And so it is the twenty seventh day of August twenty fifteen. Here on the o'celly Effect. I am your host, Chuck o'helly, and we are being heard alive on American Freedom Radio at Americanfreedomradio dot com. I do appreciate you no matter how you are listening to this right now, whether it is further on down the stream or if you're catching us on one of the affiliate websites, et cetera,
et cetera. You're all appreciated what I have for you tonight. Though, is well a serious rarity because in all the years that I've studied the JFK case, I must say that one of the individuals that I wanted to interview for probably a decade now is Abraham Bolden. Now, many of you may not have heard of Abraham Bolden. I'm learning that some things that I think are rather common knowledge are not so common among the general public. But interestingly enough,
I mean I have seen mister Bolden on television. You may have heard him interviewed elsewhere, but I promise you this will not be exactly as you have seen him or heard him before, because well, I'm just an odd individual. So this is the way it will go. And I'll tell you something, Even before we went on air, I even had to stop and question because I see him identified and I had this discussion off air, and I'll
share it with you guys right now. You know, I said to myself, it is really odd to me that there is an assumption that he's automatically identified as an African American, you know, simply because of the complexion of his skin. And I wouldn't even bother to mention his ethnicity except that it does play a vital role in the story that we're about to tell you, Okay, And it turns out that mister Bolden is quite content with
being understood as an African American individual. But you know, during the time I grew up, we did generally identify
individuals of darker complexion as black. But I'm more than happy to say that mister Bolden is, you know, first of all, a man of principle and a man that I really want you to get to know tonight in a different sort of way, because this, to me, again is I don't know how to explain this one of the unsung American heroes in my estimation, who is not only do a pardon, but is also do an apology from the United States government. Okay, and we're going to
find out why in a few minutes. How are you tonight, mister Bolden.
Thank you Baron much for inviting me, Chuck, and I'm doing pretty good.
Well. I am glad to hear it. Sarah. You know, it is a fascinating story, and there's so much to tell. I kind of want to give you a chance to explain to people how it is you got into law enforcement, because that seemed to be the profession that you found
yourself in before joining the Secret Service. I wonder if you could kind of explain that and kind of give people an idea of how you wound up being the first Now, and again I'm not sure about this, the first African American who was a Secret Service agent or were you simply the first African American who was assigned to presidential detail.
For Actually I was both because one of the other ones who was from the Police.
Islands, who happened to be dark complexed, but he denied that he had anything in.
The association with Negro Africa all black, So that would make me the first Secret Service agent black. Secret Service agent as I see it. Also, I'm not campaigning for that honor because I think that honor of having been the first black to be appointed to the Secret Service detailed in Washington and DC on the President John F.
Kennedy. It's an award enough for me. It's a historical mark of benefit to my whole raige.
Well. Absolutely, and this was a rarity at the time. I mean, and you were actually hands selected. But as I said, I would like to get into what it is that brought you into law enforcement, and you know, why is it that you chose that as a career or was it something that just happened.
Well, Chuck, I grew up in a rough neighborhood down in southern Illinoisst. Saint Louis, Illinois, and things were with me, the racial situation and the condition of my people down.
There, the crime that was going on.
But I decided at an early age that I wanted to either become a lawyer or a musician. After I graduated from Lincoln University in Jefferson City, Missouri, having received a.
Scholarship in music, I graduated with a BA.
In composition, But my heart was really on police work, and they it came upon a chance, my wife happened to be reading these Saint Louis supposed to Dispatch UH and saw that pink the National Detective Agency.
Was hiring new detectives.
Of course, Pinketon at that time didn't have any black detectives on their roster. They had uniform policemen who were guards at companies and factories, but they did not have any detectives. My wife happened to have been reading this Saint Louis Sposed to Dispatch, and they were advertising for UH for detectives. So I went over there and I made an application, and that that end it started.
My entrance into law enforcement. I became the first black to be appointed as a pink.
And a detective and nationwide, and so I was very very well prepared to be you might say, a trailblazer. And after that I went into the Illinois State Police, where I stayed four years.
I had Illinois State Police training and.
Then became one of the first in the Illinois State Police Investigated Division under Captain Jacquelyndan, now president.
When Kennedy was running for president.
He came to p Or, Illinois, where I was stationed as Illinois State policeman. Now, I was very fun the President Kennedy, as many of my black brothers and sisters work, We.
Thought that he was sincere. We thought that he wanted to.
Try to bring peace among the races during the nineteen sixties period, and he.
Happened to win the presidency.
Now, I was appointed to the United States Secret Service in October of a nineteen sixty on under President Eisenhower. But John Kennedy after he won the election, he beat He beat Nixon by some eight thousand votes in Cook County here in Cook County, Chicago, and he decided to come to Chicago on April of twenty eighth, or nineteen sixty one, in order to thank Mary Daily for the narrow victory that he achieved by eight thousand votes in
Cook County. Now, the President, as I said, when he came to Chicago, there were assignments that were given up being given out to Secret Service agents where the President was going to be coming to speak at McCormick Place. The President arrived at the place at around eight thirty or so pm that night on April of twenty eighth, nineteen sixty one.
Now, arrangement had been made.
By mister gagline, a gagline to put me out of sight in front of a washroom on the lower level of McCormick.
Place, out of the way, you know, the president.
The chances of me sending president in that position were almost slimmed and none. But in my position that was on the charter assignments the Secret Service when we were being assigned in positions on the evening of April of twenty seventh, was to be standing near the stage where the President.
Was going to be speaking. Well, that was changed at the last.
Minute and they put me downstairs in the basement in front of the washroom. However, when the motiicator arrived at McCormick Place, the first thing that the President wanted to do was use the washroom in which I had been assigned the guard And as I was standing there on duty, much to mine surprise and but to my happiness, I saw the President as he was coming downstairs to use the washroom in the accompanied by Mary Daily and practically every important politician in the state of Illinois.
So you can see it was very ironic how we met.
Now, the President stopped writing in front of me as I was standing there in front of the washroom, and he asked me, was I a secret Service agent? Or was I want to marry Daily's finest answer, meaning was I want to Mary Davis policeman detectives. And I answered,
I'm one of these secret service agents, mister President. And the President being the sincere man that he was, and he had already issued an order about two weeks before that that the government had the high negroes and positions than that they had to make an accounting of the promotions and evaluation that they were being given to negro so that the government would be sure to.
Be given them a fair shot.
But anyway, the President and I shook hands, and the President looked me in eye and said, he asked me, he says, mister Bolton.
He says, says I ever been a Negro assigned to the White House detail in Washington.
D C.
And I answered them not to my knowledge, mister President. And to my surprise, he says, would you like to be the first? I said yes, sir, mister President, and he said I'd be looking forward to seeing you in Washington, D C.
And on June sixth, nineteen sixty one, I became the first Negro to be assigned to the president to detail on the White House detail in Washington, d C.
And that that is amazing because you know, as you said, no one had ever gotten that position. Who was well, you're using the the term negro because that was contemporary with the time. That's exactly the term that would have been used then. But no one of what we would say today would be African American dissent at that time
had any sort of position of responsibility. I mean in a lot of federal agencies prior to prior to Kennedy's you know declaration, because I mean even in the FBI there were there were, you know, black agents allegedly, but they were usually given menial jobs and things like this. They were never actually given serious investigative responsibilities or anything like that. I mean, how did you how did you
feel about that when that happened. I mean did you kind of feel as though maybe it wasn't real or did you think, you know, did you think it was just an amazing coincidence? I mean, what struck your mind at that time when that whole exchange took place before you actually got to go.
It was just unbelievable that under these circumstances that I had met the President of the United States, whom I had admired so much, and I thought it would do a terrific job in bringing this country together and given everybody affairs shaik. President Kennedy impressed me as a very dedicated person who did not want to give us an advantage as black people, but he did want to make.
The playing field level.
He wanted everybody to have the same opportunity for progress, and so I was very impressed and very elated that he had recommended me to become the first Negro in the White House.
Detail. Of course, after I arrived in Washington, d C.
On June sixth of the nineteen sixty sixty one, I was not very well received by some of the agents. It seems to me that it was evident that I was breaking up a good old boys club. They had things situated pretty much like they wanted them, and it seemed like I was an interlope, a person.
Who was not welcome in the good old boys club.
And I think that everybody understands what I mean when I said that certain things happened and occurred. A hangman's news were hung over my desk, and there were things that occurred in Washington, d C. Different assignments, and that really let me know where I stood so.
Far as the Secret Service concern.
Well. And there was also situations where they protested and said that you wouldn't be able to stay in hotel rooms with them if they went down south, and things like this.
Right, yes, that's absolutely the right.
As a matter of fact, President went to Miami, Florida on a trip, on a little trip that he and Jack Flyn had and they didn't take me there. And later I discovered a memo that was left on my desk, a derogatory memo with a drawing of a Negro man with very curly hair and thick lips, and on the reverse of the document.
Which was a memorandum.
That was written to the chief of the Secret Service saying that don't bring the Negro to Miami, because if you do, we will not accommodate him in the hotel. And I put a conta that let in my book Tacko from d D Plaza to demonstrate just exactly what was going on so far as my status with the Secret Service was concerned. But I didn't go there to
become and icebreak. I was invited there by the president of the United States, and I just wanted to do my best to perform my duties to the people of the United States of America and and to protect the president's life, uh, to the best of my ability.
Hmmm. Well, that's the thing. You were just simply an honorable man who had been given an unusual opportunity at that time, and what you were confronted with was was, well, let's let's be blunt. I mean, it was nothing short of just a continuous barrage of all sorts of racism.
I mean, uh, you you got to They very clearly made remarks in your presence, from what I understand, uh uh, you know, directly related to well, I mean, look, I'm just gonna be I'm just gonna be harsh about some of the things that I've read, and I hope you don't take offense, but I mean I've even read commentary where it was stated that they didn't want to take a bullet for someone who, you know, who was a
well a negro lover or this kind of thing. I mean that this was the types of statements that you were being confronted with as well.
Yes, absolute, and now what happened is this when we went to Nasport, Massachusetts with President Kennedy.
I know that certain habits of.
Conduct but that was within the agents of the Secret Service that was detrimental to the life of the President of the United States, and that many of the agents that were surrounding the president, they seemed to be be in in less than stable attitude regarding the president and his policies. They had lost the focus of the job that Congress had given the United States Secret Service to protect the presidency of the United States, and they had focused on the man who they disliked.
Many of the disliked very deeply. They called him an inn word lover, and they said that.
If anything should happen, if someone should try to assassinate him, they would not respond.
Now we have to.
Understand, sir, that in the nineteen sixties was a very, very volat appeared within the history of America. Our people were being black, people were being lynched in Mississippi.
And in the far South. There were La freedom bus rides.
We had the shootings, we had the assassinations were going on, and it was just horrible. There were riots in almost every city across the United States. So it was a very volatile time, and it affected not only the people that surrounded the President, but also the general public. However, the President, being the honest person that he was and a dedicated person that he was, had taken a side of right and not the side that many of the agents thought that he should take, which was to keep
the Negro in his place, so to speak. And they believed in that so deeply that the agents. I heard the discussion while we were in Massachusetts. The agents were discussing whether or not they would protect the president if an assassination attempt would be made, and when they came to a conclusion.
That some of them would not protect.
The president, I thought that this was worthy of being brought to the immediate attention of the Chief of the United States Secret Service.
And when I returned back to Washington, D C.
On July the seventh, eighteen hundred and sixty one, I.
Immediately reported it that to Chief Yui Bauman ulysses Ebaumen.
At the Chief of the Secret Service office in the Treasury Building. He promised me that he was going to look into it, but nothing ever happened. There were also things that I saw in the conduct under the Secret Service, the laxity the drinking, the cabaret with different.
Women, bringing women to the hotel, and just general misconduct.
I thought for an agent with the special obligation that we had concerned in the President of the United States, And when I upbraided the agents concerning this conduct, I was told by one of my supervisors, Harvey Henderson was his name. He says Bolden, and I says what Harvard? He says, I want to tell you something, and don't you ever forget. You're a nigger. You were born a nigger, You're gonna die a nigger. You'll never be anything else but a nigga.
So I act like one.
This is what a supervisor told me. And I knew at that particular time.
That it was probably be time for me to exit my experience on the detail because.
The under the idea and the understanding that the situation was so volatile all across the United States that to be confronted like that by a supervisor within a.
Secret Service or was very dangerous and something that had to be done.
So I asked to be transferred back to Chicago, Illinois, after explaining to the chief of the Secret Service everything that I've just outlined to you, who from the Secret Service chief promised me that he would look into these things.
But it seems that to conduct continued.
Well, and even now, you know, in more modern times, you're still hearing about some of the same behaviors. Because look, there's more than one aspect to this. There's the fact that their conduct outside of their disdain you know, for you personally as a representative of being you know, what you called an interloper and so on and so forth.
It's it's more than that, because they were just I mean, look, if you're drunk and you're womanizing and you're not paying attention to your job, that's a straight violation of everything that you're supposed to be sworn to do. If you're in that position, Okay, and the same thing you you thought, even listen, I'm causing a disturbance here among this, I'm not going to do any good here. You actually chose to be transferred away thinking that you were doing a good thing.
I guess, yes, yes, I have to be transferred away because I knew that the volume of hate that I was receiving it was very critical, and that if a person talked to you face to face, as my superbas advisor, talked to me, and he had you might say, control of the positions that I would be stationed on all around the White House and everywhere else. It would he could easily put me in a in a position of home or the accident purposely do me home, or.
Even blame or even blame if something went wrong.
Right, Yes, that's that's right now.
Where the where the critical situation came in was when I predicted to the chief of the United States Secret Service and to Inspector Tom Kelly, who wasn't inspected with the United States Secret Service, when I predicted that if an assassination attempt would be made a President kennidate, it would be successful.
Because the agents would be in no condition whatsoever to respond.
And on November the twenty second of nineteen sixty three, that became a reality.
And once that.
Became a reality, then I knew that my days were numbered with the United States Secret Service because they knew that for years I had been complaining about it, and I had predicted that the outcome of an attempt to assassinate President Kennedy would be successful.
Well, let's rewind to one one thing though, because three weeks earlier, before the assassination of President Kennedy with the date that we all know at this point November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, three weeks earlier approximately, there was another situation that arose in the Chicago office, right.
Yes, absolutely that fact. There were two situations that were going on at the same time. Now, when I first wrote in my book that Echo from the Past concerning the Chicago operation, and I think there was an author of a magazine who spoke with once, I can't call his name right now to particular time, but the Edwin Black, Yes,
Edwin Black, that's right. We discussed an article about gunman who had come into Chicago around November the first, and we had got information that a landlady in Chicago had discovered automatic wifes and weapons in the room that these people had, these.
Cubans had rented.
Now, the Secret Services were signed to investigate this. Over the last I would say fifty years, sir, the Secret Service and many of the investigations who came out of Washington, DC had been unable to say that they were unable to substantiate this investigation that happened in Chicago.
But just let me just give you a fact on it.
That in October nineteen sixty three, and I'm reading from a research that I had done in order to make sure that what I was doing and telling the people of the United States in my book was true, that in October of nineteen sixty three, there were three men who were in Plymouth, Michigan, and they were gun runners. Now, on about October of thirty, these three men, who were Cubans, two two of them came to Chicago. They came in Chicago by plane. Now these people were Seer Hernandez and
a man named Berkman. Now that corresponds exactly with the arrival of a hit team. That I would say it was a hit team that came in Chico into Chicago right around the time that the.
President was to.
Attend the Army Air Force Game at Soldier Field on about November two. Now, so when I saw this, I knew that I was not just it was not a figment of my imagination. That the coup builer Customs had indeed investigated three individuals and had turned that information over to the FBI, and that these men and in fact came to Chicago and stayed at a hotel in Chicago.
The weapons were discovered by a landlady.
And at that same time we had an undercovered agent in the organization, the DRE organization, with a man named Ashevery. Now these people heard our employment heard a Shavery state that the president was about to be assassinated.
Now now we're talking now home about November.
The first, and in late October, so doing these investigations of the potential assassination of the president. The Secret Service agents J. Lord Stocks and Tom Strong, who were signed to investigate this report that we had received persons coming in with telescope with rifle, were told the site of taxed. We investigated that and the Secret Service bluely investigation. It was terminated because the investigation was was you might say, destroyed.
By the LDI by telling the one of our.
Informents, telling Shaver and his group, the DRE that the Secret Service had to inform and a plant within the organization, and so that that.
Investigation was totally destroyed. M.
And that that led to an interesting situation because well, like you said, for for all these years they have denied that this investigation existed. Uh. But but first of all, you have your own memory, and and secondly, you've been able to corroborate an exactly parallel situation, right.
Yes, absolutely, I had to do the research because there was a man named.
John Adams who.
Was saying that this was a figment of my imagination and this was a.
Made up story in order to.
Cloud to HS to my so called guilt of a crime against the United States. But its states clearly here and it's been investigated by the customer US custom who submitted reports.
I have the FBI and CIA.
Number of Eschevert, which was number two oh one seven six seven four nine born September.
Third, nineteen thirty one. He was the person who said that the president.
Was about to be assassinated, and he made this statement on about November the twenty.
First of nineteen hundred and sixty three.
So after this, and of course there's been other allegations of investigations that turned up sort of different things going on, different plots against the president all over the country. It's pretty interesting that previous to November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, it appears as though there was more than one plot against him, and one of them you actually end up uncovering.
And not only that, but you had the wherewithal to understand that due to the conduct of the Secret Service agents who were charged with the protection of the president, they absolutely were putting him at risk.
Yeah, simultaneously, yeah, right right, he was at there is And we also had inaccepted conversation.
In Miami at Lauda. Now, I want you to understand, sir Chuck, that.
Much of this was covered up and did not go before the American people. But American people have no knowledge of this. That a person whose name was Miltier had a conversation with one of our informents on the telephone. Now the sheriff of Day County and Miami, Florida, had recording made of the conversation between this right.
Wing of mil Tier and our informant.
Mil Tier told the informant that the President Kennedy was about to be assassinated. Also, he said the same thing that sail had said here in Chicago. And the informant asked mil Teer, you're really gonna do it?
Huh? And Milteer said, it's a dundal, it's a dune deal.
When the Secret Service knew about this conversation, the informent asked Militier, well, how are you gonna go about doing this? And they said, we're gonna put a guy in a tall building and we're gonna give him a rifle with a telescopic site, and that's the way we're.
Gonna get Kennedy. And we already have a fall guy sat up. So you can see that this plan was well developed.
This thing that happened in Dallas, Texas, and Texas and the thing that was about to happen in Chicago was already pre programmed. It was set up, and they were going to kill the president in one of the three places, either Miami or Chicago or Dallas, Texas. And they traced him to Dallas, Texas, and they executed their plane.
And this Milton area you're talking about, it's not even just your average guy or anything. This individual actually was going around and collecting money to try and assassinate doctor King at one point that there's all sorts of interesting information about who this guy was. He was definitely involved in the more extreme right wing factions who were quite against integration, who were quite against a lot of the policies of the Kennedy administration. They wanted no part of
anything he was about to about to do. Okay, So, and I'm sure you're aware of.
All that, Yes, I'm aware of it. Now.
Where I came into the picture was this, After that the president was assassinated, I began to see suspicious activity, activity designed to cover up the things that the Secret Service knew. The reports that had been generated in reference to the potential assassination of President Kennedy were destroyed, some were changed, and many of these suspects were not interviewed.
Either by the FDI reinterviewed, or the One Commission. And I was thinking at.
The time that maybe the One Commission did not know that this was going on. So I wanted to go before the Warren Commission, and I was scheduled to go to Washington, d C. In May of the nineteen sixty four, at which time I wanted to go before the One Commission and see if they were privileged to some of this information that I had been complaining about and the investigations of other people who were trying to assassinate President Kennedy. That seemed to me they were not getting this information.
But I didn't know at the time, Sir that kaz is back on about December the sixth, after which time the the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service chief met here in Chicago, and they had a big conference here in Chicago. Cazenbach issued issued a statement, issued a memo to Bill Morias, who was one of the President Johnson survives that Oswald had to be found as the loan assassin of President Kennedy.
I didn't know that that memo existed at that time. So when I went to Washington, DC and tried to contact J. V.
Rankin, who was counsel of the Warrant Commission, I didn't know that I was being followed at the time, and I was being suspected of trying to, you know, do.
What they thought that I would do once I got to.
Washington, DC, and that is to bring some pressure on the Secret Service in the activity that led to the assassination of the President of the United States.
Again, you were honestly attempting to do your duty, which was to inform the individuals who were allegedly investigating the situation that leads had not been followed, that proper investigative procedures had not been followed, based on your own personal knowledge. Plus you were also going to enlighten them as to the negligence of the Secret Service in general and that's what your plan was, right.
Yes, absolutely, that's what my plan was. Now in reference to that, when I arrived in Washington, the DC on May seventeenth of nineteen sixty four, after I made the telephone call to the White House switchboard trying to get jay Lee Lankin's extensions so that I could give him a call. The next day, on the eighteenth of May, they picked me up and brought me back to Chicago and charged me.
With the crime.
They had had a fake set up where one of the individual counterfeitness that I had rested a couple of time for counterfeiting money was accusing me of trying to endy into a conspiracy with.
Him to solicit to some of fifty.
Thousand dollars from another counterfeiting named Joseph Spagnolan. Now this was all false, and they absolutely knew that it was false. But the whole thing was to silence me and to make my words account for nothing. Because they knew the things that I'm telling you right now, they wanted to discredit them in advance by discrediting me in my.
Character well, and even went so far as to manipulate the proceedings because I've read about these proceedings. You know, this, this farce of a trial that you were supposed to have gone through, was absolutely ludicrous. I wonder if you wouldn't tell people a little bit about that, you know, because look, it's an interesting kind of point to think that you had been Okay, if you're being convicted of a crime, you know, then maybe your word wasn't worth anything. Okay,
that's obviously what they were trying to do. And well, gee, it was just a I mean, excuse me for saying it, but it was just a cya kind of move here to try and shut you down and shut you up. I mean, that's what it was. And they went even as far as as to make a complete farce of the trial, didn't they.
Yes, they did. I had two trials, as a matter of fact.
And the first trial, after the testimony had been generated and the jury began to deliberate, the judge called the jury out and gave them an additional instruction. He said, in my opinion, evidence shows that the defendant is guilty. Now, the judge that you can disagree with me if you want to now, but go back in and take into consideration the instruction that I just gave you, which was to find me guilty. Now, this prerogative that the judge
had used hadn't been used since the Magnicrtera. It had only been used one time since the Magnicota.
And this judge saw.
Wanted the jury to influence my jury to find me guilty, and.
That's what he used.
Now, you have to understand that there have been many criminal trials since my trial in nineteen sixty four.
We've had governors to go.
On trial, We've had senators on trial, we've had.
Mafia men on trial.
But no federal district judge has ever since that time told the jury that, in their opinion.
The defendant was guilty.
We've had multi murderers in state cases, but this prerogative of a judge was never used. Now, in the second trial, which ended on Art of the eleventh, nineteen sixty.
Four, the judge cleared the courtroom.
He put me in, my attorney, and all of the members of society who were not federal agents.
He put us out of the courtroom, locked the doors, put us all the way out of the.
Court buildings, chained down the doors, and the only people that were left in the courtroom was the judge and federal agents and the jury, and at that time the jury allegedly returned a verdicta guilty.
Of course, the files of.
The trial were missing for the next twenty five years.
We didn't find anything pertaining to.
That trial for twenty five years later, from nineteen sixty four until nineteen ninety five, the transcripts of the trial went missing.
That's just amazing. I mean, uh, to to put you know, to put the to put the public outside, to put your yourself, your lawyer outside the courtroom, I mean, I don't I don't even understand how they were able to get away with that.
Well, the Court of Appeals upheld.
They said that that the judge did not show any prejudice by given the jury, you know, telling the jury of his opinion.
Now, you know, prejudice doing that that time?
Uh.
I guess when the klansman would lynch blackdown in the South, you couldn't call them prejudice. They thought it was right. I mean, it's a cardener who's looking at it? But the card to the law, that was.
Clear judicial prejudice.
The judge acted, the jury acted, that's a part of the jury. And not only is that the same judge heard a second child of the same issue. He refused to refuse himself. So you can see how bad they had it in for me and my family. My family suffered dearly for that. My wife began to get deal and she passed away in two thousand and five. They sent me to Springfield Medical Center, which is a four tiered institution. They have there at the hospital, they also
have the psychiatric Division. They have a camp there and it's also a terminal point for transferring prisoners from the east West to east and west coast.
Now they put me in the camp.
There at Springfield Medical Center in Springfield, Missouri.
But on the July seventh.
Of nineteen sixty seventh, at about three o'clock in the morning, they came to mind bunk and to remove me from the camp.
Took me over secretly to two YDS, which was the.
Psychiatric Division, forced me to take medical drugs for no reason, for no reason whatsoever, They gave me mine, you know, COPD drug and tried to declare me insane.
So not only did they destroy your life and destroy your family's life, you know, by by imprisoning you, by making you a felon, but but then on top of it, they wind up forcibly drugging you, keeping you institutionalized, not not granting you your constitutional rights to a to a fair trial. All of this. I mean, do you think that this was mainly motivated by the information you had or do you think it was especially vicious because of your race?
Sir, Well, I think race played a big part in it, But I also know for a fact that the Kennedy matter also played a big role in it too, because they knew, as Inspector Inspector McCain told me when they brought me back to Chicago, you're not a team player.
Those were his exact words, and he says, we're not going to stand.
By and let you destroy all of our retirement and the work that we'll put in with the US Secret Service that was inspecting the McCain's.
Instruction to me.
And so it seemed to me that they were more interested in maintaining the authenticity of the Secret Service than they were with protecting the.
Life for the President of the United States.
And meanwhile, they had failed, they had absolutely failed on November twenty second, nineteen sixty and they had also you know, and again let's point out something here. It wasn't a matter of the individual. John F. Kennedy, that was their responsibility. It was to protect whomever occupied the office of the of the President of the United States. Okay, that's right.
That was duty.
That was exactly what your duty was. It wasn't about the individual necessarily, but it was about for the for the you know, on behalf of the American people. You were there to defend the life of the individual who was supposed to be their elected leader. Okay. I I find it so horrendous in my mind to think that this is what was done when all you were trying to do was to alert alert the authorities that were supposed to be you know, policing this, taking care of it,
making sure that the job was being done properly. You're trying to alert them to what's going on, and the investigative agency after the man is murdered, you know, I mean he was publicly executed in Dallas. I mean, bottom line, after that happens, there's allegedly investigating it, and all you're trying to do is offer them the information that listen. You know, the Secret Service failed here and this is why they failed, in my estimation, and you should look
into this, and maybe you didn't. You don't realize that there was other leads that weren't followed up. And it sounds to me like you were being a diligent and honest human being, trying to do his job despite the wave of things against you. And and then on top of it, they destroy your life, they destroy your your your name, you know, and ever after, I mean you were you were horrendously punished for trying to do what is right.
Yes, that's right. And then when I took the case back, I filed a writ of Abe's compass.
Here in Chicago and nine eighteen ninety five, and the judge ruled that the writ was denied because I could not show that my treatment had disadvantaged me in any way.
This is the way the judge put it, so you can see that they regarded my rights as nothing, but they didn't.
Really take away my life, sir, because this is my life. I'm still here.
I'm eighty years old. There have been a couple of agents who committed suicide.
Who were in the trial and lied in their testimony about me. By the way, spack And only admitted before the same judge that he lied that.
He and Frank Jones cooked up the whole case against me, and that the US government attorney Richard Sites prompted him to lie and gave.
Him the testimony and to testify false against me. Court. Of course, the United States Court of Appealed still upheld the.
Conviction, and the Supreme Court upheld it refused the grant SSSTI area, and I was sentenced to.
Six years in the penitentiary.
How much time did you actually serve and when did you get out?
I served three years in three months.
I got out on September the twenty fifth, over the nineteen sixty nine. Now, the reason they did that I was sentenced to six years. After four years on a six year sentence, I would have completed all of my obligations so far as a six year sentence which would be concerned while in custody. So what they did they waited until I had served three years and three months in.
The penitentiary, then gave me a parole.
So this extended the time that I would be under government jurisdiction for two and a half more years.
So I would have to report to a parole officer.
And go through the different signs and letting the government know where I walk and things like that.
But I wanted to tell American public this is that the greatest injustice about this whole thing happened to my family.
Whenever I would get a visit from an attorney or from someone who was trying to aid me, then something would happen here back here in Chicago.
Septin, boy, I'll tell you every time you mentioned government and torture, and you want to start describing the damage done to an American citizen. Okay, our friends, our friends over at those dot gov addresses that just happened to show up at certain websites at certain times, seem to
cause wonderful disturbances. So we want to talk about terrorist acts against an American citizen, which was what was going on with mister Bolden while he was locked up away from his family his house, having been actually shot at. I think that's what he was trying to say before he was so rudely interrupted. Okay, I wanted to get
across that point. Let him finish it, first of all, and then secondly, secondly, you know, there's a far more important purpose to this, not just to tell you about the echo from Dealey Plaza, which is the book where you can find all of the information we've discussed tonight, but a whole lot more about mister Bolden and his experiences. But also there is a campaign to exonerate him, to seek to have his record expunged, to ask for a pardon,
et cetera, et cetera. And as I said, I said before the show and during the show, this man not only deserves a parton but an apology from the United States government. Now I have mister Bolden back on the line, and I do want to allow him to finish the point about what was happening to his family when he had wound up discussing things with Mark Lane, and then all of a sudden your home was under attack, wasn't it, sir.
Yes, I tried. A bullet was fired into the bedroom.
My children are just missing, my young son. Also, when I had a visit from John.
Houseman while I was in.
Springfield, Missouri, my garage was set or fired. The whole house was set ablaze. And this was the lack of warning to me each time that I would try to reach out to the public while I was incarcerated.
Something that happened here.
My car windows were smashed, my wife went to work and she came out, somebody had smashed a call, and all of these things were just it was too much to be a coincident.
But I still was anciant to believe that that we.
Were being attacked, you know, as viciously as we were. It just I just couldn't understand it because this is America, and you know, I got a lot of respect for the country, and I was just hoping that there was no connection. But seems me that it will.
Well, yeah, absolutely, it's not a mere coincidence of every single time you seek to reach out for some sort of legal assistance, some sort of remedy to the I have no other word except in justice for which was visited upon you and also your family at this point, that that some act of well, let's be honest, this is what terrorism actually is, uh, the the attempt to terrorize your family, to silence you through fear. I mean, I have no better word except terrorism, And gee, who
else would have had that knowledge. I mean, look, we can sit here and speculate all day, but it doesn't really matter. It was a horrible situation for them to have to have endured, and as you said, it did also contribute to your wife's deteriorating health later and things like that. It must have been absolutely awful to have had to go through that, and I'm amazed that you don't feel as though some of your life was taken
from you. I gotta say it is an amazing act of forgiveness to even say that on your part, and something that I don't even think I am personally capable of, sir, But you do say that you know you have survived, that you have lived through it. You are still alive now and they have not taken your life from you.
And I commend you even for that sentiment. Now, moving forward, after you had finished your parole and everything else, when did the campaign to exonerate you begin, because that's the last thing I want to touch on with you.
Well, we began a campaign to take examerate approximately three years ago, and we grew.
Up a petition which is.
Can be located by contacting I think you have the address to the petition, don't you.
I have the address for several positions, and I'll be more than happy to provide them along with the show links tonight for the listener out there. And if I do, turn this into a YouTube video I will put it everywhere that this goes. Okay, to give you, guys, there's officially one at the white House dot gub website which is directed to President Obama, who has a departing president has the ability to grant pardons. Okay, they all do.
This is just a fact of the office. He could just with the of a pen, remedy this stain on your record. At least, he can't give you back the years that were taken from you. He can't give you back your wife's health, but he could give you back your dignity in a legal and public way by doing so.
And as I don't have a great deal of respect for President Obama personally, this would certainly earn a great deal of respect from me and a great many other Americans who absolutely support the need for you to be exonerated and for your record to be expunged. Okay, sorry I went through that statement, but I felt as though I had to make it, sir.
I appreciate it very much, sir, And these.
Things I guarantee I will give you that. You can find it through white House dot gov. Okay, you can find there's actually a Facebook group devoted to it. It is all over the place, and I have actually signed a couple of them because there has been well there's been a couple of physical petitions which have been circulated. This effort has been going on for the past few years,
and I think is long long overdue. And I know we got interrupted here and everything, and I know that I've overran the amount of time that you wanted to spend here tonight, and I do apologize for that, but I do want to give you the opportunity to say whatever it is you wish here, and I'll just simply be quiet, and you know, whatever it is you'd like for the listener to take away from this interview, you know, in regard to your personal story, or in regard to
the system in general, whatever it is you want to speak on, sir, the floor is yours.
Well, I would just like to.
Tell American people that a tragic thing happened on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. We lost a great man and a great president. We also lost a symbol.
Of free.
We have seen the decline in the amount of freedom since the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Now we have seen this country move from a positive to a negative atmosphere. Is my sincere hope that.
The American people will someday received the truth and that they're files of.
The assassination of President John F. Kennedy be released to the public.
Thank you very much, and I do appreciate you, sir, and absolutely I am extremely grateful that you took this time with us tonight, and I am sorry again for the interruption and the overrun of time, but extremely privileged I feel to have had you on this show. And one of these days I also wish to conduct a private interview with you, which will not sound like this
because of won't be for the listener. It would be to get at certain details and and and hopefully I'll be able to arrange that with you and make some time because for my own personal research I would like to get your account of certain things. So anyway, Abraham Bolden, is there a is there anywhere that you would like to be reached by any listeners who are interested in assisting with your your exoneration or questions or anything else. And obviously, as I said before, the book is the
Echo from Daley Plaza. Uh. It's easily found on Amazon and various other booksellers unless you have a particular place you'd like people to go buy it or anything like that, you know, please go ahead and tell the people.
They can reach me at a dot Bolden at sbcglobal dot net and that that's my email address.
And if anyone want to.
Autograph copy of the book, just write me at that email address.
And I will tell you how that you.
Can get an autograph soft copy of the book, and the price is fifteen dollars plus five dollars mail in charge.
Then yes, sir, and I do appreciate your time once again, sir, and I hope that actually we can do this again and maybe get through a couple of more details about your story, because it is absolutely amazing and remarkable that you still maintain your character through all of this, regardless of what was done to you. And I really do salute you, and I do not feel bad at all about saying that you were very much like Jackie Robinson
was to baseball. This is what Abraham Bolden is to the Secret Service and to law enforcement, and in fact, to be honest with you, an even more honorable man in my eyes than many of the other individuals who are, you know, quite pivotal figures in in what is well in what is currently deemed as African American history, and uh and definitely one of the least recognized. And I do believe it is time for you to be recognized and exonerated as well. So, mister President, let's get on it. Anyway,
Thank you, mister Bolden very much, sir. So this is the story, and you know, I still have a time here on the air to discuss it, and mister Bolden is going to is going to probably hang up now.
But you know, this is one of the stories that emerged for me as a researcher, as someone who actually, you know, not only just cared about the assassination or the details of the assassination, the sort of necessary conclude usion that one needs to reach about it, that it wasn't simply this lone nut who by happen stance pulled off some interesting act of well marksmanship, etc. Okay on
November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. All right, but it is also one of these points in history that needs to be examined fully. I mean, Abraham Bolden's story is unique in that it does tell us a great deal about the history of this country regarding race, relations regarding you know, some of these assertions that have been made many, many years later by other Secret Service agents who did
not treat this man kindly. And I'll tell you what, if he had a little more time, I believe me, I would have gotten into some of the commentary that was issued, you know, during the time that the Kennedy detail book tour had gone on, okay, around this country
a couple of years ago. And exactly how revolting I found that entire situation, because in my estimation, the individuals that were involved in that revival in that need to extol no blame upon the agency which was charged with protecting the life of the president on that day, kind of in a way, blaming the president himself for his own assassination. While Dan pull got himself killed because he wouldn't let us stand on the back of the limo or whatever else because he wanted to be seen by
the people. And maybe it was him who asked for the top to be removed, and oh, lots of other speculations and wonderful stuff. And meanwhile, the only guy who actually visibly did his job on that day was Clint Hill. And well, there's a lot more to that story too. Anyway, Guys, if you want to join in on the conversation, things did not go quite as planned tonight, but listen, I'm doing the best I can and it is live radio, so things do happen. But uh, the number is two
one eight three three nine eight five two five. If you want to join in on the conversation, if you have any sort of feedback you want to, uh, you know, expound upon here today regarding the story of Abraham Bolden. Uh, regarding how I conducted the interview. If you want to yell at me because I didn't let him talk enough
and we didn't get to everything, that's fine too. Whatever it is you want to say, two one eight three three nine eight five two five, And uh, if you are on my Skype list, you can send in text, okay, but I can't take calls. And uh gee. Another amazing instance though, where I see as soon as we bring up the malfeasance of a federal agency, all of a sudden, technical difficulties that never arise during any other time seem to just appear. Anyway, So back to the story of Abraham Boulden again.
You know it is.
It's an unfortunate and ugly thing to have to sit and discuss race issues in the way that we had to tonight. And you know, for some people, you're probably thinking, look, Chuck, you're being oversensitive, You're you're falling into the politically correct area. I'm not falling into politically correct areas. It's just that it's a different reality from what we're confronted with today.
It really is. Although when you do look at the conduct of individuals around the country, you know, and policing agencies and their behaviors toward well, let's see now, African Americans, non whites in America, it is it is notable that there is still a disparity. It is again notable that there is still a resonant problem regarding you know, look, look what happened in Baltimore, Look what happened in Ferguson.
And of course, I do recognize that there is the larger issue here of the police state, of the rising and ridiculous and out of control governmental agencies who have incrementally imploded our personal freedoms and have done nothing but you know, expand their own power over us, the citizens of this country. Right, I mean I recognize that as well, But to say that there is no disparity, to say that there is no treatment based on race in this
country is just intellectually dishonest. This still does occur, maybe not to the degree, maybe not with the blatant sort of well what can I say, brazen language that it used to occur, and whatever else, And maybe authorities don't turn their backs as easily on these types of behaviors as they once did. It does not mean that it is a completely irrelevant issue, Okay, And I know I'm going to get all kinds of nasty crap about that, but you know what reality is reality, and if you
don't want to face it, what can I say? I don't know why you're listening to me, because this is my goal is to try and unwrap the present that they've given us, which is the delusion of the country formerly known as the United States of America, right ah, currently occupied formerly United corporate states of what was allegedly America. Yeah, yeah, it's time to unwrap that present and get really into what's in the box. So this is what's going on.
I'm kind of surprised that I only had the callers in the first hour, and then of course network things going haywire. Nobody comes back in. But that's okay. In case you do want to though, two one eight three, three, nine eight five two five two one eight thirty three nine eight five two five, that is the number in case you want to engage in this conversation with me.
So again, moving forward with this entire story, there's a great deal more to it, and I do suggest that you read the article from Edwin Black which did explain about this this alleged hit team that winds up showing up. And this we're talking about is November two, right, so it's twenty days before for the assassination. This whole play goes on in Chicago, okay, and it is it has been you know, dubbed the Chicago plot in JFK research circles. If you go and look that up online, you'll find
that there's a great deal of information. You'll also find that there was other things that were touched that were not touched upon here regarding a guy named Thomas Arthur Valley or a Valet, depending on how you want to pronounce it. You know, coincidentally, another ex marine who has allegedly radical ties or or radical ideologies, and uh seems to have been easily framed into the well kooky kid who was misguided sort of framework that that Oswald ends
up being placed into much later. This guy was actually detained at one point by my individual in the Chicago Police Force there and kind of unlawfully as they had done many many times, and were called on the carpet for later. All Right, Valley is an interesting figure, but not necessarily pertinent to Abraham's story or mister Bolden's story. I should say the concept that that whole thing went
on in Miami. You know, I didn't want to argue with him too much, but I don't put a lot of stock into the mil Tier thing because he was quite the consummate khan Man who was looking to be an agitator, definitely someone who was against the concept of integration. Had a very hateful sort of spin about doctor King, and actually I did bring it up that he was literally raising money to have Martin Luther King Junior assassinated.
This is one of the many provable things that Joseph Miltier was involved in, and of course the tape recorded conversation took place between himself and an informant named Willie Somerset, I don't take into consideration very heavily the concept that Miltier was present in daily Plaza and all this other which I would categorize as mythology. Now, did he have
fore knowledge? It seems so, because it's eerily similar when the man says that it'll be done from a tall office building with a high powered rifle, which is exactly the scenario that emerges, you know, a few, well some weeks, a couple of months later, really regarding Kennedy's actual assassination details, although I do contend that, you know, the headshot to Kennedy certainly didn't emerge from the sixth floor of the
school book Depository building. Special note, by the way, Thomas Arthur Valley also worked in a building which was overlooking the planned parade route in Chicago, Okay, actually had possession of an old, beat up rifle and seemed to be exactly the kind of guy who was disenchanted with the United States and its policies and the president and so
on and so forth. And these are little tidbits that they don't like to tell you, because, after all, and according to my own personal research over time, not only was there a plot in Chicago, there was certainly a plot in a couple of different places in Florida, not necessarily the Milti Air plot either, but parade routes had to be changed, trips had to be canceled, and everything else because of legitimate suspicions that were investigated by the
Secret Service. Never really completely followed through on, but there was enough of a threat in order to change the planning of parade routes and travel routes and of course trips and things like this. So that occurred in those two cities, and I'm quite satisfied that there was also a possibility of a plot in Los Angeles. I've heard
many different stories. I mean, you know, if I took every single possible plot across the country, you know, there are some people that have never bumped into a conspiracy theory that they did not love and therefore confined you ten or fifteen plots. But when I'm telling you in all honesty, I can find solid evidence for three to four assassination scenarios in the months leading up to Kennedy's
assassination on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. So if you assume that I'm only half right, there is still duplicate plots with various aspects of their scenarios being similar, being nearly the same. In fact, like I said, ex marine in some cases, parade routes on office buildings, you know, with elevated positions really badly picked out roots and things like this, all kinds of stuff. And they did actually cancel the trip to Chicago that was being proposed for
November two. And there was a poor excuse that Kennedy had had a cold or some nonsense given to the press who was all lined up for his arrival there
in Chicago in advance of it. Okay, and in fact, one of the arrangements had been changed in Florida at one point where another similar type motorcade was supposed to commence, and believe it or not, they wound up flying him in, using like a helicopter or something like this to fly him into the location instead of driving him through a parade route through you know, some sort of shooting gallery
set up like we had in Daily Plaza. Well, they avoided that because information had leaked to individuals trying to do their job, albeit some of them not so well.
So there was enough of an alarm raised in other cities to cause travel plans to be changed, you know, in order to avoid the assassination, of course in Dallas, which was the known hostile city to the president and to well politicians in general, you know, even the the well the Ambassador to the United Nations Adelaie Stevenson, who had previously been a presidential candidate and was considered rather liberal, and it was definitely a high profile member of the
Kennedy administration, you know, as an advisor and also, as I said, the Ambassador to the UN for the United States had actually been accosted in Dallas, what only a few weeks before the assassination. It was pretty much a hotbed. There was a lot going on there, and they don't like it very much when you bring this up, you know, people talk about, well, gee, Dallas was sort of hung with the title of you know, being the city of hate, being the place where the president was killed, et cetera,
et cetera. You know, this was part of the reality as well. In the aftermath of the assassination. Of course, a completely botched police you know action je police action that's funny, you know, investigation by the DPD, which you know, resembled in my estimation like a Keystone Cops kind of event didn't help, and the National spotlight being what it was, and of course let's not forget that that was also the first day that the news truly went live twenty
four hours. So it is all these things that you need to place into context when looking at A. Rambolden's story. And you know, I've spoken about this before, and I haven't actually had the opportunity to interview mister Bolden about some of these details. There are a great many details I'd like to know about, but tonight's presentation was about
getting out the general story. And believe me, if I was conducting a private interview would sound nothing like what we attempted to do tonight, even though we were quite rudely interrupted. And once again I want to thank my listeners somewhere on the East Coast who do find it necessary to interfere every time that I bring up some sort of government agency of the United States having been
involved in torture or terrorism or something like that. Well, you know the implications of that are pretty nasty, I guess, and it's a good thing to knock me off the air and keep me off my game so that I don't keep exposing that. But yeah, that's not gonna work, Fellas,
It's just not gonna happen. I'm gonna keep at it, and I don't care if it's You know, I have had doctor Frank Gregory ford On here to discuss being the only intelligence operative in US history to ever be renditioned and survive, Abraham Bolden having been forcibly drugged, wrongfully convicted in a kangaroo court setting. You know, and believe me,
there's more to come. If you keep listening to the show, You're gonna find out that I've got a particular nasty sort of habit of needing to expose this type of disgusting behavior because, after all, it is being conducted under
the guise of defending all of us. Steve, don't forget that no matter what it is we're talking about, when the US government is acting, is doing these things, is participating in torture, incarceration, you know, the absolute theft of an individual's human rights in one way or another, All of that is being done in you the United States
citizen's name. Isn't that lovely? Well, So that's not going to stop, regardless of what happens interference wise, I don't care if the recordings disappear whatever, I'm going to keep talking about it and I'll keep revisiting these topics. So that's the way that's going to go. But I do thank my friends in Langley and elsewhere, you know, who are engaged in making sure that electronic interference is possible
in the strangest and most unique and innovative ways. I do want to thank you for continuing to listen because it means that I'm actually saying something of value. But anyway back to it, like I said, you know about mister Bolden's story, it's one of those things that just absolutely aggravates me and is necessary and notice as respectful and calm, and he's also like a man of faith.
And you know, I didn't even want to get into that tonight at all because we didn't have time really to examine him as an individual in quite the way that I wanted. You know, he's one of these guys that's very spiritual about it, doesn't want to sit here and hold a grudge. But still what's fair is fair and what's right is right when it comes to these things. It's pretty amazing in my estimation, I really don't know if I could do the same as he is doing. I don't know if I could walk the same walk
and have the attitude that he's had. Of course, he wants to alert you the people to the reality of the situation that he endured, but really it's so that the mistake is not repeated somehow. And in light of that, you know, what is highly, highly fascinating to me also is that, well, how shall I put this, It's not just to enlighten individuals as to the ugly history. It's not just to alert people as to the personal injustices
that he had to endure. But also notice the point that was slipped in there that he realizes that since that day, okay, since that day in Dallas, since that day that our alleged leader was publicly executed, since that day he does see the absolute incremental decline in the
personal freedoms of the people in this country. Makes you wonder, not at all why I constantly say that he was actually the last legitimate president that we had on our side, Although I almost want to make an exception for Jimmy Carter, because well, I think his hands were tied and that he really wanted to do a whole lot more than
he did. But you know, it's difficult to know with these guys, because almost none of them ever reached that higher echelon anymore, or at least post November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. They absolutely don't reach that higher echelon of politics without being corruptible and corrupt, it seems in one way or another. And maybe Carter was just quieter
about it, who knows. Course, not the last man to challenge the CIA, but the last man to challenge the CIA in any realistic fashion was Richard M. Nixon, And of course, as I've stated many many times on this program and others, you know, it was just simply too soon to put a bullet into another politician's head. So discrediting and destroying the man is what was done there.
And of course the wonderful multifaceted discussion about Watergate with Scott Kaiser will give you an idea of the possibilities there and that we did on what was it last Saturday? So thinking very deeply about I'm trying to reach for something here that I can't quite get to, the thinking about what's coming up. Usually I don't do this, but let's say, well, no, I don't have it in front of me. It really doesn't even matter at this point. I'll just finish out my time discussing what it is
that's on my mind. But even mister Bolden understands that, you know that incrementally these things have been you know, extinguished in one way or another, as the flames of liberty that we were supposed to understand were part of being born in this legend nation.
Right.
And I'll tell you why I find that so fascinating, because that's nothing new to anybody who listens to any program like mine at all. But I'll tell you why I find it fascinating is that this is a guy who was obviously, you know, oppressed at the time for the sake of his well the complexion of his skin, right, And that is not necessarily the largest concern any longer. It may not be the huge hurdle that it once was.
But even coming from that perspective, even looking from then to now, even he questions exactly how much freedom has been lost by all of the American people. What does
that telling you? I mean, really think about that. What does that explain if somebody who wasn't supposed to go get and you know what, he was being rather kind about the situation with with going and getting the job with Pinkerton and going and getting the job with the Secret Service, and didn't even tell you, even though he did relate to you about the news being hung over his desk and you know, particularly offensive illustrations of black people being passed to him, and lots of these comments
being made, and you know, discussing how he didn't belong there and this is who he was. And of course his supervisor, that one gave him quite a startle when his own supervisor decided to tell him that, you know, he was nothing more than a nigger and therefore would always be a nigger and etcetera, etcetera. I mean, all of that. Here's the funny part in he's not even telling you all of it, you know, I mean the complaints and concerns and not taking him along on the
road trips because he couldn't stay at hotels. It actually took the personal intervention of the President, which is kind of weird to sit and scold the head of the Secret Service more than once regarding these issues. And you know, none of the films, none of the interviews, and I don't even think his book probably fully does justice did
the amount of crap this guy went through. And I say, once again, with that perspective in hand, what does it tell you that this guy says that our freedoms are being eroded, that we have lost them over time, that they have done nothing but go downhill, That the entire country, the entire situation, has done nothing but go downhill ever since? Then? I mean, do I have to draw this correlation once again?
We can go back and say, well, you know, if JFK had lived, he would have finished extracting us from Vietnam and we would have a much different country today. And some people think that that's extremely idealistic. It's not the resonant effect that the Vietnam War had on And here I go. You know, it sounds like hyperbole, but
on the soul of this nation is immeasurable. You know, if you consider, okay, there was fifty eight thousand soldiers that died, but there was more than a million men returned back to this country mutilated in one way or another, whether it be physically, psychologically, or spiritually. Okay, And that's a fair estimate. That's not even probably the full true number, but I mean that's a fair estimate of how many men came back to this country. What do you think
happens when you have a damaged generation? Eventually they grow and the ones that didn't, you know, completely descend into some other place wherever after affected. I mean, where do you think you know, the fathers, the brothers, et cetera, et cetera, came from nineteen seventies onto now. And I'm definitely talking about my parents' generation for sure. I mean, I was born in nineteen seventy two, so I was born while the Vietnam War was still going on, but
obviously at the tail end of it. Well not not exactly the tail end, but pretty close. You know, generationally, the Vietnam War was barely a reality to me. But the fallout from it, I promise you, is something that affected my entire generation. You know, that generation they used to call X. Now they've gotten really ridiculous and trying to name people everything. Three years or so, I mean, what are we on now? The millennial post millennial Homeland generation.
I don't even know what to call these kids anymore. But you know, the generation X as it was, as it is was quite affected by this, and it wasn't just because of the loss of family values. How are you supposed to have family values when you have, you know, a dysfunctional cornerstone in each of those families affected in one way or another by the culture that rose up
from the Vietnam War. And I'm not even talking about the glorification of protests and things like that, which is largely a Hollywood creation, but it literally changed the atmosphere and the entire sentiment of the nation. I mean, there was definitely an illness in the psychology of this entire nation.
We collectively went through it, and then on top of it a little while later, maybe half a generation later, or maybe it was a full generation later, I'm not sure, but they actually coined the term the post Vietnam guilt syndrome. And this is why, you know, there's this later return to the over emphasis of embracing veterans now but not really see you notice there's always like a disingenuous sort
of fashion to these kinds of things. You know, we went to over embrace the veterans symbolically with the yellow ribbons, symbolically, with the magnets on the back of your car and all those other wonderful things that were most likely made in China in order to expound upon your own personal patriotism and support of the troops. And oh, I don't support the war, but I support the troops. But I support the war. But I support my politicians, but I
trust them. But they're keeping us safe, and we got to fight them over there, so we don't fight them over here. And all this nonsense, it all germinated in the soil, okay, in the dirt, in that which decayed and became the soil of the soul of this country.
And it's all post Vietnam. So even if there was half a chance that Kennedy would have followed through on National Security Action Memorandum number two sixty three and would have completed the withdrawal by the end of nineteen sixty five from Vietnam, you mean to tell me you can't recognize that this country would be a far different place on a local level. I don't mean on a national level. I don't mean in a geopolitical sense. I mean person to person. You don't think that that sort of echoed
from that time on? Consider it? That's all I'm saying. Who knows maybe I take this stuff too personally. Well, look, I've got about fifteen minutes left, and I'll tell you if anybody dares to step into, uh into my mind when I'm rambling all by myself two one eight three three nine eight five two five, I'll take anybody that calls in two one eight three three nine eight five two five. Do apologize for the technical issues and everything
else earlier. Sorry about that, guys. And uh, even if you want to drop in some sort of random comment on the Skype, I'll be glad to take that as well. Uh. Like I said, things did not turn out exactly as I planned tonight, uh all the way around. But I do think it was fascinating and I hope that you know, you were able to take something from Abraham Bolden's story. But I never work with a script. And uh, well, here's one of those instances where it's kind of a
detriment to me. What are you gonna do anyway? When I consider that after that period of post Vietnam guilt syndrome, right, and then we saw the amping up of the you know, nearly bloodless war, which was what the Persian Gulf the
first time around. You know, was an Operation Desert Shield then turning into Desert Storm, which gave you trading cards, trading cards people like Colon Powell and dear Lord you know, the other guy's name completely eludes me at this time, but there was another general It was supposedly instrumental in that very surgical what they called at the time almost
a Nintendo War. And of course those of you out there were a little younger might not understand that Nintendo was actually the game system at the time, and you know, it's simple sixteen bit graphics were well, you know, cutting edge at least for a home entertaining and purposes, and it seemed as though it was about as real as that. It was also the first time that the cable news
networks went over there and covered this stuff extensively. Even though we had allegedly live coverage of Vietnam in the sixties and in the seventies, we didn't have this intimate kind of thing. This is where people like you know that still exist today in that in that medium, like wolf Blitzer, got their start, et cetera, et cetera. Right, I do believe christ John i'm impoor probably emerged right around that time. I don't know a lot of these
news figures. They all become a blur to me. Wolf Blitzer is one of these guys though, that I do remember at one point being somewhere near Baghdad during bombings, or somewhere near Riod or God only knows. At this point it becomes a big scramble. But that gave us the almost guilt of free access into warfare, especially in Middle East. And once that resonated, well, gee, you know, the horror of war was almost forgotten. The post Vietnam
guilt syndrome gone. The idea that we had lost a war, believe it or not, that was a big, big issue among people. They talked about it all the time. Oh, we lost a war. We lost a war. Doesn't matter that we failed to achieve victory in Korea sometime before. That doesn't matter that It's kind of really hard to count who the true winners and losers were in what is allegedly World War two, what is allegedly World War One, what is allegedly the Spanish American War, what is allegedly
the Revolutionary War. Because I'll tell you it's one of the most interesting things to contemplate when you take a look at the actual influences over this country and over our financial system, and over our people, et cetera, et cetera. It is one of those things to consider sometimes, did we actually achieve victory reading the Revolutionary War in the first place. I know that sounds like a crazy, crazy
sort of idea too, doesn't it. But then again, if you would have told someone that, you know that we'd be having this type of discussion fifty years later about how people were being silenced and shut down regarding the
realities of the assassination in nineteen sixty three. You know, if you would have told somebody that in nineteen sixty five, sixty six, sixty seven, you know, before the deluge of individuals who were re examining and actually questioning the first official conclusion of the United States regarding that assassination, if you were to say it to those people back then, they might have said, there is no way that this
hasn't been resolved. It has already been resolved. And even if it even if there were questions remaining, I'm sure that you smart people will figure it out with your brand new technologies in only a couple of years. Anyway, Meanwhile, we're still applying brand new forensic techniques to the old shabby evidence, and we're still arguing about and discussing all
these things. So before I do get out of here once again, I want you to look up the campaign to exonerate or expunge the record of Abraham Bolden Boldn Abraham spelled just like you think it would be a br h am Abraham Bolden. The book is called The Echo from Daly Plaza. And I know I went off on kind of a strange little rant here, but what can I do? Yeah, I definitely suggest that you take a look at it. I also suggest you take a
look at well, let's see now. I think it's just known as the Chicago Plot article written by Edwin Black in the nineteen seventies for the Chicago Monthly because the unnamed source in that article who took lie detector tests when attesting to the investigation regarding this you know fire team that was imported into Chicago who had apparently been part of a gun running operation earlier on Well, you
know those guys that we mentioned tonight. Yeah, well you know Abraham Bolden was telling that story to investigative journalist Edwin Black way back then. And if you search on YouTube a little bit, you'll find videos about it. Actually on my channel, my YouTube channel, the blind JFKA Researcher channel, you'll find a news report from Chicago from some years back explaining about the Chicago plot and things like that, and how, gee, there may have been a very very
similar plot three weeks before. Tell us to what happened in Dallas. What does that say? Well, either you have multiple conspiracies all over the place that seemed to mirror one another, or it was a concerted effort where they just tried several plans and it just happened to come together real nice in Dallas. But anyway, wrongfully convicted Abraham Bolden.
If you check out the trial records, you know, and he was right to correct me that there was actually two trials, and one of them exactly as he described, as crazy as that sounds, putting himself as lawyer and the public outside of the courtroom, locking them out in
order so that he could instruct the jury. And then and then the very same judge who had made sure to render his opinion to the jury in the previous trial that mister Bolden was absolutely guilty and they needed to reconsider that very same guy locks everybody out like that and then in secret turns around and issues a verdict which is allegedly collected from the jury, et cetera, et cetera. Doesn't that sound quite unbelievable, Well believe it.
That's exactly what happened. And meanwhile, this guy wound up serving the time that he's talking about and being forcibly drugged and g isn't that what a lot of people are afraid of when it comes to trying to tell the truth? Isn't that what a lot of people are afraid of when it comes to speaking some ugly realities about this government? A lesson to be taken, And not just because the man is black or African American, which I found out he's more comfortable with that than being
called black. But not just because the man was is you know, of that particular ethnicity, But as an American citizen one to another, is this not something to consider that? You know, sometimes the people that attempt to tell you the most truth are the most punished. And as much as that as sickens us, as much as that seems like it is not part of the reality that what is you know, American what is supposed to be the conventional behavior of the American system is no longer intact.
As much as that may be revolting, repugnant and ridiculous to most of us, it is nevertheless the reality. So what else can be said? Not a whole lot. But I'll tell you what. Just before I do get out of here, I would like you to go and check out the blog site which I'm running. And I started work on a blog yesterday and couldn't get it finished because I lost power, internet everything for the majority of the day. And I did say a couple of days ago that I was going to get back to writing
on there. But if you go there, you'll see wrap ups of this show, links to the archives, links to a fr American Freedom Radio. All of that is over there at zen in the Car. Literally, that's what it is. Z E N I N T H e c A R dot com slash TE standing for the Ocelly Effect,
and exclusive content will be there available very soon. I've decided to take all the audio content, whether it's pre recorded or otherwise, and send it through American Freedom Radio, so you may occasionally see a special emerge on the archive page. The only one up there right now is
doctor Edwin Group. And in the first half of the show, and in the second half of the show, was another something else that happened in an impromptu nature where I was called upon to comment to people in Europe regarding American pology. And believe me, my ranting and raving on there was a whole lot more coherent than you heard tonight. But then again, you know, I was actually all worked up and not looking to simply focus on one story there.
I was quite already in the correct mindset to go up and down on everything from the general state of the American politic to the Donald and et cetera, et cetera. So if you want to hear what it's like when I'm just being asked questions as if I were a spokesperson for this country, Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
And in the first hour that, like I said, with Edwin Group from a global global health center, you know, he has a lot of interesting information and stuff you need to check out regarding, you know, taking back some of your health in a natural way and utilizing your own bodies natural self healing systems. So we cover a lot of different things here you know, politics, media assassinations, et cetera, et cetera. That is what it is like to deal with my brain on occasion, and that's why
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