boston Marathon in nine to eleven and any other

many other examples, all they would have to if that happened. They were just letting, letting the insiders know that Dugway would be blamed, and they didn't want Dugway in the army to be blamed. So that's now not going to happen, at least not that scenario. Well, that's that's a really

fascinating, uh you know, hypothesis. Uh. And that does lead us right back into the discussion about the exercises because you mentioned them, but I sort of cut you off to go into the anthrax discussion, and we've we've got about a half hour left, which I think is fair to give representation to the concept of these exercises, which you know turned into the live event on September eleven, two thousand and one. All right, again, coincidentally

there goes those air quotes again. But coincidentally, you know, see these scenarios that allegedly occurred sound rather familiar, don't they. Yeah, so people need to know that it is now acknowledged, not just proven, which we've done. My own research was the first, but then it's been taken up

by other nine eleven researchers, and now it's been acknowledged. Number one, that the Air Force that nora ED, which is an Air Force agency NORAD, is the agency that was supposed to scramble fighter jets and didn't for over an hour and fifteen minutes on nine eleven. Right, so all those attacks went forward without any scramble jets stopping them or even going on their winnings and

telling them to layouts. Okay, nothing done that happened. So that's nora ED and all three attacked locations on nine to eleven, New York City, Pennsylvania and the Pentagon. They're all in what's called the Northeast sector of Norad. So it has now been acknowledged, acknowledged in print by the man who was the commander, the operational commander of Norah Northeast Sector. They call that

knead to any Ads Norah Northeast Sector on nine to eleven. His name is Colonel Bob Marr, could have been Lieutenant Colonel Bamar anyway, Robert Marr. Bob Marr. He has acknowledged in a book called Touching History by Lynn Spence. It's in the first part of the book, in the about pages twenty

three to twenty seven something like that. You can get that book, and she interviews Bob Mar and he acknowledged that on the morning of nine to eleven is Norah and Northeast Sector was running, planning to run, and started a hijack scenario exercise. And I put exercise in quotes now, because what happened when the actual attack started happening in New York City the first one World Pid Center one, then World Place Center two. When those information about that was

was called in from FAA to Nora and Northeast Sector. The people who answered the phone at Bob Mars Nora and Northeast sector on the morning of nine to eleven, thought it was part of the exercise and therefore delayed their response. They were confused, and why were they confused? They were confused because the exercise was on the FRIGAN almost identical scenario as the actual attacks. That's not

a coincidence. And what you're learning behind the smoke curtain is that I personally interviewed at the Naval Postgraduate School as the Senior Military Affairs Journal was there. I believe it was two thousand and eleven. In any case, it tim smoke curtain, the date, the time, and I published it on add

website Defense Department official website. I interviewed Richard Clark, who was George Bush and CONDOLISA Condelisa rices so called counter terrans channel terrorisms are in the National Security Council in the White House on nine to eleven, and he told me, and I published it on adiode website that quote this is an exact ravative quote. So White House approved and approved, advanced approved all major exercise scenarios unquote.

That means that Condolis arise almost certainly Dick Cheney, because he had been put in charge of counter terrorism response by President Bush on May eighth to two thousand and one. So that has to mean that Vice President Cheney, at

a very minimum, National Security Advisor Condolisa. Rice, and Richard Clark himself, the White House counter Terrorisms are knew that there were potjact scenario exercises taking place on the morning of nine to eleven, which puts the complete and total lie to Condeliza Rice going on TV and saying, we just couldn't have imagined the planes being used as weapons. She had advanced approved a hijack scenario exercise on the scenario of a hijack planes attacking the World Trade Center towers. She

knew that exercise was going forwards on the morning of nine to eleven. He committed the most unbelievable lies in the face of the American people and the Congress of the United States. That is imaginable. And so did President Bush. Right, Let's not limited to Condeliza Rice. Okay, because not Ari Fleischer, Ari Fleischer, Donald Rumspelled, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush himself, and Condoliza Rice come to my memory immediately, all making similar statements.

Not I said also the President, Yes, I mentioned of Vice President Cheney that's the whole high command, the whole high man were running, had pre approved and we're running those exercises which then were taken quote live unquote, they were turned into actual attacks, right exactly. But the concept that they tried to sell to the American people that it was a complete surprise, It was, you know, an unimaginable scenario. No one imagined. I think she

said, no one would have imagined, no one could have imagined. And even the nine to eleven Commission itself, its bottom line and its final conclusion was it was a failure of imagination, but a bunch of full I'm sorry, right, no, but this is what we call a blood libel on a geopolitical scale. Right, I'm very, very sick of the failures anyway, because a failure of imagination, a failure of intelligence, a failure of no Actually, what it is is a failure on the parts of the individuals

in charge to understand that. It is entirely transparent to anyone who is paying attention that there is no failure here. This is intentional. This is why it is brutally obvious that it is a self inflicted wound, an inside job. However, it is you want to codify exactly the nature of the operation. The bottom line is there was pre knowledge. There is absolutely no question

of that. There is too much evidence to the contrary when it comes to the concept, the remotely flimsy concept that this was some sort of shocking surprise to the nation Okay, to its intelligence assets, to its law enforcement assets, and even to the very executives in charge of those assets. I mean, I do want to say this because it's critically important. There's something your listeners can do bring legal accountability to the real perpetrators of nine to eleven at

least the beginning of the process. And some of you, some of your listeners may already know this, but they're the first investigation, official investigation by the US government. It was in fact by the House Intended Intelligence Committee, and they finished their report in two thousand and two, or they started in two thousand and two, probably anyway, they finished their report before the nine

to eleven Commission even began. And there is an entire chapter twenty eight pages of the Joint House Senate Intelligence Committee investigative report on the nine to eleven attacks that to this day is still classified and locked away by order of former President

George W. Bush. And the reason ives still classified is because we know from one of the men who wrote it, the former chairman of the Senate Intel Religence Committee, former Senator Bob Brahm, has gone public and told this that it points the finger directly at Saudi Arabia as the chief financer of the alleged ficheckers. Okay, so what people can do, what they what we need people to do is to go to this website. It's called www dot

HR fourteen dot org. So that's HR fourteen dot org and you go there and right at the top there's you can click on a link or an icon to sign the Root Action petition called the Roots Action Petition calling on your members of Congress and the Senate to sign to sign on to HR fourteen, which is a bill that now has some fourteen or fifteen co sponsors representatives in Congress who are demanding that these twenty eight classified pages finally be released, which will

open Pandora's box because it will point the fingers at the Saudis as the chief dinn and spears of the height alleged shijackers. But here's the rub Chuck, this is what I like about this. The real reason I want those twenty eight pages released is because the hijackers didn't do it. We can prove that, so the Saudis once that comes out, that information will be made part of the evidence by thousands of nine eleven victims family members whose case against the

Saudis has been allowed to go forward. And the only way the Saudis will be able to defend themselves is to point the finger where it really belongs, and that's at bush any on the Lisa Rice from self well this by and Pearl and Company. So it's really important for people to go to www dot h R fourteen dot org and click at the top to sign the Roots Action that's r OOK s ac P I O N dot org the Roots Action petition. Just sign it, take you thirty seconds. And we need to get

a thousand signatures. We're now up to a little under five hundreds. We need a thousand signatures for Roots Action, which is was co founded by David Swanson who's a major anti war activist as you know, and journalists, and we need a thousand petitions signatures, so we need double what we now have about and then Roots Action will make it an official petition drive and it can

take off. So please everybody go to www dot hr fourteen dot org, click at the top on the roots Action petitions links or icon and just sign that petitions. Please and tell your friends, Tell of all your friends, all your lists, all your Facebook all your Twitters to do the same thing. For sure. Well that'll be that'll be the first thing that I put out as soon as we're done speaking here, right, And I'll tell you, I'll tell you. The thing is, I don't hold my breath regarding

thinking that this is going to get us the truth. I've got it. I've got to be honest. It won't right, but it will open. It will be the camel's nose in the tin to forcing the Sudies to point the fingers where it's along. We'll see. That's the thing is, if they wind up being held, you know, liable for all sorts of interesting intrigues, they're going to have no choice unless well you know who knows. Do you think that they might actually just pay it off and be done with

it. No, No, the victims' fanily members won't be bribed, you now see. And I'm and I'm hoping not because when I watch a guy like Bob McIlvain speak, okay, which is another gentleman I would love to have a conversation with on this show. But I'll put him, I'll put him in touch with you. He's a friend of mine, absolutely excellent. I would definitely love to give him a forum and to speak with him.

But when I watch a gentleman like him speak and say from the bottom of his heart that he wishes to devote the rest of his life to make him sure that the truth emerges regarding the murder of his son, uh you know it is not only the truth emerging, but legal accountability for the real perpetrators that that too. Yes, Uh, you know when when I when I see that, though, I know that just by my own secondary observation,

I'm looking at somebody who's not looking for a payoff. I know I'm looking at somebody who legitimately wants an answer, which you know, excuse my French here, but he damn well deserves and that's all there is to it.

Okay. By way, I should point out to people we started I think you started out the show before I came on, letting people know about another information product that I put out last year for the nine to eleven anniversary, and Richard Gage, the founder of the and head of Architects and Engineers for nine to eleven Truth, announced it at ground Zero last year on September eleven, and I'll be with him at ground zero again this year on the anniversary.

Last year, we rolled out the nine eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour, which is opened and closed by none other than Bob McIlvaine who lost his son Bobby in World Trade Center one. So everybody really need to see both behind the smoke curtain on YouTube. It's also available on Amazon as a DVD.

But the walking tour is just on YouTube, and it's the nine Flash, so nine Flash eleven, nine to eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour that's opened and closed by a powerful passionate called by Mob McElvane who lost his son on nine to eleven in World Trade Center one. A call for the truth and for everyone to watch the nine to eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour. And the reason

for that is that this walking tour on YouTube. If you can't get to ground zero for heaven takes for sure, to watch it, and watch it anyway if you've been to Ground zero or you're going, because it uses the actual exhibit items, photographs of the actual exhibit items that are in the physical nine to eleven museum at ground zero, to prove that the official story that

the museum is trying literally to cast in stone is a lie. It uses their own exhibit items prove their line inside their own museum at ground zero. And let me add this, because I sat and I watched it just earlier today to make sure it was fresh in my mind. This is an amazing piece of work, even the audio without the video. Okay, I am

very much imagine. I'm sure this was the intention. So I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but for the listener's sake, you take this thing and you have it on your phone, whether you download it or you pick it up from YouTube, however it is, you grab it, have it ready and go if you're going to go there, because the reality, okay, of exactly how the manipulation is being done right in front of your eyes is given to you in an audio form, even if you don't watch

it, and you listen to it that way, But do do watch it. I guarantee you if you just watch it, even if you're not going to the memorial there in New York City, even if you just watch it, because you can't make it to wherever you are, you know, to New York City. By the way, Chuck, it's been tested. You can watch it both the video I am here the audio seven stories Underground in the museum itself the ground eero oh Okay. I wasn't aware of that because

I haven't tried to get myself. But what I'm telling you is that this is a remarkable piece. It is absolutely excellent, and I'll tell you what. I'm actually going to point it at a couple of other people who do some production, because I want them to use it as an example for the nonsense that goes on with the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis, Okay, and also with the school Book Depository, the sixth Floor Museum and JFK, the

official JFK Live Museum. Exactly. I think that both of those things deserve a video presentation just like this. Absolutely and absolutely anybody who who really knows the truth about the JFK assassination. And I believe there's an alternative, smaller museum. They're also in Dallas. They could easily do a school book Depository jfk Assassination virtual walking tour that people could open up and have on their smartphones

while they're going through the actual official live museum at UH in Dallas. Yes, they could, right, and but I don't know if they'll be able to do as good a job. But the concept is amazing. Who came up with the concept of doing that? Do you know? Well, if you want, if you want God's truth, it came from the force, It came from a very high place. It was a vision, it was a it was a I woke up one morning knowing it had to be done, and I did it. I did it single handedly. It's it's an

amazing piece of work. And uh, you know not not not to say that a lot of the other things that I've seen you do, including that presentation in Seattle, which we were talking about and is also available on YouTube. Uh really, honestly, I've never seen anything come out where you're discussing anything. Uh, giving a presentation of any sort that isn't isn't remarkable,

honestly, But these two things are extremely important bookends. If you don't do anything else based on this show, I mean, I do do advise you to go and visit HR fourteen dot org. Take a look at that, because the more of the nonsense that can be exposed, the more obvious it will become to everyone what's actually happened. But right, But the point of these other things here are also remarkable and extremely well done. Uh. They're

the type of thing that you can show to the uninitiated. They're the type of thing that you can use for someone who is unconvinced by any You can hold house parties. You don't have to do this publicly. You can have your friends and family over in your living room and you could order the DVD of Behind the Smoke Curtain, pop it into your DVD player, or you could just play it on you know, on your large screen laptop and you can have popcorn, and you can educate people in house parties in your right

and extremely accessible information and durant sign that Roots Action petition. That's the most important thing that you learn all about the twenty eight pages in the campaign by the nine oleven Truth Movement nationwide and worldwide to get those pages finally declassified. You learn that as a website as well, but asurant sign that Roots Action petition as soon as you can everybody. Oh no, absolutely, I'm saying these are these are the three bullet points that I want to push on this

show right now, is these three things HR fourteen dot org. Take a look out at sign the petition because again, getting the rest of the ridiculousness out will cause them to have to answer it. Okay, So that's what the point of that is. The Other thing is that these two presentations behind the smoke curtain, as well as the Virtual Walking Tour, which is out on YouTube and a couple of different places, but it's very easy to find. Just nine to eleven Virtual Walking Tour. You'll recognize it. No.

Nine to eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour. Excuse me, thank you, nine to eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour. And you'll know you're in the right spot because at the very beginning that it is introduced by Bob McIlvaine, who we did discuss here briefly. And I'm telling you this guy you will recognize him from a couple of other documentaries, a couple of other shorts on the subject, etcetera, etcetera. I'm telling you that this is different from what you're

normally going to run into. It's extremely well done and puts into context the actual evidence that they are showing you to support the official line. Okay, you can set you also get to go into tours if you are on the inside of the actual museum ground zero right. It even actually explains exactly how you enter, what the security measures are, the escalators, where they are, everything. So, yes, it is literally a virtual chore in and

of itself. But if you're going to go there physically, absolutely you need it loaded into your phone or if you still have an iPod or something else you can carry in your pocket, stick your earbuds in and listen to it as you observe things. And they even give it a pot so also also look at it before you go, and then also bring it up when you go in. Yeah, yes, absolutely, Barbara. You know, I we're running low on time, so you know, and I do appreciate the

fact that you've spent this time with me today. It was kind of on

relatively short notice. But but I'm telling you it's just I'm happy. I'm happy to do it, Chuck anytime, any time at all, and I look forward to being on other shows that you can get me on as well that we dispen Oh, absolutely, and we're going to visit this topic and as well as a couple of others, uh, you know, when when you have time, because it is just it's an amazing thing to take a look at what has been utilized to make certain things become reality in this world.

And the fact that we now live in the Homeland era, the fact that we now live in an era where our longest you know, standing war in my lifetime, uh, you know, and many of the people that are hearing me, the longest standing war is on an ideology and based on many fictional events, okay that were misrepresented. And check it's much longer than either World War line and World War two exactly. And but I mean, I'm just stating for my lifetime. I mean I observed Vietnam. I observed,

you know, briefly. I observed you know, little minor incursions all the way up in still desert storm, so on and so forth. But we are now in Afghanistan literally longer than we were in Vietnam. We have now been engaged in this war on terror longer than we were in any of the global conflicts that preceded it. This is an absolute atrocity. This is the absolute murder and the robbery of freedom from millions of people across the globe.

And let's remember, let's remember that only about three thousand people a little under died from the nine to eleven attacks, but literally millions have been slaughtered

and displaced from their homes based on the nine to eleven lie. Precisely, precisely what it is I was getting ready to say, and of course you put it in a much better way, but that is exactly what the point is here, is that the millions of lives destroyed, the countless amounts of personal freedom violen leans that have occurred on our own soil as a result of this, the fact that the state is now allowed to surveil everyone, the fact that we are being legislated to in a wholly unique way, the fact

that the homeland concept and the continual, the continual propagandizing of the American people. I mean, as we speak, we are approaching the fourth of July, our Independence Day, where we are meant to believe that fear is one of the great governing things. We need to be alert, we need to see something, say something. We need to make sure that we prevent any further terrorist attacks, even when there's a live shooting event where there's no shooter.

Right, this is exercise, that's what it means. Yes, an exercise that somehow someone in the media got alerted to that probably should never have been heard about. That's what I'm assuming happened here. But who knows. I'm not exactly so devious that I understand every single one of these operations. That's the logical conclusion based upon all the other so called exercises, wargames and emergency response exercises on nine to eleven, on hijack scenarios, they went live

and returned into actual attacks. It makes sense that our military is still doing this. They have to do drills to train their people, but it's too often, too often that somebody infiltrates these drills, or somebody at the top decides for whatever reason, that they want him to go live and they put real bullets, you know, real bullets and live bullets and live bombs in

these exercises, and then real people die. That it started out as an exercise, that real people die, So they confuse people in the nine to eleven truth movement, But we're not confused. We know what's happening. So I should say that any time you hear that there's going to be a major

military or intelligence exercise in your community, get out of town. Well, you know, there's got to be a better way than just simply fleeing, you know, in my estimation, but it is good advice if you want to keep yourself intact, that's for sure, because it is a serious For instance, in Portland, Oregon, I think you're in Portland, aren't you check? No, No, actually I'm in North Carolina. Well you're in

North Carolina. Okay, Clyde's in Portland. Clyde Lewis is important, right, Well, I'd like to close out by just making very very explicit in words. Everyone heard that famous slogan the first casualty of war is the truth. Where you can turn it around, the first casualty of the truth about

nine to eleven is the end of the nine to eleven wars. And that's the reason that the nine eleven Truth movement has never given us and we will never give up, and why we are so immensely grateful to people like you for letting the word get out to as many Americans and people around the world as possible. Thank you so much. Listen, I do appreciate that. Thank you, And of course I don't even know where to begin thanking you for all of the work that you've done on this and all of the service

that you have done for people around the world. In essence, because as as you so aptly put, yes, not only is the first casualty of war the truth, but if the truth really does prevail, the first casualty of that shall certainly be these illegal, ridiculous and absolutely falsely founded wars and I and that is the overall goal here, regardless of whose version of the truth that has been surmised thus far is reality. It doesn't matter to me at the end of the day, if you know, maybe we've gotten a

few things wrong over time or anything else. If we can actually get at it and get it done, then this whole thing comes undone right before our eyes. So yes, and the critical change, the critical shift, it's a paradigm shift, literally, is when a critical mass in the American public, thanks to people like you, understand a simple fact that the official story is alive, that nine to eleven was not a terrorist attack, it was

an inside job massacre of our own citizens. And once Americans realize that, once they realize that they will never again, I hope, allow anything like the secrecy that surrounds these war games and emergency response exercises. The evil drives in the dark. The most important thing that we could do in this country is to have a campaign to end unnecessary secrecy for full sunshine and transparency in

our federal government. Absolutely, and maybe maybe the next president we get, you know, because we were supposed to get the transparent president this time. The next president we get, maybe we can actually hold him accountable and make his administration do that. But listen, Barbara Honaker has been my guest tonight and I just can't thank you enough. Barbara. I'm going to let you go, and I know that you're busy for the rest of the evening,

so I will be in touch with you tomorrow. But Jean, I'm I'm going to send you those links to post within the next few hours, and I'm gonna end with one sentence, just like John Paul Jones said, We've only just begun to fight for the truth. Yes, ma'am, and better words were not spoken by a better individual. I am extremely grateful that you were on with me tonight, So enjoy the rest of your evening, and I will look forward to getting and disseminating those links in there as many places

as I possibly can. Thank you, and we'll talk to you again. Absolutely so, Barbara, good night, Barbara Honaker, everybody. You know, what can I say again? You know I have plenty of questions, but the overall message is still the same. If we get at the truth, we stop getting at the lies. And nine to eleven is not simply a matter of historical debate. It is not a matter of academic hypothesis.

This is something that still affects anybody. You can hear the sound of my voice to this day, constantly continuously, because it is the justification for murder, for the destruction of our alleged rights, for the absolute disillusionment of this country, for the devastation of multiple populations, all predicated upon one particular day in two thousand and one, and what has resulted ever after. So this is why I constantly revisit this particular subject. And I want to thank you

for tuning in tonight to the Ocelli effect. I'm just about done, but I do appreciate all of you who decided to take a listen tonight, and well, I know I'm going to get some nasty feedback about this show, too. Good deal. I definitely am looking forward to it all. Anyway, thanks for tuning into ucy dot tv. I do appreciate you. If you are catching this further on down the line, go to ucy dot tv slash t oe and there you will find the archives, the link to the

YouTube playlist, other information on many other shows on the network. In fact, a couple of real great people on the network if you want my suggestions. Chris Jackson Rojas has a show on there now. I do very much endorse his general message on just about everything I've heard from him. Brandon Turberville, an incredible journalist over at the ucy dot tv website. Andrew Shale who does cold reality US entertaining as well as informative definitely a cool guy who's been

on this show a couple of times. And oh and you know, Freedom

Bollues are going on this weekend. JJ Mister James Freeland JJ Inc. Who does Against the Wall, another guy who I do appreciate on the network as well as our owners show Before the First Cup which comes on in the mornings, informative news and she touches on many things that I don't often discuss, but do have many opinions on regarding transhumanism, the scientific technocracy, which has in the US look the Dusty Tip stat Side us Time, a Gay Time

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